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Title: Paradise at the North Pole
Post by: rockessence on March 17, 2007, 01:58:19 am
The Bock Family history beats the scientists by 22 years!

North Pole Looked Like Paradise

Associated Press 15:20 PM May, 31, 2006

WASHINGTON -- Scientists have found what might have been the ideal ancient vacation hot spot with a 74-degree Fahrenheit average temperature, alligator ancestors and palm trees. It's smack in the middle of the Arctic.

First-of-its-kind core samples dug up from deep beneath the Arctic Ocean floor show that 55 million years ago an area near the North Pole was practically a subtropical paradise, three new studies show.

The scientists say their findings are a glimpse backward into a much-warmer-than-thought polar region heated by run-amok greenhouse gases that came about naturally.

Skeptics of man-made causes of global warming have nothing to rejoice over, however. The researchers say their studies appearing in Thursday's issue of Nature also offer a peek at just how bad conditions can get.

"It probably was (a tropical paradise) but the mosquitoes were probably the size of your head," said Yale geology professor Mark Pagani, a study co-author.

And what a watery, swampy world it must have been.

"Imagine a world where there are dense sequoia trees and cypress trees like in Florida that ring the Arctic Ocean," said Pagani, a member of the multinational Arctic Coring Expedition that conducted the research.

Millions of years ago the Earth experienced an extended period of natural global warming. But around 55 million years ago there was a sudden supercharged spike of carbon dioxide that accelerated the greenhouse effect.

Scientists already knew this "thermal event" happened but are not sure what caused it. Perhaps massive releases of methane from the ocean, the continent-sized burning of trees, lots of volcanic eruptions.

Many experts figured that while the rest of the world got really hot, the polar regions were still comfortably cooler, maybe about 52 degrees Fahrenheit.

But the new research found the polar average was closer to 74 degrees. So instead of Boston-like weather year-round, the Arctic was more like Miami North. Way north.

"It's the first time we've looked at the Arctic, and man, it was a big surprise to us," said study co-author Kathryn Moran, an oceanographer at the University of Rhode Island. "It's a new look to how the Earth can respond to these peaks in carbon dioxide."

It's enough to make Santa Claus break into a sweat.

The 74-degree temperature, based on core samples which act as a climatic time capsule, was probably the year-round average, but because data is so limited it might also be just the summertime average, researchers said.

What's troubling is that this hints that future projections for warming, several degrees over the next century, may be on the low end, said study lead author Appy Sluijs of the Institute of Environmental Biology at Utrecht University in the Netherlands.

Also it shows that what happened 55 million years ago was proof that too much carbon dioxide -- more than four times current levels -- can cause global warming, said another co-author Henk Brinkhuis at Utrecht University.

Purdue University atmospheric sciences professor Gabriel Bowen, who was not part of the team, praised the work and said it showed that "there are tipping points in our (climate) system that can throw us to these conditions."

And the new research also gave scientists the idea that a simple fern may have helped pull Earth from a hothouse to an icehouse by sucking up massive amounts of carbon dioxide. Unfortunately, this natural solution to global warming was not exactly quick: It took about a million years.

With all that heat and massive freshwater lakes forming in the Arctic, a fern called Azolla started growing and growing. Azolla, still found in warm regions today, grew so deep, so wide that eventually it started sucking up carbon dioxide, Brinkhuis theorized. And that helped put the cool back in the Arctic.

Bowen said he has a hard time accepting that part of the research, but Brinkhuis said the studies show tons upon tons of thick mats of Azolla covered the Arctic and moved south.

"This could actually contribute to push the world to a cooling mode," Brinkhuis said, but only after it got hotter first and then it would take at least 800,000 years to cool back down. It's not something to look forward to, he said.,71042-0.html?tw=rss.index

Title: Re: Paradise at the North Pole
Post by: rockessence on March 17, 2007, 02:09:30 am
More from Boreas at AR:

Paradise Found
The Cradle of the Human Race at the North Pole
A Study of the Prehistoric World

by William F. Warren (Paperback - Mar 2003)


This book is a thoroughly serious and sincere attempt to present what is to the author's mind the true and final solution of one of the greatest and most fascinating of all problems connected with the history of mankind: the reality of a place which is Eden. Selected contents: The location of Eden: state of the question; the results of explorers, historic and legendary; the results of theologians; primitive Eden at the North Pole, the testimony of astronomical geography, the testimony of physiographical geology, the testimony of prehistoric climatology.

Check inside;

Title: Re: Paradise at the North Pole
Post by: rockessence on March 17, 2007, 02:13:12 am
This may be of relevant interest Boreasi.

There's a petrified forest in Antarctica peeking through perpetual snow where today nothing bigger than bacteria grows. The trees resemble today's Christmas trees, but instead of needles they had leaves (see photo) The trees grew thickly (a thousand or more per acre) and tall (up to 80 feet). They are dated late Permian, 260 million years ago, one of many times when Earth appears to be have been much warmer than today.

Two of the basic assumptions on which radiometric dating is based are that the Earth is an isolated body in space unaffected by interactions with other bodies and that the decay constant is a constant. No matter what, no matter where, the half-life of a particular radioactive isotope remains the same.
Catastrophists, who collect evidence that the Earth has been subjected to discontinuous and disruptive events, are quick to point out the flaws in radiometric dating results.

Title: Re: Paradise at the North Pole
Post by: Mark of Australia on March 18, 2007, 06:51:23 am
Several of the maps in Hapgoods 'Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings' show islands in the Arctic. I mean there are islands where there is now nothing but solid ice ...If the arctic was temperate and civilisation mapped it ..maybe this has a bearing on the idea of civilisation during the Ice Age in Scandinavia.

Title: Re: Paradise at the North Pole
Post by: rockessence on March 20, 2007, 01:37:47 pm
Thanks Mark,

The Arctic Ocean has been ice-free, or nearly so in the Climatic Optimum about 3000 or so years ago.  There are likely many signs of habitation to be found ringing the Arctic Ocean.   If Felice Vinci's theory is correct then we have actually read about quite a lot of them in myths and in Homer. 

Regarding your comment about 'semen" in the Georgeos thread, I will answer here so as not to confuse that thread any further:


I suppose there is a lot in any line of ancient history that would turn one away from reading further.  Included would be countless horrible acts committed by "respected" personages for personal, tyrannical, or religious gain, yet we think nothing of reading in great detail about it.  Regarding the drinking of semen, this is a factor of religious and community life that was part of humanities growth for literally eons, and was hinted at, cloaked, by ancient writers, as by the time there was writing, the ancient ways had gone into "mystery" mode. 

Context is everything when examining history.   Even today that is true.  I don't eat meat and perhaps you do.

The fact that the Aser did this can be examined on several levels.  Their diet consisted of roots, berries, fruits and etc in the beginning.  Certainly not a nutrition to thrive on, yet a very clean source of material.  Their sperm would have been a very different "product" than one produced by the males of this time, consisting of the residual toxcicity of our time.  So the basic nutrition provided by the ritual intake of this proven highly nutritious source seems "correct".

The sperm-system was a very strict form of family planning, and it was intended to be such.  Procreational sex was strictly limited to intentional forming of a new human, and was performed ritually at exact times of the year, although the shareing of 'wisdom-water" was between friends both male and female, as I understand it, and not prohibited at all.

There is a lot that can and should be written further but I will stop now!

I found it hard to read about the Inquisition.

Title: Re: Paradise at the North Pole
Post by: Mark of Australia on March 21, 2007, 12:28:14 am
Well I guess it is all a part of the study of ancient  culture . It wasn't necessarily the unusual custom with their sperm that turned me off .It's probably more that it seemed that it could maybe be a hoax , I think I recall now that I stopped reading about it when I got to parts where the family had degenerated into squabbling and wretchedness ,skullduggery ,that kind of thing. I just thought ,my time would be better spent on something with more solid evidence.. 

If there is something to this Bock saga I will weigh in I guess if something more concrete comes to light. I will finish reading the main part though.

Since I already assume the Arctic has had Ice free periods ,like during the last so-called Ice Age ,it is not that much of a stretch for me to atleast consider the Bock Saga.

I don't know about it being significantly freer of Ice only 3000 years ago,although that reminds me of the Dwarf Mammoths that survived on Wrangel Island in the Arctic near Bering Strait up until about 3500 years ago.Contrary to popular belief ,the mammoths didnt really have adaption to cold climate ,they were used to temperate climates.