Tony O'Connell of Atlantipedia writes that the Atlantic Sea is not in the Atlantic Ocean because the Atlantis Account doesn't say Atlantis was in the river Oceanus (which the Greeks thought surrounded the Old World). He thinks the Atlantic sea may have been the Western Mediterranean sea with the pillars of Hercules at Messina.

I would like to give a few comments on this.

Spanuth & Flem-Ath both thought that the Atlantis Account implies that Atlantis was in the "real ocean" (and not in the Mediterranean sea) (Timaeus 25a). (The Mediterranean being liked to a "lake" parallels modern geopolitical theory.) Spanuth said Scheria/Phaeacia was likewise in the ocean. The Sea Peoples came from "the isles and mainland of the outer circle of water".

Herodotus (between Solon and Plato) placed the Atlantic in the vicinity of the Atlantic Ocean.
"The oldest known mentions of an "Atlantic" sea come from Stesichorus around mid-6th century BC (Sch. A. R. 1. 211): Atlantikoi pelagei (English: 'the Atlantic sea'; etym. 'Sea of Atlantis') and in The Histories of Herodotus around 450 BC (Hdt. 1.202.4): Atlantis thalassa (English: 'Sea of Atlantis' or 'the Atlantis sea') where the name refers to "the sea beyond the pillars of Heracles" which is said to be part of the sea that surrounds all land."

The Atlantis Account says Atlantis was "at a distant point in the Atlantic", and "unmixed with other mortals", and "invaders", which must be more distant than the Western Mediterranean. The Pillars of Hercules were the most distant point of the known world, and the Greeks knew as far west as Gades, Atlas Mtns, Hesperides, Tartessos, Massalia.

Atlantis was large (see my chapter on Atlantis' size) and it is too large to fit in the Western Mediterranean.

Atlantis is supposed to have been near Gades (sw Spain) and the Pillars of Hercules, and the Atlanteans invaded upto Tyrrhenia (Italy). This doesn't really fit the Western Mediterranean scenario with the Pillars at Messina.

As to the quote from Aristotle that "outside the pillars of Heracles the sea is shallow owing to the mud, but calm, for it lies in a hollow", while it is true that this doesn't fit the Atlantic Ocean, neither does it fit the Western Mediterranean. (Aristotle is hardly as reliable as the Atlantis Account.)

I place Atlantis capital city at Tiahuanaco/Tiwanaku. The Atlantic Sea (pelagos/thalassa) might be Lake Titicaca (which was once an inland sea). One scholar gives an interesting translation "outside they came from the sea of Atlas", which they say means they "came outside". "Atlantis was inside the Pillars, Athens was outside the Pillars".

So my own conclusion is that there is no way the Atlantic Sea was the Western Mediterranean. The large island of Atlantis was in the Atlantic Ocean (South America), but the Atlantic Sea may have been lake Titicaca.

[108d] and encouragement, and in addition to the gods you mentioned I must call upon all the rest and especially upon Mnemosyne.1 For practically all the most important part of our speech depends upon this goddess; for if I can sufficiently remember and report the tale once told by the priests and brought hither by Solon, I am wellnigh convinced that I shall appear to the present audience to have fulfilled my task adequately. This, then, I must at once proceed to do, and procrastinate no longer.
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[109e] to their descendants, concerning the mighty deeds and the laws of their predecessors they had no knowledge, save for some invariably obscure reports
Compare to:

https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Manetho/Introduction*.html
"Heliopolitan priest, Manetho (to quote from Laqueur, Pauly-Wissowa-Kroll, R.‑E. XIV., 1061) "was, without doubt, acquainted with  p. xii the sacred tree in the great Hall of Hêliopolis, — the tree on which the goddess Seshat, the Lady of Letters, the Mistress of the Library, wrote down with her own hand the names and deeds of the rulers.​11 He did nothing more than communicate to the Greek world what the goddess had noted down.​12 But he did so with a full sense of the superiority which relied on the sacred records of the Egyptians in opposition to Herodotus whom he was contradicting" (Fr. 43, § 73: Fr. 88). His native town, Sebennytus, was visited as a place of learning by Solon when Ethêmôn was a priest in residence there (see Proclus in Plat. Tim. I.101, 22, Diehl); and the Greek culture of the place must have been a formative influence upon Manetho at an early age. "

Some AI images of Atlantis. Truly impressive but NOT Atlantis. The only useful image for my book would be the Hall of Mirrors. But please forget the mermaid nonsense.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94gsjB2tFKc

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I don't immediately see any connection with Gaza disappearing into the sea, unless it is that the tunnels are being flooded. - leon elshout

Gaza was once a Philistine colony. Crete was incorrectly called a Minoan civilization by Sir Arthur Evans, after the mythical king Minos. In Gaza you had the Pentapolis of five cities: Gath, Gaza, Ekron, Ashdod and Ashkelon. These 5 cities resonated with the five twin kings of Atlantis. In at least 2 cities there was a Dagon temple where Dagon was the blueprint for Poseidon. The giant Goliath was a blueprint for King Atlas of Atlantis and for the coming Antichrist. Soon, when a false peace comes, we will see more of Atlantis emerging in Jerusalem and Babylon.

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Plato was a false teacher who was demonic possessed and invented the false doctrine of the Trinity. His goal was to confuse his readers, not to clear up things. Atlantis was the climax of confusion.

The Great Pyramid was another anomaly of confusion. According to some folks the Sphinx and Pyramids were tens of thousands years old and built by aliens. But according to the Bible, both were built in 1470 BC or 1500 before the stoning of Stephan.

Two books:

- Joel W. Hemphill: Glory to God in the Highest - on Plato's false teachings.
- Gary M. Matheny, Exodus - on the Great Pyramid and the Sphinx in Exodus 14:2.

Serapis, who NOT a husband of Ge(Io). They were demonic creatures. As Helen of Troy, Achilles, Agamemon were non-humans.

Don't let anyone throw sand in your eyes. 9,000 years before Plato there was no Athens or Atlantis or America. The eonian times are completely missing from your response. And Plato was a liar who invented the false doctrine of the Trinity, or adopted it from Egypt. He also lied that the Strait of Gibraltar was blocked by mud while the prophet Jonah tried to flee to England/Tarshish. The kings of Atlantis were not natural beings. The 9000 years before Plato was only invented to make the history of Athens impressive, entirely following the example of the Egyptian king lists. Now finally understand this: Atlantis did not exist in the distant past.

The case for Thutmose 3 as Atlas proceeds.  He did have at least 6 daughters (out of the 7 pleiades)
His wife Neferure has the same letters as Pleione - n-f-r vs p-r-n.
The first star chart of the Pleiades appears around his time with the death of Senenmut who was the vizier for his mom:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_ceiling_of_Senenmut%27s_Tomb