Here (below) are my evidences for outside Mediterranean (includes evidences on size larger than Mediterranean, others may seem unrelated but i have commented how/why relates to inside or outside Mediterranean). The English translations may not all be correct. I am finding high respect for your translations, though it is a real issue in having to see what the new translations really mean. However, nothing changes the stark matches/evidences with Tiahuanaco/America, just alters the details/worldview a little bit. I not longer say inside/outside pillars here now, but inside/outside Mediterranean.
"great deluge of all / greatest of all destructions by water" Timaeus 23d
[This indicates a very great catastrophe not just one the size of Sicily/Mediterranean.]
"under the face of heaven" Tim 23d
[just included as perhaps indicating whole World scale/extent view not just local/regional?]
"great/mighty power" Tim 25a
[Even if people claim this is just their empire/sphere it still indicates a city/island large enough to control so large.]
"against the whole of Europe & Asia" Tim 25a
[Maybe indicates Atlantis not Europe or Asia. May also indicate Atlantis parallel with Libya/Africa.]
"from its base in the Atlantic / this power came forth out of the Atlantic ocean" / "outside they came from the sea of Atlas" / ["in a distant point in the Atlantic ocean"?] Tim 25a
[1. If we go by the usual translations (Atlantis outside, Athens inside) : This better fits beyond Gibraltar, doesn't as/very well fit West Mediterranean.
2. See below on Nikas translation.
The pelagos/sea of Atlas could be either west Mediterranean, Caribbean, (South) Atlantic, and/or *Titicaca*. Pelagos was also used in panpelagos.
"Distant" means not too near/close?]
"in front of / opposite the straits which you call Pillars of Hercules" Tim 25a
[The (facing/front/opposite the) mouth/entrance/straits/pillars better fits Gibraltar/Gades/Tartessos than Messena.
There were 12 pillars of Hercules. There were pillars of Hercules/Melkarth at Gibraltar/Gades/Tartessos/Huelva. The pillars were there from at least time of Herodotus. Hercules had 2 sons Iber and Celtus.]
"larger than Libya &/or Asia together/combined" Tim 25a
[Too large for inside W Mediterranean / Malta.
Some say it is "between" not "larger than" but majority of translations/interpretations agree with larger than. Herodotus said Europe was larger than Asia & Libya/Africa. Meropis was larger than Europe & Asia & Libya/Africa.
A few say "or" rather than "and", but is still large.
Some say this is just empire/sphere not Atlantis island, but other details of Atlantis account comfirm Atlantis was a large island. Plus is larger than what one small city/island can control.]
"... way to other islands, and from the islands...." Tim 25a
[Better fits outside Gibraltar than inside.]
"this sea which is within Pillars of Hercules is only a harbour having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea." Tim 25b
[In consideration with other parts of all the rest of the Account it is clear Atlantis was not inside the pillars & inner sea but was outside pillars in modern ocean. The enterance & sea better fits Gibraltar & Mediterranean than Sicily area & W Mediterranean ("then"). Geopolitics of Haushofer & MacKinder also says about small indentation seas.
The sea could alternatively/also be Titicaca.]
"on/in this/the island was a great & wonderful empire ... over the whole island" Tim 25b
[This surely implies large island rather than just a empire/sphere. "Whole island" would be meanlingless for only a small ca 22 km size island.]
"and besides these, they subjected the parts of Libya within the strait/Pillars of Hercules" Tim 25b
[The English translations clearly seem to imply Atlantis was outside and conquered inside. Of course people can play clever linguistic games to say how it could be within W Mediterranean, but surley the more simple/straight-forward is more sound.]
"vast power" Tim 25c
[Indicates a large world/regional/continental scale. This could be either/both large island and/or larger empire/sphere/zone. One small island/city can't control such large.
"to subdue ... and the whole of the land which is within the strait/straits" Tim 25c
[Again, the English translations clearly seem to imply Atlantis was outside and conquered inside. Of course people claim the straits was at Sicily, but the entrance and sea better fits Gibraltar & Mediterranean than Sicily & W Meidterranean.]
"among all mankind" Tim 25c
[Maybe indicates a whole world/continental scale/view??]
"invaders" Tim 25d
[One of the meanings of Kittim in bible is also "invaders, westerners". Surely invaders better fits invaders from Atlantic ocean/America/Western hemisphere invading Mediterranean/Old World, than fits just from W Mediterranean.]
"liberated all the others within the limits of Hercules" Tim 25d
[Again, the English translations seem to imply Atlantis was outside pillars/Mediterranean. Again, the limits/mouth/entrance and sea better fits Gibraltar and Mediterranean. The Greek world extended at least to Massila, South Italy. Some suggest Hercules &/or Odysseus visted Germania &/or Scotland. Again, Hercules had 2 sons Celtus & Iber. Hercules/Melkarth at Gades/Tartessos/Huelva. Hercules went as far as Hesperides / Atlas / Erythrea.]
"quakes of extraordinary violence" Tim 25d
[This indicates a world/regional/continental scale catastrophe, either/both continental shift &/or Earth crust displacement. (Such quakes evidences are found in Tiahuanaco/Peru/Andes.)]
"[vast] quantity of mud" Tim 25e (& Critias 109a).
[Sure there is alot of shoals near Malta, but my reading of the English versions of the Account suggest a vast quantity?]
"war ... between all who dwelt outside the Pillars of Herucles and those who dwelt within" Critias 108e
[1. If we go by the usual translations : Again the English versions imply Atlantis was outside and invaded inside. Again, pillars better fit Gibraltar/Gades/Huelva than Sicily.
2. If we accept Nikas' translation (Atlantis inside, Athens outside) which does seems convincing/convicting/right : Dis/proof based only on one or a few very disputible/uncertain/difficult things esp like "linguistics" arguments is fallible, I am sick of orthodox academic linguists who think they are so all-right and we are all-wrong asserting that their very uncertain linguistics overrules all the other quality and qauntity evidences. The liniguistics arguments can still fit our thesis, it is just difficult to see the correct answer/match (and linguists refuse to acknowledge that their asserted interpretation is still difficult/uncertain). People refuse to consider all our other evidences, some of which are far more stark/certain than their one/few difficult/uncertain linguistics arguments. Can you not see that even if Atlantis was "inside" and Athens was "outside"! that that is incredibly uncertain as any dis/proof? This can still fit our thesis/discovery/scenario better than Mediterranean/Malta. It still doesn't prove where the pillars were, and thus where outside and inside are (which ever way around). There were 12 Pillars of Hercules. We know that the Atlas world pillar/tree/moiuntain motif is found prominently in Peru. We know there were pillars at Ogygia/Calypso which might be Azores. We know Egyptian had world pillar at 9th/10th bow/arc. The Account says pillars near Gadeira [perhaps Gadeira ~ Kaptara "where pole star stands at zenith"??] Perhaps there were pillars at the ancient version of Panama? (The Atlas pillar motif is also found in Mexico and Easter island though not as prominiently. Ru "Atlas" in Polynesian.)
The pelagos/sea of Atlas could be either west Mediterranean, Caribbean, (South) Atlantic, and/or Titicaca.]
(See the Atlas [Hercules?] pillar rising from the 3 circles city in this Peruvian/Andean picture here:http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php?topic=33831.msg258213#msg258213http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33831.0;attach=281;image
"extent greater than Libya and/or Asia" Crit 109a
[This could just be empire/sphere rather than large island, but even so implies more than what one small city/island can control/project. Was Malta ever the centre of greater than Libya &/or Asia (as opposed to a part/colony of a greater power)?]
"from hence to the ocean/sea [beyond]" Crit 109a
[I think/feel this better fits Gibraltar and Mediterranean (or America/Atlantis and Pacific) than Sicily and W Mediterranean.]
"remaining in small islets" Crit 111c.
[Atlantis was not one, Malta may be?]
"gods ... distributed the whole earth .... Poseidon receiving for his lot Atlantis [Poseidonis]" (Crit 109b-109d, &) Crit 113c-113d.
[traditions say either the whole earth was divided into 3 large islands (Zeus/Jupiter/Ammon, Poseidonis/Atlantis, Hades/Pluto) & 7 small isls (Persephone/Properine), or else the Western sea/ocean had 3 large and 7 small islands. And, the Old World (Gaia?) maybe also was divided between the 3 (which means Poseidon/Atlantis was comparible size to the 3 parts of Old World?) The Atlantis account clearly says/implies Poseidon's Atlantis was large not just small.]
"a part/particular-district of it/the-island" Crit 113d
[Surely better fits a large island than a small one.]
"in/at the center of the (whole) island" Crit 113d
[More meaningful with a large island than a small one. Peru is roughly in north-south centre of S America.]
"fairest of all plains" Crit 113d
[I.e. this Plain was fairest of all plains in the world. How many / not many plains in the world match the size etc of the Atlantis one?]
"dividing the island of Atlantis into 10 portions/parts" Crit 114a
[The Enlgish clealy implies Atlantis island had 10 regions, not just that their empire/sphere did. This also matches the 9/10 arcs/bows of the world in Egyptian, and/or matches the 12 parts of Urani/Amenti/Tuat/Pet/Aaru. 10 horns beast in bible. 10 countries Mu. 10 kings Mayas. 10 kings [Azores or Canaries]. 10 curiae Rome.]
"his mothers home-district/dwelling & the surrounding allotment/land, which was the largest" Crit 114b
[Enlgish implies Atlas portion/province of the island of Atlantis was large.]
"gave them ... a large territory" Crit 114b
[Enlgish implies Atlantis island had 10 large provinces.]
"the whole island and the surrounding ocean" Crit 114b
[The "whole island" makes more sense with large island than small one. The surrounding ocean better fits Atlantic/Pacific than W Mediterranean.]
"the extremity/furthest-part of the island towards the pillars of Hercules, as-far-as/and-facing the country which is still/now called the region of Gades in that part of the world" Crit 114c
[English imlpies Atlantis had 10 large provinces/parts, with Gadeirus' one at extremity being nearest/towards/opposite/facing Pillars and Gades or Agadir. Atlas in farthest west North Africa is analogous/parallel/mirror to Andes in South America/Atlantis; Gades in s.w. Spain may be analogous to Central America? Strabo's sacred promonitory? Opposite/facing Gades/Tartessos/Huelva would be south-west. "In that part of the World better fits beyond Gibraltar than Sicily. Necho's fleet went from Gadeira to Ethiopia/India. (Necho same dynasty as Amasis 2). Tartessos was 700/"7000" years old. Pillars/Hercules better fit "Gibraltar" than Sicily as we have already said above. There is a Cadira in Venezuela; Cati/Cates in Azores?]
"divers/many-other islands in the open-sea/ocean;" Crit 114d
[Better fits Atlantic/Pacific than W Mediterranean.]
"and also ... in the other direction over the country within the pillars / on this side of the straits as far as Egypt and Tyrrhenia" Crit 114d
[English implies Atlantis was outside pillars/Mediterranean. Pillars/straits/mouth better fits "Gibraltar" and Mediterranean than Sicily and W Mediterranean. They invaded inside pillars/Mediterrean/Europe/Libya as far as Tyrrhenia and Libya or Egypt , which implies and better fits invaded from west of Italy/Libya/Malta and outside "Gibraltar". Some may have come indirectly via Caphtor/Heligoland? Ancient history atlas maps confirm all Western Mediterranean.
The translation "from next Libya to Egypt" and "from Europe to Tyrrhenia" if it is correct doesn't actually dis/prove anything because that reading can still be seen to fit with the traditional reading &/or with our thesis anyway.]
"both in city and country" Crit 114e
[English maybe implies Atlantis island not just empire/sphere?]
"many things where brought to them from foreign countries, & the island itself provided much" Crit 114e
[The island was large, it was pretty self-sufficient. "Foreign countries" may imply foreign to region? Many things may imply regional/continental/global scale.]
"a-number-of/many parts/localities of/in the island" Crit 115a
[English implies the island was large and had many parts.]
"every kind of animal tame and wild" Crit 115a
[Indicates a continent size island.]
"great number of elephants" Crit 115a
[Indicates a large size island/continent.]
"lakes & marshes/swamp & rivers, and ... mountains and on plains" Crit 115a
[The English versions imply it means a large island of Atlantis not just a sphere/empire.]
"in that land" Crit 115b?
[Maybe further indication refering to one island/land/landmass/continent?]
"all these that sacred island" Crit 115c
[English implies all been refering to one large island of Atlantis.]
"all the 10 portions/provinces" Crit 116d
[With other parts of all the rest of the Account it is clear Atlantis was large island with 10 large provinces. See above on 9/10 arcs/bows, 12 parts Amenti.]
"the foreign cities over which they held sway. Crit 117a
[This may be the empire/sphere but might also be other cities in the large island. Foregin might possibly be foreign to region? Indicates a very large empire/sphere; can one small island/city control all that?]
"the greatness of the kingdom" Crit 117b
"horses and cattle" Crit 117c
[Horses (and cattle) may imply a large island / landmass/continent/"new world"? Prehistoric Americas had horses.]
"the rest of the country. The whole country was described as being very lofty and precipitous on the side of the sea" Crit 118a-118b
["Rest of the country" implies a large island of Atlantis. "Whole country" in some places (though maybe not here) is more meaningful with a large island than a small one. "Very lofty" best fits a large island than a small one. (One the side of the sea matches South America / Peru / Andes. Not many places in the world fit this. Titicaca was an inland sea and is on the side too.) Side & sea doesn't as well fit Malta & W Mediterranean.]
"surrounding the city was a level plain , itself surrounded by mountains which descended towards the sea ... 3000 stadia ... from the sea through the center of the island 2000 stadia; the whole region of the island...." Crit 118b
[Such a large plain and such high/lofty mountains indicates a large island. "Center of the island" and "whole region of the island" better fits large island than small one. The sea better fits Pacific/Titicaca than Mediterranean.]
"It received the streams which came down from the mountains, & winding round the plain, & touching the city at various points, was there let of into the sea. From above... toward the sea ... wood from the mountains...." Crit 118d-118e
[See last comment just above on plain and mountains, and on the sea. "Various points" confirms same island/province.]
"the surrounding mountains celebrated for their number and size ... exceed all that are now to be seen anywhere; having in them also many wealthy inhabited villages, & rivers & lakes, & meadows supplying food enough for every animal, wild or tame...." Crit 118c.
[Such high/etc mountains (and many villages/rivers/lakes (and every animal)) implies a large island/landmass/continent. Not many places in the world have such mountains ((&) on sea side of island/continent). "Hermocrates" also pointed this out.]
"And of the inhabitants of the mountains and of the rest of the country there was also a vast multitude" Crit 119b
[Surely the English is correct in implying that the mountains and rest of the country and vast multiude are the same one island not the empire/sphere.]
"other 9 governments.... Each of the 10 kings, in his own division" Crit 119c & Crit 119d.
[The other references to the 10 kings/provinces imply Atlantis was large island with 10 large provinces, not just empire/spehere of 10.]
"in the middle of the island" Crit 119d
[More sense with a large island than a small one.]
"if any one city" Crit 120d
[Atlantis account implies Atlantis island had more than one city, not just the empire/sphere had more than one.]
"vast/extent-of power which the god settled in the lost island" Crit 120e
[The "in the lost island" seems to me to imply in a large island (and empire/sphere) of Atlantis, rather than a small island in a large empire/sphere.]
"Atlanteans were unmixed with other mortal stock" Crit 121.
[Indicates far/farthest west/south location like Peru.]
[Indicates sea/ocean/water location. Western hemisphere more water than eastern; southern more water than northern; south-west quadrant more than other quadrants.]
Sailors/fleet/ships. Crit 117/119.
[Best fits ocean/sea location.]
Climate. Crit 115, Crit 118.
[Not Mediterranean climate. Fits Peru climate (then).]
a "great river". Crit 118a?
[If translation is right, and if Atlantis island includes river not just the royal island, then fits large island not small island. Is also similar to the Amazon.]
Kirchir's spurious map.
[His "Atlantis" looks like one of the Americas closer closer to Old World than the other (i.e. one of the Americas between the other and the Old World). His Atlantis matches/resembles South America not North America. (South America is centred further east than North America.)]
"not far to the west of Europe ... memory of a larger island" Proclus.
"the external sea" - Proclus.
"... seven islands ... and three others of great size ... a thousand stadia in area...." Proclus.
Three large islands in the western sea/ocean (one is Poseidonis). - Proclus or another source i can't find.
[The English summaries of Proclus imply Atlantis was: outside, west of Europe, large/great island, not too far. At least one Classical source said Atlantis / 3 large islands in Western sea/ocean.]
"in the Atlantic sea, on the coast of Europe" - Marcellinus.
"a large island was swallowed up" Marcellinus.
[Marcellinus confirms Atlantis was: in Atlantic, on coast of Europe, a large island.]
"island equal in size to Libya or Asia" Tertullian.
[Tertullian confirms Atlantis was large size, an "island".]
"a remote land in the middle of the ocean" - Timagenes.
[Atlantis was remote, in (middle of) ocean, a land.]
"in the ocean" Dio Sic 3:56.
"at the ends of the earth", "remotest" Dio Sic 3:56.
Atlantis island was # days sail from coast of [west] Africa/'Libya'. - Diodorus Siculus.
Extremely good climate. - Dio Sic 5:9.
[Dio Sic confirms Atlantis was off coast of [n.w.] Africa/'Libya', # days sail duration/distance. (Atlas/Africa parallel to Andes/SouthAmerica/Atlantis.)]
Atlantic, Pillars, Tartessos in Herodotus.
Atlas mountains are in farthest west North Africa.
Strabo's "sacred promonitory" of Spain.
The continent Maurigosima (& king Peiru-un) of Chinese?
[Peiru-un ~ Peru/Pirua (Atlantis)? King ~ Atlas? (Continent ~ large island?)]
The 2 continents/landmasses/islands Kusa & Pushkara, or Vishnukranta of Indian?
Tarshish (&/or) Kittim "invaders, westerners" - Genesis 10.
[The meanings of Tarshish &/or Kittim in bible certainly match Atlantis/Atlanteans/oreichalc & Americas, and match Heliolithic (which included Peru). Tartessos was after Moses. Caphtor(im) may be Heligoland.]
Co-caine and tobacco in new kingdom mummies.
South American fan palm in Assyrian depictions of Toakkari sea peoples.
The statue of man on horse pointing [?south-]west with word/name cati/cates "this way" (Quechua) in Azores.
Egyptian accounts of north 'sea peoples' say "from the ends of the world/earth", "great darkness", "9th bow/arc", "the isles and mainland of the outer circle of water".
Amenti/Urani/Aaru/Pet/Tuat "land of setting sun" seems to match Atlantis (- Egyptian).
Hrozny gave pictures/descriptions of Indus Valley seals etc with 2 steps/feet & a boat.
Scheria/Phaeacia was like Atlantis said to be "no contact with other people" (Od 6:205), uncommonly favourable climate & west wind (Od 7:119f), best "sailor folk" & fastest ships "that carry them across the far-flung seas of Poseidon"; "in the ocean" (Od 4:568, 5:275, 12:1); in the north; "at the end of the world", "remotest" (Od 6:23, 6:205, 6:280); a great river (Od 5:440f).