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Title: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on April 15, 2008, 01:36:08 am
My very first post at AR:

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Greetings, fellow Atlanteans. I am a college student working on a paper on Egypt and wonder if any of you could enlighten me about the emerald tablets. In the prose, of course, Thoth claims to be an Atlantean and that he ruled Egypt for some 16,000 years. In what year was this tablet first uncovered and do Egyptologists consider it an authentic source?
The Internet seems to be quite vague on such details. Thank you.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: HereForNow on April 15, 2008, 06:13:22 pm
I remember this one as well. Wow it's refreshing to see so many of the old topics.

Ian Nottingham has an extremely interesting insight that I feel is connected to this one.
http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,8730.msg76614.html#new



Connecting Egypt to Atlantis til now has been discussed but usually fell under the lines of Myths and stories.
Ian made the point that Atlantis was actually known to Egyptians before Greeks. Temple Of Neith
He then Asked, "shouldn't we be looking in Egypt?"

For me, this makes alot of sence considering............


All things aside It's nice to see you again Veronica. Some of these subjects that you all have been recovering are some of my favorites.


Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: HereForNow on April 15, 2008, 06:18:43 pm
The Emerald Tablet is one of the most revered documents in the Western World, and its Egyptian author, Hermes Trismegistus, has become synonymous with ancient wisdom. His tablet contains an extremely succinct summary of what Aldous Huxley dubbed the "Perennial Philosophy," a timeless science of soul that keeps popping up despite centuries of effort to suppress it. The basic idea is that there exists a divine or archetypal level of mind that determines physical reality, and individuals can access that realm through direct knowledge of God.

The teachings of Hermes -- the Hermetic tradition -- is one of the oldest spiritual traditions in the world, and while no direct evidence links the Emerald Tablet to Eastern religions, it shares uncanny similarities in concepts and terminology with Taoism, Hinduism, and Buddhism. In the West, the tablet found a home not only in the pagan tradition but also in all three of the orthodox Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), and many of the most heretical beliefs of the Gnostics are also openly expressed in it. Like the authors of the tablet, the Gnostics believed that direct knowledge of reality could be attained through psychological discipline and meditative exercises. They also shared a common view of the universe in which "All Is One," a pattern of creation and decay symbolized by the Ouroboros (the snake eating its own tail).

Without doubt, the Emerald Tablet was the inspiration behind many other esoteric traditions, including over 1,700 years of alchemy. Most medieval alchemists hung a copy of the tablet on their laboratory wall and constantly referred to the "secret formula" it contained. In fact, during the sixteenth century, Hermes Trismegistus was such a revered figure that there was a movement to have his teachings replace those of Aristotle in European schools.

Five hundred years later, the tablet's words are still held in the highest regard. "The Emerald Tablet is the cryptic epitome of the alchemical opus," noted Jungian analyst Dr. Edward Edinger, "a recipe for the second creation of the world." Ethnobotanist and consciousness guru Terence McKenna agrees, calling the tablet "a formula for a holographic matrix" that is mirrored in the human mind and offers mankind its only hope for future survival. "Whatever one chooses to believe about it," sums up John Matthews in The Western Way (Penguin 1997), "there is no getting away from the fact that the Emerald Tablet is one of the most profound and important documents to have come down to us. It has been said more than once that it contains the sum of all knowledge -- for those able to understand it."

However, there is one nagging problem with the Emerald Tablet: Nobody seems to know for sure where it came from, or who really wrote it.

Timeless Myths and Church Politics

Part of the problem trying to figure out the origins of the Emerald Tablet comes from the many legends that cloud its history. In one of the earliest of these fabled scenarios, Hermes was a son of Adam and wrote the tablet to show mankind how to redeem itself from his father's sins in the Garden of Eden. Jewish mystics identify the tablet's author with Seth, who was the second son of Adam. They credit him with writing the Emerald Tablet, which was taken aboard the ark by Noah. After the Flood, Noah supposedly hid the tablet in a cave near Hebron, where it was later discovered by Sarah, wife of Abraham. Another version describes Hermes giving the tablet to Miriam, daughter of Moses, for safekeeping. She allegedly put it in the Ark of the Covenant, where it remains to this day. Occult historians generally agree that the tablet was found in a secret chamber under the pyramid of Cheops around 1350 BC. Another interesting legend describes Hermes as a philosopher traveling in Ceylon in the fifth century BC. He found the Emerald Tablet hidden in a cave, and after studying it, learned how to "travel in both heaven and earth." This Hermes spent the rest of his life wandering throughout Asia and the Middle East teaching and healing. Oddly, the Hindu sacred book Mahanirvanatantra states that Hermes was the same person as Buddha, and each is referred to as the "Son of the Moon" in other Hindu religious texts.

Probably the only constant in all these legends is what the Emerald Tablet looked like. It is always described as a rectangular green plaque with bas-relief lettering in a strange alphabet similar to ancient Phoenician. It is made of emerald or green crystal, and the workmanship is exquisite. Caves, corpses, ancient Egypt, and secret wisdom are common themes in many of the stories.

The history of the tablet was further complicated when its alleged author became associated with the Corpus Hermeticum in the Middle Ages. The seventeen treatises of the Corpus expand on the principles of the Emerald Tablet and appear to be records of intimate conversations between Hermes and his disciples. For over three centuries, they were thought by the Catholic Church to be very ancient and held in the highest esteem. The church fathers believed the Corpus Hermeticum lent support to Christian doctrines, and the documents were required reading for European scholars. Images of Hermes adorned cathedrals all over Europe, and to this day, a giant fresco dominates the Borgia Apartments of the Vatican that shows Hermes, adorned with Hermetic symbols, walking in the company of Moses.

http://www.alchemylab.com/hyper_history.htm

A link that was at the time posted by Dawn.


Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Mario Dantas on April 21, 2008, 05:44:15 pm
http://members.tripod.com/obeliscos_egipcios/toth_en.htm


Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 04:56:28 pm
I remember this one as well. Wow it's refreshing to see so many of the old topics.

Ian Nottingham has an extremely interesting insight that I feel is connected to this one.
http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,8730.msg76614.html#new



Connecting Egypt to Atlantis til now has been discussed but usually fell under the lines of Myths and stories.
Ian made the point that Atlantis was actually known to Egyptians before Greeks. Temple Of Neith
He then Asked, "shouldn't we be looking in Egypt?"

For me, this makes alot of sence considering............


All things aside It's nice to see you again Veronica. Some of these subjects that you all have been recovering are some of my favorites.

Thanks Herefornow, it is good to "see" you again, too.  This was actually my first ever topic over at AR - both Dawn and I started out in the Egypt section before moving to Ancient Mysteries.

The Emerald Tablet, if authentic, would be proof positive of the original Egyptian gods heralding from Atlantis.  Thing is, I can't find any ofr the so-called "experts" to state that it is actually authentic.  Witness how skeptical Egyptologist Peter V is when he gets going in this discussion later.



Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 04:58:07 pm
http://members.tripod.com/obeliscos_egipcios/toth_en.htm

Thanks for the link, Mario.

The Prophecy of Toth


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Do you ignore, oh Asclepios, that Egypt is the image of the heavens and is the projection, here down, of the order that reigns in the celestial things?


Nevertheless, it is necessary that you know:


A time will come in which it will seem that the Egyptians in vain observed the cult of the Gods with as much mercy and that all the invocations will have been sterile and unheared.


The divinity will leave the Earth and return to the sky, leaving Egypt, its old one dwelled; then this earth sanctified by so many chapels and temples will see cover of tombs and deads.


This land, that was a spiritual teacher to all humankind, wich loved the Gods with such devotion, that They deigned to sojourn here on earth. This land will exceed all others in cruelty. The dead will far outnumber the living, and the survivors will known as Egyptians by their language alone, for in their actions they will be like men of another race.


!Oh Egypt, Egypt!


It will not be more of your religion than vague stories than the posterity no longer will believe and words recorded on the stone narrating your mercy.


Every sacred voice will be silenced. Darkness will be preferred to light. No eyes will raise to heaven. The pure will be thought insane and the impure will be honoured as wise. The madman will be believed brave, and the wicked esteemed as good. Knowledge of the immortal soul will be laughed at and denied.


For that reason I, Hermes Trismegisto, the first of men to attain All-Knowledge, have inscribed the secrets of the gods, in sacred symbols (hieroglyphcs) on these stone tablets, which I have concealed for a future world that may seek our sacred wisdom.

Hermes Trismegisto
 


Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 05:01:32 pm
And here is the tablet in all it's glory:

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Tablet I: The History of Thoth, The Atlantean

I, THOTH, the Atlantean, master of mysteries, keeper of records, mighty king, magician, living from generation to generation, being about to pass into the halls of Amenti, set down for the guidance of those that are to come after, these records of the mighty wisdom of Great Atlantis.

In the great city of KEOR on the island of UNDAL in a time far past, I began this incarnation. Not as the little men of the present age did the mighty ones of Atlantis live and die, but rather from aeon to aeon did they renew their life in the Halls of Amenti where the river of life flows eternally onward.

A hundred times ten have I descended the dark way that led into light, and as many times have I ascended from the darkness into the light my strength and power renewed.

Nor for a time I descend, and the men of KHEM (Khem is ancient Egypt) shall know me no more. But in a time yet unborn will I rise again, mighty and potent, requiring an accounting of those left behind me. Then beware, O men of KHEM, if ye have falsely betrayed my teaching, for I shall cast ye down from your high estate into the darkness of the caves from when ye came. Betray not my secrets to the men of the North or the men of the South lest my curse fall upon ye. Remember and heed my words, for surely will I return again and require of thee that which ye guard. Aye, even from beyond time and from beyond death will I return, rewarding or punishing as ye have requited your truest. Great were my people in the ancient days, great beyond the conception of the little people now around me; knowing the wisdom of old, seeking far within the heart of infinity knowledge that belonged to Earth’s youth. Wise were we with the wisdom of the Children of Light who dwelt among us. Strong were we with the power drawn from the eternal fire. And of all these, greatest among the children of men was my father, THOTME, keeper of the great temple, link between the Children of Light who dwelt within the temple and the races of men who inhabited the ten islands. Mouthpiece, after the Three, of the Dweller of UNAL, speaking to the Kings with the voice that must be obeyed.

Grew I there from a child into manhood, being taught by my father the elder mysteries, until in time there grew within the fire of wisdom, until it burst into a consuming flame. Naught desired I but the attainment of wisdom. Until on a great day the command came from the Dweller of the Temple that I be brought before him. Few there were among the children of men who had looked upon that mighty face and lived, for not as the sons of men are the Children of Light when they are not incarnate in a physical body.

Chosen was I from the sons of men, taught by the Dweller so that his purposes might be fulfilled, purposes yet unborn in the womb of time. Long ages I dwelt in the Temple, learning ever and yet ever more wisdom, until I, too, approached the light emitted from the great fire. Taught me he, the path to Amenti, the underworld where the great king sits upon his throne of might. Deep I bowed in homage before the Lords of Life and the Lords of Death, receiving as my gift the Key of Life. Free was I of the Halls of Amenti, bound not be death to the circle of life. Far to the stars I journeyed until space and time became as naught. Then having drunk deep of the cup of wisdom, I looked into the hearts of men and there found I greater mysteries and was glad. For only in the Search for Truth could my Soul be stilled and the flame within be quenched.

Down through the ages I lived, seeing those around me taste of the cup of death and return again in the light of life. Gradually from the Kingdoms of Atlantis passed waves of consciousness that had been one with me, only to be replaced by spawn of a lower star.

In obedience to the law, the word of the Master grew into flower. Downward into the darkness turned the thoughts of the Atlanteans, Until at last in his wrath arose from his AGWANTI, the Dweller, (this word has no English equivalent; it means a state of detachment) speaking The Word, calling the power. Deep in Earth’s heart, the sons of Amenti heard, and hearing, directing the changing of the flower of fire that burns eternally, changing and shifting, using the LOGOS, until that great fire changed its direction.

Over the world then broke the great waters, drowning and sinking, changing Earth’s balance until only the Temple of Light was left standing on the great mountain on UNDAL still rising out of the water; some there were who were living, saved from the rush of the fountains.

Called to me then the Master, saying: "Gather ye together my people. Take them by the arts ye have learned of far across the waters, until ye reach the land of the hairy barbarians, dwelling in caves of the desert. Follow there the plan that yet know of."

Gathered I then my people and entered the great ship of the Master. Upward we rose into the morning. Dark beneath us lay the Temple. Suddenly over it rose the waters. Vanished from Earth, until the time appointed, was the great Temple.

Fast we fled toward the sun of the morning, until beneath us lay the land of the children of KHEM. Raging, they came with cudgels and spears lifted in anger seeking to slay and utterly destroy the Sons of Atlantis, Then raised I my staff and directed a ray of vibration, striking them still in their tracks as fragments of stone of the mountain. Then spoke I to them in words calm and peaceful, telling them of the might of Atlantis, saying we were children of the Sun and its messengers. Cowed I them by my display of magic-science, until at my feet they groveled, when I released them.

Long dwelt we in the land of KHEM, long and yet long again. Until obeying the commands of the Master, who while sleeping yet lives eternally, I sent from me the Sons of Atlantis, sent them in many directions, that from the womb of time wisdom might rise again in her children.

Long time dwelt I in the land of KHEM, doing great works by the wisdom within me. Upward grew into the light of knowledge the children of KHEM, watered by the rains of my wisdom. Blasted I then a path to Amenti so that I might retain my powers, living from age to age a Sun of Atlantis, keeping the wisdom, preserving the records.

Great few the sons of KHEM, conquering the people around them, growing slowly upwards in Soul force. Now for a time I go from among them into the dark halls of Amenti, deep in the halls of the Earth, before the Lords of the powers, face to face once again with the Dweller.

Raised I high over the entrance, a doorway, a gateway leading down to Amenti. Few there would be with courage to dare it, few pass the portal to dark Amenti. Raised over the passage, I, a mighty pyramid, using the power that overcomes Earth force (gravity). Deep and yet deeper place I a force-house or chamber; from it carved I a circular passage reaching almost to the great summit. There in the apex, set I the crystal, sending the ray into the "Time-Space," drawing the force from out of the ether, concentrating upon the gateway to Amenti.

Other chambers I built and left vacant to all seeming, yet hidden within them are the keys to Amenti. He who in courage would dare the dark realms, let him be purified first by long fasting. Lie in the sarcophagus of stone in my chamber. Then reveal I to him the great mysteries. Soon shall he follow to where I shall meet him, even in the darkness of Earth shall I meet him, I, Thoth, Lord of Wisdom, meet him and hold him and dwell with him always.

Builded I the Great Pyramid, patterned after the pyramid of earth force, burning eternally so that it, too, might remain through the ages. In it, I builded my knowledge of "Magic-Science" so that I might be here when again I return from Amenti, Aye, while I sleep in the Halls of Amenti, my Soul roaming free will incarnate, dwell among men in this form or another. (Hermes, thrice-born.)

Emissary on Earth am I of the Dweller, fulfilling his commands so many might be lifted. Now return I to the halls of Amenti, leaving behind me some of my wisdom. Preserve ye and keep ye the command of the Dweller: Lift ever upwards your eyes toward the light. Surely in time, ye are one with the Master, surely by right ye are one with the Master, surely by right yet are one with the ALL.

No, I depart from ye. Know my commandments, keep them and be them, and I will be with you, helping and guiding you into the Light.

Now before me opens the portal. Go I down in the darkness of night.
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Spiritual/tablet_i_the_history_of_thoth.htm



Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 05:06:02 pm
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Ah, the Emerald Tablets. Two things: go to http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald.html for the full content with headings. I believe they were discovered in the 1920's and then buried away for some time while being studied, but I could be wrong. My next suggestion is to do a search in these forums for it as we've discussed this in the Atlantis thread several times. I'm sure you will find some enlightening material and arguements as to whether or not the tablets are authentic. Also, you can go to any "New Age" book store and buy a copy which will give you all the historical background accurately. Some of us here strongly believe it to be authentic, but mainstream Egyptologists will beg to differ, of course.
Egypt is my favorite and Tehuti guides my hand whenever I set it down on paper. Good luck with your paper and I'm sure you'll find much of what you're looking for on this site.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 05:07:28 pm
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There isn't even emerald in Egypt.
If it exists, its fake.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 05:08:58 pm
 
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Oh come now Peter!!
Help her with her paper!! you know you can...

I believe we have discussed this before on these forums, but don't know where.

anyone care to bring forth a link? (unless I was dreaming?)



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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 05:10:02 pm
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http://www.crystalinks.com/12pyrthoth.html
Interesting link above....
As for the emerald tablets, there is emerald in South America which also happens to have pyramids...........

Hope this helps, regaurds.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 05:10:41 pm
 
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Pyramids which in no way relate to the Egyptian pyramids.
The Emerald Tablet is a joke.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 05:32:16 pm
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I've always been under the impression that there has been lots of Emerald trinkets found in Egypt.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 05:33:10 pm
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 05:34:06 pm
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Peter,
it appears that you have no idea about what you are talking about, both with Emeralds in Egypt as well as the Tablets of Thoth. The tablets speak for themselves, if you do not or cannot understand them and their significance "spiritually" then that is one thing, being a spiritual midget is quite another.

Learn about emeralds and their fascinating history.
They have graced Crown Jewels and embellished the thrones of some of the oldest dynasties in history. As a symbol of wealth and power they are unsurpassed. With their sparkling green lustre they are considered to be more precious than diamonds. And, carat for carat, they are the most expensive gems in the world. They are emeralds, the most precious of all gems.

If you were fortunate enough to possess an emerald that would fit into the palm of your hand, it could, depending on itÕs quality, be worth over one million dollars. Why such a high price? A large part of the reason is that emeralds are rare gems. Emeralds are a type of beryl crystal. They are formed from a combination of the common elements aluminium and silicon with the rare element beryllium. Small amounts of trace elements, either chromium or vanadium, give the emerald its distinctive green tint.

The worldÕs source of emerald supplies has traditionally been Egypt. For thousands of years the famous Cleopatra mines, to be found some 440 miles southeast of Cairo, were worked by the Egyptians and then the Romans and the Turks. Working long hours under the blistering heat of the Sun, and the darkness, heat and dust of the underground mines must have been a real ordeal for those ancient laborers. Yet the mines were worked continually from about 330 B.C.E right through until 1237 C.E.

In ancient times emeralds held a real fascination for the people. In addition to their exquisite beauty, they were coveted for their supposed magical and healing powers. Emeralds were, in fact, considered to be a cure for many diseases. They were also believed to be able to heighten fertility and sexual desire in females. As a result of such claims, Emeralds were greatly sought after and a profitable trade was established between Egypt and nations as far away as India.

The Egyptian monopoly on the world supply of Emeralds lasted right up until the Sixteenth Century, C.E. It was then that the Spanish Conquistadores arrived in South America. In 1558 the Spaniards located a mine at Muzo, near Columbia. There they discovered emeralds of breathtaking size and beauty. The Spaniards wasted no time in capitalizing on this find. They promptly seized the mine and enslaved the local population. These slaves were then forced to do the back breaking work of extracting the gems from the mine. Soon a vast supply of large, fine emeralds were being shipped to Europe. These jewels soon found their way into the hands of many of the ruling Empires around Europe and the Middle East. The Ottoman Turks, the Persian Shahs and even the royalty of India were featuring delicately sculpted emeralds as the showpieces of their jewel collections.

One of the ironies of the modern jewel trade is that the people who labor so hard to mine the gems are barely able to afford the food to keep themselves alive, yet alone to be able to buy an emerald. Not surprisingly, then, there is an overwhelming temptation for emerald workers to hide and smuggle gems out of the mines. This has led to an unprecedented level of security wherein security guards armed with machine guns monitor every move that the workers make. Despite this, however, there is a roaring trade in black market emerald smuggling. In fact, according to an article in National Geographic magazine, Ò Most emeralds move off the record, untaxed, unseen, buried in aw world market that the trade calls black. Almost every high quality emerald is smuggled at some time in itÕs history.Ó
http://ndnd.essortment.com/emeraldshistory_rlyh.htm


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 05:35:32 pm
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Absonite,
I would think that the spiritual midget is the one who judges another's level of spiritual development.

For one who has even the slightest grasp on Egyptian history, the so-called "tablet of thoth" is pure bunk. Inane garbage for the ignorant to whimsicly latch on to for purposes based in the emotional, rather than rational.

Nobody knows where Cleopatra got her emeralds, and considering that mine wasn't open during pharaonic times, my statement stands (I actually don't even think it is real emerald, just another type of stone commonly classified as such). The Egyptians had no use for emerald, or even marble for that matter. You will not find any artifacts, statues, or other antiquites made from emerald, or marble, during the pharaonic period.

There was no source of emerald for the Egyptians of the pharaonic period.

Cleopatra was not Egyptian, she was the last of the Greek rulers during the Ptolemic period.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 05:36:23 pm
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Peter, you wrote;
"I would think that the spiritual midget is the one who judges another's level of spiritual development."


Which you then follow up with.....

"For one who has even the slightest grasp on Egyptian history, the so-called "tablet of thoth" is pure bunk. Inane garbage for the ignorant to whimsicly latch on to for purposes based in the emotional, rather than rational. "


Like ah said befo' Peeta, .....spiritual midget.

Sorry, I don't mean to be offensive, and sometimes truth hurts..... for whatever reason when, it really shouldn't, except for possibly the blind and deaf or maybe the coward. Logic really has nothing to do with it.


So, Peter, what exactly is the inane, bunk part of the tablets. I think I read somewhere that they were last seen and last displayed by Alexander the so-called Great. If the material was not Emerald, what do you think it was made from? Do you know much about what is written ***about*** "Thoth" (in distinction to what was said was written ***by**** him)? Can you point out the whimisical and emotional in his so-called writings? What exactly are the "ignorant" latching onto in the myth of Thoth that you are not fooled by due to your faultless logic and apparent ly inate spiritual wisdom? Do you know of any idea or Ideal relating to the concept of the First Source and Center that surpasses the writings of Thoth, or do you just not deal with that at all?


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 05:44:40 pm
 
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Didn't mean to start an argument.
Peter, mightn't the emerald been imported? I understand that the Egyptians did trade with other cultures. Perhaps the emerald came from the Phoenicians..?

Thank you for your help, too, Cleasterwood, Absonite & HereForNow. I have other questions, though: even if the tablets were discovered in the 1920's, wasn't there an earlier version of them discovered back in the Middle Ages?

How old is the story of Thoth, the Atlantean anyway? Does it go back before the Middle Ages? I must admit I have only a sketchy knowledge of the Egyptian gods.

Sorry if I'm asking a lot of questions, but the Internet is sketchy on some of these details and, from what I've read, people here do know what they're talking about. You're all to be congratulated for how thorough some of your research is. Some of the details you cover here aren't even mentioned in textbooks. I'm very much in awe of the knowledge. It's all very cool.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 05:47:55 pm
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Why does "emerald" have to be the gem emerald which comes only in very small pieces, and not the color emerald, or more precisely; malachite, which can be cut in large slabs and is available in relative abundance in Africa. Zaire (The Republic of Congo, now) previously the Congo I think, is the source of the most spectacular malachite. Also Russia is another source of gorgeous malachite.
If Thoth was from Alt-land-is and from the line of the ruling Aser, then the statement:

"living from generation to generation, being about to pass into the halls of Amenti, set down for the guidance of those that are to come after, these records of the mighty wisdom of Great Atlantis"

possibly reflects the manner in which the name/title/position which each royal family member held would be passed to the next generation's Thor or Sybil or Maia as the former reached the age of "retirement" thereby each "god" living for aeons.

The Bock saga tells of how after the Ice-time, the royal sons and daughters, kings and queens, went out across the world with the immense knowledge of the Aser, and some went their own way and did not keep the old ways, and turned to dark methods of killing , slavery and war.

"Great were my people in the ancient days, great beyond the conception of the little people now around me; knowing the wisdom of old, seeking far within the heart of infinity knowledge that belonged to Earth’s youth. Wise were we with the wisdom of the Children of Light who dwelt among us. Strong were we with the power drawn from the eternal fire. And of all these, greatest among the children of men was my father, THOTME, keeper of the great temple, link between the Children of Light who dwelt within the temple and the races of men who inhabited the ten islands."


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 05:49:55 pm
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Hi Veronica,
It's nice that you arrived at Thoth in your travels.
As one once said, By their fruits shall you know them. Fruits of course are not the oranges and apples, but by their spiritual fruits. We all probably fall short of this ideal, but not so with Thoth. It is really meaningless to wonder whether or not they are written by Thoth, bunk or whimsy. What is important is the contents and do the contents reflect the flavor of God. and just as the flavor of God is represented to the highest, so also is the "flavor" of the Atlantis story.

As Rocky has quoted from Thoth,

""Great were my people in the ancient days, great beyond the conception of the little people now around me; knowing the wisdom of old, seeking far within the heart of infinity knowledge that belonged to Earth’s youth. Wise were we with the wisdom of the Children of Light who dwelt among us. Strong were we with the power drawn from the eternal fire. And of all these, greatest among the children of men was my father, THOTME, keeper of the great temple, link between the Children of Light who dwelt within the temple and the races of men who inhabited the ten islands."

The children of Light of course were the God knowing and God loving children of Adam & Eve in the first garden/atlantis. The ten islands most likely the area around cyprus during those long ago days when the best evolved were invited into the garden to mate with the ancient mythical "gods" the supermen & women of Atlantis.

Rocky,
from what I perceive, the wisdom of Thoth probably lies more along the lines of the true path and communication with God rather than any lines of descent, although perhaps the lines are there as well. This planet, since the Lucifer fiasco has been quite confused about the reality of God. That is why even today, many still are unsure. That is the legacy of Lucifer and the reason Jesus really came here. To reveal his Father to all mankind. We have made this into a religion about Jesus.

One interesting thing about this passage from Thoth you quoted is the reference to his father Thotme. The ME in ancient writings like Enlil Enki and Ninlil represents the ancient wisdom of the universe. The wisdom brought with Adam & Eve to earth. The ancient "gods" of eden/atlantis were the keepers of the ME, and of Thoth it is said......

He was the 'One who Made Calculations Concerning the Heavens, the Stars and the Earth', the 'Reckoner of Times and of Seasons', the one who 'Measured out the Heavens and Planned the Earth'. He was 'He who Balances', the 'God of the Equilibrium' and 'Master of the Balance'. 'The Lord of the Divine Body', 'Scribe of the Company of the Gods', the 'Voice of Ra', the 'Author of Every Work on Every Branch of Knowledge, Both Human and Divine', he who understood 'all that is hidden under the heavenly vault'. Thoth was not just a scribe and friend to the gods, but central to order - ma'at - both in Egypt and in the Duat. He was 'He who Reckons the Heavens, the Counter of the Stars and the Measurer of the Earth'.



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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: HereForNow on May 04, 2008, 07:45:37 pm
Wow, it's nice to see some of the old crew again.....

Now all we have to do is reunite Sammy, Franky and Dean...  :)

BTW How is Dawn doing Veronica?


Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 08:51:02 pm
Hi Herefornow,

Dawn is doing okay, she usually checks in every two days or so.  Such busy lives we all lead these days. Hope things are going fine for you.

Peace,

Veronica


Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 08:52:11 pm
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My comment had nothing to do with spiritual progress, it had to do with people attaching themselves to a theory emotionally, and letting over-ride their rationality and drive for honest, let me say that again, HONEST research.
As their reality is based SOLEY on rumour with no evidence backing up their historical authenticity whatsoever, anyone who believes in their existance is totally of that mindset.

I used to believe in them. I used to believe in Atlantis. Heck, I used to believe I had a past life in Atlantis and was a devout follower of Cayce, et al. I was honest enough to change my mind and disregard those beliefs when I came across contradictory evidence. That takes a lot of desire to find the truth, when you allow your belief system to be entirely transformed and switched around as the evidence comes in. And if new evidence came in, I would switch my belief system again.

No, they didn't import their emerald. There are no artifacts from pharaonic Egypt made from emerald. Faiance? Yes. I found a piece which may have been the earliest ever made in Egypt this summer while on a dig in Egypt. Turquoise? In abundance. Lapis Lazuli? Absolutely, they got this stuff from trade routes extending into Afghanistan. But no emerald.

I'm very familiar with what the ancient Egyptians themselves had to say about their god, Thoth. And it doesn't match anything in his supposed writings. Everything said to have been written by him, and everything you have quoted here thus far, could have been written by a 12 year old follower of Cayce's readings with a little embellishment to increase the fun factor thrown in.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 08:52:42 pm
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Peter,
We know you are a controversial theorist turned mainstream student. Although you have a great grasp of Egyptian 'mainstream' history, you really should return to your more controversial roots. I think you are just being silly in debunking hopes and aspirations of the students Thoth. Grasping at "it's a fake" and arguing your point does not become you nor does it help this young lady write her paper. We're all here because we believe in the controversial theories in one way or another, including you.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 08:53:15 pm
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Peter, I agree that the emerald tablets of Thoth are a figment of someones overactive imagination. However, contrary to your vast knowledge, an emerald mine did exist in ancient Egypt. Don't remember the location exactly, but it was in one hellish and hot area of the country (moreso than general egyptian conditions). I read about it in a book about Emeralds. I feel sure that if you check out your references you will find I'm right on this one.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 08:53:48 pm
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and Yes it was there during the time of the Pharoahs.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 08:54:30 pm
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Peter wrote:
"I used to believe in them. I used to believe in Atlantis. Heck, I used to believe I had a past life in Atlantis and was a devout follower of Cayce, et al. "

Wow Peter you were really wacked out, huh.

"I was honest enough to change my mind and disregard those beliefs when I came across contradictory evidence. That takes a lot of desire to find the truth, when you allow your belief system to be entirely transformed and switched around as the evidence comes in. "

and what makes you believe that your not just as wacked out now, just the flip side of the coin ...-overcompensation. Probably the key is balance and remember Thoth was the God of balance.

"And if new evidence came in, I would switch my belief system again."

You know something Peter, I believe you, Brig wrote something similar awhile ago, and yet, he still has no idea about spiritual reality. He is a fundamentalist X-tian and can't see beyond Paul's religion about Jesus into the higher spiritual reality of Jesus. It's understandable that you keep changing your belief system to conform to breaking news. A lot of people do that. Especially when you have a faulty belief system regarding reality, like Paul's, it is good to switch sides now and again. How long do you think it will be when you no longer have to switch your belief system of reality back and forth like a fart in a thunderstorm? Do you know of anything on this planet or elsewhere that can help you unify your belief system into a coherent reality which could possibly carry you through all the way to eternity? You could probably start with simple faith and move along to more enduring material, like truth. Thoth has that same ring of truth. I don't really know or care much about emeralds or what some person has coined for a phrase. The spiritual insight of the tablets, even if made of lead contains the real cosmic secret, even the Supreme. As far as the 12 year old goes, that is only a reflection of your own spiritual midgetness. If you keep up with this line of thinking, you will become smaller and smaller until you just aren't there anymore.


remember the bad witch from the east ...... I'm melting........ i'm melting.

And then Jesus went over to Philip, who, standing up, heard this message from his Master: "Philip, you have asked me many foolish questions, but I have done my utmost to answer every one, and now would I answer the last of such questionings which have arisen in your most honest but unspiritual mind. All the time I have been coming around toward you, have you been saying to yourself, `What shall I ever do if the Master goes away and leaves us alone in the world?' O, you of little faith! And yet you have almost as much as many of your brethren. You have been a good steward, Philip. You failed us only a few times, and one of those failures we utilized to manifest the Father's glory. Your office of stewardship is about over. You must soon more fully do the work you were called to do--the preaching of this gospel of the kingdom. Philip, you have always wanted to be shown, and very soon shall you see great things. Far better that you should have seen all this by faith, but since you were sincere even in your material sightedness, you will live to see my words fulfilled. And then, when you are blessed with spiritual vision, go forth to your work, dedicating your life to the cause of leading mankind to search for God and to seek eternal realities with the eye of spiritual faith and not with the eyes of the material mind. Remember, Philip, you have a great mission on earth, for the world is filled with those who look at life just as you have tended to. You have a great work to do, and when it is finished in faith, you shall come to me in my kingdom, and I will take great pleasure in showing you that which eye has not seen, ear heard, nor the mortal mind conceived. In the meantime, become as a little child in the kingdom of the spirit and permit me, as the spirit of the new teacher, to lead you forward in the spiritual kingdom. And in this way will I be able to do much for you which I was not able to accomplish when I sojourned with you as a mortal of the realm. And always remember, Philip, he who has seen me has seen the Father."

http://www.urantia.com/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper181.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper181.html&line=92#mfs


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 08:55:06 pm
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How many people here have professionally excavated in Egypt?
How many of you have formally studied Egyptology?

I'll wait for the "me".


Guys, seriously, grow up.


I bent you can't wait for the spring because you *know* you're gonna get chocolate.


Seriously, intelligent people are laughing at you.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 08:55:55 pm
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Peter,
Not everyone has the resources at hand that you do but it doesn't mean we are stupid or lack intelligence. Rest assured If I had a better time of life, I would have done all the things you have. Egypt is my passion and just because I haven't studied formally doesn't mean I lack knowledge. I've read enough text books and Egyptology books to know more than what you give me credit for. Just becuase I chose to take the path less traveled means nothing. I still love Egypt and one day I will go.
Obviously, you don't know everything either as Emeralds did exist in Ancient Egypt. As a matter of fact, here's a list of Emerald mines in Africa from http://www.preciousgemstones.com/gfsummertwo.html printed by Gemstone Forecaster.

WORLD GEMSTONE MINING REPORT
AFRICA
Madagascar- Recently, a new find of blue sapphire was discovered in Southern Madagascar. The crystals are similar to Kashmir, although the material is cloudy and zoned. Heat treatment is effective. Most of the production is small, but a few stones over several carats have been seen. [bold]Emerald[/bold] production has decreased considerably.

Ethiopia-Peridot has been discovered that is similar to Arizona peridot.

Somalia-Low-quality emerald has been found. The pieces weigh between 1/4 gram to 4 grams. The material is best for cabachons, and is medium to dark. [bold]The material is similar to and detectable like most African emeralds.[/bold]

Kenya-A new tsavorite mine has been discovered. However, the output is small.

Tanzania-A new low grade emerald mine was recently discovered in Manghola. Production is expected in 1995. Colored sapphire are also being mined; green, magenta, and red. Most of the goods are over 2 grams.

Zambia-The Kamakanga emerald mine has reopened after seven years of being closed. It is producing all grades. Other emerald mines have dramatically reduced production.

Mozambique-Large quantities of high-quality aquamarines are being produced. The quality is so good it does not need to be heated.

South Africa-A new emerald deposit is reported in Northern Transvaal. The material is commercial quality.

Namibia-Presently, a bright orange spessartine garnet, named "mandarin", is being produced. This mine was discovered in 1993.

Sierra Leone-Large quantities of low-quality ruby is being produced in this country. It is red-brown and opaque, suitable for beads or low quality cabochons.

Looks to me like there are plenty of Emeralds in Africa and well, Egypt IS IN AFRICA! It's not hard to add one and one to get two. Laugh at me all you want, I could care less!


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 08:56:32 pm
 
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Critical thinking. You guys need to use it.
Egypt did not have access to those mines in pharaonic times. If you have done the research you tell me you have, why don't you know this?

Its the same as proclaiming the Egyptians had access to diamonds because diamonds are found not far from Egypt. Uhh...so what?

Again, no emeralds in pharaonic Egypt. Try as you might, you won't find it. The emerald tablet is bunk.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 08:57:25 pm
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Just a shot in the dark here, but who says the emerald tablet had to be made of real emerald? I'm thinking "vitified green rock" of the type that has been seen often in Egypt. When they say "emerald" they don't mean a gem, they mean the color. Clear on that, Peter?
As for Egyptology being a science, well, that is a much beaten path down this forum. It's been my experience anyway, that Egyptologists leap to too many conclusions in the effort to explain everything away. It may be a science, but it is hardly an exact science.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 08:59:33 pm
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Psycho,
As I illustrated above.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:00:16 pm
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psycho,
i think you hit the emerald right on it's flaw. Green tablets will do just fine.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:00:58 pm
 
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So true, Rockessence & Absonite. Peter, we'll all be awaiting our apologies now.
Critical thinking. You really need to use it.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:02:15 pm
 
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Again Peter, I agree the Emerald tablets are bunk. But I still insist that somewhere in this cavern I have a book, in a serious vein, on Emeralds that specifically details an Egyptian mine. The quality of the crystals was low by todays standards but to what would these ancient miners compare them? I don't think you made any attempt to see for yourself. You're just so cocksure of yourself. Perhaps, if I get motivated, I'll take a couple of hours and see if I can find the book.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:02:50 pm
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Peter,
if Brig agrees with you it is a sure sign that you are wrong. He likes that I agree thingy as if it means something. Do you wonder who he voted for?


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:04:01 pm
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The point about the vitrified rock might be a valid one. Here is a quote from this http://www.alchemylab.com/hyper_history.htm website concerning a description of the tabletsL

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Probably the only constant in all these legends is what the Emerald Tablet looked like. It is always described as a rectangular green plaque with bas-relief lettering in a strange alphabet similar to ancient Phoenician. It is made of emerald or green crystal, and the workmanship is exquisite. Caves, corpses, ancient Egypt, and secret wisdom are common themes in many of the stories.
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Point being, it was probably made of vitrified rock or shale as opposed to an actual emerald. Concerning the date it was found:


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Occult historians generally agree that the tablet was found in a secret chamber under the pyramid of Cheops around 1350 BC. Another interesting legend describes Hermes as a philosopher traveling in Ceylon in the fifth century BC. He found the Emerald Tablet hidden in a cave, and after studying it, learned how to "travel in both heaven and earth." This Hermes spent the rest of his life wandering throughout Asia and the Middle East teaching and healing. Oddly, the Hindu sacred book Mahanirvanatantra states that Hermes was the same person as Buddha, and each is referred to as the "Son of the Moon" in other Hindu religious texts.
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Give the "occult historian" reference, the exact circumstances might be suspect. There was one last interesting passage on this page that I thought more useful:


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However, the question still remains: Who really wrote the Emerald Tablet and when? New evidence started to turn up in the late nineteenth century, when new discoveries about Egypt and the deciphering of hieroglyphics suggested that the principles exposed in the tablet go back at least 5,000 years. Some scholars suggested the date of origin for the Emerald Tablet to be around 3000 BC, when the Phoenicians settled on the Syrian coast. Phrases from the tablet, including references to the One Mind, the One Thing, and the correspondences between the Above and the Below, were discovered in many Egyptian papyrii, such as Papyrus of Ani and the Book of the Dead (1500 BC), the Berlin Papyrus (2000 BC), and other scrolls dating between 1000 and 300 BC. One early Hellenistic papyrus known as An Invocation to Hermes might refer directly to the Emerald Tablet and its author: "I know your names in the Egyptian tongue," it reads, "and your true name as it is written on the Holy Tablet in the holy place at Hermopolis, where you did have your birth."
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Hope that was of some help, Veronica, alchemylab is the most down to earth reference I have seen on the subject.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:09:00 pm
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I hate it when people think they know everything. Peter, I'm pretty sure the three ENCYCLOPEDIAS wouldn't lie, so here is your PROOF of emerald production in Ancient Egypt as far back as 2000 BC. Take this to the Critical thinking bank and ponder it! Seems like we're not the only ones who really need to use it.
1.In ancient Egypt, emeralds were mined close to the Red Sea. This tranquil green gem was highly prized by the wealthy and the priest craft. The high cost made it far beyond the average Egyptian's pocketbook.
It's said that Isis wore a green emerald—all who looked upon it were guaranteed a safe trip through the land of the dead.

2. The green form of beryl, emerald, is a precious stone, and has been valuable for a long time. .They were mined and worked in Upper Egypt for the second millennium BC until until 1370. Both India and Europe got all their emeralds from Egypt in ancient times.

3. ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITTANICA--The ancients appear to have obtained emeralds from Upper Egypt, where it is said to have been worked as early as 2000 BC.

4.Emeralds--in fact--date back to ancient Egypt and Pharaonic times. Indian sources of emeralds were--as were the Egyptian sources--of poor quality.

5. THE COLOMBIA ENCYCLOPEDIA-the green variety of beryl, of which aquamarine is the blue variety. Chemically, it is a beryllium-aluminum silicate whose color is due to small quantities of chromium compounds. The emerald was highly esteemed in antiquity; the stones were used for ornaments in early Egypt where some of the first emeralds were mined.
The first to mine emeralds, interesting.

6. Emeralds are the premier gems in the beryl family. For more than 4,000 years, emeralds have been among the most valuable of all jewels. In one of the rare cases where lore and fact coincide, emerald history really does begin in Egypt, where there actually was a "Cleopatra's Mine." Mining in the desert south of Cairo near the Aswan Dam began before 2000 B.C. and continued until about 1200 A.D. Although emeralds were extracted for 2000 years before Cleopatra was born, her use and love of gems led to her name being attached to the mine, an association that remains. Egypt supplied the known world with emeralds throughout the Biblical period and through the Middle Ages. But most of the stones, as you see in numerous examples in Fred Ward's book on emeralds, would barely be classified as gems today.

7. ENCYCLOPEDIA OF GEMSTONES- From the stone history: The ancients appear to have obtained emeralds from Upper Egypt, where it is said to have been worked as early as 2000 BC, during the life of Pharaoh Sesostris III.

I TRIED AND I FOUND IT! Wasn't too hard either all you have to do is type in Egypt Emeralds and poof.... a lode of sites pop right up 12,800 to be exact! I tend to believe the Encyclopedias more than I believe someone who didn't do their homework before opening mouth when they should have inserted foot instead. Geesh. Do you need any more proof?

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:10:00 pm
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And of course, the gem emerald is small, and tablets are large. Malachite makes beautiful slabs.
All this of course, does not prove the validity of the tablets themselves.

C.L.:
Surely you won't insist that something is true because it is published as fact in encyclopaedias?
Too many words have been sadly swallowed in the past decades.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:10:34 pm
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Can anyone find a single reference to an artifact coming from ancient Egypt made from actual emerald?
What evidence exists suggusting the tablet of thoth is a historical artifact?


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:13:53 pm
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Absonite, Peter and I only agree upon occassion. But you must be the only person in this forum who doesn't know that I voted for Bush. Now even you know. Uh oh, theres even been a couple of times that you and I have agreed. Scarey, isn't it? Peter, the emerald tablets are a myth; and from what I can find, a relatively recent myth; first surfacing just after WW2.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:14:59 pm
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How much steak is in the bible?
Learn to spell wag, it’s the tail of the uRantia "lavatory papers", these are sure to be trusted for this materials quality and value if you are given the adjusted thinking of one of ‘their’ group.

Flaming is the practice of posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting to a discussion board on the Internet, such messages are called flames.
A flame may have elements of a normal message, but is distinguished by its intent.
A flame is never intended to be constructive, to further clarify a discussion, or to persuade other people. The motive for flaming is never dialectic but rather social or psychological, flamers are attempting to assert their authority, or establish a position of superiority.

Occasionally, flamers merely wish to upset and offend other members of the forum, in which case they are trolls, this is an Internet slang term used to describe a person who makes posts on a forum that are solely intended to incite controversy or conflict, or cause annoyance or offence.
A post that is intended to incite controversy or cause offence is also called a troll.

To some, the term has negative connotations and is often applied as an insult, while simultaneously being claimed as a badge of honour by a troll, or troll organisations or gang a group of internet trolls, who associate together, share ideas and resources, and may act in a concerted manner. This is difficult, as trolls often object ideologically to organised structures and co-operation, and disapprove of agreeing with anyone.
Sincere but controversial or naive posters are often labelled as trolls, but the term, is generally considered to be correctly applied only to those looking to provoke outrage or discord.

A troll's reactions to being identified as a troll can vary widely depending on the forum in which the exchange takes place. Any person unjustly accused of being a troll may be hurt and express indignation. A troll will sometimes react with verbal abuse, raising the stakes with inflammatory remarks maligning the motivation of the accuser.

Trolling is often described as an online version of the breaching experiment where social psychology seeks to examine peoples' reactions to violations of commonly accepted social boundaries and rules of etiquette.


Now I am sure that you know I know you know this.
So consider this your first warning. 
Three strikes and you get spammed with immorality rings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming

Anyhow back to finding an emerald big enough to record the wisdom of what’s ’is name.



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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:16:17 pm
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Rock,
You are correct, I should not insist that encyclopedia entries are accurate. However, for the sake of this arguement, they are only because Gemologists agree and what do they have to lose? Nothing. Regardless of what the Emerald Tablets are made of, they are green or emerald in color.
Peter,
If there is one, I'll find it. Guaranteed. But let me ask you this, What evidence suggests they aren't a historical artifact? It works both ways? It's merely a matter of faith.

Via Mars,
To me the Bible isn't anything more than a male dominated historical recount of a group of people with some added content to make others in a barbaric era with little to do follow its 'laws' and find what they deem God to be, thereby finding spirituality. Next thing you know, we'll be arguing whether the Mahabarata and other ancient religious texts are fiction. I mean after all, they have UFO references in them, even the Bible. Most 'religious' texts do though.

John,
It is STAKE not steak. You need to buy a dictionary. Steak is meat and stake means 'put at risk or place a bet on'. Don't be a troll. Oh, and troll is also a fishing term as is trolling for dolphin. For someone speaking of flaming, you're doing a good job of it by calling people 'wags'. Don't point the finger if you resemble the remark.


Besides, this shouldn't be an arguement over whether they are real or fake or emeralds not existing in Egypt. Also, who says Thoth got the 'Emeralds' from Egypt? He does state after all that he is Thoth the Atlantean, not Thoth the Egyptian. Perhaps they were written in a different location. We should be analyzing the content to see if there is any 'enlightenment' which we can gain from it. Real or Fake, what does it matter? Not much really. What is most important is does its words hold value, are they merely jargon, or do they have a deeper meaning which will bring our souls closer to the creator?

<b>Just remember this: Every myth has a basis of some truth to it.</b>

Prime Example: Troy was thought to be myth until someone found it.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:17:31 pm
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Thanks cl., I stand corrected. Good point about Thoth being in this case an Atlantean.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:18:17 pm
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nice thinking.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:18:59 pm
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C.L.
As your prime example of a "myth having a basis of some truth to it" you refer to the place where Schliemann THOUGHT he found Troy. Maybe another mouthful of words to be eaten... All those revised encyclopaedias now having to be re-revised!!
I suggest they will be revised at some point to show Troy to have been in south-west Finland.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:19:58 pm
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John,
No problem dude and my apologies if I seemed harsh.
Absonite,
Wow! Thanks for the compliment.  ;D

Rock,
Still, my comments stands. Every myth has a basis of truth to it. And would you please explain yourself about the Troy in Finland? I've not heard this before and you've sparked some interest.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:22:33 pm
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http://www.archaeology.org/0205/abstracts/jpegs/emerald1.jpeg www.udel.edu/PR/UpDate/02/8/uncover.html
Search information about Eastern Desert Wadi Sikait mines. There was exchange of emeralds in Roman and Bizantine times but there are investigations in this moment at Gebel el-Asr. The investigation needs to keep on going but , please, for Christ's sake, don't ask Peter. He -maybe- will be an awful Egyptologist in near future but he doesn't know about many things. Why bother paying attention to him? Hmmm? HAHAHAHA!
Now, I'm not saying esmerald was found in ancient Egypt, in fact the theme doesn't matter too much for me, it's just so boring having to read whatever Peter posts!
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:24:06 pm
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CL,
quote "What is most important is does its words hold value, are they merely jargon, or do they have a deeper meaning which will bring our souls closer to the creator?"

This one thought of yours can become the actual center of your being which will transcend time and lead you to eternity.... safely, faithfully and securely. You could adopt this one thought, idea and ideal as your divine center and the entire meaning of your existence. I never really thought that I would see something like this from you. Funny how surprises and miracles sometimes come in the funniest wrappers.

My wife and myself just finished reading the following paper together. Your insight is littered throughout the paper in various forms all pointing to the validity of your observation as perhaps the highest the human mind may conceive.

http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper102.html


I hope you will sometime gain the experience of seeing it for yourself even simply to substantiate your own path or even as a place to begin from (not end with). The following paper is even better. It's great for someone who hates religion as you do yet still is able to recognize true spirituality, even partially.   :)


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:25:00 pm
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How does some of these threads get deleted?
It must have been those,ummm well I won't say I might get deleted....


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:25:41 pm
 
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righteo, this thread has been hijacked and gone downhill.
who deletes threads, you ask HFN?
the people who are HFN an' PFN about censorship issues.

the REAL question is: "Who STARTS interesting threads which attract an audience?"



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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:26:39 pm
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OK C.L.
You are in for a treat! This is the HOMER IN THE BALTIC thread on the ATLANTIS forum:
http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000927.html

This (above) is an introduction to a great big book, HOMERO NEL BALTICO, published in several languages but not yet in English. However, the author- Felice Vinci of Rome, has indicated that he is pleased to send a photo-copy in English of HOMER IN THE BALTIC to interested scholars. That is how I got it. I was blown away, totally engrossed and really pleased to "be a part" of Mr. Vinci's wonderful unfolding of this completely logical explanation of the reasons so much of Homer's works simply DO NOT FIT in the Mediterranean area.

He has presented his thesis in a few places in North America, including in Toronto, in Vancouver at Simon Fraser University, and somewhere in the US too, although I don't know where. You will find comments by various scholars on that thread , too.

Enjoy!!

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:27:58 pm
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Absonite,
Sometimes I surprise even myself. That is how I see all things. If looked at in that perspective, it always brings one closer to the infinite knowledge of the divine creator. I read the paper you referenced and so true are its words.
The one passage that really stood out for me was this one:
While personal religion precedes the evolution of human morals, it is regretfully recorded that institutional religion has invariably lagged behind the slowly changing mores of the human races. Organized religion has proved to be conservatively tardy. The prophets have usually led the people in religious development; the theologians have usually held them back. Religion, being a matter of inner or personal experience, can never develop very far in advance of the intellectual evolution of the races.
Believe it or not, that's how I've always seen organized religion!

Rock,
That's going to take some time to read, but I will post my thoughts in that thread after I finish it.

Now to begin the analysis of the Tablets of Thoth and get back onto subject. I will write my thoughts as to the meaning of Thoth's words in parenthesis.

Tablet I: The History of Thoth, The Atlantean

I, THOTH, the Atlantean, master of mysteries, keeper of records, mighty king, magician, living from generation to generation, being about to pass into the halls of Amenti, set down for the guidance of those that are to come after, these records of the mighty wisdom of Great Atlantis.

In the great city of KEOR on the island of UNDAL in a time far past, I began this incarnation. Not as the little men of the present age did the mighty ones of Atlantis live and die, but rather from aeon to aeon did they renew their life in the Halls of Amenti where the river of life (could be the Jewish Guf of Souls-not sure of my spelling there.) flows eternally onward.

A hundred times ten (1000 times)have I descended the dark way that led into light, and as many times have I ascended from the darkness into the light my strength and power renewed. (Not only must we pass thru death to attain enlightenment but we must pass thru life also until our souls have reached the point of acension.)

Nor for a time I descend, and the men of KHEM shall know me no more. (Egypt no longer really knows Tehuti, they are from what I understand mostly Muslim. I believe he does this to allow human nature to develop without divine intervention and see where religion takes his people.) But in a time yet unborn (now or very soon) will I rise again, mighty and potent, requiring an accounting of those left behind me. (He wants to know why we have forgotten his teachings and we must account for the wrongs done throughout time by men who claim to be speaking the words of God. I.E., holy war, inquisition, lost faith.) Then beware, O men of KHEM, if ye have falsely betrayed my teaching, for I shall cast ye down from your high estate into the darkness of the caves from when ye came. (This goes back to the wrongs done by man.)Betray not my secrets to the men of the North or the men of the South lest my curse fall upon ye. (To me this means, don't tell others outside of Khem about his secrets. Don't allow this-The Emerald Tablets of Thoth- to see the light of day or to be known by all. Maybe that's why it was found years ago but never released as public knowledge until recently.) Remember and heed my words, for surely will I return again and require of thee that which ye guard. (Rise again, just as Jesus said he would do.) Aye, even from beyond time and from beyond death will I return, rewarding or punishing as ye have requited your truest. Great were my people in the ancient days, great beyond the conception of the little people now around me; knowing the wisdom of old, seeking far within the heart of infinity knowledge that belonged to Earth’s youth. Wise were we with the wisdom of the Children of Light who dwelt among us. (He knew God and the sons of God/angels perhaps.) Strong were we with the power drawn from the eternal fire. And of all these, greatest among the children of men was my father, THOTME, keeper of the great temple,(God's right hand man) link between the Children of Light who dwelt within the temple (Heaven) and the races of men who inhabited the ten islands (Earth). Mouthpiece, after the Three, of the Dweller of UNAL, speaking to the Kings with the voice that must be obeyed.

Grew I there from a child into manhood, being taught by my father the elder mysteries, until in time there grew within the fire of wisdom, until it burst into a consuming flame. Naught desired I but the attainment of wisdom. (All he wanted was to gain wisdom from the Creator) Until on a great day the command came from the Dweller of the Temple that I be brought before him. Few there were among the children of men who had looked upon that mighty face and lived, for not as the sons of men are the Children of Light when they are not incarnate in a physical body. (These men are those who transcended spiritually from this human form to the infinite soul. They broke the barriers of this physical body because they chose to see the truth presented by the Creator.)

Chosen was I from the sons of men, (Thoth was mortal but transcended also to a higher level of existence.) taught by the Dweller so that his purposes might be fulfilled, purposes yet unborn in the womb of time. Long ages I dwelt in the Temple, learning ever and yet ever more wisdom, until I, too, approached the light emitted from the great fire. Taught me he, the path to Amenti, the underworld where the great king sits upon his throne of might. Deep I bowed in homage before the Lords of Life and the Lords of Death, receiving as my gift the Key of Life. Free was I of the Halls of Amenti, bound not be death to the circle of life. Far to the stars I journeyed until space and time became as naught(He came to a point where space and time don't exist-infinity). Then having drunk deep of the cup of wisdom, I looked into the hearts of men and there found I greater mysteries and was glad. For only in the Search for Truth could my Soul be stilled and the flame within be quenched.

Down through the ages I lived, seeing those around me taste of the cup of death and return again in the light of life. (We all reincarnated to learn what we must to ascend.)Gradually from the Kingdoms of Atlantis passed waves of consciousness that had been one with me, only to be replaced by spawn of a lower star.( Materialism)

In obedience to the law, the word of the Master grew into flower. Downward into the darkness turned the thoughts of the Atlanteans, Until at last in his wrath arose from his AGWANTI, the Dweller, (this word has no English equivalent; it means a state of detachment) speaking The Word, calling the power. Deep in Earth’s heart, the sons of Amenti heard, and hearing, directing the changing of the flower of fire that burns eternally, changing and shifting, using the LOGOS, until that great fire changed its direction.

Over the world then broke the great waters, drowning and sinking, changing Earth’s balance until only the Temple of Light was left standing on the great mountain on UNDAL still rising out of the water; some there were who were living, saved from the rush of the fountains.

Called to me then the Master, saying: "Gather ye together my people. Take them by the arts ye have learned of far across the waters, until ye reach the land of the hairy barbarians, dwelling in caves of the desert. (Neanderthal man in Egypt)Follow there the plan that yet know of."

Gathered I then my people and entered the great ship of the Master. Upward we rose into the morning. Dark beneath us lay the Temple. Suddenly over it rose the waters. Vanished from Earth, until the time appointed, was the great Temple. (This Temple will rise again so we may secure our spiritual selfs and gain knowledge of the divine once again.)

Fast we fled toward the sun of the morning, until beneath us lay the land of the children of KHEM. Raging, they came with cudgels and spears lifted in anger seeking to slay and utterly destroy the Sons of Atlantis. (These barbaric men feared the light emmenating from such divine beings and mostly those who don't understand something, even in this day and age, tend to want it destroyed.) Then raised I my staff and directed a ray of vibration, striking them still in their tracks as fragments of stone of the mountain. Then spoke I to them in words calm and peaceful, telling them of the might of Atlantis, saying we were children of the Sun and its messengers. Cowed I them by my display of magic-science, until at my feet they groveled, when I released them. (Science has only been lost, things discovered are simply rediscoveries we have forgotten.)

Long dwelt we in the land of KHEM, long and yet long again. Until obeying the commands of the Master, who while sleeping yet lives eternally, I sent from me the Sons of Atlantis, sent them in many directions, that from the womb of time wisdom might rise again in her children. (The Sons of Atlantis went into the world and created the great civilizations we speculate upon every day.)

Long time dwelt I in the land of KHEM, doing great works by the wisdom within me. Upward grew into the light of knowledge the children of KHEM, watered by the rains of my wisdom. Blasted I then a path to Amenti so that I might retain my powers, living from age to age a Sun of Atlantis, keeping the wisdom, preserving the records.

Great few the sons of KHEM, conquering the people around them, growing slowly upwards in Soul force. Now for a time I go from among them into the dark halls of Amenti, deep in the halls of the Earth, before the Lords of the powers, face to face once again with the Dweller. (He must report to the Creator as to how the souls are evolving and learning from his teachings.)

Raised I high over the entrance, a doorway, a gateway leading down to Amenti. Few there would be with courage to dare it, few pass the portal to dark Amenti. (Those who seek enlightenment will surely dare to descend the Halls to Amenti) Raised over the passage, I, a mighty pyramid(one yet unfound, I assume), using the power that overcomes Earth force (gravity). Deep and yet deeper place I a force-house or chamber; from it carved I a circular passage reaching almost to the great summit. There in the apex, set I the crystal, sending the ray into the "Time-Space," drawing the force from out of the ether, concentrating upon the gateway to Amenti. (This gateway will lead man thru the darkness and above Time and Space to reach the infinite.)

Other chambers I built and left vacant to all seeming, yet hidden within them are the keys to Amenti. (The Keys to Amenti remain hidden until those who are enlightened enough find them.) He who in courage would dare the dark realms, let him be purified first by long fasting. (Fast before entering to purfy yourself of evils harbored within) Lie in the sarcophagus of stone in my chamber. Then reveal I to him the great mysteries. (This is how we can attain the knowledge.) Soon shall he follow to where I shall meet him, even in the darkness of Earth shall I meet him, I, Thoth, Lord of Wisdom, meet him and hold him and dwell with him always. (Thoth will teach those who find him and will always remain with the spirit dwelling within the human exterior.)

Builded I the Great Pyramid, patterned after the pyramid of earth force, burning eternally so that it, too, might remain through the ages. In it, I builded my knowledge of "Magic-Science" (keys to magic still reside within the GP and an enlightened few can find them if they seek with the mind's eye.) so that I might be here when again I return from Amenti, Aye, while I sleep in the Halls of Amenti, my Soul roaming free will incarnate, dwell among men in this form or another. (Hermes, thrice-born.)(-Also I will add, Jesus, Buddha, and the enlightened masters.)

Emissary on Earth am I of the Dweller, fulfilling his commands so many might be lifted. Now return I to the halls of Amenti, leaving behind me some of my wisdom. Preserve ye and keep ye the command of the Dweller: Lift ever upwards your eyes toward the light. (Always seek a higher spiritual self) Surely in time, ye are one with the Master, surely by right ye are one with the Master, surely by right yet are one with the ALL.

No, I depart from ye. Know my commandments, keep them and be them, and I will be with you, helping and guiding you into the Light. (Follow and know the laws, maintain your spirit at the highest level, guide others into the light and he will be ever present with you even into the realm of Death.)

Now before me opens the portal. Go I down in the darkness of night.

Well, these are my thoughts on the first section. I will get to the others as time allows as my son is need of my servitude at this moment.  ;D


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:28:49 pm
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interesting interpretations. maybe not that far off, in context.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:29:49 pm
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People can delete there own posts by the way, and their own topic. don't get all paraniod.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:31:23 pm
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Thanks for all your replies, everyone. It would be nice if we could agree on some conclusion, though, as my paper is due next week and I still don't know exactly what to write.
A couple of points:

1. There seems to be some disagreement as to what the emerald tablet was made of, or if it was actually even emerald or not. Does that mean that it isn't currently in anyone'e possession so it can't be studied?

2. Peter mentioned that the Thoth in the tablet is nothing like the Thoth of Egyptian mythology. I have to admit to not being as familiar with Thoth as some of the rest of you here. Is this true or not?

Thanks for everyone's help, by the way, I am sure learning a lot, not just by reading this topic but by reading all the discussions here. You guys are definitely an enlightened group.



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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:33:12 pm
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Peter doesn't know the Toth of Egyptian myths nor the Toth of the Table....hehehehe!
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:34:28 pm
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Veronica,
Peter is a supporter of Mainstream Egyptology, anything controversial such as the Emerald Tablets he will surely say is a fake and has. We still love him but when it comes to controversial theory, he refutes it and comes up with arguements against it. His information is biased.
I don't think we'll ever all agree to one conclusion as different people have differing opinions on each subject. If you want to learn more about Thoth, go to the old Atlantis thread and click the Egyptian God link. You'll find some esoteric and mythological information on him posted by several of us who are trying to link Egyptian myth to the Atlantis story.

1. To answer your questions, yes it is in someone's possession and no others can't study it. We must rely on the information available on the internet ar if you want a hard copy of the Tablet, I suggest once again that you go to a New Age book store and purchase a copy as it gives the history of where it was found, who possesses it, etc. This type of paper seems to be something you must rely on your own interpretations and decide for yourself what is pertinent to your paper. Esoteric subjects are very difficult to write thesis papers on.

2. If you believe Mainstream Egyptology, then yes Peter could be right. If you believe controversial theory, then he is wrong. It's all how you look at it. No one can say for certain, not even Peter, as we weren't around when it was written and not many have studied it fully enough to really say for sure except the man who owns the Tablets. The debate over it's substance is irrelevant if you ask me as I tend to think when the word "emerald" is used, it is meant to describe color only not material.

Again, you really need to pick up the book from the store to make a truely informed decision.

Oscar,
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:35:49 pm
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Section 2--The Halls of Amenti
Deep in Earth's heart lie the Halls of Amenti, far 'neath the islands of sunken Atlantis, Halls of the Dead and halls of the living,bathed in the fire of the infinite ALL. (This entire paragraph seems to locate the All within the parameters of our planet. Basically saying, God resides everywhere.)

Far in a past time, lost in the space time,
the Children of Light looked down on the world. Seeing the children of men in their bondage, bound by the force that came from beyond. Knew they that only by freedom from bondage could man ever rise from the Earth to the Sun. (Meaning we can only rise above if we are free from our bonds of earthly incarnation, materialism, etc.)

Down they descended and created bodies,
taking the semblance of men as their own. (They walked among us as our own) The Masters of everything said after their forming: "We are they who were formed from the space-dust, partaking of life from the infinite ALL; living in the world as children of men, like and yet unlike the children of men." (Self explanatory.)

Then for a dwelling place, far 'neath the earth crust, blasted great spaces they by their power(almost sounds like a reference to Middle Earth from LOR), spaces apart from the children of men. Surrounded them by forces and power, shielded from harm they the Halls of the Dead.

Side by side then, placed they other spaces, filled them with Life and with Light from above. Builded they then the Halls of Amenti, that they might dwell eternally there,living with life to eternity's end. (Could be references to mythological creatures such as fairies, elves, etc. that are said to be eternal but unseen.)

Thirty and two were there of the children,
sons of Lights who had come among men,
seeking to free from the bondage of darkness those who were bound by the force from beyond. (I'm starting to think the force from beyond is not the infinite ALL but some other being.)

Deep in the Halls of Life grew a flower, flaming, expanding, driving backward the night. Placed in the centre, a ray of great potence, Life giving, Light giving, filling with power all who came near it. Placed they around it thrones, two and thirty,
places for each of the Children of Light,
placed so that they were bathed in the radiance, filled with the Life from the eternal Light.

There time after time placed they their first created bodies so that they might by filled with the Spirit of Life. (They don't need these bodies, yet they have them so they may inhabit them if needed at any time.) One hundred years out of each thousand must the Life-giving Light flame forth on their bodies. Quickening, wakening the Spirit of Life. (Seems to say that once every 100 years the Children of the Light are reincarnated into this world to teach and guide us further into the light.)

There in the circle from aeon to aeon,
sit the Great Masters, living a life not known among men. There in the Halls of Life they lie sleeping; free flows their Soul through the bodies of men. (Reinforces my previous statement.)

Time after time, while their bodies lie sleeping, incarnate they in the bodies of men. Teaching and guiding onward and upward, out of the darkness into the light.

There in the Hall of Life, filled with their wisdom, known not to the races of any, living forever 'neath the cold fire of life, sit the Children of Light. Times there are when they awaken, come from the depths to be lights among men, infinite they among finite men. (Somehow seems to say we are finite in all respects.)

He who by progress has grown from the darkness, lifted himself from the night into light, free is he made of the Halls of Amenti, free of the Flower of Light and of Life. Guided he then, by wisdom and knowledge, passes from men, to the Master of Life. (Seems to say we can break the finite and become infinite as we gain knowledge and wisdom in this life. We can rise above our creational state of existence.)

There he may dwell as one with the Masters,
free from the bonds of the darkness of night. (Free from temptation and evil.) Seated within the flower of radiance sit seven Lords from the Space-Times above us, helping and guiding through infinite Wisdom, the pathway through time of the children of men.

Mighty and strange, they, veiled with their power, silent, all-knowing, drawing the Life force, different yet one with the
children of men. Aye, different, and yet One with the Children of Light. (Three species of beings: us, the Children of Light, and the Masters.)

Custodians and watchers of the force of man's bondage, ready to loose when the light has been reached. First and most mighty, sits the Veiled Presence, Lord of Lords(God), the infinite Nine(ennead), over the other from each the Lords of the Cycles; Three, Four, Five, and Six, Seven, Eight, each with his mission, each with his powers, guiding, directing the destiny of man. (The Fate) There sit they, mighty and potent, free of all time and space.

Not of this world they, yet akin to it,
Elder Brothers they, of the children of men. Judging and weighing, they with their wisdom, watching the progress of Light among men.

There before them was I led by the Dweller,
watched him blend with ONE from above.

Then from HE came forth a voice saying:
"Great art thou, Thoth, among children of men. Free henceforth of the Halls of Amenti, Master of Life among children of men. Taste not of death except as thou will it, drink thou of Life to Eternity's end,
Henceforth forever is Life, thine for the taking. Henceforth is Death at the call of thy hand. (Thoth can come and go from this earthly life as he pleases and has gained immortality through his deeds. Not needing to learn more, but able to lead and teach those of us bound by this finite body.)

Dwell here or leave here when thou desireth, free is Amenti to the Sun of man.
Take thou up Life in what form thou desireth, Child of the Light that has grown among men. Choose thou thy work, for all should must labor, never be free from the pathway of Light. (He will always walk the path of Light and can never divert as it isn't his nature to do so.)

One step thou has gained on the long pathway upward, infinite now is the mountain of Light. Each step thou taketh but heightens the mountain; all of thy progress but lengthens the goal.

Approach ye ever the infinite Wisdom,
ever before thee recedes the goal.
Free are ye made now of the Halls of Amenti
to walk hand in hand with the Lords of the world, one in one purpose, working together, bring of Light to the children of men." (Guide the leaders of this world to help them make it a better place and bring the people of the planet closer to the Infinite. Work with these men to help enlighten all creatures of this world.)

Then from his throne came one of the Masters, taking my hand and leading me onward, through all the Halls of the deep hidden land. Led he me through the Halls of Amenti, showing the mysteries that are known not to man. (He is shown all that we can not comprehend as well as things yet unknown to us. This will aid him in bringing the Light to the Children of Man.)

Through the dark passage, downward he led me, into the Hall where site the dark Death. Vast as space lay the great Hall before me, walled by darkness but yet filled with Light. (Even within Darkness there is Light.)

Before me arose a great throne of darkness,
veiled on it seated a figure of night.
Darker than darkness sat the great figure,
dark with a darkness not of the night.
Before it then paused the Master, speaking
The Word that brings about Life, saying;
"Oh, master of darkness, guide of the way from Life unto Life, before thee I bring a Sun of the morning. Touch him not ever with the power of night. Call not his flame to the darkness of night. Know him, and see him, one of our brothers, lifted from darkness into the Light. Release thou his flame from its bondage, free let it flame through the darkness of night." (Death is instructed to never touch Thoth with his hand as he has become as the Masters who transcend death and darkness. He is an ascended Master.)

Raised then the hand of the figure, forth came a flame that grew clear and bright.
Rolled back swiftly the curtain of darkness, unveiled the Hall from the darkness of night.

Then grew in the great space before me,
flame after flame, from the veil of the night. Uncounted millions leaped they before me, some flaming forth as flowers of fire. Others there were that shed a dim radiance, flowing but faintly from out of the night. (The souls of man. Some who are bright and good, some who are borderline. Again seems to be a reference to the Guf of Souls. Suggesting our souls exist eternal but our bodies are finite but that we can rise above the finite of this body to keep the one that is pleasing to us IF we become enlightened enough to join the Masters.)

Some there were that faded swiftly; others that grew from a small spark of light.
Each surrounded by its dim veil of darkness, yet flaming with light that could never be quenched. Coming and going like fireflies in springtime, filled they with space with Light and with Life.

Then spoke a voice, mighty and solemn, saying: "These are lights that are souls among men, growing and fading, existing forever, changing yet living, through death into life. When they have bloomed into flower, reached the zenith of growth in their life, swiftly then send I my veil of darkness, shrouding and changing to new forms of life. (Once we learn all we can in this life we are changed into a new form or reborn so we may continue to learn in another. Although the lesson is different in each life, we retain its teachings in the hereafter.)

Steadily upward throughout the ages, growing, expanding into yet another flame,
lighting the darkness with yet greater power, quenched yet unquenched by the veil of the night.

So grows the soul of man ever upward,
quenched yet unquenched by the darkness of night.

I, Death, come, and yet I remain not, for life eternal exists in the ALL; only an obstacle, I in the pathway, quick to be conquered by the infinite light. "Awaken, O flame that burns ever inward, flame forth and conquer the veil of the night." (We can conquer death as we don't really die, just fade and become another form of the Light until we find the path we are meant to take.)

Then in the midst of the flames in the darkness grew there one that drove forth the night, flaming, expanding, ever brighter, until at last was nothing but Light.

Then spoke my guide, the voice of the master: See your own soul as it grows in the light, free now forever from the Lord of the night.

Forward he led me through many great spaces
filled with the mysteries of the Children of Light; mysteries that man may never yet know of until he, too, is a Sun of the Light. (When the word Sun is used, I think it means the Light is God and the Sun is the children.)

Backward then HE led me into the Light of the hall of the Light. Knelt I then before the great Masters, Lords of ALL from the cycles above.

Spoke HE then with words of great power saying: Thou hast been made free of the Halls of Amenti. Choose thou thy work among the children of men.

Then spoke I: O, great master, let me be a teacher of men, leading them onward and upward until they, too, are lights among men; freed from the veil of the night that surrounds them, flaming with light that shall shine among men." (He choses his path and because of his devotion to man, he wants to help us achieve the goal of the Creator.)

Spoke to me then the voice: Go, as yet will. So be it decreed. Master are ye of your destiny, free to take or reject at will. Take yet the power, take ye the wisdom. Shine as a light among the children of men.

Upward then, led me the Dweller. Dwelt I again among children of men, teaching and showing some of my wisdom; Sun of the Light, a fire among men.

Now again I tread the path downward,
seeking the light in the darkness of night.
Bold ye and keep ye, preserve my record,
guide shall it be to the children of men. (These tablets will guide us to our destined path, bringing us closer to the Creator through learning and expansion of the mind.)

Again, just my thoughts. Take them as you will.



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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:36:38 pm
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Thanks for all your help, Cleasterwood, I really like your writing, not only here, but in the other threads I've read that you have participated in. I love Egypt to my core, and it seems you feel that way, too.
I'm inclined to believe that the tablet is genuine, mainly because the information seems to correspond with the information from Egyptian mythology (even if archaeology might tell a different story). If Thoth plays a different role in the tablet than he does in the mythology, I certainly can't see it. And if you tell me that the tablet actually is in someone's keeping, I have to believe you (does anyone know who's keeping exactly?)

Still, it would be nice to hear the mainstream argument once again so that I could weigh the arguments to the contrary.

This is one of the few Egyptian documents where Atlantis is actually mentioned by name, is it not?


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:37:56 pm
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Veronica,
You're very welcome. My passion for Ancient Egypt has led me to read many mainstream, controversial, and esoteric texts but my study of Egyptian magic has brought me closer to the dieties as they want me to percieve them.
I too am inclined to believe the Tablet exists, however, I too am going on the writer/owner's words. The mainstream arguement is this: they don't exist or are fakes. All Mainstream students will say this. It is one of the few documents that mention Atlantis by name, yet I feel that the original name is different and Atlantis was substituted as a common thread for controversial theorists. It's hard to really say without actually seeing the Tablets themselves. As I've said earlier, what matters most is what can we learn from it?
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:38:34 pm
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I don't know whether I find it sad or comical that people put so much faith in an object never physically recorded, or even have access to for study. This has all the makings of a garbage idea produced to capture the minds of people who want to believe in something bigger than themselves and find history too boring.
Anyways, I have to get ready for class. Studying the real ancient Egyptians and all that.

Oscar, you have a peter fetish and need to seek help.



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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:39:05 pm
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Weeeelllll Veronica that all depends on your interpretation of "enlightened"  ;)
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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Peter,
So what if we are looking for something bigger than ourselves? Christians do it everyday. Just because the Bible is available to read, doesn't necessarily mean it is ALL Fact either. Do you have religious faith in anything? If you do, then you too are searching for something higher than yourself and it too could be filled with Garbage ideas produced to capture the mind.

And good for you that you have to go to school but it doesn't mean we don't study the REAL Egyptians as well. Not only do I study the REAL Egyptians I have an open mind that studies all faucets of them, even the controversial because hey, guess what Mainstreamists have been wrong before!

Brig,
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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wow brig. did you find an old proverb book laying about the shelves?
btw, peace. thanks for the service in your branch. it's not like it sounds proper to say "happy veteran's day!"

a day of reflection should have more of a somber tone. besides, we've got a lot of new veterans out there, due to current and not so current circumstances over there in no man's land.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:45:20 pm
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My respects to the veterans, too, it is so sad that anyone has to die in that war over in Iraq.
In regards to what we are speaking about, I think Peter is entitled to his opinon. I suppose if my major was Egyptology, I would become defensive about anything brought to the contrary of whatI had been taught, too.

However, I think, for a scientist, the most important thing is to have an open mind. How are we to open our eyes to new possibilities if we close our minds off to them from the start? If the Emerald Tablet is really as old as has been said, I think it would be an easy matter to test it in some fashion. Has it ever been tested?


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:46:29 pm
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Uh, Pete, I think you're confusing the Emerald Tablet with Egyptology. Egyptology never uses science to substantiate itself, only opinions. If all the Egyptologists are as narrow-minded as you, well, let's just say I rest my case!!
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You just keep on searching, Veronica..!


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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Peter, I don't understand this hostility you have towards the Emerald Tablet. You said it sounds like a forgery created to capture the imagination of people (like us), and yet you admit that it has never been examined by science. From where I stand then, there is no scientific basis to disqualify the tablet, only one based on preconception.
You mentioned that the role of the god Thoth in the tablet is nothing like his role in Egyptian mythology. Would you care to expand on this or am I to simply take your word for it..?



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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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First off, I would certainly like to thank everyone here who helped contribute ideas towards my paper. The project was submitted today, although I feel the end result was still a bit more mixed than I would have liked it to be. Thank you again everybody.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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Its been a while since I posted here, anybody miss me?  :)
I dont know how true any of this is, but there is some history attached to the Emerald Tablet and Alexander the Great a Greek who became pharaoh when he conquered Egypt in 332 BC... As pharaoh, he gained access to all the treasures of Egypt, including the whereabouts of Hermes Akhenaten's?) tomb. Convinced it was his destiny to reveal the ancient secrets, Alexander immediately headed across the Libyan desert to an ancient temple at Siwa near where the tomb was located. According to Albertus Magnus and others, that is where Alexander found the Emerald Tablet.

Alexander took the tablet and scrolls he found in the tomb to Heliopolis, where he placed the scrolls in the sacred archives and put the Emerald Tablet on public display. Construction of the city of Alexandria to house and study the Hermetic texts was begun immediately, and he assembled a panel of priests and scholars to prepare Greek translations. According to esoteric historian Manly P. Hall, the mysterious Emerald Tablet caused quite a stir. One traveler, who had seen it on display at Heliopolis, wrote: It is a precious stone, like an emerald, whereon these characters are represented in bas-relief, not engraved. It is esteemed above 2,000 years old.

When Alexander left Egypt, it has been suggested that he took the original tablet with him and hid it for safekeeping before going on to conquer Babylonia and India. Meanwhile, copies of the tablet became primary documents at Alexandria, and according to some reports, scholars issued revised Greek translations in 290 BC, 270 BC, and 50 BC. Several papyrii in the British Museum mention a canon of Egyptian teachings that included the writings of Hermes that was still in existence at the time of Clement of Alexandria (around 170 CE). Fortunately, before Alexandria's libraries were destroyed in successive burnings by the Romans, Christians, and Muslims, copies of the Emerald Tablet had made their way into Arabia and from there eventually reached Spain and Europe.

After Alexander died from a fever on his return from India, his body was interred in a tomb somewhere in the Egyptian desert, although to this day, no one knows where. Yet someone did discover the hiding place of the Emerald Tablet. It is said that a brilliant Syrian youth named Balinas found it hidden in a large cavern just outside his hometown of Tyana in Cappadocia. It was Balinas who absorbed the tablet’s teachings and once again brought them to light in the Western world. Respected for his great wisdom and magical powers, Apollonius traveled throughout the world and eventually settled in Alexandria.

There have been scores of books Apollonius wrote in Alexandria and all of the dozens of temples dedicated to him were destroyed by Christian zealots. Suposedly Appollonius
assure that the Emerald Tablet and its principles survived.

The earliest surviving translation of the Emerald Tablet is in an Arabic book known as the Book of Balinas the Wise on Causes, written around 650 AD and based on Apollonius Alexandrian writings. It also appears in the eighth century Kitab Sirr al Asar, an Arabian book of advice to kings. Another Arabic text, written by alchemist Jabir Hayyan around 800 AD, contains a copy of the Emerald Tablet and also gives Apollonius as the source. In all these texts, Apollonius describes finding the Emerald Tablet in the underground cavern in Tyana. He never claims credit for it, though he spent the rest of his life writing about it and demonstrating its principles to anyone who would listen...

But still it is a mystery! Just where it is knowbody knows???


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:49:34 pm
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I want references to your historical sources. There is no references to the emerald tablets of Thoth in any of my references for Alexander the great. If they were as important as you claim, there should be references to them that can actually be dated back further than World War one.
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That's just it Brig, I don't know the real validations of these claims either?!?!
Its been floating around that the Emerald Tablets have a connection with Alexander the Great, and you can also find these accusation all over the internet... But is there real proof to back this claim up, I just don't know? Some of the info I posted came from several web sites...

I'd like to know too... How does one confirm something like this???


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Perhaps by contacting the Manly Hall Archives in Los Angeles....The Philosophical Research Society
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<<Perhaps by contacting the Manly Hall Archives in Los Angeles....The Philosophical Research Society>>
That is precisely where I started. I did an internet search under Manly Hall/Emerald Tablets... This is one of the information sites that came up:
http://www.alchemylab.com/hyper_history.htm


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:52:00 pm
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If I've said it once, I've said it a million times. Every bit of myth is rooted in truth obscured by time. These claims are just that. I would be nice to get irrefutable proof though.
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Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:52:50 pm
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http://www.collectiblejewels.com/JewelTalk.html
They were worn by royalty in Babylon and Egypt. Tools dating back to 1300 B.C., during the reign of Rameses II, have been found in emerald mines in Egypt. Queen Cleopatra's emeralds were believed to originate from mines in Southern Egypt, near the Red Sea.

When the conquistadors first arrived in South America from Spain, they saw native rulers wearing emeralds. Large quantities of emeralds were taken from Peruvians during the invasion but the source of the emeralds were never discovered. Then in 1537, the Spaniards found Chivor in Colombia, now the location of an important emerald mine. They also took over the Muzo mine following the defeat of the Muzo Indians. Mining operations at Muzo have continued almost uninterrupted since the Spanish invasion. It is now perhaps the most famous emerald mine in Colombia and is said to produce the world's best emeralds.

There are many myths associated with the emerald. The stone was once believed to prevent epilepsy, stop bleeding, cure dysentery and fever, and protect the wearer from panic. Its magnificent green color was said to rest and relieve the eye. To the ancient Romans, emeralds were dedicated to the goddess Venus because it symbolized the reproductive forces of nature. Early Christians saw it as a symbol of the resurrection of Christ. In the Middle Ages, emeralds were believed to hold the power to foretell the future.

The Holy Grail Cup at the Cathedral in Genoa, Italy is said to be over 700 years old. Legend has it that it was taken from King Herod's banquet table by the Disciples to be used by Jesus at the Last Supper. In the twelfth century, Crusaders returning from the Holy Land brought the Grail to Genoa.

More on emeralds in Egypt.... http://www.viewzone.com/nasca3000.html

A thousand relics found in Egypt
A French-Egyptian archaeology team has retrieved more than 1000 artifacts, including statues and busts of pharaonic gods and goddesses, from the Mediterranean Sea floor off Egypt's northern coast of Alexandria, according to the Egyptian antiquities officials earlier this week. The 2003 Abu Qir Bay Department of Archeology Mission under the Supreme Council of Antiquities and the European Institute for Underwater Archeology unearthed artifacts during archaeological surveys which helped define the topography around the sanctuary site or the temple of Heracles. Dating back to the third and fifth centuries B.C. the finds reveal a cult that worshipped the ancient pharaonic deity Amon and his son Konshu in a bid to preserve the legitimacy of the Ptolemaic reign.
"The discovery includes tools and containers used in religious rituals," said Mohamed Abdel Maqsoud, a senior official in the Supreme Council of Antiquities. Quantities of ritual basins and cult offering objects laid on the sea floor on the channel situated north of the temple site. The French mission, led by Franck Goddio, has left for Paris, Abdel Maqsoud said, and its members could not immediately be reached for comment. An unexplainable find of emerald figures in this region seems to remain unexplained. http://www.thaigem.com/emerald.asp

Originally mined at Queen Cleopatra's Ancient Egyptian emerald mines, the "green fire" was so highly valued in the Middle Ages that Spanish Conquistadors embarked on notorious campaigns to find the location of South America's legendary emerald mines. With bright vivid green colors that are unmatched by any other gem, emerald, the birthstone for May, continues to be one of the world's most desirable gems. Learn More!

If anyone would like,I can produce even more evidence of emeralds bing found in Egypt.... http://www.liv.ac.uk/Archaeology_Classics/research/projects/sikait.html


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Pyramids which in no way relate to the Egyptian pyramids.
The Emerald Tablet is a joke.

I hope this doesn't hurt our friendship any Peter. In light of this evidence,I hope I was able to answer the question:Can anyone find a single reference to an artifact coming from ancient Egypt made from actual emerald?
What evidence exists suggusting the tablet of thoth is a historical artifact?



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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:53:39 pm
 
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C.L.
Have you had a chance to check out the HOMER IN THE BALTIC LINK yet?
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:54:19 pm
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Peter,
Why do you even bother?
"A scientist looks at facts and evidence. There is none of that here."
Science is based on speculation and conjecture that's never 100%. Nothing is concrete and science is NOT an exact science. It's all guess work. So why don't you wipe the cobwebs out of YOUR brain.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:55:39 pm
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the tables of thoth are no fake peter v
watch you say to acient atlantean soul
me,i now that grant master thoth
writen the tables to preserve his
wisdom and nollage.....
dont insult me peter v
you dont want to anger acient
atlantean soul.....


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:57:46 pm
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CAT & HereForNow,
I wish I would have seen some of this new information before I submitted my paper. I ask again, for curiosity's sake this time...does anyone know what actually happened to the Emerald Tablet, namely, where it now is, or if the only evidence around now of it happens to be copies? Thank you all again.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 09:58:46 pm
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This might help. It's a history of emeralds.
According to this site,
http://www.gemsuite.com/gemstones/emeralds/history_of_emeralds.html

The Papyrus Prisse says it is 4500 years old.


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"But good words are more difficult to find than the emerald, for it is by slaves that it is discovered among the rocks."
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According to this site,

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the passage was copied from a writing 1000 years earlier. The book was probably referring to the Egyptian Mines. The Cleopatra Mines were lost for a thousand years, only to be rediscovered in 1818. Today, Egypt is full of excavations and tunnels. The poor quality and small stone production explains the practical reason why the mines were originally abandoned.
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So, regardless, it does appear that emeralds did exist in Egypt at one time, but their quality was very poor, hence abandonment.
http://www.created-uniques.com/history/cleo.htm


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 04, 2008, 10:01:19 pm
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Hello,
Was there Emerald or was there not? That seems to be the question here for some. However, this question is irrelevant in respect to the Emerald Tablets of Thoth.

These RT have been published with an introduction. Part of this introduction reads as follows:

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Now, a word as to the material aspect of the tablets.

They consist of twelve tablets of emerald green, formed from a substance created through alchemical transmutation. They are imperishable, resistant to all elements and substances. In effect, the atomic and cellular structure is fixed, no change ever taking place. In this respect, they violate the material law of ionization.

Upon them are engraved characters in the ancient Atlantean language: characters which respond to attuned thought waves, releasing the associated mental vibration in the mind of the reader.

The tablets are fastened together with hoops of golden-colored alloy suspended from a rod of the same material. So much for the material appearance.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: HereForNow on May 07, 2008, 07:06:04 am
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: HereForNow on May 07, 2008, 07:12:12 am
http://altreligion.about.com/library/texts/bl_tablets14.htm


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Carolyn on May 23, 2008, 10:45:51 pm
The Emerald Tablet helps in one's own personal transformation.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:21:00 pm
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The impression I get is that they were most likley made of JADE.
The Egyptian Priests wore Jade pendants around their necks which was believed to have been imported from Punt.

One story has it that the Emerald Tablets found their way to S.America which some say were responsible for Mayan advancements. Apparently around 1937, if I recall correctly, they were returned to Egypt.

These Jade pendants should reflect a religous tradition carried over from Atlantean Priests which most likely was contributed to their arrival from Thoth somwhere around 12,000-10,000 bC.

I have a feeling that they're hidden somewhere around Thebes or the Island of Phla.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:21:37 pm
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I have seen beautiful nephrite jade from the area bordering Afghanistan and Pakistan, ranging in color from black to green to brown. Nothing though, that might be construed to be "emerald" or even "emerald green".
The same mountains (Hindu Kush I think)where the ancient lapis lazuli digs are.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:22:18 pm
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Thank you so much for continuing to add to this, everyone. The amount of knowledge everyone brings to these topics is both very impressive and very inspiring.
I would also like to take this opportunity to wish everyone a Merry Christmas, and a festive New Year's Eve!


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:22:59 pm
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Originally posted by Tristan in the Atlantuis forum. More on the Emerald Tablet later:

The History of Thoth, The Atlantean

I, THOTH, the Atlantean, master of mysteries,
keeper of records, mighty king, magician,
living from generation to generation,
being about to pass into the halls of Amenti,
set down for the guidance of
those that are to come after,
these records of the mighty wisdom of Great Atlantis.


In the great city of KEOR on the island of UNDAL,
in a time far past, I began this incarnation.
Not as the little men of the present age did
the mighty ones of Atlantis live and die,
but rather from aeon to aeon did they renew
their life in the Halls of Amenti where the river of life
flows eternally onward.


A hundred times ten
have I descended the dark way that led into light,
and as many times have I ascended from the
darkness into the light my strength and power renewed.


Now for a time I descend,
and the men of KHEM (Khem is ancient Egypt)
shall know me no more.


But in a time yet unborn will I rise again,
mighty and potent, requiring an accounting
of those left behind me.


Then beware, O men of KHEM,
if ye have falsely betrayed my teaching,
for I shall cast ye down from your high estate
into the darkness of the caves from whence ye came.


Betray not my secrets
to the men of the North
or the men of the South
lest my curse fall upon ye.


Remember and heed my words,
for surely will I return again
and require of thee that which ye guard.
Aye, even from beyond time and
from beyond death will I return,
rewarding or punishing
as ye have requited your truest.


Great were my people in the ancient days,
great beyond the conception of the
little people now around me;
knowing the wisdom of old,
seeking far within the heart of infinity
knowledge that belonged to Earth's youth.


Wise were we with the wisdom
of the Children of Light who dwelt among us.
Strong were we with the power drawn
from the eternal fire.


And of all these, greatest among the
children of men was my father, THOTME,
keeper of the great temple,
link between the Children of Light
who dwelt within the temple and the
races of men who inhabited the ten islands.


Mouthpiece, after the Three,
of the Dweller of UNAL,
speaking to the Kings
with the voice that must be obeyed.


Grew I there from a child into manhood,
being taught by my father the elder mysteries,
until in time there grew within the fire of wisdom,
until it burst into a consuming flame.


Naught desired I but the attainment of wisdom.
Until on a great day the command came from the
Dweller of the Temple that I be brought before him.
Few there were among the children of men
who had looked upon that mighty face and lived,
for not as the sons of men are the
Children of Light when they are not incarnate
in a physical body.


Chosen was I from the sons of men,
taught by the Dweller so that his
purposes might be fulfilled,
purposes yet unborn in the womb of time.


Long ages I dwelt in the Temple,
learning ever and yet ever more wisdom,
until I, too, approached the light emitted
from the great fire.


Taught me he, the path to Amenti,
the underworld where the great king sits
upon his throne of might.


Deep I bowed in homage before the Lords of Life
and the Lords of Death,
receiving as my gift the Key of Life.


Free was I of the Halls of Amenti,
bound not be death to the circle of life.
Far to the stars I journeyed until
space and time became as naught.


Then having drunk deep of the cup of wisdom,
I looked into the hearts of men and there found I
greater mysteries and was glad.
For only in the Search for Truth could my Soul
be stilled and the flame within be quenched.


Down through the ages I lived,
seeing those around me taste of the cup
of death and return again in the light of life.


Gradually from the Kingdoms of Atlantis passed waves
of consciousness that had been one with me,
only to be replaced by spawn of a lower star.


In obedience to the law,
the word of the Master grew into flower.
Downward into the darkness turned the
thoughts of the Atlanteans,
Until at last in this wrath arose from his AGWANTI,
the Dweller, (this word has no English equivalent;
it means a state of detachment)
speaking The Word, calling the power.


Deep in Earth's heart, the sons of Amenti heard,
and hearing, directing the changing of the flower of fire
that burns eternally, changing and shifting, using the LOGOS,
until that great fire changed its direction.


Over the world then broke the great waters,
drowning and sinking,
changing Earth's balance
until only the Temple of Light was left
standing on the great mountain on UNDAL
still rising out of the water;
some there were who were living,
saved from the rush of the fountains.


Called to me then the Master, saying:
Gather ye together my people.
Take them by the arts ye have learned of far across the waters,
until ye reach the land of the hairy barbarians,
dwelling in caves of the desert.
Follow there the plan that yet know of.


Gathered I then my people and
entered the great ship of the Master.
Upward we rose into the morning.
Dark beneath us lay the Temple.
Suddenly over it rose the waters.
Vanished from Earth,
until the time appointed,
was the great Temple.


Fast we fled toward the sun of the morning,
until beneath us lay the land of the children of KHEM.
Raging, they came with cudgels and spears,
lifted in anger seeking to slay and utterly destroy the Sons of Atlantis.


Then raised I my staff and directed a ray of vibration,
striking them still in their tracks as fragments
of stone of the mountain.


Then spoke I to them in words calm and peaceful,
telling them of the might of Atlantis,
saying we were children of the Sun and its messengers.
Cowed I them by my display of magic-science,
until at my feet they groveled, when I released them.


Long dwelt we in the land of KHEM,
long and yet long again.
Until obeying the commands of the Master,
who while sleeping yet lives eternally,
I sent from me the Sons of Atlantis,
sent them in many directions,
that from the womb of time wisdom
might rise again in her children.


Long time dwelt I in the land of KHEM,
doing great works by the wisdom within me.
Upward grew into the light of knowledge
the children of KHEM,
watered by the rains of my wisdom.


Blasted I then a path to Amenti so
that I might retain my powers,
living from age to age a Sun of Atlantis,
keeping the wisdom, preserving the records.


Great few the sons of KHEM,
conquering the people around them,
growing slowly upwards in Soul force.


Now for a time I go from among them into
the dark halls of Amenti,
deep in the halls of the Earth,
before the Lords of the powers,
face to face once again with the Dweller.


Raised I high over the entrance, a doorway, a gateway
leading down to Amenti.


Few there would be with courage to dare it,
few pass the portal to dark Amenti.
Raised over the passage, I, a mighty pyramid,
using the power that overcomes Earth force (gravity).
Deep and yet deeper place I a force-house or chamber;
from it carved I a circular passage
reaching almost to the great summit.


There in the apex, set I the crystal,
sending the ray into the "Time-Space,"
drawing the force from out of the ether,
concentrating upon the gateway to Amenti.


Other chambers I built and left vacant to all seeming,
yet hidden within them are the keys to Amenti.
He who in courage would dare the dark realms,
let him be purified first by long fasting.


Lie in the sarcophagus of stone in my chamber.
Then reveal I to him the great mysteries.
Soon shall he follow to where I shall meet him,
even in the darkness of Earth shall I meet him, I,
Thoth, Lord of Wisdom, meet him and hold him
and dwell with him always.


Builded I the Great Pyramid,
patterned after the pyramid of Earth force,
burning eternally so that it, too,
might remain through the ages.


In it, I builded my knowledge of "Magic-Science"
so that I might be here when again I return from Amenti,
Aye, while I sleep in the Halls of Amenti,
my Soul roaming free will incarnate,
dwell among men in this form or another. (Hermes, thrice-born.)


Emissary on Earth am I of the Dweller,
fulfilling his commands so many might be lifted.
Now return I to the halls of Amenti,
leaving behind me some of my wisdom.
Preserve ye and keep ye the command of the Dweller:
Lift ever upwards your eyes toward the light.


Surely in time, ye are one with the Master,
surely by right ye are one with the Master,
surely by right yet are one with the ALL.


Now, I depart from ye.
Know my commandments,
keep them and be them,
and I will be with you,
helping and guiding you into the Light.


Now before me opens the portal.
Go I down in the darkness of night.

http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald1bw.html
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:23:38 pm
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When it's said "One story has it that the Emerald Tablets found their way to S.America which some say were responsible for Mayan advancements". Just a correction: Maya civilization was in Central America (Honduras-Mexico-Guatemala)not in South America where many cultures blossomed there...but different. Errors like these can't be swallowed indifferently, it would be like saying Sioux or Cheyenne were living in Chile! Besides this, the information provided is very interesting and I do appreciate, folks.
I would like to know if this Esmeral Tablet has anything to do with Moses experience as mentioned in Exodus 24:9-11 , please read it.It's mentioned the entity embassador of God (compare with Acts 7:30, 35, 38)was standing upon saphire floor. Sefer and saphire is also book or telling stories in Hebrew and tradition says that stone (that eventually was used before the 10 commandments) was as hard as diamond but could be bend like a scroll. Torah was supposed to be written in that saphir first. It was heavy, unbearable to be lifted in specific moments. Chapter 25 is interesting too:
www.exodus2006.com/lordofcode.htm
Anyone can teach us something about possible link between saphire and esmerald tablets?

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:24:18 pm
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A good link on the history of the emerald tablet


http://www.alchemylab.com/hyper_history.htm

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several species of small furry animals gathered together and grooving with a pict in a cave

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:24:47 pm
 
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I have read specifically that the "tablets" of Moses were of Lapis....

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:25:30 pm
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I brought Veronica's thread forward to confirm the actual existence, best we can know of the Emerald Tablet. Another forum member claims it does not exist. Perhaps not anymore, but I am convinced it did once.

The Spear of Longinos and the Ark of the Covenant haven't been found either and yet we few doubt their existence because they are listed in ancient accounts. Same thing with the Emerald Tablet.

The following information comes not from me, but Wim van den Dungen, the author:


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1 History and legend of Hermes Trismegistus.

Thoth was among the most diverse and popular deities of the Egyptian pantheon. He is attested in the Old
Kingdom (ca.2670 - 2205 BC) and was regarded since the most primitive period as the god of the Moon.
Hence, Thoth derived much of his authority from being the secretary and counsellor to the Sun god Re (the
light of the Moon being the light of the Sun). He became the regulator of time and individual destinies (cf.
the importance of the phases of the Moon in Egyptian national life).

He also presided over the temple cults, in particular the sacred rituals, invented writing and was the lord of
wisdom. His temple was erected in Hermopolis. His occult powers, dealing with healing and protection,
were considerable (for his speech had creative power). Thoth owed his popularity with ordinary people,
because of his role as guide of souls and divine scribe on the day of judgement.

This strong devotion continued throughout the Ptolemaic and Roman periods, i.e. when Egypt had entered
its Late Period and was Hellenized. Both Jewish settlers as well as Greeks tried to establish some link with
Thoth (the second-century BC romancer Artapanus assimilated Moses to Thoth !).

The Greeks, who started to settle in Egypt under Pharaoh Amasis (570 - 526 BC), associated Thoth with
Hermes. The latter was also linked with the Moon, medicine, the realm of the dead, inventiveness, trickery
and functioned as messenger of the gods. Hence, in the Hellenistic period, Thoth became the "word" or
"logos", interpreting the divine will to humanity. The Lycaonians saw in him the apostle Paul and the Stoics
regarded him both as "logos" and demiurge.
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Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:26:00 pm
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Legend has it that the Tabula was found in a cave by Apollonius in Egypt (near Alexandria ?) in the first
century AD, inscribed on a plate of emerald, held by the corpse of Hermes Trismegistus. In other legends
(told by Albertus Magnus), Alexander the Great found it (in the third century BC). In Jewish lore, it was
Sara, the wife of Abraham, who found the Tabula near Hebron !

Balinas has been identified with Hermes Trismegistus himself, the "second" Hermes being Akhenaten and
the "first" Thoth. In Islamic tradition, the antediluvian Thoth is associated with Idris ("exalted to a lofty
station"), who lived between the eras of Adam and Noah and who wrote books that revealed the divine laws
to humanity.

1.3 The historical text part of the Jabirian corpus.

Abu Musa Jabir ibn Hayyan ("Jabir" or Westernized as "Geber") was born at Tus in 721 or 722 AD (shortly
before his father, a druggist, was beheaded & impaled by political adversaries, for he supported the
Abbasids against the then ruling Ommayads).


Jabir belonged to the South Arabian Al-Azd tribe, which had settled down at
Kufa, in Iraq. He studied the Koran, literature, history and became the friend
of the *****e religious leader and Sûfî mystic Ja'far al-Sadiq, who introduced
him into things mystic & occult. This made him turn towards alchemy.

In middle life, he is well established as an alchemist at the court of the
Abbasid caliph Harun al-Rashid (cf. Arabian Nights). Around 803 (with the
downfall of his patrons), he retires at Kufa and is said to have survived until
the accession of caliph Al-Ma'mun (from 813 AD). Another source has it that
he died at Tus in 815 AD.

He wrote extensively, but in many cases books are ascribed to Jabir which
cannot have been written by him.
An idealized image of Geber from the Codex Ashburnham, Florenze, end 15th century.


As late as 1923, Holmyard discovered the abridged Arabic text of the Tabula Smaragdina in Jabir's Second
Book of the Element of the Foundation. Before this discovery, the text had only been known in medieval
Latin.
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Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:26:32 pm
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2. A variety of versions of the Emerald Table.

2.1 Two Arabic versions : Jabir and Balinas.

The first version was found by Holmyard in 1923 in the Second Book of the Element of the Foundation,
attributed to Jabir. It dates from the 8th century AD.

"Balinas mentions the engraving on a table in the hand of Hermes, which says :

'Truth ! Certainty ! That in which there is no doubt ! That which is above is from that which is below, and
that which is below is from that which is above, working the miracles of one. As all things were from one. Its
father is the Sun and its mother the Moon. The Earth carried it in her belly, and the Wind nourished it in her
belly, as Earth which shall become Fire. Feed the Earth from that which is subtle, with the greatest power. It
ascends from the Earth to the heaven and becomes ruler over that which is above and that which is
below.'

And I have already explained the meaning of the whole of this in two of these books of mine."

Jabir (attributed to) : Second Book of the Element of the Foundation, middle 8th century AD.

Ruska discovered another longer Arabic version, said to have been dictated by Sergius of Nablus, in a
book called Book of the Secret of Creation and the Art of Nature (Kitab Sirr al-Khaliqa wa San 'at al-Tabi'a
which was also called : Kitab Balaniyus al-Hakim fi'l-'Ilal or Book of Balinas the wise on the Causes), written
as early as 650 BC and definitely finished by the time of the caliphate of Al-Ma'mun (813 - 833). A Syriac
source has been suggested, but none of these contain the Tabula.

"Here is that which the priest Sagijus of Nabulus has dictated concerning the entrance of Balinas into the
hidden chamber.

'After my entrance into the chamber, where the talisman was set up, I came up to an old man sitting on a
golden throne, who was holding an emerald table in one hand. And behold the following -in Syriac, the
primordial language- was written thereon :

Here (is) a true explanation, concerning which there can be no doubt. It attests : the above from the below,
and the below from the above - the work of the miracle of the One. And things have been from this primal
substance through a single act. How wonderful is this work ! It is the main (principle) of the world and is
its maintainer. Its father is the sun and its mother the moon. The wind has borne it in its body, and the
earth has nourished it. The father of talismen and the protector of miracles whose powers are perfect, and
whose lights are confirmed (?). A fire that becomes earth. Separate the earth from the fire, so you will
attain the subtle as more inherent than the gross, with care and sagacity. It rises from earth to heaven, so
as to draw the lights of the heights to itself, and descends to the earth ; thus within it are the forces of the
above and the below ; because the light of lights within it, thus does the darkness flee before it. The force
of forces, which overcomes every subtle thing and penetrates into everything gross. The structure of the
microcosm is in accordance with the structure of the macrocosm. And accordingly proceed the
knowledgeable.

And to this aspired Hermes, who was threefold graced with wisdom. And this is his last book, which he
concealed in the chamber.'"
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:27:27 pm
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2.2 The Latin version of Kunrath.

The Latin text probably first appeared in Europe in editions of the Secretum Secretorum, the Latin
translation of the Book of Advice to Kings (Kitab Sirr al-Asar) by Johannes Hispalensis ca.1140 and by
Philip of Tripoli in ca.1243. Other translations may have been made during the same period (by Plato of
Tivoli, Hugh of Santalla and others). Albertus Magnus (Book of Minerals) mentions the Tabula. The version
chosen here, was published by Kunrath in 1609.

"Verba Secretorum Hermetis.

Verum sine mendacio, certum et verissimum : quod est inferius est sicut quod est superius ; et quod est
superius est sicunt quod est inferius, ad perpetranda miracula rei unius. Et sicut omnes res fuerunt ab uno,
mediatione unius, sic omnes res natæ fuerunt ab hac una readaptione (var. per conjunctionem). Pater jeus
est Sol ; mater ejus Luna, portavit illud Ventus in ventre suo ; nutrix ejus Terra est. Pater omnis telesmi
totius mundi est hic. Vis ejus integra est, si versa fuerit in terram (var. si versa fuerit / si mutetur). Separabis
terram ab igne, subtile a spisso, suaviter, cum magno ingenio. Ascendit a terra in coelum, interumque
descendit in terram, et recepit vim superiorum et inferiorum. Sic habebis gloriam totius mundi. Ideo fugiet a
te omnis obscuritas. Hic est totius fortitudinis fortitudo fortis ; quia vincet omnem rem subtilem, omnemque
solidam penetrabit. Sic mundus creatus est. Hinc erunt adaptiones mirabiles, quarum modus est hic.

Itaque vocatus sum Hermes Trismegistus, habens tres partes philosophiæ totius mundi. Completum est
quod dixi de operatione Solis (var. de magisterio solis)."

Kunrath, H. : Amphitheatrum Sapientiæ Æternæ, Hanau, 1609, plate of the Emerald Table.
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2.3 The Latin & English version of Isaac Newton.

Newton's interest in Hermetism lay in the antiquity of these texts. He believed strongly in the doctrine of
"pisca sapienta", and considered the more ancient documents as less corrupted. Hermes was an "Authores
optimi", who incarnated the knowledge of things ancient, arcane and prophetic.

"Verum est sine mendacio, certum et verissimum. Quod est inferius est sicut id quod est superius et quod
est superius est sicut id quod est inferius ad perpetranda miracula rei unius. Et sicut res omnes fuerunt ab
uno meditatione et consilio unius : ita omnes res nascuntur ab hac una re adaptione. Pater ejus est sol,
Mater ejus est Luna Portavit ilIum Ventus in ventre suo, Nutrix ejus est Terra. Pater omnis perfectionis
totius mundi est hic. Vis ejus est integra si versa fuerit in terram. Separabis terram ab igne, subtile a spisso
suaviter magno cum (diligentia) ingenio. Ascendit a terra in coelurn iterumque descendit in terram & recipit
vim superiorurn & inferiorum. Sic habebis gloriam totius mundi et fugiet a te (tenebrae) omnis obscuritas.
Haec est enim totius fortitudinis fortitudo fortis. Nam vincet omnem rem subtilem omnemque, solidam
penetrabit. Sic Mundus creatus est. Hinc erunt adaptiones mirabiles quarum modus est hic.

Itaque vocatus sum Hermes Trismegistus habens tres partes philosophiae totius mundi. Completum est
quod dixi de opere solari."

(Newton found similar Latin version in the six-volume Theatrum chemicum which he purchased in 1669.)

"Tis true without lying, certain & most true. That wch is below is like that wch is above & that wch is above
is like yt wch is below to do ye miracles of one only thing. And as all things have been & arose from one by
ye mediation of one : so all things have their birth from this one thing by adaptation. The Sun is its father,
the moon its mother, the wind hath carried it in its belly, the earth is its nourse. The father of all perfection in
ye whole world is here. lts force or power is entire if it be converted into earth. Separate thou ye earth from
ye fire, ye subtile from the gross sweetly wth great indoustry. It ascends from ye earth to ye heaven & again
it descends to ye earth & receives ye force of things superior & inferior. By this means you shall have ye
glory of ye whole world & thereby all obscurity shall fly from you. lts force is above all force. For it
vanquishes every subtile thing & penetrates every solid thing. So was ye world created. From this are & do
come admirable adaptations whereof ye means <arrow upward> (or process) <arrow downward> is here in
this.

Hence I am called Hermes Trismegist, having the three parts of ye philosophy of ye whole world. That wch I
have said of ye operation of ye Sun is accomplished & ended."

Newton, I. : Tabula Smaragdina Hermetis Trismegistri Philosophorum patris, published by Dobbs, B.J.T. : The Janus Face of Genius,
Cambridge University Press - Cambridge, 1991, p.274-275.
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2.4 The French version of Fulcanelli.

"Il est vrai, sans mensonge, certain et très véritable : ce qui est en bas est comme ce qui est en haut, et ce
qui est en haut est comme ce qui est en bas ; par ces choses se font les miracles d'une seule chose. Et
comme toutes les choses sont et proviennent d'UN, par la médiation d'UN, ainsi toutes les choses sont
nées de cette chose unique par adaptation. Le Soleil en est le père, et la Lune la mère. Le vent l'a porté
dans son ventre. La terre est sa nourrice et son réceptacle. Le Père de tout, le Thélème du monde
universe est ici. Sa force ou puissance reste entière, si elle est convertie en terre. Tu sépareras la terre du
feu, le subtil de l'épais, soucement, avec grande industrie. Il monte de la terre et descend au ciel, et reçoit
la force des choses supérieures et des choses inférieures. Tu auras par ce moyen la gloire du monde, et
toute obscurité s'enfuira de toi. C'est la force, forte de toute force, car elle vaincra toute chose subtile et
pénétrera toute chose solide. Ainsi, le monde a été créé. De cela sortiront d'admirables adaptations,
dequelles le moyen est ici donné.

C'est pourquoi j'ai été appelé Hermès Trigmégiste, ayant les trois parties de la philosophie universelle. Ce
que j'ai dit de l'Oeuvre solaire est complet."

Fulcanelli : Les Demeures philosophales, Pauvert - Paris, 1965, pp.247-249 :
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The Seven Steps of Transformation of the One Entity
Solve et Coagula



Visita Interiora
Terra Rectificanto
Inveniens Occultum Lapidem

Valentine, Basil : L'Azoth des Philosophes, Paris, 1659.
BLACK WORK
1. Saturn / black crow perching on top of a skull /
Visita = Putrefaction ;
2. Jupiter / black crow watching itself dissolving /
Interiora = Dissolution ;

WHITE WORK
3.Mars / two white soul birds retrieving the remains /
Terra = Separation ;
4. Sun / ascending soul & spirit birds leave Earth and
lift the five-spiked crown / Rectificanto = Conjunction
;

RED WORK
5. Venus / soul & spirit birds nest in a tree and brood
over their egg / Inveniens = Fermentation ;
6. Mercury / unicorn lying in front of a rose bush /
Occultum = Distillation ;
7. Moon / androgynous youth emerging from an open
grave / Lapidem = Coagulation.
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Bibliography.

Apollonius of Tyana : Book of the Secret of Creation and the Art of Nature or Book of Balinas the wise on the Causes, ca.
650 - 813 AD.
Barry, K. : The Greek Qabalah, Weiser - New York, 1999.
Chittick, W.C. : The Self-Disclosure of God : principles of Ibn al-'Arabî's Cosmology, State University of New York Press -
New York, 1998.
De Givry, G. : Le Grand Oeuvre, Édit.Trad. - Paris, 1985.
Dobbs, B.J.T. : The Janus Face of Genius, Cambridge University Press - Cambridge, 1991.
Evola, J. : The Hermetic Tradition, Inner Traditions - Vermont, 1995.
Fowden, G. : The Egyptian Hermes, Princeton University Press - Princeton, 1993.
Festugière, A.J. : Corpus Hermeticum, Les Belles Lettres - Paris, 1983.
Fulcanelli : Les Demeures philosophales, Pauvert - Paris, 1965.
Goddard, D. : The Tower of Alchemy, Weiser - New York, 1999.
Hauck, D.W. : The Emerald Tablet, Penguin - New York, 1999.
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Holmyard, E.J. : Alchemy, Dover - New York, 1990.
Jabir : Second Book of the Element of the Foundation, middle 8th century AD.
Jung, C.G. : Collected Works, Bollingen, 1968.
Kunrath, H. : Amphitheatrum Sapientiæ Æternæ, Hanau, 1609.
Latz, G. : Alchemie, Bonn, 1869.
Lozowick, L. : The Alchemy of Transformation, Hohm Press - Arizona, 1996.
Magnus, Albertus : Liber de Secretis Chymicus & De Mineralibus.
Mallinger, J. : La Table d'Émeraude, Platounoff - Bruxelles, 1932.
Patai, R. : The Jewish Alchemists, Princeton University Press - Princeton, 1994.
Poisson, A. : Théories et Symboles des Alchimistes, Édit.Trad. - Paris, 1986.
Quirke, S. : The Cult of Ra, Thames & Hudson - London, 2001.
Quispel, G. (edit) : De Hermetische Gnosis in de loop der eeuwen, Trion - Baarn, 1994.
Raleigh, A.S. : The Speculative Art of Alchemy, Kessinger Publications - Montana, no date.
Regardie, I. : The Philosopher's Stone, Kessinger Publications - Montana, no date.
Rijckenborgh, J. (editor) : Het Nuctemeron van Apollonius van Tyana, Rosekruis-Pers - Haarlem, 1976.
Robinson, J.M. : The Nag Hammadi Library, Leiden - Brill, 1984.
Rulandus, M. : A Lexicon of Alchemy, 1612.
Russell, R. (translator) : The Alchemical Works of Geber, Weiser - New York, 1994.
Scott, W. (edit) : Hermetica, Shamballa - Boston, 1993, p.389.
Smith, M. : Jesus the Magician, Aquarian Press - Wellingborough, 1985.
van den Broek, R. & Hanegraaff, J. (editors) : Gnosticism and Hermetism from Antiquity to Modern Times, State University of
New York Press - New York, 1998.
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Please, are we gonna read the whole books here or proper comments???? I mean, Ian even glued the bibliography or French version for Christ's sake!

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Back to my interpretation of the Emerald Tablets. Let's see, I left off at section 2. Here's section three with my comments in parenthesis:

The Key of Wisdom
I, Thoth, the Atlantean,
give of my wisdom,
give of my knowledge,
give of my power.
Freely I give to the children of men.
Give that they, too, might have wisdom
to shine through the world from the veil of the night. (Here we are told to reveal it to the world so they might learn as well. Thoth, always the master.  :) )


Wisdom is power and power is wisdom,
one with each other, perfecting the whole.
(Always known this to be true in my heart.)

Be thou not proud, O man, in thy wisdom. ((This says to me to share the knowledge and not talk about how much you know, but tell what you know without being condescending.)
Discourse with the ignorant as well as the wise. (Talk with both wise men and ignorant as they all have something to teach.)
If one comes to thee full of knowledge,
listen and heed, for wisdom is all.

Keep thou not silent when evil is spoken for Truth like the sunlight shines above all. (No matter what lies anyone tells, truth will prevail, so there's no need to discuss it.)
He who over-steppeth the Law shall be punished,
for only through Law comes the freedom of men.
Cause thou not fear for fear is a bondage,
a fetter that binds the darkness to men.
(Release all fear or suffer fro eternity for it.)

Follow thine heart during thy lifetime.
Do thou more than is commanded of thee. (Always be true to yourself and do for others when you have because that will lead to an enriched life.)
When thou hast gained riches,
follow thou thine heart,
for all these are of no avail if
thine heart be weary. (Again, always do what your heart tells you is right.)
Diminish thou not the time of
following thine heart.
It is abhorred of the soul.


They that are guided go not astray,
but they that are lost cannot find a straight path. (Let your heart guide you on the right path to enlightenment.)
If thou go among men, make for thyself,
Love, the beginning and end of the heart. (Love is the most powerful thing in the entire universe so practice it always.)


If one cometh unto thee for council,
let him speak freely,
that the thing for which he hath
come to thee may be done.
If he hesitates to open his heart to thee,
it is because thou, the judge, doeth the wrong.
(So here it says if a friend comes for advice listen carefully so you may help them. But if he hesitates it's because you are judging him and that's wrong. Never judge, always be vigilant and help but never, ever judge someone.)


Repeat thou not extravagant speech,
neither listen thou to it,
for it is the utterance of one
not in equilibrium.
Speak thou not of it,
so that he before thee may know wisdom.
(Speak clearly, simply, and from the heart.)


Silence is of great profit.
An abundance of speech profiteth nothing.
Exalt not thine heart above the children of men,
lest it be brought lower than the dust. (There is knowledge and learning in silence if you chose to listen and not speak. In speaking, you learn nothing.)


If thou be great among men,
be honoured for knowledge and gentleness. (Your friends will honor you if you speak and listen with gentleness, love, and compassion.)
If thou seeketh to know the nature of a friend,
ask not his companion,
but pass a time alone with him.
Debate with him,
testing his heart by his words and his bearing.
(Spend time getting to know people for this will tell you if their heart is true.)


That which goeth into the store-house must come forth,
and the things that are thine must be shared with a friend.
(Store your knowledge and share with others.)

Knowledge is regarded by the fool as ignorance,
and the things that are profitable are to him hurtful.
He liveth in death.
It is therefore his food.
(Fools will always have death looming over their heads as he has not learned that what lay beyond this world is light, knowledge, and love.)


The wise man lets his heart overflow
but keeps silent his mouth.
O man, list to the voice of wisdom;
list to the voice of light. (Those who listen will learn from the source itself.)

Mysteries there are in the Cosmos
that unveiled fill the world with their light.
Let he who would be free from the bonds of darkness
first divine the material from the immaterial,
the fire from the earth;
for know ye that as earth descends to earth,
so also fire ascends unto
fire and becomes one with fire.
He who knows the fire that is within
himself shall ascend unto the eternal fire
and dwell in it eternally.
(The people who have enlightenment through learning will know the fires that light the soul that enables them to transcend the darkness of ones self.)

Fire, the inner fire,
is the most potent of all force,
for it overcomethall things and
penetrates to all things of the Earth.
Man supports himself only on that which resists.
So Earth must resist man else he existeth not.
(The inner fire, for me it's love, transcends all and is of the Earth. Resistence leads to being Earthbound or the physical part that makes up the human experience.)


All eyes do not see with the same vision,
for to one an object appears of
one form and colour
and to a different eye of another. (Beauty is in the eyes of the behold.)
So also the infinite fire,
changing from colour to colour,
is never the same from day to day. (We and the infinite are always evolving, changing, learning, and growing, just as we should.)


Thus, speak I, THOTH, of my wisdom,
for a man is a fire burning bright
through the night;
never is quenched in the veil of the darkness,
never is quenched by the veil of the night.
(We are eternal and nothing can keep us cloaked in darkness unless we let it.)


Into men's hearts, I looked by my wisdom,
found them not free from the bondage of strife.
Free from the toils, thy fire, O my brother,
lest it be buried in the shadow of night!
(Strife will always led to darkness so purge your soul of it. Live free, and happy. Don't worry about anything as it all has a purpose, something we must learn to achieve a higher learning.)


Hark ye, O man, and list to this wisdom:
where do name and form cease?
Only in consciousness, invisible,
an infinite force of radiance bright.
The forms that ye create by brightening
they vision are truly effects that follow thy cause.
(If you brighten your outlook on life, you brighten your soul from within.)

Man is a star bound to a body,
until in the end,
he is freed through his strife.
Only by struggle and toiling thy
utmost shall the star within thee
bloom out in new life. (The harder you work for it, the more you learn and grow.)
He who knows the commencement of all things,
free is his star from the realm of night.

Remember, O man, that all which exists
is only another form of that which exists not.
Everything that has being is passing into yet other being and thou thyself are not an exception. (We exist in all forms of existence and non-existence as it is all the same. We continue to reincarnate so we may learn and grow enough to reach enlightenment.)


Consider the Law, for all is Law.
Seek not that which is not of the Law,
for such exists only in the illusions of the senses. (This world is but an illusion that follows the law of existence.)
Wisdom cometh to all her children
even as they cometh unto wisdom.
(Wisdom comes even if you do not go to it.)


All through the ages,
the light has been hidden.
Awake, O man, and be wise.


Deep in the mysteries of life have I traveled,
seeking and searching for that which is hidden.


List ye, O man, and be wise.
Far 'neath the earth crust,
in the Halls of Amenti,
mysteries I saw that are hidden from men.


Oft have I journeyed the deep hidden passage,
looked on the Light that is Life among men.
There 'neath the flowers of Life ever living,
searched I the hearts and the secrets of men.
Found I that man is but living in darkness,
light of the great fire is hidden within.
(Our souls hold the light of the great fire if we only seek it.)


Before the Lords of hidden Amenti
learned I the wisdom I give unto men.


Masters are they of the great Secret Wisdom,
brought from the future of infinity's end.
Seven are they, the Lords of Amenti,
overlords they of the Children of Morning,
Suns of the cycles, Masters of Wisdom.


Formed are not they as the children of men?
THREE, FOUR, FIVE AND SIX, SEVEN,
EIGHT, NINE are the titles of the Masters of men.


Far from the future, formless yet forming,
came they as teachers for the children of men.
Live they forever, yet not of the living,
bound not to life and yet free from death.
(They are eternal, they see all past, present, and future. They have gone past death and are endless. The future is always reshaping itself.)


Rule they forever with infinite wisdom,
bound yet not bound to the dark Halls of Death. (Bound to death, but always eternal.)
Life they have in them, yet life that is not life, free from all are the Lords of the ALL. (They are part of the All, alive but not in the physical realm as we know it.)


Forth from them came forth the Logos,
instruments they of the power o'er all.
Vast is their countenance,
yet hidden in smallness,
formed by a forming, known yet unknown.
(They are vast but it's hidden in the smaller things in life, always changing form.)


THREE holds the key of all hidden magic,
creator he of the halls of the Dead;
sending forth power, shrouding with darkness,
binding the souls of the children of men;
sending the darkness, binding the soul force;
director of negative to the children of men.
(The creator of man side of the God, possibly?)


FOUR is he who looses the power.
Lord, he, of Life to the children of men.
Light is his body, flame is his countenance;
freer of souls to the children of men.
(He gives life to all men and they are like him.)

FIVE is the master, the Lord of all magic -
Key to The Word that resounds among men.
(The Spoken word of God>)


SIX is the Lord of Light, the hidden pathway,
path of the souls of the children of men.
(The path we must find. It's master is hidden from those who don't seek the light.)

SEVEN is he who is Lord of the vastness,
master of Space and the key of the Times.
(He controls time and space.)


EIGHT is he who orders the progress;
weighs and balances the journey of men.
(Destiny? The Fates?)


NINE is the father, vast he of countenance,
forming and changing from out of the formless.
(The ALL FATHER, creator of all beings in the universe, human, plant, animal, and alien alike.)


Meditate on the symbols I give thee.
Keys are they, though hidden from men.


Reach ever upward, O Soul of the morning. (We are all children of the morning soul.)
Turn thy thoughts upward to Light and to Life. (Ponder life and light, it leads one toward the goals needed to be reached.)
Find in the keys of the numbers I bring thee,
light on the pathway from life unto life.
(These keys will bring many lives or reincarnations.)


Seek ye with wisdom.
Turn thy thoughts inward.
Close not thy mind to the flower of Light.
(Always have an Open Mind for it leads to true enlightenment.)


Place in thy body a thought-formed picture.
Think of the numbers that lead thee to Life.
(Picture it and it will guide you on the right path.)


Clear is the pathway to he who has wisdom.
Open the door to the Kingdom of Light.


Pour forth thy flame as a Sun of the morning.
Shut out the darkness and live in the day.
(Live everyday to the fullest and toss out evils such as hate.)


Take thee, O man! As part of thy being,
the Seven who are but are not as they seem.
Opened, O man! Have I my wisdom.
Follow the path in the way I have led.


Masters of Wisdom,
SUN of the MORNING LIGHT and LIFE
to the children of men.

These are merely my interpretations of the Emerald Tablet sections. See the good in all, discard the darkness, live in the day, love all, and be at peace for this is how to reach the Divine.

Peace be with you,
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Oscar, I make no apologies. I believe it's important to cite sources from the research and be as comprehensive as possible. Besides, the original article is 37 pages long, you actually only saw a small part of it (and besides, it wouldn't hurt any of us to learn a little French  :) ).

We all know what the Emerald Tablet says and we can see that it existed at one time. Anyone have an educated guess as to whatever happened to it?
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I'll hazard a guess, Ian. How about the Vatican archives?

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Good guess! They have an ancient copy of Timaeus there, perhaps they're building an Atlantis collection.
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I've been wondering what they've got hidden away there for years. I've always wondered about the torching of the Library at Alexandria. If that was a planned event by one of the various priesthoods, particularly a priesthood in Rome, I'll bet they were stashing manuscripts like crazy before it was set fire to. Somebody out there has it. And very few things happened in those days without the blessings of priesthoods.

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KTCat,
They torched the Library at Alexandria because it house ancient records of the Heathens they tried to convert. It wouldn't at all surprise me that the Catholic church would do something like this. Again, read my above comment about how they've erradicated entire races. I'm certain that someone got out with some of the more important papers but even if they did they would have hidden away so it wouldn't be destroyed and who knows where they stashed it.

Ian,
Yeah, they probably are and we'll probably never see it!


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Well, clesterwood, it's not just the Library at Alexandria that leads me to this suspicion. It's because, as far as I know, the Church of Rome and Sol Invictus has sponsered more archialogical digs over the course of the last 2000 years than any other organization on Earth. I want a front row ticket when they break open those archives  :)

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:34:51 pm
 
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If you read the tablets you might notice there are meditation, chakra, and energy cultivation exercises mentioned in some details. One is even similar to Pineal gland, or pineal wave meditations.It is true meditation methods being talked about. So I don't think they could have been just made up, or are imagination. No way.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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KTCat,
I have no doubt the Vatican has many ancient records hiding the truth because it would destroy organized religion as we know it and restructure world history. Only the enlightened people want that.

Pahana,
I've noticed that myself. It's one of the reasons why I'm posting my own interpretations of the Emerald Tablets. Regardless of whether or not they exist, they speak volumes and teach lots to those who read them.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:36:00 pm
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Such genius!

On gems and Thoth!
I wonder if the Emeralds of Thoth contain a multi-dimensional potential for meaning. Couldn't the 10 islands be representative of planets in the galaxy or even perhaps 10 galaxies. It seems to me that Thoth may be referring to a more universal or all encompassing omnipotence such as the combined omnipotence of both a father and mother. Therefore the temple and/or vessel if it is understood as being representative of a physical entity such as a human being could possibly translate as being the material form God or the father and mother inhabits so as to express within the third dimension.

Regardless sometimes I feel like an emerald. Sometimes I feel like a ruby. Sometimes I feel like a pearl. Most days I feel like a diamond. And no one will ever "persuade" me to believe that diamonds are not the most strongest (empowered) gems of all.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:36:30 pm
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Sometimes I feel like a nut.....

In Rock Medicine...."Diamond is for harmony and balance conciously with the higher conciousness.
The diamond was an important herald of the matriarchal guidelines for this new age. It can be no coincidence of women's roles here and the female propensity and affinity towards diamonds. As they say "Diamonds are a girl's best friend". As it turns out they are for everybody."

"Diamond is for perpetuation a constant stat of what we have called in the past meditation. This is a state of being, at all times, in 100 percent focus of all your energies, and their changing relationships to thos vibrational influences it comes in contact with. This is the application of the state of meditation becoming a state of being. This is clear predisposition to our own abilities to partake of the miricles of creation and of creating."

"Diamond may be safely used with any stone and at any length of time. It happens to be one of the three stones that everyone should have on themselves for use at all times. Of the three, topaz and diamond are bothe suitable for constant use (while keeping your agate pocketed for first aid)."

"It IS on Earth as it is in Heaven" Yes.....

Emerald, used correctly, heals the back, while pearl directs healing to the physical reproductive organs in women (not used by itself). Also it is one of the triad used for female hormone balancing.

Remember that the use of stones in ancient times is different now as all vibration planet wide has shifted many times since then.

The "Grandmother and Grandfather" of Rock Medicine healing are nephrite jade and amber....

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:36:59 pm
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Snort......chuckle chuckle. The Emerald Tablets of Thoth, snicker snicker. Yup, they existed all right....in the mind of someone with a very fertile imagination. There are no actual ancient references to this mystery book. The whole matter blew into being during the 1800s.Site me some authenic ancient references; and not by nonexistant ancient scholars or quasi-wizards.Then maybe I'll change my mind. Maybe Thoth ruled Lemuria. Would make sense since Lemuria was dreamed up by early 1800s scientists to explain the existance of related lemurs that were seperated by a sizeable body of water (Madagascar to India).
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:37:25 pm
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A good link on the history of the emerald tablet


http://www.alchemylab.com/hyper_history.htm
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:37:52 pm
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2. A variety of versions of the Emerald Table.

2.1 Two Arabic versions : Jabir and Balinas.

The first version was found by Holmyard in 1923 in the Second Book of the Element of the Foundation,
attributed to Jabir. It dates from the 8th century AD.

2.2 The Latin version of Kunrath.

The Latin text probably first appeared in Europe in editions of the Secretum Secretorum, the Latin
translation of the Book of Advice to Kings (Kitab Sirr al-Asar) by Johannes Hispalensis ca.1140 and by
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:38:20 pm
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Jenni,
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:38:55 pm
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Rock, emeralds are a shamen stone that I use a lot. If used correctly, I think they actually help people sort of "tune in" to the Thoth vib. I usually use them in combination with Bloodstone; the truth stone and a stone of great Universal energy and protection, and red jasper which helps step all that hyperdimensional stuff that's out there into information that is specifically tuned to the needs of earth.

Thoth was very smart, you know, And he just wouldn't have named them "the emerald tablets" unless he was leaving us some very big hints.  :)

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:39:27 pm
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Kitty,

Sorry, I am not into metaphysics with the stones. Any way to prove the uses you mention?

I know that emerald heals the spinal chord. I've seen it work. I know that bloodstone heals HIV.

"Remember that the use of stones in ancient times is different now as all vibration, planet wide, has shifted many times since then."

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:39:59 pm
 
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Rock, I don’t use or think of stones the way most metaphysical people do. Do I think emeralds can cure back pain, or bloodstone cure diseases of the blood? No, not necessarily. I mean they could. It's possible, but that's not why I use stones.

I am a lot more scalar in my concepts than that. All crystalline and microcrystalline substances put out a specific and known wave form when subjected to either piezoelectric or pyroelectric stimulation. Basically, each stone produces it’s own radio wave or frequency, just like all matter does. Milikan proved that way back in 1953 when he won the Nobel Prize for physics.

I think of the specific frequency connected with stones as radio waves that are agreed upon tools of focus. If the energy or entity that was Thoth, for instance, is still somehow “out there” in the hyperdimensions of Universal All That Is, then it stands to reason that the entity that is Thoth would choose to work through emeralds as an agreed upon tool of focus for his wisdoms. And Thoth would have understood these concepts, because Thoth was one hyperdimensional dude. He was undoubtedly the Nikola Tesla of the gods, so if anybody understood the way scalar works, it was surely Thoth. He was brilliant.

Now could the wisdom that Thoth knew be used for very negative things? Yes, I think it could. There are a whole lot of very dark, evil, and controlling things one can do with Tesla physics, and there are plenty of people in various militaries exploring those concepts now. One might actually think of Thoth as the godfather of scalar physics. He was that profound, but scalar has both its good side and it’s bad side, and probably nobody knows that better than Thoth. In fact, he’s got quite an archaeological history in that area.

I basically want to understand how to use science and physics for good things, not bad things, so when I am trying to understand Thoth-like concepts I will often hold or wear emeralds, for no other reason than I think the radio wave emeralds put out is Thoth’s agreed upon tool of focus. Now Thoth energy, like Tesla energy can be used for evil, and that’s not where I want to go. If one doesn't want to focus on how to use these high sciences for very bad things, then it’s important to “fine tune” the energy or information that can come through emeralds so we “connect” to the healing and good things that might come from Thoth’s wisdom. To do that means you combine emerald energy with the energy of Bloodstone. Why? Because that’s also an agreed upon tool of focus for hyperdimensional information, and bloodstone acts to block frequencies or information that could be tuned to the dark side. Bloodstone is there to protect people when they wish to explore the hyperdimensions. I use red jasper because it is the agreed upon tool of focus that helps step down hyperdimensional information to frequencies that are healing and good for the earth and her people. There's no point, for instance, in absorbing universal information specifically meant for Andromeda. Any world in that constellation would have a completely different set of natural laws.

I simply think of the stones as tools of focus for hyperdimensional communication, and a way to “connect” to the pool of information we define as All That Is. Stones are used universally as agreed upon tools of focus simply because stones speak in the universal primordial language of electrical frequency, and that’s the one language all matter understands and responds to.

If you folks on this thread want to “tune in” to the good side of the Thoth frequency, then hold or wear emerald, bloodstone and jasper, and the combined frequency simply helps tune your own auric field so that you can understand the Thoth wisdom as it applies to the highest and best things one might do with his information field. That energy or information will somehow become known to your own subconscious mind, because it responds to those frequencies to. Ultimately that information "trickles down" to the consious mind and it transcribes or "downloads" that information at the highest level you are personally capable of percieving.

It probably sounds crazy to you, but “frequency” as an agreed upon tool of focus is the universal language, and stone frequencies are simply the way to “tune” to the information field you are looking to explore. I use a small, tabletop phi pyramid model (angle is 73 degrees) to load a stone with a pyroelectric charge, and then use the stones whenever I am trying to focus or learn something specific. Thoth is an ancient energy field. To connect to him, one has got to at least understand some of the basic principals in the universal transference of information. The ancients understood this, and that’s why stones and crystals played such an important role in our mythologies.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:40:35 pm
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Hey there, Boreasi! Jennifer got them from a few inches above on this same page of my earlier posts. They are, near as I can tell, the most detailed histories of the Emerald Tablet. The full quote reads:


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2. A variety of versions of the Emerald Table.

2.1 Two Arabic versions : Jabir and Balinas.

The first version was found by Holmyard in 1923 in the Second Book of the Element of the Foundation,
attributed to Jabir. It dates from the 8th century AD.

"Balinas mentions the engraving on a table in the hand of Hermes, which says :

'Truth ! Certainty ! That in which there is no doubt ! That which is above is from that which is below, and
that which is below is from that which is above, working the miracles of one. As all things were from one. Its
father is the Sun and its mother the Moon. The Earth carried it in her belly, and the Wind nourished it in her
belly, as Earth which shall become Fire. Feed the Earth from that which is subtle, with the greatest power. It
ascends from the Earth to the heaven and becomes ruler over that which is above and that which is
below.'
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Then we have the Latin version:


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2.2 The Latin version of Kunrath.

The Latin text probably first appeared in Europe in editions of the Secretum Secretorum, the Latin
translation of the Book of Advice to Kings (Kitab Sirr al-Asar) by Johannes Hispalensis ca.1140 and by
Philip of Tripoli in ca.1243. Other translations may have been made during the same period (by Plato of
Tivoli, Hugh of Santalla and others). Albertus Magnus (Book of Minerals) mentions the Tabula. The version
chosen here, was published by Kunrath in 1609.
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How about some Latin, you say?


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"Verba Secretorum Hermetis.

Verum sine mendacio, certum et verissimum : quod est inferius est sicut quod est superius ; et quod est
superius est sicunt quod est inferius, ad perpetranda miracula rei unius. Et sicut omnes res fuerunt ab uno,
mediatione unius, sic omnes res natæ fuerunt ab hac una readaptione (var. per conjunctionem). Pater jeus
est Sol ; mater ejus Luna, portavit illud Ventus in ventre suo ; nutrix ejus Terra est. Pater omnis telesmi
totius mundi est hic. Vis ejus integra est, si versa fuerit in terram (var. si versa fuerit / si mutetur). Separabis
terram ab igne, subtile a spisso, suaviter, cum magno ingenio. Ascendit a terra in coelum, interumque
descendit in terram, et recepit vim superiorum et inferiorum. Sic habebis gloriam totius mundi. Ideo fugiet a
te omnis obscuritas. Hic est totius fortitudinis fortitudo fortis ; quia vincet omnem rem subtilem, omnemque
solidam penetrabit. Sic mundus creatus est. Hinc erunt adaptiones mirabiles, quarum modus est hic.

Itaque vocatus sum Hermes Trismegistus, habens tres partes philosophiæ totius mundi. Completum est
quod dixi de operatione Solis (var. de magisterio solis)."
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Kunrath, H. : Amphitheatrum Sapientiæ Æternæ, Hanau, 1609, plate of the Emerald Table.

I will dig up the link if I ever have the time.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:41:41 pm
 
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Originally posted by Brig:
Snort......chuckle chuckle. The Emerald Tablets of Thoth, snicker snicker. Yup, they existed all right....in the mind of someone with a very fertile imagination. There are no actual ancient references to this mystery book. The whole matter blew into being during the 1800s.Site me some authenic ancient references; and not by nonexistant ancient scholars or quasi-wizards.Then maybe I'll change my mind. Maybe Thoth ruled Lemuria. Would make sense since Lemuria was dreamed up by early 1800s scientists to explain the existance of related lemurs that were seperated by a sizeable body of water (Madagascar to India).
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This may be true.

http://www.marsearthconnection.com/civilizations2.html

A large, sophisticated civilization equal to Sumeria and Mesopotamia and thriving at the same time at least 5,000 years ago was lost in the harsh desert sands of the Soviet Union near the Iran and Afghanistan borders...No American archaeologist had been there since 1904 when New Hampshire archaeologist and geologist, Raphael Pumpelly, discovered ancient ruins at Anau in southern Turkmenistan near Iran. But the Soviets did not develop the Anau site. In the 1970s, Soviet archaeologists working west of Afghanistan reported vastruins, all built with the same distinct pattern of a central building surrounded by a series of walls...

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Although I find the idea of emerald tablets and their contents fascinating, I'm afraid that's all they are,an idea.
Did anyone ever find very large emeralds? the bigest ones I've heard of are about the size of an egg. how can you fashion them into tablets and engrave on them? You would need diamond cutting tools.
If they indeed exist and are dated back to antiquity it would be proof of superior technology.
So why hide them?
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:42:59 pm
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People keep forgetting, they needn't have been made of emeralds at all, but were simply the color of emerald, green.

Both Libya and Egypt have vitified green rock lying upon it's deserts. From whence this came, no one knows (except that it would take extreme heat to produce such a thing). The rock has the consituency of shale, which is large and quite easy to write upon.

Everything about the tablets is plausible. History is filled with references to things that no longer exist but once did. We don't doubt their existence because we have more than one reference for most of those things. We have more than one reference for the Emerald Tablets of Thoth, too, but the reason why so many doubt they're existence is because they mention Thoth came from Atlantis.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:43:48 pm
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Tx, Ian. Kind a` important, since the text is rather intriueging...
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And while there may or may not be the right materials in Egypt, we don't really know too much about what they had in Atlantis
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There is no physical proof that the so called emerald tablets ever existed.
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There's also no physical proof that the Colossus of Rhodes, then Hanging Gardens of Babylon, the Statue of Zeus, the Temple of Artemis or most of the other ancient wonders ever existed either, we know of their existence, though, from the ancient writers:


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As a divine fountain of writing, Hermes Trismegistus was credited with tens of thousands of writings, of immense antiquity and high standing. Plato's Timaeus and Critias state that in the temple of Neith at Sais, there were secret halls containing historical records which had been kept for 9,000 years. Clement of Alexandria was under the impression that the Egyptians had forty-two sacred writings by Hermes, encapsulating all the training of Egyptian priests. Siegfried Morenz has suggested (Egyptian Religion) "The reference to Thoth's authorship...is based on ancient tradition; the figure forty-two probably stems from the number of Egyptian nomes, and thus conveys the notion of completeness." The Neo-Platonic writers took up Clement's "forty-two essential texts".

During the Middle Ages and the Renaissance, the writings attributed to Hermes Trismegistus, known as the Hermetica enjoyed great credit and were popular among alchemists. The "hermetic tradition" therefore refers to alchemy, magic, astrology and related subjects. The texts are usually distinguished in two categories the "philosophical" and "technical" hermetica. The former deals mainly with issues of philosophy, and the latter with magic, potions and alchemy. Among other things there are spells to magically protect objects, hence the origin of the term "Hermetically sealed".

The texts that were traditionally written at the dawn of time, the classical scholar Isaac Casaubon in De Rebus sacris et ecclesiaticis exercitiones XVI (1614) showed, by the character of the Greek, to be more recent: most of the "philosophical" Corpus Hermeticum can be dated to around AD 300.
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Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:52:45 pm
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Textual History

The oldest documentable source for the text is the Kitab Sirr al-Asrar, a pseudo-Aristotelian compendium of advice for rulers authored by Abd al-Qadir al-Jilani in around 800 AD. This work was translated into Latin as Secretum Secretorum (The Secret of Secrets) by Johannes "Hispalensis" or Hispaniensis (John of Seville) ca. 1140 and by Philip of Tripoli c. 1243.


In the 14th century, the alchemist Ortolanus wrote a substantial exegesis on "The Secret of Hermes," which was influential on the subsequent development of alchemy. Many manuscripts of this copy of the Emerald Tablet and the commentary of Ortolanus survive, dating at least as far back as the 15th century.

The Tablet has also been found appended to manuscripts of the Kitab Ustuqus al-Uss al-Thani (Second Book of the Elements of Foundation) attributed to Jabir ibn Hayyan, and the Kitab Sirr al-Khaliqa wa San`at al-Tabi`a (Book of the Secret of Creation and the Art of Nature), dated between 650 and 830 AD.

Influence
In its several Western recensions, the Tablet became a mainstay of medieval and Renaissance alchemy. Commentaries and/or translations were published by, among others, Trithemius, Roger Bacon, Michael Maier, Aleister Crowley, Albertus Magnus, and Isaac Newton.

C.G. Jung identified "The Emerald Tablet" with a table made of green stone which he encountered in the first of a set of his dreams and visions beginning at the end of 1912, and climaxing in his writing the Seven Sermons to the Dead in 1916.

Because of its longstanding popularity, the Emerald Tablet is the only piece of non-Greek Hermetica to attract widespread attention in the West.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Tablet
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:53:39 pm
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So anyway, the style of language dates it to 300 ad, while the earliest Arab copy dates to 800 ad. We have the first Latin translation at about 1140, with Isaac Newton and all those other guys making their own translations later.

Sure, the original Emerald Tablet is no longer with us, but neither are Plato or Aristotle's original writings and that hasn't kept us from studying them.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 09:54:18 pm
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Sometimes I wonder Chronos,
using GOOGLE EARTH,
and looking WEST of the Great Pyramid
to the Roash hills of birth,
appear a magnificient labyrinth of lines.

Further left, you'll see
large Circular lines so divine,
arranged as such, a library would
to preserve the age of time.

Tis tru to know the Rose line
to the sun of shadow and light
can a man walk upon the labyrinth
with a book held tight in his might.

and he shall call his book,The Book of Thoth-Riv.

http://www.mts.net/~perasa/Roash%20Labyrinth_Thoth%20Roseline_Riven05.jpg

http://www.mts.net/~perasa/Great%20Pyramid%20enhanced_Riven3.jpg

http://www.mts.net/~perasa/Great%20Pyramid%20Stone%20Plug_Riven05.bmp

http://www.mts.net/~perasa/

Happy NewYear Veronica and Ian.

Thanks for the wonderful wisdom.

Peace and Prosperity for the ages of Time.   :)
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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As for people saying there are no emeralds is Egypt:

It's called trading. *rolls eyes* If I'm not mistakened Thoth is mentioned in my Western Civilization textbook, so 9 times out of 10 the tablets are authentic. We're so quick to believe that the Colossus of Rhodes existed, documentation or not.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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It wouldn't have been one of the Seven Wonders of the World if it hadn't of existed. The only only matter for dispute is the pose it had.

But the emerald tablets of Thoth didn't have to be made out of emeralds actually, anything green could have done just as well.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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There is a record of Arabic traders selling off salvaged pieces of the Colossus of Rhodes. As Pandora pointed out; its on several records. On the other hand show me one piece of evidence that the Emerald Tablets ever existed. Other than new age clap trap, that is. As far as emerald mines in Egypt ever existing in ancient times; there was one. From what explorers were able to put together the stones would be rated rather poor quality by todays standards. The mine was in a very hostile, hot, arid region even for Egypt and was not worked for a very long period of time. But keep in mind there are better quality emeralds in more southern regions of Africa that could have found their way to Egypt through trade.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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Is it possible that Jade was what the tablets were actually made from and South America was where they were made?

There are pyramids there too you know.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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possibly but I think Jade is more in the East where they could have traded. South America is a possibility too.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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There is a lot of nephrite jade in the Hindu Kush range Afghanistan to Pakistan....

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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My camels won't breed.

Is there anything in the Emerald Tablets of Thoth that refer to camel husbandry?

Thank you for any assistance.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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LOL IG it sounds like you poor camels might need some vodka.

After about 2 or 3 shots, I'm sure that everything in the barn will start looking better.

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Neko and rock-

I only suggest jade because it seems more probable that tablets with texts would be easier to establish on jade.

I probably shouldn't assume this because there are skulls made from a single peice of quartz that were made from ancients hands. I'm not sure that we can even duplicate this.
Thinking about it more it seems that the ancient world's mysteries will not be easy to resurface.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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Iron Dragon have you tried "Play Camel" magazine? Or maybe a lot of ****. On a more serious note: There is much jade in Africa and China. It would not have to come from South America. Did you know that scientists can now run tests on jade and tell you within a couple hundred miles where it come from?
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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I didn't know that. Does these tests include how the jade was made and thats how they know where it's from? It would put a spin on things to find a sample of these tablets. It would atleast confirm their composure.

I'm confident that if they are made of jade. that it would have to be a very high grade of jade to be called emerald.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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I wasn't aware the tablets of Thoth were still, if ever, in existance. I was given the information by a gemologist.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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Well Brig just like the ark of the covenent, spear of fate, and the second sphinx.

It's as likely they did exist as it is unlikely.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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As based on what paranorm. The Ark of the Covenant has a rather long ancient history. The Spear of Fate, being the spear thrust into the side of the Christ, definitely existed at the time of the crucifixion; but the spear would hardly have been seperated from the many weapons used by the romans; thus I doubt it has a history that can actually trace it back. The second Sphinx is something that has only recently popped up and from what source? The Emerald tablets tale only appears to go back to the early 1900s. What is its original source?
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Recently, archaeologists announced an important find has been brought to light, a major series of tombs found in the Valley of the Kings, the burial vaults of the sons of Ramses II. What is amazing is that previously, the Valley had been thoroughly searched for almost a century, and was thought to be completely exhausted for any further investigation. That a find of such major proportions could have eluded so many Egyptologists, including Howard Carter, the discoverer of the tomb of Tutankhamen in the same Valley, goes to show that the land of the Nile still has many secrets. What else, we may well ask, lurks below the sands?

For untold centuries both historical and esoteric sources have passed down stories of a forgotten time-capsule of Ancient Wisdom, far greater in importance than the golden treasures of Tutankhamen. The various accounts speak of chambers located beneath the Great Pyramid and the Sphinx at Giza, filled with a technological legacy left by lost advanced civilizations older than Egypt itself. Along with the stories are also preserved a number of prophecies foretelling who, when and how the vanished time-capsule will be opened.


The Messages in Stone
Our search begins with several stone stelae or tablets from the Middle and New Kingdom periods (between 4,000 and 3,000 years old), found in the vicinity of the Sphinx, which show the great animal reclining on top of a high pedestal surmounted by a cornice. One ancient artist, a Twelfth Dynasty scribe named Mentu-her, made sure his viewers knew his subject matter was the Great Sphinx and not other sphinxes found along the Nile, by drawing in the Pyramids in perspective in the background, a technique very rarely seen in Egyptian art.

Seven other stelae go further, and show a door on the side of the pedestal. The famous Stele of Thutmose IV, located between the paws of the Sphinx, likewise depicts at its top the Sphinx Iying upon an understructure, with a doorway clearly seen. Finally, on yet another stele, made by an official named Nezem, and now kept in the Louvre, there is clearly depicted a flight of six steps leading to the door.

Conservative scholars have attempted to explain the pedestal as simply a representation of the nearby Temple of the Sphinx, because from a front view perspective the Sphinx does look like it sits on its roof. But this illusion can only be seen from the front and on the surface. The ancient artists, on the other hand, depicted the pedestal from the side and from below.

In the 1930's, the sands around the Sphinx were finally completely cleared away, and we now know that the ancient monument rests firmly on bedrock. But the bedrock itself may have been the pedestal the Egyptian artists had in mind. And deep below somewhere along the southern side may yet be discovered the six steps and doorway, the entrance to secret hollowed out chambers undisturbed.

An important early Egyptian source that tells us much about the Hall of Records is called the Building Texts, found among the hieroglyph inscriptions on the inner enclosure wall of the temple of Horus at Edfu, in the heart of southern Egypt. The Building Texts refer to a number of now lost documents, grouped together into what was called The Sacred Book of Temples, which gave a history and description of the major shrines along the Nile from a very remote period. These were first established by a group of creator-entities called the Shebtiw, who were associated with the god Divine Heart or Thoth, the Egyptian deity of Wisdom.

According to the Building Texts, the sacred books and power objects were eventually placed back inside the bw-hmn or Hall, and the Shebtiw sealed the entrance, constructed a new enclosure about it, and erected power staffs and pillars outside to protect its secrets, hidden away again from all but its guardians. The site thereafter became known as bw-hmr, the Place of the Throne of the Soul, regarded as the location where only the highest Initiations were performed.

In another Egyptian text, known today as the Westcar Papyrus, which bears evidence of dating to the Fourth Dynasty, is the story of an enigmatic sage named Djeda who could not only perform miraculous feats of magic, but who also possessed certain information concerning what he called the secret chambers of the books of Thoth. In the narrative, Djeda told Pharaoh Khufu the location of specific keys that will one day open the hidden place, which he described as follows: In the city of Ani (Heliopolis) is a temple called the House of Sapti, referring to Septi, the fifth Pharaoh of the First Dynasty, who reigned about 3000 B.C. Within the temple is a special library room where the scrolls of inventory are kept. The walls of this room are made of sandstone blocks, and either within or behind one of these blocks is a secret niche containing a small box made of flint or whetstone. It is within this box that the ipwt-seals or keys that will open the secret chambers of Thoth, the Hall of Records, may still be hidden.

When Khufu asked Djeda to bring these keys to him, the sage replied he did not have the power to do so, but prophesied that he who some day would find the keys would be one of three sons born to Rad-dedet, the wife of the chief priest of Ra in Heliopolis, Lord of Sakhbu (the second Lower Egyptian nome or district in the Nile Delta), and that the three would be born on the 15th day of the month of Tybi (our October-November).

Now it is generally interpreted that the three mentioned were the first three Pharaohs of the succeeding Fifth Dynasty. But because much of Egyptian literature is multi-leveled in its symbolism, there is reason to believe that a more hidden meaning may have been intended, that the three enigmatic brothers may also be those yet future individuals who will one day find and open the Hall of Records.

Today, many portions of the old city of Heliopolis are still buried and unexcavated, silently resting underneath the expanding suburbs of Cairo. The secret of the House of Septi may yet await discovery.


Ancient Tales
Interpreter of ancient languages Zecharia Sitchin cites a hymn composed in the Eighteenth Dynasty which speaks of the god Amun taking on the functions of the heavenly Harakhty (the Sphinx) who attains perception in his heart, command on his lips as he enters the two caverns which are under his (the Sphinx's) feet. The command of Amun is then placed into the writings of Thoth, the god of Hidden Knowledge and Initiation.

The famed Greek historian Herodotus, in 443 B.C., recorded after his visit to Egypt that extending beneath and in all directions far beyond the pyramid whereon great figures are graven is a vast labyrinth, and a way into it underground.

In the Corpus Hermeticum, a body of treatises compiled from older materials toward the beginning of the Christian era, we find in one of these works, the Virgin of the World, these words:

The sacred symbols of the cosmic elements, the secrets of Osiris, were hidden carefully. Hermes (the Greek equivalent to Thoth), before his return to Heaven, invoked a spell on them, and said, O holy books which have been made by my immortal hands, by incorruption's magic spell remain free from decay throughout eternity and incorrupt by time. Become unseeable, unfindable, from everyone whose foot shall tread the plains of this land, until old Heaven shall bring instruments for you, whom the Creator shall call His souls. Thus spake he, and laying the spells on them by means of his works, he shut them safe away in their rooms. And long has been the time since they were hid away.

The Roman Marcellinus, in the 4th century, stated: There are certain subterranean galleries and passages full of windings beneath the pyramids which, it is said, the adepts in the ancient rites (knowing that the flood was coming, and fearing that the memory of the sacred ceremonies would be obliterated), constructed vaults in various places, mining them out of the ground with great labor. And upon leveled walls they engraved the hieroglyphic characters.

Marcellinus contemporary, Iamblichus, wrote a treatise on the Mysteries of the Egyptians, and described the Initiation associated with the Sphinx. In a secret location between the paws of the feline monument, he said, is a bronze door, its opening triggered by a hidden spring. Beyond it, the neophytes went into a circular room. From this point on, they were subject to a series of trials to become full members among the Initiates, eventually reaching Masterhood.

In similar fashion, the tenth century Coptic chronicler Al Masudi observed from earlier accounts that in the area of the Sphinx were subterranean doorways to the Giza monuments: One entered the pyramid through a vaulted underground passage 100 cubits or more long; each pyramid had such a door and entry.

In later centuries, the medieval Arab chronicler Firouzabadi noted that the chambers of the Sphinx were constructed at the same time as the Great Pyramid: The Pyramid was erected by Esdris (Hermes or Thoth), to preserve there the sciences, to prevent their destruction. And also, the first priests, by observations of the stars, preserved records of medicine, magic and talismans elsewhere. Likewise, Ibn Abd Alhokim, who told the story of the antediluvian king Salhouk's dream of the Flood and his building of the Pyramid to save wisdom, also recounted that Salhouk dug a vault nearby the Pyramid, filling it with all manners of works on mathematics, astronomy and physics: And they built gates (entrances) of it forty cubits underground, with foundations of massive stones from the Ethiopians, and fastened them together with lead and iron. When Salhouk was finished, he covered it with colored marble from top to bottom and he appointed a solemn festival, at which were present all the inhabitants of the kingdom.

The Jewish historian Josephus recorded further that Enoch built an underground temple of nine vaults, one beneath the other, placing within tablets of gold. His son, Methuselah, also worked on the project, putting in the brick walls of the vaults according to his father's plan. As Manly P. Hall noted, the Freemasons predict that someday a man will locate this buried vault, and that he will be an initiate after the order of Enoch.


Prophetic Code
Ever since two centuries ago when Sir Isaac Newton took a special interest in the sacred geometry of the Great Pyramid, and speculated that its inner labyrinth of tunnels and chambers was a prophecy calendar in stone, a host of scholars who have attempted to elaborate on this idea, and crack the Pyramid's prophetic code.

In correlation with the prophecy inside the Great Pyramid, the nearby Sphinx may hold its own symbology of past and future happenings. According to ancient Egyptian and Coptic traditions, one of the earlier forms of the Sphinx, before it was carved into its present configuration, is that it had the front paws of a lion, the back legs and tail of a bull, the face of a human, and along its sides where today one can see the remains of stone incendiary boxes, fires were lit at night to give the Sphinx the appearance of having the flaming wings of an eagle.

Lion. Bull. Human. Eagle. We have here not only the Four Beings before the throne of the Divine as described in the Books of Ezekiel and the Revelations, but we also have here the four Fixed signs of the Zodiac, Leo, Taurus, Aquarius and Scorpio.

Most significantly, in the Precession of the Equinoxes, the distant Age of Leo 12,000 years ago saw the burial of the Hall of Records beneath the Sphinx's front paws. Recent archaeological and geologic surveys conducted by John Anthony West and Robert Schoch have demonstrated that the Sphinx does indeed date to such a remote time period.

Today we have just entered the Age of Aquarius, and the face of the Sphinx symbolizes the face of global humanity joined in one mind and one heart, the goal of evolving Aquarian civilization.

Another 6,000 years into the future will complete the Sphinx's prophecy in the distant Age of Scorpio, when perhaps humanity's spiritual evolution will be complete. The flaming wings of the Sphinx may be more than just that of an eagle; they may signify the fire of the Phoenix, the higher form of Scorpio that epitomizes its central themes of death and transfiguration. It is striking to note that the Pyramid's time line ending in the 83rd century will also fall in the Age of Scorpio.

Another theory sees the Sphinx embodying not only the four Fixed signs, but more specific astrological locations which Philip Sedgwick in his book Astrology of Deep Space identifies as the Four Points of Avatar, found at 14 degrees of Leo, Taurus, Aquarius and Scorpio. There are those students of the Egyptian Mysteries who believe that when all Four Points of Avatar will be triggered by planetary configurations, this may be a cosmic key for opening the doorway into the Sphinx's forgotten secrets.

Significantly, the next occurrence will take place on August 6, 1999. Will this presage the opening of the hidden Hall of Records? After that, the only other Four Points of Avatar hits to take place in the foreseeable future will be from May 4-14, 2003; November 6-11, 2005; and January 2-10, 2006.


The Visionaries
America's most famous psychic, Edgar Cayce, who lived from 1877 to 1945, saw in vision that at the same time the Great Pyramid was being built over 12,000 years ago, other activities were underway to preserve books of knowledge. The hiding place for these books Cayce variously described as the hall of records yet to be uncovered, a storehouse of records, a time-capsule, a small tomb or pyramid, the pyramid of unknown origins as yet, the holy mount yet to be uncovered. As to which direction from the Sphinx the Hall lies, the seer specified in several trances that it is between that monument and the Nile river, toward the east, as the sun rises from the waters, the line of the shadow (or light) falls between the paws of the Sphinx.

Renowned as France's most famous seer, Nostradamus in 1558 published the completed edition of his book of prophecies, Les Vrayes Centuries, The True Centuries. The book was composed of 969 prophetic quatrains or four-lined poetic verses, all purposely written cryptically as a defense against the Inquisition of his day, who took a dim view of all forms of forecasting.

Despite the obscuring of his words, many of Nostradamus prophetic verses have seen their fulfillment to a remarkable degree of accuracy, describing such twentieth century events as the World Wars, the landing of a man on the Moon, and even such modem happenings of the 1990s as the fall of Communism in Russia, the end of the Cold War, the Gulf War, the reunification of Germany, plus the rise of global pollution and the AIDS epidemic.

Nostradamus also left behind a significant group of verses which, once we work out the seer's puzzling cryptics, offers us invaluable information about the coming opening of the lost Hall of Records in Egypt.

Here's one example:


They will come to discover the hidden topography of the land (at Giza),

The urns holding wisdom within the monuments (the Pyramids) opened up,

Their contents will cause the understanding of holy philosophy to expand greatly,

White exchanged for black, falsehoods exposed, new wisdom replacing the established tradition that no longer work. VII,14.


The Message From the Past to the Future
When we look at the sum total of information from both historical and psychic sources regarding the Hall of Records, we find some remarkable correlations. These include: its location (below and around the Sphinx), age (at least twelve millennia old), identity of its builder (Thoth-Hermes), purposes (a storehouse and Initiation site), descriptions of its contents (advanced wisdom and science), the number of its future openers (three), the circumstances of its re-discovery (found by spiritual intuition), and the coming time-frame when it could possibly be brought to light (between 1999 and 2012).

Most modern conservative Egyptologists believe that the Hall of Records is nothing more than a mere myth or fable, because its existence does not fit into currently acceptable views of ancient history. Yet the stubborn persistence of the story of the lost Hall through the millennia, plus the consistency of its description and the integrity of the many sources testifying to its reality, suggests there is something very substantial to the story, that it may be based on fact. Perhaps very soon, within the next fifteen years if the prophecies are right, we will be able to agree with Egyptologist Gerald Massey, who wrote: Someday what we thought was myth will be found to contain the true history of the past, while what we always regarded as history will be relegated to a myth of our own making.

Finding of the Hall of Records will no doubt catalyze the transformation of everything we know about the past, and in so doing, will also revolutionize how we will enter the future ahead. The lost time-capsule from the past may be destined to change the very nature of time itself, as we know it.


Copyright 1995. Joseph Robert Jochmans. All rights reserved. Excerpted from Joseph's book, Time-Capsule: the Search for the Lost Hall of Records in Ancient Egypt.

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This is the best I could turn up for you brig.
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It establishes a history for the Hall of Records. Which, I think, have been sought for some time, excluding Edgar Cayce. Interesting reading, none the less. What we do not know of our past far exceeds what we do know.
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I completely agree Brig...
As an optimist, I beleive that what the past can teach us far exceeds what we know about tomarrow.
I would love to paint a picture of my theory on this. Instead I think I will offer an insightful opinion that might contribute more in an on topic way. I know your not one to get into all the mysticism involved in these ancient legends.
The interesting thing is Dr. Hawass refuses to let American and UK groups on the platue with ground penetrating sonar.
What is the problem?

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DR. DOREAL'S TRANSLATION
Dr. Doreal, who has a connection with the Great White Lodge, which also works through the Pyramid Priest-hood, was instructed to recover and return to the Great Pyramid, these Ancient Tablets. This was accomplished, but before returning them, Doreal was given permission to translate and retain a copy of the wisdom engraved on the Tablets. This was done in 1925, and now, permission has been given for this translation by Doreal to be published solely through the

Brotherhood of the White Temple. This is the only authorized, original and true rendition of these Emerald Tablets. It is expected that many will scoff, yet the true student will read between the lines and gain wisdom. If the light is in you, the light which is engraved in the Tablets will respond.

THOTH, THE ATLANTEAN
When Thoth, the Atlantean and Master raised the people of Khem (Egypt) to a great civilization, and when the time came for him to leave Egypt, he erected The Great Pyramid over the entrance of the Great Halls of Amenti. In the Pyramid, he posited his records and appointed Guards for his secrets from among the highest of his people.


In later times, the descendants of these guards became the Pyramid Priests, while Thoth was deified as the God of Wisdom, the Recorder, by those in the age of darkness which followed his passing. In legend, the Halls of Amenti became the underworld, the Halls of the Gods, where the soul passed after death for judgment.
During later ages, the ego of Thoth passed into the bodies of men in the manner described in The Emerald Tablets, a Book of Record and Occult Wisdom which he wrote and left in the Pyramid for those of a future Age of Light.

THE TABLETS
His writings consist of twelve Tablets of Emerald Green formed from a substance created through alchemical transmutation. They are imperishable, resistant to all elements, corrosion and acids. In effect, the atomic and cellular structure is fixed, and no change can take place, thus violating the material law of ionization.
Upon them are engraved characters in the Ancient Atlantean language; characters which respond to the attuned thought waves of the reader and which release much more wisdom and information than the characters do when merely deciphered. The Tablets are fastened together with hoops of a golden colored alloy suspended from a rod of the same material.

Dr. Doreal has translated this Work, and has published through the Brotherhood of the White Temple, a translation of ten of these twelve Tablets. He has divided the ten into thirteen parts for the sake of convenience. The last two Tablets are found in the "Interpretation of The Emerald Tablets", also by Dr. Doreal.

In The Emerald Tablets are found secrets which will prove of inestimable value to the serious student. The following is an excerpt taken from this work
"A Long time ago I, in my childhood, lay neath the stars on long buried Atlantis, dreaming of mysteries far above men. Then in my heart, grew there a great longing to conquer the pathway that led to the Stars. Year after year I sought after wisdom, seeking new knowledge, following the way, until at last my soul, in great travail, broke from its bondage of earth-man. Free from the body, I flashed through the night. Unlocked at last for me was the star-space; free was I from the bondage of night. Now to the end of space sought I wisdom, far beyond knowledge of finite man".

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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Emerald Tablets of Thoth say a spaceship is under giza platueu

now given that these tablets are by some miracle authentic, they indicate the Thoth(the egyption god of wisdom) left a spaceship under the giza plateau. could this be what the egyption government is hiding? according to the tablets the ship is buried right beneath where a passage ends in a dead end. Under the great Pyramid there is a passage way fitting this description. In the Tablets it says that invaders will come from the deep and what is buried in egypt will help you defeat them. any thoughts?

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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Now with these things posted above, how would you disprove what is being implied?

Atlantis; Did they have the ability to travel to the stars?

The Tablets; Were they written by the hand of an Egyptian or Atlantean?

The teachings; Why don't we have these translations from the tablets if they really do exist? Unless something was found that the world is not allowed to know.

This is what drives me to understand this..
If these tablets exist then it seems reasonable that Atlantis may have been real.
With those two things in mind, what threat to national security what come from the truth being revealed?
This is what slays me Brig.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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Sorry, but what you have just revealed sounds very "new age" to me. Just my opinion, mind you. Personally, I doubt that Atlantis ever advanced much beyond our own cultures of the Renaissance. These people who read all of this mystical magical mumbo-jumbo into the legend of Atlantis is simply allowing their very fertile imaginations ran rampant. Romanticizing the lost city is well and good for novelists and writers of escapism fantasy; but it won't help solve the mystery. The Hall of Records probably does exist in some form and you can bet your bippy, Zavi isn't gonna let any nonegyptian in on it if he can help it. The only thing he places ahead of himself is national pride.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 10:13:24 pm
 
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Ahhh you then beleive he is hiding something then? No?

Another thing Hawass loves to beleive is that all the minds and hands are Egyptian origion.
Pharoh seems to be why this was erected and only one face has ever been on the Sphinx...

Brig, I can't be sure here but I'm under the impression that this is not what you beleive personally...

Moving ahead-

The one thing that seems we all do agree to some level or another is that something isn't being revealed. No conspiracy theory!
Just something that isn't being said when you see The Director of ancient antiquities in Egypt, is looking for a greater political response to this from the world.

No word of any political preasure from any major world powers yet.
Then again, from what we have heard about a shadow goverment, ya never know! LOL

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 10:13:58 pm
 
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Much like Sammy Sosa, Zawi is all about Zawi!

He is the Sammy Sosa of the Egyptology set!!

Great article from Jochmans, ParaNormalIAm! He is a very under-rated researcher, wonder whatever happened to him..?

Anyway, as I pointed our way back when, the Emerald Tablet of Thoth didn't literally need to be made of emeralds! Egypt and Libya are both littered with vitrified green glass. Everything I've seen on the Emerald Tablet would seem to suggest that's what it was made of!   ;)
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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Psycho, we should E-mail Zawi Hawass.....
The more lies he tells the more he will have to come up with to hide the truth.  8)

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Para,

Have you ever seen the Dream Stela? It clearly shows two sphinxes, each one sitting on top of house!

What does this mean? Well, first place, there may well have been two sphinxes originally (the Inventory Stela does make mention that one was destroyed by lighning).

Second, the house signifies not one secret chamber, but two. Like so many things in this world, it's so clear it's staring us right in the face, but Zawi's explanation for this is that it is simply another hieroglyph. Hieroglyph my a@@!

This guy is a hack!

He won't let anyone into investigate the first secret chamber (that has been found) nor will he let anyone with a theory that runs contrary to current opinion investigate it. West, Schoch, Hancock, all have been banned from the site.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 10:15:24 pm
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No I do not believe the present face on the Sphinx is either the original nor do I think it was Cephren. I suspect the original face was Leo the lion. The present face is out of proportion with the rest of the body. Something ancient Egyptians did not commonly do. Do I think Zawi is hiding something? I suspect he is hiding a lot; but how do you force his hand? He can pass anything but a camera; but if he suspected something was preEgyptian or non egyptian you can bet he would sit on it.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 10:16:43 pm
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More like bury it as deep as possible !

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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Looks like we have several takers on that bet, hack is one choice, I have a few other choice words for Hawass. Behold the said expert in the field of Egyptology, giving the o.k. with hastiness to remove a near 4,000 year old mummy with delicate inlaid beads on the chest. Having his cohorts excavate while he (Zawi) directed. I could not believe it, the beads survived nearly 4,000 years of history only to be dashed in the face of Zawi's lack of intelligence. While the mummy was being pulled, the beads fell everywhere and Hawass didn't say "wait stop!" No he just kept motioning for them to keep lifting meanwhile almost 4,000 irreplaceable years fell to the dirt in the bottom of the tomb. Sad because before he even gave the go ahead I said that they should cover those beads in order to better preserve them, and then it happened, and I am not the expert. Can you believe it, me a common man knowing more than proclaimed experts, I mean he (Hawass) was supposed to be the one knowing what he was doing not me. How nice would it be to have his job, to go around acting like you know what your doing without consequence and getting paid top dollars for it. I guess I should be getting paid for knowing more about Zawi's field than he does, really if Hawass is an expert does that not make you people Gods comparatively.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 10:17:59 pm
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Welcome researcher.....
And I agree, that guy should have just stuck to uncovering the dirt as instructed.

Psycho and Brig, you both made extremely interesting points. I have always beleived that there are two sphinxes on that sight and that they were lions. It then makes the stelas present interpretation invalid.

The upright block between the Sphinx's paws is a stela detailing the story of a man who dreamed that the Sphinx spoke to him and promised him the double crown if he would dig out the body of the Sphinx, which was buried in sand up to its neck at the time. According to the stela, he did this and shortly after his task was finished, he became pharaoh.

This story alone seems to effect the story about the age of the sphinx because according to the stela this guy was made pharoh.
Now what pharoh did this at what time?

Here is more on a second sphinx theory from yet other seemingly credible sources;
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/7808/page1.html
http://www.philae.nu/akhet/NetjeruA.html#Aker
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/7808/secondsphinx-Complete.html
http://members.tripod.com/~arescott/pathways/Sphinx2.html

Please bear in mind that these links were produced from doing a search on two lions in Giza.
LOL

Again, you guys have been doing your homework.
Now the question is; If a second sphinx does exist, is it going to be where we find the Hall Of Records?

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 10:18:34 pm
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One more quick one before my morning coffee.
Zawi Hawass is looking to cover-up what ever it is he is hiding.

Again what reason would he have to lie on national television, unless there is something more to the whole area?

How could he stop ground penetrating sonar from being used if a satellite was used?  8)
I think that would be the ticket right there.
The problem with that is the US has probably done this already and is in on the cover-up.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 10:18:55 pm
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Why on earth would the US be in on a cover-up - to hide historical material - thats bound for the National Museum, anyway?!
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 10:19:56 pm
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Well I beleive this because I don't think it is bound for the National Museum. You can't move the Hall Of Records or a pyramid for that matter....

Besides, like all other skeptics out there you are only looking at one side of the multi-sided picture were discussing.

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Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 10:20:27 pm
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Psycho if you and Brig would, I have more on this very subject in the Giza Power section.

Granite has quartz and radios had quartz.

I think you guys might find some of this interesting...

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Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 10:21:06 pm
 
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From my Inventory Stela thread:

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Between the front paws of the Sphinx is a granite stela which was erected in commemoration of a renovation campaign carried out by Pharaoh Thuthmosis IV (1401 BC - 1391 BC). It contains the single syllable 'Khaf', which the Egyptologists immediately claimed was proof that Khafre was the builder of the Sphinx. The Stela was dug up in 1817 and was already badly damaged. Even though the portion of the Stela containing 'Khaf' has now completely flaked away, there isn't any reason to doubt that the syllable 'Khaf' actually appeared on the stela at the time of it's excavation, as it appears to have been well documented. Not to leave something significant unsaid, the stela was inscribed with hieroglyphs which had to be translated to English. One extremely important fact that is impossible to ignore, unless of course you are an Egyptologists it would seem, is the fact that every inscription, and that means literally every inscription, found dated to the very beginning to the very end of the Pharaonic era represented the name of a Pharaoh in a cartouche. A cartouche is an oval-shaped object that framed the inscribed hieroglyphs which spelled out the name of the Pharaoh. Not one single exception has ever been found. Seems to be convenient that this would be the one exception, but just for a moment lets give the Egyptologists that exception. Thuthmosis IV lived 1,000 years later than Khafre, which is a very long time for knowledge to have been passed by word of mouth, as there have been no other inscriptions uncovered that would have bridged the gap of 1,000 years between the two Pharaohs. So even if the not very likely is true, and the Thuthmosis IV stela did refer to Khafre as the builder, how can we be sure that wasn't an assumption on Thuthmosis part? Again, even if we ignore the obvious and stipulate that it does refer to Khafre, it still fails to offer proof. Furthermore another stela known as the 'Inventory Stela', uncovered at Giza and believed to be contemporary to the era, states that the Pharaoh Khufu saw the Sphinx. Being that Khufu was the predecessor to Khafre, and Pharaohs were Pharaohs for life, it would make it impossible for Khafre to build it and Khufu to see it. Egyptologists view the 'Inventory Stela' as fiction, again simply dismissing anything that contradicts them.
One more interesting aspect of the Sphinx weighs in heavy on this debate. It is less obvious from the front, but quite apparent viewed in profile. Proportionately the head is way too small for the body. It would be easy to blame the enormity of the carving for this, but if the Pyramids were built, and this is key, and the Sphinx as we see it today, at the same time, the craftsmanship seems less than should be expected. If however the Sphinx was uncovered, and the Sphinx head was recarved during the fourth dynasty by Khafre into the head of a Pharaoh, complete with headdress, that would allow for a reason for Khafre's name to appear on the afore mentioned stela and for the Egyptologists to believe it is the face of Khafre. However, I can't leap that far; it doesn't look like the statue of Khafre in the Cairo Museum, and the 'Khaf' isn't in a cartouche as it must be.
Conclusion
It should be the Flying Egyptologists, the name of a Trapeze act at the circus, for all the leaps these scientists make. Where the Sphinx sits in relation to the Pyramids needs more than just the assumption that they are accurate in their assessments of when the Pyramids were built, it needs evidence that proves who built one built the other, more about when the monuments of the Giza Plateau were built in The Dating Game. The inscriptions on the Sphinx stela do not match other historical inscriptions without the cartouche, and proclaiming the 'Inventory Stela' to be fiction, because it punches a hole in their conclusions, is manipulating the evidence to support their truth, not collecting evidence to find the truth.
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And, regarding the Second Sphinx:

THE SECOND SPHINX THEORY BY BASSAM EL SHAMMAA
After Cheops came Khephren (2020 BC.) and built the second pyramid on Giza Plateau which from one spot appears higher than the Cheops pyramid, but this is due to it being built over a higher plateau.
The causeway and tomb entrances were always protected by double sphinxes flanking the entrance. Consequently, there is a great chance that there was, or is, another sphinx parallel to the one which exists today, only in very poor condition due to air pollution and underground water erosion.


I here offer my humble theory that there is a second sphinx, located on the other side of the causeway.
I firmly believe its existence is conspicuous beyond the shadow of a doubt. I believe it lies buried under the sand, its suffocated and dilapidated remains not rivaling the state of preservation of the existing sphinx. Perhaps it was not buried throughout time as the existing one, which aided in its destruction. If we were to calculate its measurements, aided by newly excavated ruins, we should find it to be 66 feet high, 240 feet long, the mouth 7 feet 7 inches, the ears 4 feet 6 inches and the nose 5 feet 7 inches. Exactly the same typical measurements of the existing sphinx. The second sphinx is mind boggling in its simplicity and common sense.

I here offer you the research that aided in the discovery of this new theory:
In the Egyptian Museum there is a stela called the "Inventory Stela", which proves that Cheops saw the sphinx and it also mentions that lightening struck the tail of the nemes headdress of the sphinx and destroyed it. To the south the lightening also burnt a sycamore tree. The area between the sphinx and the tree is empty today (I believe this is where a second sphinx lays buried), it could have also been struck by the same lightening causing it great destruction.

The scene symbol of the word "Hill" or mound and/or pyramidal shaped construction is or . According to the ancient Egyptian cult which rose up from Heliopolis (a suburb in northern Cairo today), the god of creation commenced his deeds from this spot. The Priests of the chief temple of the sun wrote the basic text which all religious texts came to depend upon. Pyramid texts, sacred utterances and religious doctrines were al developed from the concept of creation. The complete one, "Atum" (the high god) rose up as a high hill like the solar disk. In utterance 600 it says, "O Atum, when you came into being you rose up as a high hill, you shown as the ben ben stone in the temple of the phoenix in Heliopolis." The primeval mound (the mound of the first time) took many forms and shapes, for example, and that is the shape of the so-called "Mastabah tomb" , also which is the shape of the step pyramid or any pyramid before it is outer cased with a smooth layer.

If we return to the Heliopolitan cut, the first two gods that Atum created were Shu and Tefnut. They were in the form of two lion cubs. Atum the sun enriched the scene with his light as before he rose up from the waters of the primordial ocean (called Nun) there was nothing, there was darkness. So yesterday was darkness. By creating the two lions, Atum became "one lion and two lions". He became identified with the protective force that the lion represents. Equally the two lions became associated with the sun the strong fierce burning power that it is. This makes sense from a practical point, as astronomy, the zodiac sign, "LEO" always dominates in the summer when Atum, the sun, is in his best form, able and burning. Also, it is the time of the flooding of the Nile and from here came the relationship between the lion and fertility. In one sentence when the lion appears in the sky (as Leo) the black land will be visited by the water of the flooding to fertilize the green land.(symbolically , it is the resurrection of the dry land. once the sun sets it begins its journey of the under world , the voyage from west to east. This is brought about by the two lions, the one on the west holds the sun between his jaws and passes it to the second lion situated in the east who pushes it to the sunrise. The rebirth of the sun needed essentially two lions to accomplish the mighty divine reappearance . They were called yesterday and today . Ancient Egyptian artisans and priests always drew and depicted them guarding the two primeval mounds connected with each other forming the sign of Aket which with the sun in the middle forms the hieroglyphic word for "horizon" . That is where the shrine of the GOD was situated . The sun between the two lions flanking the two hills are yesterday and today waiting to transport the sun with their jaws from the west to east . They were also responsible for guarding the eastern and western boundaries. .The sun is heading toward the edge of the world was the same sign in hieroglyphics which if repeated on the other side forms the Akh horizon scene . If we assemble all the previously mentioned information and correlate it with the historical topographical scene of the Giza Plateau, we will find a wonderful surprise . A surprise , who's positive fascination with the truth I hate being away from . If you stand today facing the sphinx there are behind it the three pyramids of ,(from right to left ), khufu (Cheops), KHA-F-RA (Chephren), Min-kaw-ra (Mycerinus) you will be able, with no difficulty to identify the following:

Two hills or pyramidal shaped constructions, similar in height and size and connected by a land valley. So it must be the two pyramids of khufu and kha-f-ra , as the height of khufu is 146 meters while kha-f-ra is 143,5 meters high, almost identical in height . If we measure the side of these two pyramids we find Khufu to be 230 meters and Kha-f-ra is 214.5 meters. Bearing in mind the weathering and erosion, these two pyramids could easily, from a distance be alike in everything including size . Respecting the fact that you cannot appreciate the similarity and resemblance unless from a distance. The perfect spot for this is facing the existing sphinx.


A bird s eye view of the second pyramid complex will confirm that the causeway coming from the mortuary temple to the valley temple had to diverge its path to the south to avoid the already existing sphinx. The causeway ends in the valley temple, opening into its north side, not into its middle, as usual. The workers were trying to avoid another sacred untouchable statue on the south side, which is the vanished sphinx. If we consider the sphinx temple and the valley temple. We can deduct that both temples are similar in design, height, square weathering, erosion and time destruction. This suggests that it was one temple dedicated to the belief of the Horizon, the shrine of the God. When the vestibule came, it divided it into two equal temples, each one dedicated to one lion of Ruti, which is according to Ani's papyrus, meaning yesterday and today. Bear in mind that the pink granite which walled up some parts of the valley temple took place later in time, decades after the temple construction. This fact is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt when you notice how the granite is embedded in the cavities caused by time and weathering. So, if there are two mounds, two temples denoting the two boundary edges of the world on the east and west and two shrines of the god (sphinx temple) and one temple is protested by a recumbent lion sphinx, why then is the second shrine of the god (valley temple) not protected and guarded by having a sphinx behind it? Why ? Remember Atum, the sun appears between the two pyramids on a certain day with a certain angle. The "Aker" scene depends, in addition to its religious connotation, on its artistic harmony and a very symmetrical nature. If you draw a line in the middle, it works like a mirror reflection. "Aker" is often depicted as two lions bodies with human heads (similar to the head of the sphinx) opposite each other or with lion heads which is what I think the sphinx was before it was re-carved into the head of a pharaoh. This would explain why the human head of the sphinx is small in comparison to the body of the lion. Ancient Egyptians never would fall into such a native mistake of ratio and proportion. I believe it was harmonically correct with the body size originally and later carved into the head of a human (the pharaoh).


Religious texts say, "Hail, Atum I am the double lion." , Also "The accustomed offering cake is still yours, O Atum and double lion! You two that have created your own divine selves and powers! This is Shu and Tefnut, the pair who engendered the gods and put them in their proper places". The double lion is a manifestation of Shu and Tefnut. There are, I believe, two sphinxes of Giza, one on each side of the causeway.


The ancient Egyptians never protected one entrance, or any sacred temple or tomb, from one side only. That would be against:
The common sense of the idea of protection.
The double lion theory of RUTI
One side of the shrine of Atum would be exposed to danger.
The two lions who are symbolic of yesterday and today protecting the pyramid.
If only one exists that means that the time is not complete. If there is only today and there is no yesterday the cult is incomplete. How would he explain the emergence of Atum from the primeval ocean of Nun in the time of yesterday? Yesterday was dark and when Atum came he brought light, if there was no darkness (one lion only) then how can light be appreciated, also, how would we appreciate Atum himself in the cult if he came with no positive impressive entry. Simply, if there was no yesterday then today is like any day, not highly special. Moreover, the two lions in the collection of the "spells of coming forth by day," Reu Nu pert em-hru" which was wrongly interpreted by Richard Lepsius in 1842, when he published the Turin Papyrus and gave it the name "The Book Of The Dead", are symbolic of Osiris and Ra and sometimes Atum. The absence of one of them spells chaos, crisis and a great disorder. "Mine is yesterday, I know tomorrow".


If the sun critically needs two lions to take it from the west to east, and as our present day sphinx sits exactly in the border line between the desert (no life) and vegetation (life), then how will the journey of the eternal rebirth of the sun be completed and unmistakably accomplished if there is only one lion? who will take care of its transportation from the west to the aim?. Reaching the target of the resurrection of the sun is impossible, unless there are two lions.


The two sides, profile lions flanking the "Aket" horizon are the two sphinxes behind the sphinx temple symbolizing the western boundary and the valley temple symbolizing the eastern boundary, where the sun will be resurrected just as the land turns green in the valley due to the rich Nile flooding. The ancient Egyptian artists believed in the profile and seldom used the full face. So, if we full face the two lions of the scene, illustrating the theory, you will see exactly two lions flanking the causeway dividing the one temple into two for the cut purposes. In the background two pyramids, Kha-f-re's pyramid base is carved from the bed rock to give us the scene of the primeval mound then the solar disk comes between to complete the immaculate the scene of the "Reu No pert emhru", "Spells of the coming forth by day" which was we know depends on the coffin texts which in turn came originally from the pyramid texts. If you notice in ancient Egyptian art, it always depends on the harmony between the ratio and the proportion of the scene. The forms must be symmetrical. The final result which is produced after a great effort and combining forces of the priests to select a special text, the artist in development of the accompanying scene to fit it must be harmonious. In the case of repetition it means multiplicity. For example, if there is Isis as a falcon on one side of the scene, parallel to it, equal in size and perfectly similar but for the head crown which distinguishes between one deity and the other, is the second Isis. In sculpture, always a double dogma dominated the religious construction. The double avenue of ram headed sphinxes of Ramses II in Karnak or that of the human headed sphinxes of Necta Nebo in Luxor temple. Two seated statues flank the entrances of temple. One side is always equal to the other. Thus, far no excavation has shown us otherwise.
In conclusion, the existence of a second sphinx on the other side of the causeway is conspicuous beyound the shadow of a doubt. Finally, without question, the remains of the second sphinx are still there buried under the sand, its suffocating dilapidated remains may not rival the state of preservation of the existing one, but I believe it does exist.


Sculpture reached its apex during Khephren's reign, when the best example of an idealistic royal statue came to light. Khephren's statue is composed of black diorite (hieroglyphic: meant coming from the quarries of Tushqa) veined with white and it was found in the temple if his pyramid . The clear-cut features, and square shoulders are complemented by the eyes gazing into eternity. The statue is wearing the Nemes,the royal headdress, and shendid, the royal apron and the royal false beared. There are two lions flanking the king's legs. On both sides of the throne there are representations of the union of Upper and lower Egypt, the binding of the lotus and Papyrus (this was called Sematawy).


The cartouch of khephren is clear Ka-f-Ra. The neck of the statue is reinforced with a statue of Horus, the Falcon God, also completing the holy triad, the throne, the pharaoh and the God. This triad enabled us to learn about Egyptian Mythology. In the Heliopolis cult there were nine Gods and Goddesses. They were Atum, creator of the universe, Shu the god of air, Tefnut geb the earth god, Nut the sky goddess, Osiris, Isis, Set and Nyphtyes.. They imagined that in the beginning the universe was filed with a primordial ocean called Nun, which had no surface, its waters were motionless and stagnant. The priests claimed that their temple stood on the site of this primeval ocean over a hill rising out of Nun. The golden age for this Universe was when the gods actually lived on earth and had their kingdom there, where justice reigned over the land and was now maintained by their successor and pharaoh.


In addition to all the proofs I offered in my second Sphinx theory, I add , here the stela of the dream erected between the two paws of the lion part of the existing Sphinx. At the top register we found Tutmosis IV is depicted twice offering to two Sphinxes. This is not one scene repeated in a mirror reflecting impression like other various scenery. The reasons why I believe that Pharaoh here is offering to two sphinxes are:

He is wearing different crowns one is the "Kheprish" blue crown of war and courage, in the other scene he is wearing the "Nemes" royal headdress. So, he is in two different social status assured by 2 different royal regalia.
He is offering two different sets of libations and homage in each scene. Tutmosis IV is treating each Sphinx separately and not in the same manner.

We conclude that the Egyptian history is still offering us more challenges. Egypt is the future of the past.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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One last one:

PYRAMID REPAIRS BY RALPH ELLIS
There has been much debate of late as to the true age of the pyramids. Perhaps we have all heard about the discussions and arguments that have erupted in books and on the internet regarding the era in which the Sphinx at Giza was constructed. John Anthony West and Robert Schoch have made a veritable industry out of speculation regarding the amount of weathering that is present on the Sphinx itself and its enclosure, and how the era of its construction can be gauged by this observation. It is an interesting discussion and one that apparently has much life left in it - I am sure it will run and run. But erosion of the Sphinx is only one small aspect of the evidence available when assessing the age of the pyramids, there are plenty of other examples of erosion that also point towards an earlier date for the pyramid's construction. Personally, I think that many of the early dynastic monuments in Egypt have a tale to tell in the weathering patterns that scour their fabric, and in the book "Thoth, Architect of the Universe" I try to explore many of these telltale features. So let us indulge ourselves in a quick tour of Lower Egypt and see what evidence is there to support the concept of a very early construction date for the pyramids.

The first example of pyramid erosion that I want to look at lies a little south of the Dahshur pyramids - at Meidum. The pyramid at Meidum is the one that looks as though it has collapsed and the prime clue to the true age of this pyramid can be derived from those very upper pyramidal cladding stones that are now missing from this pyramid - what exactly happened to them? Various authors have argued that these upper cladding stones, the remaining lower portions of which are still apparent under the piles of rubble around the pyramid, have either been stolen in subsequent eras or they have collapsed in a kind of pyramidal avalanche. But perhaps this was not actually the case. From a later excavation of the rubble surrounding the pyramid in the early 1990s, it was quite apparent that the pyramid had simply been eroded away by the weather, like so many of the less well-made pyramids in the area. Unfortunately for the builders, while the central core of the pyramid was made of a fairly durable limestone, the attempt to turn the edifice into a true pyramid used a very weak and friable stone. This stone has proved about as durable as mud-brick and although initially quite solid looking, the blocks that have been exposed to the elements are extremely fragile.

The fact that the pyramid has eroded and not collapsed, can be clearly seen in the rubble around the pyramid, which consists of layer upon layer of small stones. These stones form the type of strata that are always associated with eroded and deposited materials. It can also be seen that, where the rubble has protected the base of the pyramid, the cladding stones there survive intact. But higher courses, which were exposed to the elements for a longer period, have been successively eroded more and more, until at about six meters up there is complete erosion.

Clearly this is due to exposure to the elements with the stones at the lowest levels, which were first covered with rubble descending from above, being preserved the most. Yet one still wonders how long it takes to erode a complete pyramid, even if the stone was a little friable, for in places some ten meters of stone have eroded away at Meidum. The current shape of the pyramid, results from the fact that the upper flat section at the top of the rubble marks the start of another step of harder limestone just under the surface; the present layout is therefore quite stable and may not have changed for some considerable time. Is is possible, however, that so much of a solid stone construction was eroded in just under 5,000 years? Personally, I think not, and the supporting evidence I was looking for became apparent while strolling around the Giza pyramids.

I was trying to explain some of the technical details of the pyramids to my wife and it is one of those facts of life that one never really knows a subject until it has been successfully explained to a novice. The novice does not always understand the first time and so the topic has to be explained again from another perspective. Then, just when you think that there is no more to say on the subject, the novice hits you with a question that you were neither expecting nor can easily explain. The thick limestone paving slabs upon which the pyramids were constructed comes right into that category. My wife asked, "Why is there a line running down this pavement?"

The initial answer to this was easy for, when fully finished, the casing blocks of each of the pyramids invariably stopped short of the pavement edge, such that one particular pavement slab was partly covered by the casing and also partly exposed to the elements. The exposed portion of this slab was therefore beginning to erode over the years, slowly but surely, more and more as the years went by, as exposure to weather and the feet of millions of pilgrims took its toll. But the stone masons were normally wise in their choice of stone and the amount of weathering is minimal in comparison to what we find at Meidum. As we can see from the remaining cladding stones that still cover the Bent Pyramid and the upper portions of the Khafre Pyramid, in the sub-desert climate, good quality stone usually weathers quite slowly.


Then, after many millennia, someone came along and started pilfering the cladding stones from the pyramids, something that is usually ascribed to the eighth or ninth century AD. From this time onwards, the whole of the paving slab was now exposed to the elements and started to weather, hence a line was formed in the paving stones between the two periods of weathering. But there was a curious anomaly here that made me sit and think for a while. When looking at both the Dahshur and the Giza pyramids, there would appear to be a large differential between the pavement that has been covered for a while and the portion that has always been exposed. This is true within one single slab of stone, this is not a case of dissimilar stone strengths. Then there was a little pause in the discussion, for it was obvious now that this little line in the pavement could now be used to date the pyramids, but what would it tell us?

With ruler in hand, I tried to estimate the extent of the erosion, using the base of the remaining facing blocks as a guide to the original surface of the pavement. It was not the most precise of experiments, given the tools at my disposal, but luckily the amount of erosion was easily visible. At Dahshur the amount of erosion on the covered half of the slab was approximately five millimetres, the sort of erosion one might expect in such a climate over 1,000 years of weathering, yet on the exposed portion of the stone there was about 50 mm of erosion. At Giza the differential was even greater. The amount of erosion on the covered portion of the stone was again about five millimetres, and the exposed had between 50 mm and a massive 200 mm of erosion.

In general, it would appear that there was a minimum of ten times as much erosion on the exposed section of each block as on the portion that had been covered with the cladding stones, and this would give us a direct indication of the true age of these pyramids. If a constant erosion rate is presumed and if the time elapsed since the cladding was stolen is about 1,000 years, then the time required for the erosion of the exposed sections of each slab would equate to about 10,000 years and quite possibly much much longer.

Remember that this is true within a single slab of stone, it is not a case of dissimilar stone strengths. Indeed, some of the softer slabs in the pavement have been eroded more than usual on both the covered and the exposed sections, and this weathering is in direct proportion on both sides of the divide. This would seem to indicate that this erosion process is a valid tool for dating the pyramids, for each stone tells the same history, no matter how hard or soft it is. While a 10,000-year history for the pyramids agrees quite well with John West's Sphinx argument, it conflicts strongly once more with the traditional history of the region. Nevertheless, this era is in agreement with some more interesting and quite persuasive evidence that lies a little south of Giza - it has been carved into the fabric of the Dahshur pyramids.

Passing through the small military area and onto the Dahshur plateau, the vast bulk of the Red pyramid (Draco pyramid in the book "Thoth") lies before you. The casing blocks have, of course, been removed and what is visible are the rough-hewn sandstone core blocks. The sandstone is relatively friable, but its high iron-stone content seems to form a tough oxidised ruddy layer on the surface of the blocks, hence the usual appellation for this pyramid.

That most of the pyramids are in this parlous state is a great shame, we would know so much more of the era and methods for their construction if they were still in pristine condition. But there is a pyramid that can give us some clues here, take a look around the corner of the Draco pyramid and the curious form of the Bent pyramid looms into view (Vega pyramid in "Thoth", each being named after the stellar location they represent). Firstly, it is my contention that the Vega pyramid was not hastily finished off, it was deliberately made in this fashion with a bent upper portion. For if you extend the line of the upper outer casing down to the ground, the shape, size and volume so created is exactly the same as its northern partner, the Draco pyramid. This shape is also directly formed from the Pythagorean 20-21-29 triangle, with cubit measurements of 200, 210 and 290 forming the sides of the pyramid - a sure indication that the designer knew what he/she was doing.

More importantly, though, the Vega pyramid retains much of its outer casing, which forms an impressively smooth, straight surface all the way to the top of the construction. Approaching the base of the pyramid, the fine workmanship of the massive casing blocks is easy to see. Other items are not so obvious - the core of this pyramid, despite being right next to the Draco pyramid, is made from a different material; rough limestone instead of sandstone blocks, with a mud mortar in between form the basic shape. For the casing blocks, however, the mortar is replaced by a fine pink mastic, apparently so strong that many of the casing blocks have split into two before the mortar itself gave way.

But this is not all, the basis of this new evidence for the age of the pyramids is another curious feature - the surface of the stones. At some time in the long history of these pyramids, a long forgotten pharaoh looked at the Vega pyramid and said to his chief of public works "We must do something about the condition of this pyramid!" The chief acted immediately on these orders and started erecting scaffolding all over the four faces of the pyramid. This was no mean feat, for wood is not a readily available commodity in Egypt and convoy after convoy of Lebanese cedar had to be brought in to provide the working materials. Slowly but surely a great lattice work of poles covered the entire face of the pyramid - right to its very apex.

A team of several thousand artisans, some skilled, some not quite so, started chipping away at the casing blocks. Stone is not a uniform material, of course, and small fault-lines, cracks, and shoals (sand inclusions) within the limestone blocks each weather at a different rate. Over the years the Vega pyramid had become pockmarked with thousands of small patches of erosion in the casing blocks. Some were minuscule, only a few centimetres across, some required the removal of the face of an entire stone (not the entire stone as the casing blocks are some 2m thick, only the outer face was taken away and replaced). Each and every defect was chipped smooth and a new piece of limestone was neatly placed in the hole and smoothed down to a perfect surface. The pyramid then began to look like it had acne, with the fresh white of the repair blocks contrasting strongly with the older surface. So the entire face of the pyramid was scrubbed clean of the sandy coloured patina that had developed over the years, to display the brilliant white Tura limestone casing as it was in its new condition. Pharaoh looked at his achievement with pride - the pyramids were as new again, sparkling in the ruby glow of a bloated setting sun. He truly must be one of the greatest of pharaohs to have achieved such a feat and the gods must have been pleased. As a record of his great achievement the pharaoh dared the almost sacrilegious, he carved his cartouche in the lower casing blocks to the pyramid and within the mortuary temple.

The description above is of my own invention, but the fact that something very like this has occurred in the distant past is self-evident by the thousands and thousands of little repairs that have been made all over the Vega pyramid, from the bottom to the very top. The question is, though, who made them? The records not only fail to mention the actual construction of these pyramids, they also fail to mention the repairs that were made to them. It has to be pointed out that the repairs are not due to manufacturing errors, as the face of the pyramid that was protected by the adjacent mortuary temple has no repairs on its surface. Clearly the repairs were made to a surface that had been eroded over many millennia, but when was this done?

Personally I think that if such a feat were achieved in the relatively well documented New-Kingdom era onwards (c 1500 BC), we would have heard about it. There are records that document the repairs made to the Sphinx by Tuthmoses IV during the New Kingdom era, yet the surface repairs to the Dahshur pyramids was a far greater undertaking than this. This tends to indicate that the repair-work was actually completed in the ancient past - earlier than the New Kingdom. Remember that the present condition of the pyramids is due to their deliberate destruction in relatively recent history, had this not taken place the major pyramids at Giza and Dahshur would have been in good condition to this day. So if these pyramids have lasted so well in the 3500 years since the New Kingdom and not needed much in the way of repairs, as the evidence from the Vega and Khafre pyramids indicates - why did these pyramids need repairing so quickly after their supposed construction by Snorferu in the 4th dynasty (c 2600 BC).

There is a deep conundrum here that is presented by something as mundane as an inserted repair block, just when was this major feat of repair work carried out? As the Vega pyramid appears to have lasted for the last 3500 years without any repairs, my solution is simple, if rather unorthodox - the Vega (Bent) pyramid must be much greater than 3,500 years old. In fact the evidence from the current state of the Vega pyramid points towards it requiring another surface repair in the not too distant future, which would tend to suggest that the surface can survive for just over double this time-period. Thus if the repairs we see today were carried out some 3,500 years ago, then the pyramid would have been constructed some 7,000 years ago.

As has been speculated in many previous works, including my own book "Thoth, Architect of the Universe", this simple observation seems to indicate once more that these high quality pyramids (those at Dahshur and Giza) were actually built in the distant past. To refine this date further, though, all we require is the date of the repair work. Can such a date be found in the records?

Egyptology has attributed the Dahshur pyramids of Vega and Draco to the pharaoh Snorferu and they indicate that he built both of these plus the pyramid at Meidum, all in the space of some 25 years. But not only does this seem illogical and physically impossible, the pyramids themselves have no inscriptions within them to confirm this proposal - just a few cartouches on the outer casing and in the mortuary temple. A much simpler solution, that will help considerably with the dating process above, is that Snorferu is intimately associated with these three pyramids not because he built them all, but because he REPAIRED them all. If one is prepared to accept this, then these pyramids have apparently lasted some 4,600 years without further repairs to their fabric and therefore the actual construction era for these particular pyramids must have been many thousands of years BEFORE the reign of Snorferu.

Such a scenario may be based on an amount of guesswork, but it does make a great deal of sense and the underlying evidence is irrefutable. Taken together with the data from Meidum, Giza and at the Sphinx - does this not all tend to reinforce the evidence that is emerging that these pyramids are indeed much older than we have traditionally been taught? The weight of evidence appears to be mounting relentlessly, the pyramids would seem to be as much as double or treble the orthodox age. Double the orthodox dating represents 9,000 years ago, and treble would indicate a massive 13,500 years, it is no wonder the orthodoxy would resist such an interpretation of the facts.

Ralph Ellis

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 10:24:02 pm
 
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Anyway, Para, we have proof that Zawi is incompetent!   :(

We have proof that Zawi likes to get that much of his on the TV cameras!   :(

What we need is proof that Zawi is hiding/destroying evidence. The accusation made often, I have yet to see any real evidence to say that he is.

Has anybody..?
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 27, 2008, 10:24:42 pm
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Psycho- We are familar with Edger Cayce saying that the Hall Of Records is buried beneith the right paw of the sphinx.

The picture Im getting about this is, which sphinx was he reffering too?
(Grins evily and laughs with sardonic wrath)

All it would take to destroy this guy's credibility is wittness this singal paw being excavated from the other side of the pyramid by accident/ on purpose.   ;)

This would then be the cats meow.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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The info that came from the Tablets themselves and is available online to read, convinves me it was not plagerized, or made up 100 years ago
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 12:29:34 am
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Here is something that I found while doing a search on Zawi was suspended:
From: EGYPTNEWS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:09:28 EDT
Subject: Hall of Records - by Maureen Palmer Status: U

If the search for the Hall of Records on the Giza Plateau comes up with a blank, then perhaps those involved with the search might consider my theory as a second option.

To the Ancient Egyptians animals, birds, trees, mountains and objects as well as people were filled with spirit. This I belief also included Land-forms and Life-form images (simulacra) created by both wind and rain in natural rock formations. Hidden deep within the Theban Necropolis are the tombs of the Pharaohs located in the ‘Valley of the Kings’. Overlooking the Valley is a carboniferous limestone mountain that has the naturally formed shape of a pyramid. To form this mountain pyramid carboniferous limestone was laid down over 300 million years ago in the seabed when shell and bone deposits accumulated and compacted together over time.

To the ancient Egyptians it would have been perfectly clear by the number of fossilised seashells that the whole of the mountain had once been underwater., According to ancient Theban creation myths the gods came into being when the mound of creation rose up out of the abyss of the Nun, the primordial ocean. ‘Re’ the sun god was the first-born of the gods who first manifested himself in the form of a stone object called Ben-Ben. The peak of this mountain was venerated as the goddess Mertseger whose name signified "She who loves silence". Looking upwards at Mertseger from the valley floor the peak forms an image of a woman’s breast facing towards the sky. This is an extract from a collection of religious and magical texts known to the ancient Egyptians as ‘The Chapters of Coming-forth by Day’. ["Neither the heavens nor the earth can be taken away from him, for behold, he is Re, the firstborn of the gods. His mother shall nurse him, and shall give him her breast on the horizon".]

This I belief was the first reason that the ancient Egyptian Pharaohs selected this place to site their tombs because they thought that this was where Re would return at the end of each day? back to his mother’s breast upon the horizon, back to his birthplace, the primordial mound that rose up from the abyss of the Nun. The second reason was because West is where the sun sets at the end of each day, it was here that the Pharaohs would be ready to rendezvous with Re upon his solar boat, which they knew would emerge safely the following day on the horizon in the East.

Re would be born again as a new day and their Ka would have come –forth into the afterlife, by day. If you stand at the top of this mountain and look East, three mountain peaks stand clear on the Eastern horizon. This land-form symbol was used to signify East in the ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs. It was also used in the hieroglyph for underworld which is Ament-et. But the final and main reason for locating their tombs here is because it is here hidden within the natural rock formations that there are ‘life form images’ of their gods’. I know because I have seen them and photographed them.

Lord of the Gods.

In the shadow of the primordial mound Queen Hatshepsut’s mortuary temple stands in the centre of Deir el-Bahri bay. It was built to the command of a remarkable eighteenth Dynasty queen who had ruled Egypt as Pharaoh in her own right. This unique temple is built right up to the cliff face that towers above. To say this beautiful limestone bay is breathtaking is an understatement, it has such a natural beauty that is difficult to describe in words, you have to see it to fully appreciate it.

Within Hatshepsut’s temple are scenes of her ‘Immaculate Conception’ which she invented between her mother and the god Amun. In ancient times this site was called Djeser which means the (Holy), when Queen Hatshepsut built her temple here she named it Djeser -Djesru, the (Holy of Holies) and dedicated her temple to the god Amun. The empty tomb of Senenmut Hatshepsut’s lover; life- time companion and overseer of the building of her temple is also to be found at this site. A few yards to the North of the lower court of Hatshepsut’s Temple a great tomb was discovered in which 163 coffins of priests and priestesses of Amun were found. It was during the reign of Hatshepsut that the ‘festival of the valley’ took place, at new moon in summer. The festival described by Archaeologist Joyce Tyldesley in her book ‘Hatchepsut The Female Pharaoh’, involved taking the cult statue of Amun accompanied by the statues of Mut and Khonsu, to cross the river to spend the night with Hathor at Djeser -Djesru.

If you stand back from the temple, with the temple aligned straight to yourself and look up into the rocks directly above the temple, you will see there are life-form images (simulacra) of three people.

-To the left above the Hathor chapel is an image of a woman, she is sitting with her knees raised, her head is resting on her knees and her arms wrapped around her legs. She appears to have a bare bottom. If you have ever seen the figurine of the crying Ballerina, it is very similar sort of pose. However the image in the rocks has her bottom facing outwards. -To the right of the woman is an image of a young male, the side of his head appears to be adorned by a long heavy tress. -Above the two, right in the centre and reaching the very top of the cliff is an elderly bearded man. He is standing and appears to be dressed in a long robe. He has a protective arm around a little human-faced figure wearing a white conical hat. This is the shape of the crown worn by the Pharaoh’s of southern Egypt.

If you now consider the location of the mortuary temples to the primordial mound; the life-form images in the rocks above the temples, the exact alignment to Karnak and the ‘Festival of the Valley’ we shall begin to see the significance of this place. The simulacra of the ‘elderly bearded man’ was seen by the ancient Egyptians as the god Amun ‘The Father’. The simulacra of the ‘seated woman’ was seen by the ancient Egyptians as Mut ‘The Mother’ The simulacra of the ‘ youth with the long heavy tress’ was seen as Khonsu ‘The Son’.

Now consider that the root of Biblical theology was based on Egyptian theology. God the father, god the Mother and god the Son. Let us consider the following. In the Biblical story of creation we are told that in the beginning ‘God’ created the heavens and the Earth and all living things. The ancient Egyptians also believed in a god of creation, however they believed in other gods too, Imn was ‘Lord of the Gods’ he was the hidden one. Should it be presumed that the ‘God of Creation’ and the ‘Lord God’ who created the garden of Eden are the same?

The title; ‘Lord of the Gods’ and ‘The Lord God’, and the name Imn’ and ‘I am’ are almost the same. In the Bible ‘The Lord God’ speaks, not as a single being but of ‘us’ as if he is not alone, Genesis 1:26 "And God said let us make man in our image, after our likeness" Genesis 3:22 ‘And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us’. This doesn’t seem to make any sense, but would have made sense to the ancient Egyptians because Imn ‘The Lord of the Gods’ was never considered to be alone amongst the gods. Is the reason why the Lord God has been illustrated by artists for centuries as an elderly bearded man, dressed in a long flowing robe, because that is what his image looks like above the Holy of Holies?

Let us continue now to Eve. Eve’s name means ‘Mother’ Genesis 3:20 ‘And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living, Mut’s name also means ‘Mother’. Eve was naked in the garden of Eden, Genesis 2:25 "And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed. What made them say that? Why was it necessary to make reference to Eve’s nakedness? If Eve and Mut are the same, it was important because it was a matter of identification , because her ‘image’ above the Holy of Holies shows her with a bare bottom.

Who or what was the ‘Serpent’ that beguiled Eve into eating from the tree of knowledge? Putting this again into ancient Egyptian religious context, Apep would be the serpent.

So the next question is ‘where is the tree of knowledge of good and evil’, >from which Eve ate? The simple answer is it is among all the other ‘trees’ of knowledge at the centre of the forest of ‘trees of knowledge, in the forest of columns in the temple of Imn at Karnak. The Egyptians ate from it by reading it’s religious hieroglyphic text and understanding it’s deep symbolic meaning. You don’t need to venture any further to find there also the ‘tree of life’, which to the ancient Egyptians was the Persea tree which bore the name of the Pharaoh.

Now the way of Eden was blocked by ‘cherubins’ and a ‘flaming sword’. Genesis 3:24 "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden cherubins and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life’. As you approach the temple of Imn at Karnak the avenue leading up to it is lined with sphinxes could these be classed as ‘cherubins’ . As you enter the temple you see the remaining standing obelisk of Hatshepsut, once said to have been coated in gold. Does this not describe a ‘flaming sword’.? If further evidence is required it is in the fact that the ancient Egyptians nearly always represented themselves and their gods with a youthful appearance, whatever their age, giving the impression that they had access to the fruits of the tree of life.

Now to the location of the ‘Hall of Records’. Slightly to the south of Hatshepsut’s temple is the location of the ‘Royal Cache’. This was the secret hiding place of a great collection of mummies of the New Kingdom Pharaohs, discovered by the Abd-er-Rassul brothers in 1881. In the rocks above the Royal Cache are simulacra of three apes. -Directly above the tomb which housed the royal mummies, in the natural formation of the rocks is the outline, in profile, of a seated dog-headed ape. Thoth Ancient myths relate to a crypt or tomb where Thoth had ‘hidden ‘records’. I am led to believe that it should be somewhere close to the primordial mound. His disciples boasted that they had access to such a place, so it wasn’t considered to be an imaginary place.

Now if the temple of Amun at Karnack is a ‘mirror image’ of Amun’s Holy of Holies at Deir el-Bahri (with the river Nile acting as the symbolic mirror), by reversing the process you can locate the Hall of Records. If you mirror image back from the Hall of Records at the temple of Amun to the Holy of Holies, it is the Royal Cache bay where the ‘Hall of Records’ should be. The bay that is overlooked by a life-form image of natural creation of the god Thoth, the ancient Egyptian god of writing the spokesman of the Gods and their keeper of records.

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The teachings of Hermes -- the Hermetic tradition -- is one of the oldest spiritual traditions in the world, and while no direct evidence links the Emerald Tablet to Eastern religions, it shares uncanny similarities in concepts and terminology with Taoism, Hinduism, and Buddhism.
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Now, the real cultivation methods of the Taoist and Buddhist schools....it was not taught publically until the last 20 or 30 years max. Not only does it contain similarities, but similarities to the most important parts. So I don't believe someone in the west had the info to "make up" the info in the Emerald Tablets, or could know what was the important things, 100 years ago

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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Now Brig and Psycho this might be another outlook on the stelas as discussed maybe there is just one but the reason two appear with a disk in the middle is to represent a mirrored image...

Man this is getting good....

Quick rewrite, and psycho I think this might be right up your alley.

We need to duplicate this experiment:

Now Maureen writes:
Now if the temple of Amun at Karnack is a ‘mirror image’ of Amun’s Holy of Holies at Deir el-Bahri (with the river Nile acting as the symbolic mirror), by reversing the process you can locate the Hall of Records. If you mirror image back from the Hall of Records at the temple of Amun to the Holy of Holies, it is the Royal Cache bay where the ‘Hall of Records’ should be. The bay that is overlooked by a life-form image of natural creation of the god Thoth, the ancient Egyptian god of writing the spokesman of the Gods and their keeper of records.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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Pahana- I have seen some of the online pages that talked about the tablets and the teaching of thoth the atlantean. The thing I don't get is why these emerald tablets are not photographed if they are truly within the care of someone? Why are these ancient texts aren't aloud to be made public?


As I have stated before, I strongly dislike the way political wheels hide the seeking eye from seeing..

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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Here is one good example of what I'm saying and the information is kinda interesting to my post but anyhow;
Lt. Col. Tom Bearden, have shown how such suppression efforts trace back to the 19th century, at least. The great 19th century pioneer who analyzed the behavior of the electromagnetic (EM) wave was Sir James Clerk Maxwell. His equations, known as “quaternions,” were used to map out the full, hidden internal structures of the EM wave in full 3-D view, with over 200 equations altogether. When you analyze all 200+ quaternions as a group, you see the geometry of a tetrahedron inside a sphere. This is the hidden secret of the electromagnetic wave, the underlying structure that determines its behavior as it moves along – and Oliver Heaviside and others, who reduced Maxwell’s equations to four basic quaternions and declared the hidden geometry to be “occult nonsense”, vigorously removed it from all academic debate. Had this not been done, we may have “solved the puzzle” far earlier along.



There is no direct way to prove that those from the secret groups inspired this political move on Maxwell’s work, but it is exactly what we would expect based on their own system of beliefs that they are sworn to uphold on pain of death. An even more obvious example was the demonizing of the “aether” concept through using the results of the Michelson-Morley experiment as “proof.” 19th century mystic Madame Blavatsky predicted that the aether would be removed from discussion, and that “the pillars of science would come down along with it.” We will discuss this more fully in volumes II and III. Even now, the anti-aether bias is so strong that you will be almost immediately dismissed if you try to bring it up in a scientific discussion – but we are not concerned, as time and proof will heal this wound.



Once we do accept the existence of a fluidlike aether at various levels of density, where each density has a different quality of vibration, then we realize that certain clear geometric forms will emerge at the various “pure” frequencies. Indeed, geometry is the single most important aspect of the aether’s behavior in terms of being able to construct stable structures, such as crystals. Without the geometry, matter would not be possible, as geometry is what allows the “field bubbles” of the aether to clump together in precise, organized patterns, forming specific molecules. Otherwise, the best we could hope for is that the spheres would line up pole-to-pole, and otherwise be free flowing around each other – and this behavior would not be complex enough to build matter. The tips of the geometries have more strength to attract each other than the other areas on the surface of the sphere, as we shall discuss below, and this allows the spheres to organize into non-random “matrix” patterns.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 12:39:19 am
 
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Psycho- We are familar with Edger Cayce saying that the Hall Of Records is buried beneith the right paw of the sphinx.
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Not beneath the paw..between the right paw and the Nile river.. The right paw is the access point which leads to "connecting chambers".

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READING 378-16
10. (Q) If the King's Chamber is on the 50th course, on what
course is this sealed room?
(A) The sealed room of records is in a different place; not
in this pyramid.

11. (Q) Give in detail what the sealed room contains.
(A) A record of Atlantis from the beginnings of those
periods when the Spirit took form or began the encasements in
that land, and the developments of the peoples throughout
their sojourn, with the record of the first destruction and
the changes that took place in the land, with the record of the SOJOURNINGS of the peoples to the varied activities in
other lands, and a record of the meetings of all the nations
or lands for the activities in the destructions that became
necessary with the final destruction of Atlantis and the
buildings of the pyramid of initiation, with who, what,
where, would come the opening of the records that are as
copies from the sunken Atlantis; for with the change it must
rise (the temple) again.

This in position lies, as the sun rises from the waters, the
line of the shadow (or light) falls between the paws of the
Sphinx, that was later set as the sentinel or guard, and
which may not be entered from the connecting chambers from
the Sphinx's paw (right paw) until the TIME has been
fulfilled when the changes must be active in this sphere of
man's experience.

Between, then, the Sphinx and the river.
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31. It would be well if this entity were to seek either of the
three phases of the ways and means in which those records
of the activities of individuals were preserved, - the one
in the Atlantean land, that sank, which will rise and is
rising again; another in the place of the records that
leadeth from the Sphinx to the hall of records, in the
Egyptian land; and another in the Aryan or Yucatan land,
where the temple there is overshadowing same.

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And the best one of all....

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 READING 2329-3
36. (Q) Where are those records or tablets made of that Egyptian
experience, which I might study?
(A) In the Tomb of Records, as indicated. For the entity's
tomb then was a part of the Hall of Records, which has not
yet been uncovered. It lies between - or along that entrance
from the Sphinx to the temple - or the pyramid; in a pyramid,
of course, of its own.


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It's a Burried Pyramid !

I Don't think we will get access anytime soon 

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 READING 2329-3
39. (Q) How may I now find those records, or should I wait - or
must I wait?
(A) You will find the records by that channel as indicated,
as these may be obtained MENTALLY. As for the physical
records, - it will be necessary to wait until the full time
has come for the breaking up of much that has been in the
nature of selfish motives in the world. For, remember, these
records were made from the angle of WORLD movements. So must
thy activities be in the present of the universal approach,
but as applied to the individual.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 12:39:51 am
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I am-

Still another very reflective point to ponder.
A person could go nuts trying to understand this and still be left wondering. LOL
I love it...

One thing still remains;

Is there a prophecy of this choosen time that will give a hint as to when will be a good time to watch for this?

I don't mean to sound like a broken record.
This is one of those things that I have a hard time not thinking about. I feel something about this subject that I can't explain as being anything less then addictive.

It's in our face and yet you can't help but feel that I have been over-looking something extremely important. Sounds crazy, but I'm being honest.
 

Thank you again I am that I am.

The sad thing is if these things will not be revealed until the selfishness of the world or Zawi Hawass is done away with, the dread of the "Why, who, what and when", will continue to starve us. At this point in time, eating freely is as much a myth as the Hall Of Records will remain.

 P.S. Would it be selfish of me to learn voodoo and handle this liar myself? (Kidding)
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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It seems as though the second sphinx has the distinct aroma of the first Crusades. Fatimid territory had receded in a very short span of time, in fact around the same time that the second sphinx was in shambles...
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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 You know folks, I probably should be in bed and yet I can't get enough....


I think I read it in this thread but there was the mention of a second sphinx being destroyed by lightning. This sparked the idea that if this second sphinx indeed did exist that the entire area around Giza may have been erected before the great flood of the bible.

If that is the case then maybe this flood was also responsible for the damage done to both sphinxes?
Perhaps a super storm brought on by a sudden climate change?

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This is my peronal opinion but highly doubt those tablets are fake or written in modern times. The way it is written is not modern.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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According to E.C., it was supposed to have happened already ?


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READING 2329-3
36. (Q) Where are those records or tablets made of that Egyptian
experience, which I might study?
(A) In the Tomb of Records, as indicated. For the entity's
tomb then was a part of the Hall of Records, which has not
yet been uncovered. It lies between - or along that entrance
from the Sphinx to the temple - or the pyramid; in a pyramid,
of course, of its own.

37. (Q) Through what channels of the Association for Research &

Enlightenment may the entity gain the most?
(A) As it begins it s further preparation and activity, seek
through those channels for guidance - as it is felt that it
is needed; or begin with the interpreting of the tablets.
For, remember there are thirty-two of these plates!

38. (Q) Is it indicated as to when, approximately, these tablets
may be discovered, or uncovered?
(A) By fifty-eight ('58).

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But then there's this..

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 READING 5750-1
23. (Q) In which pyramid or temple are the records mentioned
in the readings given through this channel on Atlantis, in
April, 1932? [[364] series]
(A) As given, that temple was destroyed at the time there
was the last destruction in Atlantis.

Yet, as time draws nigh when changes are to come about, there
may be the opening of those three places where the records
are one, to those that are the initiates in the knowledge of
the One God:

The temple by Iltar will then rise again. Also there will
be the opening of the temple or hall of records in Egypt, and
those records that were put into the heart of the Atlantean
land may also be found there - that have been kept, for those
that are of that group.

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Waiting for them to reincarnate at the appropriate time I guess ? ..
More interesting stuff ...

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 READING 5748-6
16. (Q) How was this particular Great Pyramid of Gizeh built?
(A) By the use of those forces in nature as make for iron to
swim. Stone floats in the air in the same manner. This will
be discovered in '58 [See EARTH CHANGES booklet report pages
33-34, E.C.F. 1963].

17. (Q) What is the significance of the character of the figure
of the Sphinx, mentioned above?
(A) In this particular period of Araaraart and of the priest
(that began those understandings - and passed through those
of the hell in the misinterpretation of same), there was even
then the seeking through those channels that are today called
archaeological research.

In those periods when the first change had come in the


position of the land, there had been an egress of peoples
- or THINGS, as would be called today - from the Atlantean
land, when the Nile (of Nole, then) emptied into what is now
the Atlantic Ocean, on the Congo end of the country. What is
now as the Sahara was a fertile land, a city that was builded
in the edge of the land, a city of those that worshipped the
sun - for the use of its rays were used for supplying from
the elements that which is required in the present to be
grown through a season; or the abilities to use both those of
introgression and retrogression - and mostly retrograded, as
we are in the present. The beginnings of these mounds were
as an interpretation of that which was crustating in the
land. (See, most of the people had tails then!) In those
beginnings these were left.

When there was the entrance of Arart and Araaraart, they
begin to build upon those mounds which were discovered
through research. With the storehouse, or record house
(where the records are still to be uncovered), there is a
chamber or passage from the right forepaw to this entrance of
the record chamber, or record tomb. This may not be entered
without an understanding, for those that were left as guards
may NOT be passed until after a period of their regeneration
in the Mount, or the fifth root race begins.

In the building of the pyramid, and that which is now called
the Mystery of Mysteries, this was intended to be a MEMORIAL
- as would be termed today - to that counsellor who ruled or
governed, or who acted in the capacity of the director in the
MATERIAL things in the land. With the return of the priest
(as it had been stopped), this was later - by Isis, the
queen, or the daughter of Ra - turned so as to present to
those peoples in that land the relationships of man and
the animal or carnal world with those changes that fade or
fall away in their various effect. These may be seen in a
different manner presented in many of the various sphinxes,
as called, in other portions of the land - as the lion with
the man, the various forms of wing, or characterizations in
their various developments. These were as presentations of
those projections that had been handed down in their various
developments of that which becomes man - as in the present.

18. We are through.

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We are the 4th Root Race..1 more to go..

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 12:44:14 am
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Neko, I have to agree...

Those writing don't sound like anything in the A.D. part of recorded time.

IamthatIam, the ideas about root races is interesting. I was writting some time ago here in the AR forums that The Atlantean culture could have been part of the second root race.
The first was of human/hybrid nature that was created to preserve to 2 races of both human and extraterrestial kind.

This extraterrestial race was often thought to be Satan and his rebel Angels. As this story goes, Adams blood line must have been preserved in Noah. This was the pure form of Gods creation and the rest were a contaminated breed of human that must not continue. The flood then washed them from the face of the lands they occupied.

The third race of human kind was then reborn and this was what the Atlanteans, Mu, and the rest had came about from.

A great war between "The Gods" and this generation had all but destroyed about 85 percent of these 3rd kind and with them the knowlegde went with them. The remaining 15 percent spread throughout the lands and gave birth to the Egyptians, Mayans, Incas, native American Indians and so on.

These were seperated and more roots of man were born.

Asian Cultures are beleive to be a remaining part of that 3 rd root race that did survive the Great war.....


This theory that I came up with was from some of the ideas within this forum about how ancient man could have came to be.
Again I wouldn't even know how to begin proving this but I will say that from what is written here, that this theory has as much support as it will have skeptisism.

These ages of man was something that were numbered into 7 and it was written here again that this is the sixth age.

5 races of man into 7 ages of existence is kinda interesting to think about too.
I say this because there are 12 signs in the zodiac and, a coming age called the age of aquarius.
The Mayan Calender shows twelve ages as well. Hmmmm


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This is really a cominbation topic. I got a little curious the other day, & began to wonder how many names I could come up with Pre-Flood. Since I knew that Jesus' lineage goes back to Adam, I thought the best way to figure this out is to go to Luke 3, and read Jesus' lineage.

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Noe, which was the son of Lamech, 37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan, 38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam,
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and of course the Father of Adam was God.

This is what I came up with.

There were actually 10 ancestors.

Here they are...the correlation between them & Atlantis Kings is remarkable. Now, this is not to say it was the same, but it is something to think about.

NAME AGE

God - Infinite
Adam - 930
Seth - 912
Enos - 905
Cainan - 910
Mahalaleel - 895
Jared - 962
Enoch - ??? Did not die?
Methusaleh - 969 The oldest man
Lamech - 777

Noah - 500

FLOOD

Noah - 950

His 3 sons - Japheth, Ham & Shem - are the "fathers" of the rest of humanity , and Jesus came from Shem - Semite.

Since we also know that there were other people on Earth @ the time, and since this is the complete story of only one group of people, I do not see why it was not possible that others might have survived the flood, but a very, very few.

JAPHETH

I do think it is interesting to note that one of Japheth's sons was named "Magog".


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the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. 4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. 5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
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the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan. 7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtechah: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan. 8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD. 10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. 11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah, 12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city. 13 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim, 14 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim. 15 And Canaan begat Sidon his first born, and Heth, 16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite, 17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite, 18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad. 19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.
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the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations. 21 Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were children born.
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Ham was the Father of Asian, Arab, etc..

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22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram. 23 And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash. 24 And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber. 25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan. 26 And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazarmaveth, and Jerah, 27 And Hadoram, and Uzal, and Diklah, 28 And Obal, and Abimael, and Sheba, 29 And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab: all these were the sons of Joktan. 30 And their dwelling was from Mesha, as thou goest unto Sephar a mount of the east. 31 These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations. 32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.
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Shem was the Father of the Jews/Hebrews.

Now, we have discussed the idea that Eumelus' name came from the language of the region known as Gadeirus, even though at the time, there was no country and the region had no name.

Now, read these passages:

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after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations. 32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.

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Now, read these carefully. Japheth & Ham - their nations were named BEGINNING WITH THE "TONGUES" (language).

BUT, Shem's nations were named FIRST by their FAMILIES - not by their "tongues".

I believe that this is separated BECAUSE it is the beginning of the story of the Jews/Hebrews.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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God - Infinite
Adam - 930
Seth - 912
Enos - 905
Cainan - 910
Mahalaleel - 895
Jared - 962
Enoch - ??? Did not die?
Methusaleh - 969 The oldest man
Lamech - 777

Noah - 500

FLOOD

Noah - 950
=11 Generations 


Japheth, Ham & Shem - are the "fathers" of the rest of humanity , and Jesus came from Shem - Semite.

Now how could we break down the generations of man since Jesus? And then divide the 2006 years by 12 to connect different occurences or to predetermine how or when the new age begins or how/when this age will end. Thats if it can be done. Keep in mind that in the bible, that it describes how many years each from the above generations lived beyond the time of giving rise to the next.One more thing I am curious to see if that time we come up with will equal a time span of 144,000 years since Adam. I'm also curious to see if this equation will be the same as the distance in years shown on the Mayan Calender.
I might be reading into this to much but any pattern to all of this would be an awesome discovery.

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Anyway, getting back to Zawi Hawass, last time I was in Egypt, I saw him at a party and flatout asked him how much Atlantean culture he had destroyed this year.

Tongue in his cheek, he said, "that's for me to know and you to find out, Psycho."

Well, I didn't like his attitude and I grabbed him by the lapels and I shook him, saying, "have you no shame? Have you no shame??"

Well, like a sissy, he then began to cry and whine for the police. I think I slapped him around a couple of times before they pulled me off him. When they tried to take me away, he began laughing madly and told me:

"Soon, it will be all gone, Psycho! All gone, all the glorious Atlantean culture we have found, the remnants of the Temple of Neith, the Emerald Tablet of Thoth, the Turin Papyrus, the secret chamber under the paw of the Sphinx, and only Egyptians will get credit for our wondrous pyramids!! Only Egyptians!!! It will be as if your precious Atlantis died again!!" Zawi's laugh, by the way, is a lot like that of Ming the Merciless, if anyone has ever seen any of those old Flash Gordon serials.  ;)

Well, I told him he would never get away with it, and he yelled back. "I already have! National Geographic believes me, the whole world believes me!!! I am the great Zawi Hawass, like the great Ramses, myself unto like a living god!!!"

And that night, as I sat in my prison cell, he made sure I had a good view of the Egyptians and their nightly bonfires of recovered Atlantean artifacts, these days most of the loot coming from the newly unearthed secret chamber of the Sphinx. At one time, he held up an Emerald Tablet of Osiris (yep, he had one, two), and gleefully smashed it on the ground right before me, then smiled, as if proud of what he had done.

"There is your wretched Atlantis, Psycho, now there is only Egypt, Egypt, EGYPT!!!"
I guess what I don't like is the guy is so two-faced about it!

The next day he gave an interview about how looney the latest round of new theories are. He is also the co-founder with Mark Lerner) of a secret Egyptian organization called SMEBA (Society to make Egypt BORING again). I guess by now all of us here know where his loyalties lie by now, though.
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Psycho- you live up to your name man..

LOL
If this story is true, then you should have removed his head. That would have made a nice conversation piece. Hell,I'll go with you the next time!  >:( The whole time I could picture Zawi Hawass doing exactly that.
Wow, what a terrible thing that would be.
Dude please, no more visuals.
I don't want to go to prison for beating that guy.

P.S. Koodos if you really did slap him.
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Doesn't Thoth say that he is the creator of civilization,science, and technology? I believe there are references to him on this in the Egyptian Book of the Dead.

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Thoth Well known God with the head of an Ibis. He's a good all-rounder for Arts, Science, Music, Astronomy, Speech and Letters.
If ever a God was greater than great it was THOTH. In one translation his name is prefixed with the word 'great' no less than eight times. Thoth may have helped to reduce the embarrassment caused by having a name that looks like a lithp.

His resume seems too be impressive to be true - but most of the facts speak for themselves. He is the master of time, mathematics, astronomy, readin', writin', 'rythematic - and almost anything else you can point a pair of dividers at.

365 days in a year? Thank THOTH. 12 hours of day and 12 hours of night? Thank THOTH. Circles having 360 degrees? Thank THOTH.

His bestselling BOOK-OF-THE-DEAD is still in print and you will never be able to hitch-hike to Heaven on the Nile without it.

He does have his eccentricities - he sometimes likes to revert back to the good old OGDOAD days and appear as a baboon. Not just any old baboon, but one that could have written the complete works of Shakespeare before Shakespeare existed. (Now there's an idea - it's always been known that Shakespeare could hardly write his own name let alone spell it, so who really wrote all those plays that bearded scene-shifter claimed as his own?) In the custom of the times he chose the head of an Ibis with a fancy wig for those high-flying occasions.

Encouraging RA to call himself Top God left THOTH free to run just about everything without any fuss or hassle. Pocket calculators? THOTH used the whole of heaven, available to all on a grand scale. To make it easier, all the stars and planets required for calculation are associated with favourite Gods. Need to work something out via Sirius? Log in and have HATHOR guide you. Need the moon for phases, time or tides? Go to THOTH; he chose to be Top Moon God alongside his best buddy KHONSU.

Cool, modest, unflappable, and a brilliant arbitrator, THOTH has stood the test of time, time and time again. Full ticks and tocks to this tip-top God.

He was also known to Greek God geeks as Hermes Trismegistus, possibly to avoid talking with a lisp.

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So basically you're saying that Thoth is the reason there are pyramids in Egypt and why we have the Book of Dead any info on the pyramids in the Americas? Because Thoth would be in Egypt so who was in the Americas?

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You name it. All races have been in America; long before Columbus or Leif either one was a gleam in his pappys eye. It will come forth, sooner or later that the new world isn't very new. Whatever calamity hit the earth 10 or 12,000 years ago effectively severed the ties between the west and the east. It just took a few thousand years for the reconnection to take place. Africans, europeans, polynesians, chinese, japanese, australians, and who knows who all else have made there way here at one time or another.BTW Thoth is in the same league as Posidon and Zeus; much talked about; no firm facts.
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But who's the god in Aztec and Mayan civilizations similar to Thoth? Or do they even have one?

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The only information I have about them is that they were originally kept within the Great Pyramid in trust of the priesthood that Thoth had appointed before his departure to the Halls of Amenti. Later the tablets went with some of the members of this priesthood and settled in South America’s Yucatan with the Mayan tribes. There the tablets were kept beneath an altar of one of the Sun God’s temples. After the Mayan tribes were conquered by the Spanish in the 1500’s, the temples were deserted and the tablets forgotten about. In the early 1900’s a Dr. Doreal, the founder of the Brotherhood of the White Temple was instructed, perhaps via some form of channeled information, to return the Emerald Tablets to the Great Pyramid in Egypt. This was eventually done, but before giving up the actual physical tablets he was allowed to translate them-into English from the Atlantean script they were originally written in-and keep a copy for himself. This was done in 1925. Later he was given permission to release these translations to the public at large. Or so the story goes. I’m guessing that only Dr. Doreal himself had any contact with the tablets, so its impossible to verify this story’s accuracy.


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Bloodroyal: Information about the Emerald Tablets of Thoth, along with an online copy you can read, can be found at: http://www.crystalinks.com/emeraldpreface.html

They are allegedly 13 tablets written by the Egyptian god Thoth, who spent time learning the ways of the spirit in ancient Atlantis before its destruction. Thoth, as a historical character, has always held great interest for me. He brought advanced knowledge and high culture to the many civilizations he encountered after departing from Atlantis: the Great Pyramid at Giza is apparently his creation. I had known that he was also identified as Hermes and Mercury, but recently found out some more information about him. He is also the god referred to as Quetzalcoatl by the Mayans in South America. In Sumerian legend he was one of the warring Annunaki, born a son of Enki, and brother to Marduk (Ra). He stated that he is of pure Orion/Rigelian descent, meaning that his bloodline is not human but reptilian--this makes sense of why Quetzalcoatl was known as the ’winged serpent’ god. This theory does seem to have some backup: the Pyramid complex was constructed as a starmap to Orion’s beltstars. Zecharia Sitchin’s book, When Time Began, contains more information about this Thoth/Quetzalcoatl connection. Given all this information about Thoth and the origins of man and the evolution of our culture, it seems to provide some support to the apparently outlandish theories of David Icke and such that man is and always has been the servants of a race of powerful reptilian entities, some benevolent and some malevolent, and that many modern mystery schools--all governed by that secret group we know and love, the Illuminati--are controlled by the negative factions of these entities who try to prevent the advanced esoteric knowledge getting out into the world at large. So read, speculate, and enjoy.

http://www.paranormalnews.com/usernotebook.asp?nUserID=14603

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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so true,in the negative factions are the alpha draconis from alpha draconis star sytem,what i
now the greys/grays are there creation pure
cybernetic beings that only full fill there
masters orders,and they are behind the there
master plan called new world order,there trying
that earth nations not trust each other and
wage war on eatch other,the dracos profit from
the wars,and something else not all aliens are
bad,there is a maority of good aliens that
cant interveint in plan of dracos,if they
will try the dracos will treath them to use
nukes to anhilate us,we are keept hostage
by them from the downfall of atlantis..

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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No Aztec or Mayan god is similar to Thoth. The Aztecs and Mayans had several gods; the principal one being Quenzacoatl or the feathered serpent; I'm sure George Erickson will correct me if I'm wrong here. The name Thoth exists as myth; but the emerald tablets and what they supposedly contain are straight fiction. There is not a scrap of physical evidence they ever existed outside someones imagination.
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I thought Thoth was the baboon headed god of the Egyptians though. He's the god of wisdom. His Greek equivalent is Hermes.

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Babon-headed; Egyptian. Monkey-headed; Hindian.
Is there a Mayan/Aztec equivalent?!
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Originally posted by Boreasi:
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Egyptian- Thoth, baboon=wisdom

Hindu-Hanuman

I'm Hindu but haven't thought much on Hanuman he kind of appears here and there.

In fact you reminded me of a dream I had of Hanuman too, along with the Nagini and Shesha dream. The Hindu gods like my dreams too much.

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I saw Jesus in my nacho cheese sauce the other day  :D

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As there are no baboons in the new world (except a few in Washington DC)  :) there wouldn't be a baboon headed god of wisdom. Hey George!! Did the Aztecs, Olmecs, Mayans ,Incas, etc. have a specific god of wisdom? I do not remember any.
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No, but there are monkeys  :)

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Speaking of Hanuman: Did you hear about the supposed Hanuman avatar. He was born three years and he bears just about everything about Hanuman. Tail, injured foot and all. He's stirred up a lot of commotion in India. I would've said it's just a deformity if he didn't have the other things going on besides the tail. It was on Ripley's three years ago.

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Ripley's three years ago.


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hey, this article tho is kinda interesting
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Interesting....Yes. True?....remains to be seen, but Lemuria is out. Mu possibly; Atlantis.....maybe. But Lemuria never existed. It was a fairly modern day construction to explain the existance of widely seperated colonies of lemurs (furry protomonkeys). Consider the very name, "Lemuria". It means land of the lemurs. Lemurs were scientifically named "lemurs" in the 1800s. Think about it.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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I can see their being a mixture of Atlantean and Mu blood in the Americas but more so in the North American or Mexico region. If Mu didn't exist I would say the south americans indians came from...well...India  :)

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:24:10 pm
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Neko they have come from a great many places. We know they have Asian characteristics. There is pretty good evidence that the Chinese made land fall before Columbus, as did Vikings, Japanese, The Aztecs claim to have come from Aztlan (coincidence?) many Olmec statues appear to be african. Roman coins have been dug up in South America. There are pictures drawn of elephants (The Mastodont was supposedly dead 10.000 years ago, so who saw the elephant to draw it?) Many old pictograms in south america show heavily bearded men while native americans who are pure blooded sport very little facial hair. The Hairy Anu of Japan could have been amoung the hoards that crossed the Atlantic and Pacific oceans to the "new" world. The natives of the americas are a seperate race and rightly so. With the new methods of genetic coding we may actually find just who all did call this continent home. But I guarentee you it wasn't a few wonderers crossing the Bering Strait, though they would have added to the gene poll.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:24:34 pm
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Yeah, the whole Aztlan thing is what is odd, sound just like Atlantis. There have even Caucasian skulls in the Eastern part of the United States not to mention Haplogroup X DNA which is found on both sides of the Atlantic, coincidence again? The haplogroup X DNA has been found in Iroquois Indians, the Gaunches mummies, some British and Irish people, and the blond haired people from Spain (forgot their name). So this is all too much of a coincidence for me. Especially since the Iroquois and Guanches' DNA match up.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:25:33 pm
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The Mandan indians were white, many had blue eyes. This is historically true. James Fennimore Cooper wrote about them and their way of life in his novels. Unfortunately they also were wiped out by disease; making study of them difficult for todays scientists.There is speculation that they were welsh by origin. Something about some of their customs being the same or similar.Many eastern tribes had the caucasion nose rather than the flatter nose of most native americans. There were other amonalies.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:26:35 pm
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yes, the eastern tribes are also taller than what asian blood gives people. They had high cheekbones and aquiline noses. The Celtic and Welsh peoples probably came from Atlantis also and the mandans are probably a long lost family of them lol.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:27:40 pm
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“...American Indian tribes varied widely in physical appearances, languages, and lifestyles, and represented different kinds of amalgamations of earlier peoples... .East Coast native Americans resembled European and Middle Eastern populations physically more than they did Far Eastern peoples, while the reverse was true on the West Coast. Canadian Takhelne were related to Gaelic or some other Old World language. Pottery abruptly appearing in the Northeast about 1000 B.C.E. was closer in type to then-contemporary North European pottery (Vignette I) than to other American types.”(19)

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:28:15 pm
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This is so cool!!!
I didn't know about the Mandan Indians at all until Brig and Neko started talking about them!
More proof that there was an Atlantis!!!
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:28:48 pm
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So you are saying Atlantis was the land of the monkeys.   :) :) :) 
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:29:25 pm
 
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Uhhhhhhh,Doc; where did you read that into the manuscript? The only mention I remember concerning "monkeys" weren't really Monkeys....yet. They were the forerunners of monkeys called Lemurs. I guess Lemuria must have been peopled with protomonkeys; but certainly not Atlantis.  ;)
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:30:00 pm
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Originally posted by Psycho:
Anyway, getting back to Zawi Hawass, last time I was in Egypt, I saw him at a party and flatout asked him how much Atlantean culture he had destroyed this year.

Tongue in his cheek, he said, "that's for me to know and you to find out, Psycho."

Well, I didn't like his attitude and I grabbed him by the lapels and I shook him, saying, "have you no shame? Have you no shame??"

Well, like a sissy, he then began to cry and whine for the police. I think I slapped him around a couple of times before they pulled me off him. When they tried to take me away, he began laughing madly and told me:

"Soon, it will be all gone, Psycho! All gone, all the glorious Atlantean culture we have found, the remnants of the Temple of Neith, the Emerald Tablet of Thoth, the Turin Papyrus, the secret chamber under the paw of the Sphinx, and only Egyptians will get credit for our wondrous pyramids!! Only Egyptians!!! It will be as if your precious Atlantis died again!!" Zawi's laugh, by the way, is a lot like that of Ming the Merciless, if anyone has ever seen any of those old Flash Gordon serials. 

Well, I told him he would never get away with it, and he yelled back. "I already have! National Geographic believes me, the whole world believes me!!! I am the great Zawi Hawass, like the great Ramses, myself unto like a living god!!!"

And that night, as I sat in my prison cell, he made sure I had a good view of the Egyptians and their nightly bonfires of recovered Atlantean artifacts, these days most of the loot coming from the newly unearthed secret chamber of the Sphinx. At one time, he held up an Emerald Tablet of Osiris (yep, he had one, two), and gleefully smashed it on the ground right before me, then smiled, as if proud of what he had done.

"There is your wretched Atlantis, Psycho, now there is only Egypt, Egypt, EGYPT!!!"

I guess what I don't like is the guy is so two-faced about it!

The next day he gave an interview about how looney the latest round of new theories are. He is also the co-founder with Mark Lerner) of a secret Egyptian organization called SMEBA (Society to make Egypt BORING again). I guess by now all of us here know where his loyalties lie by now, though.
 
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Okay, Pyscho, please tell me he didn't say that!
And if HE DID then why on earth haven't you brought this to the attention of everybody on this planet! If Hawass is admitting to hiding information that belongs to THE WORLD, because he's an arrogant you know what, then WE need to do something about it because he is effectively keeping the world from learning our true history! And that "insert choice name here" is lying to to the world, to himself, and to every culture on the planet. He has NO RIGHT TO HIDE THE TRUTH! It's people like him that burned the Library at Alexandria! IF it was me and Hawass acted this way, I'd have it plastered all over the internet and I'd specifically target Hawass's pages. And National Geographic, I'm sure they'd love to know they're dupped, as would the rest of the world.

It's deplorable and evil! Hawass is just another one of Seth's Minions, bent on decieving the world and pulling others into the darkness with him. When he should be enlightening; he is not worthy.

So, all I want to know now is who else witnessed this and where can I find them, because it is our obligation to make this known! ! I'm sure Graham Hancock, Robert Schoch, and many others would love to know about this conversation and admittance of guilt!

Gosh what a way to start posting again after so long.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:30:34 pm
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Hawass is dumbest Egyptologist I've ever seen, he called a sphinx a god last time I checked it was a mythological creature, not necessarily a god.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:31:01 pm
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I couldn't agree more, but the point is we can't have a man in this type of powerful position; espcially if he is destroying human history over such childish selfishness. I've never heard of an archaeologist who would destroy artifacts like this and it sickens me to think that he could be getting away with it because no one has enough nerve to stand up to the Tyrant and make people believe the truth! Hawass shouldn't be allowed to be unsupervised. I mean, why destroy it? Why not lock it away so no one ever sees it? To destroy it is to only dig a deeper hole and it will cast his soul into the Fires of the Duat. His ancestors would be ashamed! And what happens when someone actually gets to the bottom of the Atlantic and finds the evidence that links the two cultures? Will he admit his wrongdoing or will he just go down in history as another Crusader? Or when the second Hall of Records, supposedly hidden in the Mayan world, is found outside of his control? Then what's he going to do? Switch to another field so he can destroy that information too?

Too many people just allow these supposed experts to control what they believe without question. When are people are going to take back their own countries without turning to the U.S. to do it for them? Take back what's yours don't stand there and beg others for help when the only way to do it is to do it yourself.
When will people take their own minds? When will people grow up!!!???

Why must we live in the Dark Ages because experts hide our history? Why can't people be brave enough to stand up and say what the heck is wrong with this world?! We shouldn't! We, the enlightened children of the Supreme Creator, have not only the right but the OBLIGATION to change what doesn't work. Try exercising that constitutional right without getting thrown in jail!

Sorry, I'm so passionate about this, but we can't just sit back in our comfy little wooden caves and let this continue!

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:31:34 pm
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I agree with you, it's ridiculous! Why would anyone in their right mind destroy a historic artifact? He's crazy that's my only explanation.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:32:25 pm
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I wonder how many other artifacts that archaeologists have either destroyed or hid away cause it didn't fit in with their current DULL theories??
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:32:59 pm
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Who knows! This really pisses me off. >.<

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:33:35 pm
 
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I agree, Zawi is the worst, though, he's an Atlantean artifacts destroying charlatan!!!
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:35:03 pm
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After so much trouble our ancestors go through trying to preserve their history some numbnuts have to go destroy it, I hope he burns in hell.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:35:58 pm
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When he gets to the Egyptian underworld, he'll find Osiris waiting for him there and he'll be PISSED!!!
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:36:48 pm
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I'll say,ooooooo that would be funny  ;D oooooo fire

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:37:31 pm
 
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If I were Isis, I'd be slapping Zawi around so much when he got there...
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:37:57 pm
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he needs to meet Anubis too so he can weigh his sins  :)

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:38:38 pm
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Or almighty Ra, who's anger can shake the earth!!!
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Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:39:19 pm
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Wow, gee, isn't that a coincidence.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:39:49 pm
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Either way, when Zawi gets to the Egyptian underworld, he'll have some explaining to do!!!
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Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:40:36 pm
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Yup, I think we have found the antichrist.  :)

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:41:10 pm
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But he's not charming enough to be the anti-Christ!

Plus, he's not good at deceiving people!!!
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Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:41:37 pm
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That's true. Nevermind then.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:42:11 pm
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I don't agree. It seems Hawass has been deceiving people very well because he's been getting away with this. And it's Thoth and Ma'at who weighs the heart at judgement. But it is Ammut who will devour his soul.

Psycho still hasn't replied here though. Please, if you read this, PM me as I want to write an article about this and spread the truth. I have nothing to lose by doing it either as I'm a meager little housewife.  ;D

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Did you know atlanteans are 9-10 feet in height and mt.sasha is a fogotten land too and the pyramids at giza all have something in common, they follow the "golden ratio" ask me anything i should know dispite how much i actually know.
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An introduction to Hermetic Philosophy

The text of the Emerald tablet is brief- only thirteen lines- but it is the cornerstone of the Hermetic movement. The origin of this mysterious text is shrouded in antiquity, and even its name is a mystery, yet is has been an inspiration for alchemists and magicians for hundreds of years. The well known Hermetic axiom, “As above, so below” is derived directly from the Emerald Tablet. It may be the oldest Hermetic text known, predating both the Corpus Hermeticum and the Christian religion.

The Tablet languished in relative obscurity until the middle ages, when it began to circulate throughout the alchemical community through contact with Muslim mystics. Scholars believe the original was written in Greek, but the oldest surviving copies are Arabic translations. Despite its mysterious origin, many have imputed great significance to the text- its famous translators include Roger Bacon, Isaac Newton, and even HP Blavatsky.

The philosophical ideas contained within are profound- influencing medieval alchemists, Jewish kabbalists, Masons, and ritual magicians alike.

Without lie, certain and most true:
What is below is is like what is above, and what is above is like what is below, to accomplish the miracle of the One thing.
The introductory stanza introduces the now well known concept of the macrocosm, or world of divinity, and its relationship to the microcosm, the world of matter and of man, and the union between them, as described by mystics throughout history.

In truth, and without Lie, And just as all things have been from the one, so also they are born from this one thing by adaptation.
This line describes a very kabbalistic world view: that of emanation. In Kabbalistic cosmology, all of creation emanates in ever expanding layers of complexity, yet all are at the same time part of an unknowable, limitless power. The nature of God is considered impenatrable, for every attempt to describe or name something imposes limits upon it, and seperates that thing further from divinty. There is also an eerie parallel to the current scientific cosmological model- beyond the veils of exitence and before the first emanation is the no-thing- the limitless light, or ain sof, which contracted into an infinite point to effect the creation of the universe.

Its father is the sun, its mother the moon. The wind has borne it, its nurse is the earth. This one thing is the father of all things in the universe.

This reflects another kabbalistic formula. “It” in this case refers to the perfected or reborn psyche. The Mother moon is Yesod, the ego, the sphere of reflection and illusion. The Sun is tiphareth, the 'Higher self,' which can be likened to the ‘first face’ in Buddhism. It is the immortal spirit. The wind is the divine breath, the spiritual life force. The earth that nurses it is the material body, the id, our animal nature.

Its power is perfect, after it has been united with the earth.
This refers to the experience of Divine Union spoken of in mystic tractates the world over. This union is achieved by uniting the divine essence with the physical body. It is the aim of Yoga, the goal of Ritual magick, and the essence of Satori.

Separate earth from fire, the subtle from the dense, with gentle heat and much devotion.
One must learn to diferentiate between the things of matter and things of the spirit, between the yearnings of the soul and the desires of the ego- the gross appetites and vanities must be sifted out to reveal the true self beneath.

In great measure, it ascends from earth to heaven, descends again toward earth, and recieves the force of the things above and below.
Thus you will possess the glory of the world, all obscurity shall flee away from thee.

The physical body is now integrated with the immortal soul, and the aspirant is awakened to the purpose of his existence.

This is the force of all force, it will overcome everything subtle, and penetrate everything solid.
In this manner, the world was created, but the map of this road is hidden.

This describes the personal nature of spiritual knowledge, which can only be gained through personal experience- it cannot be described accurately to one who has not yet exerienced it. Each aspirant must find the path on their own.

For this reason I am called "Hiram Telat Machasot"- one in essence, but three in aspect. In this trinity is the wisdom of the whole world.
This curious phrase is Chaldean in origin, and has been suspected as the true identity of the Hiram Abiff of Masonic legend. Chiram means ‘universal,’ and contains the root letter of the elements of air, water, and fire, a play on words that echoes the Hebrew tetragrammaton, the four letter name of God which also incorporates the element,s and forms the basis for all kabbalistic doctrine.

The tablet closes:

And so I have been called: Hermes thrice greatest, having the three parts of the philosophy of the world.

The "three parts" refer to the mystery traditions of the three cultures represented by the Roman Mercury, the Greek Hermes, and the Egyptian Thoth, the composite deity Hermes Trismegistus (Thrice Great) to whom the authorship of many texts is attributed, hence "Hermetic" writings.

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Emerald Tablet - definition of Emerald Tablet in Encyclopedia

The Emerald Tablet (or Smaragdine Table or Tablet) of Hermes Trismegistus is a short, cryptic text purporting to reveal the secret of the primordial substance and its transmutations.
The Tablet has also been found appended to manuscripts of the Kitab Ustuqus al-Uss al-Thani (Second Book of the Elements of Foundation) attributed to Jabir ibn Hayyan, and the Kitab Sirr al-Khaliqa wa San`at al-Tabi`a (Book of the Secret of Creation and the Art of Nature), dated between 650 and 830 AD.
Because of its longstanding popularity, the Emerald Tablet is the only piece of non-Greek Hermetica to attract widespread attention in the West.
encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com /Emerald_Tablet (537 words)


Emerald Tablet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Emerald Tablet, also known as Smaragdine Table, Tabula Smaragdina, or The Secret of Hermes, is an ancient text purporting to reveal the secret of the primordial substance and its transmutations.
Many manuscripts of this copy of the Emerald Tablet and the commentary of Ortolanus survive, dating at least as far back as the 15th century.
C.G. Jung identified "The Emerald Tablet" with a table made of green stone which he encountered in the first of a set of his dreams and visions beginning at the end of 1912, and climaxing in his writing the Seven Sermons to the Dead in 1916.
en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Emerald_Tablet (959 words)


Alchemy: The Emerald Tablet and The Emerald Formula
The Emerald Tablet is an ancient artifact that reveals a profound spiritual technology, which has survived to this day despite centuries of effort to suppress it.
Encoded within the tablet's mysterious wording is a powerful formula that works in very specific and comprehensible steps on all levels of reality at once -- the physical, the mental, and the spiritual -- and shows us how to achieve personal transformation and even accelerate the evolution of our species.
According to the Emerald Tablet, "Its mother is the Moon." Element: Water.
www.experiencefestival.com /a/Alchemy/id/5870 (2927 words)


Thelemapedia: The Encyclopedia of Thelema & Magick | Emerald Tablet
The Emerald Tablet (or in Latin, Tabula Smaragdina) is a short text considered to be a cornerstone of the Hermetic movement and fundamental to the Art of Alchemy.
C.G. Jung identified "The Emerald Tablet" with a table made of green stone that he encountered in the first of a set of his dreams and visions beginning at the end of 1912, and climaxing in his writing the Seven Sermons to the Dead in 1916.
He paraphrased the Emerald Tablet briefly in his glossary entry for Kether in the first volume of Book Four, and quoted the same portion in a description of Tiphareth in "The Magical Theory of the Universe" (Chapter 0 of Magick in Theory and Practice).
www.thelemapedia.org /index.php/The_Emerald_Tablet (729 words)


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Emerald Tablet of Hermes Many years ago, a group of people decided to publish different translations of the Emerald Tabletand various commentaries upon it.
In medieval times the emerald table of the Gothic kings of Spain, and the Sacro catino- a dish said to have belonged to the Queen of Sheba, to have been used at the last supper, and to be made of emerald, were made of green glass [Steele and Singer: 488].
Dobbs, B.J. "Newton's Commentary on the Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus" in Merkel, I and Debus A.G. Hermeticism and the Renaissance.
wolf.mind.net /library/ancient/emerald/ontablet.txt (7345 words)


ALCHEMY LINKS
The Emerald Tablet is a translation of the document that reflects the beliefs and dogma of the Freemasons.
The Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean is an interesting collection of interpretations of the tablet and its history using the voice of Thoth himself.
The Emerald Tablet of Hermes is a one-page translation of the tablet that emphasizes the occult interpretation of its words in terms of chaos magic.
www.alchemyguild.org /links.htm (3550 words)


Dave's Down To Earth Rock Shop Emerald!!!
Emerald crystallizes in the structure of prismatic crystals, sometimes vertically striated and terminated by small pyramid-like faces, as well as hexagonal, and hexagonal prisms.
Emeralds were sacred to the Great Goddess, symbolizing her green-clad earth in spring festivals.
Emerald remained the stone of Venus, or Aphrodite, to be worn on her holy day, Friday.
www.davesdowntoearthrockshop.com /emerald.htm (1115 words)


Dragon Key Press Articles
And yet, their wisdom is said to be based on the Emerald Tablet of Hermes, begging the question of whether or not it was in fact the Emerald Tablet that they found.
Hermes had a similar tablet, said to be the color of emerald, and to contain all the secrets of alchemy, known to the gods.
In occult lore these tablets are traditionally equated with the Emerald Tablet as well, for there is a secret legend which states that Moses acquired the Tablet from the priests of Egypt prior to the Exodus.
www.dragonkeypress.com /articles/article_2004_10_20_4442.html (6568 words)


Emerald Tablets of Thoth
The Emerald Tablets of Thoth is a very important spiritual work It is probably the oldest mystical work.
Alexander the Great may be the discoverer of the Tablet (which may actually be green glass, rather than green stone granite), and it is one of the few remaining works of Egyptian (many burnt in the library at Alexandria).
Here is the Emerald Table of Hermes as given in Patrick J Smiths book above (his book includes an interpretation by Hortulanus and the history of the tablets).
www.inthelight.co.nz /spirit/emeraldtablets/tablets.htm (714 words)


Emerald Tablet,Hermes, alchemy, hermetic, christ,
The Emerald Tablet is the cornerstone of western alchemical thought.
An emerald is something of great worth extracted from the earth and mirrors the true work of the Hermetic practice of alchemy, i.e., extracting something of great worth (the spirit) from the physical body.
The emerald is a symbol of "en-LIGHT-ened" Man. Man, according to the Hermetic Philosophy, is a physical form (symbolized by the moon because the body, like the moon, is a baron wasteland without the spirit or "light" of the Sun / spirit) composed of two seeming opposing forces: spirit and body.
www.aloha.net /~johnboy/Etablet.htg/emerald_tablet.htm (1510 words)


United Communities of Spirit
The Emerald Tablets of Thoth The Atlantean The history of the tablets translated in the following pages is strange and beyond the belief of modern scientists.
Among these were some of the pyramid priests who carried with them the Emerald Tablets as a talisman by which they could exercise authority over the less advanced priest-craft of races descended from other Atlantean colonies.
The tablets are fastened together with hoops of golden-colored alloy suspended from a rod of the same material.
origin.org /ucs/doc.cfm?e=1&fg=3194 (1376 words)


The Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus - Rosicrucian Information
The images we see today of the tablet all seem to come from the same source, Manly P. Hall's "Secret Teachings of All Ages" where it was redrawn from Dr. Sigismund Bacstrom's "Original Alchemical Manuscripts".
He reports it was a precious stone, an emerald, and that it had at one time been in liquid form like molten glass where it was cast in a mold to produce the writing.
He says the writing was bas-relief on the tablet as opposed to being engraved.
www.secretoflife.com /rosicrucian/rc_emerald_tablet.html (414 words)


The Emerald Tablet
The Emerald Tablet of Hermes is the original source of Hermetic Philosophy and Alchemy.
According to one legend, the text was originally carved by Hermes on tablets of emerald and placed in the King's Chamber of the Great Pyramid of Cheops.
Although the language of the original version is in doubt, it is through the Latin version reproduced here (along with our own English translation), that the Emerald Tablet rose to pre-eminent fame as a Key to the primary Mysteries of Nature.
www.tree.org /b1d.htm (404 words)


A Hyper-History of the Emerald Tablet
The Emerald Tablet is one of the most revered documents in the Western World, and its Egyptian author, Hermes Trismegistus, has become synonymous with ancient wisdom.
The seventeen treatises of the Corpus expand on the principles of the Emerald Tablet and appear to be records of intimate conversations between Hermes and his disciples.
Alexander took the tablet and scrolls he found in the tomb to Heliopolis, where he placed the scrolls in the sacred archives and put the Emerald Tablet on public display.
www.alchemylab.com /hyper_history.htm (3846 words)


The Emerald Tablet Exercise
The Emerald Tablet Exercise is a series of gentle yet, powerful movements based on the ancient Egyptian Emerald Tablet alchemical formula to regenerate the Body and Mind.
The Emerald Tablet Exercise works on all levels at once: the physical, mental and spiritual for a complete regeneration.
In the same way, the Emerald Tablet Exercise inner workout is to transmute our lower self into the gold of our spiritual Soul.
home.cogeco.ca /~genevieve88/web/TheEmeraldTabletExercise.htm (828 words)


Talk History Forum - The Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismigestus
- - The Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismigestus (http://www.talk-history.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1255)
The Emerald Tablet is something I had never heard of until recently.
The tablet itself is supposed to be as old as ten thousand years, and is believed to have been placed in the king's burial chamber in the Cheops Pyramid (The Great Pyramid at Giza, or the Pyramid of Khufu), and some think it is still there, or buried somewhere in Egypt.
www.talk-history.com /forum/printthread.php?t=1255 (642 words)


Encyclopedia: Emerald Tablet
Hermeticism is either of two things: A tradition of study and practice of occult philosophy and magic.
TABLET I: The History of Thoth, The Atlantean
The Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus is a short, cryptic text purporting to reveal the secret of the primordial substance and its transmutations.
www.nationmaster.com /encyclopedia/Emerald-Tablet (482 words)


Gnostic Mystica
The Emerald Tablet deftly explores the legendary document of the same name, whose origin is lost in legends that date back 10000 years.
Ultimately the purpose of this boko is to encourage its readers to apply the principles of alchemy in their everyday life.
The influence of the Emerald Tablet and alchemical practices on many Western spiritual and religious traditions is discussed as well as the correspondences of planets, elements and metals.
www.gnosticmystica.com /old/library/emerald.asp (193 words)


Al-Ahram Weekly | Books Supplement | Father's little helpers
Jenny Jobbins' The Emerald Tablet, vaguely reminiscent of J K Rowlings' Harry Potter, both exudes charm and induces a sense of perturbation.
However, despite these interesting parallels between the two authors and their books, do not expect the hero, or heroine, in The Emerald Tablet to hatch a dragon or score points while riding a broomstick.
The story is not far- fetched, and in the novel the reader is led gently but firmly by the hand towards the Emerald Tablet in Zerzura, the Oasis of Amoun, and forlorn love.
weekly.ahram.org.eg /2003/669/bo23.htm (807 words)


The Emerald Tablet: Time Capsule of Wisdom from Mankind's Unknown Benefactors.
Molded out of a single piece of green crystal, the Emerald Tablet carries a prophetic message full of hidden meaning.
This breakthrough new book details the fascinating history of the Emerald Tablet and reveals a chemical-spiritual formula hidden in the lines of this ancient time-capsule of wisdom.
Part of the book is dedicated to the alchemist’s startling predictions for the new millennium, and there is also a section on the alchemy of paranormal and mystical experiences that documents the deep changes undergone by scores of people who have actually experienced the hidden reality of which the tablet speaks.
www.alchemylab.com /what_is_the_tablet.htm (669 words)


THE EMERALD TABLET by Dennis Wil
The words preserved in the ancient Emerald Tablet contain the essence of the alchemical teachings.
"The influence of the Emerald Tablet on Western intellectual and spiritual development is an unquestionable fact.
Hauck's contribution reflects a serious effort to present this age-old wisdom in a form that is at once intelligible to the modern mind and faithful to its venerable past.
www.crucible.org /Emerald_Tablet.htm (666 words)


The Emerald Tablet
To these end Thoth created many tablets and markings to be used as keys of enlightenment.
As this is a time for humanity to heal and balance his messages would be connected with the color green linked with the heart chakra, the soul connection to source.
The uncredited source of many of the our mystical and religious traditions, the tablet also inspired over 3,500 years of alchemy, a period in which some of the most creative minds in the world delved into the intertwined mysteries of matter, energy, soul, and spirit.
www.crystalinks.com /emeraldtablet.html (1853 words)


Gnostic Forum > The Emerald Tablet
Jun 1 2004, 01:43 PM Amethyst: I think arin was probably referring to the Emerald Tablet of Hermes.
Jun 1 2004, 02:16 PM I know about the Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean; however, THE Emerald Tablet of Hermes is different...check it out here: http://www.tree.org/b1d.htm
Jun 1 2004, 03:36 PM Amethyst: I think arin was probably referring to the Emerald Tablet of Hermes.
www.gnosis-usa.com /forum/lofiversion/index.php?t166.html (748 words)


The Emerald Tablet - Gnostic Forum
I know about the Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean; however, THE Emerald Tablet of Hermes is different...check it out here: http://www.tree.org/b1d.htm
Amethyst: I think arin was probably referring to the Emerald Tablet of Hermes.
This is another page at the same site that has the long version (Emerald Tablets) noted by Amethyst.
www.gnosis-usa.com /forum/index.php?showtopic=166 (910 words)


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The Emerald Tablet is an ancient Egyptian alchemical formula – the chemistry of the ‘all’ or whole being.
The Emerald Tablet is an ancient artifact that reveals an ancient path of spiritualization and has the power to connect Mind and Soul to create new and more directive realities in our lives.
The Emerald Tablet formula takes us one step further and instructs us how to go beyond these dimensions.
home.cogeco.ca /~genevieve88/web/TheEmeraldTablet.htm (602 words)


The Real Tomb of God: The Grail, The Ark, the Emerald Tablet, and the Forgotten Father of Mankind
And yet, their wisdom is said to be based on the Emerald Tablet, begging the question of whether or not it was in fact the Emerald Tablet that they found.
A 1609 portrait of the Emerald Tablet by Henry Kunrath portrays it in the form of words inscribed on the side of a mountain, with fire issuing from the top.
The author is reminded of the mountain upon which (or in which) Moses inscribed the Tablets of Testimony, which in occult lore is traditionally equated with the Emerald Tablet as well, for there is a secret legend existing which states that Moses acquired the Tablet from the Priests of Egypt prior to the Exodus.
www.21stcenturyradio.com /realtomb-twyman.htm (6112 words)


Emerald Tablet of Hermes
Many years ago, a group of people decided to publish different translations of the Emerald Tablet and various commentaries upon it.
The Tablet probably first appeared in the West in editions of the psuedo-Aristotlean Secretum Secretorum which was actually a translation of the Kitab Sirr al-Asrar, a book of advice to kings which was translated into latin by Johannes Hispalensis c.
The date of the Kitab Sirr al-Asrar is uncertain, though c.800 has been suggested and it is not clear when the tablet became part of this work.
www.alchemywebsite.com /emerald.html (7492 words)


The Emerald Tablet
"The Tablet probably first appeared in the West in editions of the pseudo-Aristotelian Secretum Secretorum which was actually a translation of the Kitab Sirr al-Asar, a book of advice to kings which was translated into Latin by Johannes Hispalensis c.
Other translations of the Tablet may have been made during the same period by Plato of Tivoli and Hugh of Santalla, perhaps from different sources.
After my entrance into the chamber, where the talisman was set up, I came up to an old man sitting on a golden throne, who was holding an emerald table in one hand.
www.mystae.com /restricted/streams/scripts/tablet.html (830 words)


Alchemy - Seven Stages of Alchemical Transformation
The alchemists believed that the univeral formula contained in the Emerald Tablet was the basis for a spiritual technology first introduced on the planet in ancient Egypt more than 10,000 years ago.
The alchemist's schematized body is the offspring of the marriage between the archetypal Sun King, seated on a lion on a hill to his right, and the archetypal Moon Queen, seated on a great fish to his left.
The much anticipated marriage of the King and Queen produces a state of consciousness best described as a feeling intellect, which can be raised and purified to produce a state of perfect intuition, a direct gnosis of reality.
www.deeptrancenow.com /exc3_7operations.htm (950 words)


Amazon.com: The Emerald Tablet : Alchemy of Personal Transformation: Books: Dennis William Hauck
An emerald slab inscribed with the esoteric wisdom of Hermes Trismegistus that may be more than 2000 years old has inspired alchemists throughout history in their quest to understand the relationship between humans and the universe.
Emerald Tablet, One Mind, First Matter, Philosopher's Stone, Hermes Trismegistus, Emerald Formula, Michael Maier, Secret Fire, True Imagination, Atalanta Fugiens, Doctrine of Correspondences, Carl Jung, Corpus Hermeticum, Los Angeles, Great Flood, Great Work, Word of God, Grand Meditation, John Dee, Apollonius of Tyana, Arcanum Experiment, San Francisco, Daniel Mylius, Orientation Rubric, Fountain of Fountains
The Emerald Tablets of Thoth The Atlantean by Doreal
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Spiritual Discussion Forum-Spiritual Forums discussing all things Spiritual at The Soul Element Spiritual Salon
The tablet is not just a formula for changing lead into gold, but a formula for cleansing the soul.
The message of the emerald tablet is that through correspondences between the Above and Below, mankind can know and live in absolute truth.(10) The above and below, are heaven and earth.
So far it seems that the tablet describes many opposites, above and below, sun and moon (male, female) and to some it seems to be a spiritual formula for reaching ascension.
www.thesoulelement.com /ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Bookclub&Number=131908&Main=131821 (1328 words)


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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The History of Thoth, The Atlantean

I, THOTH, the Atlantean, master of mysteries,
keeper of records, mighty king, magician,
living from generation to generation,
being about to pass into the halls of Amenti,
set down for the guidance of
those that are to come after,
these records of the mighty wisdom of Great Atlantis.


In the great city of KEOR on the island of UNDAL,
in a time far past, I began this incarnation.
Not as the little men of the present age did
the mighty ones of Atlantis live and die,
but rather from aeon to aeon did they renew
their life in the Halls of Amenti where the river of life
flows eternally onward.


A hundred times ten
have I descended the dark way that led into light,
and as many times have I ascended from the
darkness into the light my strength and power renewed.


Now for a time I descend,
and the men of KHEM (Khem is ancient Egypt)
shall know me no more.


But in a time yet unborn will I rise again,
mighty and potent, requiring an accounting
of those left behind me.


Then beware, O men of KHEM,
if ye have falsely betrayed my teaching,
for I shall cast ye down from your high estate
into the darkness of the caves from whence ye came.


Betray not my secrets
to the men of the North
or the men of the South
lest my curse fall upon ye.


Remember and heed my words,
for surely will I return again
and require of thee that which ye guard.
Aye, even from beyond time and
from beyond death will I return,
rewarding or punishing
as ye have requited your truest.


Great were my people in the ancient days,
great beyond the conception of the
little people now around me;
knowing the wisdom of old,
seeking far within the heart of infinity
knowledge that belonged to Earth's youth.


Wise were we with the wisdom
of the Children of Light who dwelt among us.
Strong were we with the power drawn
from the eternal fire.


And of all these, greatest among the
children of men was my father, THOTME,
keeper of the great temple,
link between the Children of Light
who dwelt within the temple and the
races of men who inhabited the ten islands.


Mouthpiece, after the Three,
of the Dweller of UNAL,
speaking to the Kings
with the voice that must be obeyed.


Grew I there from a child into manhood,
being taught by my father the elder mysteries,
until in time there grew within the fire of wisdom,
until it burst into a consuming flame.


Naught desired I but the attainment of wisdom.
Until on a great day the command came from the
Dweller of the Temple that I be brought before him.
Few there were among the children of men
who had looked upon that mighty face and lived,
for not as the sons of men are the
Children of Light when they are not incarnate
in a physical body.


Chosen was I from the sons of men,
taught by the Dweller so that his
purposes might be fulfilled,
purposes yet unborn in the womb of time.


Long ages I dwelt in the Temple,
learning ever and yet ever more wisdom,
until I, too, approached the light emitted
from the great fire.


Taught me he, the path to Amenti,
the underworld where the great king sits
upon his throne of might.


Deep I bowed in homage before the Lords of Life
and the Lords of Death,
receiving as my gift the Key of Life.


Free was I of the Halls of Amenti,
bound not be death to the circle of life.
Far to the stars I journeyed until
space and time became as naught.


Then having drunk deep of the cup of wisdom,
I looked into the hearts of men and there found I
greater mysteries and was glad.
For only in the Search for Truth could my Soul
be stilled and the flame within be quenched.


Down through the ages I lived,
seeing those around me taste of the cup
of death and return again in the light of life.


Gradually from the Kingdoms of Atlantis passed waves
of consciousness that had been one with me,
only to be replaced by spawn of a lower star.


In obedience to the law,
the word of the Master grew into flower.
Downward into the darkness turned the
thoughts of the Atlanteans,
Until at last in this wrath arose from his AGWANTI,
the Dweller, (this word has no English equivalent;
it means a state of detachment)
speaking The Word, calling the power.


Deep in Earth's heart, the sons of Amenti heard,
and hearing, directing the changing of the flower of fire
that burns eternally, changing and shifting, using the LOGOS,
until that great fire changed its direction.


Over the world then broke the great waters,
drowning and sinking,
changing Earth's balance
until only the Temple of Light was left
standing on the great mountain on UNDAL
still rising out of the water;
some there were who were living,
saved from the rush of the fountains.


Called to me then the Master, saying:
Gather ye together my people.
Take them by the arts ye have learned of far across the waters,
until ye reach the land of the hairy barbarians,
dwelling in caves of the desert.
Follow there the plan that yet know of.


Gathered I then my people and
entered the great ship of the Master.
Upward we rose into the morning.
Dark beneath us lay the Temple.
Suddenly over it rose the waters.
Vanished from Earth,
until the time appointed,
was the great Temple.


Fast we fled toward the sun of the morning,
until beneath us lay the land of the children of KHEM.
Raging, they came with cudgels and spears,
lifted in anger seeking to slay and utterly destroy the Sons of Atlantis.


Then raised I my staff and directed a ray of vibration,
striking them still in their tracks as fragments
of stone of the mountain.


Then spoke I to them in words calm and peaceful,
telling them of the might of Atlantis,
saying we were children of the Sun and its messengers.
Cowed I them by my display of magic-science,
until at my feet they groveled, when I released them.


Long dwelt we in the land of KHEM,
long and yet long again.
Until obeying the commands of the Master,
who while sleeping yet lives eternally,
I sent from me the Sons of Atlantis,
sent them in many directions,
that from the womb of time wisdom
might rise again in her children.


Long time dwelt I in the land of KHEM,
doing great works by the wisdom within me.
Upward grew into the light of knowledge
the children of KHEM,
watered by the rains of my wisdom.


Blasted I then a path to Amenti so
that I might retain my powers,
living from age to age a Sun of Atlantis,
keeping the wisdom, preserving the records.


Great few the sons of KHEM,
conquering the people around them,
growing slowly upwards in Soul force.


Now for a time I go from among them into
the dark halls of Amenti,
deep in the halls of the Earth,
before the Lords of the powers,
face to face once again with the Dweller.


Raised I high over the entrance, a doorway, a gateway
leading down to Amenti.


Few there would be with courage to dare it,
few pass the portal to dark Amenti.
Raised over the passage, I, a mighty pyramid,
using the power that overcomes Earth force (gravity).
Deep and yet deeper place I a force-house or chamber;
from it carved I a circular passage
reaching almost to the great summit.


There in the apex, set I the crystal,
sending the ray into the "Time-Space,"
drawing the force from out of the ether,
concentrating upon the gateway to Amenti.


Other chambers I built and left vacant to all seeming,
yet hidden within them are the keys to Amenti.
He who in courage would dare the dark realms,
let him be purified first by long fasting.


Lie in the sarcophagus of stone in my chamber.
Then reveal I to him the great mysteries.
Soon shall he follow to where I shall meet him,
even in the darkness of Earth shall I meet him, I,
Thoth, Lord of Wisdom, meet him and hold him
and dwell with him always.


Builded I the Great Pyramid,
patterned after the pyramid of Earth force,
burning eternally so that it, too,
might remain through the ages.


In it, I builded my knowledge of "Magic-Science"
so that I might be here when again I return from Amenti,
Aye, while I sleep in the Halls of Amenti,
my Soul roaming free will incarnate,
dwell among men in this form or another. (Hermes, thrice-born.)


Emissary on Earth am I of the Dweller,
fulfilling his commands so many might be lifted.
Now return I to the halls of Amenti,
leaving behind me some of my wisdom.
Preserve ye and keep ye the command of the Dweller:
Lift ever upwards your eyes toward the light.


Surely in time, ye are one with the Master,
surely by right ye are one with the Master,
surely by right yet are one with the ALL.


Now, I depart from ye.
Know my commandments,
keep them and be them,
and I will be with you,
helping and guiding you into the Light.


Now before me opens the portal.
Go I down in the darkness of night.


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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:50:23 pm
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What Is the Emerald Tablet?

The Emerald Tablet is an ancient artifact that reveals a profound spiritual technology, which has survived to this day despite centuries of effort to suppress it. Encoded within the tablet's mysterious wording is a powerful formula that works in very specific and comprehensible steps on all levels of reality at once -- the physical, the mental, and the spiritual -- and shows us how to achieve personal transformation and even accelerate the evolution of our species. The source of alchemy and the Hermetic sciences, the tablet's universal approach made it forbidden knowledge, condemned by patriarchal powers for thousands of years, from the Egyptian priesthood, to the medieval Church, to our modern politicians and religious leaders. To ensure the survival of such "dangerous" principles, which guide people to higher states of consciousness, the ancients concealed their knowledge in a succinct declaration that has become a time capsule of wisdom for future generations.

Molded out of a single piece of green crystal, the Emerald Tablet carries a prophetic message full of hidden meaning. Although its true origin is lost in legends that go back over 10,000 years, the wondrous artifact was translated into Greek by Alexandrian scholars and actually put on display in Egypt in 330 BC. Around the year 400 AD, it was reportedly buried somewhere on the Giza plateau to protect it from religious zealots who were burning libraries around the world at that time. Many believe the tablet still lies hidden there.

Working only with these early translations, many seekers of truth recognized in subsequent centuries that the Emerald Tablet contained a secret formula for transforming reality. Many alchemical drawings (such as the one to the left called the Azoth of the Philosophers), are really schematic diagrams of the steps and operations of this Emerald Formula. The alchemists used these diagrams like Eastern mandalas and meditated on them in their laboratories to achieve altered states of consciousness. (To see an explanation of Azoth of the Philosophers, click on the drawing.)

The uncredited source of many of the our mystical and religious traditions, the tablet also inspired over 3,500 years of alchemy, a period in which some of the most creative minds in the world delved into the intertwined mysteries of matter, energy, soul, and spirit. Most medieval alchemists had copies of the tablet hanging on their laboratory wall. It was the only guidance they needed in both their meditation and practical work; it served as their Rosetta Stone for deciphering the deliberately obscured terminology of their art.

As we enter the third millennium, the ancient formula is resurfacing in what people perceive as mystical or paranormal events. Such experiences are in fact simply the continuing expressions of the underlying alchemy of our lives. For many decades, knowledge of this hidden pattern has been discussed only among an elite group of esoteric scholars, but now, this amazing science of soul is available to everyone. For those with the courage to see beyond the illusions handed down to us by blind tradition, the Emerald Tablet's formula offers a way to reinstate our rightful relationship with the universe.


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The Emerald Tablet of Hermes


History of the Tablet
History of the Tablet (largely summarised from Needham 1980, & Holmyard 1957)

The Tablet probably first appeared in the West in editions of the psuedo-Aristotlean Secretum Secretorum which was actually a translation of the Kitab Sirr al-Asar, a book of advice to kings which was translated into latin by Johannes Hispalensis c. 1140 and by Philip of Tripoli c.1243. Other translations of the Tablet may have been made during the same period by Plato of Tivoli and Hugh of Santalla, perhaps from different sources.
The date of the Kitab Sirr al-Asar is uncertain, though c.800 has been suggested and it is not clear when the tablet became part of this work.
Holmyard was the first to find another early arabic version (Ruska found a 12th centruy recension claiming to have been dictated by Sergius of Nablus) in the Kitab Ustuqus al-Uss al-Thani (Second Book of the Elements of Foundation) attributed to Jabir. Shortly after Ruska found another version appended to the Kitab Sirr al-Khaliqa wa San`at al-Tabi`a (Book of the Secret of Creation and the Art of Nature), which is also known as the Kitab Balaniyus al-Hakim fi'l-`Ilal (book of Balinas the wise on the Causes). It has been proposed that this book was written may have been written as early as 650, and was definitely finished by the Caliphate of al-Ma'mun (813-33).
Scholars have seen similarities between this book and the Syriac Book of Treasures written by Job of Odessa (9th century) and more interestingly the Greek writings of the bishop Nemesius of Emesa in Syria from the mid fourth century. However though this suggests a possible Syriac source, non of these writings contain the tablet.
Balinas is usually identified with Apollonius of Tyna, but there is little evidence to connect him with the Kitab Balabiyus, and even if there was,the story implies that Balinas found the tablet rather than wrote it, and the recent discoveries of the dead sea scrolls and the nag hamamdi texts suggest that hiding texts in caves is not impossible, even if we did not have the pyramids before us.
Ruska has suggested an origin further east, and Needham has proposed an origin in China.
Holmyard, Davis and Anon all consider that this Tablet may be one of the earliest of all alchemical works we have that survives.
It should be remarked that apparantly the Greeks and Egyptians used the termtranslated as `emerald' for emeralds, green granites, "and perhaps green jasper". In medieval times the emerald table of the Gothic kings of Spain, and the Sacro catino- a dish said to have belonged to the Queen of Sheba, to have been used at the last supper, and to be made of emerald, were made of green glass [Steele and Singer: 488].


Translations

From Jabir ibn Hayyan.


0) Balinas mentions the engraving on the table in the hand of Hermes, which says:
1) Truth! Certainty! That in which there is no doubt!
2) That which is above is from that which is below, and that which is below is from that which is above, working the miracles of one.
3) As all things were from one.
4) Its father is the Sun and its mother the Moon.
5) The Earth carried it in her belly, and the Wind nourished it in her belly,
7) as Earth which shall become Fire.
7a) Feed the Earth from that which is subtle, with the greatest power.
8) It ascends from the earth to the heaven and becomes ruler over that which is above and that which is below.
14) And I have already explained the meaning of the whole of this in two of these books of mine.
[Holmyard 1923: 562.]


Another Arabic Version (from the German of Ruska, translated by ‘Anonymous').


0) Here is that which the priest Sagijus of Nabulus has dictated concerning the entrance of Balinas into the hidden chamber... After my entrance into the chamber, where the talisman was set up, I came up to an old man sitting on a golden throne, who was holding an emerald table in one hand. And behold the following - in Syriac, the primordial language- was written thereon:
1) Here (is) a true explanation, concerning which there can be no doubt.
2) It attests: The above from the below, and the below from the above -the work of the miracle of the One.
3) And things have been from this primal substance through a single act. How wonderful is this work! It is the main (principle) of the world and is its maintainer.
4) Its father is the sun and its mother the moon; the
5) wind has borne it in its body, and the earth has nourished it.
6) the father of talismen and the protector of miracles
6a) whose powers are perfect, and whose lights are confirmed (?),
7) a fire that becomes earth.
7a) Separate the earth from the fire, so you will attain the subtle as more inherent than the gross, with care and sagacity.
8) It rises from earth to heaven, so as to draw the lights of the heights to itself, and descends to the earth; thus within it are the forces of the above and the below;
9) because the light of lights within it, thus does the darkness flee before it.
10) The force of forces, which overcomes every subtle thing and penetrates into everything gross.
11) The structure of the microcosm is in accordance with the structure of the macrocosm.
12) And accordingly proceed the knowledgeable.
13) And to this aspired Hermes, who was threefold graced with wisdom.
14) And this is his last book, which he concealed in the chamber.
[Anon 1985: 24-5]


Twelfth Century Latin


0) When I entered into the cave, I received the tablet zaradi, which was inscribed, from between the hands of Hermes, in which I discovered these words:
1) True, without falsehood, certain, most certain.
2) What is above is like what is below, and what is below is like that which is above. To make the miracle of the one thing.
3) And as all things were made from contemplation of one, so all things were born from one adaptation.
4) Its father is the Sun, its mother is the Moon.
5) The wind carried it in its womb, the earth breast fed it.
6) It is the father of all ‘works of wonder' (Telesmi) in the world.
6a) Its power is complete (integra).
7) If cast to (turned towards- versa fuerit) earth,
7a) it will separate earth from fire, the subtile from the gross.
8) With great capacity it ascends from earth to heaven. Again it descends to earth, and takes back the power of the above and the below.
9) Thus you will receive the glory of the distinctiveness of the world. All obscurity will flee from you.
10) This is the whole most strong strength of all strength, for it overcomes all subtle things, and penetrates all solid things.
11a) Thus was the world created.
12) From this comes marvelous adaptions of which this is the proceedure.
13) Therefore I am called Hermes, because I have three parts of the wisdom of the whole world.
14) And complete is what I had to say about the work of the Sun, from the book of Galieni Alfachimi.
[From Latin in Steele and Singer 1928: 492.]
 
 


Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:58:12 pm
Translation from Aurelium Occultae Philosophorum..Georgio Beato


1) This is true and remote from all cover of falsehood
2) Whatever is below is similar to that which is above. Through this the marvels of the work of one thing are procured and perfected.
3) Also, as all things are made from one, by the condsideration of one, so all things were made from this one, by conjunction.
4) The father of it is the sun, the mother the moon.
5) The wind bore it in the womb. Its nurse is the earth, the mother of all perfection.
6a)Its power is perfected.
7) If it is turned into earth,
7a) separate the earth from the fire, the subtle and thin from the crude and course, prudently, with modesty and wisdom.
8) This ascends from the earth into the sky and again descends from the sky to the earth, and receives the power and efficacy of things above and of things below.
9) By this means you will acquire the glory of the whole world, and so you will drive away all shadows and blindness.
10) For this by its fortitude snatches the palm from all other fortitude and power. For it is able to penetrate and subdue everything subtle and everything crude and hard.
11a) By this means the world was founded
12) and hence the marvelous cojunctions of it and admirable effects, since this is the way by which these marvels may be brought about.
13) And because of this they have called me Hermes Tristmegistus since I have the three parts of the wisdom and Philsosphy of the whole universe.
14) My speech is finished which i have spoken concerning the solar work
[Davis 1926: 874.]


Translation of Issac Newton c. 1680.


1) Tis true without lying, certain & most true.
2) That wch is below is like that wch is above & that wch is above is like yt wch is below to do ye miracles of one only thing.
3) And as all things have been & arose from one by ye mediation of one: so all things have their birth from this one thing by adaptation.
4) The Sun is its father, the moon its mother,
5) the wind hath carried it in its belly, the earth its nourse.
6) The father of all perfection in ye whole world is here.
7) Its force or power is entire if it be converted into earth.
7a) Seperate thou ye earth from ye fire, ye subtile from the gross sweetly wth great indoustry.
8) It ascends from ye earth to ye heaven & again it desends to ye earth and receives ye force of things superior & inferior.
9) By this means you shall have ye glory of ye whole world & thereby all obscurity shall fly from you.
10) Its force is above all force. ffor it vanquishes every subtile thing & penetrates every solid thing.
11a) So was ye world created.
12) From this are & do come admirable adaptaions whereof ye means (Or process) is here in this.
13) Hence I am called Hermes Trismegist, having the three parts of ye philosophy of ye whole world.
14) That wch I have said of ye operation of ye Sun is accomplished & ended.
[Dobbs 1988: 183-4.]


Translation from Kriegsmann (?) alledgedly from the Phoenician


1) I speak truly, not falsely, certainly and most truly
2) These things below with those above and those with these join forces again so that they produce a single thing the most wonderful of all.
3)And as the whole universe was brought forth from one by the word of one GOD, so also all things are regenerated perpetually from this one according to the disposition of Nature.
4) It has the Sun for father and the Moon for mother:
5) it is carried by the air as if in a womb, it is nursed by the earth.
6) It is the cause, this, of all perfection of all things throughout the universe.
6a) This will attain the highest perfection of powers
7) if it shall be reduced into earth
7a) Distribute here the earth and there the fire, thin out the density of this the suavest (suavissima) thing of all.
8)Ascend with the greatest sagacity of genius from the earth into the sky, and thence descend again to the earth, and recognise that the forces of things above and of things below are one,
9) so as to posses the glory of the whole world- and beyond this man of abject fate may have nothing further.
10)This thing itself presently comes forth stronger by reasons of this fortitude: it subdues all bodies surely, whether tenuous or solid, by penetrating them.
11a) And so everything whatsoever that the world contains was created.
12) Hence admirable works are accomplished which are instituted (carried out- instituuntur) according to the same mode.
13) To me therefor the name of Hermes Trismegistus has been awarded because I am discovered as the Teacher of the three parts of the wisdom of the world.
14) These then are the considerations which I have concluded ought to be written down concerning the readiest operations of the Chymic art.
[Davis 1926: 875 slightly modified.]


From Sigismund Bacstrom (allegedly translated from Chaldean).


0) The Secret Works of CHIRAM ONE in essence, but three in aspect.
1) It is true, no lie, certain and to be depended upon,
2) the superior agrees with the inferior, and the inferior agrees with the superior, to effect that one truly wonderful work.
3) As all things owe their existence to the will of the only one, so all things owe their origin to the one only thing, the most hidden by the arrangement of the only God.
4) The father of that one only thing is the sun its mother is the moon,
5) the wind carries it in its belly; but its nourse is a spirituous earth.
6) That one only thing is the father of all things in the Universe.
6a) Its power is perfect,
7) after it has been united with a spirituous earth.
7a) Separate that spirituous earth from the dense or crude by means of a gentle heat, with much attention.
8) In great measure it ascends from the earth up to heaven, and descends again, newborn, on the earth, and the superior and the inferior are increased in power.
9) By this wilt thou partake of the honours of the whole world. And Darkness will fly from thee.
10) This is the strength of all powers. With this thou wilt be able to overcome all things and transmute all what is fine and what is coarse.
11a) In this manner the world was created;
12) the arrangements to follow this road are hidden.
13) For this reason I am called Chiram Telat Mechasot, one in essence, but three in aspect. In this trinity is hidden the wisdom of the whole world.
14) It is ended now, what I have said concerning the effects of the sun. Finish of the Tabula Smaragdina.
[See Hall 1977: CLVIII,]


Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:58:56 pm
From Madame Blavatsky


2) What is below is like that which is above, and what is above is similar to that which is below to accomplish the wonders of the one thing.
3) As all things were produced by the mediation of one being, so all things were produced from this one by adaption.
4) Its father is the sun, its mother the moon.
6a) It is the cause of all perfection throughout the whole earth.
7) Its power is perfect if it is changed into earth.
7a) Separate the earth from the fire, the subtile from the gross, acting prudently and with judgement.
8 ) Ascend with the greatest sagacity from earth to heaven, and unite together the power of things inferior and superior;
9) thus you will possess the light of the whole world, and all obscurity will fly away from you.
10) This thing has more fortitude than fortitude itself, because it will overcome every subtile thing and penetrate every solid thing.
11a) By it the world was formed.
[Blavatsky 1972: 507.]


From Fulcanelli (translated from the French by Sieveking)


1) This is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth:-
2) As below, so above; and as above so below. With this knowledge alone you may work miracles.
3) And since all things exist in and eminate from the ONE Who is the ultimate Cause, so all things are born after their kind from this ONE.
4) The Sun is the father, the Moon the mother;
5) the wind carried it in his belly. Earth is its nurse and its guardian.
6) It is the Father of all things,
6a) the eternal Will is contained in it.
7) Here, on earth, its strength, its power remain one and undivded.
7a) Earth must be separated from fire, the subtle from the dense, gently with unremitting care.
8) It arises from the earth and descends from heaven; it gathers to itself the strength of things above and things below.
9) By means of this one thing all the glory of the world shall be yours and all obscurity flee from you.
10) It is power, strong with the strength of all power, for it will penetrate all mysteries and dispel all ignorance.
11a) By it the world was created.
12) From it are born manifold wonders, the means to achieving which are here given
13) It is for this reason that I am called Hermes Trismegistus; for I possess the three essentials of the philosophy of the universe.
14) This is is the sum total of the work of the Sun.
[Sadoul 1972: 25-6.]


From Fulcanelli, new translation


1) It is true without untruth, certain and most true:
2) that which is below is like that which is on high, and that which is on high is like that which is below; by these things are made the miracles of one thing.
3) And as all things are, and come from One, by the mediation of One, So all things are born from this unique thing by adaption.
4) The Sun is the father and the Moon the mother.
5) The wind carries it in its stomach. The earth is its nourisher and its receptacle.
6 The Father of all the Theleme of the universal world is here.
6a) Its force, or power, remains entire,
7) if it is converted into earth.
7a) You separate the earth from the fire, the subtle from the gross, gently with great industry.
8) It climbs from the earth and descends from the sky, and receives the force of things superior and things inferior.
9) You will have by this way, the glory of the world and all obscurity will flee from you.
10) It is the power strong with all power, for it will defeat every subtle thing and penetrate every solid thing
11a) In this way the world was created.
12) From it are born wonderful adaptations, of which the way here is given.
13) That is why I have been called Hermes Tristmegistus, having the three parts of the universal philosophy.
14) This, that I have called the solar Work, is complete.
[translated from Fulcanelli 1964: 312.]


From Idres Shah


1) The truth, certainty, truest, without untruth.
2 )What is above is like what is below. What is below is like what is above. The miracle of unity is to be attained.
3) Everything is formed from the contemplation of unity, and all things come about from unity, by means of adaptation.
4) Its parents are the Sun and Moon.
5) It was borne by the wind and nurtured by the Earth.
6) Every wonder is from it
6a) and its power is complete.
7) Throw it upon earth,
7a) and earth will separate from fire. The impalbable separated from the palpable.
8) Through wisdom it rises slowly from the world to heaven. Then it descends to the world combining the power of the upper and the lower.
9 )Thus you will have the illumination of all the world, and darkness will disappear.
10) This is the power of all strength- it overcomes that which is delicate and penetrates through solids.
11a) This was the means of the creation of the world.
12) And in the future wonderful developements will be made, and this is the way.
13) I am Hermes the Threefold Sage, so named because I hold the three elements of all wisdom.
14) And thus ends the revelation of the work of the Sun.
(Shah 1964: 198).


Hypothetical Chinese Original


1) True, true, with no room for doubt, certain, worthy of all trust.
2) See, the highest comes from the lowest, and the lowest from the highest; indeed a marvelous work of the tao.
3) See how all things originated from It by a single process.
4) The father of it (the elixir) is the sun (Yang), its mother the moon (Yin).
5) The wind bore it in its belly, and the earth nourished it.
6 )This is the father of wondrous works (changes and transformations), the guardian of mysteries,
6a) perfect in its powers, the animator of lights.
7) This fire will be poured upon the earth...
7a) So separate the earth from the fire, the subtle from the gross, acting prudently and with art.
8) It ascends from the earth to the heavens (and orders the lights above), then descends again to the earth; and in it is the power of the highest and the lowest.
9) Thus when you have the light of lights darkness will flee away from you.
10) With this power of powers (the elixir) you shall be able to get the mastery of every subtle thing, and be able to penetrate everything that is gross.
11a) In this way was the great world itself formed.
12) Hence thus and thus marvellous operations will be acheived.
[Slightly altered from Needham 1980: 371.]


TEXTUAL REMARKS

On #3 Some Latin texts have meditatione (contemplation), others mediatione (mediation). Some texts have adaptatione (by adaptation), some have adoptionis (by adoption).

On #6 ‘Telesmi' is a greek word, some texts have ‘thelesmi'.

On #6, 7 In some texts ‘Its Power is Complete' is a separate line. In the generally accepted reading, this runs into #7 producing ‘Its Power is complete if versa fuerit to earth'. Where possible this has been indicated by diving these lines in 6, 6a, 7, & 7a

On #7, 8 In some texts the ‘Wisdom, capacity' (magno ingenio) is read as referring to #7, and hence the operation of Separation is to be carried out ‘carefully', in other readings the ‘wisdom' is held to refer to #8 and the product of the Separation which thus ascends with ‘wisdom'.

Needham quotes Ruska to the effect that sections 3, 12 and 14 are probably late additions (op. cit)


COMMENTARIES

On #1
Hortulanus: "... the most true Sun is procreated by art. And he says most true in the superlative degree because the Sun generated by this art exceeds all natural Sun in all of its properties, medicinal and otherwise" (Davis modified by `Linden')

On #2
Albertus Magnus: Hermes says "the powers of all things below originate in the stars and constellations of the heavens: and that all these powers are poured down into all things below by the circle called Alaur, which is, they said, the first circle of the constellations". This descent is "noble when the materials receiving these powers are more like things above in their brightness and transparency; ignoble when the materials are confused and foul, so that the heavenly power is, as it were oppressed. Therefore they say that this is the reason why precious stones more than anything else have wonderful powers" (60 -61). While the "seven kinds of metals have their forms from the seven planets of the lower spheres" (168).

Hortulanus: "the stone is divided into two principle parts by the magistry, into a superior part which ascends above and into an inferior part which remains below fixed and clear. And these two parts moreover are concordant in their virtue since the inferior part is earth which is called nurse and ferment, and the superior part is the spirit which quickens the whole stone and raises it up. Wherfore separation made, and conjunction celebrated, many miracles are effected."

Burckhardt: "This refers to the reciprocal dependence of the active and the passive... essential form cannot be manifested without passive materia.. the efficacy of the spiritual power depends on the preparedness of the human ‘container' and vice versa.... ‘Above' and ‘below' are thus related to this one thing and complement one another in its regard".

Schumaker: "There are corresponding planes in various levels of creation, hence it is safe to draw analogies between macrocosm and microcosm, the mineral kingdom and the human, animal and vegetable kingdoms etc".

Needham: "the whole affirmation looks remarkably like the doctrine that extreme of Yang generates Yin, and vice versa".

On #3
Hortulanus: "our stone, which was created by God, was born and came forth from a confused mass, containing in itself all the elements- and hence our stone was born by this single miracle".

Trithemius: "Is it not true that all things flow from one thing, from the goodness of the One, and that whatever is joined to Unity cannot be diverse, but rather fructifies by means of the simplicity and adaptability of the One" "What is born from Unity? Is it not the ternary? Take note: Unity is unmixed, the binary is compounded, and the ternary is reduced to the simplicity of Unity. I, Trithemius, am not of three minds, but persist in a single integrated mind taking pleasure in the ternary, which gives birth to a marvelous offspring" (Bran)

Burckhardt: "the undivided, invisible Light of the unconditioned One is refracted into multiplicity by the prism of the Spirit". As the Spirit contemplates the Unity without full comprehension "it manifests the ‘many-sided' All, just as a lens transmits the light it receives as a bundle of rays".

Schumaker: As God is one, all created objects come from one thing, an undifferentiated primal matter.

On #4
Hortulanus: " As one animal naturally generates more animals similar to itself, so the Sun artificially generates Sun by the power of multiplication of...the stone.... in this artificial generation it is necessary that the Sun have a suitable receptacle, consonant with itself, for its sperm and its tincture, and this is the Luna of the philosophers"

Redgrove: Sun and Moon "probably stand for Spirit and Matter respectively, not gold and silver".

Burckhardt: Sun "is the spirit (nous), while the moon is the soul (psyche)".

Schumaker: "If the moon is associated with water, as because of its ‘moisture' [as] was usual, and the sun with fire, the prima materia is understood to have been generated by fire, born of water, brought down from the sky by wind, and nourished by earth".

On #5
Albertus Magnus: by this Hermes "means the levigatio [making light weight] of the material, raising it to the properties of Air. And why he says the wind carries the material [of the stone] in its belly is that, when the material is placed in an alembic- which is a vessel made like those in which rosewater is prepared- then by evapouration it is rendered subtle and is raised towards the properties of Air... And there distills and issues from the mouth of the alembic a watery or oily liquor with all the powers of the elements" (17). In metals the moisture is not separated from the dryness, but is dissolved in it; and being so dissolved, it moves about there as if it had been swallowed by the Earth and were moving about in its bowels. And on this account Hermes said ‘The mother of metal is Earth that carries it in her belly'".

Hortulanus: "It is plain that wind is air, and air is life, and life is spirit... And thus it is necessary that the wind should bear the whole stone.... [However] our stone without the ferment of the earth will never come to the effect, which ferment is called food"

Trithemius: "the wind carries its seed in her belly".

Maier: By "the wind carried him in its belly" Hermes means " ‘He, whose father is the Sun, and whose mother is the Moon, will be carried before he is born, by wind and vapour, just as a flying bird is carried by air'. From the vapours of winds, which are nothing else but wind in motion, water proceeds, when condensed, and from that water, mixed with earth, all minerals and metals arise". The substance carried by the wind is "in chemical respect.. the sulphur, which is carried in mercury". Lull says "‘The stone is the fire, carried in the belly of the air'. In physical respect it is the unborn child that will soon be born". To be clearer, "‘All mercury is composed of vapours, that is to say of water, which the earth raises along with it into the thin air, and of earth, which the air compels to return into watery earth or earthy water" As the elements contained within are each reduced to a watery condition, they either follow the volatile elements upward as in common mercury, or they stay below with the solid elements as in philosophical Mercury "and in the solid metals". So "Mercury is the wind which receives the sulphur... as the unripe fruit from the mothers womb, or from the ashes of the burnt mother's body and takes it to a place where it may ripen". Ripley says "our child shall be born in the air, that is the belly of the wind" [de Jong 1969: 55- 7.]

Maier (2nd Comment) on "The earth is its nurse": Food changes into the substance of the eater and is then assimilated. "This harmony dominates the whole of nature, for the like enjoys the like". The same happens in the Work and Nature "just as is the growth of the child in the mother's womb. So also a father, a mother and a nurse have been attributed to the philosophical child... it comes into being from the twofold seed and then grows as an embryo does". As a woman must moderate her diet to avoid miscarriage, "in the same way one must set about philosophical work with moderation". The Seeds also have to be united. "Philosophers say that the one comes from the East and the other from the West and become one; what does this mean but combining in a retort, a moderate temperature and nourishment?". "One may wonder why the earth is referred to as the nurse of the philosophic child, since barreness and dryness are the main properties of the element earth". The answer is that not the element, but the whole Earth is meant. "It is the nurse of Heaven not because it resolves, washes and moistens the foetus, but because it coagulates, fastens and colours the latter and changes it into sap and blood... The Earth contains a wonderful juice which changes the nature of the one who feeds on it, as Romulus is believed to have been changed by the wolf's milk into a bellicose individual" [de Jong 1969: 63 -5.]

Burckhardt: "The wind which carries the spiritual germ in its body, is the vital breath". Vital breath is the substance of the realm between heaven and earth, it "is also Quicksilver which contains the germ of gold in a liquid state". The earth is "the body, as an inward reality".

On #6
Burckhardt: the word talisman is derived from Telesma. Talismans work by corresponding to their prototype, and by making a "‘condensation', on the subtle plane, of a spiritual state. This explains the similarity between the talisman, as the bearer of an invisible influence, and the alchemical elixir, as the ‘ferment' of metallic transformation".

On #7
Hortulanus: The stone is perfect and complete if it is turned into earth "that is if the soul of the stone itself.... is turned into earth, namely of the stone and is fixed so that the whole substance of the stone becomes one with its nurse, namely the earth, and the whole stone is converted to ferment"

Trithemius: it is the seed from #5 that must be cast upon the earth.

Bacstrom: "Process- First Distillation".

Burckhardt: "when the Spirit is ‘embodied', the volatile becomes fixed".

Schumaker: if the prime matter is to be used it must be fixed into a substance "capable of being handled".

On #7a
Hortulanus: "You will separate, that is, you will dissolve, because solution is separation of parts.."

Burkhardt: The separation "means the ‘extraction' of the soul from the body".

Schumaker "Since the volatile principle is fire -or sometimes, air- stability is produced by its removal. Or, alternatively but less probably, the earth is impurity (‘the gross') and a purified fire (‘the subtle') is
what is wanted.

On #8
Albertus Magnus: In intending to teach the operations of alchemy Hermes says the stone "‘ascends to heaven' when by roasting and calcination it takes on the properties of Fire; for alchemists mean by calcinatio the reduction of material to to powder by burning and roasting. And the material ‘again descends from heaven to earth' when it takes on the properties of Earth by inhumatio, for inhumation revives and nourishes what was previously killed by calcination".

Hortulanus: "And now he deals with multiplication [of the stone]." "Although our stone is divided in the first operation into four parts... there are really two principle parts". The ascending, non fixed, and the earth or ferment. "It is necessary to have a large quantity of this non fixed part and to give it to the stone which has been made thoroughly clean from dirt.... until the entire stone is borne above by the virtue of the spirit"
"Afterwards it is necessary to incerate the same stone,..with the oil that was extracted in the first operation, which oil is called the water of the stone" Roast or boil by sublimation until the "entire stone descends... and remains fixed and fluent". "That which is coporeal is made spiritual by sublimation, and that which is spiritual is made corporeal by descension".

Trithemius: "When the ternary has at last returned to itself it may, by an inner disposition and great delight, ascend from the earth to heaven, thereby receiving both superior and inferior power; thus will it be made powerful and glorious in the clarity of Unity, demonstrate its ability to bring forth every number, and put to flight all obscurity".

Bacstrom: "Last Digestion". "The Azoth ascends from the Earth, from the bottom of the Glass, and redescends in Veins and drops into the Earth and by this continual circulation the Azoth is more and more subtilised, Volatilizes Sol and carries the volatilized Solar atoms along with it and thereby becomes a Solar Azoth, i.e. our third and genuine Sophic Mercury". The circulation must continue until "it ceases of itself, and the Earth has sucked it all in, when it becomes the black pitchy matter, the Toad [the substances in the alchemical retort and also the lower elements in the body of man -Hall], which denotes complete putrifaction or Death of the compound".

Read, suggests this section describes the use of a kerotakis, in which metals are suspended and subject to the action of gasses released from substances heated in the base, and from their condensation and circulation.

Burckhardt: "dissolution of consciousness from all formal ‘coagulations' is
followed by the ‘crystalisation' of the Spirit, so that active and passive are perfectly united."

Schumaker: "Separate the volatile part of the substance by vaporization but continue heating until the vapour reunites with the parent body, whereupon you will have obtained the Stone".

On #9
Trithemius: When the ternary has returned to Unity cleansed of all impurities "the mind understands without contradiction all the mysteries of the excellently arranged arcanum".

Bacstrom: the black matter becomes White and Red. The Red "having been carried to perfection, medicinaly and for Metals" is capable of supporting complete mental and physical health, and provides "ample means, in finitum multiplicable to be benevolent and charitable, without any dimunation of our inexhaustable resources, therefore well may it be called the Glory of the whole World". Contemplation and study of the Philosopher's Stone ("L. P.") elevates the mind to God. "The Philosophers say with great Truth, that the L.P. either finds a good man or makes one". "By invigorating the Organs the Soul makes use of for communicating with exterior objects, the Soul must aquire greater powers, not only for conception but also for retention". If we pray and have faith "all Obscurity must vanish of course".

Burckhardt: "Thus the light of the Spirit becomes constant..[and] ignorance, deception, uncertainty, doubt and foolishness will be removed from consciousness".

On #10
Trithemius: The Philosopher's Stone is another name for the ‘one thing', and is able to "conquer every subtile thing and to penetrate every solid". "This very noble virtue... consists of maximal fortitude, touching everything with its desirable excellence".

Bacstrom: "The L.P. does possess all the Powers concealed in Nature, not for destruction but for exhaltation and regeneration of matter, in the three Departments of Nature". "It refixes the most subtil Oxygen into its own firey Nature". The power increases "in a tenfold ratio, at every multiplication". So it can penetrate Gold and Silver, and fix mercury, Crystals and Glass Fluxes.

Burckhardt: "Alchemical fixation is nevertheless more inward... Through its union with the spirit bodily consciousness itself becomes a fine and penetrating power". He quotes Jabir "The body becomes a spirit, and takes on... fineness, lightness, extensibility, coloration... The spirit... becomes a body and aquires the latter's resistance to fire, immobility and duration. From both bodies a light substance is born , which.. precisely takes up a middle position between the two extremes".

Schumaker: The product of the distillation and reunion will "dominate less solid substances, but because of its own subtlety it will ‘penetrate' and hence dominate, other solid things less pure and quasi-spiritual than itself".

On #11
Burckhardt: "the little world is created according to the prototype of the great world", when the human realises their original nature is the image of God.

Schumaker: "The alchemical operation is a paradigm of the creative process. We may note the sexual overtones of what has preceeded"

On #12
Burckhardt: "In the Arabic text this is: “This way is traversed by the sages".

On #13
Hortulanus: "He here teaches in an occult manner the things from which the stone is made." "the stone is called perfect because it has in itself the nature of minerals, ofvegetables and of animals. For the stone is three and one, tripple and single, having four natures.... and three colours, namely black, white and red. It is also called the grain of corn because unless it shall have died, it remains itself alone. And if it shall have died... it bears much fruit when it is in conjunction..."

Newton: "on account of this art Mercurius is called thrice greatest, having three parts of the philosophy of the whole world, since he signifies the Mercury of the philosophers.... and has dominion in the mineral kingdom, the vegetable kingdom, and the animal kingdom".

Bacstrom: the wisdom of the world (?) is hidden in "Chiram and its Use". Hermes "signifies a Serpent, and the Serpent used to be an Emblem of Knowledge or Wisdom."

Burckhardt: "The three parts of wisdom correspond to the three great divisions of the universe, namely, the spiritual, psychic and corporeal realms, whose symbols are heaven, air and earth".

Schumaker: "The usual explanation of Tristmegistus.. is that Hermes was the greatest philosopher, the greatest priest, and the greatest king".


General


Trithemius: "our philosophy is celestial, not worldly, in order that we may faithfuly behold, by means of a direct intuition of the mind through faith and knowledge, that principle which we call God...."

Trithemius: "Study generates knowledge; knowledge prepares love; love, similarity; similarity, communion; communion, virtue; virtue, dignity; dignity, power; and power performs the miracle".

Newton "Inferior and superior, fixed and volatile, sulphur and quicksilver have a similar nature and are one thing, like man and wife. For they differ from one another only by degree of digestion and maturity. Sulphur is mature quicksilver, and quicksilver is immature sulphur: and on account of this affinity they unite like male and female, and they act on each other, and through that action they are mutually transmuted into each other and procreate a more noble offspring to accomplish the miracles of this one thing". "And just as all things were created from one Chaos by the design of one God, so in our art all things... are born from this one thing which is our Chaos, by the design of the Artificer and the skilful adaptation of things. And the generation of this is similar to the human, truly from a father and mother".

Blavatsky: the mysterious thing "is the universal, magical agent, the astral light, which in the correlations of its forces furnishes the alkahest, the philosopher's stone, and the elixir of life. Hermetic philosophy names it Azoth, the soul of the world, the celestial virgin, the great Magnes, etc" It appears to be that which gives organisation ("the maze of force-correlations"), and form i.e. the perfect geometry of snowflakes.

Sherwood Taylor: "the operation of the Sun.. was carried out by a ‘spirit', universal, the source of all things, having the power of perfecting them. Its virtue is integral [# 6a] (ie having the power to convert the diverse into a single substance), if it be turned into earth (ie. solidified). This conveyed that the Stone was to be a solidified pneuma. Pneuma was the link between earth and heaven, having the virtue of the celestial and subterranean regions- the power of the whole cosmos from the fixed stars to the centre of the earth. It overcomes every nature and penetrates every solid. It is the source of the whole world and so it can be the means of changing things in a wonderful way. The three parts of the philosophy of the whole world are presumably of the celestial, terrestrial, and subterranean regions".

Shah: The table is "the same as the Sufi dictum... ‘Man is the microcosm, creation the macrocosm - the unity. All comes from One. By the joining of the power of contemplation all can be attained. This essence must be separated from the body first, then combined with the body. This is the Work. Start with yourself, end with all. Before man, beyond man, transformation'".



Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 29, 2008, 11:59:44 pm
A COMMENTARY OF IBN UMAIL

HERMUS said the secret of everything and the life of everything is Water.... This water becomes in wheat, ferment; in the vine, wine; in the olive, olive oil.... The begining of the child is from water.... Regarding this spiritual water and the sanctified and thirsty earth, HERMUS the great, crowned with the glorious wisdom and the sublime sciences, said [#1] Truth it is, indubtible, certain and correct, [#2] that the High is from the Low and the Low is from the High. They bring about wonders through the one, just as things are produced from that one essence by a single preparation. Later by his statement [#4] Its father is the Sun and its mother the Moon he meant their male and their female. They are the two birds which are linked together in the pictures given regarding the beginning of the operation, and from them the spiritual tinctures are produced. And similarly they are at the end of the operation. Later in his statement [#7 ?] the subtle is more honourable than the gross, he means by the subtle the divine spiritual water; and by the gross the earthly body. As for his later statement [#8] with gentleness and wisdom it will ascend from the earth to the sky, and will take fire from the higher lights, he means by this the distillation and the raising of the water into the air. As for his later statement [#8a] It will descend to the earth, containing the strength of the high and the low, he means by this the breathing in (istinshaq) of the air, and the taking of the spirit from it, and its subsequent elevation to the highest degree of heat, and it is the Fire, and the low is the body, and its content of the controlling earthly power which imparts the colours. For there lie in it those higher powers, as well as the earthly powers which were submerged in it.

The natural operation and decay causes it to be manifest, and hence the strength of the earth, and of the air, and of the higher fire passed in to it. Later he said [#9] it will overcome the high and the low because it in it is found the light of lights: and consequently the darkness will flee
from it. [See Stapleton et al. p 74, 81.]


APPENDIX

Translation from Roger Bacon's edition of Secretum Secretorum made c 1445

1)Trouth hath hym so, and it is no doubt,
2) that the lover is to the heigher, and the heigher to the lower aunsweren.
The worcher forsoth of all myracles is the one and sool God, of and fro Whom Cometh all meruelous operacions.
3) So all thynges were created of o soole substance, and of o soole disposicion,
4 ) the fader wherof is the sone, and the moone moder,
5) that brought hym forth by blast or aier in the wombe, the erthe taken fro it,
6) to whom is seid the increat fader, tresour of myracles, and yever of vertues.
7) Of fire is made erthe.
7a) Depart the erthe fro the fire, for the sotiller is worthier than the more grosse, and the thynne thynge than the thik. This most be do wisely and discretly.
8) It ascendith fro the erth into the heven, and falleth fro heven to the erthe, and therof sleith the higher and the lower vertue.
9)And yf it lordship in the lower and in the heigher, and thow shalt lordship aboue and beneth, which forsoth is the light of lightes, and therfor fro the wolle fle all derknesse.
10) The higher vertue ouer-cometh all, for sothe all thynne thyng doth in dense thynges.
11a) After the disposicion of the more world rynneth this worchyng.
13) And for this prophetisyng of the trynyte of God Hermogenes it called Triplex, trebil in philosophie, as Aristotle seith.

[See Manzalaoui 1977: 65 -6.]


Translation of same source, made c. 1485.


1) The trwthe is so, and that it is no dowght,
2) that lower thyngis to hyer thyng, and hyer to lower be correspondent. But the Werker of myraclis is on Godde alone, fro Home descendyth euiry meruulus werk.
3)And so alle thyngis be creat of one only substauns, be an only dysposicion,
4) of home the fadyr is the sonne, and the mone the modyr,
5 ) qwyche bar her be the wedyr in the wombe. The erthe is priuyd fro her-to.
6 )This is clepyd or seyd the fadyr of enchauntmentis, tresur of myracclys, the
yessuer of vertuys.
7) Be a lytil it is made erthe.
7a) Depart that qwyche is erthly fro that qwyche is fi Fry, for that qwyche is sotel is mor wurthy han that qwyche is grose, and that rar, porous, or lyght, is mor bettyr than qwiche is thyk of substauns. This is done wyseli or dyscretly.
8) It ascendyth fro the erth in-to heuyn and fallyth fro heuyn in-to erth, and ther-of it sleth the ouyr vertu and the nedyr vertu, so it hath lorchyp in the lowe thyngis and hye thingis,
9) and thu lordschyppist vppeward and downward, and with the is the lyght of lyghtys. And for that alle derkness schal fle fro the.
10) The ovyr vetu ouircomyth alle, for euiry rar rhyng werkyth in to euiry thyk thyng.
11a) And aftyr the dysposicion of the mor world rennyth thys werking.
13) And for that Hermogines is clepyd threfold in filosophye, and of the meruellys of he world.
[See Manzalaoui 1977: 174-5]


BIBLIOGRAPHY

Albertus Magnus, Book of Minerals, trans D. Wyckoff, OUP, 1967.
Anon Meditations on the Tarot. Amity House, 1985 pp21-6
Brann, N.L. "George Ripley and the Abbot Trithemius", Ambix, vol 26, no 3, pp 212- 220, 1979.
Blavatsky, H.P. Isis Unveiled. Theosophical University Press, 1972. pp 507-14.
Burckhardt, T. Alchemy. Stuart and Watkins, London 1967 pp 196 -201.
Davis, Tenny L. "The Emerald Tablet of Hermes Tristmegistus: Three Latin versions which were current among later Alchemists", Journal of Chemical Education, Vol.3, no.8, pp 863-75, 1926.
de Jong, H.M.E. Michael Maiers's Atlanta Fugiens: Sources of an alchemical Book of Emblems. E.J. Brill, Leiden, 1969.
Dobbs, B.J. "Newton's Commentary on the Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus" in Merkel, I and Debus A.G. Hermeticism and the Renaissance. Folger, Washington 1988.
Fulcanelli. Les Demeures Philosophales. Jean Jacques Pavert, Paris, 1964.
Hall, M.P. The Secret Teachings of all Ages. Philosophical Research, L.A. 1977 pp CLVII -CLVIII.
Holmyard, E.J. "The Emerald Table" Nature, Oct 6th pp 525-6, 1929.
Holmyard, E.J. Alchemy, Pelican, Harmondsworth 1957. pp95-8.
Linden, Stanton J. ed. "The Mirror of Alchimy Composed by the Thrice-Famous and Learned Fryer Roger Bacon (1597), Garland, NY. 1992.
Manzalaoui, M.A. Secretum Secretorum: Nine English Versions, Early English Text Society. OUP, 1977.
Needham, J.Science and Civilisation in China vol 5, part 4: Spagyrical discovery and invention: Apparatus, Theories and gifts. CUP, 1980
Read, John Prelude to Chemistry, G Bell, London, 1939 pp15, 51-5
Redgrove, S. Alchemy: Ancient and Modern. William Rider, London, 1922. pp40-42.
Sadoul, J. Alchemists and Gold. G.P. Putnams, N.Y. 1972 pp 25-6.
Schumaker, Wayne. The Occult Sciences in the Renaissance. University of California, Berkely 1972, pp 179-80
Shah, Idres. The Sufis. Octagon, London 1977, p 198
Sherwood Taylor, F. The Alchemists. Paladin, London, 1976, pp77- 8.
Stapleton, H.E., Lewis, G.L, Sherwood Taylor, F. "The sayings of Hermes quoted in the Ma Al-Waraqi of Ibn Umail. " Ambix, vol 3, pp 69-90, 1949.
Steele, R. and Singer, D.W. "The Emerald Table". Proceedings of the Royal Society of Medicine vol 21, 1928.


See also:

McLean, A & Tahil, P. Ampitheatre Engavings of Heinrich Kunrath. pp. 28, 73-6,
Anon, Secret Symbols of the Rosicrucians (i.e. Paul Allen A Christian Rosenkreutz Anthology, Steinerbooks, third edition pp228-30)
AMORC Supplementary Monograph: Hermetic Teachings RAD-13, Lecture Number 2, Inner hermetic teachings.

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Sorry, but that's a horrible link to the Emerald Tablets, try this one: http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald.html

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So Tristan, you wrote a lot; now tell me where these wonderful Emerald Tablets are located. Have they ever been seen by any knowledgeable person? To the best of my research they are only talked about and in no means distant past either. There is no verification of their actual existance.
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The emerald tablets are but one of the father of alchemy's createor(Thoth)there are 2 other great works by him.
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Thoth wrote 3,600 works. Some say he wrote 44,000.

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wow i have never heard of these tablets. Nice stuff. Wish they'd hurry up and open that chamber under the sphynx, if they havent already.

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Then Thoth musta been born with two books and a typewriter to start with; or else they must have been very short books. Actually books are a very recent invention. Where are all of these magnificent tomes. I'm sure many people would like to read them. Are they preflood or post flood? "Some say he wrote 44,000 books." Who the heck is "some"? Is that Harry Some the second hand book dealer down on second street? Can you show even one original writing by Thoth?
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Of course, the Emerald Tablets exised, Brig, the originals were lost, and yet copies of them have been found dating from the ninth century on, with copies existing in Latin and Arabic. One of the translations of those copies was performed by Sir Isaac Newton.

As for the actual existence of Thoth, it is immaterial whether we actually possess something written in his original hand or not. We don't have any originals of Plato, Aristotle or Socrates and yet are quite certain that he existed. Let us give Thoth, the Atlantean, God-King of Egypt, the same respect.
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I have to fall on the side of pessimistic here. I heard about this tablet not long ago, and searched and searched for a real picture and for some real history behind it. All I found was delusions and fraud tbh.

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The Devine Pymander was written by Thoth. Read Secret Teachings of All Ages and there my be found information it that source.
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The Divine pymanmder of Hermes Trismegistus
(pymander= poemandres)
by The Editors of the Shrine of Wisdom
1st printing 1923,2nd 1935,3rd 1948, 4th 1955


Chapter 1
This manual represents an endeavour to systematize and unfold something of the significance of the writtings attributed to Hermes Trismegistus.

The numerous profound truths which the Corpus Hermeticum contains are not easily recognizable from a general perusal of them in the form in which they are usually presented.

The extant Trismegistic literature consists of the Pymander collection of fourteen sermons;the definition of Asclepius,or the perfect sermon; the twenty-seven excerpts from John Stobaeus(including a sermon entitled "The virig of the world") and of many fragments and referances from the philosophers and the church fathers.

This is all that remains of what was evidently an extensive literature. No precise date can be assigned as to when it first saw light, but many of the early church Fathers accepted the Trismegistic writings as both ancient and authoritative,sometimes utilizing them to support Christian doctrines; while the philosophers,in whose work they appear,did not question their authenticity.

Some of those who quoted from them were: Iamblichus,Justin Martyr,Tertullian,st.Cyprian,Eusebius pamphilus, Clement of Alexandria,Lactantius, st. Augustine,st. Cyril od Alexandria,Suidas,and Julian the Emperor.and nearly all the spiritual Humanists of the middle ages ranked them,especially the Pymander,in the very first list of religious literature.
The extracts contained herein are not taken from any one paricular version,but are the results of a comparison of three Engish translations,namely, by JohnEverard,D.D., 1650; J.D. Chambers,1882; and G.R.S. Mead, 1906.

The references quoted herein are as used in the last version.But it must be admitted here that in the Trismegistic fragments there is much that requires considerable elucidation. This can be only very partially attempted in this manual,which has for it's objects the emphasis of the more primary and important fundamental truths contained in the Corpus Hermeticum rather than the full explanation of secondary points and the reconciliation of all the real or apparent inconsistencies.


was he one, or many,merging
Name and fame in one,
Like a stream, to which,converging,
Many streamlets run?



who shall call his dream fallacious?
Who has searched or sought
All the unexplored and spacious
Univers of thought?



Who,in his own skill confiding,
Shall with rule and line
Mark the border-line dividing
Human and divine?



Trismegistus! Three times greatest!
How thy name sublime
Has descended to this latest
progeny of time !


Longfellow.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:06:21 am
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During the middle ages a great number of fraudulent writings were concieved by learned but money hungery "scholars". These tracts supposedly written by magicians, ancients,etc. were sold to the wealthy and royals. Much money was made on these books and manuscripts which were not worth the paper and ink they were scribbled on. One such manuscript still circulates and is still bringing huge sums of cash. I cannot remember the name of it; but I'm sure that some of you out there know which one I am referring to.No one has been able to break its code; possibly because there was no code. So one must be careful that his source is not fraudulent.Because a paper or parchment is old does not make it factual.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:06:50 am
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Exactly. Everyone wants wealth to escapte from uncertainty and so we get many fraudulent artifacts in history. I would be more impressed if the knowledge in these "sources" was straight to the point instead of woven into elaborate poems. They seem to be like Astrology in that most have a lot of words and a whole multitude of meanings.

"You or someone you know, may meet someone with dark or light hair at some point in the future. They may bring you happiness if you feel the time is right"

That kind of thing is what fraudulent ancient texts and pseudoscience is all about.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:07:27 am
 
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Lets just throw everything away and start over. Ok God, we are ready...lets go. No one is really trying here anyway, because they cannot discern that they exist anyway. They know not from where they issue and could care less. It is time to clean this place up.

If one were to look in their own mirror and realize the awesome fact that they exist and know they exist because they see, hear, smell, taste, smell, feel and intuit their being...Oh, well — we never were.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:07:58 am
 
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The Enigmni ZetaBox for Soulular Travel

Soulular Travel is the physical leveraging of Time/Space for the benefit of knowledge and wisdom to the spiritual soul, the eternal monad. It can only be accomplished by the higher being existing within and throughout the realm of perceived existences. That higher being is ever changeless yet outwardly changing and monadically multifaceted in expression. It has been said that it is almost holographic in its emulation, what some refer to as holo-spirited. Mankind is the progeny of this multifaceted generator or God. His means will be experienced here:

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And He said...Learners, I am going to insert you into this program for extracting incremental worth of the Monadic Soul. It is a program not unlike a simulation utilizing holographic virtual elements. It will appear as real as existence can possibly be yet it is a device for learning. For each of you it will initially seem strange because you will experience event sequences via a framework or vehicle that will exist within the Zeta program only. Its parameters are set to various conditions and means of solving vehicular problems within that environment. It is not unlike what you have here in this realm but you will be able to be subjected to existences that you never imagined before and you will not recognize yourself in that realm. It is indeed a very advanced RPG or Role Playing Game.

What is great about this experiment is that you are at present highly advanced in all that you know which seems like everything. But, when you enter this realm, you will be highly unfamiliar with the apparatus of motivation. There will be much learning that will be somewhat frustrating in the beginning. You will be highly clumsy and make many mistakes. There are others of us already in the program that will help you move through all the timely challenges. You will grow to admire many of those who are already moving up the chain of the gambital learning site. Their expertise in this highly challenging environ will aid you in your periodic movement through the various tests.

The program is written to allow you to grow in knowledge and it is the very same for everyone who is in the virtual realm. It rewards and punishes you vehicularly by taking away certain aspects of power and leveraging for movement in the realm. The program is highly robust with the laws of consequence and if one makes too many mistakes you will have need to opt out of the program and start over.

Your vehicle will have an onboard computer that must record every aspect of every event that takes place in this world or realm. It is like a server that keeps everything headed in the right direction automatically. You will have some leeway for creative efforts in the realm but pretty much the program has you by the lifeline when it come to working the challenges that will fly at you from the beginning.

The controls you have for movement in this realm are hair trigger and extremely deft. Of course you are highly advanced as a thinker, and extremely creative, but in the early stages it is mostly learning how to leverage the projected challenges to just sustaining some kind of composure that allows life in this environ. You may find it hard to stand and deliver.

Your other facets of being will join you and become players in the gambit. Some will be ahead and others behind but time will seem the same for all of you. You will play this game through to the end though you will be able to slip out when the vehicle itself crashes on a cyclic basis. When this happens you will return here for a debriefing and briefing with your colleagues where you will try to work out the next sequences of events in this realm and perhaps revisit the same gambit from a different perspective.

I must warn you. In the early stages of this simulated vehicular role playing, you will remember your advanced stages of being here in Timelessness, but as you learn the physical apparatus you will suffer immersion with the vehicle and begin to buy into the gambit. Unless you meditate and seek to maintain your present knowledge of the Eternal Monadic Realm, you will lose all contact with us. I know it seems strange being as intelligent as you are, but the program is good.

Of course, this event of being in the program is almost instantaneous for us, it will seem to you as a lifetime, because everything is on a different sequence coupled to events that are fired at you as potential to leverage.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:08:22 am
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:08:57 am
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In short...I_AM !  ;D

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:09:23 am
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Where are the minds??? Am I the last one?
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:09:54 am
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Yes you are Orion, in fact the rest of us are sheep and you are the Shepherd. Dazzle us with words that go nowhere again please, it keeps us in check.

What was the point of your post again? Can you simplify it so it makes sense to the rest of us please.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:10:31 am
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Sorry Orion but its getting so that you need ten league boots to navigate these sites. We could found a fertilizer factory. 
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:11:03 am
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What a load of simplistic crud.

What does this crap have to do with the Tabula Smaragdina?

Lets cut through the sh*tfog here...

The "Emerald Tablet" has nothing to do with Atlantis, even remotely. It is a mere 14 lines long and holds no evidence of ancient origin. It was admired in the middle ages by alchemists and thats as far as the so-called mystery goes.

It wasn't real.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:11:46 am
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Gee, Peter, we agree.  ;) ;) 
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:12:18 am
 
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Sure it existed, there are verses of Thoth coming from Atlantis. Atlantis was all but forgotten in the Middle Ages (along with Plato). Why in the world would someone pull out of thin air a tablet, said to be made of emerald, with a reference to a known Egyptian god said to come from Atlantis, in a time when Atlantis was barely even known? Obviously, an original existed at some time, else there wouldn't be all these copies hanging around, in so many different languages.

What bugs me is why so many people are so sure that it didn't exist. What the hell is so incredible about it? Is the Emerald Tablet the only Egyptian writing that tells a fantastic tale? How about the Westcar Papyrus, and other old Egyptian writings?

And as for there being no "evidence" it existed, I don't see any evidence for the Hanging Gardens, the Tower of Babel and a bunch of other things said to be far more incredible than the Emerald Tablet, and no one is doubting their existence.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:12:50 am
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I think you might be confused.

There is the Emerald Tablet, and the Emerald Tablets.

The former is evidenced historically. The latter, an imagined artifact describing Thoth's migration of Atlantis, is not.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:13:18 am
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BTW, The Tower of Babel does exist. Its now just a stump because Alexander the Great destroyed it and died before his order to rebuild it was carried out.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:13:47 am
 
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Details, Peter, Details......I do not remember that portion of Alexanders life being made known. Not saying it ain't so; just need the proper frame of reference.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:14:21 am
 
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While he was in Babylon he ordered it rebuilt. There is archaeological evidence of this. You might also find something in Plutarch.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:15:05 am
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Originally posted by Peter V:
I think you might be confused.

There is the Emerald Tablet, and the Emerald Tablets.

The former is evidenced historically. The latter, an imagined artifact describing Thoth's migration of Atlantis, is not.
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As I understand it, there are actually fifteen emerald tablets of Thoth in all (with numbers and fifteen one having the references to Atlantis). If you're saying that one is referenced historically, which one are you talking about?
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:16:02 am
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Ok, lets imagine that this tablets inscription is real:

http://www.alchemylab.com/emerald_tablet.htm

All it seems to say is that everything is one, which is a common belief in all religions. Everything came from one. That the energy from the Sun comes to us then radiates back up, and that meditation can give you the knowledge of this process. The transformation part is about energy transforming but never being destroyed, and life on this planet can evolve to fit the environment.

This doesn't seem like you'll suddenly find the power to lift huge blocks into place for pyramid building, or be able to shoot fireballs out your ass.

Tristan: "The Emerald Tablet is an ancient artifact that reveals a profound spiritual technology, which has survived to this day despite centuries of effort to suppress it. Encoded within the tablet's mysterious wording is a powerful formula that works in very specific and comprehensible steps on all levels of reality at once -- the physical, the mental, and the spiritual -- and shows us how to achieve personal transformation and even accelerate the evolution of our species"

If it contains such a code, where are the results of it? Surely someone who'd cracked it would give it all up or keep it entirely to themselves. That to me would give it credability.

Encoding a powerful formula that works on all levels of reality at once is quite a claim, and I doubt that it could be done with such a simple text. If it is true, I can only see it saying that all are one, everything carries the signature of everything else.

This is not news.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:16:31 am
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:16:56 am
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Thanks, Doc.

Like I said...14 lines. Nothing about Atlantis. The rest of the material, so often quoted by extraordinarily credible sites like crystallinks, was made up. Recently.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:17:28 am
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:18:01 am
 
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Being a newbie, I am trying to read all (or most)
the threads. At the beginning of this one, there
were a lot of arguments about the EMERALD (stone).

It seems that there were emerald mines in Egypt.
But in ancient times, all green gems were called
'emerald'. In fact, it was the OLIVINE, or our
PERIDOT that was mostly used in jewellery, as
the emerald itself does not occur as often, in
nature.

Life, Love and Light,
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:18:32 am
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Yo, Peter! Great to hear from you again!

Welcome, Bianca

I LOVE emeralds, but not Peridot.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:19:11 am
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In Rock Medicine emerald is the directive for treating anything relating to the back or spine.

Peridot is for the comfort of the enlightened. To comfort those who were first to experience the "quickening". The quickening is the term we use for the acceleration of enlightenment. As individuals "wake up", they are bombarded with feelings of exhilaration as well as fear. Peridot is like a security blanket to a small child. It assists in calming the concious mind to the revelations of the subconcious. All knowing of good and ill resides in the subconcious, that vast percentage of our mind that we do not use. Enlightenment, or revelation, is the utilization of the portion of our mental capacity that incorporates kindness.

As was said before, there are no levels of enlightenment. Either the light is off or it is on.

Once the light is on--once you acquire the conciousness of the light of kindness--you are faced with a whole new regimen of life. This can pose discomfort. There is a sense of overwhelm when you observe the cruelty of all who are not awake, and how many of them there are. Then there is the sense of self-loathing while considering your own deeds. Add to this the heightened sensation such as telepathy and prophetic vision. Some experience a pressure or a sense of urgency at the crown of their head. This is a valid physiological effect.

We are bringing everlasting Heaven into the third or physical plane. This state is locked in our subconcious where time does not exist as we know it. You cannot create something you cannot see, just as you cannot go somewhere you cannot find.

Since Creator is the ultimate scientist, we may well expect Heaven to ride in on the winds of technology. Rock medicine isone of the transition technologies. Only with the merging of science and spirit in our technological advances will we continue the work to achieve Heaven on Earth!

Peridot is for the comfort of the enlightened, as they go through these changes. It is not used by those who are sleeping. This is like selenite being used for childhood fears for the human individual, only peridot is for the child that is our collective conciousness. Peridot eases the pressure.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:19:45 am
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Thank you for the welcome, Smiley. Emerald is
MY favorite, too. But I love All the gems, cut
or in their natural state. Kind of expensive to
collect, as are my other obsessions, books and
exotic flowers.....

By the way, the "Sky Stone" (Turquoise) is con-
sidered by some to be the stone of Atlantis. I
have met people who have greeted me as a fellow
Atlantean while wearing mine.....

Rockessence, as a non-professional healer, I have
found, over the years, that it is best to let the
'patient' pick his/her own stone for treatment.

We may not all resonate to the same vibrations, or
to the vibrations that the authors claim. Still,
I enjoy reading their interpretation.

Life, Love and Light,
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:20:16 am
 
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There has been only a little discussion about the authenticity of the Emerald Tablets. I attribute
the lack of follow-up to Peter V.

Claiming the tablets to be recently made up from someone with knowledge in the field has put the damper on the flow of ideas. That is Peter’s right and I think he feels that it is also his obligation to set us little people on the straight and narrow.

On the other hand, I feel that I should share some information that I have on the subject, with the true believers and everyone else.

I invite you to visit the site www.marsearthconnection.com/etot.html. Look at the image that he draws a green line connecting the Sphinx with the apex of the great Pyramid (middle of web-page www.marsearthconnection.com/etot.html).

I think he is looking in the right direction, but if he was going to interrupt the text literally, he should go all the way.

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Aye, draw ye a line from the great image I builded, to the apex of the pyramid, built as a gateway.
Draw ye another opposite in the same angle and direction.
Dig ye and find that which I have hidden. There shall ye find the underground entrance to the secrets hidden before ye were men...
Emerald Tablet XI - the Key to Above and Below.
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He followed the first clue OK but missed the second clue, opposite angle.

If you were to stand on the head of the Sphinx and look up to the apex of the Great Pyramid, the angle (above the horizon would be about 25 degrees)

If you follow the third clue, you would look for some place on the ground, (to find the underground entrance). So you would use the second clue, and look (in the same direction) but below the horizon.

From the top of the Sphinx’s head, looking down about 25 degrees, there would be a place on the ground about 150 to 200 feet North-West of the Sphinx. (Near the modern day road, in line with the apex of the Great Pyramid). That would be the place to “dig ye and find that which I have hidden”.

There would be some uncertainty in the exact location, depending on where you stand on the Sphinx. If you stand on the head, the location will be farther to the north, but if you stand on the body of the sphinx, the location will be closer to the sphinx.


If you substitute the middle pyramid for the Great Pyramid in the above argument, the line going down toward the ground would end up just beside the cause-way to Khafre’s pyramid. And the same uncertainty in the exact location would happen. But the uncertainty in this case is moot, as we have evidence of the exact location.

I invite you to visit the site www.hallofmaat.com and follow the link to “Giza Before the Fourth Dynasty”, by Colin Reader. Search about half way down the page until you find the photo listed as Fig, 7.

In exactly the right place (Middle of the picture, North of Khafre’s causeway) is a rectangular ‘pit’ cut into the bedrock. Looks to me like the place to “dig ye and find that which I have hidden”.

What do you think???

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:21:36 am
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Heres a web-page that will help you see the logic and the solution to the riddle.

www.21stcenturyideas.com/hiddensecrets.html

Live long and prosper  :)

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:22:10 am
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I just read the Thoth tablets as presented at this site
http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald.html
It looks just like something from a Taoist or yogi. It gives an over view of the entire alchemical process as seen in those traditions.
It starts with his history and background personal stuff pertinent to his journey. He then relates how to use his discoverers in a more universal sense. He even gives real channel clearing exorcises just like the taoists. He talks about the seven chalkras, naming them Three, Four, Five,Six,Seven, Eight and Nine. Which is an interesting slant.
The chalkra reference shows how the world of the story teller is built with a foundation on some very profound knowledge.
This is the history and life approach of a very astute and I might add ethical person. Some one with a deep and compassionate view of the world and an edge on the nature of consciousness compared to most.
There is nothing in this document that discredits it basic claim to be some writings of Thoth or some one like that.

There is some useful stuff in there for the initiated.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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I am still trying to make sense of those tablets.  :D

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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I'm open, but these tablets seem very different then other Thoth writings I've reviewed. They seem to have much more of an "anglo" feel.

Is it just me?
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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Peter, you wrote;

"I would think that the spiritual midget is the one who judges another's level of spiritual development."


Which you then follow up with.....

"For one who has even the slightest grasp on Egyptian history, the so-called "tablet of thoth" is pure bunk. Inane garbage for the ignorant to whimsicly latch on to for purposes based in the emotional, rather than rational. "


Like ah said befo' Peeta, .....spiritual midget.

Sorry, I don't mean to be offensive, and sometimes truth hurts..... for whatever reason when, it really shouldn't, except for possibly the blind and deaf or maybe the coward. Logic really has nothing to do with it.


So, Peter, what exactly is the inane, bunk part of the tablets. I think I read somewhere that they were last seen and last displayed by Alexander the so-called Great. If the material was not Emerald, what do you think it was made from? Do you know much about what is written ***about*** "Thoth" (in distinction to what was said was written ***by**** him)? Can you point out the whimisical and emotional in his so-called writings? What exactly are the "ignorant" latching onto in the myth of Thoth that you are not fooled by due to your faultless logic and apparent ly inate spiritual wisdom? Do you know of any idea or Ideal relating to the concept of the First Source and Center that surpasses the writings of Thoth, or do you just not deal with that at all?
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Not only that but I believe that in studying the use of crystals for healing as stated that possibly they could have been able to store information so it may not have been an engraved Emerald Tablet. By the way for the Holistic Healers, green is a color used for healing as well as blue. Being that the Egyptians learned ways of healing it would make a lot of sense if studied in their Hermetic schools. So they would have learned the art of using such stones from Thoth that had information stored in them. Thoth is the one attributed to have brought the sciences to the Egyptians and taught them writing, mathematics, and the workings of the cosmos and about the stars and planets as well as the healing arts. The use of the Hermetic symbolism is still in use today as the Cadeucus used in medical practicices today to denote a medical doctor.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:24:52 am
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Oh one more thing to add: Jesus was thought to have attended these schools and learned these healing arts and the performing of the so called "miracles" was just merely using practices no one had seen before as well as his Infused Knowledge he was born with being a messenger from God. Not saying he was divine of course but he was a great man nonetheless.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:25:24 am
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"Was thought", "Supposedly last seen with Alexander the so-called great", Rumored, thought, maybe, supposedly, possibly, etc.etc. Show me, or anyone on this forum, proof positive that these so called tablets ever existed. As far as I can find the first mention of these hypothetical tablets came out of nowhere just prior to World War one. A fairytale can circulate for so long that people will begin to believe it. Adolph Hitler said, "Tell a lie long enough and everyone will accept it as the truth." That story about Alexander the Great is nothing more than wishfuyl thinking on the part of those who WANT to believe that they exist. It isn't recorded in conventional history.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:25:48 am
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I agree Brig however we aren't entirely sure of what may be in the "Hall of Records". Cayce does say that all the wisdom and history of the world and the true history of the human race is in the Hall. That being said then maybe it could be quite possible that the said Emerald Tablets are in that Hall. If you read my topic post about "King Solomon's Temple" In Egypt? I have alluded to such as "The Books of Thoth" which could be very well either written on emerald or somehow the information is stored whithin them. Science is just now discovering ways to record information using crystals so I wouldn't be suprised if in a few years they come up with something that would be able to read them as well like those crystal skulls. Also if science can't come up with the solution to "read" the information inside the crystals then it may take some sort of "Enlightened" person or "Chosen One" that is intuitive to do so.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:26:13 am
 
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IF they find the Hall of Records, and IF the emerald tablets are therein. Then we will all know they exist and will only need to know whether or not Thoth knew what he was talking about or was talking through his crown. Assuming anyone can discipher a language that has to be the oldest in existance.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:26:40 am
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If they are in there,he must of know what he was talking about !  ;D

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:27:04 am
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IF they find the Hall of Records, and IF the emerald tablets are therein. Then we will all know they exist and will only need to know whether or not Thoth knew what he was talking about or was talking through his crown. Assuming anyone can discipher a language that has to be the oldest in existance.
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I think that it will take a special sort of person. It could be someone who is not trained but has an "inner-knowing". If I remember correctly they are figuring out how to put information in to crystals so they might be able to find something to bee able to read then or the person with "The Gift" may be able to read it just by touching it. Even if it is in fact inscribed the person who is "The Chosen One" should be able to "read" it without worrying about actually being able to read it.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:28:19 am
 
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While the Emerald Tablets of Thoth may be a modern invention, there is an intriguing possibility that they may allude to a legend that goes back to 6th century Scotland. This is very speculative, of course, but the "emerald" tablets may be made of green amber. Natural green amber is a mix of clear amber and that with a pale greenish-yellow tone. Generally it contains inclusions of organic matter from plants and soils. These inclusions are large and the amber is beautiful and unusual. Amber that is heated may also turn a very lush, soft green, so amber tablets that have gone through a heating process such as engraving would appear to be emerald. Amber formed in panels or sheets was also known as "glass". Which leads us to the legend that may refer to the "Emerald Tablets":

An angel sent to Columba from heaven held in his hand a Book of Glass, regarding the appointment of kings. Having received the book from the hand of the angel, the venerable man, at his command, began to read it; and when he was reluctant to appoint Aidan king of Dalriada, as the book directed, because he had a greater affection for Iogenan his brother, the angel, suddenly stretching forth his hand, struck the saint with a scourge, the livid marks of which remained in his side all the days of his life. And he added these words: Ò Know for certain," said he, "that I am sent to thee by God with the Book of Glass, that in accordance with the words thou hast read therein, thou mayest inaugurate Aidan into the kingdom of Dalriada.

The Book of Glass was thought to have come into the possession of the descendants of Arthur, one of which was Prince Madoc of Gwynedd who supposedly discovered America in 1170. In 1162, Gypsies, who had come from North India via Russia, Romania, and Germany, wandered into Wales and were given safe haven by Madoc's father, Owain Gwynedd. Madoc questioned them about India and possible westward routes to that land. In the process, he showed them an artifact, thought to be the Book of Glass, from which the Gypsies took the symbols and lore which became the Tarot.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:28:48 am
 
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A lot of legend. But how far back is it traced in actual history. I have no problem with legend as it is usually based on some sort of fact. But even legends need verification. The problem of the Emerald Tablets of Thoth is they aren't even legend. They trace back to the very early 20th century (or very late 19th) and no verifiable record of them exists further back, not even as legend.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:29:20 am
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Stories and fairytales can, over long periods of time, take on lives of their own. The Lemurian tale is a prime example. Even relatively respectable publications will often mention the "fabled Lemuria". Yet this story can be easily traced back to a group of 19th century scientists who speculated that two widely divided populations of lemurs (a lemur is an early form of monkey) probably were once one population that existed on a land bridge that extended from Madagascar to India. This land bridge was given the name Lemuria (see the connection? It was named after the lemurs). However by early in the 20th century it was discovered that no land bridge existed in that area in the past few million years. Science fiction writers needing a romantic area for their stories picked up on the Lemuria theme and.....walla....people think its a lost civilization, frequently even placing it in the wrong ocean with Mu. You will find, even today, many romantics who still think this was a legitimate sunken civilization rather than the fact it was no more than a handy explaination (though incorrect) of why protomonkey populations were separated.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:29:48 am
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Brig,

The story of the Book of Glass appears in St. Adamnan's Vita Columbae, the biography of St. Columba. Adamnan was born in 624. The association of the kings of Dalriada with the legendary Arthur is debatable but accepted by many Arthurian scholars, as is the link to the kings of Gwynedd, North Wales. While the late 12th century date for the appearance of Gypsies in Wales is early - they were thought to have come from India into Europe in the 13th century, it is not inconceivable. It is known that the "deep" or inflected Romani was still spoken in Wales as late as the early 20th century, long after it had died out among the rest of the gypsy groups in Europe. No other historical links are available.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:30:16 am
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If the legend of "Emerald Tablets" and coming from Scotland is true this makes a lot of sense. There's a legend that one of Rameses' daughters, name Scota, left with her husband to the area which is now Scotland. So the idea of Egyptian artifacts showing up in Scotland helps with a theory of mine that I have concerning the Neolithic people of the area migrating to Egypt. Later they became Celts, then later still some Egyptians when they became the Israelites made a migration to that area. Their blood lines ran closely together and they blended well with the Celts.

I will write a full topic on it at another time

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:31:37 am
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I'm afraid DNA evidence contradicts this theory, Bear. The people of the Isles have inhabited the same area since before the end of the last ice age and they are not geneticly kin to either the Israelites nor the Egyptians. The legends, however, do persist that there is a connection. You might want to check a couple of the threads on this forum - Boreasi's NEW file, for one - also the discussion of Homer in the Baltic.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:32:02 am
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Okay thank you.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:32:29 am
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http://www.sofiatopia.org/equiaeon/emerald.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Tablet
"The oldest documentable source for the text is the Kitab Sirr al-Asrar, a pseudo-Aristotelian compendium of advice for rulers authored by Abd al-Qadir al-Jilani in around 800 AD."
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"1. Tis true without lying, certain & most true.
2. That which is below is like that which is above & that which is above is like that which is below to do the miracles of one only thing.
3. And as all things have been & arose from one by the meditation of one: so all things have their birth from this one thing by adaptation.
4. The Sun is its father, the moon its mother,
5. The wind hath carried it in its belly, the earth its nurse.
6. The father of all perfection in the whole world is here.
7. Its force or power is entire if it be converted into earth.
7a. Separate thou the earth from the fire, the subtle from the gross sweetly with great industry.
8. It ascends from the earth to the heaven & again it desends to the earth and receives the force of things superior & inferior.
9. By this means you shall have the glory of the whole world & thereby all obscurity shall fly from you.
10. Its force is above all force, for it vanquishes every subtle thing & penetrates every solid thing.
11a. So was the world created.
12. From this are & do come admirable adaptations where of the means (or process) is here in this.
13. Hence I am called Hermes Trismegist, having the three parts of the philosophy of the whole world.
14. That which I have said of the operation of the Sun is accomplished & ended. " -- Newton
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:32:57 am
 
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As for the crystal links Tablet...
This is traced to a Professor M Doreal in 1929.

It is a hoax created by this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulcanelli
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:33:46 am
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As I've said before. Tell a story long enough and some people will come to believe it to be true. We can only hope that Atlantis is not such as this. But at lest Atlantis can be traced back to a legitamate source circa three thousand years ago.
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:34:16 am
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One does not need to tell a story, but one does need to think upon his own being (Know Thyself). I have been given the same story in my dreams. I never read this prior to today. I did not realize that I had been given data that exists elsewhere. There are strange things going on in this world at present and I am beginning to think that perhaps if we meditate and dream upon such things...it may present itself as real. As I meditate upon the mounts of Texas I am seeing the ancient past in my mentality. Being an artist and creative writer, I know my mentality is massively full of these visions. Yet, from where do I get these impressions..? I do not know yet. But I have been directed to read Lubicz's Temple of Man and I have bought hundreds of books on Egypt trying to make heads or tails of these deep visions. I am no fool, but I do know something is going on in the background of my mind. I have prayed for the Wisdom of Solomon and feel as if I am being given that knowledge perhaps all the masters of our past are attempting to aid us in transcendent knowledge...who knows? I do know that I have been somewhat afraid of the power that I am currently visualizing...Lubicz's words are frequenting my dreams now...meditation is getting stronger. If these things are happening to you, let me know. I feel something is coming down...I once did not believe it...I was preoccupied with myself. But lately I am becoming more altruistic and feel more in touch with this universe...It is so hard to put into words. I have seen things I know I never saw in my lifetime. There is a power out there and if one seeks, they will indeed find...the door is opening. The Gnostics were right...the body of this wisdom is there for us all...REASON (and the word was REASON)

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:35:28 am
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One does not need to tell a story, but one does need to think upon his own being (Know Thyself). I have been given the same story in my dreams. I never read this prior to today. I did not realize that I had been given data that exists elsewhere. There are strange things going on in this world at present and I am beginning to think that perhaps if we meditate and dream upon such things...it may present itself as real. As I meditate upon the mounts of Texas I am seeing the ancient past in my mentality. Being an artist and creative writer, I know my mentality is massively full of these visions. Yet, from where do I get these impressions..??? I do not know yet. But I have been directed to read Lubicz's Temple of Man and I have bought hundreds of books on Egypt trying to make heads or tails of these deep visions. I am no fool, but I do know something is going on in the background of my mind. I have prayed for the Wisdom of Solomon and feel as if I am being given that knowledge perhaps all the masters of our past are attempting to aid us in transcendent knowledge...who knows??? I do know that I have been somewhat afraid of the power that I am currently visualizing...Lubicz's words are frequenting my dreams now...meditation is getting stronger. If these things are happening to you, let me know. I feel something is coming down...I once did not believe it...I was preoccupied with myself. But lately I am becoming more altruistic and feel more in touch with this universe...It is so hard to put into words. I have seen things I know I never saw in my lifetime. There is a power out there and if one seeks, they will indeed find...the door is opening. The Gnostics were right...the body of this wisdom is there for us all...REASON (and the word was REASON)
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I have not been able to put into words what you have just described. I have many books on Egypt myself and I've told my friend who is an Astrologer and psychic that I feel like I'm being guided to read these books. There are certain books that I've passed by but others the titles jump out at me. She says that what I am doing is my "remembering". I read the whole book but it's not always the whole book that I need. I get whatever information it holds and it sparks something in me. I have what I call waking mediation and sometimes things will come to me like the theory I posted about '"King Solomon's Temple" in Egypt?' No only do I think of these things before I've ever read them in any book but I also see the visions of this. In the book Tutankhamun Prophecies it talked about how the Egyptians not only believed in an afterlife but they also believed in a reincarnation. Because of this, they would leave a whole lot of information behind so that when the, did reincarnate, they would not have to start all over. The soul already knows but the information left helps bring it forth from the back of the mind. It may be quite possible that you've had a past life or two in ancient Egypt. I know I have just by how I reacted to seeing the famous bust of Nefertiti in the Egyptian Museum in Berlin, Germany. Let me know what you think.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
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Indeed so. I am as you describe yourself...an initiated one. I have never stopped doing this gambit...for eons I have trekked these realms in physical Time/Space and never grown weary. But I do not believe in reincarnation as some do...I believe in the Multifaceted One — whose eyes are many...the Anthropomnic being we all are — the One without any second. You are from the same facet that I am from...the part of the whole that some would suggest has holographic elementals seeking to come home. The Burgeoning is upon us. I was Egypt as were you...collective humanity could grow so exponentially if it could awaken to its past, present and duration. I suggest we all read the Temple of Man and think upon the potential of a final awakening at this place called here.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:36:37 am
Qoais

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Thoth = Quetzalcoatl = Zoroaster (Thrice Born)

Spirit guide to Ellie Crystal of the Crystal Links website.

I wish she'd just ask him where Atlantis is, and we could get on with it!!

If you go to the Crystal Links web page, then click on the alphabetical index, then click on 12 Tablets - Lunar Journey of Lost Tablets - you will see some beautiful pictures.

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:37:08 am
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Orion, please describe to us the Multifaceted One, whose eyes are many...the One without any second?

Also, what is "final" awakening...and where is this place called "here"? Is that the same place where "home" is?

..and if all of this information is only for the "initiated one(s)", why are you and these initiated one(s) being exclusive of the others?

..and is the One the whole? and if yes, isn't the whole all inclusive vs. being exclusive???

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:37:35 am
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I second that
sevens

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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:38:14 am
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Qoais: Now how do you conjecture that? Do their fingerprints match? or their DNA?  ;)
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: Veronica Poe on May 30, 2008, 12:38:48 am
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Title: Re: the Emerald Tablet of Thoth (Original Version)
Post by: HereForNow on June 02, 2008, 10:44:22 am
LOL yeap that would be the most recent. That GoneWithForever fella. What a hoot.
Reminded me of that early herefornow guy.