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Title: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba - Finally, Some Answers!! - UPDATE
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 07:41:54 am
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                                     THE SEARCH FOR ATLANTIS IN CUBA





A Report by Andrew Collins

British historian Andrew Collins is the author of GATEWAY TO ATLANTIS, which in 2000 proposed
that Cuba was the flagship of Plato's island empire. He reports on the recent discoveries of a lost
city off Cuba, and its importance to the Atlantis legend.

 

Readers will be aware of the discovery deep beneath the Yucatan Channel, off the coast of Guanahacabibes in western Cuba, of what is purportedly a lost city.

Hi-tech sonar equipment aboard the 'Ulises', a vessel owned by Canadian firm Advanced Digital Communications (ADC), detected a several-kilometre square area of what appear to be roads,
pyramids and other building structures at a depth of 2,200 feet.

Yet it was not until July 2001 that Paulina Zelitsky, the Russian-born leader of the expedition,
got a chance to view the site first-hand.

A remote operated video (ROV), dispatched to the ocean floor, sent back frustratingly poor
quality footage of linear stone features and large stone blocks, their sides and edges worn
away by the actions of the sea.


What had ADC found, and was it connected in some way with the legend of lost Atlantis, as
described by the Athenian philosopher Plato more than 2,350 years ago?


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 07:48:40 am
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One man's interpretation of Cuba's underwater pyramid located in the
Yucatan Channel.

This 3D image was created by Dean Clarke of Atlantisite.com after he
studied the deep-sea sonar image released to the world.



Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 07:53:58 am
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The Myth of Atlantis



Atlantis was said to have been an island empire the size of 'Libya and Asia put together',
founded by the sea-god Poseidon. It possessed a cosmopolitan metropolis, with palaces,
royal courts, harbor works and waterways that constantly received sea-going vessels
from afar.

For many generations Atlantis ruled the Atlantic Ocean as well as parts of the `opposite
continent'. Yet soon the empire set its sights on controlling the lands inside the Medi-
terranean basin. It was at this point that the fair race of Athens rose up against the
Atlantean aggressor and in a decisive naval battle defeated its enemy. Some time after-
wards the god Zeus unleashed 'earthquakes and floods' that drowned the Athenian navy
and submerged the island of Atlantis in one `terrible day and night'.

The date given for this catastrophe is post 8570 BC in Plato's dialogue the Timaeus and
9421 BC in its sequel the Critias.

Such is what Plato tells us about Atlantis, but we must never lose sight of the fact that
he was writing around 350 BC at the height of the classical age. Much of what he had to
say was influenced or based on political issues of his day, as well as matters of importance
debated in the philosophical schools in which he moved. Unquestionably, they would have
included whether or not there existed in the sea of Atlas, the modern Atlantic ocean, inhabit-
able islands reached by ocean-going mariners. Other contemporary writers spoke of islands
to the west that had been discovered and occupied by Phoenician and Carthaginian mariners,
who kept quiet about their existence in case of drawing undue interest from foreign nations.

Yet the evidence is there that these same voyagers crossed over the ocean and were aware
not only of the Sargasso Sea, but also the islands of the Bahamas and Caribbean. Indeed,
there is every indication that the Phoenicians and Carthaginians entered the Gulf of Mexico
and made landfall on the Gulf coast, where they could have traded goods such as tobacco
and coca leaves with cultures such as the Olmec and Maya of the Yucatan.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 07:55:55 am
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Rumours of Cataclysm



Following Columbus' celebrated landfall in the Bahamas in 1492, Spanish explorers heard
stories from the indigenous peoples of the Caribbean and Bahamas that spoke of a flood
which had devastated the archipelagos. It was said to have split apart a much larger land-
mass, killing the inhabitants and leaving the many thousands and islands and cays that
remain today.

Some of these stories include clues which hint at a much greater catastrophe.

One from Tobago speaks of 'the ole moon breaking', while others from Venezuela and the
Yucatan allude to a period of darkness, fire falling from the sky and the presence overhead
of a fiery snake.

Had some cosmic impact caused a massive cataclysm that devastated the Bahamas and
Caribbean?


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 07:58:50 am
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The Carolina Bays Comet



The presence of around 500,000 elliptical craters, ranging from a few hundred metres to
11 kilometres in size, across the entire eastern seaboard of the United States, from New
Jersey down to Miami, is perhaps the greatest clue. Modern theories are that these so-
called Carolina Bays (after the states in which they were first noted during aerial surveys
in the 1920s) were caused by a comet which entered the earth's atmosphere from the
north-west over Alaska and disintegrated into millions of pieces that detonated above the
ground, very much in the manner of the small comet which caused the Tunguska event in
Siberia in June 1908.

The effects of the catastrophe, some time around the end of the last Ice Age, were ex-
treme. Not only would it have caused a wall of fire and wind, which would have laid flat
large areas of Tundra forest and decimated flora and fauna, but the resulting dust clouds
would have created a 'nuclear winter' which seems to have resulted in a temporary re-ad-
vance of the ice fields that had covered much of North America, Europe and Asia for the
previous 40,000 years. Moreover, hundreds and thousands of fragments of the comet fall-
ing in the western Atlantic basin would have produced tsunami waves of immense proport-
ions which would have temporarily drowned both the eastern seaboard of the United
States and the islands of the Bahamas and Caribbean, wiping out entire populations (a few
must have got away to tell the tale, as it told in the creation myths of the indigenous
peoples of both Central and North America, and also those of the Caribbean).


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 08:01:01 am
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Could memories of this cataclysmic event have been preserved across millennia until they
were recounted eventually to Spanish explorers that reached in the Bahamas and Caribbean
in the wake of 1492? If so, were the same tales told to Phoenician and Carthaginian voyagers
who visited these same islands prior to Plato's age?

Did Plato come to hear not only of the islands which existed in the outer ocean, but also of
the cataclysm which once devastated this self same region?

Did it cause the landmass to be inundated by flood waters, splitting it into individual islands -
temporarily at first, but then more permanently when eventually the ice fields of North America,
Europe and Asia finally began to melt, causing the sea-level to rise by as much as 100 metres?

Thus was the sinking of Atlantis a memory of the sub-mergence of both the former Bahaman
landmass and the low-lying regions of the Caribbean?

Certainly we can say that all this took place around the very same time that Plato tells us
Atlantis was destroyed by 'one terrible day and night of earthquakes and floods'.

Moreover, if the Caribbean islands did once form part of Atlantis, then it would mean that
part of the landmass was still above water today.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 08:03:10 am
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The Size of Libya and Asia Put Together?



Remember, mountain ranges do not sink out of sight simply through cataclysms such as
comet impacts. Certainly, it can be shown that the landmass was considerably smaller
than Plato would have us believe. At one point he says that it was the size of 'Libya and
Asia' put together. Yet later he reports that the island possessed a vast irrigated plain
that 'stretched for three thousand stadia [552 kilometres] in one direction, and at its
centre, for two thousand [stadia, i.e. 368 kilometres] inland from the coast'. Beyond it
to the north, west and east were `mountain ranges' that came right down to the sea as
precipitous cliffs, while the southern end of the plain, on which the city was situated,
was at sea-level. It does not take a geographer to realise that Plato was describing an
east-west orientated island perhaps as little as 600 by 400 kilometres in size.

By suggesting that Atlantis was the size of 'Libya and Asia' put together is likely to relate
not so much to its geographical extent but to the regions of the ocean over which the
kings of Atlantis were considered to hold dominion. This is verified in the knowledge that
the Atlantean empire was said to consist of a whole series of islands that lay in front of
an 'opposite continent', plausibly the American continent, reached by 'voyagers' using a
series of 'other islands', plausibly the Bahamas or Lesser Antilles, which in early colonial
times acted as stepping stones for ocean-going vessels attempting to reach the mainland.

So can we now go on to identify Plato's Atlantis?


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 08:05:44 am
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Cuba's Great Plain



The description of an island plain surrounded to the east, north and west by 'mountain
ranges', matches Cuba's western plain that stretches from Havana westwards to Pinar
del Río, and is enclosed on its northern and western extremes by the Cord de Guanigua-
nico mountain range. We also know that until around 9,000 years ago the plain extend-
ed southwards, across what is today the Bay of Batabanó, to the Isle of Youth. Here
then is evidence of a vast plain, originally 540 by 160 kilometres in extent, drowned, in
part at least, during the time-frame suggested by Plato.

Cuba's Cord de Guaniguanico might also be compared with the 'mountain ranges' that
Plato tells us shielded Atlantis' great plain from `cold northerly winds'. Between Novem-
ber and February each year, Cuba is subject to bitterly cold winds, known as los nortes,
or 'northers', that blow in blizzards from the eastern United States. Although these cold
fronts reach exposed regions of the Cuban landmass, the Cord de Guaniguanico comple-
tely shields the western plain from the harsh winds, which would otherwise damage
winter crops.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 08:07:29 am








Moreover, Cuba has been identified by leading geographers as a mysterious island para-
dise known as Antillia, or the island of the Seven Cities, said to have laid in the outer
ocean according to Moorish, and later Portuguese medieval tradition (and unquestionably
borrowed from much earlier Phoenician and Carthaginian sources).

More than this, the name Antillia can be shown to derive from the Semitic word root ATL,
'to elevate', which was also the root behind the name Atlas, from which we derive the
name Atlantis, 'daughter of Atlas', the term used for an Atlantic island (Atlantides,
'daughters of Atlas', was the plural used in ancient times to denote Atlantic islands in gene-
ral). In other words, if Antillia was merely a medieval form of Atlantis, then it further con-
firms Cuba's association with Plato's Atlantic paradise.



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                                                          A N T I L L I A





From Wikipedia:

Antillia (or Antilia) is a phantom island said to lie in the Atlantic Ocean far to the west of Spain.
This mythical island had several other names such as Isle of Seven Cities, Ilha das Sete Cidades (Portuguese), Septe Cidades, Sanbrandan (or St Brendan), etc. Antillia was also identified with
islands including the Isles of the Blest and the Fortunate Islands.



The origin of the name is quite uncertain. The oldest suggested etymology (1455) fancifully
connects it with the name of the Platonic Atlantis, while later writers have endeavoured to
derive it from the Latin anterior (i.e. the island that is reached "before" Cipango), or from the
Jezirat al Tennyn, "Dragon's Isle".



Plutarch



The legend of the islands seems to have arisen at the latest in pre-Christian Roman times when
Plutarch chronicled (in 74 AD, chapter 8 refers) the life of the Roman military commander and
Consul of Spain Quintus Sertorius (died 75 BC). After returning by sea to Spain after a campaign
in "Mauretania" (modern northern Morocco), Sertorius "met some sailors who had recently come
back from the Atlantic Islands." It was from these men that Sertorius learned facts so beguiling
that he made it his life's ambition to find the islands and retire there. According to Plutarch:



“ The islands are said to be two in number separated by a very narrow strait and lie 10,000 furlongs
from Africa. They are called the Isles of the Blessed. They enjoy moderate rains and long intervals
of winds which for the most part are soft, and precipitate dew, so that the islands not only have a
rich soil excellent for ploughing and planting but also produce a natural fruit that is plentiful and whole-
some enough to feed, without toil or trouble, a leisured folk.

Moreover an air that is salubrious, owing to the climate and the moderate changes in the seasons,
prevails on the islands. The North and East winds which blow out from our part of the world plunge
into fathomless space and, owing to the distance, dissipate themselves and lose their power before
they reach the islands, while the South and West winds that envelop the islands sometimes bring in
their train soft and intermittent showers, but for the most part cool them with moist breezes and gently
nourish the soil. Therefore a firm belief has made its way, even to the barbarians, that here are the
Elysian Fields and the abode of the Blessed of which Homer sang."



MORE:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antillia


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 08:11:03 am
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The Seven Caves



For more evidence of the part Cuba played in the foundation of the Atlantis myth,
we turn our attentions to the creation myths of the Mesoamerican peoples, such
as the Aztec, Toltec and Maya.

They spoke variously of their earliest ancestors coming from an island paradise loca-
ted in the east, known variously as Aztlan or Tulan, following a period of darkness
when the sun would not appear. On this island the first humans are said to have emer-
ged from somewhere called Chichomoztoc, the Seven Caves.

From these individuals came seven tribes, or clans, and by their hands rose Seven Cities.

I believe that some semblance of knowledge regarding the creation of the seven cities
in Mesoamerican myth led to Antillia, or Cuba, becoming known as the Island of the
Seven Cities.

Furthermore, just ten years after Christopher Columbus's famous landfall in the Bahamas
in 1492, the main islands of the Caribbean - Puerto Rico, Hispaniola and Cuba - were nam-
ed on maps as 'the Isles of Antillia of the King of Aragon', showing how the early Spanish
explorers likewise came to identify them with ancient Antillia and its accompanying islands.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 08:15:54 am








The only site in the whole of the Caribbean which bears any resemblance to Chico-
moztoc, the Seven Caves, is the Punta del Este cave complex at the extreme east-
ern end of a peninsular on the Isla de Juventud (Isle of Youth), divided from the
southern coast of the Cuban mainland by the Bay of Batabano.

Ceuva # Uno (Cave No. 1) has been described as a veritable Sistine chapel of the
prehistoric world, and is filled with beautiful petroglyphs of concentric circles, recti-
linear shapes and other abstract forms many thousands of years old.

I interpreted the symbolism of these designs as perhaps embodying the memory of
some kind of comet impact suffered by the Caribbean in a distant epoch.

Such thoughts came entirely from intuitive feelings experienced during a personal
visit to the cave in September 1998 - feelings that led me to explore the possibility
of a comet impact having devastated the region.

More curiously, Paulina Zelitsky, the director of the ADC team working out of Cuba,
visited the Punta del Este caves for the first time only shortly before the discovery
of the Guanahacabibes site, off the west coast of Cuba in July 2002. She has since
claimed that an unconfirmed carving of a cross detected on a large, roughly rectan-
gular block videoed at the underwater site, bears some similarity to an abstract cross
design found inside Punta del Este's Cueva # Uno.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 08:19:20 am








The 1951 ECOS Article



Yet, it now appears that as early as 1951, a decade before the advent of Communist
rule on the island, Cuban archaeologists were working on the theory that the petro-
glyphs in Punta del Este's Ceuva # Uno's reflected some kind of cosmic catastrophe
which devastated Atlantis.

A two-page article appeared in the February 1952 edition of the magazine ECOS en-
titled 'Formó Cuba Parte de la Atlándida?'. Written by Francisco Garcia-Juarez, the
press secretary of the Instituto Cubano de Arqueologia (Institute of Cuban Archaeo-
logy, or ICA) it posed the question:

did Cuba once form part of Atlantis?

He explained how members of the Institute were investigating the idea that traces
of an Atlantean culture might be found in Cuba and Hispaniola, a view offered to
them by Egerton Sykes, then a world renowned authority on Atlantis. In 1949 he had
written an introduction for a revised edition of ATLANTIS: THE ANTEDILUVIAN WORLD,
the all-time classic on the subject, written by former US congressman Ignatius Donnelly
and published for the first time in 1882 (and still available as a re-print by Dover Publica-
tions).

Sykes was also the editor of a journal propounding Hans Hoerbinger's Cosmic Ice theory
entitled, simply, ATLANTIS, in which appeared a partial translation of the above-men-
tioned ECOS article.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 08:22:26 am








According to Syke's translation, the ICA concluded that the most likely location where-
traces of the Atlantean culture might be found on Cuba was the Punta del Este cave
complex.

In one cave was found steps that led up to an alcove which might possibly have been
used by priests to observe the movement of the stars. Moreover, petroglyphs inside the
caves (presumably those in Cueva # Uno) displayed astronomical information which linked
them with the origins of the Maya calendrical system, thus the possibility that Cuba had
been a 'staging post' for the migrations of the Maya into Central America should not be
overlooked.

More than this, the translation stated:



"On the South coast of Cuba, at Camaguey, there are many partially
submerged mounds called "caneyes", which may have been places of
refuge for primitive man.

There are numerous artifacts here which have never been adequately
investigated. Numerous skeleton remains found here give evidence of
a sudden and violent death due to some catastrophe.

The artifacts include stone balls, spherical stones, elongated stones,
and rods with forked ends resembling snakes.

The absence of large monuments may merely mean they have not yet
been seriously looked for."


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 08:26:07 am








Sykes had told the ICA that, if Cuba did form part of Atlantis, then its archaeologists
would find evidence on the island of artificial deformation of the cranium among its
ancient inhabitants, as well as step monuments or ziggurats and methods of cutting
and orientating large rocks.

Why exactly he felt they would find these things is not made clear, although I suspect
that his theories were based on Donnelly's concept of a diffusion of shared ideas among
ancient cultures on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean, due to the suggested migration
of peoples from Atlantis following its destruction. Whatever the reasons, the archaeo-
logists confirmed that all of these things had been found on Cuba, but, as the article
stated, there would have to be a revolution of the established ways of thinking before
their presence would be seen as evidence for the existence of Atlantis.

What was infinitely more important, however, were the interpretations of the petro-
glyphs found in the Punta del Este caves (again, seemingly those in Cueva # Uno) by
Cuban archaeologists back in 1951.

Captions accompanying two examples shown as line illustrations, explained that the sym-
bols showed a comet with a tail hitting an astral, or celestial, body, and breaking up,
confirming my own theory that the petroglyphs of Cueva # Uno embodied a memory of
a catastrophe caused by the fragmentation of a comet during some former age. Yet,
what evidence might we find that the former Bahaman landmass might once have been
home to the same Atlantean culture?


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 08:30:06 am








Cayce's Psychic Quest



In 1926 Edgar Cayce, America's most famous psychic, agreed to use his psychic talents
to find buried treasure on the twin-islands of Bimini, the self-styled 'gateway to the
Bahamas'.

The wealthy businessmen involved had asked Cayce to join them in Miami following some
initial readings (all mostly missing now from the Cayce archives). However, Cayce had
said that he could not easily take up temporary residence in Miami because of his prac-
tice at Virginia Beach. Moreover, in one letter he pointed out that his son was seriously
ill and that he could not possibly make any long journeys until the boy had regained his
full health.

Edgar Cayce and his business associates never did find any buried treasure on Bimini,
even though the psychic made his only ever visit to the island in February 1927. How-
ever, both during the psychic investigations and afterwards, Cayce now began to refer
to Bimini as a surviving fragment of a great landmass called Poseidia, itself a surviving
portion of a great continent called Atlantis.

He predicted that parts of Poseidia would start to rise off Bimini in 'sixty-eight and sixty-
nine, not so far away'.

This led to a concentration of effort by the Association of Research and Enlightenment
(ARE), the active arm of the Edgar Cayce Foundation, to find evidence of Atlantis in
the shallow waters around Bimini, and in the summer of 1968 this culminated in the dis
-covery of rectangular foundations (the so-called 'temple site') in the metre-deep
waters off Andros, the largest island in the Bahamas, as well as the so-called Bimini
Road site, located off Paradise Point, North Island.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 08:35:14 am







Thus began a relationship between Atlantis and the Bahamas which has continued
now for nearly 35 years, with as many as 60 sites of possible archaeological interest
being noted in its shallow waters. By far the greatest concentration are found on
the south-western corner of the horseshoe-shaped Great Bahama bank which, al-
though almost entirely submerged today, was still being swallowed up by the ocean
as late as 3000-2000 BC.

Described by J. Manson Valentine, the great underwater explorer as the 'mother lode'
of the Bahamas, they face out across the extremely deep Old Bahama Channel to-
wards Cuba, and their presence seems to hint at a connection in prehistory between
these two enormous landmasses.

As early as the 1950s light aircraft pilots flying in and out of Cuba from Miami reported
seeing what appeared to be walls and buildings in the waters north of the Cuban mainland.

There is no question that, if the Bahaman landmass did once support a prehistoric cul-
ture, then it was also present on Cuba as well. Carved petroglyphs, with skylights in
their ceilings to let in sunlight, stone cairns and age-old human bones have been found
in submerged caves not only on the Great Bahama Bank, but also on its more northerly
neighbour, the Little Bahama Bank.

They bear striking similarities to the decorated caves of Cuba which are at least several
thousand years old, and plausibly much older still. Whoever inhabited these sites were
the descendants of those who survived the cataclysm, and those who went on to be-
come the ruling class of the Mesoamerican peoples such as the Olmec, Maya, Quiche,
Toltecs and Aztecs.

Here, somewhere, is the origins of the Atlantis myth, and Cuba holds the key to its re-
discovery, and one day we will have all the answers. Whether the stone structures dis-
covered by ADC in the Yucatan Channel do turn out to be remnants of lost Atlantis
remains to be seen.

All we can hope is that the full extent of the finds is researched and documented, allow-
ing people to make up their own minds on whether the greatest enigma of the ancient
world has finally been solved.


http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/atlantiscuba.htm


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 11:01:26 am











                                        P U N T A   D E L   E S T E   C A V E S 




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Punta del Este Caves are located 20 km from Cayo Piedra. Through Lanier Swamp there are an
eastern way giving access into the place.

The first data obtained about Punta del Este, located at south-eastern of Isla de la Juventud
were taken in 1903 by Charles Berchona French geographer, but until 1922 first real archaeo-
logical information aren’t obtained with Fernando Ortiz’s visit to the cave, confirming it was
the rests of a pre-Columbian temple
.
Unfortunately it wasn’t until 1967 when started a successful ransom and conservation work
of these caves, but by that time those caves had been hardly mutilated by previous popula-
tors who made from the caves their home. The populators plundered the pre-Columbian ob-
jects these people damaged the original paintings with the soot of their cookers.

These painting are the main attractive of those caves.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 11:07:15 am
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More than 230 cave paintings are drown in the 5 caves in Punta del Este, in a cavernous
space more than 20 mts wide and 20 mts depth. The size of these imposing cave paintings
made on these caves walls and ceilings give the name of Cuba’s Sistine Chapel.

The drawings in Punta del Este are lineal, abstract ad geometric remaining curvilinear lines.

Its position is completely symbolic and chosen colours are red and black
.
According to carbon 14 test the ancient of the drawings is 850 years AC although it is
thought they could be even older.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 11:10:40 am
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In the symbolic allusions of these cave paintings is represented the succession of days
by nights in the worship calendar, 28 concentric circles, in which are detached a red
arrow represent the lunar month.

Every day sunbeams enters through the porch of the main cave (No.1) following this astral
route and lightning different sections of the mural. On march 21, date corresponding to the
spring equinox a sunbeam enters through a hole in the ceiling and reaches the centre of a
rounded stone located in the cave centre.


http://www.cuban-beaches.com/isla_de_la_juventud/punta_del_este_caves


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 05:34:32 pm








                        Has the Location of the Center City of Atlantis Been Identified?





By Dr. Greg Little

In his now-classic 2000 book, Gateway to Atlantis, British author Andrew Collins makes a compelling case that the main island of the island empire of Atlantis was Cuba. Collins believes that the center
city of Atlantis was somewhere around the Isle of Youth, located to the south of the main island of Cuba.

In his book, Collins related that a clue was left by the famous treasure hunter, Mel Fisher, before Fisher's death in 1998. Fisher spoke to Collins and told him that he had initially identified the center
city of Atlantis using satellite images. He then secretly went to the site and reportedly confirmed
that it was the actual city.

The center city of Atlantis was, according to Plato's account, a circular city about 2.5 miles in dia-
meter ringed by a much larger body of water making the land immediately around the city about 7
miles in diameter. The center city was ringed by three circular canals and had a long canal leading south to the sea. To the north, a complex of smaller canals led to the city and a mountain range blocked the cold winds. There were springs in the center of the city, on top of a small hill, which housed Poseidon's massive temple.

During his discussion with Fisher, Collins relates that Fisher refused to divulge the location of the
city, until a "certain country" had a change in political leaders. Fisher let it slip that Cuba was the location he had investigated, but not much else was discussed.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 05:35:58 pm
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1st shot is satellite view of Andros and Cuba.







During our 2002-2003 investigations at Bimini and Andros, one of the other things we did
was obtain satelite images of Cuba which were available to Fisher back in 1998.

In August 2002 we carefully studied these images and found a location in Cuba which clo-
sely matched many of the descriptions given by Plato.

We posted some of the information on the Edgar Cayce organization's website

 (www.edgarcayce.org/am)

in September 2002 and dubbed the location the "Z" site. We planned to visit the Cuban
site in 2003 during our Andros expeditions, but because the political situation took a se-
rious turn for the worse, the plans were shelved. In our just-released book (The A.R.E.'s
Search for Atlantis) and video documentary (The A.R.E.'s 2003 Search for Atlantis) we
have revealed the location and other significant information.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 05:47:36 pm
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 2nd satellite image focuses
on Zapata (right hand side),
the underwater island at Za-
pata, and the Isle of Youth
(left hand side).







The site is an underwater island at Zapata, located on the southern side of Cuba, north
of the Isle of Youth and just to the west of the Bay of Pigs.

The island is surrounded by a small ring of water and is about 7 miles in diameter, consi-
stent with Plato's description of the outer ring of Atlantis. We obtained old depth and
bottom contour charts of the site and found that the island has a series of rings comprising it.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 05:52:50 pm
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3rd satellite shot shows the
underwater island enlarged
and the Bay of Pigs.







To the north of the underwater island is a massive swamp, which is criss-crossed with
manmade canals. The canals were enlarged during the 1930s and 40s for logging, but
were present before that time.

They have been attributed to the Taino Culture, a mound builder culture present in
Cuba about 3,000-years ago. However, no one knows when they were actually made.

Further to the north, a mountain range encloses the area and a wide river runs at
the base of the mountain—again, consistent with Plato. In addition, we found that
the center of the underwater island is not only the tallest portion, but also has several
springs on it.



Dr. Greg Little is a frequent guest on radio shows: Greg Little's Upcoming Radio Shows

We have posted a few satellite images with this article as well as a few Quicktime clips
of the video.


http://www.mysterious-america.net/hasatlantisbeenf.html


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 06:05:03 pm
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                                        Cayce on Atlantis: Bimini & Cuba?





About 700 of Cayce’s readings mentioned Atlantis. He stated the size of Atlantis (prior to
disturbances in 50,000 B.C.) was similar to Europe combined with the portion of Asia con-
sidered to be part of Europe (Eurasia). Its position “was between the Gulf of Mexico on
the one hand - and the Mediterranean upon the other.” Some islands were mentioned by
Cayce as once being mountaintops or “protrusions” of Atlantis: The British West Indies or
the Bahamas and Bimini.

In March 1927, a Cayce reading (996-12) referred to “adjacent lands to the west and south
of the isles” (Bimini) as a portion of Atlantis that “will be uncovered.” Cuba lies to the west
and south of Bimini and is between the Gulf of Mexico and the Mediterranean.

According to Cayce, the first two destructions of Atlantis resulted in it becoming islands.
The final catastrophe caused the major civilization centers of Atlantis to submerge as well
as be subject to destructive forces. It isn’t suggested that Cuba was Atlantis. It is logical
to assume that those fleeing prior to the final destruction would seek the highest ground
and Cuba may well have been a place where some survivors went.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2008, 06:09:34 pm
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Map of Bimini
showing the area of the road







Overview of the Bimini Search


The Bimini Road consists of rows of stone blocks about a half-mile from Paradise Point in
North Bimini. The longest row is about 1600 feet long. It has a J-shaped turn on one end.
The blocks vary considerably in size and shape.

“And Poseidia will be among the first portions of Atlantis to rise again. Expect it in sixty-
eight or sixty-nine [1968 or 1969].” (1940 Reading 958-3)

* In 1957 Joe Gouveia (an A.R.E. member and pilot) searched around Bimini and reported
finding columns and blocks.

. * A team member of the 1957 expedition (Dr. William Bell) found a vertical column rising
from the seafloor. He also found several stone slabs and a gear-like structure. David Zink’s
book, The Stones of Atlantis, published some of these pictures.

. * In 1968 pilots Trigg Adams and Robert Brush spotted what appeared to be a building
structure near Andros Island.

* Later in 1968, biologist J. Manson Valentine and Dimitri Rebikoff, discovered the “Bimini
Road.” Valentine also reported that he found over 30 other sites with structures that
appeared to be manmade.

* Valentine, Rebikoff. Adams, and Brush formed the Marine Archaeology Research Society
(MARS) and tried to obtain permission to excavate the road.

* The owners of the shore at the “road site” were given control of the “road” and excluded
the MARS team from having access to it.

* Numerous other amateurs visited and made wild claims.

* In 1971, an article in Nature by the Virginia Beach-based Geologist Wyman Harrison
reported that the “road” was natural beach rock.

* In the early 1970s, a team (SEAS ­ Scientific Exploration and Archaeology Society) led
by geologist John Gifford discovered another site called “Proctor’s Road” consisting of
clumps of stone at intervals running in a straight line for a mile.

* In 1974, Dr. David Zink (an English professor at Lamar University) met J. Manson Valen-
tine at Bimini and performed the first full survey at the Bimini Road.

* In Zink’s “Poseidia ‘75” expedition he assembled a dozen divers, archaeologists, and geo-
logists to study the road. Zink concluded that, rather than a road, the site was a mega-
lithic site. A 300-pound marble “head” sculpture was found along with a grooved building
block.

* In 1976, Zink’s “Poseidia ‘76” expedition included zoologist Dr. Doug Richards. The Bimini
Road was more accurately surveyed and mapped and magnetic anomalies were found.

* In 1977, the marble “head” was raised and a coring of the rocks was made. The results
of the coring were inconclusive. The head may—or may not—have been a carving.

* In 1980, geologist Eugene Shinn and archaeologist Marshall McKusick published a report
in Nature that the road was beach rock.

* In 1984, armed with satellite photos from Landsat 4, an A.R.E. team including Doug
Richards, Marty Obando, and others were able to view possible sites from a plane. Sub-
sequent on-site investigations from a boat were disappointing. A land excursion was also
made with nothing of relative importance found.

* In 1989 an A.R.E. group led by Joan Hanley discovered a sand-formed “shark mound” in
the middle of mangrove swamps on Bimini. The 500-foot long mound has yet to be exca-
vated or professionally examined. Raymond Leigh had an infrared photo of the mound taken.

* In 1996 Doug Richards and Joan Hanley led an A.R.E. expedition to Bimini funded by Don
Dickinson and the Law of One Foundation. Side sonar scanning was done in several areas
around Bimini. A host of rectangular and anomalous features were found in deeper water.
Dive time to inspect the anomalies was limited because of the depths. However, several
members believed the features to be manmade.

* In 2002 the A.R.E. completed a 630 sq. km IKONOS satellite imaging project of the
Bimini area.

* In March 2003, Greg and Lora Little flew over the largest circle found in the Bimini
satellite project and obtained high resolution digital video the circle. Computer analysis
revealed that the circle showed unusual characteristics.

* In April 2003 Greg and Lora Little visited several of the Bimini circles discovering that
the smaller ones appeared to have been made by a "cookie cutter." These smaller circles
had well-defined walls and a bottom with inner walls two to three-feet deep. The large
circle was actually raised off the sea bottom about three feet with a well-defined outer
wall.



Note: information above comes from Mysteries of Atlantis Revisited by Edgar Evans Cayce,
 Gail Cayce Schwartzer, and Douglas G. Richards. Other information and photos come from
the A.R.E. bimonthly magazine, Venture Inward. All photos and text © by the A.R.E. or the
authors. Reproduction is prohibited.


http://www.edgarcayce.org/am/biminiexpedition.html


http://www.edgarcayce.org/am/atlantisnews.html


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 07, 2008, 07:06:37 am
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Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 07, 2008, 07:08:30 am
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ZAPATA PENINULA


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 07, 2008, 07:10:17 am
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CUBA:

ZAPATA PENINSULA AND ZAPATA NATIONAL PARK

are located in the southern part (underbelly) of Cuba.



Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 07, 2008, 07:25:28 am
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Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 07, 2008, 07:27:01 am
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From Wikipedia

 
Zapata Peninsula (Spanish: Península de Zapata)

is a large peninsula in Matanzas Province, southern Cuba,
at 22.3044444° N 81.3777778° W.

 
Ciénaga de Zapata National Park is located on the peninsula.

It is located south of Ensenada de la Broa,
east of the gulf of Batabano and
north of the Gulf of Cazones.

The Bay of Pigs defines its eastern limit.

To the north, it is lined by the
Carretera Central highway.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 07, 2008, 07:30:02 am
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Zapata Peninsula


 
 
Located on the South of the Matanzas Province, 
natural park

Peninsula de Zapata has been incorporated as a tourist destination.
This destination combines attractions for those who enjoy a real ecologic vacation,
including good beaches and scuba diving.

In this place, the biggest refugee of the Cuban fauna and biggest marsh in Cuba,
you can find mounts, swamps, abundant coast and swamp vegetation, two beaches,
lagoons, natural lakes, and caverns.



All the marvels of the Great Natural Park Peninsula de Zapata make it one of those places that
Nature created in Cuba to give it the distinct touch that allows it to be a favorite tourist desti-
nation in the Caribbean. Cuba is blue and green and its birds, fish and corals, and green and
palms and it's the reality for those who dream of idyllic places.

The Peninsula de Zapata is one of those places.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 07, 2008, 07:33:20 am
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(http://www.horizon-co.com/resource.aspx?id=4085)


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 07, 2008, 07:41:14 am








 
   
 
                   Comments on The National Geographic "Naked Science-Atlantis" documentary





by Dr. Greg Little

Several people have asked me to comment on the recent airing of a "Naked Science" episode on Atlantis shown by The National Geographic. The hour-long show focused on four locations: Malta, Bimini/Andros, Cuba, and Thera. They used six criteria for "pinpointing" Atlantis with these criteria supposedly derived from Plato. Among the criteria were:

1. It was a supposedly a circular island of 5-6 miles in diameter.

2. It had elephants.

3. It was destroyed suddenly (in one night).

4. It was destroyed circa 9000 BC.

5. It had black, white, and red rocks.

As was stated by a reasonable skeptic on the show, if you ignore the facts, one can make an argument that a rat is a cat. That's precisely what occurred. What has to be realized is that the entire show was produced and put together by a completely British crew under the direction of National Geographic's edicts. The edict was made by "a scientific community" who have long thought that Thera had to be the source of Plato's Atlantis and that Edgar Cayce was a fake. Part of the agenda was clearly to focus attention on the British "walk-around" at Malta and use the show as an opportunity for skeptics to try to discredit Cayce. We knew this when we agreed to participate and are not surprised at the result nor really disheartened. It was simply to be expected.

The most obvious descriptive criteria from Plato's story of Atlantis was never mentioned: Atlantis was an island empire in the Atlantic outside the Mediterranean. The reason this part of Plato's story was ignored by the show is simple: it would make Thera an impossible location for Atlantis and would make the British "researcher" look foolish at Malta. There are many other hints from Plato that were ignored, but it may be interesting to examine the few they did choose to list.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 07, 2008, 07:43:05 am








We spent three days with the British film crew in the Bahamas. During the many interviews, we stated the following:



a) The islands of Andros and Bimini were a single land mass in about 10,000 BC. We stated the belief that the Bimini Road and the Andros Platform were possibly harbors for small ports, basically way-stations between Cuba and other islands in the Atlantic. We carefully explained during the filmed interviews that the Center City of Atlantis, described by Plato as a circular formation of about 5-6 miles in diameter, was not what we had found at Andros nor was it at Bimini. In fact, Plato described the main island of Atlantis, with the Center City, as hundreds of miles in length (more precisely 550 km by 370 km). Of course, Plato's dimensions of the island of Atlantis were also ignored in the show. Again, the reason was simple: neither Malta nor Thera were large enough to meet that criteria given by Plato.

We stated that we believed the Center City was at Cuba, in the Zapata Peninsula. I gave them a stunning satellite photo of Zapata showing a circular island that is now underwater, lying about 50 feet under a muddy surface. The island is 6 miles in diameter and has several clearly defined bands encircling it. I also gave them archaeological information on a network of ancient canals that have been found leading into the circular area at Zapata leading from mountains in the north. All of this information was ignored.

We also supplied extensive underwater footage from Andros and took quite a bit while we were there. Some of the images are spectacular and leave little doubt that the formation is manmade. That particular trip to Andros found a set of what appears to be stone steps leading up to the top of the platform where a perfectly aligned row of flat stone blocks, all rectangular and of the same size, was on the summit. Less than 10 seconds of our footage was used, and none of the best was shown. In fact, it seemed that the worst footage was chosen for the show. The remainder of the footage shown was from Bimini, and it was all taken many years ago by a local diver--not us. I did refer them to this group to obtain the footage of Bimini. It is clear footage, but not the best from the Bimini Road. The show also showed several scenes with divers, but only 5-6 seconds of it was of us. I have no idea who was being shown as the narrator described our efforts.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 07, 2008, 07:44:16 am








Dr. Schoch's comments on the show were insightful if one carefully listened to them. He stated he had "never been" to either location. He stated he had dived at "similar places" and thought they were all natural. He stated he had read geologist's reports and agreed that they were natural. Yet, Schoch had not seen any of the footage from Andros nor Bimini, and, to our knowledge, the first time he saw any of the Andros footage was at the ARE's Annual Ancient Mysteries Conference held late last year---months after he was interviewed for the show. The location of the "similar places" Schoch stated he had dived was not given. Schoch, as well as other geologists, cite the work by other geologists on the Bimini Road. Interestingly, a little-known fact is that the first geologist to issue a debunking article on Bimini (published in Nature in 1971) has written several supportive books on Cayce. He continues to go to Bimini, searching for gold Cayce stated was there. This geologist also assists another "Atlantis-search" organization in their work around Bimini. This work is done under an alias.

b) We were never asked about elephants by the production crew nor did we know that was going to be one of the issues the show would have addressed. But the British and National Geographic obviously do not consider mastedons to be elephants and seem to imply that no elephants were ever in the Americas. But mastedons are scientifically defined as an extinct form of elephant. Numerous mastedon remains have been recovered in Cuba. They disappeared suddenly around 9000 BC. In the 1800s, mastedon teeth were unexpectedly recovered in the Bahamas, but virtually no excavation work has been done on Bahama islands. One must assume that what was asserted by the show is that Plato meant only modern elephants, not those that were around in 10,000 BC.

c & d) There is definitive proof that a major disaster struck the Bahamas area sometime around 9000-10,000 BC. This information was carefully explained to the show's producers during filmed interviews and the actual articles and references were given them. This evidence includes the FSU discovery of now-underwater forests that had been burned in a flash fire. It also includes extensive research by the US Geological survey from the Bahamas and Florida area showing that the entire region was hit by a massive blast of flash fires followed by an inundation around 10,000 BC. All of this information was simply ignored by the show.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 07, 2008, 07:46:10 am








One aspect of the "Thera-was-Atlantis" idea that has always bothered me, yet has never been addressed, was what Plato stated about the circular Center City of Atlantis. At the very center of the city, which was ringed by three canals, and on a basically flat plain, was a "high hill" with a flat top. It had two large temples erected on it, had several springs, and had trees. I've never understood how a volcano's cone, one that was more like a mountain, could possibly be construed as anything like Plato described. But when you are making an argument that "a rat is identical to a cat," you have to overlook most details.

e) The criteria of Atlantis having different color rocks wasn't explained at all to us during filming. But Cuba has black, white, and red rocks. Andros has black, white, and red rocks. The film crew actually filmed quite a few during our visit to Andros. This was all ignored also. Interestingly, when the documentary discussed Thera's "red rocks" what they showed was a white rock with a red stain measuring a few inches in size.

The mainstream scientific community, for whatever reasons, seeks to completely discredit Cayce, discredit those who disagree with the Atlantis-in-the-Mediterranean idea, and discredit those who suspect Plato's story might have been true. The National Geographic certainly supported the mainstream idea. In sum, if you ignore almost everything Plato stated, Thera fits Atlantis almost perfectly. If you ignore all the evidence from Bimini and Andros, show the worst footage you can get from the two locations, and ask a geologist who has never been to either place for an opinion, you can assert that both formations are natural. So, to those who have asked me about it, that's the shortest answer I can give. I'm neither surprised nor disappointed by what they did.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 07, 2008, 07:49:53 am








In truth, The National Geographic documentary isn't the first that trashed Cayce, nor will it be
the last.

For example, The History Channel's "Search for Atlantis" documentary, narrated by Ted Danson,
stated that Cayce first talked about Atlantis in the Bahamas while he was under the employ of
wealthy businessmen who wanted Cayce to tell them about gold or oil at Bimini. Since Cayce
couldn't actually do that because he'd be exposed as a fraud, he decided to divert their attent-
ion from oil and gold by telling them that Bimini had been Atlantis.

In the documentary, an elderly Cayce is depicted sitting in a chair, with eyes repeatedly opening
and closing, complete with a burning cigar and glass of whiskey. According to the narration, Cayce
told the businessmen that Atlantis would be found at Bimini in 1967 or 1968. The documentary ex-
plained the Bimini Road as made from ballast stones dumped by early European trading ships entering the Caribbean.

But these were no ordinary ballast stones.

The ballast stones were shown as beautifully carved marble lintels and statues from the Roman period. As the documentary explained, the ships used the stones as needed weight, so they gathered statues and other building materials from Roman and Greek architecture. When they got to the Caribbean, the statues and carved building materials were dumped.

Those who are familiar with Cayce and the Bimini Road should find all of this quite humorous.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 07, 2008, 07:51:07 am
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The underlying reality about television documentaries is that they aren't reality. They are made to entertain viewers. They are made to promote agendas and promote the ideas of the sponsoring agency. They are made by producers and filmcrews who know absolutely nothing about the subject matter and who usually don't care about the subject matter. They are deliberately put together in a way that promotes the sponsoring agency's ideas and casts doubt on those with opposing ideas. The narrator reads the script provided by the producer--after the sponsoring agency approves what the producer has put together.

None of this should be a surprise. But if it is, consider this: Definitive, irrefutable evidence has been discovered and confirmed by mainstream archaeologists showing that the Americas were settled well before 9500 BC. In fact, the evidence is overwhelming that people were here by 50,000-years-ago. But history textbooks in America's elementary schools, high schools, and colleges continue to assert that the ancient Americans first entered in 9500 BC from Siberia. Some texts acknowledge that "controversial" evidence has suggested that people were here before 9500 BC, but it is weak evidence that is yet to be proved. That, of course, is far from the truth, but those who control the textbooks won't acknowledge it. Why would anyone think that The National Geographic, or a British production company under their control, would do anything different?

For those who are interested, we have posted a 16-minute Quicktime movie showing underwater footage of The Bimini Road and Andros Platform. Watch the movie and compare the footage shown on the NatG show. Consider if these remarkable structures are "completely natural" or manmade. To watch the movie,


click here.

http://www.mysterious-america.net/natg'satlantisdo.html


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 07, 2008, 09:48:36 am
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ZAPATA SWAMP







                                            2004 Progress In The ARE's Search For Atlantis





by Dr. Greg Little

 ...............9. During our filmed interviews with Andrew Collins, he described the story of Votan, the Maya founder god in the Guatemalan highlands and Peten regions. Votan came from an island in the east (already clearly identified as Cuba) in ancient times bringing along written records. He arrived at the coast of Yucatan (possibly Cerritos) and then went north. At the first navigable river (the Usumacinta) he went upstream for a long distance. After reaching a suitable location, he stopped and constructed the first settlement. This location has generally been, according to Collins, assumed to be Palenque, but Palenque isn't accessible from the Usumacinta River. In brief, Collins asserts that Piedras Negras is a likely location for Votan's first settlement and he adds that Piedras Negras may well be an outpost of Atlantis.

In sum, we do believe that substantial progress has been made in 2004 and plan to continue and expand the search in 2005. There are several areas along the lower Gulf Stream we plan to carefully investigate as well as visiting other sites, which appear to be beachrock breakwater formations. Other expeditions to Andros are also planned. Finally, when and if Cuba becomes accessible, we will investigate the Zapata swamps.


http://www.mysterious-america.net/2004areatlantiss.html


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 07, 2008, 10:02:58 am






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http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0002-7316%28194607%2912%3A1%3C10%3APCOC%3E2.0.CO%3B2-4&size=LARGE&origin=JSTOR-enlargePage


http://books.google.com/books?id=dSws0CBOewwC&pg=PA235&lpg=PA235&dq=archaeology+zapata+cuba&source=web&ots=MksLlnALjs&sig=K34_VPJ3EZGpgq0WuddDgueozAk&hl=en#PPA238,M1


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 07, 2008, 10:10:59 am
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...........A very peculiar feature of Cuba is the abundance of caverns in the limestone deposits that
underlie much of the island's surface.

The caves of Cotilla near Havana, of Bellamar near Matanzas, of Monte Libano near Guantanamo,
and those of San Juan de los Remedios, are the best known, but there are scores of others.

Many streams are " disappearing," part of their course being through underground tunnels. Thus the
Rio San Antonio suddenly disappears near San Antonio de los Banos; the cascades of the Jatibonico
del Norte disappear and reappear in a surprising manner; the Moa cascade (near Guantanamo) drops
300 ft. into a cavern and its waters later reissue from the earth; the Jojo river disappears in a great
" sink " and later issues with violent current at the edge of the sea.

The springs of fresh water that bubble up among the keys of the S. coast are also supposedly the
outlets of underground streams.........


http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Cuba


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



It's very difficult to get information about Cuba, even if one goes to 'Google - Canada', so I was
very happy to run ito a blogger with a lot of pictures.

I hope they come through!

Bianca


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 07, 2008, 11:20:53 am







                               CAVES OF BELLAMAR GEMS OF THE MATANZA REGION





(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/102/293993609_d7ec7da98d.jpg?v=0)


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 07, 2008, 11:26:49 am
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Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on March 07, 2008, 11:28:06 am
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Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Mark of Australia on March 13, 2008, 01:06:13 pm
Bianca !

More brilliant research!  I especially liked in Reply #8 that info from Plutarch ,I had not heard of that particular quote before.

Maybe one day I will get to follow it up , just too damn busy these days  ::)

...Good to see the forum in great shape everyone.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Jennifer O'Dell on March 28, 2008, 03:45:42 am
It's really a shame that they never did any follow-up work off of Cuba. I have been hearing stories for years about how their is a sunken city around there, or ruins off the eastern coast, but they never seem to follow-up.

Oh, well, maybe a lot of those stories were spread by Castro's people to get more tourism.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on April 23, 2008, 08:02:00 pm









.......What quickly became clear from my own investigations into Plato's Atlantis is that the Greek philosopher
had created in his writings a flawed utopian realm based on the decline of Athens' during his own age. The city
of Atlantis was unquestionably a composite view of ancient city-ports such as Carthage in North Africa, seen
here, Syracuse in Sicily, Ecbatana in Media and probably even Athens itself.

As regards his Atlantic Island, Plato placed this, like other mythical islands of the Greek Hellenic world, in the Far West - the direction of the setting sun. It was in fact a variation of the concept of the Hesperides, the islands thought which were thought to lie beyond the Western Ocean, as is inferred by their name Hesperides, which derives from the Greek hesper, or vesper, meaning setting sun. It was the hero-god Atlas who was said to have presided over the lands in the extreme west, i.e. North West Africa, as well as the seas beyond here, in other words the Western Ocean.

Like Atlantis, the Hesperides were rumoured to exist beyond the Pillars of Hercules. For instance, Statius Sebosus, the Roman geographer of c. 100 BC, recorded that it took 40 days to sail between the Isles of Gorgades, or Gorgons, and the Hesperides. Since there is clear geographical evidence that the Gorgades were the Cape Verde islands, which lie off the west coast of Africa, then the Hesperides were even further west - in the direction of the setting sun. Yet if we consult a map we can see that the only island group which lies west of the Cape Verdes is the Caribbean. Confirmation that the Hesperides were the Caribbean islands of Cuba, Hispaniola and Puerto Rica is the knowledge that it took Christopher Columbus just 33 days to sail between the Cape Verdes and the Caribbean on his Third Voyage in 1498, just seven days short of Statius Sebosus's estimate.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on April 23, 2008, 08:04:01 pm








From my own research into the primary sources behind the Atlantis account it became clear that Plato too became aware of the existence of the Bahamas and Caribbean, most likely through stories and rumours reaching the Mediterranean world in which he moved. In my opinion it was from this sailor's lore that he derived the idea of Atlantean kings ruling over a series of Atlantic islands focused around a central metropolis. For me, all the indications are that the description Plato gives of his Atlantean island matches very well the topography of Cuba, the largest and most fertile of the Caribbean islands.

I also concluded that Plato's claim that Atlantis' destruction in one single night and day through earthquakes and floods was based on catastrophe legends told to Phoenician and Carthaginian mariners by the indigenous peoples of the Bahamas and Caribbean. They were retold to the first Spanish explorers to reach the islands, and speak of a catastrophic event involving a period of darkness, as well as an all-encompassing flood which engulfed a former great landmass, leaving behind the thousands of islands and cays which today make up these same archipelagos. In my opinion, these stories relate to a cosmic event which occurred at the end of the last ice age and involved the creation of 500,000 elliptical craters in the eastern states of the United States. These are the so-called Carolina Bays, which are found across six states and range in size from a few hundred metres to 11 kilometres in length. The latest theories regarding their formation feature the fragmentation of a comet into literally millions of pieces which impacted a wide area, including a large part of the Atlantic Ocean off the United States, sometime between 8500 and 9000 BC. Such an event would have caused super-tsunami waves that would have engulfed the low-lying regions of the Bahamas and Caribbean killing everything in their path.

Moreover, according to Italian academic Emilio Spedicato of Bergamo University, who is with us here today, this impact event on the western Atlantic seaboard most probably catalysed the retreat of the ice sheets which had covered North America and Europe for anything up to 40,000 years. With the disappearance of the ice, the rising meltwater would have drowned the same low lying regions, now on a more permanent basis.

This was the memory preserved by the indigenous peoples of the Bahamas and Caribbean and retold to ancient mariners prior to Plato's age.


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba
Post by: Bianca on April 23, 2008, 08:06:10 pm






No other theory fitted all the evidence. Yet the response to the publication of my book GATEWAY TO ATLANTIS was a complete eye opener, for it seemed that even after presenting this evidence for the first time a large percentage of the readers refused to even consider this solution.

Since there was such a great desire to believe in Atlantis as a super continent that produced a mother civilisation of immense sophistication there was great opposition to my views. This is despite the fact that the Caribbean had been proposed as the site of Atlantis as early as 1796 by the Guatemalan scholar Dr Felix Cabrera, and had been popular though out the nineteenth century.

Indeed, it was the most popular location of Atlantis through until the publication in 1882 of American congressman Ignatius Donnelly's classic work ATLANTIS: THE ANTEDILUVIAN WORLD, which first popularised the idea that Atlantis covered a larger part of the North Atlantic Ocean and was destroyed utterly by earthquakes and floods in 9500 BC, a view unsubstantiated in either archaeology or marine geology.

It was against a backdrop of such ideas that Edgar Cayce, with the help of Russian born occultist Helena Petrova Blavatsky, French phililogist the Abbe Brasseur de Bourbourg and the Scottish mythologist Lewis Spence, conceived of an Atlantis that stretched from the Bahamas to the African coast, a sheer impossibilty in geological terms.

Yet the Atlantis of individuals such as Madame Blavatksy, Brasseur de Bourbourg, Spence, Cayce and others of the late-nineteenth, early twentieth century was never based on a literal translation of Plato's Atlantis account. Indeed, it has very little factual reality whatsoever, having been born out of both Platonic misconceptions and fanciful elaborations, such as the view that Atlantis achieved advanced technology which included death rays and the creation of animal-human hybrids. Such fantasies originate in the deep dark recesses of the modern mind, and not those of Plato or any other writer of antiquity.


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Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba - Finally, Some Answers!! - UPDATE
Post by: Bianca on July 21, 2009, 05:07:56 pm








FINALLY, I FOUND SOME ANSWERS TO WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS DISCOVERY:



Like many of you, I have often asked what happened?  Nobody seems to know.

Well, I blame myself for not reading Andrew Collins' blog more often.  Here is what I found in his
September 2008 Newsletter:








                                                Was Cuba Atlantis's flagship?






NEWSLETTER FROM ANDREW COLLINS
Vol. 11, NO. 4
Sept., 2008

I regularly receive emails asking what happened regarding the apparent discovery by a Canadian salvage company of alleged archaeological structures in the deep sea off the west coast of Cuba back in 2001. There was a lot of publicity concerning these finds at the time, then the whole thing simply went dead.

Back then I had just written a book entitled GATEWAY TO ATLANTIS (2000), which proposes that Cuba was the flagship of Plato's Atlantis (see more by clicking here). I also predicted that important underwater remains awaited discovery off the island's west coast. Now those discoveries had seemingly been made, so I was patted on the back by my contemporaries. I wrote articles on the subject, appeared on various radio stations, and was even invited to lecture at the last ever conference organised by the late Thor Hyerdahl in the Canary Islands, which took place in June 2001 (Regrettably,
I was unable to attend as I was already lecturing in Vienna that same weekend).

I was as excited as everyone about what had been found off Cuba by Russian-born salver Paulina Zelitsky and her Canadian partner Paul Weinsweig, who traded under the name ADC Communcations. I was involved in the whole affair from the offset, interviewing Weinzweig at length on the telephone, and speaking to them both on a regular basis. I was also involved in setting up a publishing deal for exclusive world rights on the story with publishers Randon House. So here is one email I received recently asking what went on, and whether or not there was a conspiracy to hush the matter up:

"We're trying to find out why there is no more news on the sunken ruins found near Western Cuba since 2004. No one has proven that the stones are either natural or man made. We're beginning to believe there is a conspiracy to make this find go away.

"I remember a while back you posted a comment on your website in which you said you witnessed actual data from Paulina Zelitsky from ADC. You said you had to be careful about what you said and not to disclose anything they said was forbidden. Did you see anything suspicious that would warrant a conspiracy? Is there anything that you can say that won't break your promise? Can you contact Paulina Zelitsky to confirm why the public has not heard from them?"

And my reply: "There is no conspiracy, simply human necessities. Paulina Zelitsky and Paul Weinzweig held out as long as possible for the best possible deal on world rights to release pictures and video footage of what had been found. I know, I was involved with the deal from Random House, and was to have ghost written the accompanying book, which would have been accredited to them (I was chosen since the agent working on the project was working with me also, and I had just released GATEWAY TO ATLANTIS, which pinpointed Cuba as the site of the main island of Atlantis).

"The money on offer was seven figures in pounds sterling (based on a sliding scale of what had been discovered), but Paulina Zelitsky and Paul Weinzweig refused the offer, wanting even more to fund their future expeditions. They hoped that NatGeo would top the offer. However, when finally the pair released video footage of what they had found it was deemed both of poor quality and not what was hoped, and since Zelitsky and Weinzweig had run out of money, a stalemate ensued. No further footage could be got, so the Random House offer (which they could have taken) was withdrawn. I have no idea what offer NatGeo made, but I suspect it was afterwards withdrawn also.

"Zelitsky and Weinzweig had to go back to what they know best - treasure hunting and vessel salvage, and no one has heard from them since. They have simply vanished off the map. Story ends.

"This said, I firmly believe that prehistoric archaeology does await discovery off Cuba, and hopefully within the next year I will take part in a major expedition to identify suspected structures off both the north and south coasts of the island.

"Cuba is by far the best candidate for Atlantis's flag ship, and one day hopefully we will be in a position to prove that."

"What exactly Zelitsky and Weinzweig discovered remains a mystery. Whether artificial structures, ballast from Russian submarines or natural features, we might never know. All theories are possible."


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba - Finally, Some Answers!! - UPDATE
Post by: Byron on July 21, 2009, 10:16:41 pm
Or  it could just be dumped concrete from when the Cubans were dismantling their missiles after the Cuban Missile Crisis!   :)


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba - Finally, Some Answers!! - UPDATE
Post by: Bob137 on July 17, 2011, 06:47:47 pm
Bianca, thank you for all this information, I too have been looking for more information on the Cuba findings, and have found none for years. What little I did find years ago, was pictures of poor quality, but I have checked google earth, and I too found structures not only around the southern part off the coast of Cuba, but also around the Carribean islands. So it seems as though there is a lot more to be discovered in these areas. Again, Thanks for all the info!


Title: Re: The Search For Atlantis in Cuba - Finally, Some Answers!! - UPDATE
Post by: In the Mouth of Madness on July 17, 2011, 07:40:33 pm
This thread here has more information on the underwater city found in the Caribbean, with the best pictures I've seen of it:

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,23057.0.html