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Title: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: Calvin Noble on February 18, 2008, 08:54:16 pm
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URANTIA

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Your world, Urantia, [Earth] is one of many similar inhabited planets which comprise the local universe of Nebadon.  This universe, together with similar creations, makes up the superuniverse of Orvonton, from whose capital, Uversa, our commission hails.  Divine Counselor
The URANTIA Book, Page 1
 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.  Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.  God the Holy Spirit via the Apostle Paul
2 TIMOTHY 4:3,4
 

Introduction
The Urantia Book, Urantia Foundation, Urantia Fellowship, and the Urantia three concentric circle symbol above (Banner of Michael) represent a modern-day Arian/Gnostic cult.  Urantia followers reject the tenets of orthodox Christianity (particularly canonicity) and thus cannot be considered "Christian" by any traditional definition.

Arian - Arianism was a movement in the early church that believed God the Father alone was God, and that Jesus was a created being - i.e., not the eternal Son of God.  The teaching was attributed to Arius of Alexandria.  It was declared heretical at the Council of Nicea in A.D. 325, and again at the Council of Constantinople in A.D. 381.

Gnostic - The English word "Gnostic" comes from the Greek word gnosis, which means "knowledge".  Gnosticism is an ancient religion which, while altering its appearance down through history, always claims access to special or secret knowledge based on extra-biblical revelations.  The Urantia Book is the extra-biblical "fifth epochal revelation," supposedly picking up where the Bible leaves off.  Rightly considered a dangerous heresy, several New Testament epistles (Colossians and 1, 2, & 3 John) contain warnings against Gnosticism. 

The Urantia Book (a.k.a. "The Urantia Papers", "God's Bible", the "Revelation"), consisting of 2,097 six by eleven inch pages, was complied in 1934-35 and first copyrighted in 1955.  It is a collection of 196 apocryphal "papers" (i.e. so-called revelations) said to be communicated by various "authors"--i.e. spirit beings who names are listed in the papers.  The book's theme consists of highly detailed, mythology-like descriptions of (our) universe, surrounding universes, numerous extraterrestrial spirit beings which are said to inhabit these universes, the spiritual evolutionary history of planet earth (Urantia), and the life and teaching of a "Jesus", also called "Christ Michael", a "Creator Son".  The Urantia Foundation has provided multiple copies of the cultic Urantia Book to libraries across the United States and world.

The group began in Chicago during the early 1930's among high-ranking members of the heretical Seventh Day Adventist1 sect.  The cult gained increasing popularity during the hallucinogenic 1960s, as the interrelationships between mind-altering drugs, the occult, metaphysics, and the New Age movement were being forged.  Urantia is one of several esoteric New Age religious efforts to create spirituality within the context of the philosophic naturalism and modernism that pervades Western culture.2

Failing to understand the biblical concepts of canonical revelation and dispensation divisions, Urantia substitutes and applies the naturalistic concept of evolution to the realm of spirituality and religion.  Judaism is not seen as God's special theonomic order among an elect, earthly people during ancient times, but rather a form of primitive religious consciousness.  Later, Christianity evolves beyond Judaism in much the same way that Darwinist theory sees humans evolving from apes.  Thus, the Urantia and its followers promotes itself as the most "evolved" form of religious consciousness, which to them is still in progress.  Accordingly, biblical Christians are often contemptuously viewed as unenlightened Neanderthals.

As part of the larger "Urantia Brotherhood", small groups of followers...Societies... engage in stealth-like activities "to study the book and ... pledge themselves to disseminate its teachings."  Urantia evangelist George Zuberbuehler wrote:

Over twenty years ago I got down on my knees and asked God what his will was for my life. The immediate and clear thought response was totally unexpected: "Build a bridge between the Bible and The Urantia Book." As part of my ongoing effort to comply with this directive, I am currently attending a weekly Bible study conducted by an ordained minister, who is also a strict Bible fundamentalist. While I have learned to not mention the existence of the UB, my tactful contributions, which are based on it, are well received. When I occasionally step over the line, as in mentioning my refusal to believe in a God who eternally tortures unbelievers, I am rewarded by being shown the exact place in the Bible where the relevant passages exist. In this way I am learning what I need to learn to help me fulfill my appointed task.

Mr. Zuberbuehler's work extends to the Koran, Hadith, and Islam as well.

Here is a selection of some of the Islamic sayings that may help to cast this religion in a more benevolent and hope-filled light. I felt they contained much in common with the higher truth and love contained in The Urantia Book, and could one day serve somehow as a bridge to our revelation.  [Underline emphasis mine.]

These groups (societies) are found throughout the United States with large concentrations in AZ, CA, CO, FL, IL, OR, TX, and WA.  Larger memberships can typically be found in cities and towns which draw above-average numbers of New Age followers, e.g., San Francisco, CA; Boulder, CO; Sedona, AZ, etc.



Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: Calvin Noble on February 18, 2008, 08:54:48 pm
Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired* Cult??

The Urantia can be classified as a cult largely due to their ex-biblical revelation and the fact that according to their teachings, the Lord Jesus Christ is considered a created spirit being, rather than the preexistent, second person of the Trinity, God the Son.  The New Testament is full of warning concerning those who deny that Jesus Christ was God manifest in the flesh (e.g. 1 John 2:18-27, 2 John 7-11).

Like other cults, they engage in various semantic games in an effort to cloak and hide this fact.  Their position is similar to the beliefs of Mormonism, Jehovah Witnesses, Christian Scientists, New Agers and others.  The following direct quotes from the Urantia Book substantiate the fact:

The Eternal Son is the Original and only-begotten Son of God.  He is God the Son, the Second Person of Deity and the associate creator of all things. p. 73.

As they function in the superuniverse of Orvonton, the Sons of God are classified under three general heads: 1) the descending Sons of God; 2) the ascending Sons of God; and the trinitized Sons of God. p. 223.

All descending Sons of God have high and divine origins. p. 223.

Of the numerous orders of descending Sons, seven will be depicted in these narratives. Those Sons who come forth from the Deities on the central Isle of Light and Life are called the Paradise Sons of God and embrace the following three orders: 1) Creator Sons--the Michaels; 2) Magisterial Sons--the Avonals; and 3) Trinity Teacher Sons--the Daynals. p. 223.

When a Son of the Eternal Son appeared on Urantia, those who fraternized with this divine being in human form alluded to him as "He who was from the beginning, whom we have heard, whom we have seen with our eyes, whom we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, even the Word of life." p.74. (The quote is from 1 John 1:1).

On your world, but not in your system of inhabited spheres, this Original Son has been confused with a co-ordinate Creator Son, Michael of Nebadon (Jesus of Nazareth), who bestowed himself upon the mortal races of Urantia. p. 74.

And from this prebestowal charge of Immanuel to the universe ruler who subsequently became Jesus of Nazareth (Christ Michael) on Urantia... p. 1325. (emphasis in bold mine).

Thus, for the Urantia cultist who sees 'descending orders of spirit beings', the Lord Jesus Christ is lower down this chain of created beings.   Similar to the teachings of the Cambridge, Massachusetts based Scientology sub-cult "The Process" or the "Church of the Final Judgment," the Urantia Book views Satan and Jesus Christ as feuding angelic brothers.  This can be documented in Paper #53 entitled, The Lucifer Rebellion.

* - "For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.  And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light."  2 Corinthians 11:13,14.



Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: Calvin Noble on February 18, 2008, 08:55:21 pm
Who Wrote the URANTIA Book?

The Urantia Book's clear mark of "demonic" authorship is its total lack of understanding regarding the Christian doctrine of sin or salvation.  Judaism and Christianity are continuously portrayed as "primitive" religions practiced by "primitive men."  The biblical concept of progressive revelation is exchanged for an evolutionary theory which is used to explain most religious differences.  Of course, the Urantia religionists considers themselves at the top of this spiritual evolutionary chain.  While the book quotes and paraphrases several portions of the Bible, distortions of key biblical truths are found throughout.  For example, Paper #89, Sin, Sacrifice, and Atonement states:

As the savage mind evolved to that point where it envisaged both good and bad spirits, and when the taboo received the solemn sanction of evolving religion, the stage was all set for the appearance of the new conception of sin.   p. 975

The concepts of substitutionary atonement and propitiation with blood are viewed by the Urantia as grotesque and grossly primitive.

Primitive man believed that something special must be done to win the favor of the gods; only advanced civilization recognizes a consistently even-tempered and benevolent God.  p.974

Similar to other cults who deny the inherited consequences upon humanity of Adam and Eve's transgression, the gospel according to the Urantia speaks of:

the Fatherhood of God and the universal brotherhood of all men.  p. 1085

and

God...who dwells, by his spirit, in every sincere human soul.  p. 1453.

There are conflicting stories ["various histories"] regarding the origin of the Urantia Papers.  According to long-time faithful, Ernest Moyer (author of a book on the group's beginnings entitled THE BIRTH OF A DIVINE REVELATION--The Mechanical Origin of the Urantia Papers), information similar to that found in the Urantia Book was communicated by various "spirit beings" using a male individual ("contact person") while that person slept (a.k.a. Sleeping Subject "SS").  This communication was but a preparatory exercise.  Beginning 1905-11 and over a 20+ year period, divine "revelations" were hand-recorded by a Dr. William S. Sadler, a noted Chicago physician and psychiatrist.  Dr. Sadler had extensive and close ties to the heretical Seventh Day Adventist sect/cult.  Sadler is said to have engaged in conversations with "spirit visitors" as the SS functioned as an automatistic portal to a spiritual dimension.  In Sadler's own words, SS was "sort of a clearing house for the coming and going of alleged extra-planetary personalities" i.e. angelic [demonic] beings.  However, Sadler would later deny that these conversations were the source for what would later become the Papers.  Moyer elaborately documents Sadler's ultimate claim--that the "final Papers appeared miraculously...out of thin air."  "The actual Revelation by invisible divine agents was accomplished by placing the writing miraculously on paper in groups, or sets.  The form was in handwriting which was then physically transcribed by Emma Christensen (Christy), a trained secretary and member of Sadler's family, into typewritten form.  After proof reading for accuracy the original papers disappeared equally miraculously."  See General Statement and A [not so] Brief Account.  In another account, SS, in response to numerous written questions, is said to have delivered the Papers to Dr. Sadler.  See THE URANTIA BOOK: A Brief Description and Its Secret Author Discovered, by Eric Pement, 1992.

Due to the extraordinary volume of detailed and complex information, it is difficult to conclude that the Urantia Book was the product of one or more inflated imaginations.  While that is not out of the realm of possibility, a more plausible explanation is some form of genuine demonic influence.  Similar to the claim for the Book of Mormon, divine revelation did not cease with the 66 canonical books of the Old and New Testaments.  However, the Mormon product pales by comparison to the encyclopedic detail and complexity of the Urantia Book.  The fact that the Urantia Book agrees with the Bible in certain areas confirms the fact that the author (human or demonic) had some level of understanding regarding spiritual themes.  Further, while select statements found in the Urantia Book are not necessarily contradictory to the Bible, a number of critical topics are diametrically in disagreement with sound, orthodox Christian teaching.



Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: Calvin Noble on February 18, 2008, 08:55:59 pm
Extra-Biblical Revelation
The following appears in the Urantia Book's Forward:


We may resort to pure revelation only when the concept of presentation has had no adequate previous expression by the human mind.  p.16

...in making these presentations about God and his universe associates, we have selected as the basis of these papers more than one thousand human concepts representing the highest and most advanced planetary knowledge of spiritual values and universal meanings. Wherein these human concepts, assembled from the God-knowing mortals of the past and the present, are inadequate to portray the truth as we are directed to reveal it, we will unhesitatingly supplement them, for this purpose drawing upon our own superior knowledge of the reality and divinity of the Paradise Deities and their transcendent residential universe.  p. 17

The Holy Spirit, via the Apostle Paul, instructs believers that spirit beings were capable of communicating with human beings and warned the Christians living in the providence of Galatia to beware of such apocryphal messages. Christian, never forget this spiritual admonition:

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned [anathema]!" Galatians 1:8.

Growing Christians, who have studied and become clear on the divine origin and nature of the Bible, are generally not vulnerable to the extra-revelatory claims of Pentecostals, charismatics, or various cults.  They rest in the fact that the Bible is God's exclusive channel of written communication to man.  Sadly from time to time, we receive email from vulnerable Pentecostals, charismatics, and liberals who have fallen prey to the Urantia cult and are attempting to rationalize their involvement.

For a more in-depth (albeit tedious) look at Gnosticism, "New Age Christianity" and the coming One World Church, see THE NEW WORLD RELIGION, Gary H. Kah, Hope International Publishing, Inc., 1998.

Numerous study guides and books, available through Christian bookstores, are designed to develop your knowledge of the Bible in this important area.  For example:

THY WORD IN TRUTH, Edward J. Young, Eerdmans Publishing.

FROM GOD TO US, How we got our Bible, Geisler & Nix, Moody Press.

This article is primarily written to warn and protect new-creation Christians.  We can only hope God will grant mercy and rescue some of whom it is said--"the god of this age has blinded the minds" 2 Corinthians 4:4.  Urantia is a blinding light!

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(1)  Seventh Day Adventism (SDA) is commonly, but erroneously, considered "just another fundamentalist Christian sect."  Since its inception, Adventists have worked hard to gain acceptance as fellow "Christians", similar to the efforts of The Church of the Latter Day Saints--Mormons.  One of the best and most comprehensive treatments of the SDA error is Another Look at Seventh-Day Adventism, Norman F. Douty, 1962, Baker Book House.

(2)  For a detailed discussion, see THE UNIVERSE NEXT DOOR, A Basic Worldview Catalog by James Sire and any of the writings, such as Reason in the Balance, by author and law professor Phillip E. Johnson.


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We regularly receive email from Urantia cultists (most hostile and many unprintable) challenging our conservative Christian views.  For the most part, we only respond to those who appear to ask genuine questions.  To the disingenuous, we apply Titus 3:10, "Warn a divisive [Greek: hairetokos - heretic] person once, and then warn him a second time.  After that, have nothing to do with him."

Permission is granted to photocopy and distribute this article to your Christian friends and relatives who may have questions concerning the beliefs of the Urantia cult.

Dan R. Smedra


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Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: Calvin Noble on February 18, 2008, 08:57:13 pm
For additional information regarding URANTIA, see:

THE URANTIA BOOK - Watchman Fellowship Profile, Jason Barker
Online copy of the the book
THE URANTIA BOOK -- Overview, History, Teachings, and References
URANTIA - entry from the Skeptic's Dictionary
The Moyer Papers - details regarding the origins of the so-called revelations
THE URANTIA BOOK -- home page for The Urantia Book Fellowship
Friends of the The Urantia Revelation Website - containing insights into the internal power struggles within the cult
For further reading on the subject of Gnosticism, see:

THE GNOSTIC EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
THE NEW GNOSTICS - Resurrecting Pagan Rites

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Some Email
Dan

I've read the Urantia Book from front to back and I find your understanding of it out of touch.  I will tell you that I was not as assured about the fact of God or faith until I had read this [Urantia] book.  Now I am committed to the truth (Scripture) no matter were it is found for I know He is there for all His children and He protects us all from false prophets.

 
Some literature I have found His truth in: The Koran, Bibles (many versions), A Course In Miracles, Edgar Casey, many philosophers, computer chats of individuals finding Him in their personal lives just to name a few.  He is there in my heart.  I have to look hard to see Him in your teachings, but I know he is there as well.
 
God Bless.
 
Bud H
Soldotna, Alaska
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The above email demonstrates the crisis of the age and the pure subjectivism of Gnostic heresy.


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Hi Dan,

Have you read the Urantia book from front to back?  I'm currently on my second go around. I've never felt closer to God than I do now.  Is it possible for something that brings me to God to be a trick.  If I am not reading the truth how is it that I feel such love for God?  I am sincere in my questions.  I hope you can help me with your response.

Thank you,

Michael


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Again, note the subjective emphasis upon "feelings".  "I know it truth because it feels so right!"


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Dear Michael:

 
Please turn in a Bible and read the third chapter of Genesis, particularly verse 6.
"When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it."

Succumbing to the Satanic lie and illusion of autonomous knowledge and so-called free will, Eve chose to ignore God's words of warning and enshrined her own rationality and sensory experience as authoritativeóbecoming the Grand Madam of Rationalism and Empiricism.  Adam followed his wife's disobedience and thereby plunged humanity into both spiritual and physical death, and the universe into corruption and decay.  The philosophies of rationalism and empiricism assert that all knowledge is respectively derived from reason or sensory experience, or some blend of the two.

"But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning [Genesis 3:6 tells us that the first sin, the Fall of mankind, provided pleasurable feelings or sense perceptions.] your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ."  2 Cor. 11:3
 
"For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.  And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.  It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness."  2 Cor. 11:13-15.
Your current assurance that the Urantia is of God is anchored in how you "feel".  This is a totally inadequate foundation for truth and an inadequate defense against deception.  As your feelings and emotions shift--and they most certainly will; so will your confidence.
 
By His sovereign love, grace, and mercy,
Dan

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Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: sevens on February 19, 2008, 12:22:01 am
Yes Calvin, I laugh at you!

I knew this would be case with your paranoid feelings, your just a walking hypocrisy.

Leaving all your crap behind. 

How about we do this.

What about we put all the information on the table and we go to the Persian Gulf and verify Dalamatia City and lift up the Seven commands and then we will see who is right.

In front of the whole world and the world can be our witness.

Hey Buddy why dont we do that lets prove it once and for all.

We will put your crap on the table and my research and verify the City of Dalamatia itself.

And let the world see everything in how miserable your words are.

Hey lets see if your information is worthy the evidence which I know it will fail.

Let the contention prove itself.

Lets prove it buddy right hear and right now.

You and me

he is an image you false person.

(http://www.sevenfoldbooks.com/dalamatia1_thumb.jpg)

and here is the evidence in the images of the submergence

(http://www.sevenfoldbooks.com/rising/dalamatiaSubmergence_thumb.jpg)

(http://www.sevenfoldbooks.com/rising/dalamatiaSubmergence1_thumb.jpg)

You, yourself are the agent for the Last rebel buddy you have played in his hands in your narrow mindedness  and fear driven spiritual thoughts.

Your thoughts on the larger scale is responsible for so many deaths over religion its unbelievable.

Lets get down to it buddy, the demonstration is louder than your absolute crap.

continuing on with the proposal of religion to 1stEden.

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,7221.msg65927.html#msg65927 (http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,7221.msg65927.html#msg65927)

Sevens







Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: sevens on February 20, 2008, 05:25:37 am
An apology from me

Sevens

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,7220.msg66071.html#msg66071


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: sevens on February 23, 2008, 01:59:32 am
I found this excerpt completely relevant to the theme of this thread and is no different to what we have today

Believe me, even if it demonstrated!  It is no different to in Jesus' time the pride and prejudice we see today and as demonstrated.

The Ub link (http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/lo)

Quote
When the people marveled, one of the Pharisees stood up and charged that Jesus could do these things because he was in league with devils; that he admitted in the language which he employed in casting out this devil that they were known to each other; and he went on to state that the religious teachers and leaders at Jerusalem had decided that Jesus did all his so-called miracles by the power of Beelzebub, the prince of devils. Said the Pharisee: "Have nothing to do with this man; he is in partnership with Satan."

Then said Jesus: "How can Satan cast out Satan? A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand; if a house be divided against itself, it is soon brought to desolation. Can a city withstand a siege if it is not united? If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then shall his kingdom stand? But you should know that no one can enter into the house of a strong man and despoil his goods except he first overpower and bind that strong man. And so, if I by the power of Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore shall they be your judges. But if I, by the spirit of God, cast out devils, then has the kingdom of God truly come upon you. If you were not blinded by prejudice and misled by fear and pride, you would easily perceive that one who is greater than devils stands in your midst. You compel me to declare that he who is not with me is against me, while he who gathers not with me scatters abroad. Let me utter a solemn warning to you who would presume, with your eyes open and with premeditated malice, knowingly to ascribe the works of God to the doings of devils! Verily, verily, I say to you, all your sins shall be forgiven, even all of your blasphemies, but whosoever shall blaspheme against God with deliberation and wicked intention shall never obtain forgiveness. Since such persistent workers of iniquity will never seek nor receive forgiveness, they are guilty of the sin of eternally rejecting divine forgiveness.

From Jesus himself

and here is an interesting fragment which depicts the times of those day in peoples beliefs

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6. THE HEBREW RELIGION

          By the close of the first century before Christ the religious thought of Jerusalem had been tremendously influenced and somewhat modified by Greek cultural teachings and even by Greek philosophy. In the long contest between the views of the Eastern and Western schools of Hebrew thought, Jerusalem and the rest of the Occident and the Levant in general adopted the Western Jewish or modified Hellenistic viewpoint.

          In the days of Jesus three languages prevailed in Palestine: The common people spoke some dialect of Aramaic; the priests and rabbis spoke Hebrew; the educated classes and the better strata of Jews in general spoke Greek. The early translation of the Hebrew scriptures into Greek at Alexandria was responsible in no small measure for the subsequent predominance of the Greek wing of Jewish culture and theology. And the writings of the Christian teachers were soon to appear in the same language. The renaissance of Judaism dates from the Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures. This was a vital influence which later determined the drift of Paul's Christian cult toward the West instead of toward the East.

Though the Hellenized Jewish beliefs were very little influenced by the teachings of the Epicureans, they were very materially affected by the philosophy of Plato and the self-abnegation doctrines of the Stoics. The great inroad of Stoicism is exemplified by the Fourth Book of the Maccabees; the penetration of both Platonic philosophy and Stoic doctrines is exhibited in the Wisdom of Solomon. The Hellenized Jews brought to the Hebrew scriptures such an allegorical interpretation that they found no difficulty in conforming Hebrew theology with their revered Aristotelian philosophy. But this all led to disastrous confusion until these problems were taken in hand by Philo of Alexandria, who proceeded to harmonize and systemize Greek philosophy and Hebrew theology into a compact and fairly consistent system of religious belief and practice. And it was this later teaching of combined Greek philosophy and Hebrew theology that prevailed in Palestine when Jesus lived and taught, and which Paul utilized as the foundation on which to build his more advanced and enlightening cult of Christianity.

          Philo was a great teacher; not since Moses had there lived a man who exerted such a profound influence on the ethical and religious thought of the Occidental world. In the matter of the combination of the better elements in contemporaneous

The ubLink (http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper121.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper121.html&line=129#mfs) 

Maybe we can understand the roots of Christianity a little better in this time by researching the origins and the times of those days.

and this piece about Paul's Cult of Christianity

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Paul's cult of Christianity exhibited its morality as a Jewish birthmark. The Jews viewed history as the providence of God--Yahweh at work. The Greeks brought to the new teaching clearer concepts of the eternal life. Paul's doctrines were influenced in theology and philosophy not only by Jesus' teachings but also by Plato and Philo. In ethics he was inspired not only by Christ but also by the Stoics.

          The gospel of Jesus, as it was embodied in Paul's cult of Antioch Christianity, became blended with the following teachings:

          1. The philosophic reasoning of the Greek proselytes to Judaism, including some of their concepts of the eternal life.

          2. The appealing teachings of the prevailing mystery cults, especially the Mithraic doctrines of redemption, atonement, and salvation by the sacrifice made by some god.

          3. The sturdy morality of the established Jewish religion.

Page 1341           The Mediterranean Roman Empire, the Parthian kingdom, and the adjacent peoples of Jesus' time all held crude and primitive ideas regarding the geography of the world, astronomy, health, and disease; and naturally they were amazed by the new and startling pronouncements of the carpenter of Nazareth. The ideas of spirit possession, good and bad, applied not merely to human beings, but every rock and tree was viewed by many as being spirit possessed. This was an enchanted age, and everybody believed in miracles as commonplace occurrences.

The Ub link (http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper121.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper121.html&line=154#mfs)

No different than today as demonstrated by the Christian Cult of today!

I figure no one is going to accept this so in light of this. Lets go out there to the Persian Gulf and and verify the cities and lift up the Seven commands and that will be the proof of all things spoken about. Its Christianity's responsibility to search and seek out the truth of everything but pride and prejudice will prevent this for the saving of their doctrine.

No different to in Jesus' time and what does Jesus say about deliberately preventing the work of The Kingdom of Heaven?

I have nothing to loose except a number of years of work and my life on this rock, thats if they get some of their goons on to me physically and take my life...big deal!.  I have a great future to look forward to, but Christianity has all to loose if they do not investigate all truth of the matter.

Sevens


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: sevens on February 26, 2008, 06:06:53 pm
I just want to add that 6 out the 7 seventh churches in revelation receive a very large rebuke in the final times.

Which churches are they?

To me that speaks of the nearly the whole body of Jesus for failing to recognize and act when the signs clearly show themselves.  It is obvious that the Churches become slothfull and do nothing in their fear, pride and prejudice!! even after being warned!

Christianity and its leaders are not out of the woods by any stretch of the imagination no matter what they think about themselves.

There is only one church that receives blessings and that is the church of Philadelphia 1 out of 7 and they are the true followers and doers of the teachings of teachers and makes up the smallest contingent!

1 out 7 is not good odds at all and therefore I would listen and act rather than spurn and reject this journey to the beginning where the end shall take place and that may possibly be this journey to the Heritage of the Ages.

One manifestation of the rebuke could be those left behind of the rapture where the thoughts and attitude failed in the end times where those behind have to review everything about their doctrines and dogma and they will murmur as foreseen by Isaiah!

By the way this will include all religions that are inconsistent in the attitude toward their fellow brother in truth to that required of the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven and Jesus and it will include a new book written by the Finger of the Father through his angels.

The writing is on the wall as in Babylon!

Sevens


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: sevens on March 09, 2008, 04:35:41 am

sevens


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: sevens on March 10, 2008, 05:45:09 pm
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1 As the impulse of anger against evil, so is the impulse of joy over what is lovely, and brings in of its fruits without restraint: 2 My joy is the Lord and my impulse is toward Him: this path of mine is excellent: ]3 For I have a helper, the Lord. 4 He hath caused me to know Himself, without grudging, by His simplicity: His kindness has humbled His greatness. 5 He became like me, in order that I might receive Him: He was reckoned like myself in order that I might put Him on; 7 And I trembled not when I saw Him: because He was gracious to me: 8 Like my nature He became that I might learn Him and like my form, that I might not turn back from Him: 9 The Father of knowledge is the word of knowledge: 10 He who created wisdom is wiser than His works: 11 And He who created me when yet I was not knew what I should do when I came into being: 12 Wherefore He pitied me in His abundant grace: and granted me to ask from Him and to receive from His sacrifice: 13 Because He it is that is incorrupt,  the fulness of the ages and the of them.14 He hath given Him to be seen of them that are His, in order that they may recognize Him that made them: and that they might not suppose that they came of themselves: 15 For knowledge He hath appointed as its way, hath widened it and extended it; and brought to all perfection; 16 And set over it the traces of His light, and I walked therein from the beginning even to the end. 17 For by Him it was wrought, and He was resting in the Son, and for its salvation He will take hold of everything. 18 And the Most High shall be known in His Saints, to announce to those that have songs of the coming of the Lord:19 That they may go forth to meet Him, and may sing to Him with joy and with the harp of many tones: 20 The seers shall come before Him and they shall be seen before Him, 21 And they shall praise the Lord for His love: because He is near and beholdeth. 22 And hatred shall be taken from the earth, and along with jealousy it shall be drowned: 23 For ignorance hath been destroyed, because the knowledge of the Lord hath arrived . 24 They who make songs shall sing the grace of the Lord Most High; 25 And  they shall bring their songs, and their heart shall be like the day: and like the excellent beauty of the Lord their pleasant song; 26 And there shall neither be anything that breathes without knowledge nor any that is dumb: 27 For He hath given a mouth to His creation, to open the voice of the mouth towards Him, to praise Him: 28 Confess ye His power, and show forth His grace. Hallelujah.

From the Odes of Solomon.
http://www.goodnewsinc.net/othbooks/odesolmn.html

Incredible, a total reflection of the journey in every detail all about the beginning where the end shall occur.  The Odes of Solomon is incredible.

"The Fullness of the Ages" Like in this journey and "I walked therein from the beginning even to the end " Just like in the path to the ancient places.  The beginning where the end shall occur.

All signs to be aware of the times as things could change suddenly as in prophecy!

http://www.sevenfoldbooks.com/odes_of_solomon.htm

Sevens


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: rockessence on March 10, 2008, 07:41:41 pm
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Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: Calvin Noble on March 10, 2008, 11:32:53 pm
sevens, I am concerned about the state of your immortal soul for being so taken in by this fantasy.  In the first place, there is only one Eden.  In the second, you seem to hold nothing but disdain in your heart for the Bible, the one true book of the Almighty.  What proof do you have that your book contains any truth other than you want it to be so?

Don't take this personally, I have had this same discussion with scientologists as well, whom I consider to be every bit as misguided as yourself and Absonite.

Calvin Noble


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: sevens on March 11, 2008, 04:50:18 am
No worries Calvin

Thanks for you concern, I appreciate it.

I responded in the other post as a proposal to you and your church.

By going out there to the proposed city that is described in the Urantia Book and verifying it would prove the Urantia Book as a reliable source.

The proof would be in the discovery.

If I am proved wrong then I would have to review myself not a problem.  However, I would have to be proven wrong in my hypothesis regarding the locations.

Even if I was wrong I dont think the Father would condemn me because I was sincere, truthful, I shared everything of my discoveries with my friends no matter whether they liked me or not.  I was honest in my feelings and really desired to do the will of the Father and wanted to do a good job.  I trusted his guidance within me as I went through the books in focalisation to 1stEden.

Why would the Father condemn me even if was wrong.

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In the second, you seem to hold nothing but disdain in your heart for the Bible, the one true book of the Almighty.

On the contrary, I love the Bible, I'm just so surprised what people say about it.  But for me I use more Bible scripture in my posts than anyone else including yourself.  Allot of them from the Bible but also from the other books as they form a oneness in the focalisation to the ancient cities.

I love the Bible more anything because I understand it very well and can see the oneness in the words.

And I look wider and deeper.

Like in this journey, its all here.

Fragments from the Odes of Solomon.

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8 Like my nature He became that I might learn Him and like my form, that I might not turn back from Him:
9 The Father of knowledge is the word of knowledge:
10 He who created wisdom is wiser than His works:
11 And He who created me when yet I was not knew what I should do when I came into being:

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13 Because He it is that is incorrupt,  the fulness of the ages and the of them.
14 He hath given Him to be seen of them that are His, in order that they may recognize Him that made them:

and this about the method and delivery and how it happens.

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15 For knowledge He hath appointed as its way, hath widened it and extended it; and brought to all perfection;
16 And set over it the traces of His light, and I walked therein from the beginning even to the end.
17 For by Him it was wrought, and He was resting in the Son, and for its salvation He will take hold of everything.

I mean to say the above is a complete reflection of this journey.

Sevens


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: sevens on March 11, 2008, 04:52:32 am
rockessence

ahahahahaha

Dont tell me you are with these Anti Urantia Book people

I thought you liked the book, its not a reptilian thing.

Its about the Father and the whole of his creation as found in religious books.

Oh well you might as well jump on the boat in the verification of these places.

sevens


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: rockessence on March 11, 2008, 06:12:38 am
No my dear I was just being a spook!   (ahem)


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: sevens on March 11, 2008, 06:36:18 am
ahahahahahahaha
sevens


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: 12 Apostles on March 14, 2008, 02:40:47 am
The Bible also says that one is not supposed to mess around with spirits or be damned.  We must, each of us, all follow the Bible to the letter if we are to go to heaven.


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: 12 Apostles on March 14, 2008, 02:42:55 am
Life truly is an existence filled with toil and struggle, that is why we shouldn't laugh either.  Mankind was meant by God to suffer through his existence.  We must never forget that.


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: rockessence on March 14, 2008, 04:18:27 am
Now I know you're joking!  Caught you again! hahahahahahahahahahaha

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Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: sevens on March 16, 2008, 03:32:29 am
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ODE 29.

Again reminiscent of the Psalms of David. (No, its about this journey)

 

 1 The Lord is my hope: in Him I shall not be confounded. 2 For according to His praise He made me, and according to His goodness even so He gave unto me: 3     And according to His mercies He exalted me: and according to His excellent beauty He set me on high:4 And brought me up out of the depths of Sheol: and from the mouth of death He drew me: 5 And thou didst lay my enemies low and He justified me by His grace. 6 For I believed in the Lord's Messiah: and it appeared to me that He is the Lord; 7 And He showed him His sign: and He led, me by His light, and gave me the rod of His power 8 That I might subdue the imaginations of the peoples; and the power of the men of might to bring them low: 9 To make war by His word,and to take victory by His power.    10 And the Lord overthrew my enemy by His word: and he became like the stubble which the wind carries away; 11   And I gave praise to the Most High because He exalted me His servant and the son of His handmaid.  Hallelujah.
This stimulated me    "6 For I believed in the   Lord's Messiah:  and it appeared to me that He is the Lord;   7 And He showed him His sign:  and He led, me by   His light  , and gave me the rod of His power"

Intriguing,  the Odes are all about this journey and its connection to the end times!!

Sevens


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: Calvin Noble on May 27, 2012, 09:45:45 pm
Which 'religion' attracts more crazies, the Urantia Book or scientology? Each has their own lack of merits and accompanying freaks.


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: Robert0326 on May 28, 2012, 12:31:56 am
They ALL attract crazies.


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: Calvin Noble on May 29, 2012, 04:06:45 am
That's true, Robert, both the Urantia Book and scientology attract crazies.


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: Robert0326 on May 29, 2012, 07:00:39 am
Perhaps I should have phrased that better.  All religions bring out the crazies.


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: Tom Hebert on May 29, 2012, 10:46:10 am
Especially the cults.   ;)


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: Calvin Noble on May 31, 2012, 05:02:01 am
Most strains of Christianity are not filled with crazies, wouldn't you agree, Robert?


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: Robert0326 on May 31, 2012, 06:52:05 am
Granted there are good people that are religious.  But there are also the bigots and the ones that try to force their beliefs on others, especially when it concerns to politics and government policy.


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: Calvin Noble on June 15, 2012, 12:29:52 am
Robert, you are forgetting in a godless world, we are often forced to bring our beliefs to bear on others. What do you think that the law is all about? Would people stop speeding, for instance, if we didn't have speed limits?


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: Robert0326 on June 15, 2012, 06:55:10 am
Breaking the speed limit is not a law of god.  You not going to be tortured for eternity for doing that.  What gives the you or any religious person to forced your beliefs on others?


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: Calvin Noble on June 15, 2012, 08:41:41 pm
Very well, if there were no laws against stealing, would more people do it? I think so, murder as well.

As for, "What gives the you or any religious person to forced your beliefs on others?," well if we want to make the world a better place, naturally we would want people to live by the same moral code.  In other words, who do I have to be?


Title: Re: the Urantia Book: Legitimate Religion or Satan-inspired Cult?
Post by: Robert0326 on June 16, 2012, 06:38:09 am
We all have the same "moral code" with or without the religion or a belief in god. I no not steal or kill just the same as many others do not.