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Title: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Shayla on March 22, 2007, 01:09:50 pm
I'm certain that many of you will think I'm flaky, but I have been having dreams about Atlantis and a great flood since childhood, even back before I knew what Atlantis was. They start with me in a giant stone building, and then this massive tidal wave comes washing towards me and I'm just gone, killed by it. In the first dreams, I'm a child, now that I'm an adult, a grown woman some twenty years later, the same thing happens, only more vividly: fear grips the city, somehow I get disconnected from my parents, and then we see the wave, and everyone runs. It hits, and everything is gone, destroyed by the crashing water. I sink beneath the waves, I begin drowning, the water is very dark and cold. There are bodies all around me along with stone debris, statues and blocks fall into the water, on top of us. Then I awaken, sometimes in a cold sweat, it's that realistic.
As I said, I didn't know anything about Atlantis at all when I first began having the dreams, as a kid. When I was twelve, I finally learned of the legend and everything just seemed to fit. In the dreams, the city is even surrounded by the pretty concentric rings of water and land. I don't know if that detail was there when I was a kid, but it's definitely there if I have the dream now.

There are other details about the dream that I remember: the ruler of Atlantis, who seems to be, not Poseidon, but a woman, huge mountains off in the distance, giant statues. I believe that Atlantis not only existed, but I used to live there in another incarnation..?

Does anyone else ever have any dreams about Atlantis? Maybe there's some kind of evidence in the dreams themselves if we put them altogether.




Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Bianca on March 22, 2007, 05:40:06 pm


Hi, Shayla;

I have not had dreams, but visions, and I still see them.

Since I have moved to Florida in 1989, there is a whole tribe of people.

So many of them.  They all look travel weary, just like in the paintings

of the Exodus or the Cherokees' Trail of Tears pictures:  clothes torn,

babies and children hanging onto  their parents or in their arms.

Old men and women being helped by the younger ones.

There are so many of them!

They don't speak and I can see them almost at will.  It took me years

to figure out who they were.  I thought they were pre-colombian

natives.  Until the telepathic messages finally got through my thick

skull.

They are not:  They are MY people.  They fled the cataclysm that over-

took what WE call Atlantis.  Once they landed, they kept on walking,

until they could go no more.  The Sea stopped them.  They are MY

"Tribe".  I was left behind because I "had a job to do" and I perished

with our homeland.



Ghosts or an 'imprint' left for me to find? 

Just like your dreams, it is up to us individually to make of these

"occurrences" what we will.


By the way, I live in Florida, on the Gulf of Mexico.  I Knew nothing of

the local natives when I first started seeing this.  Now I know that the

so-called rise off the beach, where they appear, was a "mound",

better known to archaeologists as a "midden".  Just like the rest of

them in this area, this one too has been built on and paved over........

Love and Peace,
Bianca


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Shayla on March 23, 2007, 02:46:11 pm
Great post, Bianca! I thought I was the only one who had these kinds of visions.

What ethnicity would you say they were, and did your dreams tell you anything about the destruction like mine did, or where Atlantis was?



Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Bianca on March 23, 2007, 06:49:04 pm


No, Shayla, I have no recollections whatsoever, NADA, ZILCH.

I figured out over the years (I am almost 70 years old now), that even though I
I sure there was an Atlantis and I always knew that I was an Atlantean, my
memory is completely erased.

My death there must have been a very traumatic experience and my memory is
totally blocked.

I have a totally unbelievable phobia for machines and electronics, except for
automobiles.  I mean, ridiculous, really.  I bought a new sewing machine years
ago but, by the time six months had passed, I had not touched it. (and I used to
love sewing.)  My daughters would laugh their heads off and tease me merci-
lessly.   Don't even trust me to take a simple photograph, you'll regret it.  Not
to mention the dreaded COMPUTER.......

A total stranger once told me that I was at my station with the crystal when
Atlantis went down.  That seems to be why I have this phobia.  The POWERS
THAT BE must have helped to erase the horror from my conscious memory.

That's about it.  Nothing, just a blank.  Look how many years it took me to figure
out who the "Indians" were.......But when I talk to people like you, I know it's all
true.  There are a lot of people I've met with the same recollections as yours.  I
totally believe them, but I feel totally detached when they talk to me about it.
Does that make any sense?

But there is one thing:  I just instinctively know when something is true or not of
where it was located and how large it was.  I just "know", but I don't remember.

My"Indians" do not look any different than you or I, really. The strange thing is they
are well covered, but their clothes are in rags and they are a MULTITUDE and I
can't really see their faces.  Funny thing is they seem to be coming from the
beach, about 10-12 blocks away and they NEVER cross over to the other side of the
road, where the light is.  They seem to march shoulder-to-shoulder, right across
this wide avenue.  Why don't they ever cross?  Maybe there was water, or a marsh
or alligators, I don't know.  It's all built up now, from that point, all the way to
Clearwater and beyond - I'm in St. Petersburg, Florida.

Oh, this is trivial but, do you like Turquoise - the stone?

Love and Peace,
Bianca


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Spell on September 06, 2007, 09:40:03 pm

OH, I can totally relate to this dream. I have so many visions and dreams. Women of power were of the house of Poseidon in my telepathic communication.

I see myself on a pillar, very tall, with many people around during a time of some chaos. And I am talking with them to help them. Around my neck is a large necklace that is pulsating with crystals of the chakra centers shaped like the sun.

I am not crazy either and have talked with many many people who have similar experiences. It seems that many of the ones I have come into contact with are keepers of the crystals. It must have taken many many people to attend to the crystals.


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Bianca on September 07, 2007, 09:54:55 am



Hi, Spell

WELCOME!!!

Yes, there are a lot of us that have dreams and/or recollections.

They all come spilling out when we meet one of our own.

And we all seem to recognize one another.

BTW. I cannot wear crystal.  It gives me terrific headaches.  It must have something to do
with how I died.

Turquoise yes.  I can and do wear tons of it.  And it feels very conforting.

Love and Peace,
Bianca


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Spell on September 07, 2007, 10:09:42 am


Have you heard of Larimar? Larimar is the stone of Atlantis and is mined in the Dominican. I wear my jewelry for calming. The most beautiful colors and in some pieces you can see the ocean.

I have met others with similar dreams and more than mine. In one lucid dream, I was taken to a crystal of ( oh, I cannot describe the color effectively) as the colors are so much more than what we know..but a pink rose sort..I was placed on the table in the middle of the ocean, the top of which rolled back as the back of the structure resembled a sea shell..and the feeling I just cannot find words that describe..bliss is all. During this dream, I woke up, walked to the bathroom and back..then fell asleep again while still dreaming. There was a male swimming near me and it seemed as though he was not only monitoring the effects of the crystal but the moon rays on the crystal for the effect. It seems as though I was told the projection must be exact.

Many, many memories. Too, I was told my name then was Ariane.

Spell


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Horus on September 09, 2007, 12:48:39 pm
I'm certain that many of you will think I'm flaky, but I have been having dreams about Atlantis and a great flood since childhood,...

Hi Shayla,

I don't think you are flaky at all, as I have been approached by dozens of other people who have similar dreams and past life recall.  You probably have a subconscious memory from that time.
The psychic Edgar Cayce said that millions of Atlanteans were reincarnating into modern times --especially in America.
Some of his clients had similar dreams like this one in 1935:

(Q) Why in early childhood did I dream so many times that the world was being destroyed, always seeing a black destructive cloud?

(A) From the experience in the Atlantean land, when there were those destructive forces as indicated. The entity saw or lived through those experiences of at least two, yea three, of the destructive periods; saw the land breaking up, as it were."  

(http://www.reversespins.com/deluge.jpg)

This connects back an earlier part of the same reading where Cayce told her that she had lived in Atlantis when it was destroyed and had fled to the Yucatan:

"... the entity was in the land now known as the Atlantean, and many were the sojourns... The entity was among the priestesses of the Law of One, serving in the temples where there was the raising of the light in which the universal forces gave expression ....
With the periods arising when there was the last of the destructions (for the entity sojourned in the Poseidian land, and about that temple there, in the spirit influences of the material activities, for some six thousand years - if counted as time now), the entity journeyed with those people for the Yucatan land, or the establishing of the temple there in which the entity aided. " (823-1 given 2-11-35)

There were also tragic readings given for people who stayed behind and drowned.  These perfectly parallel accounts given to me by people, and from work I do as a hypnotherapist conducting past-life regressions.

"...the entity in the Atlantean land. HERE the entity was near to those that made for the destructive forces, as well as for those that were the SAVING of the peoples in the land, aiding then in making the preparations for the sojourning or the leaving of peoples that would go to other lands before the final destruction came to this land;
yet choosing to be rather among those to REMAIN - as would be termed - in the sinking ship."  (2733-1 1-12-33)

(http://www.jimusnr.com/ab14.jpg)

I know one of these people who had vivid recall of a life as a Atlantean healer, and she chose to stay behind and aid people while her husband and child fled to Egypt. When I showed her pictures of the submerged Bahama Bank and Andros Island, she cried.

"...the entity was in the Atlantean land, when there were those disturbances arising in which there were the warnings for those peoples that the end of those activities was at hand, and when many journeyed to the varied lands.
The entity chose rather to remain.
Hence we find latent within the present experience a dread of something, the entity knows not what; a fear of being in that position of not taking the warnings given, and yet rebelling - deep within - self against that of rule without the reasons for same."  (2443-1 given 2-1-41)

(http://www.jimusnr.com/ab13.jpg)

I'm guessing the last death throes of Atlantis were sudden like Plato wrote, or perhaps there just wasn't enough transportation for everyone to evacuate.  Some poor people probably couldn't afford to move either.

"...we find in that period when Atlantean forces were in activity. The entity then among those that gathered in the mountain tops and watched over the destruction by the incoming of waters...." (1740-1 given 10-22-30)

(http://www.ddg.com/LIS/InfoDesignF97/car/Deluge.JPG)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Gustave_Doré_-_Déluge.jpg/310px-Gustave_Doré_-_Déluge.jpg)

"In that before this we find when the ruling force of Poseida was before the gates of the mighty waters that in ages back submerged this plain."  (4228-1 given 12-12-23)

(http://www.sdphotoshopusers.com/gallery_submissions/gzucconi_gallerycontent/images/The%20Sinking%20of%20Atlantis.jpg)

Blessings,
Horus


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Jon on January 03, 2016, 10:49:00 am
I know it's been a few years since you created this post Shayla, but I just found this website. There is something I would very much like to share... I just finished reading the two volume set of "An Amazing Human Journey" by Dr. Shakuntala Modi, a psychiatrist who does some innovative hypnotic regression. Her hypnotized patients had some very detailed and disturbing accounts of Atlantis - a magnificent civilization that had inverted into hell on earth before it's destruction. Her patients described tidal waves overcoming a society that had made the mistake of advancing their technology without advancing their spirituality. And that's where Bianca's reply to you post is so interesting... Bianca says she has an innate fear of technology. Amazingly, this fear fits directly with Dr. Modi's hypnotized patients' claims that the whole world suffered a revulsion and rejection of technology after the extreme horrors that had manifested in the dark age of Atlantis. Her patients also claim that what happened to Atlantean society can also happen to our society now...unless we can raise our spirituality to sufficient levels.

I just thought I'd share how amazing it is that the details in this post match the past life regression of others.



Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Shayla on January 03, 2016, 03:20:36 pm
Fascinating post, Jon, did these people have any other details in their visions about just what Atlantis looked like, the kind of tech they had and where it actually was?

Welcome to the forum!

Wow, it has actually been over eight years since this topic was started!  Time flies.


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Hermocrates on January 06, 2016, 12:47:39 pm
Fascinating post, Jon, did these people have any other details in their visions about just what Atlantis looked like, the kind of tech they had and where it actually was?

I don't know about those others, but I believe that I can provide the information. How can I do that, and on what authority? On my own authority, of course! Suspecting to be the reincarnation of the author's master, I, of all people, can give a full account, in detail. I don't claim to be anywhere near having the intellectual abilities that were mine in that other life, far from it. I'm not endowed with the same eloquence, wisdom, or ability to gather a crowd of disciples around me, as then, nor do I recall much other about that past life. Only that there is a reason for my grasping what I believe to be an unique, and crazy understanding of this Atlantis tale, and the rest of Plato's works. Although I have not yet worked out every little part of the tale, but for the most part, it has come back to me. Like Critias said, by thinking I recovered nearly the whole of it. I will tell you that you must also use more than just facts, but anything else that will, satisfactorily, make sense and explain in all respects; allegorically, symbolically, factually, representative, dimensional correctness using various measurement standards and even approximations, geographically, and topologically representative of the climatic conditions laid down. And all meeting logical explanation as to the description of governments, diplomacy, commerce, and history. And I think that I can even make sense of the part that Cayce plays in this, which is even stranger than anything that anyone can say about Cayce and his psychic abilities, to date.

However, who is willing to listen, if we introduce all this reincarnation and new age stuff, including dreams, feelings, and visions? It's hard enough to make a case about the reality of Atlantis even using a few scientific and historical events to show that, at most, Atlantis can only be an allegorical, glorified account to real, historical clashes of ancient Greek and Persian empires, or an exaggerated, date and location distorted, representation of a catastrophic natural disaster. But it should also be mentioned, for those that are only familiar with the two dialogues that deal with Atlantis, that the immortality of the soul, reincarnation, and the just conduct of mankind is at the core of Socrates' philosophy and reflected in Plato's works. Those with visions and dreams, cheer up as you may not be so crazy/strange! However, just realize that I could be even more nuttier than any of you, as this has already been suggested.

But for those that believe, and see the light in these crazy things, I will provide just as a teaser, and I will tell you why Poseidon was selected and used to figure as the father and founder of the "Atlantian" race. It's all about sailors and ships. Just think about it. The tale is about revealing the existence of a land unknown to the general populace of the old world.  Starting with the 5 twins, it should have been easy for those of the modern times to use this clue as one of the first pieces to lay down in composing the "puzzle." Is it not obvious why five, and why twins? Were there not 5 great "naval" powers that colonized the Americas? Were there not 5 twins established in the Americas? The British, the Spaniards, the French, the Portuguese, and the Dutch?


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Rennes-le-Château on January 07, 2016, 08:12:29 pm
BOREDOM ALERT!

Do you really think the New Age Atlantis believers are going to buy your 'Atlantis isn't real' smear anymore than the Platoists did?  ::)


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Hermocrates on January 09, 2016, 12:58:16 pm
Do you really think the New Age Atlantis believers are going to buy your 'Atlantis isn't real' smear anymore than the Platoists did?  ::)

PEST ALERT, GET YOUR PESTICIDE READY!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VpnEExpnIM

Well, look what came through the woodwork, my old friend, a worm, and caring being. Oh, excuse me, I meant "warm." Surely one of Atlantis' better citizens, and always seeming to be looking out for his fellow citizens; so gracious and unselfish of you. I had a feeling to expect you here, although I though you had departed these here neck of the woods, not having noticed, on this site, any wiggling from any of your worthless heads. Greetings you multi-headed hydra; do I need to call my trusted companion, Iolaus, to come to my assistance again? I see that you have not evolved, and are still the same persistent pest, eating away at the frame of this noble place, and are still as dumb as ever. With a dumb-dumb like you, the Atlantis tale will only remain a myth. Go and play with those conspiracy plots, Templar knights, Masons, and the Angels and Demons you crave, and plague Dan Brown. Leave philosophy, facts, and truth alone, you are blind to it, as you have no eyes to see, like all other worms.

Still, since you always crave to converse with me; what are Platoists? Are you trying to learn a language of some type? Or are you making up things, since you know practically nothing?
And now, having subjected Atlantis to every sort of test, let us not appear to be too sparing of reincarnation and the knowledge that comes with dreams and visions: let us ring their metal bravely, and see if there be unsoundness in any part, until we have found out what in them is of the purest nature; and then the truest elements both of Atlantis' location, and the knowledge of not being a myth may be brought up for judgment.

Therefore, crawl back to where you usually hide, and stop being a pest, or we will have the principle call your mother. You cannot stay here, it's too complex for your tiny, wormy brain.


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Hermocrates on January 11, 2016, 11:36:24 am
Another day in Atlantis, just dream about it; she calls out to the man on the street, have you had a dream too? Up to a few years ago, I had always wondered why there was/is so much irresistible love, and interest about Atlantis outside of philosophical circles; but I know now. People even dream about it, and they assure us that they had not even heard the word, "Atlantis." Edgar Cayce, we are told by his sons on the preface of an A.R.E. book on Atlantis, had no knowledge of Plato's work when he gave those readings of his on Atlantis and reincarnation. Well this is certainly a very strange thing, indeed! I know better in regards to Cayce, as I recall some written evidence that cites E. Cayce's own words that would easily disprove it. And yet, something has to give. Who's pulling the strings? Cupid of course!

WHY, why, why? I will tell you why. Because it is meant to be so by the "Higher Powers." Believe it or not, the question should not be; "why all the interest on whether Atlantis is, or is not a myth? But more so, we should ask ourselves; "what will those seeking Atlantis do with it, once really found? We are intrigued by the prospects of finding it, and we dream on; forming many personal and varied fancies about it. It's an illogical love affair, it would seem, as we, those inspired and moved by this tale, fall easy prey, as lovers do when falling madly in love. And as they say that, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder," therefore to each beholder the beauty of their wishful fancies of an Atlantis of their very own is all too beautiful to them, even if it happens to be, in reality, very ugly as compared with Plato's true Atlantis. We are all easy lovers, here.

Easy lovers of mystical places, once Atlantis gets a hold on you, believe it like no other. Before you know it you'll be on your knees, she's an easy lover, and she'll take your heart but you won't feel it, she's like no other, and I'm just trying to make you see she's the kind of myth you dream of. You will dream of getting hold of Atlantis, somewhere, somehow. But you'd better forget it, you'll never get it. Atlantis will play around and leave you. Everyone seems to have her. Yes, deceive you and leave you. Better forget it, oh you'll regret it. No you'll never change her, because Plato described her as she really "is." So leave it, leave that land as he described her. For she'll say there's no other till she finds another that says; I found her! Better forget it, they will laugh at you too when you tell them, "Atlantis is mine!" Get out quick 'cause seeing in dreams is deceiving. Oh my people come out from under her spell before the catastrophy comes. It's the only way you'll ever know her, in your dreams and imagination, easy lovers. Before you know it you'll be on your knees begging anyone to tell you more. Atlantis, she's an easy lover for those that seek to dream of her. But you have to wait just a bit longer, like everyone has for 2,500 years, before she will be found; faithful and true, still with the living and under the sun, and not the sea. She will show herself soon enough. But soon is sooner than anyone can dream. Truth does not come easy, but come it will. Truth comes at its own time, which is always the right time to come. Understanding the love for Atlantis does not come easy, and like any true love, it has taken time to find our beloved, sun filled Atlantis. 

Let us be clear, those that think otherwise. Friends, Atlanteans, countrymen, lend me your ears; I have come to prove the existence of Atlantis, and not to debunk a myth. And although some of you may think that I am joking, I declare that I will tell you the entire truth, soon enough! But only a little at a time, to allow you to chew on it sufficiently, to aid you in swallowing and digesting it. And it will take a lot of chewing and swallowing, if you believe me. But I'm confident that anyone of you here can do it. And let me tell you that it will be sweet in your mouth, but it will turn bitter in your stomachs, because such is the effect of prophecy/truth. Afterall, seeing just what kind of stuff people are chewing and swallowing around here, in comparison, my food is fit for the gods. Needless to say, the recepies and food quality is not much better at other sites where they are also serving up Atlantis appetizers.

But despair not, as time has come today, and it's time to realize what Atlantis is really made of.  Awaken, all those who sleep and dream, and reincarnate! For the Kingdom of God is at hand, too!  You cannot have the one without the other.

TIME HAS COME TODAY!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHfB63ln1Ig


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Lawrence Fragg on January 11, 2016, 05:22:55 pm
I can see that you are all "play-acting" at being Atlanteans. Since all of you are so interested in what it was like to be Atlanteans, I'll tell you the truth. and none of you can tell em that it wasn't the truth either because I was there and you weren't, so there. My word is unimpeachable.


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Lawrence Fragg on January 11, 2016, 05:34:56 pm
The Atlanteans had a very orderly society where they venerated the rich, made things difficult for the poor and made their middle class pay for everything. That is as it should be. Their greatest leaders were two men, one named Rea-gun, the other one being Bushe, the last of which's bloodlines were of great renown. They had a splendid military and at one time invaded not just the Mediterranean, but the Levant and Mesopotamia, where they waged war, seeking the area's rich natural resources (namely oil). They conquered all said places, liberating them from the banality of their daily lives, but the selfish populaces then revolted against this benevolent rule. All was darkness when the Atlantean leader, Obomber took the helm, made things easy for the terrorists. Luckily his successor, the Donald, managed to put things right once again, and Atlantis once again became a place where the wealthy would be appreciated and admired once again.


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Rennes-le-Château on January 11, 2016, 05:42:05 pm
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Well, look what came through the woodwork, my old friend, a worm, and caring being. Oh, excuse me, I meant "warm." Surely one of Atlantis' better citizens, and always seeming to be looking out for his fellow citizens; so gracious and unselfish of you. I had a feeling to expect you here, although I though you had departed these here neck of the woods, not having noticed, on this site, any wiggling from any of your worthless heads.

GOOBER ALERT

Once again, Hermaphodite uses insults to cover up his lack of knowledge and abundant hot air. Dude (if you are still a dude),I am sorry that the hormone replacement therapy and new surgically created genitalia isn't working right for you, but them's the risks, little buddy, and you knew that when you went under the knife. Now, get along, my transvestite friend, I am sure there is a good tranny board that would love to have you.  ;)


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Fran on January 11, 2016, 06:30:16 pm
By golly, Lawrence, that Atlantis sure sounds like it was a nice place to live in!  Sure wish I could have been there.


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Edith on January 11, 2016, 06:52:58 pm
Lawrence, please tell us more about your visions of Atlantis, it sounds like it was a  good God-fearing place. :)


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Hermocrates on January 12, 2016, 12:45:29 pm
By golly Lawarence Fragg. Better hold on to your r or Rennes the worm will make you to be a Fagg too! But I do like your humor. You don't know just how close you are to the truth, except that if Donald the duck quacks his way into the royal city of Atlantis the calamity is sure to come sooner than later.


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Hermocrates on January 12, 2016, 01:02:23 pm
To all that want to participate, whether seriously or in jest, I welcome you. As they say, any news is not good news, but only the good. After all, we are all here for fun, right? It's good news to just hear a voice on this thread; I had thought this thread was a call to the dead. Reincarnation has resurrected the souls of those, long ago, citizens of Atlantis. Edgar Cayce did say that we, old souls and citizens of Atlantis, are all reincarnating in the USA.

Is there any one here that has, seriously, put forth a theory of their own? I hope that none of you are just another head of the hydra that stalks me on this site. Only the initiated in the old mysteries should participate here.


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Hermocrates on January 12, 2016, 01:08:39 pm
How you, O Atlantis seekers, have been affected by my accusers, I cannot tell; but I know that they almost made me forget who I was—so persuasively did they speak; and yet they have hardly uttered a word of truth. But of the many falsehoods told by them, there was one which quite amazed me;—I mean when they said that you should be upon your guard and not allow yourselves to be deceived by me, since they say I want to discredit the truth about Atlantis and I'm a devout Christian, too. To say this, when they were certain to be detected as soon as I opened my lips and proved myself to be anything but a great lover of the truth of it, did indeed appear to me most shameless—unless by the uniqueness and strangeness of my proof about Atlantis, they believe that I'm only jesting and jeering those that believe in Atlantis; for if such is their meaning, I admit that my account appears to be such as they believe it not. But it's not as they say. It's only that my Atlantis story and the beauty of it is very much different from all other accounts, and is a perfect reflection of Plato's own. But in how different a way from theirs? Well, as I was saying, they have scarcely spoken the truth at all; but from me you shall hear the whole truth: not, however, delivered after their manner in a set oration duly ornamented with times, places, shapes, words and phrases of which Plato never mentioned. No, by heaven! but I shall use the words and arguments which occur to me at the moment; for I am confident in the justice of my cause: at my time of life I ought not to be appearing before you, O men and ladies of Atlantis, in the character of a juvenile jester—let no one expect it of me. And I must beg of you to grant me a favour:—If I defend myself in my accustomed manner, and you hear me using the words which I have been in the habit of using in that life, I would ask you not to be surprised, and not to interrupt me on this account. For I am older than I can imagine, and appearing now for the first time to be remebering that past life of long ago. But only vaugly, as through a glass darkly. Am I making an unfair request of you? Never mind the manner, which may or may not be good; but think only of the truth of my words, and give heed to that: let the speaker speak truly and the judge decide justly.




Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Hermocrates on January 12, 2016, 01:20:07 pm
Plato placed Atlantis in his distant past. But nothing can be further from the truth. It was only to disquise the prophecy for the future. This would become evident as the future history unfolded. This unfolding was carefully told us in the Critias diologue itself.

"The progress of the history will unfold the various nations of barbarians and families of Hellenes which then existed, as they successively appear on the scene."

One has only to use this key; the key to the future, and not the past. Atlantis never sank in the past, although it may actually do that in the very near future. And that my friends is the truth as to why no one has found any ruins or other archeaological evidence of any kind, indicating that such advanced civilizations could have existed. And not only of  Atlantis, but nothing can be found for those others to have existed at the same time, too. By coexisting I mean the ones that Atlantis held sway over, the ones that Atlantis exchanged diplomatic and commercial activity with, and the ones that she went to war with. For the same reason, geology and modern day oceanography cannot account for the disappearance of such a vast land mass; one bigger than Asia and Lybia put together.
 
Well, then, I must make the truth obvious to you too, as it is to me, and endeavour to clear away, in a short time, a slander which has lasted a long time; 2,500 years long. May I succeed, if to succeed be for my good and yours, or likely to avail me in my cause! The task is not an easy one; I quite understand the nature of it. And so leaving the event with God, in obedience to the law I will now make her defence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pkVLqSaahk


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Hermocrates on January 12, 2016, 01:45:08 pm
What has been the scope of having searched for Atlantis, to find all that gold, silver, and orichalchum? I think not, for the majority. But let me tell you, those that have an inkling to know, what it would really mean to find Atlantis. Simply that Plato spoke truly. But truly about what, just the tale of Atlantis? To that the answer is, NO! Plato told us true about everything; God, gods, the creation of the physical universe, the soul's immortality, reincarnation, human nature, justice, law and order, etc. But most of all, Plato tells us how to get our soul out of these "hellish" cycles of being imprisoned in a physical body. The great battle between Socrates' Republic and the becoming-evil Atlantean empire has yet to be fought, as Atlantis in not yet evil enough, but soon. And to understand Cayce's "coded" messages about reincarnation and Atlantis, as relating to Plato's own "coded" messages, one has to embrace and understand the symbols within the symbols used by both men. And prophecy is at the heart of the matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN1J5sMv28Q


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Hermocrates on January 12, 2016, 01:57:08 pm
Is there anything that anyone may have overlooked in finding Atlantis? From of old we have searched far and wide, high and low, in and out, and even gone in outer-space to find our elusive Atlantis. The new fad of "past-life regression therapy" is now taking a crack at it, too. And we are being told by a "highly creditable" psychiatrist who does some innovative hypnotic regression that her hypnotized patients had some very detailed and disturbing accounts of Atlantis from recalling their past lives. Wow, what amazing good luck for those of us searching. Only if we can now request the hypnotists to suggest to their patients to be more creative and give us more details as to where, when, and how it all went down, as it was told by Plato, and not by Madame Blavatsky and Cayce. Surely those that claim to have been there, on Atlantis, in a previous life, ought to be able to solve the riddle for us! But what about the present day dreamers, and visionaries? How is it that they only dream and see mere topical generalities, but no specifics? Where do their dreams and visions come from? And why are they incomplete as to the whole? And therefore the search goes on, and on and on....because we are addicted to love, the love for finding Atlantis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcATvu5f9vE


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Hermocrates on January 12, 2016, 02:16:35 pm
Although I sound as if I find fault with Edgar Cayce, and his readings on reincarnation associated with Atlantis, or with the people that have "true" feelings and dreams about having existed on Atlantis, I'm not, really! And this will become evident later. Anyway, many that know a little on the subject of prophecy will understand that a prophecy of a future event is not understood at the time of the prophecy, but only when the future time nears. I think that most will also know that a prophecy can be one that has no warning about it, and will tell of something that will happen for sure. However, they should also know about the prophecy that comes with a warning. And although this prophecy seems to have a full description of unfolding events as though they actually happen, it is only meant to show just what can happen. This type will or will not happen for certain, as it will depend on the actions taken in reference to the warning. Well, that prophecy is at the center in Cayce's work is all too evident, and needs no one to make a case for it, obviously. But for Plato it's something very different, indeed. To keep this in perspective, one has to understand that it is for Plato's sake and in full support of Plato's work that we have Cayce's own work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeMFqkcPYcg


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Hermocrates on January 12, 2016, 03:40:49 pm
Socrates' God.

To begin to understand Atlantis, it's not enough to consider only what the two founding "gods," Athena and Poseidon represent, but one has to also consider the god Apollo and the Muses. But above all, one has to consider and associate with tale the Timaeus' main theme, which is all about the origin of the physical universe and the ultimate Good; The One and only God, Father/Creator of everything. This everything will include the creation, symbolically, of all the Greek "mythological" gods themselves.

As anyone who is familiar with Plato's work will know that Athena is the founding godess of the Athenians of that day, and Poseidon is the founding god of their enemies who fought with them, the kings of Atlantis. I have already, in other posts on this site, given a short explanation, mainly as it relates to Athena's own birth, and the "seemgly" logical contradiction of the date given by the priests for the founding date of Athens, with the same date given as to when the war with Atlantis occured; both being 9,000 years before the date of the conversation between Solon and the priests of Sais. And also how Athena figures for the way the "winning" Athenian military was demised and disappeared. There also, I gave a short account on a parallel basis as to Poseidon's representation as to the nature of the specific events that "sunk" Atlantis.

On this topic thread here, I have, previously, posted another reason why Poseidon was used to represent the father and founder of the Atlantis race, although the very lands of Atlantis, before they were known as Atlantis, already existed and were already populated by one of the races of the "earthborn" men.

Besides knowing Plato's work well, before anyone can sniff out the trail that leads to the truth about Atlantis, one has to study Greek mythology well. Note that in Greek Mythology before Plato's time, there are no accounts whatsoever about Atlantis. This is very significant, because, although we have tons of mythical tales and accounts about Poseidon, his love affairs, and the children he fathered, yet, where is Cleito and her 5 set of twins sired by Poseidon? Nowhere to be found! Also we need to consider what Herodotus wrote about the Egyptians and their gods, and especially about the Sais priests. Their sacred writings, whether on stone or papyrus, never once mention the deity Poseidon. And as far as Atlantis goes, in the scheme of the Egyptians' quest to trace back history of man, to determine if the Egyptians themselves may have been the eldest race, as Herodutus himself tells us about this quest, he is as totally ignorant as the Egyptians are about Atlantis. Not one word about what the Sais priests, supposedly, told Solon.
 
One who was very innomured with the tale of Atlantis, and who wrote, extensively, about it, trying to depict his own envisioned idea of some type of Atlantis being a true account, although not at all as it meets with Plato's account, showed his lack of insight and expertise in the matter, although once having been held to be a real expert on Atlantis. This man, Lewis Spence, who also wrote The History of Atlantis, besides, also claimed to be quite an expert in folklore and mythology. Yet, he never considered the total absence of mythological and local folklore accounts for the two main adversaries, Atlantis, and ancient Athens, and the epic war to have occured between them and their allies. Wow, we have all kinds of mythological accounts of gods being involved with the outcome of the Trojan war, as Homer tells it, and yet nothing of a war to have been so much more prominent and on a much grander scale. On the scale that the Trojan war was just a local scrimage, as compared with the "world war" between the vast Atlantean empire and all the nations of Europe, "Libya" and the Asian countries bordering on the Mediterranean sea. No matter how busy Solon may have been on returning to Greece after being told the tale by the Egyptian priests, he would have put all aside, to share with as many as possible, such an historic and fantastic account of his historical Athens. In fact, he would have already written down the whole, in draft at least, while sailing back to Greece from Egypt, and then shared with all his friends, peers, and countrymen. In the long interval between Solon's time and Plato's time, there would have arisen thousands of versions and stories about Atlantis, both mythically and historically. None of that happened, though. Why? Your daily food for thought!

To those that dream of getting out of this place, Plato's/Socrates' cave, dream on, as it's not by chance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyfNHlqymP8

But enough for now!



Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Hermocrates on January 12, 2016, 06:03:31 pm
If they are real, and their posts are not just meant in jest, to entice similar retaliatory remarks on their unique and "colored" posts, what are Fran and Edith doing on Atlantis Online? Is it any wonder that Atlantis is sinking? They probably think that Plato is that "silly putty" they gave their kids to play with. They sound identical in their very limited capabilities to comprehend democracy as being a type of government that, ideally, is to distribute equal rights to all its citizens. But if one really understands Plato/Socrates, they would know why little old ladies like them, with voting rights, makes democracy the worst government, with the exception of only tyranny, as we are told in the Republic. How true, how true. But if they stick around this cave of ours long enough, they will have the privilege and honor to live under a dictatorship, as they desire. Because the best breeding ground for tyranny is a democracy; decked out in bells and whistles.

Yes, he said, I am quite aware that this is their way of talking.
And, as in a body which is diseased the addition of a touch from without may bring on illness, and sometimes even when there is no external provocation a commotion may arise within-in the same way wherever there is weakness in the State there is also likely to be illness, of which the occasions may be very slight, the one party introducing from without their oligarchical, the other their democratical allies, and then the State falls sick, and is at war with herself; and may be at times distracted, even when there is no external cause.

Yes, surely.
And then democracy comes into being after the poor have conquered their opponents, slaughtering some and banishing some, while to the remainder they give an equal share of freedom and power; and this is the form of government in which the magistrates are commonly elected by lot.

Yes, he said, that is the nature of democracy, whether the revolution has been effected by arms, or whether fear has caused the opposite party to withdraw.

And now what is their manner of life, and what sort of a government have they? for as the government is, such will be the man.

Clearly, he said.
In the first place, are they not free; and is not the city full of freedom and frankness --a man may say and do what he likes? 'Tis said so, he replied.
And where freedom is, the individual is clearly able to order for himself his own life as he pleases?

Clearly.
Then in this kind of State there will be the greatest variety of human natures?

There will.
This, then, seems likely to be the fairest of States, being an embroidered robe which is spangled with every sort of flower. And just as women and children think a variety of colours to be of all things most charming, so there are many men to whom this State, which is spangled with the manners and characters of mankind, will appear to be the fairest of States.

Yes.
Yes, my good Sir, and there will be no better in which to look for a government.

Why?
Because of the liberty which reigns there --they have a complete assortment of constitutions; and he who has a mind to establish a State, as we have been doing, must go to a democracy as he would to a bazaar at which they sell them, and pick out the one that suits him; then, when he has made his choice, he may found his State.

He will be sure to have patterns enough.
And there being no necessity, I said, for you to govern in this State, even if you have the capacity, or to be governed, unless you like, or go to war when the rest go to war, or to be at peace when others are at peace, unless you are so disposed --there being no necessity also, because some law forbids you to hold office or be a dicast, that you should not hold office or be a dicast, if you have a fancy --is not this a way of life which for the moment is supremely delightful

For the moment, yes.
And is not their humanity to the condemned in some cases quite charming? Have you not observed how, in a democracy, many persons, although they have been sentenced to death or exile, just stay where they are and walk about the world --the gentleman parades like a hero, and nobody sees or cares?

Yes, he replied, many and many a one.
See too, I said, the forgiving spirit of democracy, and the 'don't care' about trifles, and the disregard which she shows of all the fine principles which we solemnly laid down at the foundation of the city --as when we said that, except in the case of some rarely gifted nature, there never will be a good man who has not from his childhood been used to play amid things of beauty and make of them a joy and a study --how grandly does she trample all these fine notions of ours under her feet, never giving a thought to the pursuits which make a statesman, and promoting to honour any one who professes to be the people's friend.

 
Yes, she is of a noble spirit.
These and other kindred characteristics are proper to democracy, which is a charming form of government, full of variety and disorder, and dispensing a sort of equality to equals and unequals alike.

We know her well.
Consider now, I said, what manner of man the individual is, or rather consider, as in the case of the State, how he comes into being.

Very good, he said.
Is not this the way --he is the son of the miserly and oligarchical father who has trained him in his own habits?

Why yes! All that prejudice, hate, and resentment is passed on from father to son and mother to daughter!

Say then, my friend, in what manner does tyranny arise? --that it has a democratic origin is evident.

Are not our two senior lunatic citizens tyrannical with their wishes?

Clearly.
And does not tyranny spring from democracy in the same manner as democracy from oligarchy --I mean, after a sort?

How?
The good which oligarchy proposed to itself and the means by which it was maintained was excess of wealth --am I not right?

Yes.
And the insatiable desire of wealth and the neglect of all other things for the sake of money-getting was also the ruin of oligarchy?

True.
And democracy has her own good, of which the insatiable desire brings her to dissolution?

What good?
Freedom, I replied; which, as they tell you in a democracy, is the glory of the State --and that therefore in a democracy alone will the freeman of nature deign to dwell.

Yes; the saying is in everybody's mouth.
I was going to observe, that the insatiable desire of this and the neglect of other things introduces the change in democracy, which occasions a demand for tyranny.

How so?
When a democracy which is thirsting for freedom has evil cupbearers presiding over the feast, and has drunk too deeply of the strong wine of freedom, then, unless her rulers are very amenable and give a plentiful draught, she calls them to account and punishes them, and says that they are cursed LIBERALS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE_MpQhgtQ8
 


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Mitt Romney on January 12, 2016, 11:31:06 pm
Gosh, what a bunch of swell visions on Atlantis. And I hope that you all vote Republican this year so that America doesn't go the way of those Atlantean gents and sinks beneath the waves.


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Elmer Jessup on January 13, 2016, 12:09:53 am
Larry, your vision of Atlantis sounds like a certain country I know.  Are you sure you're not talking about America?


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Hermocrates on January 14, 2016, 12:04:45 pm
I occasionally visit the Atlantipedia site to keep myself up to date on what is new on Atlantis, and where our dear beloved, "missing," island continent has been found. I have to admit that I'm not completely devoted to the task of keeping track with the latest news about it, nor am I completely familiar with all literature and claims about Atlantis that has surfaced in the past 50 years or so. But apparently whomever maintains the Atlantipedia web site is so dedicated and enamored with the myth of Atlantis that he was moved to compiling just about everything anyone knows or tells about Atlantis. Further, being that he retains himself quite an expert on the subject, he therefore, besides presenting the persons and their ideas, giving all the necessary references, also gives a short personal evaluation as to the plausibility of meeting Plato's version. This site, for those that may not already be aware of it, is worth visiting for anyone that wants to get more familiar with whom is who, past and present, that seeks to prove the verity of Atlantis, and where and when it may have existed, or still exists, but unrecognizable due to time passage.

As I was saying, in visiting this Atlantipedia site, the very latest had been the posting of yet, another claim, as to where Atlantis was supposed to have been, as given us by a British scientist and author of a very recent book of his; About Atlantis: Finding the lost city of Atlantis,  paperback – 17 Nov 2015. And here is a quick introduction about the book, as posted on Amazon.com. Which, in it, the author is claiming that the Northern Italian PO valley is supposed to be the very plain surrounding the royal capital city of Atlantis.

"When someone says Atlantis, you probably think of a large island that suddenly disappeared below the sea and vanished forever. The story of Atlantis is based on legends dating back three thousand years, these stories are actual dim recollections of real events. With the passage of time the truth has become clouded by myth. An ancient natural disaster swept away a large city at the top of the Adriatic where the Po valley is. Over thousands of years the sea was forced back and the place where Atlantis had once been again became dry land. Twenty years of painstaking and thorough research coupled with major advances in technology have finally stripped away the myth from the fact and revealed the truth behind the legends. The ancient records can now be seen to tell the true story of a catastrophe that changed the course of history and is still remembered to this day."

For those that are not familiar with this Northern Italian region, nor versed in fine culinary traditions, should know that it is the very region from where we get the famous cheese, Parmigiano, and a special ham, Prosciutto, both from the city of Parma (parmesan cheese, and cured raw ham, for the ignorant not watching any of the cooking shows on the cable/satellite channels). But the region is especially noted for their Mortadella. But Mortadella comes from another city, also located within the Po valley, and which is Bologna. Why do I emphasize the Mortadella? Because the city of Bologna, where the origin of Mortadella is supposed to have come from, is also where we get our name for our famous, but cheap version of the imitation of Mortadella, and which goes by the name of  "bologna sausage." But the point I want to make is not strictly culinary, but is relevant to one of my posts here about all the "junk" food we are being fed about Atlantis, and the way which most will devour it, with fervor pitch, and easily swallow this junk. Where is the connection with Mortadella and the author's claim? It is this. When one hears or reads something very absurd, totally unfounded, lacking logic, evidence, and any other acceptable, substantiated proof, we have a term for that, which we express it in this way; Boloney! And this author, with his claims about the Po valley and Atlantis, is full of BOLONEY!   

Now, as far as I'm concerned, I know all about Atlantis, what it means, where and when, and exactly what was on Plato's mind in writing about it. Although this claim of mine sounds and looks arrogant, conceited, and totally absurd, if taken seriously, is not mere boloney. Or as others may see it, is just something that seems to be sarcastic towards those that are trying to justify and put credence to their dreams and visions about reincarnation, since my, seemly, and outrageous claim of knowing for certain is based on my own reincarnation suspicions of my soul having been Plato's own master. Then, someone may, and justly I may add, ask if I'm not even more full of boloney? Yes, and yes, and yes; three times yes. But give me time, and I will show that I have fed on the more noble and much more expensive meat, Prosciutto. Although, like bologna sausage, also coming from swine, but unlike it, since bologna is "cooked-up" and prosciutto is raw meat, which requires a special long-time curing process, and interval driven, specifically-timed sensitive treatment methods, besides also requiring a particular, controlled environment, to achieve and rendering prosciutto its savory, pleasant, and outstanding taste, in the end. These expensive and painstaking procedures, besides giving the meat such a wonderful and delightfully unbelievable flavor, they also render the meat more digestible, even to newborn babes being weaned off milk.... If you get my meaning.  But as I was saying, I have to give my prosciutto to all of you a little at a time, since prosciutto is salted as part of the process of "creation," and it contains high levels of sodium. Therefore I don't want any of you to suffer from high blood pressure. And the old saying of taking this with only a grain of salt is not appropriate, since you will have to take it with a "shtttttt" load of salt! Mine is good salt, though. Therefore be cheerful, as Jesus said this about good salt; "Therefore, salt is good; but if even salt has become tasteless, with what will it be seasoned? "It is useless either for the soul or for the manure pile; it is thrown out. He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

In time, with good salt, I will attempt to prove that we, those that are Atlanteans, as Edgar Cayce told us, are reincarnating in the USA. Therefore, as Donald the duck declares, no foreigners are welcome in the good Old U ass of A. Or in this case, no one foreign to Plato's and Cayce's works needs to chime in on this "dreamy" thread started back in 2007, but left to stale in time. And this is why I'm attempting to resurrected it, to reincarnate it with some savory meat, and not mere boloney. But Prosciutto, unlike bologna sausage, is mostly lean meat, whereas bologna is mostly fat. So let us cut out the "fat" parts and images on this thread. Especially duck meat, which is very fat indeed, and let us, by words and deeds, elect to, Trump the boloney.

My own predicament in trying to convey my sentiments about the matter is quite, remarkably mirrored in music, my kind of music. And for which, this tune, coincidently or not,  kind of reflects and expresses my own outrageous claim of, uniquely, knowing Plato's very own mind. I have reincarnated to ring the division bell; separate the goats from the sheep. I'm coming back to life to set the record straight about Atlantis. Any bird brains out there , please, pay attention!
 
Where were you when I was burned and broken
While the days slipped by from my window watching
And where were you when I was hurt and I was helpless
Because the things you say and the things you do surround me
While you were hanging yourself on someone else's words
Dying to believe in what you heard
I was staring straight into the shining sun
Lost in thought and lost in time
While the seeds of life and the seeds of change were planted
Outside the rain fell dark and slow
While I pondered on this dangerous but irresistible pastime
I took a heavenly ride through our silence
I knew the moment had arrived
For killing the past and coming back to life
I took a heavenly ride through our silence
I knew the waiting had begun
And headed straight into the shining sun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjoPWxmOCtc


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Hermocrates on January 15, 2016, 12:32:23 pm
Here is another example that I ran into of pure speculative nonsense for identifying an Atlantis location. It is an essay to fortify the idea that Plato plagiarized from Hanno's journey log to come up with the tale of Atlantis. I have cited a couple of small passages to make some points. I selected these because of the insinuations made about Plato's mental state, and also because of the hypocritical nature of the author of the "essay."

"Once it is understood what was the true nature and scope of Hanno’s discoveries, it becomes possible to face the hoary problem of the location of the island of Atlantis described by Plato." "Therefore, it is not surprising that the voyage of Hanno influenced Plato’s image of the ideal city."

" The majority of modern classical scholars have interpreted Plato so as to make him appear to have written his dialogues in a state of mental frenzy and made pronouncements that are as profound as they are incomprehensible or absurd. By this they have provided a justification to pathological characters whose minds conform to this description. As a result books on the subject of the location of the Island of Atlantis mentioned by Plato, written by graphomaniacs with pseudoscientific delusions, appear at the rate of about one every year or every two years. Since classical scholars have presented Plato’s statements as being totally chaotic and self-contradictory, this has made it possible to place Atlantis anywhere on the surface of the earth and even at the bottom of the seas, since Plato reports that most of the territory of Atlantis was sunk under water. It would be probably easier to list the areas of the globe where Atlantis has not been placed, but I shall not try to draw such a map, since I do not know but a fraction of the literature on the subject, although I have perused more than one hundred books and essays specifically dedicated to the location of Atlantis. All I can say is that the explanations written by academic persons in their commentaries on Plato’s works are somewhat duller and less imaginative, but not more rational."

Wow, Plato wrote his dialogues in a state of mental frenzy? This mindless statement clearly reflects total ignorance of having understood Plato.

But I think that whomever authored the above piece is rather looking in the mirror when he/she accuses others of being graphomaniacs with pseudoscientific delusions. Why, the pot is calling the kettle black.

However, personally, I would say to this person: How can you say to your brothers, 'Let me take the specks out of your eyes,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the specks out of your brothers' eyes.

In my own case, as it appears outwardly, I would do good to follow my own advice, but it's not quite the same. It's more like: "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Now this piece on Hanno's journey and how it relates as having inspired Plato continues, but I'm not going to expound on the rest, and will just re-quote a portion of the above, and comment.

"Since classical scholars have presented Plato’s statements as being totally chaotic and self-contradictory, this has made it possible to place Atlantis anywhere on the surface of the earth and even at the bottom of the seas."

Well for this statement, the classical scholars were obviously only referring to the myth of Atlantis, and has some merit, but missed the mark all together, nonetheless. It is true that to someone who has no idea who Plato is, and what the tale of Atlantis is meant to be, Plato's own description of the particulars for the tale of Atlantis are, outwardly, totally chaotic and self-contradictory, as I have, myself, pointed out. 

Without needing to further cite the complete argument that Plato came up with Atlantis based on Hanno's journey, nor without citing the original source, since it was someone else that first brought forth this argument, as a base, using Hanno's account of one of his voyages, because many here may already be familiar with it, and if not, it can be looked up easy enough, I will say this. It is this kind of nonsense (complete imaginative speculations, baseless and itself self-contradictory to Plato's account and logical reasoning) of which we have tons and tons of it, which makes one lose complete faith in believing that the tale could be true. And then, one becomes a sort of misologist.

No worse thing can happen to a person than this. For as there are misanthropists or haters of men, there are also misologists or haters of ideas, and both spring from the same cause, which is ignorance of the world. Misanthropy arises out of the too great confidence of inexperience; — you trust a man and think him altogether true and sound and faithful, and then in a little while he turns out to be false and knavish; and then another and another, and when this has happened several times to a person, especially when it happens among those whom they deem to be their own most trusted and familiar friends, and they have often quarreled with them, they at last hate all men, and believe that no one has any good in themselves at all. You must have observed this trait of character?
 
Now there, I was led on by you to say more than I had intended at this time; but the point of comparison was, that when a simple person who has no skill in dialectics believes an argument to be true which they afterwards imagine to be false, whether really false or not, and then another and another, they have no longer any faith left, and great disputers, as you know, come to think at last that they have grown to be the wisest of mankind; for they alone perceive the utter unsoundness and instability of all arguments, or indeed, of all things, which, like the currents in the Euripus, are going up and down in never-ceasing ebb and flow.

Yes, and how melancholy, if there be such a thing as truth or certainty or possibility of knowledge — that a person should have lighted upon some argument or other which at first seemed true and then turned out to be false, and instead of blaming themselves and their own want of wit, because they are annoyed, should at last be too glad to transfer the blame from themselves to arguments in general: and forever afterwards should hate and revile them, and lose truth and the knowledge of realities.

Let us then, in the first place, be careful of allowing or of admitting into our souls the notion that there is no health or soundness in any arguments at all. Rather say that we have not yet attained to soundness in ourselves, and that we must struggle manfully and do our best to gain health of mind — you and all other people having regard to the whole of your future life, and I myself in the prospect of death and reincanation. For at this moment I am sensible that I have not the temper of a philosopher; like the vulgar, I am only a partisan. Now the partisan, when he is engaged in a dispute, cares nothing about the rights of the question, but is anxious only to convince his hearers of his own assertions. And the difference between him and me at the present moment is merely this — that whereas he seeks to convince his hearers that what he says is true, I am rather seeking to convince myself; to convince my hearers is a secondary matter with me. And do but see how much I gain by the argument. For if what I say is true, then I do well to be persuaded of the truth, but if there be nothing after death, still, during the short time that remains, I shall not distress my friends with lamentations, and my ignorance will not last, but will die with me, and therefore no harm will be done. This is the state of mind in which I approach the argument. And I would ask you to be thinking of the truth and not of me: agree with me, if I seem to you to be speaking the truth; or if not, withstand me might and main, that I may not deceive you as well as myself in my enthusiasm, and like the bee, leave my sting in you before I die.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7bIbVlIqEc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvhHW8gBBUc#t=409


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Hermocrates on January 20, 2016, 09:34:25 am
Just look at this stuff. Are we to believe this nonsense, and then ridicule the very truth about Atlantis?

"There are endless opportunities when we meditate. Because of it, along with my dreams, I've uncovered memories of the lost empire, Atlantis, buried within my subconscious. A part of me has always known of the ancient world deep down, but I'd never given it much thought until an intense "dream" that I later learned my sister and paranormal friends shared. In it, their was a massive volcanic eruption was shattering everything in sight. I was amongst the few kids who had the chance to run for our lives. We tore away from the most amazing crystal city imaginable to head for a ring of water. (Atlantis was made up of rings of land and sea)

We had almost escaped with our lives into the harsh waves acting like demonic claws desperately trying to trip us when I realized someone had been left behind. I don't recall who it was, but a sudden sense of dread washed over me and I found it hard to breath. I raced back into the nightmare on my own despite almost making it out alive. There were flames and ashes everywhere as I burnt to death, never catching another glimpse of whoever I had gone back for. I could literally feel the flames as I awoke in panic. I knew this was no ordinary "dream" but a vision of the past.

Soon I began seeing more and more visions of candle ceremonies and crystals. I had always had an intense fascination with both for as long as I could remember without understanding why. I felt as though they were a part of me. After these visions got me thinking, I did some research and found many people had memories of Atlantis and of crystals associated with them. Coincidence? I think not. My sister, Danny, Chloe (see "Other Realms") and others have described the very same memories. Danny says I had a premonition of its fall back then, but no one believed me until it came true. Have any of you had visions of Atlantis?"  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o



There is no way that a normal person would ingest the above. It's poison I tell you. It's poison for your mind. It's verbal "LSD" and takes you on "trip" to the land that time forgot. There you will see just about anything.

We need to get back to our roots, Plato's roots; logic and reason. No more cheap and poor "sophists" to tells us fairy tales.

I know that we are all anxious for news about our love, Atlantis; where, when, and how. But all good things take time. I'm willing to wait even a million years, while shedding a million tears reading all the nonsense about Atlantis.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PZd23YEzTc


Oh my love, true Atlantis, wherever the others think you were, I know that the heart goes on! I believe you to be true and faithful to Plato's description, and still alive. You are here, in my heart, and not there, in their dead imagination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFPXrM9ZW3M


I don't see Plato's beautiful Atlantis in any of their stories, it's all cleaver makeup. My Atlantis, I will always love you the way you are, the way I remember you! We are in times of trouble, and I will not leave you they way they describe you, dead and buried, on land or at sea; it's not you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKG43Z5NcgQ


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Hermocrates on January 20, 2016, 11:47:35 am
Just more little pieces of "ground" meat, that is about 95% fat (boloney) content. Einstein being the 5% meat.

""""" ATLANTIS and The Kingdom of The Neanderthals

Colin Wilson, the author of two previous books on the mystery of Atlantis, has recently written a new volume on that ancient lost land. His book, ‘Atlantis and the Kingdom of the Neanderthals’ is an enthralling read, offering many original insights and theories. Wilson starts his book with a preface detailing the experience of the anthropologist Michael Harner who, under the influence of a native Andes Indian drink called ‘ayahuasca’ saw what he believed to be the truth of humanities origins.  In a form of induced hallucinogenic trance Harner ‘saw’ the whole land flooded as water gushed from the jaws of a huge crocodile. The water rose until it became a sea, then a galleon floated into view with bird headed creatures that reminded him of the ancient Egyptian tomb paintings. These creatures told him that they were the bringers of all life and lived within the bodies of every living thing on this planet.  These bird-headed humans said that they were the true masters of humanity and that man was their servant. Wilson presents this as a possible vision of The Flood that destroyed the continent of Atlantis. However, the idea that bird-headed beings created humankind is perhaps, for most reasonable people, a difficult concept.
Then there is the question of Atlantis itself, as many believe the story of this lost continent to be nothing more than pure mythology.  One argument discussed by Wilson in his book is that Atlantis may have been Antarctica. In support of this theory Wilson introduces the work of professor Charles Hapgood who declared that the earth’s crust is subjected to periodic shifts that can cause continents to change their positions. Hapgood suggested that the continent of Antarctica  shifted approximately twelve thousand years ago. This is no pie in the sky total nonsense as the foreward to Hapgood’s book on the subject ‘Earth’s Shifting Crust’ was written by none other than Albert Einstein.  It was the scientist Rand Flem-Ath that took the hypothesis of Hapgood and applied it to the Atlantis question arriving at the potential conclusion that it may once have been the land that is now known as Antarctica....""""  and on, and on.


Everyone is butchering Atlantis, chopping her down into hundreds of pieces of every shape and proportion imaginable. This can only happen when the cleaver being used by these butchers and boloney sausage sellers is imagination. There is no truth there, there is not any solid meat; it's mostly "grounded fat," groundless lies, and not the heavenly solid meat of truth. Dreams, dreams, and more dreams about people dreaming about Atlantis. Nightmares they are, and not true dreams from above. Like all nightmares, it's not the truth; wake up to reality, you fools, don't you know that we can never win with false dreams? It's a "riddle!" And that is why Cayce hinted about finding Atlantis' hall of records under the paw of the Egyptian Sphinx. The hall of records, symbolizing the place where one finds the recorded evidence of truth. What Cayce really wanted us to know is that Atlantis is a riddle for us to answer; a prophecy to unfold for our own times. Think of the Greek Sphinx. We have better find the answer to the riddle or we will eaten alive.

The only way we will be able to solve the riddle of Atlantis is not by "dreams" and visions, nor by vivid merchandisable imagination. Only by reason, logic, and understanding will we be able to save ourselves. We have to soar through all the dreams to get to oblivion, from whence the prophecy came from.

And this is the kind of music that Socrates and the Guardians would approve of very much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV_VMBZkwTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvicwbiGVoU

AL DI LA, WHERE THE ABSOLUTE BEAUTIFUL AND GOOD, AND WISE, LOVING FATHER AND CREATOR IS!  I had a dream too. I dreamed that God lives in Italy and must be Italian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwAPdCFJWaA

If you like all the music I have been pointing to, go and buy it, like I did. However, enough of music, and dreams, let's get down to business; Atlantis is not any old myth, it's prophetic inspiration given to us by Plato, through that beautiful and heavenly creature, Socrates. And although he was not very beautiful outside, there was never one as beautiful and wise, inside. Only God is more beautiful, inside and out, and wiser throughout.   



Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: War God of the Deep on February 18, 2016, 09:18:05 pm
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However, the idea that bird-headed beings created humankind is perhaps, for most reasonable people, a difficult concept.

Why not, do you have something against bird-headed beings?

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Then there is the question of Atlantis itself, as many believe the story of this lost continent to be nothing more than pure mythology.  One argument discussed by Wilson in his book is that Atlantis may have been Antarctica. In support of this theory Wilson introduces the work of professor Charles Hapgood who declared that the earth’s crust is subjected to periodic shifts that can cause continents to change their positions. Hapgood suggested that the continent of Antarctica  shifted approximately twelve thousand years ago.

Many find Hapgood's earth crust displacement a perfectly plausible hypothesis, Albert Einstein certainly did. Sorry that it doesn't quite measure up to your lofty standards.


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: PopeRiley on October 31, 2016, 07:40:44 am
I have had a recurring theme in my dreams over the past few months. I'm 14 and live in Ohio. I will be having a normal( I guess, normal) dream and all of a sudden we'll be in a woods. I and whoever I'm with come out into a clearing. The scenery here is breathtaking. Beautiful green grass, nice sky, bright sun, etc. There is a row of buildings on a hill about 100 or so feet away. I have an overwhelming feeling that it's a timeline of human history. In my most recent dream, I was exploring the woods with my grandfather. All at once, he exclaims, " I can see the future!" and takes off running. I follow him and we come out in the clearing. I almost woke up, because I knew I had seen this place before in my dreams. This is the first time any reference to time has occurred. Now, I'll describe the buildings. It starts off with just like old fashioned buildings, skyscrapers mostly. It goes to like current time office buildings and penthouses, huge buildings with bright lights. The very last building, however, is why I think it connects to Atlantis. It appears to be a gargantuan palace. It resembles a Muslim mosque, like something straight out of the Aladdin movie. Except, the domes of the palace are shaped like fish mouths. The palace is tan and turquoise. There is a monument behind it that is bigger than the palace. It resembles a large fish, or perhaps a whale. Even though Atlantis is supposed to be the past, there is just an eerie feeling that it's somehow the future. All the people are gathered around the palace in a courtyard of sorts. I can somehow see into the windows of the upper part of the palace. There is a large balcony with a room behind it. In the room, a man is waiting, I presume waiting to give a speech on the balcony to the Atlantean people. He is surrounded by large, muscular men, several out on the balcony, as well as crowd control. He never makes it out on the balcony though, because he either falls down due to sudden illness, or is assassinated. I can't be sure, but I think he is assassinated. I'm very confused by this dream, as well as the timeline with the buildings showing up in recurring dreams. If someone can help interpret or provide some info, please reply. Thanks.


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: Oliver on November 07, 2016, 08:54:01 am
PopeRiley....That is quite a dream. Are you 14 years old in the dream, or are you actually 14 years old? Because if you are 14 years old, then it would be strange that someone your age would be interested in Atlantis, but it would not be farfetched that you may be dreaming about underwater cartoons, Acquaman, Finding Nemo, The Little Mermaid, or other such water oriented cartoons. But if you are an adult, just how much did you know about Atlantis before you had the dream? I do not grasp just how you would imagine that you had a dream about Atlantis from what you posted. And most of all, how can you assume that, in your dream, Atlantis is a futuristic realm rather than the one everyone knows from experts and crackpots alike, which, if Atlantis is a real story, then it is one of the past and not of the future. In conclusion, I do not think that there is a valid reason for getting an interpretation, as you just had a "normal" dream. Dreams, for 99.9999% of us, are not meant to have a purpose, as the experts tell us that it is just the resting mind unwinding from our hectic awake hours, and nothing more. Rarely, people have very specific and recurring dreams that somehow are relative to reality and have a purpose, usually one of foretelling the future; in other words, prophetic like. How often have you had this same dream, and can you relate it to any of your awake emotions, likes, fears, and wishes? But perhaps you are like one of those that have posted on this site, stating that they believe they have had these kinds of dreams of having visited/lived in Atlantis, which are mainly dreams of having been, in another previous life (reincarnation), a citizen of the long ago land of Atlantis. Also keep in mind that there is only one Plato's Atlantis, and many other accounts of an Atlantis that are far and wide and greatly distorted, exaggerated, and in a few cases, also having a technology greater than our present day one, which deviate from the original source, Plato, as these variants began surfacing in the past 200 years or so. 


Title: Re: Dreams of Atlantis
Post by: tn1387 on September 11, 2018, 06:15:45 pm
I know its been a few years since this post was made, but I have been trying to find others who have had Atlantis dreams to see if I have any similarities. I am not sure if I dreamed of Atlantis all those years ago or if it was some other place...but I do know that it was the most vivid and realistic dream I had ever experienced. I have never had a dream that felt that way with just detailed sounds and sights or even smells. I have not had the dream since.

I can recall it was when I was about 13. At that time I knew nothing about Atlantis, never even really heard of the place much less what it was. In this dream, I was in a room surrounded by individuals
who were doing some sort of medical experiments. I wanted to look closer and see what it was they were doing when I noticed a commotion out in the hall. I ran out with a few others to look out the window of the building we were in. We were in the central part of a city, it looked like dead center and we were pretty high up, I recall seeing several beams of light coming from a shoreline across a lake...or maybe a strait or something. They were shining toward the top of our building. I didn't really count but at first glance, there did look to be anywhere from 10-12 of them.

We were all staring not at the beams of light, but at what there were doing, they seemed to pulse and flicker occasionally. Every time they did, I could feel the floor of the building vibrate. With each successive flicker, the vibrations got stronger. I knew something was off, so I went up to the top of the building to see what was going on. At the top was the very open room. It looked like a dome overhead and there was this large pyramid shape in the middle but it seemed to have two interlocked, one upright and one upside down inside each other. It looked transparent like a crystal which is what the building walls, floors, and ceiling looked like.
I remember the beams of light I had saw out the window were all striking this object in the center of the room. Surrounding it were twelve men and women who were holding hands to form a circle. Each of them gazing at this object in the middle and emitting these beautiful colors, each one their own color. There was this kind of ethereal music coming from the colors and it looked like they were trying to fix something. As the beams of light began to grow more erratic in their pulses I decided that maybe I should start looking at getting out of here while I can, I just felt like I needed to go now or die. As I made my way down the stairs I would pass others and in a calm but slightly panicked state would urge them to evacuate the building. They all just gave me this reassuring gaze that everything is ok and being taken care of.

When reaching the bottom I could see down a street clear to the docks, there were ships docked there taking on a few passengers as normal. The roadway wasn't pavement...it was like a highly smooth cobblestone feeling. I started to run to the boats, I was going to just take a trip somewhere until things settled down.
I didn't get more than a few feet before I started to noticed the beams of light above me flickering constantly now and one by one they each went out. Still, people were not as panicked as I seemed to be. I started to hear this really low hum oscillating from the building I had just left. All of a sudden the hum turned into this horrific combination of screeching, high pitched whining, and dissonance. I had to cover my ears it was so bad. I couldn't do anything but cover my ears in pain as the sound rang through the city. After a minute or two I could hear the noise start to rise in pitch...like it was building up or something, that's when I noticed the top part of the tower that I was in completely exploded raining huge chunks of crystalline structure over the city. It became apparent now that people were in a huge state of panic.

I looked back toward the dock and started to run that way again when I noticed the sea wall that was along the shore of the city seemed to be very close to the surface of the water. The ocean began spilling over it and creeping up the roadway. By this point, there were these types of aircraft that seemed to work on the same principle as a helicopter but there were no blades moving on it. They were evacuating panicked citizens but there weren't enough and the boats at the dock were cut off. People were literally swimming to the boats and being pulled under the water by the flow of water as it was breaching the city. I remember looking over to the left and seeing this little girl, she looked about 6 or 7. She had this beautiful brown hair and was in a kind of beige dress. Her mom grabbed her and they headed to the roof of their house to escape the water.

Of course, I decided to run back to the tower I was in thinking I was safe. By the time I had reached a high enough floor to look out, I could see the water now covering more than 3/4ths of the city and it wasn't like a tsunami, it was like the city was just outright sinking even the opposite side of us, the coast I had seen the beams of light originate from was disappearing beneath the sea.
I looked down at the house where the little girl and her mother were, I couldn't believe it as I watched the water pour over the roof and the current rip them away. I didn't have time to grieve though, I heard this crack which sounded like a huge bolt of lightning and two more, it became apparent to me when the window I was looking out shattered, the crack had run up the crystal wall.

There was a deafening sound like a gunshot as I felt the tower I was in start to move, it was falling over onto the city and into the sea. I remember thinking this was it, it was all over, I woke up before I hit the water and I was so freaked it took me a few minutes to realize who I was and where I was. Being during the night time I wasn't sure what was going on. Years later I started to hear about Atlantis and research it more and I hear all these claims of Atlantean ruins and such...but everything I ever found concerning Atlantis just didn't seem right to me, I don't know how to explain it. Its like I want to go to these people and tell them they are wrong, Atlantis is nothing like what they are talking about, the place I saw would make a modern 2018 city look like a cave-dwelling by comparison. I know there are those who would say it's just an overactive imagination or a really trippy dream, but I can close my eyes sometimes and replay that entire event in my mind perfectly vivid as if it happened today and that was like 18 years ago, its the most vivid memory I have of my childhood. It honestly makes me wonder if I was just experiencing the event through someone's eyes or if it was me in a past life.