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Title: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on December 25, 2007, 03:35:48 pm
My first post at AR:

Hello all, I am a big fan of the forums section of Atlantis Rising, but would like to touch on a subject here that I've never seen discussed in the forum archives.
This topic is more an ancient mystery, rather than something related to U.F.O.'s, so I thought I might post it here. Much has been made about the little gray aliens and alien abductions. No one has ever talked about the other breed of alien, the blond-haired, Nordic aliens that seem to be waging a war against them, our benefactors. Several times, these beings appear in warnings about the grays and look just like us, except more beautiful.

It's my opinion that these beings have something to do with the lost Atlantis. I have always seen Atlanteans as tall and blonde. Maybe I'm being prejudiced about that being a blonde myself, but I also feel that they may have inspired the tradition of the gods and angels. The archangel Michael, for instance, may be, or may have been mistaken for one of these beings in one of the many encounters written about him. I'll post some information about these beings so you know what I am talking about, then hopefully we can all discuss it.



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on December 25, 2007, 03:37:20 pm
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http://www.abduct.com/worley/worley18.htm
Donald Worley, Alien Abduction Researcher

NORDIC ALIEN TYPE EXPERIENCES
In the abduction syndrome, most of the attention is on the Gray type Humanoids. However we really need to be looking at the often blonde Nordic-type entities who appear to be a vital element in all of it. Who are they? Why are they here? What is their moral orientation? These questions are of upmost gravity for our human species.

For the last 38 years, I have specialized for them most part in alien human abduction and the Nordic-type aliens. My conclusions are based on 50 Nordic cases out of my total of 150 cases, and data from other sources. Generally the following description applies to most Nordics.

Nordics look human with beautiful angular faces. They are tall, have long blonde hair, breathtaking bottomless blue eyes changeable with emotion, and wear skin-tight suits or flowing white robes. Giant over 7 feet Nordics and human-sized ones also exist. Females and rarely children are seen.

Other hair colors have been reported. Their telepathic communications are soothing and they can project an intense feeling of love for the abductee. Some persons have remained in a euphoric state for weeks after an altered state episode with one. Let us look a series of my cases and see what they may be telling us. Case names are sometimes pseudonyms.


PENNY SMITH, BA is a degree holder Ontario from Canada. Penny wondered what was happening to her and kept a diary. Finally her Nordic friends began to answer her questions. As in a number of these cases she has been shown scenes of vast destruction and told to move from her lakeside home.

Penny has observed the beings along with the Grays, all in one place. She said, "The blonds wore shiny, one piece light blue suits. I saw no separate shoes or gloves. The texture was silky-smooth. The hand looked like leather but when I touched it felt like the exoskeleton of an insect.

The only symbol I remember is a dragon-like snake with wings. The males were handsome with angular faces and the only emotion they displayed was serene amusement until they began to talk mentally to me. The place had a beautiful glow and atmosphere of serenity.

Most of the beings looked young, but some looked young, but there were some there who looked older, with beards and flowing robes. I had an intense longing for these beings after I left them. An intense love-respect, and awe when I was with them. " now let us move on to another good case where we learn still more.


DONNA BUTTS, Kansas housewife.

Here too, we have their tendency to predict a coming disaster for Earth. We also see their occasional surprising tendency to enter our physical dimension in what appears to be a flesh and blood form. Before Donna was born a "man of light" told her mother that the coming child would be a "prepared child."

In a November incident, a large truck traveling on I-70 in Kansas was hit by a beam of light and Donna who was behind it had her first abduction. [AAER Note: Other people have reported being nearly hit by a large truck just seconds before the start of a highway abduction, which has caused then to wonder if the image of a truck was a screen memory for a UFO.]

Donna first saw "Peter" when he parked near her at a local IGA store. He emerged from the store and put a stick of gum in his mouth, smiled at her and departed in a Rolls-Royce. He was a very handsome man, about 6 feet tall, had platinum blonde hair, striking blue eyes, a Grecian-featured face, and looked to be about 60 years old. In later encounters Donna did her best to photograph or record him but never succeeded.

At 2:00 a.m. one night, "Peter" appeared in the hallway of Donna's home. Once they were in the UFO her nightgown was removed and she was instructed to stand under a red light that caused her to feel electrified. In still another abduction, a device that Peter called a "Monotron" was implanted at the base of her brain.

Donna's case is very extensive and she too received the Earth devastation messages as well as many other predictions. When Donna went public her life became a living hell. One group branded her a satanic disciple and harassed her. Had these fanatics known the truth about the "Blonde Aliens " they would not have become so overwrought.

Then the day came when Peter appeared as a sparkling white figure in a uniform right in her front room. He looked solid enough but she and the others present could see though him before he faded away.

In the beginning of it all Donna had suspected him of being some kind of a nut, but now she knew better. Thoroughly dismayed, she sent the afternoon shaking and smoking cigarettes. Peter had urged her to receive his teachings, and now she was ready to listen. In the next abduction she was taken to a huge awesome throne room in a huge craft.

With Peter in the lead a number of things happened. She was given another light treatment, drank a hauntingly beautiful blue liquid, and received an implant through her ear. Later Donna was privileged to see many things and learn much. Her predictions as told to her by her benefactors are many.

Donna says, "We can look at the Bible with the understanding of advanced intelligence. It has been termed a coded message unable to be understood until the last days. These are most assuredly the last days."
THE HUTTERIAN REVEREND

Here we have an in-depth involvement with the Nordics of a leader and others in a major religious group occupying northern Europe and Canada. As a child the pastor was held on the lap of his lifetime-mentor "Gold" (golden sheen to the eyes) and watched what was done to his loved ones.

Over 300 lost time periods, and many abductions ( my file is large) recalled in 45 years. The crowning moment came when in a wild site as a large group held religious services six of the Nordics appeared and observed the service. The pastor has had intimate relations with his mentor, saw them breathe, eat, drink, lift "dumbed" (silenced) abductees out of a lake with their arms, and physically glide over the surface of the lake.

He has used their Asiatic style toilet as has my next listed abductee Michelle. Being a physician he knows their anatomy like his own and insists they are flesh and bone. His descriptions of some of the alien instruments employed on the head and reproductive areas of the human body are classics in themselves.


MICHELLE, New Hampshire, United States.

Since a child, Michelle has considered the Nordics as her other family. This long intimacy causes her to perceive them as true physical beings. Michelle says, " They are not Gods or angels. They are another race who are here because they are responsible for us. I have seen them breathe in the physical environment, but not in the non-physical state for there is nothing to breathe. I have seen them sit, lie down, have sex, but not go to the toilet. However I have used their stand up toilet (like the pastor).

Michelle too, has been shown details of massive Earth change. She also said, "It is the fear a person is living through that changes his or her perception of the experience."


PHOTO of Donald Worley, Abduction Researcher



Michelle continues, "Just because I'm not afraid doesn't mean I never was. The same for the nine other persons I know about. I can't tell you how many times we are referred to as 'alien lovers' or delusion-driven breeding stock because we are no longer afraid."

DIANE, MISSOURI, Rural housewife. Diane has had a lifetime of activity. Here is her description of one meeting with a Nordic. " As I lay listening to grandma's TV in the front room, a very tall being appeared at the foot of my elevated bed. He was male, had long blonde hair, and wore a long white gown tied at the waist. I don't remember the features of his face except I thought he was beautiful. He also had white wings on his back that went from the top of his head to his feet.


As he started to fade I asked him his name. He said his name was Michael the Archangel. I never knew what an angel was then. I ran to Grandma's and told her, but she thought I was dreaming.


Diane continues, "I am very tense as I try to describe a later meeting with a Nordic. With the Greys it's pretty cut and dried -- routine I guess. The Nordic experiences seemed more of a psychological test and emotions were high. I never knew when he was going to enter my life or what the stage setting would be. I was made to feel emotions of the highest intensity a human can feel, whether fear, love, hate, etc."

Diane explains more. "One time it was love for him and a sexual desire that went beyond anything on earth. I am purposefully blocking out a lot of it for I now feel sadness and much guilt. I cheated on my husband. It's difficult to explain the sex we had together, for it seemed to be other dimensional. It was at his place and I remember the outside wall was glass. It went far beyond anything we can do on this earth plane. The orgasms were constant, fast, furious, and savage. I remember looking up once at his beautiful face. God! I could have consumed him."


WILLIAM CURTIS from REDFORD MICHIGAN

Curtis named the beautiful female Nordic who visited him four times "Angela." On the very clear last visit Angela brought an entity he named Topsy. They both floated in the air at the foot of his bed for several minutes. Angela wore a silver form-fitting garment. Her bare arms and hands were beautiful. Her blonde hair was piled on the back of her head sort of World War I style. She had a beautiful face with deep blue eyes.

Curtis thought Topsy was in her teens. He thought she must be half human half alien. Her eyes were small and all black. Curtis remembered several of his abductions in detail. In one things went wrong and the Greys couldn't get through his roof until the beam powered up. Curtis believed the reason Angela brought Topsy was because she wanted him to meet his daughter. I told him maybe he should pass out cigars.


ANN, from SOUTH CAROLINA

This is another life-long experiencer who talks of underground bases, the Grays, Tans, Nordics and their friends the red eyed apes. She gave me the description of a military pilot being held against his will. Her description of the blonde aliens is similar to the others. She believed they may weigh 275 pounds, had dark skin and white teeth. She stated that the good kind don't like what the bad kind are doing.


MEEHAN, from LOUISIANA

Meehan describes altered state visits to structured places --maybe in a craft or underground. In one episode she was moved through halls or tunnels and saw humans in fluid in large tubes, regular men in white coats, and short tan beings. Another time she was in a serene garden-like place that caused her to be in a euphoric state for days afterward. The fair-skinned long-blonde haired Nordics wore loose white robes and never spoke to her.


SARAH, from OTTER TAIL COUNTY, MINNESOTA

This 58 year old country woman once headed an abductee support group of 72 abductees in that area of Minnesota. She has been abducted at least eleven times. At age five her mother used a paring knife and tweezers to remove a BB-sized implant from her temple. On March 1, 1990 she ran out of her home into the yard and eleven inches of snow. A huge UFO had materialized and she was abducted. After this she began to remember her abductions and her nights were full of terror. Today she is free of that stage and is no longer afraid. True to form she was given predictions by the Nordics of Earth's near demise. She and Michelle whom I have discussed before, were given the dates 2000 to 2011.


ANN, ILLINOIS Secretary.

I have pages of glowing praise for my help to her in her puzzling case. Most of her episodes were with the outdoor seemingly physical Nordics. One time she was lured all the way to the Yucatan in Mexico where strange things occurred. One of my last reports from her involved a mystery auto that illuminated her home with a light beam. Some time later Ann died of a very fast cancer.


PAT, FLOYD'S KNOB IN SOUTHERN INDIANA

In her book Taken, my now deceased dear friend Karla Turner writes about an important case right under my nose here in Indiana. In one abduction of young Pat, a long blonde-haired, blue eyed, tall, Jesus-like figure with wings dressed in a resplendent robe appeared in her bedroom. He was in a shaft of sparkling light that came through the ceiling. He took the little girl's hand and said, "Don't be afraid my child. These are mine" gesturing to the little Gray humanoids who were standing around the room.

The next day military medical personnel and troops arrived at the farm. They stayed several days conducting all kinds of examinations of the inhabitants and the terrain. At the start of my article my questions were, Who are the Nordic aliens and why are they here? What really is their moral orientation? I don't presume to know the positive answers to this. In this context I can only formulate some reasonable theoretical hypothesis concerning these beings.

A. Are they actual physical super-beings able to enter our space/time quadrant of the Universe from a cosmic or coexisting hidden spirit-like or physical reality?

B. They are not physical, but really screen memory illusions of a cunning primordial intelligence? Perhaps even terrestrial reptiles or insects that through millions of years have evolved into the present awesome space/time controlling aliens we now see? We are their farm and the farm dwellers need watching and adjustment?

C. Can there be at least some benevolent groups who are engaged in great abduction project intent on salvaging some of the inhabitants or their seed on a planet that they warn is doomed to be struck with cataclysmic forces? They issue these warnings and at times say they are obliged to perform the despicable, lawless things that they do?

D. Can they be a neutral outside force, that is, simply intent on elevating humanity to a higher plane of existence? Meanwhile watching to see if our emerging planetary civilization, which is still aboriginal, warlike and dangerous, does not so pollute or poison its own planet that it fails to survive. In that event, the neutral outside force stands ready due to its abduction agenda based on human reproduction, to replenish the planet.

E. Can the Holy Bible and many other ancient sacred texts be right? The preponderance of evidence would seem to indicate that they are. We must judge the Nordics by their deeds and not by what they say. Are they a Satanic power from a dark Netherworld skilled in illusion and subterfuge and full of lies? Are these forces growing more powerful each day and increasing the inroads into the "End Time"? Are the Nordics an evil part of all this? Will the supreme source of Universal light return to defeat these forces? Which explanation do you favor? Beyond tomorrow we will finally know.



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on December 25, 2007, 03:39:47 pm
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http://aliens.monstrous.com/nordics.htm
The Nordics are a race of Alien visitors that look very similar to the average human except a little taller and heavier. They are reported, by people who have seen them, to very muscular and in excellent physical shape. They derive their name from the fact that they resemble the Scandinavians. Individuals who have allegedly come in contact with the Nordics say that they are here to observe our culture and not interfere in our evolution.





Aka: Blonds, Swedes, Nordics, Wingmakers, Blue-Eyed, Aryans, Venusians


Origin: Some individuals have suggested that because of the Nordic's similar physical appearance to humans that they could possibly be our long lost relatives who have since moved on to another planet.

Home System: Pleiades, Vega, Hyades

Description: blonde hair and fair skin They average about 2 meters in height. Females about 1.7 meters. They have no sweat glands.

Biology: Although Nordics are humanoid and externally almost identical to humans. There are subtle differences in the Nordic alien physiology, and most of them are based on the living conditions that they have grown up in. Their planets are extremely hot and dry, and have a low oxygen content in the atmosphere. They have a larger lung capacity than humans and have a copper based blood in order to carry oxygen more efficiently. The eyes are protected by inner lids and can allow them to see into the ultraviolet range of the spectrum. They have only 28 teeth, as they lack a back pair of molars. Their heads are longer than humans. The brain case is about .2 mm thicker and the bone is harder. The brain is the same as the human brain as far as structure and size is concerned, except for the midbrain area, where there are functions that allow telepathic and telekinetic skills. It explains the psionic powers of the Nordics. The skin allows moisture to be drawn from the air as well as moisture to penetrate. The heart beats at around 242 beats per minute, and the average blood pressure is 80 systolic and 40 diastolic. They have extremely dilated blood vessels. The heart is located where the human liver would be. The cartilage that would protect a human heart extends down 3.5cm further in the Nordic in order to protect this structure. Blood cells are biconvex in contrast to the concave cells of humans. Kidney type functions only allow about half the liquid consumed to be excreted. The rest is evidently put back into the system. Urine is thick with minerals and appears in color and texture to freshly pumped crude oil. Feces are dry pellets with all moisture removed. The adult Nordic can regulate the amount of adrenaline in their body. They have no pineal gland. Nordic females are capable of being impregnated at any time, but the males are capable of impregnation about once a year. The period of incubation is three to five months.

Powers: telepathic and telekinetic skills

Attitude: People report that the Nordics are here to somehow watch over and help guide us into a new plane of existence. Others report that the Nordics have had some kind of conflict with the Greys in the past.





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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on December 25, 2007, 03:40:40 pm
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http://www.burlingtonnews.net/redhairedmummiesalienhybrids.html
Hello Jennie, I thought I would support this claim abit more with a few things I've researched in the past year or so.
By the way, Welcome....

http://www.unexplainable.net/artman/publish/article_425.shtml
http://www.alien-ufos.com/
http://www.demonhunter.btinternet.co.uk/seventycivilisation.htm

These are some more bits and peices that talk about more then just the Greys....
The bottom link suggests that there is around 40 different types of alien races the have and are visiting the Earth.
Until it's been proven to me that there isn't . I'm obligated to beleive that this is true......
It seems to me that in thinking the way I do,there is more evidence supporting these ideas then evidence against these things.
The amount of life in the universe as a whole may be as infinite as there is stars in the sky.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:36:56 pm
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Here for Now,
Thank you for the information and the links (and the welcome). Do you have any opinion that the blonde aliens may have some sort of Atlantis connection? I have heard that they haven't been seen since the 1980's while sightings seem to persist with the grays.

Via Mars,

You are really rude. I don't even know what you're talking about other than to say that I heard that this was a good place to do online research about alternative history with people who know what they're talking about. I can see that you're not one of them.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:37:17 pm
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http://nibiruancouncil.com/html/nibirumessages.html#Nov7
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20041114113309990012
http://www.geocities.com/alienaxioms/alien_frequencies.html


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:37:43 pm
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Jennie, don't let some of these creeps get to you. Near as I can tell, there's about two dozen regulars here that post things all the time and the rest of us just show up only once in awhile. The regulars all seem to have that small town mentality.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:38:11 pm
 
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Apologies, Spiritwalker, I don't count you among them.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:38:36 pm
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"Much has been made about the little gray aliens and alien abductions. No one has ever talked about the other breed of alien, the blond-haired, Nordic aliens that seem to be waging a war against them, our benefactors."
There have been several sightings of these
type of people,beings or whatever you want to call them around Mt. Shasta.They are
blonde with long hair,very tall and are able to disappear.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:38:58 pm
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Weren't the people sited near Mt. Shasta supposed to be Lemurians?
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:39:26 pm
 
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So coming from a big city is the way to go then huh?
Hmmmmmm Farz I'z can seez it, We enjoy the finer things.....
It doesn't matter that we come from where we do.

As I said in another post already once today.
Make A Choice!

On the other hand You could just pop in and suddenly say "Near as I can tell, there's about two dozen regulars here that post things all the time and the rest of us just show up only once in awhile. The regulars all seem to have that small town mentality."

Welcome Sir.....
And Bravo!


Now class what would you all like to reveiw in this part of our anger managment class?
Yes Billy? "I want to reveiw first impressions" Good topic billy! " Thank You Mrs. Jankins"...

<Suddenly he whips out a spider man mask and walks on water>

Suddenly our hero see that he has a rock in his eye.
Doesn't bother with it because there is a guy standing there with a boulder between his shoulders.
LOL Sorry everyone..
I'm sitting here just jabber'n away like some city slicker with an ugly tie....



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:39:51 pm
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myself being one of the nordic aliens, i must do what i can to ensure division and disinfo amongst the seekers.
rudeness is a prerequisite. however, please do carry on.

max, when the cities fall, it will be the small towns that lead us back. when the cities starve, who will they look to? the disappearing farms? or the shelves of 7-11?
much wisdom was strewn about along with the debris left behind by nature this year in florida.
human nature unveiled itself at the chaotic gas lines, while looking for ice, dreaming of power restored.
meanwhile, them country folk did just fine, none for the worse.
so don't knock em.



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:40:11 pm
 
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... and about those black aliens. many sightings in africa, but we never hear about them over here. i wonder why.
does this tie in with the bock saga in any way? tune in next week.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:40:34 pm
 
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"Weren't the people sited near Mt. Shasta supposed to be Lemurians?"
Yes and they look just like the Atlanteans.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:40:59 pm
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And yet, how do we even know what either race actually looked like?
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:41:57 pm
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I found this really interesting article on U.F.O. abductions. It only mentions the Nordic aliens in passing, but I still thought it was worth a read:
http://www.reptilianagenda.com/research/r110199c.html
UFO Abductions Through The Ages
part 1 of 2
by Dr. Gregory L. Little - 1994

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The abduction stories form a continuum with old legends and beliefs ...They do contain a message ...given to us by the hidden parts of our being.
-- John Rimmer - (The Evidence for Alien Abductions - 1984)

Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary, Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore - While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping, As of someone gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
-- Edgar Allan Poe - (The Raven)

"We stepped into the fringe of reality," Karla Turner replied to a questioner -- after relating her incredible story to an immense group at the 1992 Ozark UFO Conference. "Our book comes from my journal that I kept (about these events)."

Karla [now deceased; a victim of the insidious cancer many "abductees" mysteriously succumb to -B:.B:.], who holds a Ph.D. in English, hypnotized her husband Casey in the mid-1980s to attempt to find the source of Casey's anxiety and tension. Casey, a computer software consultant, had been seeing a therapist at the time and was suffering with a variety of nervous problems. What they found in the hypnosis was not what they expected.

Casey had numerous memories of alien contact -- sexual contact. One of his earliest memories was a white-haired, old woman appearing in his bedroom when he was 13 years old. She had a deeply wrinkled face and deep, piercing eyes. Unable to resist, he had sexual intercourse with her. Casey also recalled other times that creatures entered his bedroom and forced him to have sex. One such experience left him with claw marks on his back, while another incident in 1987 resulted in a painful scar on the back of his leg.

Interaction with the abductors wasn't limited to Casey. Karla told of walking into her home at night when a being grabbed hold of her arm. The creature told her it was her mother, but Karla stated that it looked like a giant grasshopper. Another time, Karla was coming home through her back yard when she felt like she "had hit an electric fence. I wasn't feeling right... wasn't moving right ...there was a glow everywhere ...I stopped... and saw four gray beings standing side by side in my backyard."

"I assumed I was having a hallucination (but) I'm awake -- why? I felt I could see through them and they talked to me telepathically."

"Greetings, we are your ancestors," they said. "We are a part of you, but we are real."

"I couldn't move as I normally do," Karla continued. "Then two females behind me came up close -- they started buzzing."

"They are giving you some instructions," they told me.

Karla and Casey have become involved with a variety of MUFON investigators since the uncovering of their memories as well as conducting a variety of their own investigations. They have somewhat specialized in sexual abductions and been influenced by the popular books Intruders, Missing Time, and others. Karla told a story about a grandmother with her young grandson. The grandmother had been a widow for several years when she was forced to drink a liquid handed to her by an alien who appeared in her bedroom late one night.

After she drank the thick fluid, she became young again. A reptilian-like alien then attempted to have intercourse with her but she resisted. Then the alien brought in her dead husband who began making sexual advances to her. The grandmother had intercourse with the creature that appeared as her husband, but eventually saw that it was a reptilian. After finishing with the grandmother, the reptilians had anal and oral intercourse with her young grandson.

At the 1992 Ozark UFO Convention, cattle mutilation expert Linda Moulton Howe also focused on sexual abduction stories. She told a story about one man who had become so plagued by a particular female alien coming to him each night that he repeatedly masturbated before sleeping so that he would have trouble getting an **** when the aliens appeared. This so disturbed the female alien and her mantis-like "keepers" that they made an agreement with the man. Howe stated that the aliens are probably collecting genetic material from cattle and humans.

In discussing how the beings appear, Howe said that "the air itself is like a curtain they can go behind." They come out of "tears in the air."

The "modern" aliens associated with sexual abductions now appear to fall into three broad categories. The traditional grays are nearly always present. Male grays seldom engage in intercourse, but some female grays do. The grays often connect bizarre devices to the sex organs of abductees and insert needles in an apparent attempt to collect sperm and ovum samples. Then there are the more sinister creatures described as reptilian, grasshopper-like, or mantis-like. These creatures, whose sexual organs are described as ice cold, often have intercourse with humans. Finally, there are creatures that, except for their dress, would be indistinguishable from humans. They are sometimes described as Nordic in appearance -- tall blondes with blue eyes. These abductors have, at times, had intercourse with abductees. All of the appearances taken on by abductors appear to be fluid and plastic; that is, they can easily change their shape to whatever they wish.

Aileen Garoutte, director of the abductee support organization UFOCCI, has interviewed and used regression hypnosis on numerous abductees who have claimed sexual contact with the aliens. One couple was abducted during a drive between Princeton and Penticton in British Columbia, Canada. Two hours of missing time occurred during their trip that was later "remembered" as a "classic" abduction. Both were given a special drink, medical exams, and had sexual encounters with the aliens. The woman became pregnant as a result of the abduction though she had been using two different types of birth control. After their abduction she had spots on her body over her ovaries and her husband had a ring of spots across his groin. Literally dozens of similar stories have been uncovered by UFOCCI.

Sexual Abduction Experiences Aren't New

Space Alien Sex Maniacs in Training

Baby Space Aliens hone their Tantric Skills from young infancy by isolating a nubile young earth woman and looking up her dress. As teenagers they perform house-calls in order to take turns nailing their brainwashed and subservient squeeze. "Earth women are easy," they remark.

Given the current intense interest in alien sexual encounters, many people seem to feel that such reports are relatively recent. They aren't. Sexual encounters with alien abductors are not new to ufology. On October 15, 1957, 23-year old farmer Antonio Boas was plowing a field at his farm near Minas Gerais in Brazil. It was night as Boas was trying to catch up on the plowing. Looking up into the sky, Boas saw a brightly lit red object descending from the sky. It was his third UFO sighting that week. This time, however, the object landed in his field. Out of the egg-shaped object came four aliens fitted in metallic space suits with helmets.

As the creatures glided toward him, Boas tried to escape on the tractor, but it stalled. Boas jumped off and started running. A few moments later he was captured and dragged into the spaceship. There he was taken into a circular room where he was restrained while one of the creatures took a blood and skin sample from his chin. Then he was stripped and moved to another room where only a white, plastic couch sat in the center of the room. His body was sponged with a clear, oily liquid and then the four creatures left.

A few moments later clouds of gray smoke filled the room causing Boas to vomit. Then a hidden slit opened in the wall through which a beautiful, naked, alien woman walked. She had blond- white hair parted in the middle, large blue eyes, thin lips, high, prominent cheekbones, and a pointed chin. She was under five feet tall. Boas clearly remembered her blood-red pubic hair and her well-separated, pointy breasts.

The female began rubbing her body against Boas and he quickly embraced her. According to Boas they had intercourse two times during which the alien barked and growled like an animal. After the second time she got off the couch and walked to the hidden door. She pointed to her stomach and then to the sky. Then she walked out.

Moments later two of the space suited aliens returned with his clothes. He dressed and was given a tour of the ship after which he was released.

In the month that followed his encounter, Boas became ill with symptoms similar to radiation sickness. In addition, small purplish wounds developed on his hands.

In his book The Ufonauts, Hans Holzer related the May 2,1968 abduction of teenager Shane Kurz. Under regression hypnosis Ms. Kurz told of being abducted while walking through a field and being levitated into a saucer. Inside the saucer several gray aliens placed her on a table, stripped her, and rubbed a thick liquid on her. She was told that the liquid was a stimulant and that she was being tested for pregnancy with a device that was lowered on her. Then the leader told her that they wanted to make a "half" with her. One of the beings quickly sexually penetrated her. He made animal sounds and a humming noise during the act. Kurz was then released. Shortly after this incident (which she did not remember at the time) her menstrual period stopped for a year. She had a sudden, unexplained weight loss exactly 9 months after her abduction. It was the weight loss that led her to a doctor and eventually uncover the memory of the abduction.

Budd Hopkins' Intruders (1987) and Missing Time (1981) are filled with distinctively sexual abductions. And if you don't look at the long-term perspective of the phenomenon, it is easy to be misled into thinking the sexual abductions are a recent happening:

"Intruders makes what appears to be happening in UFO abductions more clear. Genetic experimentation is being conducted on unwilling human subjects by an extraterrestrial civilization far different from our own....Through the process of interbreeding, the technology involved in producing test tube babies, and cloning, they are producing a hybrid race." (Little, 1990)

But appearances can be deceiving

Abductions Through The Ages

Mothman-like Appearances and Witches

A renaissance woodcut depicting a woman beating off the advances of a demon (left) and an interesting illustration (right) from Glanvill's Saducismus Triumphatus (1863). UFO-like abductions and alien sexual encounters are nothing new. Witches supposedly were taken into the air for meetings with the devil. People who had been abducted by fairies were left with distinctive body scars similar to those in UFO abductees. And the incubus and succubus of medieval times did the exact same things to their abductees as today's sexually-inclined aliens do to their abductees.

According to fairy lore, fairies create a circular cluster of small bruises as their mark. The phenomenon is known as "fairy bruising" and is a sign of either favor or disfavor. The ring of bruises is often found around the genitals. They did this, according to various 17th century accounts, by pinching their victims:

If lustie Doll, maide of the Dairie, Chance to be blew-nipt by the fairie. Marston's Mountebanks Masque

An Encyclopedia of Fairies (Briggs, 1976) gives numerous ancient examples of fairy abductions. Almost always a special drink was given to the abductee. This drink, usually described as a thick liquid, was an essential part of the fairy abduction. Women are abducted much more often than men and some fairies take special delight, in repeatedly capturing women for amorous motives. In short, some fairies simply liked having sexual relations with mortals.

Fairies abduct their victims through paralysis; then they simply carry (levitate and fly) the abductee away into "fairyland." Fairyland is always nearby; under normal conditions we can't see or perceive it. The paralysis induced on the victim is how fairies get their abductee to enter fairyland. The modem word "stroke" (meaning paralysis) is derived from the ancient terms "elf-stroke" and "fairy-stroke." Fairies travel in circular globes of light, sometimes called "will-o-the-wisp."

There are so many different types of fairies that going through them would be tedious. Some of them, however, are virtually indistinguishable from what have been described as demons. One particular type, the "bogie," looks a lot like the traditional bigfoot. Virtually every society has some lore of these "little people" and myths of them forcing their sexual attentions on human victims.

Fairy lore has a tradition of thousands of years. Fairies have been said to be abducting humans, human babies, flying in lighted globes, striking paralysis and amnesia on their victims, forcing strange drink on their victims, and having sexual relations with humans for all time. If we could remove the mythological aspect from fairy abductions and dress them a little differently, the folklore reports of a thousand years ago would be virtually indistinguishable from present UFO abduction reports. The same thing could be said for the reports of demons.

An Relatively Holy Correspondence Table: Old vs. New

On the left are artist renderings of the creatures associated with the famous 1955 Kelley-Hopkinsville, Kentucky UFO goblin case (reprinted from People of the Web). The two figures on the right are from Collin de Plancy's Dictionnaire infernal (1863). The figure on the left is Ronwe, a demon with language knowledge. The figure on the right is Urobach, a demon from the lower order.

As my eyes fell on the demon drawings in Plancy's Dictionaire infernal (1863), I was struck by their similarity to the famous 1955 Kelly-Hopkinsville UFO case. Imagine the demons as gray in color, and they would also fit the description of the ubiquitous grays in recent abductions.

There are many in the UFO field (as well as various religious leaders) who believe that the creatures associated with UFOs are demons. The similarity of some demons to the grays of UFO reports are probably no coincidence.

"UFO" Abductee?

One of the first known illustrations of a demon appearing in physical form to "make love" to a witch. Note the feet and hands of the demon. It was said that the demons could assume any shape to make themselves more pleasing to their victims. From Ulrich Molitor's De Laniis et phitonicis mulieribus (1489). Note that the book contains numerous illustrations of demons taking different shapes and forms for sexual purposes.

(end of part 1) Continue to Part 2

Excerpt from
Grand Illusions :
The Spectral Reality Underlying Sexual UFO Abductions, Crashed Saucers, Afterlife Experiences, Sacred Ancient Ritual Sites, & Other
by Dr. Gregory L. Little





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Here is another really cool article, well worth a read:
http://pages.slc.edu/~tsiddle/alien2
Sex, State, and Technology in the Extraterrestrial Narrative Experience


Since the end of World War II the UFO and its extraterrestrial inhabitants have been recurring characters in narratives of popular culture from science fiction films and magazines to advertising. To many individuals however, these entities have crossed the boundaries of popular culture to become very real players in their lives. To individuals who believe they’ve been abducted by aliens, construct elaborate theories of complex extraterrestrial conspiracies, or join UFO cults, the Alien plays a concrete roll in their lives. In the accounts of these groups technology, sex, and the government play extremely different roles. In the stories told by many abductees and conspiracy theorists, aliens embody the dark side of technology and act as sexual invaders who act in league with a corrupt government towards the ends of a technological apocalypse. In contrast to this ominous view, is that of alien “experiencers” and UFO cults such as the Raeliens who present technology in a messianic light, encourage sexual freedom, and view the actions of contemporary nation-states as endangering to a technological utopia. By looking into these drastically different accounts it is possible to see several of the hopes and concerns that occupy First World culture at the turn of the Millennium.


Mysterious flying objects and trips with alien beings to other planets have had a long history in the Twentieth Century but the marriage between the two is a fairly recent occurrence. In the late 1890s and early 1900s, for example, mysterious “flying ships” were said to be spotted over American cities, these ships were perceived to be purely mechanical, were said to come from the center of the center of the Earth, and be piloted by a highly industrialized subterranean civilization (Dean pp. 32-34). At the same time at this subterrestrial invasion from above Madam Balavatsky and her Theosophy movement were claiming to travel to other worlds (usually Mars, Venus, and the Moon) and communicate with highly advanced alien civilizations on the Astral Plane, where they were psychically given mystic truths by the spiritually wise civilizations on our neighboring worlds (Melton p. 2). In the early to mid- 1930s, alien “Contactees,” such as Guy Ballard and Willard M. Mangoon claimed to be taken aboard spaceships and taken to nearby planets to meet our “space brothers,” or beautiful culturally refined Venusians who lived in peaceful (and slightly kitschy) cosmic utopias (ibid. pp. 2-3). Reports of communications or encounters with extraterrestrials took a pause during World War II until shortly after the atomic blasts at Hiroshima and Nagasaki plunged the United States simultaneously into the Nuclear Age and the Cold War. In June of 1947, Kenneth Arnold, an amateur pilot, reported seeing nine silver craft hovering above Mount Rainier in Washington State that he described as moving “like silver disks skipping across a pond,” from which the media gleaned the term “Flying Saucer,” which has come to stand as the icon of most modern descriptions of UFOs (Dean p. 33). Though the Arnold sighting marked the beginning of a popular wave of sightings of disk shaped UFOs the American public didn’t encounter the pilots of these UFOs until September 19, 1961 when Barney and Betty Hill claimed to have been taken onto an alien spaceship in which they reported being the subjects of strange experiments, thus marking the emergence of alien abduction into the public consciousness (though it should be mentioned that in 1957 a Brazilian farmer reported being taken by aliens and forced to have sex with an alien woman thus making him the first abductee, though his story never really reached North American popular culture) (Bullard pp. 148-149).

Alien as Demonic Rapist or Divine Lover


Since the initial abduction of the Hill couple, the accounts given by alien abductees have managed to become fairly uniform in their course of events and subject-matters. In the abduction narrative, the alien and his spaceship become central to anxieties and hopes about sex, technology, and modernity. For alien abductees, their captors act as demons, angels, doctors, rapists, lovers, kidnappers, and/or prophets. This is evident in the common scenarios reported by abductees in which they are either taken by sinister uncaring aliens who restrain them and make them objects of distressing sexual experiments, or taken by benevolent aliens who carefully subject them to strange but non-sinister sexualized operations occasionally leaving the abductee with cured ailments or warnings about the course of human development.


Alien abduction statistics show that eighty percent of reported alien abductees are women thus it is not surprising that most abductions appear to reflect feminine experiences and concerns. This is exemplified in the events that occur in the accounts of women who report undergoing negative experiences of abduction. In a typical account, a woman awakes to find herself surrounded by light and unable to move, she feels herself becoming weightless and by some means passes through the walls of her room to find herself in a circular space, small often (but not always) thin beings with smooth gray skin place her on a Y shaped table, she is naked, her legs are spread and a larger more commanding (either scaly reptilian or gray) being approaches her, the smaller creatures seem to follow its orders, the aliens then proceed to prod her. They pay a lot of attention to her ****, and eventually they penetrate her with a metallic apparatus, the larger creature puts its face very close to her and telepathically sexually stimulates her, she reaches orgasm and feels “violated.” She is then told (usually telepathically) that she has been impregnated (Bryan 16-19). During the operations many abductees assign genders and occupations to their captors, the smaller aliens they claim are female nurses who they describe as gentler and more elegant than their apathetic male counter parts, who are distinguished as bigger, rougher, and are always classified as doctors (ibid. p. 28).
At this point the abduction either ends or the abductee is given a tour of the ship and her ordeal is explained. She is removed from the table by the larger alien and is then taken to see various parts of the experiment in which she is involved, first she sees “external wombs” in which float fetuses in different stages of development, she is taken down a hallway and sees increasingly more developed fetuses until she sees babies in incubators, and eventually older children by themselves in empty enclosures. She is told that the children are hybrids, half human and half alien, and that she is carrying one of the hybrids in her womb (ibid. p. 21). Later the fetus is taken from her and raised on “a cold UFO,” often leaving the abductee sad for the loss of her extraterrestrial child (Lepsalter pp. 201-202).


In this typical abduction story, several features appear to reflect concerns, fears, and stresses that seem more or less specific to the lives of (born) women. To begin with, many features, such as the emotionless prodding and probing of the **** and the insertion of long needles into the abductee’s belly, seem to mirror specifically female experiences such as gynecological examinations and amniocentesis. Also the forced orgasm and impregnation at the hands of a demonic reptilian other (Bryan pp. 30-32), seem to suggest an anxiety of **** possibly by an ethnic other. The reports of the reptilian rapist seems to evoke the idea of the animalistic and his scaly dark skin stands in stark contrast to the relatively smooth (presumably white) skin of the abductee. This suggests that the reptilian rapist may be a valed manifestation of racial anxieties revolving around the idea of the bestial dark-skinned Diasporaic man come seeking to satisfy his desires on the helpless white woman. Lastly, the artificial wombs and stolen fetuses seem to suggest that after undergoing technological **** at the hands of an alien being, her ability to give birth and raise the child with which she is impregnated taken from her, thus rendering her unnecessary to the gestation and rearing of her stolen child, seeming to reflect both a technophobic angst that futuristic alien men can develop technology that replaces the biological functions of women and a more general motherly fear of being powerless to prevent the kidnapping of her young. Thus it can be seen that themes of medical examination, racial angst, technophobia, and sexual/matriarchal inadequacy emanate through the demonic experience of abduction.


Similar themes are apparent in the less common male abduction narrative. In the North American male narrative, the abductee finds himself similarly powerless in the operation room of a sinister or indifferent alien other, while he lays powerless on the table an electronic device is placed over his ****, he ejaculates against his will, and is then anally penetrated by a phallic apparatus (ibid. pp. 52-53). In this narrative the alien can again be read as a doctor whose operations seem to mirror gender specific medical ordeals such as prostate exams and again racial angst can be read into the experience, but there also seems to be an added dimension of homophobia to this model abduction. The event of the anal penetration of the male abductee seems to suggest his anal **** and thus renders the extraterrestrial Queer. The theme of anal **** and examination, it should be noted, appears to occur most often in abduction experiences from the USA. It can be contrasted with the very first abduction experience, that of Antonio Villas in 1957, a Brazilian farmer, whose tale involved being taken aboard a ship and being forced to have sex with an Alien woman (Bullard pp. 148-149). Though the aliens still appear to be equally sinister, the Brazilian aliens appear to be less technical, less medical, and less homosexual than the aliens invading the United States in that they prefer to use traditional biological means of achieving their ends of hybridization and don’t seem at all interested in the examination and penetration of the abductee’s anus. This suggests that the frequency of anal probing in the mythos of Alien abduction in the USA is perhaps due to a preoccupation of strait men in North-America with the protection of their anuses from invasion from alien beings who can be easily read as representing Queers and other alienated groups.


Issues of racial and sexual anxiety in these negative abduction stories can be further emphasized by the accounts of abduction as a positive experience in which the alien is coded as a divine lover. In these encounters the abductee first finds herself surrounded by a vibrant white light which according to the theories of Carl Jung immediately associates the experience of the divine and angelic (Whitmore pp. 68-69). The abductee is confronted by the alien Other who inhabits the realm of the light, this encounter with the Other carries with it implications of sex and sexuality (ibid. p. 72), but unlike the previously mentioned encounters with reptilian rapists, the aliens are viewed in a substantially different light. These aliens are described as being tall men, apparently human, with fit musculature, long blond hair, and “nordic” features (Bryan pp. 30-32) thus giving them an appearance strikingly similar to male sex symbols such as Fabio. These aliens, though they perform similar experiments, penetrations, and inseminations on their female abductees, are described as being gentle courteous doctors who take time after the operation to comfort and talk to the abductees. In one case even going as far as asking to wear the abductees high-heeled shoes (Ibid. pp. 30-32). I feel that the divine alien’s similarities to Fabio provide a useful contrast to the bestial racialized features of the demonic aliens. Like the demonic aliens, Fabio is a foreigner but unlike them he is a man (instead of a half-animal), a European, and primarily the resident of white female fantasies. The divine alien can thus be seen as embodying the opposite side of the racial angst apparent in the reptilian narratives, manifesting a white romancer of white women while the demonic alien can be read as their black rapists.


Despite the extreme differences in these models of abduction similar concerns find themselves dwelling in the subtexts of these experiences. In both the narratives of demonic and divine aliens, there exists an extreme uneasiness about the implications of modernity (Rojcewicz p. 155) and the implications and shortcomings of its technologies. As Jodi Dean has pointed out in Aliens in America the negative abduction experience appears to coincide with the failure of the US space program to control outer space, that the inability of NASA to reach the promises offered by science-fiction and futurist imaginings of winning outer-space for the American nuclear family as well as the deterioration of the astronaut from frontiersman and national hero into just another worker has manifested itself into an experience of space colonizing its attempted colonizers (Dean pp. 110-111). The demystifying of space and the loss of hope in space age technology occurs alongside an angst caused by living in an age of disasters such as plane crashes, Chernobyl, AIDS, and many other events caused by technological failure or inadequacy creates the setting for nightmares of being invaded and overwhelmed by technology (Ibid. pp. 108-109). This arguably provides the cause for why many abductions seem to begin and end in the failure of technology. For example many abductees claim that their abduction experiences are always preceded by everyday electrical appliances severely malfunctioning, objects such as televisions, radios, and lamps are reported to turn themselves on and off, even when unplugged warning them of the arrival of their extraterrestrial examinations (ibid. pp. 113-115). Also most alien abductees claim that part of their experiences involve being exposed to machines intended to erase the events that take place in the spaceships from their memories, suggesting that the fact that they are able to remember their experiences at all speaks to the failure of even advanced technology (Bullard p. 160). These recurring themes seem to suggest that the narratives of menacing aliens seem to reflect certain technophobic anxieties.


It is perhaps expected that negative experiences of aliens would reflect concerns about technology, but a certain fear of technology is also evident in the positive abductions. In many abductions, after abductees undergo their operations they are given prophecies or warnings regarding the development of human technology. Usually they are told that activities such as the proliferation of nuclear weapons and depletion of Earth’s natural resources will eventually lead to the destruction of human life (ibid. p. 156). However the aliens in these accounts are also occasionally the bearers of hope occasionally being reported to perform miraculous acts such as curing people with ailments ranging from AIDS (Bryan p. 20) to color blindness (ibid. p. 26). In this account of the angelic alien as healer and prophet, there can be read the dark implications that modern technology has the ability to destroy human civilization and that it is not sufficiently advanced to provide solutions to any of their problems.


Alongside the hostility and inadequacy of technology implied by narratives of abduction, there also appears to be some aspects in which modernity and modernism are implicated in the subtext of abduction. It is somewhat unimaginable that the explosive advances of technology, increase of population, and globalization that stand as features of recent modernity would not create new other worldly belief systems (Gillette p. 462) and the experiences related to us by alien abductees appear to present such a belief system. Where as in the past, reports of the human interaction with the unknown were pinned on the actions of divine or demonic entities (Whitmore p. 77), the experiencers of abduction and UFO phenomena rarely credit their aliens with magical powers, suggesting instead that the extraterrestrial holds control over technology advanced enough to allow him to do impossible feats as if by magic. Also many abduction stories appear to contain a reaction to globalization in that the abductee occasionally is taken to other distant places during the course of their experience, for example one abductee reports being taken from her Texas home and brought to Paris and Israel over the course of her night long abduction (Lepsalter p. 200). Such an experience would seem to suggest a reaction to the increasingly shrinking nature of time and space brought about by technologies such as airplanes and more recently the internet which have permitted globalization to reach the level of intensity that it has today. These features of many abduction narratives show that the experiences may be a reaction to aspects of contemporary modernity.
Experiences of alien abduction also seem to suggests concerns about the lines drawn between nature and civilization, human and animal. The discoveries of Copernicus and Darwin revealed that the human species lived neither at the center of the universe or was biologically anything more than a “hairless ape,” but despite the popular acceptance of these claims and the ascent of scientific institutions as the central knowledge making apparatus of modern cultures, humanity has remained central to its cultural discourse (Zimmerman p. 238). This dynamic can be credited as contributing themes that are apparent in stories of human encounters with the extraterrestrial. For example, many of the negative abductions contain instances when abductees report being painfully tagged “like when human scientists tag animals,” which seem to emphasize an anxiety over the fact that humans are merely animals and that there is no logical reason why a more advanced species would treat them like humans treat animals (Lepsalter pp. 201-203 emphasis in original). This concern is also central to many of the more positive accounts of alien abduction, in which the abductee is told that they are one of the chosen ones, that they’ve been abducted because they are special, that they are of universal importance for the survival of the visiting alien race, and that the Earth is of central importance to a grand cosmic ecology (Bryan p. 20, Salba pp. 48-50, and Lepsalter p. 201). In both these scenarios the abductee appears to be reacting to an anxiety about scientific knowledge that displaces them from the center of the universal narrative, either by experiencing nightmarish traumas in which their worries about the uniqueness of humanity is confirmed by their being treated as animals or by having a more optimistic interpretation of the extraterrestrial experience in which the cosmic significance of humanity is confirmed, thus placing them back in the center of a universal story.


The abduction experience seems to not only be a reaction to features of modernity, but also has some features that make it appear to possibly be a reaction to the projects of modernism. The goals of many organized modernist movements such as the Dadaists, Surrealists, and Futurists (to name a few) held to goal of shocking the public and defamiliarizing the mundane to provoke extreme social change (Holsten pp. 41-44). Similarly it is argued that the experiencers of abduction, UFO sightings, and other extraterrestrial phenomena exemplify a mindset in which the “familiar is strange,” (Dean pp. 11-15) and the “paranormal is normal,” (Kravitz p. 23). This is evident in the previously mentioned facts that many abductions begin with inexplicable behavior of household electronics and the resemblance of alien operations to standard human medical examinations, which suggest that in the alien abduction there is a severe defamiliarization with everyday events and objects in the abductees life. This may suggest that abductees are suffering from the unintentional side-effects of projects intended to reorient the interactions of the individual with her world.

Aliens, Conspiracy, Agency and the Loss of Utopia


The standard alien abduction narrative usually ends after the abductee is returned to their home where they are left to make sense of the unusual happenings that have befallen them, but for some the nightmare goes on long after the abduction itself has ended. Some abductees report being visited by mysterious men in black suits who harass them and give them orders to keep silent about their experiences. Where these bureaucratic agents come from change from story to story, sometimes they are from the CIA, sometimes the Air Force, occasionally even the United Nations, but in all of their encounters with abductees their message is clear: keep quite (Bullard p. 153). When the Men in Black (whoever they happen to be) enter the abduction narrative, tensions between the individual and the state apparatus become apparent. A general theme of lost agency is already apparent in most abduction experiences (Dean p. 122) in that they involve a loss of the individual’s control of their life at the hands of beings who exist outside of their lives, but when mysterious bureaucrats appear to harass abductees, the state and its apparatus become implicated in the individual’s feelings of powerlessness.


Abductees and their supporters in the fields of ufology (the study of UFOs) and conspiracy theory have created several intricate narratives to attempt to find the culprits responsible for the abductees’ torment. The common narrative usually claims that the US government made first contact with extraterrestrials in the late forties, in the meeting the government forged a deal with the aliens to allow them to perform experiments on American citizens without hindrance in exchange for technological advances, the government then formed an agency called “Majestic-12” to cover up evidence of alien contact which several prominent politicians including George Bush (the Elder) is alleged to have belonged. The aliens it is often alleged have gotten out of hand thus prompting projects such as the Star Wars Defense Program to attempt to defend Earth from the impending alien menace (Bullard p. 158). A few individuals have even suggested that popular media has acted as a propaganda device used to influence popular opinion on aliens causing films such as E.T., Close Encounters of Third Kind and other cultural objects that depict friendly aliens as relics of the alien-government alliance and films like Independence Day and other contemporary films about U.S. soldiers heroically fighting against alien invasion to stand as evidence of the sudden rift (Dean p. 117-118). In these narratives their exists the accusation that the American elite has betrayed individual liberty to an anonymous alien oppressor that uses the state as a means of performing its will upon the hapless victims of the powerless masses.


Some even argue that this freedom has always been an illusion. That the U.S. has never really been free from the control of the British Monarchy. That British Royalty aided by Freemasons and Nazis have really been behind the scenes of American (and indeed world) history. That they have sold-out the U.S. to reptilian aliens who live in elaborate underground bases beneath Denver International Airport, Atlanta, and New York City. Social problems are the result of the underground alien menace: over 200,000 children disappear every year it is claimed and there can’t possibly that many kidnappers in the USA, conspiracy theorists like Alex Christopher argue, so clearly they’re being stolen by “Draconian” invaders and being used as slave labor until they collapse and are eaten on the spot (Christopher 4/26/96). In this interpretation of current events, all agency is lost within a power structure ruled by a small cabal of child eating aliens and power hungry humans, free will is oppressed by the reptilian hand of history.


These conspiracy myths, though they are probably paranoid fantasies, can be viewed as the result of contemporary realities. As one critic attempts to explain, the conspiracy theory is “ultimately postmodern because conspiracy both causes and relieves the postmodern headaches caused by the attempt to view the totality of everything.” (Kravitz p. 24) This is to say that conspiracy thought attempts to create a definitive model for why the current world situation exists by looking at the context of a situation as its cause which allows coincidences, rumors, and possibilities of what could have happened to be taken as central to the progression of things as they exist. Another explanation for the conspiracy mindset is that it creates an excuse for the nonexistence of utopia (Cubitt p. 16). The conspiracy myth is thus seen as a way of making sense of why none of histories revolutions or social movements have succeeded at creating a perfect world. The best explanation, I feel, is that conspiracies have come to implicate the government and the elite for betraying the masses because they’ve been involved in real conspiracies and cover-ups in the memorable past. Though the government is probably not consenting to have aliens perform experiments on its subjects, the government has blatantly lied in the recent past: Cold War nuclear testing poisoned several unknowing communities, the Tuskeegee Airmen were intentionally given severe cases of syphilis, and political scandals like the Iran-Contra affair and Watergate (Stewart & Harding pp. 293-295) definitely show that the U.S. elite have conspired in the past to conduct experiments that violate the health and safety of hapless victims, therefore it doesn’t seem too far fetched to implicate them as at least partially responsible for the current state of the world. The alien conspiracy myth can thus perhaps be read as providing a caricature of an actual state of affairs, though it is doubtful that a vast alliance of aliens and Nazis are responsible for the present’s inability to live up to utopian expectations, there is little doubt that small groups of CEOs and politicians make hushed deals that result in the ratification of trade agreements and other initiatives that don’t act in the interest of the average American all the time. Thus the creation of otherworldly conspiracy theories can be seen as being a folk reaction to a much more worldly set of situations.

Rael: Sex, Tech, and the Aliens Redeemed

In the above mentioned narratives, we have seen that the alien and the UFO is most often situated in such a way that technology and the state are viewed with great suspicion, ambivalence, and/or hostility, but there is another view of the extraterrestrial in which they are viewed in an entirely positive technophilic light. For UFO centered cults the alien and his technology are perceived as central to the assent of the human species into cosmic citizens. A good example of this is the Raelien Movement who, since their conception in the early 1970s, have been enthusiastic about the potentials of technology to save the world. The Raelien Movement counts its founding date as December 13, 1973, when Claude Vorilhon, a semiprofessional French race car driver and publisher of a small magazine for automobile enthusiasts, claimed to have been invited into a flying saucer in which he was told to change his name to Rael and disperse alien truths to humankind (Rael pp. 13-18). Since then, the Raelien Movement has claimed to have sold over one million copies of Rael’s book The Message Given to Me by the Extraterrestrials and to have gained 60,000 members in ninety countries (Raelien 2003).


The Raelien’s beliefs place extraterrestrials and an extreme love of technological advancement at the center of the human historical narrative. Rael proclaims to his followers that life on earth is the result of experiments in genetic engineering performed by an alien race called the “Elohim” (which literally means gods in Hebrew) (Rael pp. 19-25). After creating the new species, the Elohim left humanity on Earth to develop at their own accord, only intervening occasionally to give an exemplary human religious texts (such as the Old Testament, New Testament, and Koran) in which the aliens sought to slowly inform Earthlings of their otherworldly origins and shape their moral development (Ibid. pp 19-75). Along with this revelation of humanity’s alien past, Rael also preaches that humans should strive to achieve the extraterrestrials’ level of technology and to eventually enter into a cultural exchange with the Elohim.


The future advocated by the Raeliens involves a complete shift into a scientifically perfected society. They argue that humanity has a cosmic mission to meet their alien creators in the heavens. This mission entails as one of its first goals to solve global problems such as the existence of nuclear weapons and the dangers of overpopulation (Ibid. pp. 94-97). After these obstacles to human preservation are solved the Rael proclaims that the global political system should be shifted into a “Geniocracy” in which a small number of the most intelligent geniuses on Earth are given ultimate control, thus, he argues, allowing the rational to control everything instead of the flawed states that exist today (ibid. pp. 85-87). It is also necessary, the Raeliens claim, to build a futuristic embassy in either Israel, Palestine, or Egypt which would be used to house Elohim representatives to Earth, thus allowing the initiation of an epoch of peace and property (ibid. pp. 207-208). In these goals, we can see that the Raeliens see a link between scientific advancement and moral righteousness, therefore they can be seen as suggesting that a genius can’t possibly be a selfish or cruel leader, and the conception of the extraterrestrial being with godlike omniscience is thus concieved as being even less capable of immorality.


This conception of knowledge has lead to a fanatical technophilia on the part of Rael and his followers. Nowhere is this more apparent than in the obsessive Raelien love-affair with often controversial technologies of reproduction and the body such as cloning, abortion, plastic surgery, and gender-reassignment surgery. In his writings Rael insists that cloning is the key to human immortality and thus he lists it as one of his movement’s top priorities (ibid. pp. 97-25). This motivated Rael to form Clonaid in 1997, the first company to specialize in the creation of human clones, which has claimed to have produced five healthy cloned babies between December 2002 to February 2003 alone, but they refuse to publish evidence of their “accomplishments” until attempts to declare cloning illegal are abandoned (Clonaid 2003). Though Rael promotes cloning by evoking it as an option to subvert the inevitability of death, a look at the Raelien views on other technologies suggests that the embrace of cloning is just as much about promoting individual control over their bodies as it is about immortality. A study of Raeliens in Quebec, for instance, revealed that all members supported the use of contraception and abortions to prevent the births of unwanted children (Palmer p. 112), a disproportionate quantity of members had undergone some form of plastic surgery (ibid. p. 123), and that they all held a pronounced admiration for a transsexual woman who had risen to a high rank within the movement’s hierarchy (ibid. pp. 123-124). In this relationship to technology we can observe a substantially different perception of the interaction of technology and the body than that which appears in the experiences of abductees. In the abduction experience technology is seen as imposing itself on the body while the Raelien experience of technology proposes it as a liberator of the body from the constraints of nature.
There are several factors in the make-up of the Raeliens that contribute to this extremely different experience of technology and the extraterrestrial. One reason is cultural, Rael is French and thus it can be claimed comes from a substantially different background from most abductees. Abduction is overwhelmingly (though not exclusively) a phenomenon of American culture with an overwhelming majority of alien abduction reports coming from the United States (Bullard p. 150). Perhaps it is telling the answer given to Rael about why he was chosen to be the aliens’ representative on Earth is that he is French and was born shortly after the first atomic blast (Rael p. 17). Perhaps the American psyche is tormented by the fact that the USA was the first and only country to use atomic weapons against another country, possibly producing a cultural anxiety about the nation facing karmic retribution for its past actions, thus causing imaginings of technologically advanced extraterrestrial visitors to be assumed to be apocalyptic in their intention. Thus Rael, coming from a different cultural context might be more predisposed to interpreting aliens and their futuristic technologies as carrying the ability to bring positive change to human life.
Another prominent factor that might explain the different conception of extraterrestrials is in the strikingly different sexual make-up of the Raeliens when compared to Alien abductees. As stated before alien abduction is an overwhelmingly female experience thus it is perhaps important to note that men outnumber women two to one in the Raelien movement (Palmer p. 105-106), and that many of these men are Queer (ibid. p. 118). Though it is important to stress that members of the Raelien Movement choose to join it while abductees are never given the choice to be abducted (Bryan p. 13), Rael’s encounter with the Elohim appears to be an explicitly masculine narrative (Palmer pp. 125-126). There are no women in Rael’s cosmic adventure accept for a few robot “women” created by the Elohim to pleasure him during his stay on their nameless alien home-world (Rael pp. 156-161). This perhaps explains why Rael’s aliens encourage him to preach the values of “Sensual Education,” in which his followers are encouraged to try new sexual acts in order to become more spiritually fulfilled individuals, providing notable contrast to the sexually menacing presence that Aliens provide in America. Thus it can be seen that while the American abduction (female and male) usually associates the aliens with invasion and ****, the conception of the Elohim by the Raelien movement situates them as sexual liberators thus perhaps showing a diminished sexual anxiety on behalf of its members. Perhaps the members of the Raelien movement, being culturally alienated for either their sexuality or other socially unacceptable trait have come to identify with the idea of Rael’s sexually sympathetic aliens. Thus we can see that the alien(ated) is both redeemed and set up as redeemer by Rael’s conception of the Elohim as the hope for technological and spiritual transcendence of the worldly and the preachers of sexual liberation (it is perhaps no mistake that Rael claimed to meet his aliens in 1973 while the sexual revolution was still in full swing).

Conclusion

It has been argued that radically different conceptions of the alien exist in the lives of individuals who believe the extraterrestrial being is central to there lives. For most alien abductees it’s been observed that anxieties and fantasies about sex, race, medicine, technology, nature and agency help to create an image of the alien as a demonic rapist or malevolent doctor who strips the abductee of his or her humanity, or more positively as a divine lover who serves to affirm the abductees cosmic uniqueness and desirability. It has also been shown that concerns about agency and modernity in America are placed onto the figure of the alien invader in the revised historical narratives told in conspiracy myths. And lastly by considering new religious movements that place the figure of the extraterrestrial as central to human creation and salvation, such as the Raeliens, that differences in culture, sex, and sexuality can produce a conception of the world and the universe in which the alien, the scientist, and technological advance is conceived as important to humanity’s assent into becoming cosmic angents rather than as signs of the apocalypse. In all three of these cases it has been seen that the alien is conceived as being of grand importance to the history of humankind, either as the harbingers of doom or the bringers of salvation, and that the experiencer’s concerns or hopes about sex, race, technology and agency help to define the role they percieve the futuristic and otherworldly playing in the past, present, and future of Humans on the planet Earth.

Bibliography
Rael
The Message Given By Extra-Terrestrials
Canada: Raelian Foundation 2001

Raelien 2003
The Raelien Revolution

Clonaid 2003
Clonaid:News [URL=http://www.clonaid.com/news.php]

Susan Jean Palmer
Women in the Raelian Movement
IN:The Gods Have Landed: New Religions from Other Worlds pp. 105-136
JR Lewis ed.
Albany: State Univ. NY Press 1995


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:46:01 pm
 
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Great information, Herefornow, your links are really starting to help me a lot, not just in here, but the other threads I see you've been posting in.
Maximus, thanks for your encouragement, you seem like a pretty nice guy, too.

Martin & Trevor, I think that even though Mt. Shasta is supposed to have some link with Lemuria, it actually has more to do with the Nordic aliens, too. The descriptions sound just like them, and what would a group of thousands of year old Lemurians still be doin' on that mountain anyway?

No, I don't have any racial bias in starting this thread, just to say that the grays don't do it for me, I've always been interested in them, and I think it may have some link to Atlantis. I'll still keep searching...


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I like all the work you've put into this thread and am glad that other people are using this part of the forum now, too. I'm sort of an odd mix, part Irish (with blonde hair, too), but I also have some Native American blood in me, too. My dad tells me that's why I have such a bad temper.
All I heard about these Nordic aliens is that they used to be really active during the 1950's, but haven't been around since the 1980's. I have a book on different alien species someplace, I'll look for it and when I find it, I'll let you know what the title is.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:50:43 pm
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Hello ladies and gentalmen...
I have been going nuts fixing this computer.
Please exuse the down time.
I have an off the question to ask all of you.
It what I'm best at,lol..... J/K
Have you ever been awakened by a voice saying your name?

Have you ever tried to open your eyes,yell and move and was unable to do so?

Hav you been in this state and smelled fresh air,or even perfume?

These are reported thing that occur when a supernatural contact happens.
Now when you hear supernatural,the first thing one would think spirits. Now what if I were to tell you that these spiritual encounters are not with earthly spirits?....

I know at this point you might be saying,"OK,then!"

I know thats what I said until I looked it up.Now I'm not sure what to beleive.
I will say this, if I was from somewhere else and wanted to contact an individual entity from another world I would definitly attempt this through remote veiwing.

At this point,I will leave the rest of this point for later.
As for The Nordic type beings,I have been doing abit more research on this and it is a very interesting peice of study.
Telepathic communication was entered again and it seems to connect to the way we know things and can't explain how. It was even documented that this is how they are attempting to help us.

Now might be a bad time to throw up the links on this but I will try to do it this week-end.....
For now we'll call this" Food for thought"...





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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:51:04 pm
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Thank you for your help, Stacy, I look forward to any books you can point me to at all on this subject. I've been reading your Lemuria thread, nice work gathering all the research.
Herefornow, funny you should mention hearing a voice and smelling perfume in the middle of the night, then waking up. The same thing has happened to me! (Well, not the perfume part of it). I have had very vivid dreams about abduction since I started investigating the phenomenom. I did a little research on some of the things related to abduction and ran across the terms of "Incubus" and "Succubus." These werre spirits in the Middle Ages that descended upon sleeping people and would make love with them, the Succubus the female spirit who attacks the sleeping human male, the Incubus, the male spirit who attacks the human female.

I'm convinced that this folklore, like all ancient folklore, has some basis in reality. In fact, it sounds like it is also related to the topic of alien abduction. Maybe we should also add that to our investigation of aliens as these seductive demons sound a lot like aliens, only the connection hasn't really been made until now. Just a thought.


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Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:51:27 pm
 
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Nice work on getting this thread together, Jennie. Personally, if you're asking what genetic type the Atlanteans were, though, I would go with a Mediterranean based people (unless Atlantis was in the north, which I have to say, I sort of doubt). As for the Incubus/Succubus idea, well, I suppose its possible. There are numerous references in the Bible to things that scholars are now calling U.F.O.'s. In fact, there's one theory that angels are actually extraterrestials, which, again, would seem to be along the lines of what's going on here.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:51:48 pm
 
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as a self deputized nordic representative, i would first like to address hfn's comment regarding "middle of the night incursions".
please research dreams, types of dreams, and ways to understand them. awaken to the possibilities of reality and how our brain can distort it in the dream state.
earth bound analysis must first be understood before the leap to the heavans ...
i have a neat experiment for those of you who really want some answers.
videotape yourself while severely deprived of sleep. while doing this, make notes to yourself, perhaps even talking to the camera for reference at a later time.
delve into the subjects that hold your imaginative awe, such as alien contact and ramifications, etc.
next, get a good night's sleep and review the tape the next day.

an even better experiment would be to videotape yourself with a few trusted friends while under the influence of certain hallucinogens, all the while concentrating on aliens.
once again, after a good night's sleep, check out the tape.

... the click on the line was them hanging up.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:52:42 pm
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LOL Mars once again the science is there,however I'm not sure that "tripping" is a fair way to measure the reality of an experiment in dream scapes.....
Then again, 15 years ago or so, something like this would have appealed to alot of people.

I would like a chance to measure magnetic waves and/or anomalies that occur while a person sleeps. A man by the name John Hutchison discovered the H-effect. This effect was created by what is now called the "polter-giest machine"...
The H-effect can cause objects to levitate and these objects then begin to come apart at the sub-atomic level.I bring this to mind because of the forces that are at work. A tesla coil or two,and a pacific kind of generator was responsible for the discovery.
This means that magnetic forces were at work.

I beleive that when a person is in the right sleep state that chemical-electrical reactions begin to react to gravity,and other magnetic energies to create a sence of alternate reality. This sence is what we may think is an awakening of the spirit because of the kinds of experiences we have when this happens. This could very well be the case in a common spiritual outlook.
Edger Cayce in a great example for this theory. (The sleeping prophet)

The reason that I beleive this could be another way that communication with other beings is possible during these times is because of an electromagnetic effect associated with temporal-displacment.

Now this might be better explained after I have more coffee.....
For now here is more on John Hutchison and other related things.
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Thinktank/8863/main.html
http://www.awakening.net/
http://www.ufoarea.com/aas_starchild.html

Now here is something that was sent to me by a person that I discussed this very same thing with.
This person then told me about what they predict
for the near future and beyond. This may be difficult for younger people to stomach so I did edit some of the more harmful material.
I will not hold back what I feel could be the truth..........

Predictions for Planet Earth and Its Inhabitants



(1.) Physical Earth Changes.

1. Due to the combination of galactic forces and the criminal pollution of the Earth by humans, which is intensifying and speeding up the process, massive worldwide Earth changes will take place. The galactic cosmic forces, which are connected to the arrival of the Aquarian Age, are causing the natural recycling of the Earth's four major surface types, which are desert, ocean floor, fertile land, and ice covered land.

This is a natural cycle created into the physical destiny of planet Earth to insure that no area of its surface is permanently destroyed. For example, if what is now desert was to remain desert for an extremely long time, then that area of the Earth's surface would become forever infertile, therefore it must be covered with water which replenishes it.

Since planet Earth was created as a home for humans, it must have sufficient amounts of fertile land to grow food. You cannot easily grow food, if at all, on deserts, frozen tundra or ocean floors.

The recycling proceeds like this; the deserts become ocean floors, the ocean floors rise up above the water to dry and become fertile land, the ice melts off the ice covered land and that land dries and becomes fertile, some of present day fertile lands becomes deserts and some are covered by ice to preserve them for future use.

This recycling has occurred many times in the Earth's history. This is the process; due to stellar, solar, solar systemic, lunar spiritual energy forces and electromagnetic forces, the Earth's magnetic poles will shift position and simultaneously the magma around the core of the Earth will be drawn and forced to the surface. This is similar to the magnetic powers of a magnet and is observed in the movement of the ocean tides by the Moon. As the magma is forced to the surface it causes the tectonic plates which float on this liquid to move in very quick movements. This causes the melting of the North and South Pole ice caps, volcanic eruptions, earthquakes and tidal waves of gigantic proportions.

Scientists do not understand any of this because these types of Earth changes have not occurred in recent history. Though they do have some evidence of similar activity in the past when they find seashells in the high deserts hundreds of miles from any ocean and animal and plant fossils in the frozen tundra.

2. The eruption of Mt. St. Helen in the state of Washington, USA, on May 18, 1980 was the sign that many heavy earthquakes will occur in the San Francisco area until that city is totally destroyed by a very large quake. The eruption of the St. Helen volcano was and is connected to the fracturing of the San Andreas Fault that runs through San Francisco. The destruction of that city is the beginning of the end of the West Coast of the USA, which will be destroyed by heavy earthquakes and flooding. After this, earthquakes will be both more numerous and of larger magnitudes around the world.

3. California and the rest of the West Coast of the United States will be hit with two gigantic quakes. After the eruptions of the volcanoes Etna in Sicily, Vesuvius in Italy and Pelee in Martinique, West Indies, within four months, earthquakes with a magnitude of approximately 14.0 - 15.0 will inundate the West Coast area from Baja, California to Denver, Colorado and from Denver to Anchorage, Alaska. Every city, town and village will be destroyed and very little land will remain dry. Mountain ranges will be leveled, deserts will become ocean floors.

4. Great earthquakes caused by tectonic plate movements will occur around the world after the West Coast, U.S.A. quakes. With these huge quakes will come gigantic tsunamis that will destroy by flood many cities, towns and villages along the coastlines of many countries in the world.

5. Huge devastating wild fires, tremendous floods, catastrophic volcanic eruptions, destructive earthquakes, and hurricanes and tornadoes with wind speeds of 150-200 mph will be seen all over the world causing great destruction each year for many years. Some years will have less, some more, but generally speaking these natural disasters will continue to increase. The increasing unusual number of these natural disasters is caused by the criminally insane pollution of our planet. Governments, corporations, evil scientists and to a great extent the apathetic public are responsible for this horrible destruction of our beautiful planet.

6. Besides Etna, Vesuvius and Pelee, volcanoes will erupt in many countries. So much volcanic ash will be shot into the air in those areas that the daytime skies will be darkened and the Sun will not be seen for weeks. The lava and ash from these eruptions will create great problems for the nearby regions.

7. Many areas in the world will be flooded due to huge amounts of rainfall. This great increase in rainfall will be due to the heating of the oceans by the combination of global warming caused by air pollution and the heat of the molten magma connected to volcanoes rising beneath the ocean floors.

8. The Mississippi River in the U.S.A. will flood and become in some spots 50 miles wide and at its mouth 100 miles wide, only in its northern sections will it be easily crossed.


(2.) The Economy of the World & the U.S.A.

1. Due to the major Earth changes and a world war there will be a worldwide economic collapse that will result in a so-called New World Order that will be worldwide feudalism with the few rich and powerful ruling over the many millions of poor and homeless.

2. Governments will close Banks all over the world.

3. The stock markets will crash and close mainly due to war and the fear of war.

4. Oil prices and therefore gasoline prices will sky rocket and the value of money will be reduced to 10 cents on the dollar and then quickly it will become worthless .

5. All over the world people will be starving and lining up for food and good drinking water will be hard to find.


(3.) USA and World Politics.

1. A United States president will be driven out of office by a political and military coup that will stun the world.

2. A new country will be established in areas near what is today Jordan. Its government will be composed of Palestinians and Jordanians. This however, will not ease the tensions between the Arab nations and Israel.

3. Israel will become more isolated from the rest of the world because of its desire to hold on to Jerusalem.

4. Israel, along with its allies the U.S. and England, will prepare for war against many countries including most of the Arab countries, Russia and China.

5. The Israeli Prime Minister will be killed and within months a major war will break out in the Middle East.

6. This war will be fought primarily over the control and ownership of Jerusalem.

7. Russia will continue to get worse in every way. The Russian people will lose faith in their government, and the government will lose control over much of the Russian society. People will be starving to death in Russian cities and there will be riots to obtain food. Organized crime will grow as powerful as the government and operate freely in Russian cities.

8. China will secretly grow angry towards Russia because of conflicting communist ideologies. There will be border disputes and fighting between the Russian and Chinese military, but these will be minor conflicts and will not lead to a major war between the two countries. Yet this is very important because through this major disagreement these two super powers will go their separate ways towards world domination.

9. There will be two nuclear reactor incidents, one in Russia and one in France similar to the Chernobyl accident of 1986, which happened near the city of Kiev in Russia. These catastrophes will be so horrible that people all over the world will start to demand a cleaner environment, but this will not happen.


(4.) World War III.

1. Four heads of state will die within a week of each other, within two years of these deaths WWIII will start.

2. Also, the upper atmosphere of the Earth will be set on fire and everyone in the world will see this. It will be set on fire by the U.S. military using their H.A.A.R.P. (High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program), a top-secret computerized climate control weapon. This fire will be a bright red and last for one week. This will be claimed to have been an accident, but it will have been an intentional testing of the weapon. Within one year of this event WWIII will begin.

3. The situation in the Middle East, the war over the control of Jerusalem, will lead directly to WWIII.

4. Islamic fundamentalists will be responsible for civil wars, revolutions, wars between nations, and many major military conflicts within their own countries and around the world, culminating in an invasion of Europe and an attack upon the Israelis in Jerusalem using a small nuclear weapon.

5. Saddam Hussein, one of the Anti-Christs, will order a chemical and biological weapon attack in the United States. He will also secretly convince the Russians and the Red Chinese to enter WWIII against the United States and its Allies.

6. China will attack North Vietnam and this will put the Chinese on an inalterable course towards WWIII.

7. Pakistan will enter into an alliance with China and through this the Chinese will make their way through Pakistan, the Arabian Sea and the Middle East.

8. India will form an alliance with Russia opening the way to the Indian Ocean to the Russians, which will alarm the U.S. and complicate that region of the world immensely.

9. Iran will form an alliance with Russia, who will later betray it, allowing the Russians to eventually dominate the Middle East.

10. Europe will continue to be very complicated and disunited adding to the problems of the world.

11. Many know-it-all, intellectually arrogant, closed-minded, fearful and pompous people will claim that there is no danger of WWIII, but they do not know that this war will not start suddenly. It will start gradually, with one nation going to war with an other nation. One small war added to another small war until the sum is a world war.

12. The U.S.A., who will instigate many of them, NATO, and the United Nations will not be able to do anything to contain these wars. The United Nations especially is too weak. It was not organized with enough strength to stop these types of conflicts.

13. World War III will start in the month of November, approximately one year after the upper atmosphere is set on fire using the U.S. secret military weapon H.A.A.R.P., and will last 3 years and 11 months.

14. Conventional weapons will be used first, then chemical, biological and nuclear.

15. The Northern Hemisphere of the Earth will be mostly destroyed by nuclear fires and radiation. Most of the Southern Hemisphere will not be destroyed by nuclear weapons, but all of the cities, towns, and villages will be leveled and burned to the ground through conventional war.

16. Anyone caught within 50 miles of a hydrogen bomb detonation will suffer damage to their soul, even to the point of the total destruction of it, which would release their spirit in energy form back to God, and they would cease to exist as individual spirits. This is because the explosion of a hydrogen bomb causes a chain reaction explosion of all hydrogen atoms within range, which includes the hydrogen atoms that souls are partially composed of. Even though souls exist within the fourth dimension, the strength, power and velocity of the detonation will bridge the gap between third and fourth dimensions.

The spirit without its soul cannot exist as an individual entity. If this separation were to occur, the spiritual energy that composed the spirit would return to God. A spirit cannot exist in a spiritual being without a soul; there is no such thing as a spiritual being without shape and form. Think of the spirit as a spark of pure God energy and the soul as a type of physical body similar to the physical bodies on Earth, but with a higher vibration.

I'm sure this has cleared up any misunderstanding concerning this matter. Many of you have been taught that the soul is indestructible. This is incorrect. A hydrogen bomb is the one thing on Earth that can totally destroy the soul.

17. Human extraterrestrials, who have been monitoring the Earth for millions of years, will prevent the entire destruction of the planet and help save a small portion of humanity, but will not otherwise interfere with WWIII because of Universal Non-Interference Laws.

18. Some people, very few, perhaps in the thousands, will survive WWIII and its aftermath in elaborate bomb shelters, remote mountainous areas and in a few areas of the Southern Hemisphere of the planet.

19. After WWIII begins there will be 11 years of radiation contamination in the Northern Hemisphere and lawlessness, starvation, and cannibalism throughout the world, and finally very few people will survive.

20. WWIII will not be the end of the human race on Earth, nor the destruction of Planet Earth, but it will be the end of this present day civilization, with every city, town and village in the world completely burnt to the ground.

21. The extremely difficult and deadly times of WWIII come to the Earth starting when the Pope no longer lives in Rome.

22. Europe as the home of the false Christian religions is destroyed to a great extent and conquered by Muslim military forces whose weapons will be supplied by both Russia and China.

23. Great wars will be fought worldwide between fanatical Arab/Muslim forces and so-called Western/Christian civilization. This Western/Christian civilization, which is not truly civilized because for the most part it disregards all true love, true wisdom, true freedom, true peace, and true equality between men and women, will continue to do evil worldwide in its attempt to control the world religiously, politically, and especially economically. It is obedient to the same evil spiritual powers who controlled Hitler and Saddam. The Arab/Muslim so-called civilization, also controlled by evil spiritual powers and religious cult members, who are also extremely determined to control the world, will decide that the Westerners must be totally destroyed leaving nothing of their evil culture remaining.

24. The USA will lead a group of Western countries down the road of self-destruction by invading and conquering many small countries and taking away their true independence, thereby creating great hatred and anger towards themselves worldwide.

25. Many Asian, African and European states will join forces against the USA once it is fully realized that they are to be conquered and exploited because of greed and America’s desire to dominate the world economically.

26. Many small wars composing WWIII will rage worldwide as the four evil powers, America, Russia, China and Arabia, clash with great deadly violence in an attempt of each to control the world.

27. Europe will be mostly destroyed, and every church and monastery of the Roman Catholic Church will be utterly destroyed with many thousands of priests and nuns and many bishops and cardinals murdered until this church is almost entirely wiped out. Divine Judgment will administer this powerful punishment upon the most wicked organization that was ever on Earth. All Protestant so-called Christian Churches and communities in Europe will be wiped out as well.

28. There will be only two more Popes after Pope John Paul II. The last Pope will be named “Petrus Romanus”, or Peter (of Rome). During his rule the final days of the Roman Catholic Church will be seen.

29. During WWIII all liberty and freedom will be lost and no one will be able to produce, buy or sell anything. Great areas of starvation and disease will be found throughout the world.

30. Finally the military powers of the world will be completely out of control and nuclear weapons will be launched, East against West, and West against East. Russia and the USA will launch the most destructive of all weapons upon each other, including the most destructive chemical, biological and nuclear ones.

31. Many countries will use new weapons of mass destruction in WWIII, including cloned human soldiers which were secretly developed for that time.

32. China will invade India and kill millions of people. Russia will betray, invade and conquer Iran and Turkey in their drive to control the oil deposits of the Middle East.

33. Natural catastrophes, including the eruption of Vesuvius, as well as WWIII, will devastate Italy and its population.

34. France will fall to Arab/Muslim military powers and become the base for their worldwide military operations. The Muslims will use French troops and weapons against their enemies.


(5.) Future Earth Civilization.

1. A highly advanced, both spiritually and technologically, group of human extraterrestrials will land and assist the survivors of WWIII in the establishment and construction of a new civilization based on God's Commandments and Spiritual Principles.

2. People on Earth will live in harmony with God and Creation, and peace and cooperation will be found throughout the world. Spiritual cities will be built on the principles of the oneness with God and Creation, with the intention of linking elements from human settlement with elements from nature in a spiritual coexistence. The goals will be to eliminate the common evils of society, such as greed, anger, war, pollution, disease, poverty, injustice, waste, and harmful technologies. The premise will be that a change in society's way of thinking about living together in true peace and cooperation is a logical starting point for a truly sustainable healthy and spiritual worldwide community.

3. This new civilization will have a classless society, a spiritual foundation, and the technology to clean and purify the air, land and water throughout the world.

4. There will be a world government called Earth Government, or E.G., that will truly serve and protect the people, it will distribute abundantly the necessities and luxuries of life equally without cost to everyone, provide career opportunities for everyone, and provide courts of justice worldwide. Spiritual teachers and leaders will hold the highest positions in the government.

5. Women will have equal rights and responsibilities in the new society. All areas of life will have equal opportunities for men and women without exception, of course, always taken into consideration will be the differences of the male and female physique. In all tasks, duties, and careers men and women will work together as equals. In family life women with children will nurse, educate and care for the children in every way, putting aside their careers and men will help in all family matters as well as have careers. Children will be raised with a spiritual education first and foremost and allowed to freely choose their own careers. In this regard, the divine science of Astrology will be used.

6. As mentioned, in this new civilization all of the necessities of life will be provided in abundance free of charge, including: a home with acres of land, food, clothing, education to one or more Ph.D. levels, recreation and exercise facilities, unlimited medical care, and career opportunities without limit within the Laws of God and His Creation.

7. Money will be abolished, but bartering will be allowed in the new civilization.

8. The breeding of animals for food will be abolished, and plant foods will increase in variety and numbers.

9. Though the new ways of life will soon be well established, some people will continue to hang on to the old evil ways, and this will cause trouble from time to time, because of this there will be a need for a standing military that will protect the righteous people worldwide.

10. Judgment Day will come - Immanuel will return to Earth with an army of God's angels to judge all those who have ever lived on Earth according to their individual Book of Life, and to establish God's Holy Kingdom.

11. Peace and prosperity will reign throughout the world for thousands of years because of the True Christianity.


(6.) Extraterrestrials.

1. A new human race of extraterrestrials will start to visit Earth after WWIII and its aftermath. These people from deep in the cosmos will be peaceful, of a very advanced technological civilization and of a high spiritual state of existence, serving God and Immanuel to their fullest capabilities. They will land in egg shaped ships of great size, beauty and capable of speed many times faster than the speed of light. They will land in what remains of America and use this area as the base for their peaceful and spiritual worldwide mission, including the reconstruction of cities.

2. It will be discovered that the ancient ancestors of humans on Earth were genetically manipulated billions of years ago by evil human extraterrestrial groups with very negative results, including a doubling of the gene which controls the desire to be angry, selfish, greedy, vicious, addictive, competitive, barbaric, inhumane, warlike and many other negative traits. This will trigger a great, successful effort to reverse this genetic manipulation, which will change the thoughts, words, feelings and actions of humans on Earth towards the spiritual and peaceful.

3. Human extraterrestrials from Sirius will play a very important role in the genetic manipulation reversals that are vital in the effort to make planet Earth a peaceful and spiritual place to live.

4. In the near future extraterrestrials will assist Earth humans to progress very rapidly in every field of mathematics and science, including the creation of spaceships and androids.

5. A group of extraterrestrials who have been living on the ocean floors will make contact with Earth human beings, and more positive results will occur because of this meeting.

6. It will be discovered that since the 1940's extraterrestrial groups have been telepathically "inspiring" movie makers and television show writers to produce some truthful films and programs to be viewed by humans on Earth in an effort to educate the subconscious and conscious minds of the viewers to minimize the future panic caused by the public appearance of ETs.


(7.) Astronomical Discoveries.

1. Three new planets will be discovered in the near future that belong to our solar system. One will be inside Mercury's orbit and will be called Vulcan, and two will be outside of Pluto's orbit, the nearest one will be called Transpluto and the furthest one will be named Nubiru, which has an orbit around the sun of 3,600 years.


(8.) Ancient Human Civilizations on Mars.

1. Artifacts from an ancient civilization on Mars will be found in the near future. Entire cities with pyramids, gigantic monuments, stations connected with space travel and many other structures containing ancient records will be found. All this will be discovered in the very near future regardless of the events on Earth, and Earth humans will use many of the structures when they visit Mars. In the future Earth humans will establish a colony on Mars and use this as a base for extensive space travel that will reach eventually into other galaxies.

2. These discoveries on Mars will be the evidence that will, with an incredible surge of fear for many religious people, collapse the false history of Earth humans, and the incredibly absurd and idiotic notion that Earth humans are the only human life form in the Universe. Many uninformed and closed-minded deniers of truth will finally realize that our galaxy and Universe are filled with human kind. This will eventually unite Earth's entire mankind into one global community.


(9.) History of Earth Humans.

1. Humans of Earth will find proof both here on Earth, in and under ancient buildings like the Sphinx, and on Mars, that some of their ancestors came to this solar system from other solar systems in the galaxy, first settled on Mars and Malona, a planet which was destroyed by war and is now the asteroid belt, and millions of years later came to Earth. These scientifically factual discoveries will put an end once and for all to the absurd "historical facts" of the origin of humans on Earth held by religions and narrow minded scientists, and bring much doubt upon religions and scientists in general. For many, the discoveries on Mars will completely collapse the foundations of all religions and open a new era of truth, inventions and discoveries.


(10.) World Religions.

1. After the true chronology of the Earth is made known, a new spiritual religion will be established which will revoke the so-called Christian Sunday, Islamic Friday and Jewish Sabbath and install Thursday as the new day of worship as well as a new schedule of holidays.

2. False religions and cults that presently have billions under their spell will remain alive, barely, decreasing slowly for centuries until they finally disappear.


(11.) Future Spiritual Teachings.

1. A man will lead a movement to present the true Spiritual Teachings to the entire world. The true teachings of Immanuel will again be taught in their pure and pristine form. Included in these spiritual teachings will be the truth about reincarnation, which will be accepted worldwide by the year 2040. Once again communication with God's spirit world will be an accepted fact and considered a necessity for spiritual progress. For an increasing number of people a spiritual education will become the most important part of life. Astrology will regain its proper position as the most important of all sciences. The false religions, as has been the case throughout history, will of course fight these new teachings, because their very existence is at stake, but this time the truth will prevail.


(12.) Scientific Discoveries and Inventions.

1. There will be the discovery and rectification of an error in the number Pi that will make possible great energy sources for the people of Earth.

2. There will be a discovery and an invention that will enable mankind to time travel both into the past and into the future, a time machine.

3. There will be a discovery of other dimensions and an invention to travel from one dimension to another that will result in communications and inter-reactions with intelligent life in many dimensions.

4. A very inexpensive energy source derived from water will be developed in the future. This will increase the production of food worldwide to such a degree that it will be distributed to everyone without cost.

5. Another form of usable energy that is based on sound vibrations will also be discovered.

6. Earth scientists will learn that at the center of our galaxy is a "Black Hole" that has an almost unlimited amount of energy that can be tapped.

7. New vehicles for space travel will be possible due to the understanding of the composition of light.

8. Genetic engineering will advance to the point were many things will become possible including cross breeding between plants and animals, diseases eliminated and plants producing animal-like protein, which will eliminate the mass breeding and tortures of animals because of a meat substitute, which is accepted by everyone.

9. Earth scientists will learn the secret of gravity and with this discovery begin to master space and the material Creation.

10. Einstein's Theory of Relativity will see several additional modifications and scientists will discover the truth of the fourth dimensional matter.

11. In the future a huge artificial sun will be placed in orbit around the Earth, which will eliminate the night time by illuminating the dark side of the planet, but it will last only fifty years at which time it will descend to the Earth and affect the planet's own rotation and orbit.

12. A very large space station will be built and placed in its own orbit around the Sun.


(13.) Medical Inventions.

1. In the near future human organs will be "grown" for the purpose of transplants. These organs will be genetically adapted to the specific body in need of the organ, eliminating organ rejection.

2. Also, in the near future a third DNA code in the human body will be discovered.

3. It will be discovered that most diseases and illnesses come from physical contact with animals as well as the intake of animal food. One of the results of this knowledge will be that in the future animals will not be allowed to live in the homes of humans, or even kept inside them for brief periods.

4. Because of many discoveries and new knowledge the life span of Earth humans will increase to 450 years in the very near future and eventually to 2000 years. One of the greatest discoveries in this regard will be the genetic reverse engineering of the ancient extraterrestrial genetic manipulation that causes premature aging.

5. Discoveries of the fact that the Earth's natural atmosphere is not the best for human longevity, and the development of portable "air bottles" with the best type of breathable air will be important factors in the possibility of increasing life spans into thousands of years.

6. Aids, Cancers and other viral diseases will never be permanently cured by drugs, vaccines, or radiation, these at best only put the diseases into remission while causing great damage to the body, but they can never completely eradicate them. The permanent and complete cures will come in the future when medical scientists finally understand the science of light frequency treatments.


(14.) Space Travel.

1. Space exploration will never cease in the future and many new worlds will be discovered including a planet perfectly suitable for human life, another Earth, of which there are hundreds of thousands in our galaxy alone. This will be increasingly more important as scientists finally discover that our Sun is a dying star and that the time that humans can live on planet Earth is much shorter than previously believed.

2. Spaceships with speed capabilities of millions of time the speed of light, making time and space non-issues, will in the future be common place, but this will take another thousand years to develop. With these vehicles travel between galaxies and even Universes will be possible.

3. Space travel will bring about many positive and many negative results. Included in the negative will be encounters with dangerous law breaking extraterrestrials and deadly epidemics that come from other planets.

4. The original home planets of the ancestors of Earth humans in the Sirius constellation will be reached, but not without a great confrontation with an evil extraterrestrial race during the journey.

5. Robots and androids will be of a very high independent and biological intelligence in the future and will be used for many purposes including flying spaceships almost without error.





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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:53:05 pm
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The above post is about pretty much everything that is now being covered by our post and topics within this forum.
As I said, I'm very sorry if these things seem abit disturbing to some of you.
I want to contribute this point of veiw because it already is showing some accuracy in present world events like certain volcanos
mentioned in the above post.
One more thing that I would like to mention is how it connects to the subject.
Human influence and it's effect on all things.
Why would a superior race even bother with us unless we in some way had value to them?
Another good question this subject raises is:
If alien races can see a value to human life,why can't we?


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The world must change!
This change starts with ourselves.....


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:53:30 pm
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It might shock you to know that I believe in most of those predictions, Herefornow. I see the world headed into the crap heap, I've seen it that way while growing up and see it even more now. The recent elections have only served to convince me all the more of that fact. We are all riding the big, black train to Armageddon.
As for the doubt cast on alien abduction, sure, some of those people are probably loonies. There's probably many more that are real.

People get a lot of crap around here for believing in the metaphysical and other things. You ask me, it's worse for people to constantly try and denounce them. If it's all just fantasy, why are skeptics constantly trying to work so hard to try and disprove them? I don't need my government ot the evening news to play mommy and daddy.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:53:49 pm
 
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That is so true...
Yet media and goverment seem to play the same game that main-stream thinkers do.
They coat everything in a way that they feel the world would rather see.

As for me,I feel I am capable of seeing things the way my heart tells me it is.
In these days,it's wise to atleast prepair ourselves for a change of any kind.

As history has reveiled to us over and over,
change is something that can happen in the blink of an eye......


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:54:28 pm
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Jennie, here is another really cool article I found to add to our mix here. Enjoy!

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The Beautiful Blondes and their Incredible Flying Machines
by Don Worley

Source: UFO Universe
Winter 1997 issue

Cover Page Wording: Angelic ETs predict Earthly Doom

[Though the Grays seem to get all the attention these days, there are still plenty of other alien-types flying around the galaxy, including ETs who could pass as humans.]

When one thinks of aliens, in all likelihood the mind conjures up images of strange creatures that show up regularly on the SciFi Channel or at least on the movie lot of a Steven Spellberg shoot.

In the last half century or so Hollywood has thrown all kinds of bug-eyed boogie monsters from space at us, but only in a handful of motion pictures (such as the classic The Day The Earth Stood Still) have our "visitors" been depicted as resembling human life as we recognize it, here on Earth. We've been exposed to, a multitude of giant insects, meandering bloobs, things with tentacles and a host of other mix-shaped aliens, but outside of a shapely female cyborg here and there, directors and script writers would lead us to believe that almost all aliens are just plain ugly as sin ... or at least down right weird looking.

With this background in mind, when one enters the UFO arena as a serious researcher, it would seem obvious that common sense would dictate to us the appearance of alien crews based upon "past performance," Thus, you can imagine my surprise when I discovered that human-looking UFOnauts not only exist, but that they play an extremely important role in the riddle of the flying saucers.

When I embarked upon my research of the Nordic-types as they are generally referred to, I certainly was not prepared for what I was to learn. My preconceived ideas were quickly shattered when it came to this particular aspect of the UFO enigma. In my role as an investigator I found that many of those claiming encounters and abductions were describing the same types of beings and events without knowing each other.

For the most part, those whom I spoke with for the purposes of this article are lifelong experiencers. Most frequently their contacts have occurred during the night time hours and in what science might refer to as as altered state of consciousness. In rare instances a small number of individuals have said that their encounters have transpired in broad daylight under like circumstances.

In a total of approximately 100 cases, 36 of the reported episodes involved Nordic-type aliens, Utilizing the testimony of these contactees, I was able to place their experiences in the following categories:

A - The nature and appearance of the Nordics.

B - Special revealing cases that have occurred involving this particular type of being.

C - The Nordics affinity for discussing forthcoming cataclysmic Earth changes.

Appearance and Nature of the Nordics

# We hear first from Donna, a Canadian who hold a BA degree whose experiences started in childhood while residing in Scotland. 'I observed the occurred involving this particular Nordics along with the worker Grays and a group of child-like beings who were very pale. They were all in one place and the Nordics - who were blonde - wear silk ysmooth, light blue suits. The only symbol of their victims I recall is a dragon-like snake with wings. The males were handsome with bottomless blue eyes, set in angular faces. The only emotion they displayed was serene amusement until they began to mentally talk to me. The place had a beautiful glow and atmosphere of serenity. Most of the beings looked young, but there were some there who looked older with beards and flowing robes. I had an intense longing for these beings after I left them, and an intense love, respect, and awe when I was with them."

# Julia, a rural Mississippi housewife. "They do have underground bases, even an under-river base. I have seen the little Grays, the Nordics and their friends the red-eyed apes. They also had a military pilot with them who was being held against his will. The big blondes might weigh 275 lbs., had striking blue eyes, dark skin, and white teeth. Some of the good kind don't like what the bad kind are doing and there is warfare in space."

# Judy, an extensive Texas experiencer recently emotionally declared that if the extraterrestrials who manipulated her into the mess she is in don't help her soon her life is doomed. "Yes, around the age of 11 or 12, I had the first experience with the Blondes as you call them, the Elohim as I call them, when I was sitting in our yard near the plum tree. Suddenly my flesh began to itch and I heard a buzzing sound. Directly in front of me, I saw them through a window in the air. They were very, tall, exceedingly handsome, and dressed in White hermits and suits. The one sitting down had on a long white robe and their eyes were weird for they had light coming from them. I felt they were talking to me, but now I don't remember what was said. After the image vanished the itching stopped and I sat there for a very long time. I knew something truly remarkable had happened to me in this chilling experience."

# Andy Anderson, an Indiana man, has been abducted far too many times for his liking. According to Andy, there also exists a shorter, adolescent appearing Nordic. This kind of entity approached Andy in a normal daylight setting as he worked in a supermarket. The two who approached him spoke a strange language making him think they must be retarded. So began years of frequent abductions in which a Sanskrit-like language was used to communicate. Andy was informed of this and when he spoke the language in public he ended up in a mental hospital under observation. Sanskrit was the language of the ancient Gods of India who flew in aerial craft. Who knows why it has surfaced in modern America in this case of an abductee.

The Giants

There also exists a giant type of Nordie. On a Mediterrean island the titan sized entities were called Genitori. In South America a Costa Rican contactee was taken to a base in the Andes mountains run by giant Nordics. There were also Grays, and humans there too.

Nordic contact has also been reported in such diverse places as England, Spain, Mexico, and Canada. In northern Mexico, in a zone of silence near Cebal los, Durango, Nordies have wandered into town from the desert, accepted refreshments, and then vanished back into the desert. In Canada, one large religious group still has contact with Nordies they call "Overseers." This intirnacy, they say, extends back into ancient days in Europe.

Initially, I was surprised to learn that the Nordics are the controllers of some of the android-like Grays, there are several examples of such cases.

# Near Red Fork Falls, Uanaka Mountain, Tennessee: One August evening in 1990, five persons watched a curious event. Near a large fire was an unusually tall naked man with long blonde hair. Dancing around him were some 30 midgets with large heads.

# A farmhouse bedroom near Floyd's Knob, Indiana: During one abduction a blue eyed Jesus-like figure in resplendent robe appeared in a shaft of sparkling light that came through the ceiling. He took the abductee's hand and said, "Don't be afraid my child! These are mine," gesturing to the little humanoids who were standing around the room.

Now let us turn to our next category. In it we will learn some even more startling things from the very lips of Nordic experiencers. There are a number of close contact cases in which the persons insist that their Nordic friends are physical in every sense of the word.

Special Revealing: Episodes

# Janice, residing in New Hampshire. Since a child she has considered the Nordics as her "other family" and perceives them as true physical beings. She insists, "They are not gods or angels. They are another race who are here because they are responsible for us. I have seen them breathe in a physical state, but not in the non-physical state.

"I have seen them sit, lie down, have sex, but not go to the toilet. However I have used their standup toilet. She also said, "It is the fear a person is living through that changes his or her perception of the experience. Just because I am not afraid doesn't mean I never was. It's the same for the nine other persons I know about. I can't tell you how many times we are referred to as "aliens lovers or delusion-driven breeding stock, because we are no longer afraid."

# Amy, who lives in Michigan, is a very kind experiencer who has tried to help others. My last communication from her had her feeling caught in the middle due to the arrival of new players who gather to find out what the other ETs are doing. The situation has caused her to be hospitalized. She has not seen the Nordics eat, but has seen them resting on what looked like a chaise lounge. Amy told me, "As you know, I believe there are different groups of tall beings making contact. When I stated I had not seen any Nordies with the Zeta's (Grays) .. or maybe what I should have said is that I don't have any recollection of seeing them. I know that Janice and I have the same Zeta contact.

"We have seen each other on board their craft several times. Needless to say, we find this exciting and call each other up in the morning. We have never met in person on Earth. Anyway Janice does see the tall beings the Pleiadians, on board with our group of Zeta's, I would say that not all Nordic types are from the same community and perhaps their goal/agenda is not the same. The Zeta's I am in contact with do have humans living among them. They are from genetic material that they have collected from us earthbound experiencers. I have met several of their people, both human and halflings. I have been shown different living areas for these humans on board.

"One seemed to be for recreation in a park-like atmosphere, I have had several conversations with both males and females about their life there. They seemed genuinely happy people. I do not think they are being treated like slaves."

# A highly respected pastor from Canada says that as a child he was held on the lap of his lifetime mentor "Gold" (Entity has a golden sheen to its eyes which can change color according to its mood), and watched what was done to his loved ones. Over 300 lost time periods and many abductions, details have been recalled over 45 years. Some of these memories involved groups of persons in his religious group.

In his intimate relations with those he calls the "Overseers or non-Terrans," the cleric has seen them breathe, eat, drink, lift some abductees out of a lake with their arms, and glide over the surface of the water,

Here in the Pastor's own stunning words is his description of the Nordics most astonishing appearance. If memory serves me right, it was in late August 1987. Just about all our brethren who would be participating in the almost fall ritual were out on the landscape. That would make about 400 men, women, and children, and several hundred animals. They appeared just as we were commencing our march to our most holy place. One second they were not there, and the next second they were. Of the few brethren who'd been facing in the direction in which they appeared the word was that there was a rippling in the air not unlike that of heat just prior to the arrival of the non-Terrans. A most abrupt silence descended on the group when they realized. Just who had joined our party, It was five Nordics led by my "buddy." Only he was observably masculine. The others were of the non-gender variety as far as we could, determine. As chief functionary I approached Gold. He said they wished to witness the ritual in person.

They hung around for the entirety of the ritual, then went back to the spot where they had arrived before departing in the same manner."

This man who holds a number of PhD's, further explained... "Yes, Don, the ones I have been around do respirate. I have touched and been touched by them on plenty of occasions. You don't think that what I felt was real? Thanks to the number of events wherein I've been in the presence of ephemerals, I assume that I've come to know the difference."

In a later conversation, the Pastor who is also a physician-described some medical instruments and techniques used by his erstwhile benefactor. As the cylinder is passed slowly from the apex of my cranium to the soles of my feet, probes descend and pass through my exterior derma and into my various interiorties. Yes, I do believe that I can sense something, that can be construed as feeling or sensation. Feeling not good or bad but both. It's not unlike being able to laugh and cry at the same time. There is a separate wand which wields the needle which they stick in your nostril. Having thought about it, I'd venture to express that I have seen a little ball-thing that they install, remove or re-install. It's creamic-like only more toward slivery-white. It's quite slender, and some inches in length.

The crunching sound is constant whether they are sticking it into you or taking it out. Sometimes the placement seems to affect the sight of the eye that they've placed the little ball behind."

Some of the things that we have learned about the Nordics are pretty startling. Perhaps what astonished me the most was when I learned due to the series of lifetime experiencers-that our enigmatic Nordics seem to exist in both the space/time dimensional world of the spirit and the physical world of sensory substance. Now let us move on to the fascinating Nordic habit of giving out cataclysmic Earth destruction warnings.

Nordies Warn of Cataclysmic Earth Changes

The dire warnings of a supposed future axis tilt and Earthly chaos repeat themselves like a broken record in the UFOlore of the English and Spanish speaking parts of the world, and probably elsewhere that we don't know about. The warnings date back in Biblical antiquity and other ancient sources and continue to the present day. One amazing source is the Hopi Indian religious mythologies, legends, pictographs, and petroglyps. These - thus far -incredibly accurate predictions seem to come mainly from seven foot, blonde-haired, blue-eyed, Nordics by way of the Hopi ancestors who called them the Hisatsinom. Not Anasazi as is sometimes mistakenly stated. Anasazi is the Navajo word that means enemy ancestor.

Now, let me describe four of my best cases. When it comes to the United States, the southwestern and mid-America/Great Lakes regions seem to be the focal points of the greatest upheaval although plenty of changes are due to happen in other places. Are the Nordics telling it to us straight or are they really colossal deceivers? Or, can they just be off timewise? I have noticed a few important misses I'll give later. Maybe reliability is contingent upon the relative hieratical status of the being imparting the warnings.

# Dannion Brinkley, the man who was struck by lightening and died, spent time with a series of magnificent beings in a fabulous crystal city of light. Thus far many of the 117 predictions that were given to him about future events have come true.

# Sarah, a prolific message receiver wonders if those who identify themselves to her as "The Lifeforce" may not be the well known Ashtar group through her prediction about Ashtar's arrival on Earth in 1994 proved inaccurate. "The place known as California will disappeang. The ocean will relocate during the shift and the deserts of Nevada and Arizona will be a wastrel of waters. The Great Lakes will be destroyed in the latter part of the shift, distributed into waterways that now, are oceans. All animals know what is to come and some are even glad to end their mistreatment at the hands of humans. They prefer to embrace the leaving of this planet. There will be many liftoffs in the days before and right after the shift. All persons have chosen their paths and know within their souls the choice that they have made in advance."

# Donna, of Canada, among my foremost Nordic experiencers, predicted a big quake in California, in 1995 which did happen. Regarding the urging of the Nordics for her to move further north in Ontario, I suggested she stay put, which proved right. Donna said, "California will undergo terrible destruction and most of it will be covered by water. Water will cover some parts of the central USA, including Mississippi, and they specifically mentioned New York. Certain people, myself included, are being trained to be helpers during this crisis.

"Massive numbers of people are going to die, and at death, the Nordics usually assist people in making the transition helping to minimize the fear, disorientation, and trauma. However, there will not be enough Nordics to go around and human helpers will be necessary. The Nordics have always oriented us to the new dimension when we die, moreover, it takes some time, because the shock of "dying" and yet, finding one's self alive and not in heaven or hell in the traditional sense is more than some souls can't olerate. Also, there is normally a 'review' and `evaluation' period where we are required to look over events and choices of our Earthly life and determine which experiences contributed to our evolution of consciousness and which retarded progress."

# Brenda of Kansas has experienced many abductions and on one occasion the Grecian-featured platinum blonde figure with stunning blue eyes, appeared in broad daylight. Brenda has received messages of Earth's destruction as well as other predictions. One of these given in 1989 was that Bob Dole would become president of the U.S. This of course was a clear miss.

# El John, a lifetime New Mexico contactee, also made a prediction of a great California quake in 1994, which never happened, "Most of this I receive from direct physical contacts with Nordic beings like the Orion group, who almost always appear wearing blue tights or jumpsuits. Among those encountered are both light-skin and dark skin beings whose life span is 1,000 to 3,500 Earth years. As far as I know the two mile high tidal wave will, happen soon, striking from the far east.

Due to my own personal involvement, I have come to understand from those involved that each contact with the Nordics can prove to be a gripping drama. To the majority of those who have been selected for contact these beings can be wondrous-almost angelic. But in studying these cases I have come to understand that there are many unanswered questions which these encounters pose to the serious investigator.

For example:

# Exactly who are these beings?

# Where do they reside' and furthermore are they physical or paranormal in form?

# Are their intentions good, bad or indifferent, and are they guided by a supreme, wise, master somewhere whom we might call God?

We know at least some of the Nordics can be classified as "deceivers," as many of their predictions and dire warnings have not proven accurate. As a good case in point, is the recent demise of the followers of the Heavens Gate group. Their leader, Bo or Do, had in the past detailed out of body experiences, mentioned hearing voices, and told of a higher level of consciousness which could be reached with the help of beings from space. Many of his followers were contactees who seem to have been easily swayed by these beautiful entities with awesome powers.

In not one of my 40 articles published over the years have I ever advocated trusting totally in the aliens. I'm convinced 'that all of these aliens should be judged by their actions and riot by what they show or tell anyone they have contacted. We must keep an open mind but always remember never to put our life on the line.

Author's Note: In order to safeguard the reputation of those involved so as they will not be the brunt of ridicule or harassment, no actual names have been used in this article, though the files are here at my home for reference. Those with experiences to relate may contact me at:

1051 Beech Street, Connersville, IN 47331.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:55:12 pm
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Hi again, all, I was just browsing and stumbled onto this little section of the Book of Enoch, which compares aliens with the fallen angels of Enoch. It's a bit long, but worth a read!
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/sherry/who-is-what.htm
The Difference Between Fallen Angels, Demons,
Aliens, Jedi, and the Watchers

By Sherry Shriner


In these last days, the Bible says it will be a time of mass hybridization and the mixture and corruption of human DNA by fallen angels, also known as "Aliens."

The government is and has been, conditioning the existence of aliens through Hollywood, science fiction, cartoons, and other sources. However, they are not telling you the whole truth.

These Aliens are not ascended masters, or enlightened ones, or beings from galaxies millions of miles away, nor are they our forefathers or original creators. They are fallen angels who were kicked out of heaven for their rebellion against the headship of God, and they believe they have one last chance to try to usurp His authority. They know He is coming to the earth to destroy them once and for all, (Battle of Armageddon) and to gather those who are His and to establish His reign on earth.

The Lord has told me that in the coming days, these Aliens will make their presence more visibly and physically known on earth.

As the end times approach, the lies of extra terrestrial lineage, heritage, and creation will come out in full force.

Two Separate Rebellions in the Early Days

Most people are familiar with the rebellion of Satan wanting to be like God and wanting to be worshipped as God. For his sins of rebellion and pride, he lost his rulership over the planets he resided over and lost his place in heaven as a high ranking archangel.

What most people do not realize is that the rebellion of Satan's, leading 1/3 of the angels to try to usurp God's authority, and the rebellion of the Watchers are two separate events.

The Watcher's were not a part of Satan's rebellion; they created their own rebellion against God by deciding to leave their first estate which was heaven, and go to the earth to cohabitate with human women. Why doesn't the church ever address this issue? In fact, why did they try to cover it up by leaving Enoch out of the canon version of the Bible, and then manipulate the meaning "sons of God." They mistranslated Sons of God, (angels of God) creating some ridiculous theory suggesting it to mean Sons of Seth. People bought that explanation because they did not realize there was such a huge difference in changing that text around and it would keep them from the truth and allow the churches to cover it up.

Enoch was one of the greatest Prophets of God to have ever walked the Earth. In his lifetime he wrote 365 books. We have one of them. Where are the others? Are they lost or being kept hidden? It is in Enoch where we first learn about the rebellion of the Watchers, the angels assigned to watch over and guard over the earth

In Enoch

Chapter 6:1 it says..

1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters.

2 And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men

3 and beget us children.' And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them:

Enoch then continues to discuss a deal he makes with fellow Watchers to all commit the same sin.

In verse 7, it says that there were 200 chiefs on the summit of Mount Hermon, which is located on the border of Lebanon and Syria and stands over 9,000 feet high. They agreed to come to earth and cohabitate with women.

These 200 chiefs were each in charge of tens of thousands of other Watchers. So how many fell with them.We do not know, maybe they all did. That would put the number into the hundreds of thousands that fell from heaven and came to earth.


Chapter 7

1 And all the others together with them (this indicates their armies did follow them) took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms

2 and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they

3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed

4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against

5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and

6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood (cannibalism). Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.


Chapter 8

1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all

2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they

3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven .


Chapter 9


1 And then Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel looked down from heaven and saw much blood being

2 shed upon the earth, and all lawlessness being wrought upon the earth. And they said one to another: The earth made without inhabitant cries the voice of their cryings up to the gates of heaven.

3 And now to you, the holy ones of heaven, the souls of men make their suit, saying, "Bring our cause

4 before the Most High. And they said to the Lord of the ages: Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings, and God of the ages, the throne of Thy glory (standeth) unto all the generations of the

5 ages, and Thy name holy and glorious and blessed unto all the ages! Thou hast made all things, and power over all things hast Thou: and all things are naked and open in Thy sight, and Thou seest all

6 things, and nothing can hide itself from Thee. Thou seest what Azazel hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven, which

7 men were striving to learn: And Semjaza, to whom Thou hast given authority to bear rule over his associates. And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the

9 women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins. And the women have

10 borne giants, and the whole earth has thereby been filled with blood and unrighteousness. And now, behold, the souls of those who have died are crying and making their suit to the gates of heaven, and their lamentations have ascended: and cannot cease because of the lawless deeds which are

11 wrought on the earth. And Thou knowest all things before they come to pass, and Thou seest these things and Thou dost suffer them, and Thou dost not say to us what we are to do to them in regard to these.


Chapter 10


1 Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech

2 and said to him: Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come

3 upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape

The following verses and chapters talk about their judgment and confinement, then in chapter 15 Yahweh speaks to Enoch directly, who the Watchers had approached to intercede for them on their behalf ..

Chapter 15

1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous

2 man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: "You should intercede" for men, and not men for you: Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children

4 of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die

5 and perish. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget

6 children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly

7 spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling.


Demons..

8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon

9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin;

10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.]

11 And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless

12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.

These are the demons we deal with, that most confuse as aliens. The demons roam the earth and torment mankind, causing them to sin and everything else.

These passages describe the first Watchers rebellion against the Lord. They came to earth, impregnated human women, and produced giant offspring. God then destroyed the world with a Flood to get rid of them. But it did not stop the rebellions. Genesis 6:4 states that even after the flood some of the Watchers continued to rebel against God and come to earth. At the time Israel left Egypt, they had to conquer some 20 cities of the Watchers giant children to reclaim the land of Israel as their own. The Watchers were known as the Annunaki, or the heroes of old, men of renown as mentioned in Genesis 6:4.

In Genesis, Chapter 6, from the Jewish translation of the Torah it says:

“When men began to increase on earth and daughters were born to them, the divine beings saw how beautiful the daughters of men were and they took wives from among those that pleased them....It was then, and later too, that the Nephilim appeared on earth - when the divine beings cohabited with the daughters of men, who bore them offspring. They were the heroes of old, the men of renown."

In the Sumerian language, the term Annunaki meant "from heaven who came to earth"

Fallen Angels

The Bible is full of accounts of Israel dealing with hybrids. Genesis 6:4 says, "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that." They are also referred to as Rephaim, Annunaki (sons of Annuk), Emim, Zamzummim, "also after that" is referring to the Nephilim who were again found in the land of Canaan Numbers: 13:33, "And there we saw giants, the sons of Annak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, so we were in their sight." The word Nephilim means "violent" "causing to fall" "wonder" "prodigies" or "monsters"

When fallen angels shape-shift into a human form, they can have intercourse but not without some aberrant genetic changes. The union of these beasts with humans produced children that were different in many ways. The first apparent difference was that they developed giantism. They were giants or Nephilim. Og, the King of Bashan, had a bed that was 13 to 15 feet long; and Goliath was 6 cubits tall (9 feet). The second aberration was that they had six fingers and six toes.

The aberrant genetic defects of the Nephilim were unfortunately cloned into the DNA of mankind. These dormant genetic tendencies still surface today at times in different people; however, most of the noticeable DNA defects have been perfected over the centuries to where hybrids can easily be born into a society that never suspects them of being other than completely human. The Watchers are a guardian class of angels that were assigned to watch over the earth and protect mankind from just this sort of thing happening. The offspring giants never went out of existence; they just went "underground" to return later, which is now, during these last days.

According to the Bible, the Book of Enoch, Jubilees, Jasher, and Testimony of the Twelve Patriarchs, they rebelled against God and attempted to enslave the whole world and provoke God. According to the Book of Jasher, they not only tweaked with the D.N.A. of mankind but also with the animals. They may have produced such beasts as the Pegasus, Minotaur, the unicorn, and the dinosaurs.

In the past, scholars speculated that one day it would be hybridization which would create the antichrist and that these fallen angel-Aliens would develop and produce a creature that is fully fallen angel and fully man. A bastard angelic incarnation.

The antichrist will be Satan's seed--a Nephilim. See Genesis 3:15, Genesis 6:4, and Revelation 13. This will probably include cloning and a hybrid or of the serpent seed illuminati-bloodline.

All along, the abductions of humans breeding experiments was to perfect the ultimate breed, half man, half alien to produce Satan incarnate in man. And they have it now, and they have Mabus waiting for his cue to descend to earth.

There are those who believed all the giant offspring and offspring of the fallen angels were destroyed during the flood. Not true. The Philistines were hybrids, giants i.e. Goliath. As were most of the races that Joshua and Israel had to conquer once Israel was freed from Egypt.

The Bible states that in the end times it will be just like the days of Noah. (Matthew 24:37-38, Luke 17:26) Also we believe that in Genesis 6:2 that the sons of God were fallen angels. We believe this from Job 1:6, II Peter 2:4-5, Jude 1:6 (Very important verse, "did not keep their own domain"), I Peter 3:18-20 and Revelation 9:1-12.

In the days of Noah, the fallen angels were mixing/breeding with the daughters of men (such as what the greys are doing now to humans, read about the Dulce Base). We have many hybrids in our midst, most notably the rise of "star" children who have "special" skills and talents highlighted in the movie X2 Men, released in 2003.

The mixing of genes which started with Cain's daughters, the women of Cainan, created a DNA defect called giantism. Their children were giants. Some were 30 feet tall. Demons are the spirits of the dead Nephilim (I'll just refer to Nephilim as a collective term to include all the races of the Annunaki offspring). Jedi, refers to all of the fallen angels who have ever rebelled against the Lord and were cast out of heaven. A collective term for Lucifer, his forces, and the Watchers-Annunaki.

The Bible Codes confirm that the Annunaki, had offspring called the Nephilim that were giants. The Annunaki are the Watchers. There are two different Factions within the Annunaki: the Enki and the Enlil. The draconians infiltrated and inbred within both groups of the Annunaki. The Draconians are red dragons, the same as Lucifer is.

There are groups of fallen angels competing for global dominance and control within the Third Faction of the New World Order.

These are the games they play. One group plays as good shepherds claiming to want to help mankind while they kidnap, mutilate, implant, impregnate, and use human body parts as a skin rejuvenation and coloring maintenance technique.

The other faction plays as protectors and basic non-interventionists, the good cop/bad cop strategy. We all know that when someone says they aren't in your business that that is exactly what they are into. Both of these factions seek to destroy and dominate earth, setting up the path and reign of Satan, also known as the Antichrist. Of course, they will not tell you who he really is, he will play the role of Ascended Master, Wise one, Great Teacher, Peacemaker, Messiah, a great world leader, or whatever else they can sell to a gullible population of earthlings.

There are two factions or groups within the Annunaki, known as the Enki and the Enlil.

The Enki faction of the Anunnaki

Includes but not limited to:

• Greys from Zeta Reticulum (small greys with the oversized heads who like to mutilate and experiment on humans), also includes Tall Greys (from Orion),

• Reptilians (Earth based), Lizards. These are notably in charge of establishing a one world government through our political leaders. Shape-shift into human form and also use humans as hosts to possess and work through.

• Draco-Reptilians from Orion, the ones really running the show while the others do their bidding. It is the Dracos who are the rulers over the greys and the reptilians. (There are some who believe the Nordic humanoids are Reptilians in disguise). The draco's are shape-shifters, they are annunaki - lizard, they are the ones coming on Planet X (Rahab). The Draconians are red dragons. Lucifer himself lost his once held beauty and was turned into an ugly red dragon. The Reptilians (lizards), greys, and others are all classes of what we call aliens, but were once beautiful angels.

• Annunaki - those who joined in Lucifer's rebellion against the Lord.

-and the Enki faction of the Anunnaki, also draconian, inhabitants of Rahab, (giant humanoids from their home planet Nibiru, a group of them stayed on earth while the others allegedly left to return sometime soon).

These are the ones who seek to harm and destroy mankind, and will do so, as they rule and dominant the earth with Satan and the New World Order.


The Enlil faction of the Anunnaki

The Enlil play a more protective role of Earth. They hate the Draconians and their ruler, Satan.

The Draconians are the archenemy of the Nordics. The Nordics hate them. They hate Satan, they hate the NWO. The coming planet X is more draconians/annunaki, shape-shifting lizards/humanoid Giants to help Satan dominate and rule the world during the tribulation period.

The Draconians are the dominant race of the (Enki), and the Nordics and other humanoid groups are the dominant races of the (Enlil).

What gets confusing is that humanoid races joined with the Dracos, so the humanoids are in both groups.

The Nordics and other humanoid races are largely very human in appearance, approximately 7-8 feet tall, blonde hair, blue eyes (Aryans). Hitler referred to them as "the master race." Ever wonder why Hitler was so obsessed with a master race of Aryans when he was Jewish?

The Nordics and other human looking alien races were also at one time beautiful angels. Although they did not lose their good looks and forced to look like the ugly beings of Lucifer and his angels were, they were cast out of heaven, nonetheless, and lost the qualities of being angels.

This Enlil faction includes the human looking groups, such as:

• Nordics (Lyra); Also live in an underground city underneath Mount Shasta. Human looking, tall blondes.

• Sirians (Sirius B); human looking

• Pleiedians, from the belt of Orion, human looking.

• Alpha Centaurians - human looking

• Venusians - human looking

The ancient Sumerians had their ancient culture saturated with the Annunaki. The name Sumerian means, "who from heaven came." The Sumerians and the Egyptians were both Alien-hybrid races.

The Bible says Lucifer resides in the first and second heavens (space); that is where he resides, and not in hell, as many believe. Satan has dominion over the first and second heavens but not over all the alien races, only those who rebelled with him specifically and not those who rebelled later.

He rules from Orion and is a winged Draconian. He is not omniscient, or omnipresent, thus he needs his minions to cover a lot of territory on the earth to keep up with what is going on in what we call reconnaissance and spying. Are UFO's real? Yes, they have vehicles to travel in, but these are not Aliens from galaxies in other universes, but from our own solar system and own outer space.

As in the days of Noah, so shall the last days be. Although the humanoid races tend to stay out of earth affairs and tend to uphold a neutral stand and just watch everything, the Luciferian groups of aliens (greys, reptilians) will run rampant on the earth, and are doing so already.

But we have not seen anything yet like we are going to in the near future.

They have perfected DNA manipulation and can look human while being hybrid/demon/aliens, (such as "star children" hybrids) with the ability to shape-shift into their original form and then back into a human form. No, this is not science fiction or Saturday morning cartoon central.

This is real! Fiction, Cartoons, X-Files, this was/ is just conditioning to get you and your children used to seeing these things happen and to just accept it when it starts to happen more in the future, exposing it instead of keeping it behind closed doors.

If you want to know what is going on, sometimes the best information is in the tabloids disguised as fiction or in Hollywood movies, where they often reveal plans and agendas disguised as entertainment. One of the more notable quotes I've never forgotten was one of the last lines in a movie I watched last year from XMen 2 in which one of the hybrids says, "We've been playing by your rules long enough. Now, maybe, it's time you started to play by ours"

Phil Schneider a civil engineer contracted to build secret underground facilities for clandestine organizations (the ones dealing with these "aliens" and signing treaties with them), described the evidence he encountered that ETs would be the true rulers of a one world government, and was a reason why he and many others left the 'service' of US based clandestine organizations. Schneider was killed in what appears to be a naval assassination hit.

In fact, whenever you start to talk about or expose the government's involvement with aliens, their treaties with them or their plans, you become a target, just as Bill Cooper, former navy intelligence officer, who wrote "Behold a Pale Horse." He was gunned down in a stand off with Sheriff Deputies at his home last year.

Many have tried to wake up and warn the public about the aliens in our midst, I encourage you to read The Dulce Base book on my website at thewatcherfiles.com. It is all there. You can read all of it right from the website. Also, the Cosmic Conflict series that is on the website has great insight and information concerning what the government keeps from the public.

The Veil is being lifted, and the time will come when men will reject sound doctrine and accept doctrine of devils; (aliens) through false prophets (todays pastors). The time is coming when we will see with through the spiritual realm and those in it. Fallen Angel Hybrids and Reptilian Draconians Masquerading as Ascended Masters, our Creators, and Beings of Light; they will deceive the world and prepare the heralding of their master...the Antichrist.

They were here before, and They will come back again

According to the prophecy of Daniel, they will do it again in the 4th and final kingdom of the beast. "They will mingle with the seed of men." Daniel 2: 43. It is this UFO phenomena, once revealed, that could be the trigger of the falling away (apostasy) of the church as predicted in 2 Thessalonians 2:3.

The Bible warns that because the 'world' rejects the truth of the Bible that God "will send them a strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they may all be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." 2 Thessalonians 2:11.

I believe the coming delusion or 'lie' is coming right from the UFO/New Age phenomena. The UFO cults say that the aliens are the Elohim, that they are our "God" (gods) that they are our forefathers and they created us and are returning to help us restore peace on the earth, -This is THE LIE this is also the driving force behind the New World Order that they're not telling you about!

The truth is, an alien or demonic invasion isn't coming..it's already here

For some reason most of church believes the Nephilim race was destroyed by the flood..then where did Goliath come from? The Amalek, the Kenites, all the 18 hybrid cities Joshua destroyed to reclaim the land of Israel? They didn't go anywhere, except maybe underground..to perfect dna mixing..to come out again in the last days undetected.

They have perfected the giant gene defect. In fact, now they can shop in our stores, sit next to us on a bus, and most wouldn't know any different. They look human..but they are not. They are the tares sown into the wheat.

The church has been silent about UFOs and abductions. About hybridization, fetus thefts, the impregnation of women by these beings.

Now that they've assimilated into our population as star children, politicians and civilians, who can detect them?





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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:56:50 pm
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Check it out! We're all posting on the same topic at the same night! Is that an example of psychic intuition or what..?
I'm ready for a big shake-up in the world, Herefornow! For so long the government has tried to keep the truth away from us, that we have not only been watched, but visited. Those who buy into the myth that this is the only inhabited world in the unviverse will be scared to sh***less. The rest of us won't be. We know what's ahead and it won't be pretty.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:57:23 pm
 
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"Riding the big black train to Armageddon," I like that, Jennie.
Anyone ever wonder how, in what practical way, aliens could visit the earth when it takes years for modern space vehicles to even get to the planets of this solar system? I'm thinking that they are NOT from other worlds in this universe, but ships from a parallel universe that travel in and out of this galaxy through the use of black holes. Think about it. It's the only scientific way for these ships to travel.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:57:55 pm
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Herefornow, the way I figure it, the people who are the most strongly against Atlantis, aliens, or anything else that is "out there" get that way cause they've gotten jaded and need to be convinced otherwise. I look at it as part of our job to convince them. All it means to me is that I need to come up with better proof.
This is cool. This may be your Atlantis conection to all this, Jen.


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The Pleiades in Mythology
In the Encyclopedia we find this: Pleiades (mythology), in Greek mythology, seven daughters of Atlas and of Pleione, the daughter of Oceanus. Their names were Electra, Maia, Taygete, Alcyone, Celaeno, Sterope, and Merope. According to some versions of the myth, they committed suicide from grief at the fate of their father, Atlas, or at the death of their sisters, the Hyades. Other versions made them the attendants of Artemis, goddess of wildlife and of hunting, who were pursued by the giant hunter Orion, but were rescued by the gods and changed into doves. After their death, or metamorphosis, they were transformed into stars, but are still pursued across the sky by the constellation Orion.

IMIN.BI (Sumerian), ilu sibitti (Akkadian). Greek myth says these were 7 daughters of Atlas and Pleione. They are in the constellation Taurus. Japanese = Subaru. Pleiades means 'flock of doves'. These are Nordic aliens originally from Lyra. Alcyone is the central star.

Lyra is the original star of the Nordic type aliens. Lyra was invaded by the Saurian type aliens, and the Nordics escaped to the Pleiades, Hyades, and Vega. These are the good guys. Note that some Nordics have been seen under the control of greys, however.

The Taygetans : These aliens are from the star system Taygeta, in the Pleiades star cluster, in the constellation Taurus. So they're probably the Nordic types originally from Lyra.

In another encyclopedia we find this: Pleiades - The Pleiades are the seven daughters of Atlas and Pleione. They were the virgin companions of Artemis. When Orion, a beautiful hunter, pursued them and their mother, they prayed to the gods for rescue. The gods answered they prayer and they were changed into doves, and later into stars. Zeus placed them in the sky where they formed a part of the constellation of Taurus.

According to another myth, they committed suicide after the death of their sisters the Hyades.
Native Americans call the Hyades the husbands of the Pleiades.

The Pleiads are Alcyone, Electra, Celaeno, Maia, Sterope, Merope and Taygete. In doing some research on my own harddrive, this is the first thing I came across: Ancient Egyptian records translate the Pleiades as "Krittikas" , "female judges of mankind" - they primarily equated them as the Seven Hathors, whom the dead had to remember and speak the names of those Goddesses to pass their examination to enter the ancient Egyptian perception of paradise, which was in the distant stars ... Modern Egyptians relate to the Pleiades as the Seven Midwives.

In archaic seven-gated Thebes, the Pleiades were represented by Seven Mantic Priestesses, who were linked to the Seven Pillars of Wisdom, an era when the Seven Hathors ruled over a rather grim calendar cycle which had the Sacred King slain every seventh year.

In ancient Europe, the Pleiadian May to November cycle was represented by the Maytime feast of life and the November feast of death ... Though quite obviously frowned upon by the early church in that era, upon All Souls Day (November first), prayers for the dead were recited in the direction of the Pleiades (a somewhat obvious archaic hold-over/link to the Egyptian ritual of the dead, which included, speaking the names of the Seven Hathors to enter the paradise in the distant stars)

Interestingly, milk is a symbol in stories about Skanda, the second son of Shiva and Parvati. Scholars say that the symbolism in these stories is rather silly, but quite meaningful. Skanda has seven heads and twelve arms. He lives in a forest of trees. His seven mouths are fed milk from the seven stars of The Pleiades. The Hindu Milk MiraclE.


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http://www.greatdreams.com/pleiades/7sisters.htm
The Pleiades were the daughters of Alas, it is also the name of the Nord's homeworld. Atlas was the first son of Poseidon, who created Atlantis.

Pleiades may be another version of the myth of Atlantis. Maybe it's the real name of the land "Atlantis."

Is that a sharp piece of detective work or what?


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:58:15 pm
 
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Trevor, the other dimensional thing may be the way they travel, but I'm thinking the place the little gray dudes travel from is Hell. Maybe...they're demons..?
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"Anyone ever wonder how, in what practical way, aliens could visit the earth when it takes years for modern space vehicles to even get to the planets of this solar system? I'm thinking that they are NOT from other worlds in this universe, but ships from a parallel universe that travel in and out of this galaxy through the use of black holes. Think about it. It's the only scientific way for these ships to travel."
Not if they can bend space or create worm
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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nordic rep here.
we are here. we hide among you. your vast oceans provide the necessary refuge we seek.
we are seen and understood by the ones who temporarily alter their perceptions. as the third eye is liberated, so too are the minds that harbor it.

veneration of the liberative chemicals is essential. happy trails!


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:59:18 pm
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Via Mars, if you're one of them, maybe you can answer me this burning question: what's with all the anal probes? Don't you think you guys are going just a wee bit overboard with them?
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 22, 2008, 11:59:37 pm
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Mars,
maybe you and Akata could get together and team up.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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But you guys are supposed to have some secret knowledge of the grays, right? Come on, fess up, what is with their bunghole fixation?
I live in a college town, there's threesomes going on all the time. You'll have to be more specific! What type of, ah, specific human sexual behavior do you want to observe? Just let me know and I'll try to set you up. Have to be extra quiet, though, you wouldn't want to get enlisted in the cause. (Joke)



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:01:50 am
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What...a...pig.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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The alien discussion seems to have taken a turn for the worst.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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I think it's cute, I think people should have more of a sense of humor. I would like to get back to a more practical discussion of the Nordics, though. Trent, you mentioned Pleiades and Poseidon. That reference is like totally lost on me. Anything about them that may make one think they are of original alien origin? Anyone here an expert in Greek mythology? Cause my knowledge of that stuff is basic at best.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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I don't claim to be an expert, but I have studied the Classical age of Greece at length. In order to answer that question, one first has to know where the information concerning the alien origins came from. Since it came from the supposed victims of alien abduction, I imagine it's source is speculative at best. All the planets and stars were given names from Greek and Roman mythology. It would be a simple matter for someone to have heard of a system named "Pleiades," and repeat it as part of a fantasy involving aliens of some sort.
The question raised would be, how many people have come up with the same name as a reference for the origin of these beings and is the information always consistent? I'm guessing it isn't, which is where the names "Lyra" and others come in.

As you can see, I'm not a firm believer in the alien abduction phenomenum.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:03:28 am
 
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Dawn, I'm not certain that any star system was ever named "Lyra" or "Pleiades," let alone that the name came from Greek mythology. As for alien abuduction, I doubt that they are all a load of crap. Many of them are seeing the same things. Some of them are pretty respectable people, middle-aged people, I doubt that they are all smoking weed or on LSD (okay, some probably
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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You tell her, Trent! The truth is out there...somewhere....


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yep, them nordics are a funny bunch. sly too.
last time we ran low on earth funds, we had to push the nordic machine on the populace. surely a low point in our early surveillance days. as sectoid leader, i have decided that total reliance on scheduled replacements and supply orders from the next system would be imprudent. van allen belt delays, warp time snarls, even the passing of planet x, can ruin the best laid plans.
but then again, we're known for our adaptability.
however, the white power movement is waning, as is our account balance.
i just hope we don't have to unleash the frisbee on the humans. they might put two and two together and come up with unconventional flight. egads!

nordic rep, signing out.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Trent both Lyra and the Pleaides are constellations, not star systems. The stars in them are quite a ways apart, you know, like numbers so large you couldn't comprehend them anyway. A lot of these UFO and alien diciples are so ignorant about astronomy that their stories are nothing short of hilarious.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:04:44 am
 
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Brig,
as long as we are all laughing, here's another hilarious one.......

"by the time Adam was smart enough to build a wall he had already been driven fron Eden for disobeying God." (brig- 11/16/04)


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Brig
Actually the Pleiades are not a constellation but an open cluster. They are not a "line of sight" phenomenon.
http://www.crystalinks.com/pleiades.html



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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http://www.mufor.org/zeta2ret.html
http://www.billymeier.com/pleiadians.htm
http://nibiruancouncil.com/html/nibirumessages.html#Nov7
http://users4.ev1.net/~taragem/ufo.htm
http://www.geocities.com/dflorig/00noalienspage.html

http://www.martianrevelation.com/knizepart1.html
http://marathon.bungie.org/story/notext.html

http://www.alienobserver.com/files/images/images_index.html

This is about all I could come up with on contact for now.....

I going to try to find more on this later tonight.Happy Turkey day,and y'all have yer'selves a good one.......


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:06:23 am
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Jennie, the book I have on aliens is called "the Complete Book of Aliens and Abductions." It's got pictures of the Nordic aliens in it. Hope that helps.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:06:42 am
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Hey Brig, I didn't start this thread, I'm not even blonde, blame Jennie.
I have done a little more work on this, though, and the aliens from Pleiades aren't even blonde, they're more of a Mediterranean type breed (dark-haired like me). It's the guys from Lyra, their cousins, that are the true Nordic type.

Via neglected to tell us of that one little detail when he was going over their ultimate goals and objectives. He may be qualified to speak for Lyra, but not the Pleidians. They are a race unto their own.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:06:59 am
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It's awesome that open-mindedness is a strong point in any veiw.
Jennie did a good job in expressing what she and others have found to be interesting. (including myself)
It doesn't matter how much evidence supports or degrades the exsistance of other life of any kind. The most important thing that we have to acknowledge with a discussion like this is the fact that outside information strongly supports the exsistance thereof.
I think in a sence that is what we are discussing here.
As for Jennie's credibility, she has presented what information she had about other life and did so in an unbias way.....
Thats good reporting!


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Thanks for your support, HereForNow. Trent, to heck with you, guy, for your lack of support!
Stacy, thanks for the title of that book, I'll be sure to check it out. Somebody should just write a book about the Nordic Aliens, it's a great topic.

I refuse to believe that all the alien abudction cases out there are just pure bunk. There are some very credible people that had the experiences. The gray guys are the ones that have been doing the abductions anyway, the Nordic one never do any adbuctions! They're just here to warn us about the gray guys.

By the way, they were originally from planet Pleiades, they've relocated now to Lyra.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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Aliens aren't really my thing, but there has to be something to some of these alien abductions else there wouldn't be so many of them. And why does everyone always report seeing the same thing? It would be one thing if they were seeing all different kind of aliens. Seems to me the fact that they are only seeing the little gray guys would mean they have to be real.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Hope everyone had a decent Thanksgiving.
Jen, I share your interest in the extraterrestial stuff, but in my opinion at best maybe 50% of it is true. The others who tell those stories are either crazy little buggers or have found some good weed.

Interesting that the gray guys are consistently the villains of this piece and have been around since the 1940's. The Nordic types were around since the 1950's but, from what I hear haven't been seen since the early nineties. One wonders what happened to them.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Jennie- In regaurds to a book, I was wondering if a book about suppressed technology would be a good book to publish?
TSM is a member of the forum and he was advertising an implosion wing that improved the way your car used fuel.He was also the one who invented it. http://quantumgravitics.tripod.com/id3.html

Others like George Guidler and John Hutchison
have done other sciences and were silenced over and over. http://hutchison.innoplaza.net/

Aside from paranormal investigating, I passionately research technologies that may have been used in ancient times and could be used now...... http://www.free.bzsounds.com/ http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&new_topic=10 http://www.freedomprivacy.com/alternative-energy/

This would be something that I'm sure would be of interest to a few groups that would otherwise disregaurd the claims about Mu,Atlantis,and so on. Not to mention,it may be a change of power with oil companies in mind.I feel this is the reason these technologies are forbidden.
With this in mind,knowledge like the kind we all are researching even now is step toward the truth and knowledge thereof.

I'm seeing now that all these topics keep connecting the same way.
An involvment of extraterrestial beings is present in every step of human development.
This in itself is a point that should not be taken for granted. This is missing history that may have everything to do with the direction man takes in the future.



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Catastrophe, I figured you'd catch that. However, I didn't want to go into the details of it when 90% of the population considers the Pleiades to be a constellation. I think that most people think that because they are also called The Seven Sisters and are eternally running away from Orion. Yes they are a cluster, but they are still very far apart in human terms.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Gee, this is shaping up to be one of the best threads, in my opinion! HereForNow, I think there would definitely be a market for all kinds of suppressed technology. Are we re-inventing things the ancients already had years ago? Could be!
Spiritwalker, I would love to hear about both your visitations, in more detail. Any kind of E.T. experience interests me.

I liked that link you provided, even though I don't buy the purely psychological bent to it.

Here is a quote from it:

"In both cases people are being violated by seemingly cold, selfish, and compassionless beings; they are experiencing primal helplessness in the face of forces they are utterly powerless to avoid, control, or even understand; and in both there is the seemingly contradictory message that there may be method in the supernatural beings’ apparent madness after all. (291)"

Sounds like some guys I've known!



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That's a joke right?
Which mountain?
Who's TSM?
What did your dad's invention look like?
Anything about my favorite aliens in there??


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not a joke.
iron mountain - look it up.
temporal subliminal man - a fellow forum member who usually graces the threads that tend to deal with alternative sciences, ancient technology, and anti-gravitics.
the original housing/design was somewhat pyramidal shaped, but was then fashioned into more of a cylindrical form to minimize size, weight, and to eliminate bulkiness. it is described variously as an exhaustless propulsion system, more efficient generator, linear accelerator. it is ridiculuosly simple in design and theory, but calibration of mass in the armature as pertains to timing/sequencing is critical. it can be mounted on just about anything as a form of powering/motoring. or it can be directly harnessed much like the shaft of a propeller. basically, it generates huge amounts of spin/energy relative to the very little input required - therefore the description of more effecient generator.
currently miniature versions seem to have the most versatility and utility. it has been looked at by various agencies i.e. wright patterson, nasa, ft. belvoir. all i can say presently ...
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:10:04 am
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So I looked it up.
Not much in the way of solid info on Iron Mountain, but I think I get the picture.
Any particular link you can point me to? Sounds interesting.
Are you a scientist, Via Mars??
You sure are starting to sound like one!
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well jenny, i don't know as much as i would like to, regarding the repository. however, it has been featured on marden marvels or some such learning channel source.
it's not the only place of it's type, but probably the largest and most secure of any in the mid and eastern states. besides many documents from the patent office, it contains many original recordings, tapes, and other media. the site also has a commercial document storage facility for sensitive and/or proprietary data, microfiche, and other similar data storage devices - even hard drives.
certain federal storage places exist, some at military sites, crystal city, and others out west.
you can bet your bottom dollar that all those crazy devices invented over the years that are deemed national security risks, many of which have never been viewed by the public, are stashed in these sites.
count various ancient antiquities as likely shelf denizens too - the smithsonian can't be trusted to guard everything in that respect.
me a scientist? maybe deep down inside, but i never finished high school. however, i am an adherant to the scientific method. i also like to do my best spock imitation when confronted with curiosities. when all else fails, what's left is logic. whether perceived or not.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:11:16 am
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So I still haven't found much about Iron Mountain, but I did run across this cool article about aliens controlling the government that I would like everyone's opinion on:

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com


From Surfing the Apocalypse

ALIENS BEHIND WORLD GOVERNMENT
by
D. M.

17th March 2004

The plan for the New World Order did not originate on Earth – it is a system devised by aliens. The concept of the New World Order is based upon an old Anunnaki system which has been employed in other galaxies a long, long time ago. This system is now being pushed for implementation on Earth by the Anunnaki Remnants who remain on Earth. The Anunnaki Remnants are the ones that were left behind on Earth by the Anunnaki Elite when they escaped this world (see my previous writing of Nibiru and the Anunnaki for further explanation).

The New World Order is based upon the premise that there is to be a supreme commander who oversees the affairs of the world. During transition into a global government smaller and weaker nations are being forced or lured into accepting self-appointed stronger nations to act as their police force. Later, the police force will expand and become an international police force under a single master. At first, this will appear to be a plan for a peaceful co-existence amongst nations which will benefit all nations. However, it is a plan to eliminate all nation states, freedom, civil rights and to control the people of the world under a single ideology in the name of one global community.

The New World Order is a One World Order with a hidden agenda to rule by fear, control, exploitation and bullying. The ruling elite of the world’s wealthy, powerful and influential have been pushing for a New World Order with a One World Government under the pretence of establishing world peace while they are in fact imposing their will upon every nation. They call themselves the “peacemakers” but in truth they are an international police force which organized “war crimes” tribunals, supposedly to give the “political criminals” a fair trial before persecuting them.

The vast majority of the ruling elite of the world are either descendants of Anunnaki Remnants or their supporters. A trait of the Anunnaki is to rule by instigating people to remain in a state of perpetual conflict. Peace is not even a consideration of the Anunnaki, who are a warmongering, bloodthirsty, lustful, perverted, deceptive, brutal race of beings who have controlled the Earth for a long time.

At present, the fragmentation, conflict, hate, jealousy, suspicion, mistrust, intolerance, biasness amongst nations, cultures and those of diverse religions etc. appear to be obstacles to the realisation of One World Order. However, each of those traits was introduced by the Anunnaki as part of their plan to rule by segregation and division. The rule by fragmentation was only a transitional phase in a very long-range plan to bring about a One World Government by claiming that such a government can bring about world peace. In fact, the One World Government is a tool for the establishment of an absolute dictatorship over the entire world – a tyranny. Once the plan is in its final stages, it will be forced upon everyone. The people of the world will have no choice but to toe the line and follow the dictates of the One World Order or face severe consequences.

For a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together under supposedly one common cause, humanity becomes enslaved to its One World Order sovereignty. The New World Order will not happen overnight. The idea was seeded a long, long time ago, and slowly but certainly it is weaving its way unsuspectedly through the monetary, political, religious, cultural, educational, scientific etc. systems. It started to gain momentum in the last 10 years. The speed of its emergence has taken a quickened stride in the last three years, with one planned event after another taking place in various parts of the world in order to test and exercise the power of the would-be New World Order under the leadership of self-proclaimed, “high” moral standing personnel with the backing of a powerful dictatorial government.

At present, while the current push for a New World Order appears to be under the control of an elite group of Anunnaki Remnants which I call the “Vulturites”, the real control is under the more cunning group of Anunnaki Remnants, which have been called the “Reptilians”. These two groups of Anunnaki Remnants are in perpetual conflict with one another. However, for the time being, the Reptilians are purposely backing off to trick the Vulturites into doing the dirty job of setting up the New World Order before taking it over from them when they feel the time is right.

As I have stated a long time ago, most of the consciousnesses of the Reptilian Anunnaki Remnants who were previously residing in human bodies predominantly in the United States and some parts of Europe have now shifted their locations to China. Consciousnesses of the Vulturite Anunnaki Remnants have now taken over most of those bodies previously occupied by the Reptilian Anunnaki Remnants.

The process towards the One World Order was implemented long ago on Earth. Recent aspects of the move are seen in the evolution of credit card systems, identification systems, smart card systems, social security systems, taxation systems, health care cards etc. – these are just some of the recent systems introduced to control, condition, profile and keep tab of the whereabouts and activities of people. Yet superficially, these systems appear to be signs of advancement in technology and affluence so most people are not aware of the hidden agenda behind these schemes.

Already, humans are being secretly micro-chipped with physical implants for ease of identification and location of those chipped individuals – while also controlling their minds – by those working under the Anunnaki Remnants who have control of all facets of systems in this world, be they political, cultural, educational, commercial, pharmaceutical, monetary, military or otherwise. Every day when popular programmes are aired on radio, movie screens and especially on television, people are exposed to the risk of being programmed subliminally through the flashes of light, camera angles used, words uttered, musical accompaniment etc. to “think” as the Anunnaki Remnants want them to “think”. However, there is a small minority amongst the population in human bodies, especially those with alien ties, who have stronger WILL than most to resist such programming provided they do not give in to the ruling elite’s threats, bribes etc.

The minds of people are currently being altered. The minority of the population on Earth who are resisting the “controller” are currently under surveillance. This minority group contains those who openly or quietly resist the so-called conventional and popular beliefs. They are not without the assistance of a Force which is fighting the Darkness of the “controller”. Soon, this will become obvious. However, not everyone who is engaged in resisting the “controller” is of the Light.

Audible and inaudible sounds have also been released over the years to weaken human bodies and minds so as to control and poison their bodies, minds and actions. These sounds are also used to regulate various aspects of individual and collective human bodies and societal functions. Ultimately, the aim of the ruling elite is to get rid of the majority of the human race before openly inhabiting and controlling the world that they now secretly control, and they have been doing so for a long time.

Many have considered how vast the conspiracy for a One World Order would have to be, and they have attempted to refute it by stating that certainly someone involved in such a massive project would have broken ranks and disclosed the conspiracy. This would be a valid argument, EXCEPT only the highest echelon participants know of the agenda. However, none of the upper echelon have the entire picture – they are only aware of fragments of the plan. The upper echelon cannot sort out the actual plan because it is built upon lies within lies within lies. Even the highest echelon on Earth are not the ultimate conspirators, they are merely following orders from their “controller” who is not in a physical body. The minions unknowingly follow the plan to its inevitable conclusion because of programming and other factors. Further, those of a Dark essence will naturally gravitate towards compliance with the Anunnaki Remnants’ agenda.

The public has little or no knowledge of what is occurring. Many of those who are resisting the One World Order have discussed at length the physical occurrences on the planet that point to the conspiracy and the New World Order. Some of those have even addressed spiritual aspects of the plan to decimate and enslave the human race, however, most of those people are coming from a perspective of conventional religious backgrounds, and as I have discussed repeatedly, the Anunnaki have set up and facilitated all popular religions on the planet – including the New Age movement. Unfortunately, there are always some good beings who get trapped in these movements. Hence, those who promote a global community are really assisting the “controller’s” plan, whether they are conscious of this or otherwise.

There are some humans who have already been chosen for survival by the ruling elite. These human survivors will be slaves to their masters. Many have been chosen according to bloodlines, professions, ontological essences etc. to accommodate the needs of the Anunnaki Remnants’ agendas.

The “controller” has an “elite guard” of fighters who are called the “Rumblers”. These Rumblers rarely left the “controller’s” side in the past. They were only used in desperate situations. However recently, a few of them have arrived on the planet to try to block the Attas, (The Rescuers of the Light, The Amoebas) who are in combat with the “controller” and all its minions.

Soon, the Rumblers will arrive on Earth in numbers. This will be a time when the battle between the forces of Light and Darkness will be in heightened conflict. The release of the Rumblers shows just how desperate the “controller” is becoming, especially since the “controller” is compromising its own protection by releasing its elite guard onto the planet.

Contrary to popular belief, the Earth is not an important place –it is just one of the final hiding places for the Anunnaki – they have very few places to go to in these final stages of the Correction Process.

The Attas are the targets of the Rumblers. The average person could not withstand assaults by the Rumblers; however, the Rumblers are no match for the Attas. Many of these Attas have arrived as “walk-ins” on Earth in humble positions, in female and male human bodies.

There are many examples of mass mind control tests upon the population of Earth. One such example is the case of Diana Spencer. To the unaware, it appeared that her death had touched their hearts, but this was not the case. They were in fact programmed to respond with an enormous outpouring of emotions, grief and distorted views about the deceased. Most of these people did not even know her, nor did they have any ties to her. Little do the people suspect that emotional energy they spent was being sucked out of them and collected by the “controller” for its own selfish purposes and agendas. Imagine the vastness of the mind-control project necessary to condition so many millions into “spontaneously grieving” for the deceased.

On the other hand, when United States President John Kennedy was assassinated, there was an outpouring of grief and emotion, but some of the grievers were Light beings who sensed that they had lost a dear friend on this Earth. His death was felt by all the Attas parts in one way or another. However, his departure was expected by the Attas, and no attempt was made by the Light to try to prevent it for a very good reason. This was true grieving by many. The emotional mass programming by the ruling elite was only in its infancy at the time.

As another example of mass programming, the “controller” can now summon up millions of protestors to spout whatever slogans are desired to bring about a desired situation. And, yet, on the surface, it appears that the actions of the protestors occurred as an understandable and even reasonable reaction to a particular situation. In reality, the protestors are being programmed and used by the ruling elite to allow them to implement a particular plan.

In the near future, travel will become even more restricted than it is today; internet services could also be restricted. The time may come when internet services will be available only to certain ones using frequencies that will be unavailable to the population at large.

Wars, revolutions, famines, epidemics, recessions, depressions, major catastrophes and casualties, bombings, murders and other meaningless destruction and sometimes even natural disasters are planned by the “controller” for its own agenda.

There was a document released entitled The Report from Iron Mountain which was commissioned by President John Kennedy in August of 1963. Kennedy was overshadowed by an Attas consciousness (he had to play a double-game with many Anunnaki politicians in order to be accepted by them and be elected President of the United States), and while there were some reports about him that are not particularly complimentary, most of these are contrived or exaggerated by the ruling elite, who also sponsored many of the libels. This is much like what was done to Thomas Jefferson, another Attas consciousness. Kennedy was assassinated three months after commissioning the report in which he was about to expose the warmongering mindsets of the people who are in control of the world. The stated purpose of this report was to consider the problems involved in the contingency of a transition to a general condition of peace and to recommend procedures for dealing with this contingency.

This report, which was published three years after Kennedy’s death, reveals the darkest recesses of demonic minds. It is filled with openly revolting revelations from many different political appointees about what is really on the minds of the ruling elite. In short, it is disgusting. Even though the report was leaked, it was never intended for public reading.

Many means of denial were employed to attempt to invalidate this document because the American government understandably wanted to distance itself from the report. Editors of newspapers were recruited and supposed authors came forward to claim they wrote it as a satire. It is hard to imagine that this document was intended as a satire, as it is devoid of humour – express or implied. Likewise, it is difficult to accept that a single author could be responsible for the extremely different styles and energies contained in the paper – not to mention the vast knowledge necessarily required to have written the document, which would not be available to a single person as even the higher echelon of the ruling elite have only fragments of the total plan.

This paper commences with the query of what would happen with a general détente amongst America, China and the Soviet Union, and asks the question: “Is the abolition of war, in the broad sense, really possible?”

In analysing the query, the paper states that stability of society is the common assumed objective of both peace and war.

Amongst other things, the paper dares to argue that were the war-making machines halted, all of the money saved would have to be rapidly consumed or else the people would have too much wealth, and become too cocky and difficult to control. Therefore, it was presented that in order to maintain stability it would be necessary to keep the people poor. The paper presented several wasteful programmes to dissipate any extra wealth that peace would bring to maintain economic control over the population.

Thus, it is learnt from the paper that since war is a system that has worked so effectively for so long it should be maintained. In a stark quote, the reader learns that: “Wars are not ‘caused’ by international conflicts of interest. . . . war-making societies require – and thus bring about – such consuch conflicts.” The report also concluded that: “The basic authority of a modern state over its people resides in its war powers.”

When considering the report one begins to realise that since it is impracticable for everyone to be at real war, there are mini-wars throughout the society. Families are but microcosms of nation states with their miniature struggles for power and control. People within families use varying tactics for seizing power and control, whether it be done via manipulation or oppressive violence. Sports are another substitute for war, where the participants are actually putting less energy into the contests than the followers of the various sports. In a sense, sports are the poor people’s wars, where millions will buy a strong conflict instead of the billions or trillions necessary for all-out-nation-state wars.

And, to show the attitudes of the warmongering minds responsible for the report regarding the prospect of peace, consider this quote from the report: “In a broad social context, ‘an eye for an eye’ still characterizes the only acceptable attitude toward a presumed threat of aggression, despite contrary religious and moral precepts governing personal conduct.”

This repulsive attitude continues today, and in fact has escalated with a huge percentage of the world’s population being programmed to support the “eye for an eye” attitude. The ruling elite is worried that if there were no wars, they could lose power and control over the people. Hence, they believe that there must be a substitute for wars, otherwise, the people might not bow down to their leaders. This shows not only the warped minds of the people who thrive in this exploitative world, it clearly shows that for their own selfish gratification, they want to keep the evil system afloat at all costs.

As a part of the tyrannical plan, the Anunnaki Remnants intend to clone the human mind and insert it into artificial life forms. Worse still, they spread the untruthful propaganda that everyone is a “god” in the making, appealing to the egos and playing upon the ignorance of those receiving this nonsense.

There is even the promotion of biological immortality, supposedly under the guidance of the so-called “Ascended Masters”. These Ascended Masters, by whatever name they usurp, are actually Anunnaki. What is actually happening by spreading such outrageous and dangerous untruths is that the people’s thinking is being altered so greatly that the Anunnaki Remnants hope to capture the spirits of the victims and encapsulate those spirits in a “time capsule”. It is the distorted belief of the “controller” that if it could imprison these spirits and could clone artificial spirits, these would have no will of their own, but would be totally at the mercy of the “controller” and its hierarchy. While this sounds like science fiction, it is indeed the plan.

Many prominent figures in the world, in diverse roles, are not at all what they appear to be. Many have been placed into these positions because they do the bidding of the Anunnaki Remnants, whether they are conscious of this or not. This world has long been controlled by the Anunnaki and its Remnants, who rule by fear, brute force and deception.

Those who dare to go against the system are disadvantaged or removed from power. This can be seen by the assassinations of several of the American presidents. Conversely, the British Prime Ministers do not share the same fate as their American counterparts because their positions were filled by Anunnaki Remnants or their representatives, such as Winston Churchill.

Having said this, it is imperative that we bear in mind the Anunnaki wear many disguises. They can appear to be a passionate proponent for peace, like Mahatma Ghandi, yet they are the very essence of deception of the Anunnaki. Contrarily, Indira Ghandi is a being of Light. Yet, both were assassinated.

Surrounding the American Revolutionary period, there were many Anunnaki Remnants and a few Light beings involved in playing prominent roles. For instance, John Adams, James Madison, John Marshall and Alexander Hamilton were Anunnaki-sponsored participants. On the other hand, Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin are all of Attas consciousness.

Elvis Presley, with his outward appearance of entrapment by glitter, glamour, fame, wealth and other issues, was not really trapped at all. He is an Attas who was here to do a specific job under the cover of a popular singer. His death took place, but not in the way the world believes it did. Like John Kennedy and Abraham Lincoln, Elvis too, was removed by the Dark Force, however, it was the time for each of them to go as they had completed their respective work.

It has recently been admitted by China that they execute at least 10,000 people each year, and it is easy to assume that the real figure is far greater. China has always been an important battleground between Light and Darkness, even though Darkness seems to flourish there because China has always been a stronghold for the Anunnaki Remnants. Since the Reptilian Anunnaki Remnants have shifted their consciousnesses to China the increase in executions in that country is no surprise. Likewise, the increased interest in UFO activities amongst the people of China is to be expected.

These days, there is a lot of talk about weapons of mass destruction. The real danger of weapons of mass destruction comes from the Anunnaki themselves. Many of these weapons were developed because of the work and theories of Anunnaki scientists such as Albert Einstein. These horrible weapons were developed so the Anunnaki in power can use them to threaten, coerce and enslave the people of the world.

This may sound like a very grim picture of the fate of humanity but this time the Attas are here with a whole host of reinforcements. They have come from the future and are amongst us today. As I have stated before, the Anunnaki Remnants are running out of time. Soon, they will be no more. In the meantime, each of us must consciously strengthen our WILL and never give it over to the oppressors.

I hope the energy contained in the following words I wrote a year ago will give strength to those who embrace the Light. At the time of publication, many mistakenly thought that the words dealt with the invasion of Iraq. However, they are more current today than they were a year ago. The words follow:

Other countries are going to join in. Syria will be the first. The birthplace (country) of Jesus will tremble.

Internal rebellion will occur in the number one on the top (Vulturite side) which will eventually fall and will be humiliated and punished.

The road to Damascus will lead to many places.

Bloodshed everywhere will cover the whole earth, streaming far and long.

All heads will turn as they witness the horrific end of mankind.

Humanity in transit will not rest in peace.

The voice of Old will scream out and be heard for miles around.

Those who caused the grim will find no place to hide. They will cringe in fear and be breathless. Their hearts will fly out in fear and numbness. Their days of Old will catch up with them. They will cry but no tears will come, they will scream but none will hear them, they will cry for help and forgiveness but none will be given to them. The gnashing of teeth and the tearing out of their hair will signal the end of the bloodthirsty tribe of Aaron.

“Mountains” will turn over to crush the evil ones. The mountain of giants will advance in numbers never witnessed before and march towards “Golgotha” and together the wind of fate will gather strength and push eastwards, northwards, southwards and even to the west. The land of Zion will cry and then will be no more. Hosanna in the highest all will shout but there will be none to hear or sing the song “Hosanna, Hosanna.”

Here are more words of encouragement for those who find comfort in them. I wrote and published this last July.

The crop of the serpent is about to be cut down.

The meaning of the boulders is about to be known.

The purpose of the quest is about to be realized.

The meeting of the fortunates will soon commence.

Be not fearful of the events.

Be ever on the ready.

The serpent has ruled unjustly and unfairly.

The bell will toll.

The Light will shine.

I will soon gather all that are mine.

Best Wishes,
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:13:39 am
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Iron Mountain Report: allegedly, the government's plan to unify the world under a single agenda under the umbrella of the so-called alien threat.
Wouldn't it be something if the whole alien thing was something totally made up so certain right wing types in order to try and control the world?

That's just about as believable as the whole alien thing...


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:14:46 am
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one must understand synergism, group psychology, and the need to believe - the latter usually instilled by church programming methods (for lack of a better interpretation).
we are intelligent animals, prone to these follies. a snowball gathers ... until it crushes the inhabitants of the valley below.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:15:17 am
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Mr. Mars, you no give one word on Iron Mountain, I no give one word on the Nordics..! Maybe later.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:16:11 am
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Messengers from Heaven
Extraterrestrials, the Church, and the Fate of Humanity
Part II: Angels or Aliens?
From Biblical times, signs in the sky have played a large part in human religion. Are they supernatural or supertechnological? Does it matter?
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It is certainly easy to see why signs in the heavens should be of such peculiar concern to the Roman Catholic Church, or indeed, any religious institution. For the link between divine presences and the skies above is deeply ingrained in human consciousness and language. The very word “heaven,” denoting God’s Kingdom with the vertical connotations of up = good, down = bad, not to mention the importance “signs from above” throughout recorded history argue that this connection is not accidental. It seems to be an intimate archetypal association that is reflected in whatever geocentric cosmologies we humans construct.

When Christ prayed, “Our Father, Who art in Heaven,” it is important to remember that in the Ptolemaic world-view of the time, “Heaven” was not the abstract, ethereal dimension of fluffy clouds and white light we think of now. Rather, God’s realm was a physical place above the outermost shell of stars surrounding the Earth. Just as nowadays, there is a growing temptation to wonder just what planet Jesus was referring to!

Much of this is due to the wholesale recasting of mythological themes by mass sci-fi, most notably by the Star Trek and Star Wars franchises. Such literalization itself reflects the mysterious connection between divinity and the dome of heaven that makes the questions posed by UFOs profoundly religious ones.


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Close encounters of the Biblical kind
The Bible, both Old and New Testaments, is filled with accounts of encounters with divine beings that read uncomfortably to us moderns like tales of extraterrestrial contact out of a bad space opera. Barry H. Downing’s The Bible and Flying Saucers (1968) [1], for instance, contains a long litany of them. He bravely put forth the necessary questions Christianity must now ask when faced with signs from the heavens.

A few of his examples: Abraham and the “smoking firepot and a flaming torch” that appeared in the sky as a sign of acceptance of his sacrifice (Genesis 15:17), the “pillar of cloud” by day and the “pillar of fire” by night that led Moses and the Israelites (Exodus 13:22), God landing on Mount Sinai in smoke, with a sound of a trumpet before them (Exodus 19:18-19), Elijah being “carried up to heaven” in a “chariot of fire” which created a whirlwind (II Kings 2:11), and of course, Ezekiel’s famous psychedelic close encounter (Ezekiel 1:1-28).

The New Testament likewise contains many familiar-sounding sightings. Foremost is the famous “Star of Bethlehem” which Matthew records that the “Wise Men” — probably Zoroastrian astronomer-priests — followed “till it came to rest over the place where the child was” (Matt. 2:9) — most unusual behavior for a supernova, comet, or planetary conjunction! The birth itself had been immediately announced by the appearance of a messenger shining with “the glory of the Lord” to shepherds in the fields at night. (Luke 2:9)

Downing, himself a minister, argues that many of the terms describing such glorious and shining lights could be descriptions of UFOs. Even the shape believed to be the Holy Spirit that was seen to “descend like a dove” at Christ’s baptism and the “bright cloud” at the Transfiguration, (Matt. 17:1-8) might have been extraterrestrial craft. The men in shining clothes, such as those the disciples believed were Moses and Elijah at the Transfiguration, would then have been their occupants.

After the Crucifixion, yet another of these fellows came out of the sky, rolled the stone away from the tomb and announced the Resurrection. And of course, at the end of Jesus mission on Earth, he rose into the air and “a cloud took him out of their sight” while two of those mysterious Men in White consoled the disciples (Acts 1:6-11).

Downing recently has taken issue with Balducci, objecting to the monsignor’s desire to have UFOs treated as natural physical objects that have no impact on the faith. His own approach “does not presume that we can be sure any insulation separates UFOs and the biblical faith. We cannot assume that the ”pillar of cloud and of fire“ that led Moses and Israel during the Exodus was supernatural. Nor can we assume it was not. We cannot assume that modern UFOs are supernatural, nor that they are not. We cannot assume modem UFOs were involved in developing biblical faith, nor can we assume they were not.”

I thoroughly agree with this position. There may be no difference between “the supernatural and the supertechnological.” We must be open to these possibilities, not “insulate” faith from reason, and question everything.

Is the Creator an alien? One could argue that the sacred Torah, the very Law of God given to the Jews, could have been established to provide conditions in which to breed healthy stock. The Levitical restrictions on marriage, the prohibitions on homosexuality, premature withdrawal (“onanism”), as much as the dietary laws, may all have this end of creating and causing a particular bloodline to flourish. Recent studies proving the widespread existence of an “Aaronic” gene among Jewish men would indicate it succeeded.

But why would God want to selectively breed humans as if they were cattle on his cosmic ranch? A Christian might speculate that it was to prepare the proper genetic context for his Son, but that only begs the question. Why would God need a certain genotype to incarnate? Just how close “an image and likeness” of God are we, anyway?

Indeed, the Virgin Birth itself, where Mary was “overshadowed by the power of God,” (Luke 1:35) has uncomfortable echoes of tales of the alien-breeding program. Such parallels go on and on and what is worse, the closer the tale is to the central mysteries of faith, the more extraterrestrial the encounter can appear.


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The saint and the silver disc
In any case, not all such UFO-like visions came from God. Some were sent of the Devil. One such early example was a sighting by St. Antony of the Desert (died 356), the first Christian monk. He was famed for his “temptations;” that is, being frequently and violently assaulted by grotesque devils of all varieties. He became a much sought-after expert on demonic wiles and appearances. In the fourth chapter of his hagiography there is this remarkable incident:

… but Antony at once set out for the mountain. Yet once more the enemy [the devil], seeing his zeal and wishing to check it, threw in his way a large disc of silver. Antony, understanding the deceit of the Evil One, stood and looked at the disc and confuted the demon in it, saying, “Whence a disc in the desert? This is not a trodden road, and there is no track of any faring this way. And it could not have fallen unnoticed, being of huge size. And even if it had been lost, the loser would certainly have found it had he turned back to look, because the place is a desert. This is a trick of the devil. You will not hinder my purpose by this, Satan; let this thing perish with thee.” And as Antony said this, it disappeared like smoke before the face of a fire.[2]

It is a rather amusing image, this fearless hermit, probably half-crazed by the sun, boldly berating a flying saucer, but it illustrates that the Church long thought high-strangeness apparitions were caused by devils if they resulted in negative experiences.

Throughout the Middle Ages this principle held. There were certain interesting elements of the witchcraft craze of the early modern era that resemble modern UFO and abductee reports. The Men in Black, for instance, believed by all to be Satan’s minions (or perhaps even Old Nick himself), were particularly active.

Strangely reminiscent of the alien hybrid-breeding program was the idea, as reported by the Inquisitor Guazzo in the sixteenth century, of succubae and incubi. These were evil spirits who could appear to men as beautiful women, procure their sperm, and transport the seed across great distances to women, whom they would manifest in the guise of handsome men to implant their demon spawn, which they had somehow infused with their own diabolical traits. This could still serve as a perfect explanation, perhaps, for the Grey’s sexual agenda, according to the demonic theory of UFOs.


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Our Lady of the Whirling Disc
If, on the other hand, the encounter was of a sublime and positive nature, it is inevitably ascribed to a divine contact. The most famous of these happened less than a century ago whose repercussions continue to this day. It was a series of incidents that has been carefully examined by both theologians and ufologists alike, and pronounced by learned authorities in each camp to be legitimate events within their own field. I refer, of course, to the visions at Fatima.

Our Lady of Fatima [3], to which Pope John Paul II attributes his survival of the assassination attempt by Mehmet Ali Agca, appeared to three young shepherds, Lucy, Francis, and Jacinta, in rural Portugal beginning on May 13, 1917. In due course, the Roman Catholic hierarchy authenticated these apparitions as being of the Mother of God, and the site has become a world-famous place of pilgrimage, complete with miraculous healings.

A sudden white flash in the heavens announced her first appearance. The entity appeared to the children as a veiled young woman in a golden-edged white gown, decorated with golden stars on the breast and hem. She appeared standing amid one of those glowing clouds over a small bush.

More visions followed on a monthly basis and others soon became interested, including suspicious and hostile secular authorities. No one other than the children ever clearly saw the Lady. However, during later apparitions, the sun dimmed noticeably, the branches of the tree bent as if supporting a weight, and a humming sound was heard. “A loud report like the explosion of a rocket was heard at the end of the apparition, and at the same time a beautiful white cloud was seen to rise from the tree and move towards the east.” (Emphasis added.)

The children were given other visions on these occasions and others, all thoroughly Catholic — the Sacred Heart, the baby Jesus. They were shown even hell itself and in July, the Lady predicted the end of the First World War and the beginning of the Second — the first two of the famous “secrets of Fatima.” The next war would be heralded by “a night illumined by an unknown light” which Lucy later thought referred to an extraordinary transcontinental display of the aurora borealis on the night of January 25-26, 1938.

Interestingly enough, a few months before the October Revolution brought the Bolsheviks to power, the Lady promised that if her requests for prayer and sacrifice were heard “Russia would be converted and there would be peace.”

The police locked the children up to prevent them from attending in August at the time set by the Virgin. She appeared to them at another place the next week when they were again alone with their flock but was apparently not happy about it.

Here is the account of the next encounter according to the great French UFO expert, Jacques Vallee:

The fifth meeting was September 13. There were a number of witnesses, and they could see the “sphere of fire” used by the entity to come to the place of the meeting. According to the very words of the Reverand [sic] General Vicar of Leiria, who was one of the witnesses the lady came in an “aeroplane of light,” an “immense globe, flying westwards, at moderate speed. It irradiated a very bright light.” Some other witnesses saw a white being coming out of the globe, which several minutes later took off, disappearing in the direction of the sun. [4]

Some said a shower of strange flakes, like snow or rose petals, which vanished before they reached the ground or could be caught, followed this. But the best was still yet to come.

The Lady had promised a grand miracle in October and she certainly delivered a spectacular show. Indeed, at the final encounter exactly one month later, a crowd of some 70,000 people, including both clergy and scientists, witnessed the famous “miracle of the sun.”

One of the latter, a Prof. Almeida Garrett of Coimbra University, later wrote:

It was raining hard, and the rain trickled down everyone’s clothes. Suddenly, the sun shone through the dense cloud which covered it: everybody looked in its direction. It looked like a disc, of a very definite contour. It was not dazzling. I don’t think that it could be compared to a dull silver disc, as someone said later in Fatima. No. It rather possessed a clear, changing, brightness, which one could compare to a pearl. This is not poetry. My eyes have seen it. This clear-shaped disc suddenly began turning. It rotated with increasing speed. Suddenly, the crowd began crying with anguish. The sun, revolving all the time, began falling towards the earth, reddish and bloody, threatening to crush everybody under its fiery weight. (Emphasis by Vallee.) [5]

The disk, described as spinning and shooting off colors “like a Catherine’s wheel” firework, plunged at the Earth three times according to some witnesses before retreating back behind the clouds. Newspaper photos of the crowd showed the mass of people cringing in fear and astonishment from something seemingly sunwards above them. The spectacle, seen by some miles away, completely validated the children’s claims. The Virgin’s wishes for specific prayers and devotions to her that she expressed to them were widely broadcast — and obeyed.

Lucy, the sole one of the trio to survive into adulthood (still alive at 93 at the time of this writing), became a cloistered nun and received many private revelations. During World War II, she wrote down the three secret messages from the Virgin and sent them to her local bishop, who passed them on to the pope to be revealed in 1960.

The mysterious Third Secret of Fatima, however, supposedly contained such awful revelations it was suppressed, making the popes who read it turn white. It has become the subject of much fierce speculation by the devout. During his pilgrimage in May 2000, Pope John Paul II promised to released it, and apparently has, although the Vatican was not slow to put its own spin on it.

The Lady, identifying herself as “Our Lady of the Rosary,” asked believers to pray for the conversion of Russia. A countless legion of little old ladies diligently took up their beads, even calling themselves the “Blue Army of Mary.” After several apparently unsuccessful attempts, the pope, (by this time John Paul II), finally completed the powerful magical act of consecrating Russia to the Sacred Heart of Mary in 1984, several reigns later than asked, and in due course Soviet Communism fell.

Whether co-incidence or not, the whole question of the Lady’s instructions and prophecies in this context is peculiar. If these were purely spiritual events, why did they look and sound so much like UFOs? If the entity were a masquerading alien trying to communicate to some primitives in the guise of a god, why would it be so concerned about prayer, self-sacrifice and Russia’s religion? Could that just be a cover for some other agenda?

Or was it truly providential? Could all those prayers for Russia have somehow prevented planetary nuclear immolation? Was it foreseen? Looking back on the Cold War and how close East and West came to mutually assured destruction at times, one can only wonder if the events at Fatima were carefully arranged to miraculously avert it.

(In all fairness, it should also be noted that the brutal Spanish conquistadors came as Catholics and fought under the Virgin’s banner. A decade after their triumph over the Aztecs, putting an end to their gory civilization based on human sacrifice and ritual cannibalism, she made a dramatic appearance to Juan Diego, an Indian (and recently, a saint), as the Virgin of Guadalupe. Her veneration quickly supplanted the now-discredited native religion and became the most widely-popular devotion in the New World. Mary, it seems, may have a more complicated agenda than just world peace.)

In any case, once again the combination of spirituality with what could be highly advanced technology at Fatima is baffling. As Sir Arthur Clarke is widely reported to have said, “Technology sufficiently developed is indistinguishable from magic.” Maybe he should have said religion.

Part of the problem, it seems, is that there cannot be a real distinction between ufology and theology, spirituality and technology, any more here at the dawn of the third millennium after Christ. Perhaps there never truly was, other than the arbitrary rift between faith and reason that was created by the Church to maintain her monopoly on a superior form of “truth” beyond mere scientific fact.

Unfortunately for us, the aliens seem to have no respect for this human pigeonholing of reality. The incomprehensible facts of divine and/or extraterrestrial visitation exceed our spirituality as much as they do our technology.

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Notes
[1] Downing, Barry H., The Bible and Flying Saucers, Avon Books, New York, 1968. Back

[2] Athanasius, St. Antony of the Desert, trans. by J. B. McLaughlin, TAN Books and Publishers, Rockford, Ill., 1995, p. 16. Back

[3] Otherwise unattributed quotes in this section are from Our Lady of Fatima: Queen of the Most Holy Rosary, published by the Benedictine Convent of Perpetual Adoration, Clyde, Missouri, 1950. Back

[4] Vallee, Jacques, UFO’s in Space: Anatomy of a Phenomenon, Ballantine Books, New York, 1965, p. 205. Back

[5] Ibid., p.207. Back
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:17:12 am
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Messengers from Heaven
Extraterrestrials, the Church, and the Fate of Humanity
Part I: Extraterrestrial Demonology
The admission by the Vatican that extraterrestrials exist has profound implications for all Earthlings.
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Until recently, the accumulated wisdom of the Roman Catholic Church held that only supernatural entities such as God, Jesus and Mary, angels or demons produced signs in the heavens. However, in the last several years, a new view has been quietly put forth, one that could foreshadow as revolutionary a change as that initiated by Copernicus.


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The Inquisitor and the aliens
Monsignor Corrado Balducci, a recently-retired theologian who specialized in demonology and exorcism for the Vatican, has appeared on Italian TV several times declaring that contact with extraterrestrials is real. He has stated these entities “are NOT demonic, they are NOT due to psychological impairment, they are NOT a case of entity attachment, but these encounters deserve to be studied carefully.” (Emphasis in original.)

“Their existence can no longer be denied, for there is too much evidence for the existence of extra-terrestrials and flying saucers.” UFOs indicate that they might be more evolved than humanity, but would not challenge the core of Christianity, for Christ is still king of the universe. “This means that everything in the universe, including extra-terrestrials and UFOs are reconcilable with God.”

Since then, he has tried to calm the furor and spike the rumors floating around the Internet. According to one source, he claims there is no “secret Vatican commission on ET contact” studying the problem (though another says he privately admits to a pontifical MJ12), and that Holy See’s embassies and nuncios do not collect information on contacts. He has said he is not studying the subject, nor that he spoke for the Vatican. His more recent statements emphasize a lot of “ifs” like “IF THEY EXIST and IF WE EVER MAKE CONTACT with them, they MIGHT well be beings superior to us as of spirituality. IF THAT IS TRUE, a contact might even be desirable for us.” (Emphasis in original)

Yet even so, he has cordially met with noted researcher Michael Hesemann, author/abductee Whitley Strieber, who has included an interview with him in his new book, Confirmation, and even Zecharia Sitchin, a scholar who believes humanity was created by an alien race, thought by the Sumerians to be gods, as their slaves.

It is gratifying that four centuries after burning Giordano Bruno for impudently suggesting that the stars around us were solar systems peopled with living worlds, the Roman Church has finally seen fit to admit the possibility, at least tacitly. Still the question must be raised: Why? Does the Catholic Church possess new information, or is this positioning just in case there ever is a landing? And why is it being discussed now, by a demonologist who, according to one report, worked for the Congregation for the Propagation of the Doctrine of the Faith, which used to be called the Holy Office of the Inquisition?


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A cosmic crapshoot
If an advanced race does land on Earth, they could easily be taken as divine messengers. After all, if they are older and unimaginably technologically more sophisticated than we are, then perhaps they are more spiritually advanced as well (whatever that means). They might even claim to be so, with or without any justification. Combined with magical-seeming powers, their “revelations” and starry wisdom would doubtless be eagerly devoured by uncritical Earthlings, who will have no way of knowing what the visitors say is objectively true or just a yarn to con us gullible natives. Judging by our own sad history of contact between different cultures by frauds, fanatics, conquistadors and missionaries, the outlook for any human religion is grim indeed.

Even if the aliens’ message is all sweetness and light, it will inevitably be colored by their otherworldly perceptions and psychology, intentions and agendas. But any alien belief is especially dangerous for any faith such as the Roman Catholic Church that proudly claims to the sole custodian and arbiter of revealed truth. For even if the aliens’ intentions are totally benign, even if they do not directly contradict the teachings of Christianity, the new knowledge will probably have devastating and unpredictable effects. What will become of the authority of the priests if a new authority comes along with a superior brand of truth?

It’s happened to the Church before. As world religions go, Christianity in general has had a less than glorious track record overall in accepting new ideas. Fundamentalists, with their bedrock belief in the inerrancy of the Bible and the absolute historicity of the Old Testament, in particular have problems with this. The antiquated scholastic theology that the Roman Catholic Church still stubbornly clings to has likewise never really recovered from the pummeling it received from Darwin and Copernicus either.

This has caused a spit between faith and reason, a profound kind of schizophrenia in the Western spirit that leaves both soul and intellect unfulfilled. Worse, this disconnection now threatens the very viability of our civilization. Yet, it is precisely those questions of human origins and our place in the cosmos where extraterrestrial contact may radically challenge our most closely held beliefs.

Many Christians, especially fundamentalists, regard UFOs and aliens as demons in disguise, out to deceive the children of God in these last days. Websites such as Watcher Website offer ominous warnings against the visitors from the sky. They vigorously reject any truck with aliens, and there is much to be said for their interpretation. But its inclusiveness, reassuring to those with a traditional outlook, the opposite of the New Age wide-open welcome of all from beyond is also dangerous. For as we shall see, good things can come from the sky as well.

We must practice discernment above all. In this context, it is even more interesting that a Catholic theologian says they are not demons. Balducci is a professional demonologist, backed by all the expertise dealing with occult phenomena developed by pastors, theologians and exorcists. He uses their technical terminology in discussing his conclusions. But if UFOs are not evil spirits, manifestations of insanity, or “entity attachments,” what are they? Angels?

As disembodied spiritual beings, could not angels be safely ruled out, seeing that some of these damned things leave physical traces? Also, angels are supposedly much more concerned about humanity’s welfare than most of the UFOnauts that encounter people seem to be. In the New Testament, for instance, the first words angels always seem to say is “Fear not.” There are certain contactee cases with very human-looking beings where this also has happened, but whether the physically active angels in the Bible were aliens will be discussed in the next section.

But if they’re not demons or angels, and since Catholicism leaves little theoretical room for “neutral” spirits, perhaps what Balducci is getting at is that these entities are physical beings, with bodies of some kind. His other statements about other “children of God” in the cosmos definitely imply that.

It is a cosmic **** for anybody, especially the Church, to make dogmatic pronouncements about visitors from outer space at this time. Maybe the monsignor is simply covering Rome’s bets. But his statements represent both an opportunity and a danger. The stakes are incalculably high. At risk is nothing less than the future of the human soul. If the Church guesses wrong about these visitors from beyond, it could not only lose all credibility but could even imperil the survival of the human race.

After all, great civilizations have been destroyed on just such an issue. The fall of the Aztec Empire in the early sixteenth century is a perfect example.

The god-king Montezuma believed his priestly experts’ interpretations of prophecy and signs seen in the heavens, and was amazed by the unmatchable technology of steel, guns, and horses wielded by his visitors. Imagine how history would be different if he knew from the start that Cortez was not the divine Quetzalcoatl returned to his people, but just a foreign marauder intent on despoiling his realm. Yet, despite his own misgivings, Montezuma reluctantly welcomed the conquistadors as divine messengers. It was a fatal mistake for him and his empire and all Mexico. Almost the identical scenario was played out in the Incan capital in South America by other conquistadors a few decades later, dooming Andean civilizations as well.

Whether this mistake could happen to us depends on the strange connections between spirituality and the sky that lurk in the soul’s most profound depths. Upon that mystery, most human religions seem to have been founded — including Judaism and Christianity. For Christians, the burning question posed at this juncture is not just whether Yahweh is an extraterrestrial, but is his Son? Is Jesus an ET? And if so what does it mean?
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:17:50 am
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Jennie, I came across this article in my researches that I thought might be of use to you. At first, I couldn't decide whether to put it in your topic or mine, so I'll be printing the first half in yours, second half in mine. It has a sexual bent to it, but also involves your Nordic aliens. Apologies for the length. Hope all is well.

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UFO Abductions Through The Ages
archived 11-01-99
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UFO Abductions Through The Ages
part 1 of 2
by Dr. Gregory L. Little - 1994

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The abduction stories form a continuum with old legends and beliefs ...They do contain a message ...given to us by the hidden parts of our being.
-- John Rimmer - (The Evidence for Alien Abductions - 1984)

Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary, Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore - While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping, As of someone gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
-- Edgar Allan Poe - (The Raven)

"We stepped into the fringe of reality," Karla Turner replied to a questioner -- after relating her incredible story to an immense group at the 1992 Ozark UFO Conference. "Our book comes from my journal that I kept (about these events)."

Karla [now deceased; a victim of the insidious cancer many "abductees" mysteriously succumb to -B:.B:.], who holds a Ph.D. in English, hypnotized her husband Casey in the mid-1980s to attempt to find the source of Casey's anxiety and tension. Casey, a computer software consultant, had been seeing a therapist at the time and was suffering with a variety of nervous problems. What they found in the hypnosis was not what they expected.

Casey had numerous memories of alien contact -- sexual contact. One of his earliest memories was a white-haired, old woman appearing in his bedroom when he was 13 years old. She had a deeply wrinkled face and deep, piercing eyes. Unable to resist, he had sexual intercourse with her. Casey also recalled other times that creatures entered his bedroom and forced him to have sex. One such experience left him with claw marks on his back, while another incident in 1987 resulted in a painful scar on the back of his leg.

Interaction with the abductors wasn't limited to Casey. Karla told of walking into her home at night when a being grabbed hold of her arm. The creature told her it was her mother, but Karla stated that it looked like a giant grasshopper. Another time, Karla was coming home through her back yard when she felt like she "had hit an electric fence. I wasn't feeling right... wasn't moving right ...there was a glow everywhere ...I stopped... and saw four gray beings standing side by side in my backyard."

"I assumed I was having a hallucination (but) I'm awake -- why? I felt I could see through them and they talked to me telepathically."

"Greetings, we are your ancestors," they said. "We are a part of you, but we are real."

"I couldn't move as I normally do," Karla continued. "Then two females behind me came up close -- they started buzzing."

"They are giving you some instructions," they told me.

Karla and Casey have become involved with a variety of MUFON investigators since the uncovering of their memories as well as conducting a variety of their own investigations. They have somewhat specialized in sexual abductions and been influenced by the popular books Intruders, Missing Time, and others. Karla told a story about a grandmother with her young grandson. The grandmother had been a widow for several years when she was forced to drink a liquid handed to her by an alien who appeared in her bedroom late one night.

After she drank the thick fluid, she became young again. A reptilian-like alien then attempted to have intercourse with her but she resisted. Then the alien brought in her dead husband who began making sexual advances to her. The grandmother had intercourse with the creature that appeared as her husband, but eventually saw that it was a reptilian. After finishing with the grandmother, the reptilians had anal and oral intercourse with her young grandson.

At the 1992 Ozark UFO Convention, cattle mutilation expert Linda Moulton Howe also focused on sexual abduction stories. She told a story about one man who had become so plagued by a particular female alien coming to him each night that he repeatedly masturbated before sleeping so that he would have trouble getting an **** when the aliens appeared. This so disturbed the female alien and her mantis-like "keepers" that they made an agreement with the man. Howe stated that the aliens are probably collecting genetic material from cattle and humans.

In discussing how the beings appear, Howe said that "the air itself is like a curtain they can go behind." They come out of "tears in the air."

The "modern" aliens associated with sexual abductions now appear to fall into three broad categories. The traditional grays are nearly always present. Male grays seldom engage in intercourse, but some female grays do. The grays often connect bizarre devices to the sex organs of abductees and insert needles in an apparent attempt to collect sperm and ovum samples. Then there are the more sinister creatures described as reptilian, grasshopper-like, or mantis-like. These creatures, whose sexual organs are described as ice cold, often have intercourse with humans. Finally, there are creatures that, except for their dress, would be indistinguishable from humans. They are sometimes described as Nordic in appearance -- tall blondes with blue eyes. These abductors have, at times, had intercourse with abductees. All of the appearances taken on by abductors appear to be fluid and plastic; that is, they can easily change their shape to whatever they wish.

Aileen Garoutte, director of the abductee support organization UFOCCI, has interviewed and used regression hypnosis on numerous abductees who have claimed sexual contact with the aliens. One couple was abducted during a drive between Princeton and Penticton in British Columbia, Canada. Two hours of missing time occurred during their trip that was later "remembered" as a "classic" abduction. Both were given a special drink, medical exams, and had sexual encounters with the aliens. The woman became pregnant as a result of the abduction though she had been using two different types of birth control. After their abduction she had spots on her body over her ovaries and her husband had a ring of spots across his groin. Literally dozens of similar stories have been uncovered by UFOCCI.

Sexual Abduction Experiences Aren't New

Space Alien Sex Maniacs in Training

Baby Space Aliens hone their Tantric Skills from young infancy by isolating a nubile young earth woman and looking up her dress. As teenagers they perform house-calls in order to take turns nailing their brainwashed and subservient squeeze. "Earth women are easy," they remark.

Given the current intense interest in alien sexual encounters, many people seem to feel that such reports are relatively recent. They aren't. Sexual encounters with alien abductors are not new to ufology. On October 15, 1957, 23-year old farmer Antonio Boas was plowing a field at his farm near Minas Gerais in Brazil. It was night as Boas was trying to catch up on the plowing. Looking up into the sky, Boas saw a brightly lit red object descending from the sky. It was his third UFO sighting that week. This time, however, the object landed in his field. Out of the egg-shaped object came four aliens fitted in metallic space suits with helmets.

As the creatures glided toward him, Boas tried to escape on the tractor, but it stalled. Boas jumped off and started running. A few moments later he was captured and dragged into the spaceship. There he was taken into a circular room where he was restrained while one of the creatures took a blood and skin sample from his chin. Then he was stripped and moved to another room where only a white, plastic couch sat in the center of the room. His body was sponged with a clear, oily liquid and then the four creatures left.

A few moments later clouds of gray smoke filled the room causing Boas to vomit. Then a hidden slit opened in the wall through which a beautiful, naked, alien woman walked. She had blond- white hair parted in the middle, large blue eyes, thin lips, high, prominent cheekbones, and a pointed chin. She was under five feet tall. Boas clearly remembered her blood-red pubic hair and her well-separated, pointy breasts.

The female began rubbing her body against Boas and he quickly embraced her. According to Boas they had intercourse two times during which the alien barked and growled like an animal. After the second time she got off the couch and walked to the hidden door. She pointed to her stomach and then to the sky. Then she walked out.

Moments later two of the space suited aliens returned with his clothes. He dressed and was given a tour of the ship after which he was released.

In the month that followed his encounter, Boas became ill with symptoms similar to radiation sickness. In addition, small purplish wounds developed on his hands.

In his book The Ufonauts, Hans Holzer related the May 2,1968 abduction of teenager Shane Kurz. Under regression hypnosis Ms. Kurz told of being abducted while walking through a field and being levitated into a saucer. Inside the saucer several gray aliens placed her on a table, stripped her, and rubbed a thick liquid on her. She was told that the liquid was a stimulant and that she was being tested for pregnancy with a device that was lowered on her. Then the leader told her that they wanted to make a "half" with her. One of the beings quickly sexually penetrated her. He made animal sounds and a humming noise during the act. Kurz was then released. Shortly after this incident (which she did not remember at the time) her menstrual period stopped for a year. She had a sudden, unexplained weight loss exactly 9 months after her abduction. It was the weight loss that led her to a doctor and eventually uncover the memory of the abduction.

Budd Hopkins' Intruders (1987) and Missing Time (1981) are filled with distinctively sexual abductions. And if you don't look at the long-term perspective of the phenomenon, it is easy to be misled into thinking the sexual abductions are a recent happening:

"Intruders makes what appears to be happening in UFO abductions more clear. Genetic experimentation is being conducted on unwilling human subjects by an extraterrestrial civilization far different from our own....Through the process of interbreeding, the technology involved in producing test tube babies, and cloning, they are producing a hybrid race." (Little, 1990)

But appearances can be deceiving

Abductions Through The Ages

Mothman-like Appearances and Witches

A renaissance woodcut depicting a woman beating off the advances of a demon (left) and an interesting illustration (right) from Glanvill's Saducismus Triumphatus (1863). UFO-like abductions and alien sexual encounters are nothing new. Witches supposedly were taken into the air for meetings with the devil. People who had been abducted by fairies were left with distinctive body scars similar to those in UFO abductees. And the incubus and succubus of medieval times did the exact same things to their abductees as today's sexually-inclined aliens do to their abductees.

According to fairy lore, fairies create a circular cluster of small bruises as their mark. The phenomenon is known as "fairy bruising" and is a sign of either favor or disfavor. The ring of bruises is often found around the genitals. They did this, according to various 17th century accounts, by pinching their victims:

If lustie Doll, maide of the Dairie, Chance to be blew-nipt by the fairie. Marston's Mountebanks Masque

An Encyclopedia of Fairies (Briggs, 1976) gives numerous ancient examples of fairy abductions. Almost always a special drink was given to the abductee. This drink, usually described as a thick liquid, was an essential part of the fairy abduction. Women are abducted much more often than men and some fairies take special delight, in repeatedly capturing women for amorous motives. In short, some fairies simply liked having sexual relations with mortals.

Fairies abduct their victims through paralysis; then they simply carry (levitate and fly) the abductee away into "fairyland." Fairyland is always nearby; under normal conditions we can't see or perceive it. The paralysis induced on the victim is how fairies get their abductee to enter fairyland. The modem word "stroke" (meaning paralysis) is derived from the ancient terms "elf-stroke" and "fairy-stroke." Fairies travel in circular globes of light, sometimes called "will-o-the-wisp."

There are so many different types of fairies that going through them would be tedious. Some of them, however, are virtually indistinguishable from what have been described as demons. One particular type, the "bogie," looks a lot like the traditional bigfoot. Virtually every society has some lore of these "little people" and myths of them forcing their sexual attentions on human victims.

Fairy lore has a tradition of thousands of years. Fairies have been said to be abducting humans, human babies, flying in lighted globes, striking paralysis and amnesia on their victims, forcing strange drink on their victims, and having sexual relations with humans for all time. If we could remove the mythological aspect from fairy abductions and dress them a little differently, the folklore reports of a thousand years ago would be virtually indistinguishable from present UFO abduction reports. The same thing could be said for the reports of demons.

An Relatively Holy Correspondence Table: Old vs. New

On the left are artist renderings of the creatures associated with the famous 1955 Kelley-Hopkinsville, Kentucky UFO goblin case (reprinted from People of the Web). The two figures on the right are from Collin de Plancy's Dictionnaire infernal (1863). The figure on the left is Ronwe, a demon with language knowledge. The figure on the right is Urobach, a demon from the lower order.

As my eyes fell on the demon drawings in Plancy's Dictionaire infernal (1863), I was struck by their similarity to the famous 1955 Kelly-Hopkinsville UFO case. Imagine the demons as gray in color, and they would also fit the description of the ubiquitous grays in recent abductions.

There are many in the UFO field (as well as various religious leaders) who believe that the creatures associated with UFOs are demons. The similarity of some demons to the grays of UFO reports are probably no coincidence.

"UFO" Abductee?

One of the first known illustrations of a demon appearing in physical form to "make love" to a witch. Note the feet and hands of the demon. It was said that the demons could assume any shape to make themselves more pleasing to their victims. From Ulrich Molitor's De Laniis et phitonicis mulieribus (1489). Note that the book contains numerous illustrations of demons taking different shapes and forms for sexual purposes.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:19:11 am
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Gee, Veronica, thanks for putting that great alien porno story on my nice clean alien thread!
Here is more information on the Nordics, scouring the Internet to bring y'all the best I can find. Live long and prosper.
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NORDICS
(a.k.a. MUFON Type 2 aliens, Blondes, Pleiadeans, Sirians, Venusians)

APPEARANCE: Nordics are described as tall and athletic, with blonde or red hair. Almost 90% of Nordics encountered have been male. In most cases, Nordics are described as having intense presences or odd mannerisms which betray their origins.

MOTIVES: The salvation of humanity and of planet Earth, whether from the Grays, nuclear war, environmental disaster, or overpopulation.

ABILITIES: The Nordics are alleged to be telepathic. There are reports of Nordics sensing the approach of contactees telepathically, influencing emotional states via thought projection, transmitting thoughts directly to contactees, and inducing paralysis through eye contact when threatened. The Nordics are also allegedly capable of either invisibility or teleportation, according to many accounts in which they vanish into thin air.

CALLING CARDS: Nordics are often reported to be associated with odd weather disturbances, especially patches of fog or mist and drafts of cold air. Most contactees report a warm feeling of calm and inner peace when in a Nordic's presence.

BEHAVIOR: Unlike most other ETs, Nordics are reported as being benevolent, and eager to engage contactees in conversation. A typical Nordic will begin by saying that he is there to help, and will then give a description of his home. Whether he comes from Venus, Sirius, the Pleiades, or Tsath, the descriptions are basically the same: the Nordic homeworld is allegedly a place of peace and harmony, where the people have at last rid themselves of all the ills of life through high technology and higher consciousness. Most claim to be immortal. The Nordic then affirms that he (and others of his kind) have come to help lead mankind back from the edge of the abyss and into a new golden age. Many Nordics are also often described as warning contactees about secret pacts between the U.S. government and the Grays, and warn them to avoid the men in black.

CONCLUSIONS: Reports of Encounters with alleged Nordics are as old as the UFO phenomenon itself. However, few cases involving Nordics stand up to hard investigation, and most are entirely unsubstantiated. Nordics leave little evidence of their passing, and often aren't even associated with a spacecraft of UFO. Alleged encounters with Nordics also bear striking resemblances to encounters with angelic figures in the Bible or Koran, as well as Celtic legends of Sidhe or Fey folk. Perhaps the Nordics are a modern reworking of these myths incorporating our contemporary conceptions of space and alien life. Another possibility: might the Nordics be part of a disinformation campaign designed to distract and discredit UFO investigators? The telepathic influence of the Nordics could also be the product of hypnosis, drugs, or other technological tricks. Are the Nordics part of the cover up, perhaps the Men in White?



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Ummite Physics and Metaphysics.
"The Essential Texts"
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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QUOTE :"Here is more information on the Nordics, scouring the Internet to bring y'all the best I can find. Live long and prosper. http://www.delta-green.com/opint/reports/rf_3047a.html TE : "
if thats ` the best you can find ` i reccomend giving up now ,

www.delta-green.com is FICTION - its the support website for a game


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:20:52 am
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Well, just spent time looking thru a link on page 1 of this thread about red haired giants ... ancient remains in North America.
And it brought to mind two stories.

First one: Once I met this guy in Wal-Mart parking lot recently and we chatted cuz his pick up truck's rear door panel had this beautifully painted eagle in flight. Turns out he was a genuine "local", having grown up in this area of east coastal Florida in the Depression era of the 1920's and 1930's. (a period in Florida's history that was way before the massive explosion of condo's, high rises, shopping centers and tourist traps) We were talking on and on then he relates how when he was a kid, him and his buddies would wander the vacant landscape, tearing down the mounds of dirt cuz they knew there were "stuff" to play with burried inside like giant bones - he specifically says they were huge compared to like his dad in size. He says they could do this destruction because no one cared. Decades later, all the lands here have been plowed over, either for cattle grazing, orange groves or suburbia.

Second story: women of documented historical antiquity would dye their hair red or blond as a status symbol. A woman's hair color was her rank, the highest rank being the red's and blond's. Some societies conversly would kill red or blond haired children.

An as an aside, toddlers and preschoolers today who have pure red and/or pure blond hair are more frequently ill with colds, more prone to digestive problems, allergies, appear to have difficulty in peer relations (hot headed or aggressive), and generally are less well adjusted socially to conforming to the "rules" than their classmates of brown and black hair. Reds and blonds are more spontaneous, generally are more boisterous, and laugh and cry more, too. Perhaps these traits that have come down from antiquity through these toddler's and preschoolers ancestors' DNA were the reasons why they were once the tribes "leaders of the Pack."

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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noble women of the new world who married conquistadores were white skinned, blondes and redhair. indians told about wars against blond giants living in high walled cities.
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PDF] Heyerdahl’s Kon Tiki Theory and the Denial of the Indigenous ...
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... Felipe de Ayala depicted Inca nobles with long, light-coloured hair and light skin,
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:21:57 am
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Via Mars & Ignorant Ape,
Gee, thanks, guys, for your typically vapid, mean-spirited and utterly useless contributions! Via, you are getting crabbier and crabbier in your old age, might I suggest a vacation?

Sangmele and Rockgate,

You are looking at the fair-haired ones as the Nordic types who settled in Scandinavia, I assume.

My idea is that the Nordic Aliens actually DO exist and have something to do with Atlantis as well. My belief goes something like this: if we accept that aliens visited this world in the ancient past, and we also believe in the lost world of Atlantis (be it continent, city, empire, island, or whatever), might we also believe that Atlantis had some kind of contact or dispute with them as well?

And by the way, this thread is NOT kidding. I do believe in alien visitations, and think that only a FOOL would believe we're alone in the universe.

(Course, maybe there are some fools out there. I do seem to be finding out more about some of my new pals here at Atlantis Rising here all the time)


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:22:16 am
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i know a secret military base and, you know what? i don't believe in aliens.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Secrete military bases? a big YES
Aliens? a BIGGER yes, but I have "proof" of neither.

It is mathematically logical and probable that in our celestial universe, with galaxies that we can physically see, that some star group contains planets with intelligent life. Exactly where they are scientifically and spiritually in reference to us Earth beings is ONLY pure speculation.

Alot of the hype over alien visitations comes from centuries and centuries of (christian) religious dogma pertaining along the lines to god is everywhere, god knows all our thoughts and actions and remembers them, that if angles exist therefore the opposite devils must also exist, and obey god unless we want to end up in hell with the devils. Spirit beings, yes, but angles or devils, no.

Sorry, this is not in my reality of rationalization about my existance, of my being alive NOW.

I do not attribute anything "religious" in discussions about extraterrestials. Yes, I grew up with Star Trek and Star Wars, but, do not equate these show's producers with spreading the only possible reality about beings from other star systems.

As the earth rotates through our solar system, and this solar system rotates thru our milky way galaxy, the entire milky way galaxy also rotates thru the vast emptimess of space. All this dizzying rotation occurrs in perspective of an observer on this earth. Assuming the Laws of Physics apply to every other planetary system in the universe, these other planets that are inhabited by beings falls under the same rules of existance, basically that one and one equals two.

On the ole sliding scale of one to ten, who's to say that they are ten and we are one? Any intelligent two-legged on our earth knows that "life" continues only with the meeting of the ultimate basics: food, shelter, clothing. Then the debate surrounds only the fourth basic: spirituality. Its this last basic need that causes the most confusion, the one that causes wars, anguish, domination of others, and lessens the dignity of each individuals existence by others forcing their views upon them.

So, for those who promote greys and nordics as alien types, ok. I have not seen any but don't dispute their existance. Just dont force me to accept anything you present as fact. Don't tell me I'm going to hell for my beliefs, nor send the lynch party over for the hanging because I don't believe like you.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:23:47 am
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QUOTE :" Gee, thanks, guys, for your typically vapid, mean-spirited and utterly useless contributions! Via, you are getting crabbier and crabbier in your old age, might I suggest a vacation? "
TRANSLATION " I was unable to tell the difference between a factual or fiction web site , so i will blame those who pointed out my failings "

YRS - APE


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Well HERE is a factual web site for you.

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fasten your seatbelts.
we are alone in the universe, cause she's just sixteen. she's too young to bear intelligent life. we exist cause of an accident and we belong to the future. aliens are of two natures, genetically modified organisms made with stolen human stuff by an "army" and beings created unconsciously by mankind as a divine entity.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:25:53 am
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http://www.americanpolicy.org/more/climatecatastrophes.htm
Another hypothesis posits that a giant comet hit the earth, causing violent explosions that put dust into the atmosphere and produced a dramatic cooling. This view is supported by Dr. Baillie, based on the work of Oxford astrophysicist Victor Clube. His calculations show a major commentary bombardment between 400 and 600 AD by meteor showers from the breakup of the comet Biela. Dr. Bailey also cited the death of King Arthur, at about 540 AD, which Celtic myths link to fire from the sky.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:26:53 am
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Is there life elsewhere in the universe? Certainly. Has any of that life visited earth? High questionable. People have often been pretty egocentric. But to think that God created this vast universe for mankind alone is about as egotistical as one can get. Just us against the Universe? Scarey thought. Mighty lonely idea. But just because there is life elsewhere, doen't mean its ever been here.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:27:42 am
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i don't say that God created this vast universe for mankind alone. i say that we came up too early cause of an accident.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 12:28:04 am
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QUOTE :" Gee, thanks, guys, for your typically vapid, mean-spirited and utterly useless contributions! Via, you are getting crabbier and crabbier in your old age, might I suggest a vacation? "
TRANSLATION " I was unable to tell the difference between a factual or fiction web site , so i will blame those who pointed out my failings "

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Nope. Them's your criteria, not mine, Ignorant one. I have been posting stuff on Nordic aliens on this site for at least two months. If you look back over the link, I already have most of the other U.F.O. sites on there posted earlier. I'm looking for ANY Nordic stuff at this point, comments, experiences, history, trivia, whatever! I don't care if it's from a game, a TV show, or whatever. I'm perfectly happy at this point to list anything that says "Nordic" now.

This is MY topic and if you don't like it, start your own topic on it and run it on whatever way you like.

Getting back to YOUR attitudes, though, have either you or Mars EVER offered anything here other than your own rude little comments? I go around the forum, and I never see any new thoughts, or research, not even any new links being offered by either of you, only the same tired old SNOTTY little comments. Very little real research being done by either of you, the only thoughts always negative.

So from where I sit, the "vapid, mean-spirited and utter useless comment thing deeply applies to you two.


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http://perso.wanadoo.fr/ummo.textes-essentiels/anglais/a001.htm
The Ummites claim to have landed on Earth in March 1950, in the area of Digne. Three crafts brought a crew from the planet UMMO that set up a base (see the summary in the book by J-P PETIT), probably on the Peak of Blache, between Digne and La Javie, in the south of France. They spent a certain time analysing our habits, walked around Paris (and undoubtedly elsewhere), and avoided drawing attention to themselves. In 1965, Mr. Fernando SESMA, the organiser of a slightly esoteric Spanish "association " which claimed to be in contact with other extraterrestrials, begins receiving letters. Other recipients also receive some. Contact is lost in 1970, then is regained in 1987, and continues until 1993 (at least, we do not have letters possibly sent outside these periods) with other recipients, particularly in France. We currently have approximately 200 to 300 pages of texts written by the Ummites but it is possible that many other letters exist. In a 1988 letter, reference is made to the existence of 3,850 pages, copies of which having been sent to several individuals represent the equivalent of 160,000 pages!


glossary: http://www.burlingtonnews.net/secretsufo.html


CETIANS - (or Tau Cetians)
A human race of 'Mediterranean' or 'South American' appearing, tan-skinned humans. Very similar to Caucasian humans on Terra except for SLIGHT differences (slightly pointed ears, higher physical 'density' for their size, slightly broader nose, 5' 5" tall on average, and often wear short 'Roman' or 'crew' style haircuts). Tau Ceti and Epsilon Eridani are said to be a major 'convergence' of exterran 'human' activity, and are said to be in alliance with the Pleiadeans (who in turn, according to contactees, have 'Federated' alliances with the Vegans, the Ummites, and others.). The Cetian alliance with the Pleiadeans and 'other' societies who have been 'victimized' by the 'Grey' predators is based on a desire to establish a common defense against their reptilian nemesis.



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:22:25 pm
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Via Mars,
I take it back. "Vapid" might not be the best word to describe you. I feel for your suffering, I really do, but you haven't cornered the market on pain and suffering, you know. I've lost family members, too, and I'll bet other people here have also had some tough times, even if they aren't as forthcoming on the details as you are.

I get the feeling you're looking for some "truth" you can only find here, some way to make some sense out of your experiences. The sad truth is you're going to probably be running into more people here like me than people like you. I'm here cause I want to talk about aliens, I have an interest in them and I want to see what anyone else knows. I'm NOT here to get ripped on or be a dumping ground for everyone's bad attitudes. I DO get pissed a lot, and whether you want to admit it or not, sounds like you do, too. (And you have a right to, too, I should add, given your troubles).

Maybe that truth can't be found here, though, maybe it's something you can only find within yourself.

By the way, you could have left part three on. I read it yesterday, but didn't get around to responding till today.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:22:47 pm
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Mars,
that was an interesting history and good advice came your way. Here is another piece that probably could have been written with your name on it. I hope it has some value for you. I offer it with sincerity, It has been a favorite of many people I know. I wonder why that is.

Anyway, if it has no value for you then just throw it away.


THE YOUNG MAN WHO WAS AFRAID

While they were up in the mountains, Jesus had a long talk with a young man who was fearful and downcast. Failing to derive comfort and courage from association with his fellows, this youth had sought the solitude of the hills; he had grown up with a feeling of helplessness and inferiority. These natural tendencies had been augmented by numerous difficult circumstances which the lad had encountered as he grew up, notably, the loss of his father when he was twelve years of age. As they met, Jesus said: "Greetings, my friend! why so downcast on such a beautiful day? If something has happened to distress you, perhaps I can in some manner assist you. At any rate it affords me real pleasure to proffer my services."

The young man was disinclined to talk, and so Jesus made a second approach to his soul, saying: "I understand you come up in these hills to get away from folks; so, of course, you do not want to talk with me, but I would like to know whether you are familiar with these hills; do you know the direction of the trails? and, perchance, could you inform me as to the best route to Phenix?" Now this youth was very familiar with these mountains, and he really became much interested in telling Jesus the way to Phenix, so much so that he marked out all the trails on the ground and fully explained every detail. But he was startled and made curious when Jesus, after saying good-bye and making as if he were taking leave, suddenly turned to him, saying: "I well know you wish to be left alone with your disconsolation; but it would be neither kind nor fair for me to receive such generous help from you as to how best to find my way to Phenix and then unthinkingly to go away from you without making the least effort to answer your appealing request for help and guidance regarding the best route to the goal of destiny which you seek in your heart while you tarry here on the mountainside. As you so well know the trails to Phenix, having traversed them many times, so do I well know the way to the city of your disappointed hopes and thwarted ambitions. And since you have asked me for help, I will not disappoint you." The youth was almost overcome, but he managed to stammer out, "But -- I did not ask you for anything -- " And Jesus, laying a gentle hand on his shoulder, said: "No, son, not with words but with longing looks did you appeal to my heart. My boy, to one who loves his fellows there is an eloquent appeal for help in your countenance of discouragement and despair.

Sit down with me while I tell you of the service trails and happiness highways which lead from the sorrows of self to the joys of loving activities in the brotherhood of men and in the service of the God of heaven."

By this time the young man very much desired to talk with Jesus, and he knelt at his feet imploring Jesus to help him, to show him the way of escape from his world of personal sorrow and defeat. Said Jesus: "My friend, arise! Stand up like a man! You may be surrounded with small enemies and be retarded by many obstacles, but the big things and the real things of this world and the universe are on your side. The sun rises every morning to salute you just as it does the most powerful and prosperous man on earth. Look -- you have a strong body and powerful muscles -- your physical equipment is better than the average. Of course, it is just about useless while you sit out here on the mountainside and grieve over your misfortunes, real and fancied. But you could do great things with your body if you would hasten off to where great things are waiting to be done. You are trying to run away from your unhappy self, but it cannot be done. You and your problems of living are real; you cannot escape them as long as you live. But look again, your mind is clear and capable. Your strong body has an intelligent mind to direct it. Set your mind at work to solve its problems; teach your intellect to work for you; refuse longer to be dominated by fear like an unthinking animal. Your mind should be your courageous ally in the solution of your life problems rather than your being, as you have been, its abject fear-slave and the bond-servant of depression and defeat. But most valuable of all, your potential of real achievement is the spirit which lives within you, and which will stimulate and inspire your mind to control itself and activate the body if you will release it from the fetters of fear and thus enable your spiritual nature to begin your deliverance from the evils of inaction by the power-presence of living faith. And then, forthwith, will this faith vanquish fear of men by the compelling presence of that new and all-dominating love of your fellows which will so soon fill your soul to overflowing because of the consciousness which has been born in your heart that you are a child of God.

"This day, my son, you are to be reborn, re-established as a man of faith, courage, and devoted service to man, for God's sake. And when you become so readjusted to life within yourself, you become likewise readjusted to the universe; you have been born again -- born of the spirit -- and henceforth will your whole life become one of victorious accomplishment. Trouble will invigorate you; disappointment will spur you on; difficulties will challenge you; and obstacles will stimulate you. Arise, young man! Say farewell to the life of cringing fear and fleeing cowardice. Hasten back to duty and live your life in the flesh as a son of God, a mortal dedicated to the ennobling service of man on earth and destined to the superb and eternal service of God in eternity."

And this youth, Fortune, subsequently became the leader of the Christians in Crete and the close associate of Titus in his labors for the uplift of the Cretan believers.


http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p130.htm

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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marz.......
the only thing thats fits that menu item that i know of had something to do with ongoing child custody issues with an ex from hell.


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I thought this thread was about Nordic aliens?
Admitedly, I have had a recent fascination with the blonde, benevolent beings, so perhaps later I can put down a few points on them and such.

(I'm fashionably late in the thread, I see )  ;)



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Very late, Blue One. Please do contribute, I believe this is your first appearance here.
Via, I hope you realize that you are among friends- hoping to be anyhow.

Nothing really to say here, I just wanted to be the one to add post number 100 to my own thread. YAAAYYYYYYYYYY!!


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:24:37 pm
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Pardon my tardiness, Ma'am, I was umm... *mutters under voice*...
A quick link from Above Top Secret About Nordics, including descriptions: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/nordics.html

More of the same including description of Grays & Reptilians: http://www.crystalinks.com/ets.html

More Human-like Aliens: ( Nordics, Pleiadians, Blues, Lyrans, Janosians, Hyadeans, Ummites, Vegans, Bernarians, Korendians) ( I KNEW Vegans were alien! ... I must have my little jokes, they remind me where I am )
http://aliens.monstrous.com/humans.htm

I'm not sure if any of these links are reposts, and I apologise if they are

(Gimme a bit of a break at the moment, eh? Not the best time for me to post)

I particulary like the last link, as it gives a brief summary of each type of human-like alien; A foundation on which can easily be built.



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Mind if I call you JERK, Mars?
You better be nice to me or I'm going to send the Nordics over to your house and mess up your mind big-time, this time. You wouldn't like that, seeing as how it seems like you're still getting over the last visit.

You need professional help, dude. Go get some, and, in the future, please keep your mindless little musings out of my thread from now on (and delete the ones you have in there, too). I'm not interested and I doubt many others here are either.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:25:40 pm
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In all honesty Jennie, i would LOVE it if you sent the Nordics to MY house. I WANT them to come. If you can make it happen, I'll give you anything you want
I'll stick by my word.

Now, back to the discussion...

Anyone got anything more to say besides Nordic descriptions and places of origins?



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:26:02 pm
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the angry one cries when fun is made of her inability to post anything of merit or substance regarding said thread description.
... and get's even angrier when one posts nothing of substance regarding said thread description.
perhaps one writes these things as a facetious lure - calling to the inequity of qualitative info. btw, i never was much into ****, much less alien versions.
so, i decided to balance out the bad with some good, clean, literary fun.
maybe there's a message or two in those passages that are overlooked by the vapid-brained "author" of this thread.

tell me jennie, do you honestly think that nordic aliens visit blacks?
do you see what i mean?

you have fallen into the "projection" trap, and refuse to climb out. white race propaganda.
since you have a self acclaimed lust for research, why not stick your toes in this water:
come up with alien visits to african peoples and find some animal mutilation data for that continent. then compare, with analysis of psychological components - related or relevant.
then say, nordic, or just alien. or neither.
ask yourself if a nordic alien concept is soothing to your senses, and why.
i dare you.

bonus assignment:
explain the wings of aliens/angels. are they there because earlier humans thought that they must need them to "fly"? is it a laughable oversight, or what?
a lame continuation of perception and myths?

what are your thoughts? put some ass behind this thread.
cut and paste? doesn't cut it.
your words. thoughts from before posting this, and subsequent ones. what have you learned.
... and not that crap about how ape and mars are vapidly deteriorating the quality of your thread. there's more to ig than what he let's on, misspelling and ramblings aside.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:27:01 pm
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Gee Mars, is that you're real opinion of me, you cute little looney, you? I'm crushed! In terms of putting some "ass" behind this thread, I don't have to do that.
YOU'RE THE ASS BEHIND THIS THREAD!

So you see, that's really quite unneccessary for me to do anything more.

As for literary merit - not. All you have ever done, not just with this thread, or anyone, is to add your own brain damaged, acid-poisoned lunatic little musings to the people who do the real work around here. In other words, you're a bystander in a forum of mostly intellient people who are each trying to do genuine research. A slack-jawed, uninformed, uneducated crab of a person. And your buddy Ape is just another negative straphanger, nothing to add about anything except negative comments.

Yes, the two of you do indeed contribute a lot of his forum from what I can see. The forum would be the much the better without either of your small-minded (and, in your case, mostly unhinged) little brains.

I ask you again, the both of you obviously having been here much longer than me, what have either of you EVER contributed to this forum other than your snotty little comments? You think you're being witty, but the only people you're impressing is yourselves.

And you have a lot of nerve insinuating I started this because of racial pride when every other post here from you seems to be anti-Jewish, my quite bigoted little friend.

Since, apparently, you can't even be man enough to stay from this thread as I asked you to, I will gleefully await the next time the lunatic asylum allows you to use the computer, {Gee, I can't wait!} and see what new crazy offerings you have then. By the way, if you, or anyone, think you're scaring me away from this site, my nutty and vapid little friend, think again.

You are the one who seems to be the scared one.

I tried being nice to you but you still wanted to act like a jerk, so whatever happens next, you have coming.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:27:31 pm
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Bluducky,
Any chance that hate mail you've been getting is coming from Via Mars? Sounds like his style.

I would love to send the Nordics over to your house, but I take it you're looking for two female Nordics, ala Victoria Silvstedt. Only the males are working at the moment.

By the way, my interest in the Nordics (as I explained originally), comes from the fact that I believe they may have some relationshop with Atlantis (not to mention that I happen to be a blonde, too). I hope that everyone who starts a new thread here isn't subject to the same crass, rude and mean-spirited over-analyzation as to the reasons why that I have been.


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Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:27:54 pm
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I have to say here, that if people would simply stick to facts and stay away from character assasination, there would be less of these kinds of disputes. Plus, they also tend to drive the people who want to make serious points on these topics away.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:28:20 pm
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You do that, buddy.
Sorry to disappoint you, Mars, but the acidhead crack was just a shot in the dark...but it's true, ain't it? Wow, you do have some interesting problems, all government classifications aside.

As for my interest in the Nordics, once more, sorry to disappoint you, but my life hasn't been as interesting as yours has been. No alien abduction stories in my past, no rapes by any dirty old uncles, never even dated a blonde-haired guy and just have it end badly. I just read about the Nordics and thought they were interesting, that's all. Like I told you earlier, you're probably going to find a lot more people like me around here than like you.

And as for my research here, well, you're looking at it! It's really about how paranoid I can make the average middle-aged white male...how ya think I'm doing?

Seeya Mars.



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:28:48 pm
 
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Jennie and Mars I like you both. No matter how you both might feel about the other, one thing still remains good about this. You both have an interest in things that most people refuse to acknowledge.
Somewhere though it all, it connects us as investigating researchers that want some type of input about the subject at the moment. Again, I understand that you both are mad at one another. For the moment lets look at the suppression of information that surrounds some of what we all discuss. I beleive that is a better reason to be pissed off. Agree?


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:29:19 pm
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hfn - i'm not mad at jennie, can't speak for her though.
... and no jennie, i wasn't inferring any sexual abuse or the like. i simply asked if you had been visited.
was it the innermost desire part that tripped that alarm? what i mean is, which you haven't attempted to answer, is the concept of nordic somehow possibly clouding your investigative abilities?
are you precluding at the expense of knowledge by focusing on too narrow a concept?
tell us about the africans. why or why not is it viable?
is it a case of, i want to know about religions, but only christian ones? if so, my pointed responses are falling on deaf ears ...
on the other hand, are you able to shake your preconceptions and challenge your own beliefs? and what had been spoon fed to your mind?
are you really looking for them, or only some of them? if so interested in atlantis, are you looking underground, underwater, or both?

as i said before, i humbly offer you good luck. throw it in the trash if you wish.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:30:13 pm
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I don't know if this has anything to do with this thread but I think if you read any of the old histories of Africa you will find that there were areas of the dark continent that made chiefs or shamen out of albino africans. Some had a white goddess figure as a result the first white explorers were treated as something special (others just thought they tasted better )Anyway "whiteness" was a difference that held special meaning for some african tribes.Strangely, dark people tended to be feared or shunned by white populations (this was prior to christianity, by the way. However, there are references to dark people and trading with them in the basically white Celtic populations.Race is race, its hard to hide visual differences. Race has always been a factor in interrelationships; moreso in some periods and less in others. You have the lest racial stress in areas where they mix considerably.The highly educated are less prone to racial bias than the uneducated.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:31:20 pm
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LOL! Atleast you aren't yelling "Go Squeelers"........
NE is going to stomp these boys hard.....

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:32:12 pm
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Ugh... sports... I HATE sports with a capital H, A, T, and E.
Yet another thread cast to the wayside by yet another personal dispute gone public. For this reason, I feel no shame whatsoever in adding my own little piece of pointless post  ;)

Ms. Jennie, I was serious about the Nordic visitation, and no, the thought of anything sexual didn't cross my mind for a moment. I really truly DO want them here, male or female. (No sex jokes people!)

(boy... I sound like a wacko now, huh?)

Excuse me all, nothing real to contribute atm, and time to do so is lacking anyway.

adieu...


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Oh is some game being played? Shux that means some mindless series will be preempted so we can watch a bunch steroid stuffed, bulletheads chase a piece of pigs hide all over the place 
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:33:09 pm
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i bet the nordic patriots will win.
it's in the cards. i mean the software ...
kidding.
if more info avails itself, the nordic way will still captivate my waning vapidness.
life is full of ups and downs.
and this too shall pass ...
unless mcgrasp deems otherwise. she could silence us with a couple of well placed keystrokes. and don't you forget it.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:33:31 pm
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Nope, Mars, I don't plan on deleting this thread no matter how many weird, insulting and off-topic things you add to it, but this disjointed, free-flowing word association is really starting to bore me. As for your ideas of what this thread should be, shouldn't you be the one investigating if Nordics are visiting black people? You've already admitted to being anti-semetic, I would think you'd want to do that just to prove to us that you're not one of those, uhm, bigots...
HFN, no, I'm not angry at nor hate Via Mars, in truth, I guess I feel a little sorry for him and told him earlier I wanted us to be pals. He keeps picking, though, and, like I told him time and again, I am not here to be anyone's personal doormat. He who smiteth shall be smiteth in kind. (Book of Revelations, Chapter One, verse Twenty-two....well, not really).



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:33:57 pm
 
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Vapid Mars,
Here's some more free word association for ya, enjoy!

Vain, Virgo, Virginity, Voyeur, Vitrified, Victrola, Victorious, Viggo Mortenson, Victor Frankenstein, Victor Hugo, Vlad the Impaler...there! Can we get back on the topic again..?


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:34:27 pm
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Incidentally, I'll leave the Atlantis musings to our more studious friends over in the Atlantis forum, they have done far more work on the topic than I will ever do. Yet, would any of you like to hear my vision of Atlantis..? I posted it over there awhile ago.
What if the reason Atlantis has never been found was because it happened on another world, in the Pleidian star system? What if the survivors brought their technology, their culture over here and gave birth to the story?

The Nordic aliens, confused with both gods and angels, might be the sole survivors of that ancient civilization, still living here - perhaps in underground cities, perhaps in secret caverns in the mountains, in underground domes beneath the oceans. Maybe their home base is that area in Antarctica that everyone is mistaking for"Kadath." They are in a war with the grays over the fate of the world. They care about us, have guided much of our history. To the grays, we are simply an experiment they would like to test the limits of.

Perhaps the story of the Watchers and the daughters of Cain is simply the story of the Nordics cross-breeding with the Neandertals, in order to get, well, us...

The Watchers (the Nordics) passed on much of their ancient technology to us. They taught us how to make war, how to build flying aircraft, perhaps even how to love. They haven't been seen since the 1980's, but some of them are still around, and that's how we get the idea of angels.

The war between the Nordics and the aliens have been fought for centuries. I had a link someplace about explosions in outer space someplace that would seem to be proof of some intergalactic war, but don't know where is is off hand. Both sides have space travel, and both sides have been engaged in abuduction, but the Nordics do it benevolently. The ships that the prophets Ezekiel and Elijah saw in the Bible? Those would be flying saucers, likewise the one seen by Alexander the Great when he was on one of his campaigns.

The Nordics are the good guys, we look like them and we are descended from them. The grays the bad guys.

Anyone with any thoughts on this, anyone besides Mars, that is..?

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Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:34:50 pm
 
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How does that square with your other theory in my time travel thread that all the aliens (reptiles, gray, Nordics) are simply human beings - us, at various stages of evolution - travelling time to study us cause they're interested in what they used to be? I think I liked that idea better...
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:35:21 pm
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I'd like the Eagles over the Patriots by the way. I hate those teams that win all the time, I like it when somebody else to gets a turn.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:35:44 pm
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It's not contrary to the other theory to say that they could still be doing time travel, too. Time travel is probably an open book to all the alien beings - they probably couldn't get here in the first place without soaring through space with the benefit of wormholes and such! Point is, the Nordics are the good guys.
You can tell that just by the lack of anal probes in any of the accounts.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:36:22 pm
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Or, I have a different scenario for you: the government, post World War II, simply testing new types of flying craft wanted to maintain a veil of secrecy over many of their top secret projects. And so, they simply fed the whole U.F.O. phenomenum all it's various misinformation because it was in their interest to do so. The ruse got quite out of hand, which is why inane stories like "Roswell" became so popular.
When all is said and done, usually it is the simplest explanation that makes the most sense.

A corrupt government is infinitely more believable than flying saucers when it's all said and done, don't you think?



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:36:50 pm
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you forgot vitriole ...
ari - you might have somewhat of a point with the coincidental aspect, but don't forget:
ufo's have been reported for centuries. they're even in some of the oldest classical religious paintings, of all things.

anti-semite? and exactly where do you derive that? from simply pointing out factual passages?
for simply publicizing the fact that while americans right here in the homeland are suffering, billions of dollars of our tax money goes to state sponsored terrorism. missiles flying into neighborhoods full of children and innocents is out and out terrorism. concocting war related scenarios so that others may feel the wrath from being falsely accused ... "by way of deception, thou shalt wage war" - mossad.

maybe i'm nordic, and don't like the injustices being thrust upon the palestinians, or americans for that matter. (wtc), (liberty), and countless other not so publicized examples.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:37:15 pm
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sorry, i forgot to quote the inestimable colin powell - "it is not anti-semitic to criticize the policies of the state of israel".
so, quit being so anti-american against one who sticks up for our interests, and maybe have the nerve to answer one of my questions.
... if you really do want to know the truth.

thank you.

p.s. i gotta hand it to you - that quip about the uncle and the tool shed, or whatever, was one of the funniest i've heard in a while. kudos
perhaps joker of the week should be revived?
oh ducky?

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:37:39 pm
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Does any of these extra-terrestial beings have interest in peaceful communication with everyday people?
In a sence, I think they talk to us though what we learn by the clues they leave.
A picture of a crop circle could be of interest to a scientist because of the geometric design. You may see one and through what you've learned, it may symbolically mean so much more.

As for the interaction of this Nordic Alien,
They could very well have come from a future time to retrace the steps the human beings have taken that them to the stars.
This thought offers hope for the future of human kind. Then again, maybe they took part in seeding this planet with our kind?



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:38:02 pm
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Hmm, so now you see your bigotry in an even noble light? You're protecting America now, is that it? If a people are to be hated, methinks you would have chosen one of the Arab peoples in that regard instead. Perhaps you are misnamed, perhaps you should call yourself the "Anti-semite Avenger" instead.
Nah, come to think of it, I still like "Vapid Mars" if we're going to keep mangling each other's names. Has a nice ring to it.

Hey, any thoughts on the topic or are you going to insist on constantly steering it off track?

By the way, I don't care how many "jokers of the week" there are, Vapid Mars. You'll always be my joker.



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Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:38:59 pm
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Let's stay on the topic here, please. It sounds like it is just about to get interesting.
I had an idea for a comment I was about to add to this thread, but since it seems more suitable for my thread on God, I think I shall add it over there instead.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:39:20 pm
 
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Mars, I hope you realize that you're arguing with a twenty-two year old. She probably still listens to people like Britney Spears (that's actually "listens", not "looks at" like most of us do).
I realize that there have been pre-1900 sightings of flying saucers, yet they were sparse at best and how many of those accounts were reliable? Certainly, we can't question the witnesses any longer. The Bible accounts that Jennie puts forward are all the more laughable. For one thing, we can't even be certain how much of the Bible is true and how much simple stories. For another, the events happened so long ago they are entirely unverifiable. I could say the same thing about the ancient Sumerian tablets, more myth, and that's all.

This whole topic is very easy to unravel.

Flying saucers: the result of the government testing experimental planes, then trying to cover it up. Most of the recent pictures have been faked.
You'll notice the upsurge photgraphic evidence - at the exact same time that technology was more able to produce better fakes.

Alien abduction: mostly the ravings of people who are either crazy or on hallucinogens. I don't doubt that some of them actually believe what they were seeing. Then, people also used to claim to see leprechauns, too, and there aren't any vast segments of society extolling them.

Crop circles and cattle mutiliations are also things that people have vainly tried to link with the alien phenomenom. But there is no evidence that one is linked with the other and most of these things have been proven to be manmade anyway.

In short, the case for aliens is long on wishful thinking, short on actual evidence.

Next Jennie or someone will want to bring up the "alien autopsy" thing or some other silliness. As W.C. Fields used to say, there is a sucker born every minute.



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Aristotle, do you believe in any of the things we're discussing here?
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There are no miracles. I believe in work, toil and death, not necessarily in that order either.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:40:14 pm
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I figured you would say all that, but I doubt you've done any real research about any of this, Aristotle. You're just trying to be negative as possible to spoil it for everybody else. Sure there are a lot of nutcases out there when it comes to U.F.O.'s, but if even ninety percent of the alien reports turn out to be garbage, there's still about ten percent out there that you can't explain, and that nobody can explain.
If they are all a load of junk answer me this:

Why do all the abduction victims end up seeing pretty much the same thing?

Also, what aircraft has the government ever invented that can move around like the flying saucers can?

And what about the phenomenum of missing time that is present in so many abductions?



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Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:40:36 pm
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:41:05 pm
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Obviously, there has to be some other life in the universe. It's a huge universe, only a fool would think that we exist here alone. I suppose the question is this, is it advanced enough to contact us? Has it ever contacted us?
Just because the Milky Way Galaxy itself appears to be devoid of life (at the moment) doesn't mean that there wasn't life out there once. Mars, for instance, has the look of a world scarred by some catastrophe. I also believe that the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter might be the remains of a dead world.



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:41:31 pm
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Hi all. I have been away for a few days. Did anyone even notice?
To all who did, thank you; my warmest greetings to you all. To all who DIDN'T, screw you too

Aristotle, Glad to see you've come back to play. You've made a joke, I hear  (right Mars?)
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All good and well -- provided you are able to back your assertions. Many in this thread have added what information they can, be they theories (mostly), or something more solid (albeit debatable). You, on the other hand, inform us that these are all incorrect without so much as a trial. (note I am insisting you both examine the evidence, and provide a defence of your own work against it -- like everyone else.)

I am in no mood to comment in any real way right now, so, perhaps I'll be back tommorrow, instead.

take care all,

Au 'voir



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:41:51 pm
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Aristotle: Point of correction that statement "Theres a sucker born every minute" is actually attributed to P. T. Barnum; though I can see Willy using it. It was ole W.C. who said."Of course I like children...it all depends on how they're cooked".
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:42:23 pm
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I stand corrected, Brig. Like most here, I didn't bother to double check my references before posting them. Fields' sucker reference actually comes from the title of his movie, "Never Give a Sucker an Even Break."
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Many in this thread have added what information they can, be they theories (mostly), or something more solid (albeit debatable). You, on the other hand, inform us that these are all incorrect without so much as a trial. (note I am insisting you both examine the evidence, and provide a defence of your own work against it -- like everyone else.)
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Bluducky,

I believe that the problem here is that you are asking me to prove a negative. It would seem to me that the onus is on the U.F.O. enthusiasts to make their case, and, as I have pointed out, they have failed to do so. Where are all the crashed alien craft, and why aren't scientists studying the bodies? That is what would fall into the category of "proof." If science can examine something and classify it, then it can be called "proof." In addition, very little that has been shown in this forum can be called "solid." Most of the theories you cite actually fall into the category of "opinions," and, in cases like Jennie's (and perhaps your own), wishful thinking.

When all else fails, it is usually the simplest explanation that is the correct one, not the one that is the most fantastic. The sooner some of you realize that and that we are, at best, a cosmic accident, most likely alone in the universe, meant only for toil, drudgery and then death, the better.   :)


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:42:49 pm
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To Jennie:
All alien abuctions see the same thing (perhaps they've all been taking the same hallucinogens)

Flying saucers don't move like any other planes (it's a wonder what special effects can do these days, isn't it?)

Missing time (perhaps they need new watches)

Don't worry, Jennie, I don't expect you to understand other explanations to all of these things, I know you're only twenty-two.



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:43:15 pm
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Rather a drab view of the world, wouldn't you say?
Bluducky, I always notice when you're not here, except, of course, when I'm not here myself.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:43:47 pm
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 I believe that the problem here is that you are asking me to prove a negative. It would seem to me that the onus is on the U.F.O. enthusiasts to make their case, and, as I have pointed out, they have failed to do so. Where are all the crashed alien craft, and why aren't scientists studying the bodies? That is what would fall into the category of "proof." If science can examine something and classify it, then it can be called "proof." In addition, very little that has been shown in this forum can be called "solid." Most of the theories you cite actually fall into the category of "opinions," and, in cases like Jennie's (and perhaps your own), wishful thinking.


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Aristotle, well said and well noted.

However, I haven't asked you to prove any negatives at all.

Noting the highlighted text in your quote, I can readily TELL you where their 'evidence' is, although, I can't prove that, nor can they. (I hope you're following)

UFO phenomena require a whole different breed of proof, because their proof, simply does not exist to the open public. (as is plain to all)

How can we know if they are telling the truth, when so many claim that this 'proof' is taken away from them? How can we tell if there really are aliens if all the evidence is hidden away from view?

The simple point i'm making is that we cannot know for sure if they are telling the truth, as they have no control of their evidences, so HOW can they possibly show it to you?

Simple answer -- it can't be done. But, this by no means negates the existence of UFOs/aliens, and if you're as scientific as you like to suggest, then I'm sure you will agree.

Innocent until PROVEN guilty, and given the circumstances, you cannot rightfully call them wrong, can you?

(it may be possilbe to prove them wrong on a strictly scientific level, such as astronomy, and demonstrable, known sciences, but NOT for physical proof ,which is lacking)



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:44:24 pm
 
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PS: thank you Dawn, it's nice to be noticed  :)
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:44:51 pm
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I notice when you're gone, too, Bluducky, you are one of the few sane (and nice) ones here.
Aristotle,

It would be one thing if you actually looked at the evidence (or even read a book about any of the things we're discussing here), then your opinion might mean something to me, but you clearly haven't even done that. Ducky is right, you don't go point by point, you don't take any scientific viewpoints, hell, you don't even do any work on it at all, you just say it's all crap and that's that.

Are you married? Cause I bet your wife doesn't put up with that crap, if you even have a wife.



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:45:39 pm
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Bluducky,
The classic definition of the abbreviation "U.F.O." is "unidentified flying object." It need not be of extraterrestial origin at all. I am willing to believe that some people have witnessed things they can't explain in the skies. Yet, unless one of these "crafts" is captured and examined and one of the "visitors" is studied and classified, it would be an extreme leap of faith to suggest that they are of extraterrestial origin. Do you follow?


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:50:06 pm
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Jennie (I sigh hugely here), you're only twenty-two years old. Were I to have my way, there would be a minimum age requirement of thirty years old before anyone can even post a comment here. The rest of you could simply read what the rest of us are writing and learn from us. You "study" aliens because they are fun. You have admitted it to us many times. Since alien abductions are most likely the result of deranged minds either not on their medication or being overly medicated, I would like to say that you are having your "fun" at the expense of the pathetic and the deranged, and so I have little trouble in sparing your feelings.
As for my marital status, I'm afraid I'm taken, you'll have to look elsewhere for a potential boyfriend.



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:50:55 pm
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Too funny. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. My age requirement would be to draw the line at 100. At that point senility sets in (you are proof of that). Since you, Ari, my decrepit little friend, would be pushing 2,400 years at this point by my reckoning, that would sure let you out.
I ask again, have you ever even looked at any of the evidence, or is it simply thumbs down to even the mere notion of U.F.O.'s?



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:51:28 pm
 
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before we all go crazy about craft that may or may not be alien controlled, let's look at some unorthodox flying objects that men have been playing around with for years. http://www.unrealaircraft.com/
lot's of links from that site ...
i also added a link in the ufo forums here at ar central some time back - try the search feature.

so, what it all boils down to is this:
the craft we see, no matter how crazy they seem to act in their mechanics of flight and raw speed, etc. are manned by us. or should i say more correctly, in some cases, controlled by us?
it's the ones you don't see, that may or may not be "them", if you catch my drift.

to include, you must first exclude.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:51:56 pm
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Ari, I state again: "Innocent until PROVEN guilty, and given the circumstances, you cannot rightfully call them wrong, can you?"
Perhaps there ARE aliens flying about in mighty, heavenly craft? Noone can say WHO the pilots are, whether alien or human in origin.
Nobody with credibility seems able to verify either the existence of aliens, OR incredible flying machines, so who can say if they are human or not? (See where I'm going here? It's not a matter of opinion, but a matter of science which cannot be proven either way to the common public)


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Jennie (I sigh hugely here), you're only twenty-two years old. Were I to have my way, there would be a minimum age requirement of thirty years old before anyone can even post a comment here.
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Yeah, I like that idea. It's very fair and open minded. Just perfect for unbiased debate

A lesson for you Ari,

Wisdom comes in many forms, and often from the most unlikely places...

Jennie,

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Too funny. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. My age requirement would be to draw the line at 100. At that point senility sets in (you are proof of that).... Ari, ... would be pushing 2,400...
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Easy there, my dear Jennie, you have already said he acts like he's 100, and therefore, ari's STILL eligible  (I pay attention)

(PS: Thank you for noticing Jennie. Flattery will get you anywhere in this world -- it's a fact that all people respond favourably to it, (except maybe perpetual grouches) even when it wasn't sincere) (she called me 'sane' and 'nice' )


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I concur there, Martian!

It's the ones we DON'T see that may be 'them', but the ones we CAN see are only 'us' with our crappy toys.



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:52:22 pm
 
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Draw the line at 30 and we lose half of our posters. The lunatic half perhaps, but still half  Draw the line at 100 and I'm going to be the only one close; but ,thank God, not that close. So I guess we'd all be outa luck, or in luck, depends on your viewpoint 
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:52:50 pm
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that's right blu, until proven otherwise.
and yet we do know that:
a) man has and does fly unorthodox aircraft
b) there is a possibility that others, who can't readily be identified, could be flying those same craft
c) i reiterate, there is a good chance that man is flying those craft
d) i will concede however, that the rudimentary designs, and possibly certain materials used therein, may have come from "unusual" sources. (but then again, may haver come from earlier technologically advanced humans)
or my favorite
e) it's futile, therefore get your own uav or personal hovercraft, and see what the fuss is all about.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:53:10 pm
 
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jennie - nordic aliens fly real ufos.
if you don't believe me, ask johne. perhaps you would like to read about the vril society in that other thread i mentioned earlier?
just thought it might be your cup of tea ...


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:53:35 pm
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Brig, wouldn't we be better off without some of the crazy people..?
Bluducky, science demands facts, not theories. In other words, to put it bluntly, science demands a corpse. Show me a body of an alien visitor of any type, be it Nordic (and it has to be an alien, too, not simply a dead Swede), gray or reptilian and then I will believe you. By the way, I wouldn't get too swelled a head about Jennie calling you "sane." Remember, she's only twenty-two, who is she to judge?

Jennie, never mind, I have already refuted your sensationalist claims twice already. It would be a waste of my time to do so again.



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:53:56 pm
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"Refuted them..?" Refuted them with what? Your own personal bias? Where have you even addressed my "claims"..? I asked you a point blank question, not only did you not even answer it, you go on about people's ages again. Do you have any other line of argument?
Mars,

Thank you for the heads up, I have been reading what JohnE posted, very informative.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:54:17 pm
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Jennie, you're only twenty-two. When you get older, perhaps you'll understand something more about the world.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:54:47 pm
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Oh Ari, what you don't know can't hurt you, right? (I don't think you will understand quite what I mean there...)
Science demands facts, and, as I have stated many a time, these facts aren't available in PHYSICAL FORM. (ie. no 'swedish' corpses ) BUT, the written science can still be tested, can it not?

Many abductees come home with crazy tales of what they have seen, and, sometimes, it just may be plausible.

How can a lay person with no knowledge of anything technical all of a sudden tell of implosion based technology which can hurtle a ship through space at the speed of light? and then give a brief description of HOW it works? (even drawing pictures) Some abductees do such things. There is information available to critique, if you so desire.

Physical proof should be the last thing you should think about at the moment, as you can plainly see that it is lacking. Therefore, deal with what IS available.

Don't take my word for it, look at reports yourself.


one more thing:

Aristotle, you're only (insert age here). When you think without such a closed view, and with an intend to UNSERSTAND, rather than find fault, perhaps you'll understand something more about the world.

(PS: no, i'm not picking on you...)



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:55:10 pm
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ari - at age 22 you were 4 years into the academy, and remained until plato's death in 348 bc.
how easily you have forgotten that which your own tongue spake:
the young are lovers of laughter, lovers of wit.
did plato scold you at that tender age, and now you reciprocate?


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:55:34 pm
 
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Draw the line at 30 and we lose half of our posters. The lunatic half perhaps, but still half
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:56:47 pm
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Don't worry, Bluducky, feel free to "pick on me" as much as you wish. If you are taking the "UFO" side of the argument, you'll need to muster whatever weapons you can find, and I understand that.

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And how often has this ever happened? Where are the technical details regarding such a revealing discovery? More to the point, has science ever come up with any new technology in regards to any of these abuduction tales? Or anything resembling what we are working on now? I think not.


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Which isn't much. I have a deal for you, Jennie, and Via since you all seem to be interested in such things. Each of you produce what you believe is the best evidence of U.F.O.s (extraterrestial contact  ), the very best, and let's see how it stands up to scrutiny. I'm betting it won't be much.



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:57:15 pm
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Via Mars,

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Plato was a vain old man who was constantly looking for ways to be remembered throughout history.

(But at least he didn't believe in U.F.O.'s  )  ;)

Don't even get me started on the Atlantis tale. He who created it also destroyed it.



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:57:46 pm
 
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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ari - i have provided several links to ufos. i'll grant that mine start with the word unorthodox, though.
i believe that clearly draws the line.
as for creatures not of this world, yes i believe they have visited and possibly may have influenced history to some degree, but might not have been back in hundreds, if not thousands of years.
i too, await proof while dallying in speculation.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 23, 2008, 11:59:48 pm
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Okay, so I never really have had any real encounters with aliens. My boyfriend and I were out camping in the woods one summer ago, though, and we did have see some strange lights coming from within the trees - big lights, like something huge was deep inside there that was just radiating this weird light. We were too scared to investigate so that's all we saw. I know it wasn't another truck or anything, this light was huge.
I've also dreamed about the grays. In my dreams, everything is blurry and I'm strapped on a table and the weird gray guys want to do all these strange things to me. They're talking, it's not English, but for some odd reason, I can understand every word that they're saying. Nothing does happen to me, each time I wake up before it's about to begin, but in the dream I'm very scared and they are very threatening. I've had the dream at least two or three times. It's sort of drawn me to get interested in things like this, so I've been reading up on them lately.



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 24, 2008, 12:00:19 am
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Your dreams sound like they are derivative of any number of Hollywood movies, or one of the episodes of the X-Files. Jean, 99% of what scares comes from our imagination, the rest the tiny 1% leftover, comes from the craziness of our fellow man. The same mind that imagines it sees U.F.O.s might also be delusional enough to commit bloody atrocities.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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C'mon, give her a break, man, she's a new member. You want to drive everybody away..?
Jean, pay no attention to Aristotle, he seems to lead a pretty dull life (and seems to want it that way), and won't be happy unless he tries to make sure that everyone else leads one, too.

Speaking for me, at least, I would love to hear more about your dreams and experiences. They sound like classic alien encounters.



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 24, 2008, 12:01:58 am
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So I'm supposed to be crazy now because sometimes I have dreams about aliens..?
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Don't pay attention to Aritoddle, Jean 1984, some people are born not only stupid, but biased and crabby.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Isn't Spock's name "Leonard NEMOY? not Mcoy? Zodiac?
Welcome to the good ship AR Jean, excepting Aristotle's initial post to you, I hope you enjoy it here

Aristotle, as a change of pace, I'd like to answer you with as much thought as you afford me in YOUR replies.

Go and find your own proof to negate. there are numerous accounts, just pick one that someone thinks is sincere (ie, the abductee), and 'proofread it' for authenticity.

Wait. .that was a bit too detailed..

Take a gander at Mars' evidence before you rule anything out, as, as he eloquently states, "there are some that we can see, and others we can't. The ones we can see, are more than likely the product of our own ingenuity, but the ones we can't see, are truly an enigma -- maybe THOSE ones are piloted by aliens."(something to that effect) (Sorry for the misquote, Mars)

(as an example of courtesy, notice that I always put others' names in bold type so they can see what is being said about/addressed to them? I have noticed too many names without bold in hidden places within various posts, and I know I personally don't want to a 'victim' of a "sneak assault". So as as a gentle request: If the name ain't out in the open, please make it stand out  Thanks guys, you're the best )



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Hi Doc,
Nimoy was not the reference, but McCoy the doctor was.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:09:21 pm
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Thank you for welcoming me on board, Bluducky. No, people like Aristotle aren't going to scare me off, there's always someone like him on these Internet forums (usually more than one, too).
Well, this did happen to me, I'm not kidding about it. There was this blinding white light come from within the forest (I kid you not), and it lasted for several minutes, then was just...gone...

As for the dreams, well, they were pretty frequent for about six months after that and I still have them sometimes.

Unlike Jennie, I'm not even that interested in aliens cept to try and figure out what exactly happened to me (and maybe continues to happen).



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:09:49 pm
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I am curious as to whether abductees are of one breed particularly.
(ie. brown haired, white skinned predominantly? what are the places they happen? (countries, areas, 'hot spots') etc.
To this end, and very skeptically, I ask more specifics of YOUR encounters, Jean, in an attempt to put together a "ratio puzzle", drawing from whatever accounts we can get. If you are sincere in not really caring, but feel it HAS happened in any case, then I consider your particular account important.

If you don't mind,

Of what race and nationality are you? eye colour? Hair colour? Skin colour?

In what "woods" specifically were you camping when you encountered the 'huge light'?

What did the Greys say? You said you could understand them, though they did not speak English.

If you want to make sense of this, it makes sense to gather such information, and find out what it is they might want with their abductees.

If anyone has any information about encounters they, or someone with credibility they know has had (trusted relatives with integrity etc) , I am asking you for your/their details also.

In order to guage whether this is a workable theory, as many credible accounts as possible are needed. (People with a track record of fantasies and mental disturbances aren't required to share, thank you. Such accounts need not be related, as they are not credible scientifically.)

If you're not comfortable sharing such details in front of the whole world, then I have personal contact details in my public profile.

It's time to stop wondering, and get scientific here. (Care to join me Aristotle? You want science? Then gather information, and let the analysis begin. Be a do'er.



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:10:14 pm
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Bluducky,
Well, first off, I should say that I don't know that I was ever abducted. I should say that right off. Like I said earlier, this has the feel of a dream, and that's it. I wake up from the dream, and I'm always in my bed. Most of the time, I'm perspiring, shaking, but also very cold, too, which is weird, as well.

I don't mind sharing any and all the details with everyone here since I'm not using my full name anyway. Don't expect me to reveal personal details that are too telling, like where I'm from or anything. I am really not trying to call attention to myself, I just want to learn more.

I will tell you that I'm an American woman, twenty years old, white, with blue eyes and blonde hair, about five foot seven. I won't tell you which woods I was in, except to say that I live in the upper Midwest and there are a lot of them here. Camping out in the summer is something that everyone here does a lot.

My boyfriend and I shared the same sleeping bag, we started to kiss when this light comes up from behind us. At first, we do think it's another truck, but the light broadens quite a bit and we realize that it's not coming towards us, but from above us, down, into the trees. I can't even be sure just how far away it was only that it moves very fast. This is no ordinary light, the light actually moves in these weird half-circles. I don't know quite how to describe it. It seems to move around, and it is huge. I don't hear any real noise that goes with the light, except there's the sound of the branches breaking at first, of course, but then nothing. It's really eerie, I couldn't even hear any animals, not even an owl. Then there's this faint "ping" off in the background, like a drop of water dripping or something, but through a loudspeaker. It's not really electronic, I don't know how to describe it. We're both scared half to death, too scared to even move. I remember my boyfriend being even more frightened than I was. He seems to think that I'm going to ask him to investigate it, but I wouldn't dare. I just whispered to him. "Let's get the hell out of here."

And so, we both got up and headed back to the truck, leaving the sleeping bag and all the other junk behind. Just before I got in the truck myself, I looked back and took a look at the light. It was huge, and it just seems to radiate through the whole forest, but it seems to go both on and off, like it's pulsing, or someone is fliping a switch on and off. We both pile into the truck and take off. Shockingly, it takes two tries to start that old truck. Once we began speeding away, I looked back in the rearview mirror, the light is fading out or good now, like it wasn't even really there at all. The last thing I remember about that night was coming home was coming home with a splitting headache, my dad kidding me about not being brave enough to spend the whole night in the woods. I kept the details from him and have to this day.

As for the dreams, the odd thing is, they didn't even start until about two months after the woods experience. I still don't really know how to describe them. I don't actually see any faces or anything, just blurry outlines of their shapes, some tall and some very short. I see the pictures on the websites and the books of the "grays." Mine look nothing like that, all of them have pretty much these oval-shaped heads, though, and seem to stand around in the darkness, a lab or something. They're more shadows than creatures, if that makes any sense. Only once did I see the eyes of one of them up close, and they were more murky than like real eyes.

Not only is the dream threatening, it's also kind of sexy, somehow, too. My hands and ankles are tied spreadeagled, and all I'm wearing is this gown of cheap tissue, barely even concealing me. The thing I'm on isn't so much a table, but a chair, with the back positioned back, and my legs are tied apart from each other. Its like a weird dentist's chair or something. I usually feel this warm, searing pain that rides up my back and an aching that starts on the inside of my thighs. The "aliens" if you want to call them that, are speaking about me, and I can understand them even thought they don't speak English. You asked what they said, but I don't remember that exactly, only certain words like "woman," "wired," and "all," or is it "vall?"

They have these long instruments that look long and well, cold, and are just about to begin to use them on me. Then, mercifully, I tend to awaken. Physically and mentally, I don't feel as if I have been taken someplace, but I do feel violated. I walk around feeling ashamed, not wanting to be touched. I used to be very even-tempered, now I have a short fuse. Sometimes, I find myself just starting to cry for no reason. I feel a lot more tired than someone should be at my age, worse, sometimes I get afraid to fall asleep. I want to get some kind of therapy, but I can't afford it on my own and can't ask my parents without telling them what happened. So here I am, on the Internet, telling my story to strangers, hoping that one of you might have some answers for me.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:10:56 pm
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Jean "1984", I see three possibilities with your story.
One, you're very good at making up details that give the story that realistic edge.

Two, you actually believe that this happened to you, in which case (since there are no aliens, you probably are crazy).

Three, something happened to you either as a child or recently of a sexual nature that you are trying to repress and the alien story is how it's manifesting itself.

Of the three, I would like to believe the third the most because (even though it would be the worst for you), it would speak the best of your credibility.

I think I will have to go with Number One, though, as the simplest explanations tend to be the most plausible, and, by rule I always tend to believe (and see) the worst in people!   :)


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:11:45 pm
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What's the matter Aristotle? Not going to help now that you have your opportunity? The true seeker of truth looks EVERYWHERE, and is not inhibited by their own personal bias. Feel free to doubt, but that shouldn't stop you from participating, and trying to get to the bottom of anything, should it?

Jean, there is one more thing which you have left out -- your boyfriend.

Is his account the same as your own?

What of his physical characteristics?

Was he similarly haunted after the encounter with the light?

ALL eyewitness accounts are crucial to the understanding of any case. Without them all, we can only ever have a partial view of the puzzle. It's like history with missing pieces.

I would also prefer it if you could be more specific of the location of this giant, blinding white light. As you said, there are many woods in that area.

(Again, if you're not willing to share with the whole world, I have contact details in my profile. A simple email with the relevent details would be excellent.)

( I don't really want regurgitated opinions, like the plethora of websites purporting to contain "Real accounts". I want accounts of real people, who claim real encounters, in real places, with real descriptions. (not vague details))

Anyone else got any encounter stories, personally, or of someone close to you?

Share the details and help compile something more solid as regards what our visitors want from us/are looking for in 'specimins'. Noone's going to learn anything unless we have a basis to work with.

All personal details will remain strictly confidential. What do you have to lose?



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:12:18 pm
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Bluducky, I will tell you everything I can remember, but I'm not about to give away really specific details like my full name and my exact location. That would give me away to people to people who might read this website and I just can't handle that right now. I'm here basically to get advice and information, nothing else.
Aristotle, I expected you to react the way you did, having read some of the past things you've said to people. I'd like to point out, again, what I said earlier, that I'm not convinced that I was ever abducted by a U.F.O., other people can make that judgment, not me. As I said, after every time I have the dream, I wake up in my bed, shaken, but feeling like I was there the whole time. In my dreams, I don't ever get the feeling that I was moved, or ever on a ship or anything, more just like a very dark room, possibly a lab or something.

Bluducky, you asked about my boyfriend. Yes, his account is the same as mine, or similar, although we only actually talked about it that night and a couple of times afterwards. He didn't see the light as long as I did, because he was too busy running to the car, but he was very afraid, normally he acts very confident. He is dark-haired, a big guy and very athletic. We don't date anymore, after the experience in the forest, and then with the dreams, I dislike being touched, by anyone really, so I broke it off with him. Now, even though I'm in college, I'm not interested in seeing anyone either. Once, I asked him after we broke up if ever had any bad dreams after what happened in the forest. He said he didn't, and that he sleeps like a baby. That may be a lie, though, he never was very open with his emotions to me.

If these shadows (I call them shadows anyway), are actually aliens, well, what do these beings want? What is their point in being so invasive?

They seem able to trick my mind, but not my emotions. Even though I feel I was never moved, that I was in my room the whole time I have these dreams, my body and reactions seem to be telling me something quite different. Has anyone ever been able to ward them off, make them stop coming?



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:12:51 pm
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Two observations here. First one, Jean, your boyfriend sounds like a wimp. I'm sorry, but it's true.
Second, this does sound like either a classic abduction case, or it sounds like a dream. You mentioned that they could fool your mind, but not your emotions and body or something like that. Care to elaborate on that at all..?


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:13:18 pm
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I fail to see why alien abductions are always presented as the only explanation for cases like (apparently) Jean's. Think of it: the Nordic aliens and the gray aliens allegedly at war with one another. Does their example look like similar to other examples we have seen in the eternal conflict between ood and evil?
What if the Nordics are, in reality, not from another world, but actually, the angels we have written about in the Bible?

What if the "Grays," and other monstrous aliens are, in actuality demons, visiting our realm?

The alien abduction stories, to me, anyway,sound similar to the near death experiences wherein one almost dies, and is, briefly, overwhelmed by demons trying to drag one into the underworld. The Nordic aliens, more gentle in their appearances always seem to play the part of messenger. Like an angel does.

It is an eternal war between the Nordics and the grays, but it is not the sort of "space war" we are thinking. It is the eternal war between good and evil and the Nordic/gray details are our physical evidence of it.

Since the Nordic alien hasn't been seen in quite some time, since the earth is one vast soup of chaos and tragedy, since the times seem to grow darker each day, I can only assume which side is winning.   :)


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:13:48 pm
 
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It matters not whether Jean is telling the truth, all that matters is that she has asked for help and we should do our best to help her.
Jean, I am no expert on aliens, but as I see it, they treat the earth moreorless as a giant laboratory. Their pattern, treating human beings like lab animals, seems to suggest to me that they don't realize (or don't care that we are intelligent creatures. Actual instances where human beings and aliens have communicated with one another being rare, I would suggest that that is the case.



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:14:26 pm
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After just seeing the movie "The Forgotten" I feel like I can expertly write on this subject.
Just funnin' with the expert stuff but the movie was thought provoking.
Do we care about "lab rats"? We feed them and keep them from harm as long as we need them and then what? Lab rats may think themselves inteligent and the scientists who use them may think they are also. But they think them inteligent for a rat not anywhere near our level. Why would it be hard to believe that there are beings that far eclipse our inteligence and feel they can treat us like "lab rats". All of that can be true and we don't have to be talking about aliens just bad people.
Jean , try Lucid dreaming. It probably won't help you answer any of these questions but it is a heck of alotta fun because it is the dream you control.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:14:58 pm
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Lucid Dreaming, Iwannno? What is that?
Thank you for the advice, Dawn. I actually was encouraged to join here after reading some of your posts, and Jennie's. Zodiac, in answer to your question, my body feels "used," after the dreams, without going into too much detail. I said I would answer anything, but I don't want to get to personal, if you know what I'm infering...


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Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:15:30 pm
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Jean, if you truly wanted to get help, I would suggest a trained psychiatrist. The group you have found here is ill-suited to solve your problems. For the most part, it appears to be a collection of U.F.O. enthusiasts and one sane, well-balanced man (me), none of whom are trained in the dark realms of the mind. Please, for the sake of your mental health, bite the bullet, tell your parents, and have them spring for a good therapist.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:15:59 pm
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Horrible thing to say! Aristotle, I wish you would leave the attitude at home and try and be nice to people. Jean, I get the feeling there's more you want to say, but don't want to tell it to all these guys, if you want to email me, here's my email address: stacydohm@yahoo.com
I'm from the Midwest, too, maybe we can actually hook up and meet sometime.



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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:16:46 pm
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Thanks, Stacy, maybe I will do that. I don't know what I expected exactly by coming here in the first place. I know this was probably a lot to lay on everybody.


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Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:17:34 pm
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Jean, don't let Aritoddler drive you away. Most people don't listen to any of the things he says here anyway. He's just here to spoil the party for everyone else.
I know it wasn't pleasant for you, but I dig the alien stories from you, sounds like a classic E.T. encounter. As for what to do to ward them off, my perspective on this may be a little warped, but I think (if this is an alien encounter), they are drawn to you because they embedded something within your skin, sort of like a homing beacon. Don't laugh, it has happened. Forget the therapy (for now), get an x-ray, see if there is something foriegn in you that wasn't there before. My advice, take it or leave it!


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:18:13 pm
 
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Jean, Lucid dreaming is when you are having a dream that is so real you think it is but then realizing it is a dream you take control of it and do whatever you want. The trick is to not wake up in the process. It is not magic but something you can condition yourself to do. I have done so and although it doesn't happen often enough for me it does happen. You end up waking more refreshed than you have in years. There are some postings in the OBE thread here.
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Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:19:29 pm
 
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There are some facts and speculations about history that might need to be considered (or reconsidered) In light of all the storys and reports that have come forwards in recent years about Nordic Aliens.
In 1933 a short dark hair Austrian by the name of Adolph Hitler rose to power in Germany preaching his idea of a tall blue eyed blond haired Nordic Master Race. Historians has often wondered where this
man devised his ideals that that he did not embody.

Hitler was Fascinated with the occult and it has long been speculated by ufologist that Nazi Germany was the first government to make
contact with extraterrestrials crediting his V2 rocket program with "off world" technology.

Once in power he began a systematic extermination of the Jews (known as gods chosen people) which resulted in millions of deaths.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:21:05 pm
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Hi Griffin,
Unfortunately AH's "Master Race" was from another time, never to come again. He was refering to the Aser. The part he missed was that their real world-wide "Race" perfection (breeding program) pre-dated their blondeness by about 500 million years.

People who are facinated by the occult have yet to discern their own God-self. Occult matters are trivial and damaging and just lead in blind circles.

He really did no better or worse than many Popes on the grand scale of orchestrating mass murder. Lord, what a club!!


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:21:24 pm
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It's possible that Adolph may have met some Nordic types and been "inspired," but more than likely it's as Rockessence said. I would like to stress once again, for the umpteenth time that this thread is NOT about racial superiority! It happened cause I am just interested in the Nordics, is all.
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Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:21:56 pm
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have anyone ever heard of alec newald,he claimed he was abducted by gaurds,is ordeal sound really genuine and fascinating,hhe written a book about his experience and frightening accounts face to face with guardings,he said he had even atrip to their home planet,here some of his shared experience which can't be describe by mere words it is one of the most interesting detail i have ever heard,i am not gullible but i know a GOOD ENCOUNTER when I hear one 1)Looking up, I realised we were being approached by three aliens, the tallest of them looking like my female escort from earlier on. The second one was just a little shorter and was male as far as I could tell. The third was smaller, much smaller, and walked ahead of the other two.
He, for want of a better word was slightly built with a roundish head and rather unusual, squinty eyes which were well spaced and placed rather lower down than are our own. He had a very small mouth, but I did not notice any ears or much of a nose. His physical appearance, however, was of almost no consequence, for I was immediately struck with an almost overpowering feeling of his presence. I cannot say it was hypnotic; if anything, the opposite. It was as if his energy was being projected and absorbed by my body.

There is no way I could ever adequately descibe this sensation to you, using mere words. Those who have had this experience will know just what I mean! His communication with me was also much stronger and clearer than I had experienced with any of the others.

This was still not the "alien" I had read about or seen graphically illustrated in various magazines or papers. The size was about right - four feet in height with a slight frame.

"Welcome", he said. "I am the designated Guardian of this section. Anything that you feel you might need to make your stay with us more pleasant, ask and I shall do my best to supply it. The suit you have been given will make it possible for you to understand us, and us you".

He must have read my mind as he entered the room, for I had just asked about the suits.

"We do not speak as such, as you will have noticed by now. Sometimes a verbal sound message is necessary in long distance." "I will not enquire if you wish to stay or return at this time. I would hope you may desire the chance to absorb more knowledge and understanding before you make that decision. There are things we cannot tell you at this point in time. You will understand I hope. Nevertheless, you will have the chance to acquire some considerable knowledge on a wide variety of subjects, including your own kind, before you make up your mind up on this. However, some or all of this knowledge may have to be removed from you, should you decide to leave us and return to your own planet."(2)The first most striking thing about the city was it's neatness and order; the second, it's immensity. Even from well up I could not make out the boundaries. There may well be bigger cities on Earth, but where I come from this place would be rated big, VERY big. It stretched out in both directions, following the coastline out of my line of sight. There seemed to be only a thin strip of land that was not coastline or desert, and the city was sandwiched within it.

As we dropped in altitude, the sea lost it's bluish look and turned almost black. There could not have been much wind as it looked very glasslike. I could make out a dark outline not too far off the coast which presumably was a deep drop off from the coastal shallows.

The last thing really to make an impact upon me was the lack of tall buildings, save for the odd tower or two, and the dominicance of a small circular shapes among a few larger pyramid shaped constructions.

Hardly more than a minute had passed since we had entered the atmosphere, but now the craft had already settled. There was a mixture of apprehension and excitement within me. Now that I was here - whereever "here" was, just what had happened to me really started to sink in. Would I ever see home again? Was anyone looking for me?

My panic soon eased, however and curiosity won the day. I eagerly scanned the viewer for my first close look at the alien landscape. What I could see was an area of level ground, similar to a courtyard, leading to two pryamid shaped buildings. They appeared to be made from a material that looked just like tinted glass or semi-transparent plastic. I couldn't quite see the apex of these buildings from my vantage piont, but later I was to find that they were capped with a spiral tower or antennna arrangement. The height of the tower added approximately twenty five persent to the buildings overall height. Each building in turn was topped with what I can only describe as a large light bulb. As peculiar as it may sound, I was sure I had seen something like this before, in the distant past. These bulbs glowed day and night, and upon closer inspection appeared to be of a net or mesh construction rather than being glass spheres.(3)There was a short walk to one of the large structures which I had seen from inside the craft. The air was still and amazingly quiet. Indeed, it was not until I had stepped out of the transporter that I realised there must have been some sort of background noise on board although I'd not noticed it at the time. The surface upon which I was walking was not unlike cork, it appeared to be porous and slightly yielding underfoot.(4) I was at a loss as to which way to look for awhile, such was my curiosity and awe at what was around me. Some buildings resembled those on Earth, but the outer walls were sloped back at approximately thirty-degree angles and set back some distance at each floor level, making them look more like steps up a hill. Most of the buildings were circular or tube like in shape. They were laid out in a spiral pattern with the tallest buildings in the centre, but the heights became progressively lower as the buildings spiralled out. All the buildings appeared to be made of glass or plastic.

Access to the upper levels of the home I was staying, was by way of a gentle slopping spiral ramp which skirted the curved perimeters of the walls. This ramp could also be seen from the outside of the building. My personal observation of this feature is that it could have been a form or frame or reinforcement for the dwelling.

The rooms or, rather, the various levels were lit by some form of diffused lighting, both day and night, but I could find no direct source to explain this light. As we reached the second level, their main living area, I was stunned by the beauty and layout. No matter how hard I try here, my description cannot do it justice. The colour was predominantly pearl white with perhaps a touch of silver grey within. This may have helped remove any glare, for I can assure you there was none. Reflected from even deeper within were all the colours of the rainbow, not unlike a mother of pearl seashell. The soft light I mentioned earlier appeared to radiate from everywhere. To say it was a truly amazing sight is grossly inadequate I'm not even sure if it was the colour that was the most stunning aspect of the interior, for I was equally smitten with the moulded flow of form from one section, shape or partition into the next. It was as if the whole dweling, inculding every item of furniture, had been constructed simultaneously. Again there appeared to be no joints or seams that I could distinguish. However this dwelling had been constructed, similar techniques to those used in the transporter must have been employed. The floor, a smooth, padded rubber, was soft to walk on; the colour, just one or two shades darker than the walls.

The furnture looked to be made from the now quite familiar glass or plastic substance. Although it was slightly tinted or smoky, all the colours of the rainbow seemed to be deep within it. These colours could be changed by a person's thought patterns, so if you were excited there was no way to keep it a secret as the room's colours would dance about right through the colour spectrum. When a person was in meditation, the light level would drop and only the softer tones would come through.

The central space of this room upon the second level was circular and used as a general purpose area, including for meditation. Bedrooms as such had been made totally redundant, with meditation having entirely taken the place of sleep. These meditative states would last for an hour or two each day.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:24:32 pm
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I certainly wasn’t trying to make a comment on racial superiority, nor do I know that there is a connection between AH and Nordics. I Do think that it is an interesting theory.
It seems that the general opinion is that the Nordic type is benevolent and I can’t say that I have seen much evidence to support that. It seems that there are ample abduction story that involve a mix of different Alien types to suggest that all or most are working together (at least where the earth is concerned).

rock essence said

“AH's "Master Race" was from another time, never to come again. He was refering to the Aser.”

When I search the Aser I find a very limited amount of info on them connected to Atlantis and perhaps Hitler Via the Thule Society.

Thule was a legendary island in the far north, similar to Atlantis, supposedly the center of a lost, high-level civilization. But not all secrets of that civilization had been completely wiped out. Those that remained were being guarded by ancient, highly intelligent beings http://www.crystalinks.com/thule.html

Perhaps we need to discuss the connection between the Nordic Aliens and the Aser.
http://www.misterpoll.com/1120445081.html

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:24:58 pm
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himmler was true architect behind the racial program,his keen aim was to virtually annihilate all who he see unfit to live,throughtout the ages time has shown us the nordic people are clearly the most sophisticated and well intuitive,they are technologically advanced people no doubt,for eg. the germans they are notable for their inginuity and technological inovation,i think the germans are the ancestors of atlantians sounds wierd put I think its true ,I think after the catastrophe of the destruction of atlantis,atlantians migrated to the north close to the arctic then migrated south to germania,which we now know as germany,sounds like an odd hypothesis but i think it really happen,there is an even wierder chapter lead to beginning of atlantis,it is said a giant asteroid from space hit earth bringing with it the seed of aryan stock with this great fortune,the nordic man grown to become naturally superior to the ape man of earth.I presume the nordic race have amnesia because we forget our purpose and past and most importantly atlantis,we must remember that we are the true masters' of the world.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:26:34 pm
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Parsifal,
Here is the reconstruction of the Boreas thread: http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001044.html


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:27:23 pm
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Parsifal, your observations sound a good deal like Edmund Kiss, I take it you've read him?
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:28:04 pm
 
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Here's a passage from an article dealing with German myth in relationship with Atlantis that I thought you might find interesting:
http://www.depauw.edu/sfs/backissues/3/nagl3art.htm

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Glacial Cosmogony or the Universal Ice Doctrine (Welteislehre) and the Atlantis myth had a particularly close relationship. Atlantis (or Thule) represented the Earthly Paradise and the original home of the Teutonic Aryans, while the cyclic recurrence concept of Glacial Cosmogony ensured that Atlantis would rise again. Thus the Atlantis myth and Glacial Cosmogony became the dominant themes of German SF in the 1920s and 1930s. Either the re-emergence of Atlantis caused the submergence of the countries of the Entente14 (possibly according to the principle of communicating vessels), or remains of Atlantis, which had been destroyed by cosmic events, were discovered in space, admonishing the German astronauts to reconstruct the legitimate Aryan (i.e. German) global empire, to return to racial purity, to a leadership mystique and to irrationalism called "Aryan science":
Human beings were much closer to the soil in those days. They controlled the mysterious forces of nature not by virtue of their knowledge, let alone their science, but by virtue of their very being. The more humanity learned to think rationally, the more they lost their visionary powers. They delighted in their cleverness and failed to notice the waning of their primaeval powers.15

Naturally, the various crashes of the Moon onto Earth in Glacial Cosmogony always occurred at times of racial and ethical turpitude.

The Atlantis-faith and Glacial Cosmogony also inspired the about 600 members of the "Society for Space Flight"15 who wished to escape from the German misery by means of spaceships. They wanted to discover "new worlds, as modem conquistadors";17 they planned to augment Germany's greatness by building a space-station whose "strategic value" was among other things to consist, as Willy Ley wrote, in "creating tornadoes and rainstorms, destroying marching troops and their supply-lines, and burning entire cities."18 Thanks to the active propaganda of this society, the idea of space travel grew so popular that moon-rockets became a regular item in carnival parades, and Fritz Lang was stimulated to make the film The Woman in the Moon (1928) for which he asked the Society for expert advice.

The leading Nazis had a special weakness for the Atlantis myth. The racist professor and pamphleteer Herman Wirth played a leading role in this connection, advocating in their inner councils "a tremendous turning back of culture, away from the age of reason and consciousness, toward the age of a 'sleepwalking certainty,' the age of supra-rational magic." Heinrich Himmler and Wirth founded the "Study Group for Spiritual History" "Deutsches Ahnenerbe" (German Heritage) which propagated such pseudo-sciences and which was, for example, responsible for the deep-freeze experiments (with subsequent coition, "an ancient folk-remedy"!) in the concentration camps, as well as for the collection of skeletons in Strasbourg plentifully supplied from murdered "inferior race" specimens.19 Thus they found praiseworthy the efforts of Government Building Counsellor (Regierungsbaurat) Edmund Kiss, one of the most successful exploiters of the Glacial-Cosmogony/Atlantis themes. Apart from general adventure novels, he wrote a tetralogy20 in which he presented a mythologized version of the fall of the German empire, its reconstruction, and its coming world supremacy under fascist rule.

In Kiss's first volume, The Glassy Sea, John's apocalypse, which "embodies the primaeval knowledge of the cosmos and our world,"21 is re-interpreted as a description of the global catastrophe which resulted from the fall of the "tertiary moon." Before that event there had been order in the world: slaves had been trained with the "mammoth whip" (pl2O). Now the time has come for the "blue-eyed blonds" to "keep their heads high under the bludgeonings of fate" (pl69), and to ensure "the continued existence of the human race" by seizing the available women--motto: "Make them trust you, then grab them" (p240).

In the second volume, Spring in Atlantis, the "Ases" (i.e. Aryans) have succeeded. They have multiplied rapidly in their northern kingdom, to the point where they have built the "organic community of a world-wide empire" (p11) with its centre and capital in Atlantis. "Slant-eyed brown-skins" work for the "blonds with the narrow skulls." Thanks to an effective "spiritual guidance," the Ases are revered as "white gods" (pl2, pl8). "The slave nations visit Atlantis in order to take the profound and ineradicable impression of the overwhelming and irresistible might of the Nordic will back to their distant homes" (p4l). (Hitler had the same ideas concerning the measures he would employ to inculcate a "master-consciousness" in the "non-German population of the occupied Eastem zones": "He also thought that superstition was a factor that had to be reckoned with in the business of leading men, even if one is oneself quite superior to it and laughs at it"; "the only allowed purpose of geography lessons should be to teach that the capital city of the Empire is called Berlin, and that everybody should have visited Berlin at least once in his life"; "once a year a troup of Kirghizes will be given a guided tour through the capital city in order to impress their imagination with the might and power of its stone monuments.")22 Back to Kiss: the "Racial Bureau of Asgard" (pl7) supervises the maintenance of racial purity in the master race;23 however, the leaders have to make the same concessions that the Nazis found unavoidable:

The desire of millions [is] to create a granite racial cornerstone as the foundation of the empire, not a block of absolute racial purity--the sins of our forefathers have made that impossible--but a block of precious racial assets with the wealth of the Nordic soul as its important heritage. (p278)

The hero already has the fixed "Führer stare" that Hitler is supposed to have practiced in front of his mirror, and that is strongly reminiscent of the results of a hyperactive thyroid:

But in the same moment...the golden spark shone again from the depths of the grey compelling eyes, the spark that constituted the mystery of the child-like radiant essence of this man. When this spark died, the eagle features set into an expression of iron-willed and predatory determination, and the pale-grey icy glare compelled many an enemy, not usually given to such actions, to avert his eyes. (p72)

The third volume, The Last Queen of Atlantis, shows the empire of the Ases at the height of its power. The "Nordic men" live in "isolated castles and fortified farmsteads on the border marches." Atlantis continues to provide them with "racially pure" or pedigreed women (p28)--as we can see, precisely the way of life that the Nazi elite envisioned for itself in occupied East European territories:

We watched the labourers for a while, those strong, animal-like Zipangus, whose skulls are bound in early infancy to develop backward so that they can be kept as the group designed for physical labour. (p48)

We Atlantians knew from our millenial history, so full of conquests and defeats, that only a caste of higher human beings can effectively govern the globe that is our beautiful Earth. Inferior races must be trained and shaped to fulfill the needs and purposes that promote the growth of the realm. (p49, and similarly p258)

Alas! The "hammer of fate" (p101) "strikes with mighty blows" (p118), the appearance of a new Moon (ours) dooms Atlantis, and the Ases are once more reduced to a people who must "fight for their place in the sun" (pl92).

In The Singing Swans from Thule, the surviving Atlantians fight their way (bearing with them, naturally, the blue and white swastika-banner of Atlantis) back to the country of their origin. In their "struggle for life, territory, and power" (p27) the principle of leadership is re-asserted: "Desperate situations can only be saved if one man commands and the others obey" (p65). In order that even the dimmest reader will understand the reference, the Ases find "Teutenland" inhabited by a "Nordic peasant population of...fairly good race" (p208). With the genetic help of the natives, the Ases breed--in a world full of "coloured rabble," "human animals" and "useless men" (pl83)--"a new, hard and chill nobility" (pl88). In order to achieve this, they occasionally raid neighbouring tribes for "blood stock" (pl69), to use Hitler's terminology.24 The novel culminates in the following statement:

Only a man who will protect both his aims and his freedom with a keen sword in attack and defence, can retain mastery over his life on this earth. Attack is his best policy. It is never a question of our right to do so. This is ours by virtue of our existence. It is a question of might. (p206)

The things which Kiss projected into the distant past, and which Hitler and Himmler wanted to realize in Eastern Europe, were projected into the near future by Paul Alfred Mueller (pseudonym "Lok Myler") in his pamphlet series Sun Koh, The Heir of Atlantis, and Jan Maygn.25 The heroes, charismatic leader types, have been chosen by fate--and also provided by it with the resources of a sophisticated and extremely powerful technology. It is their vocation to create new and arable territories for the German people and the White races. This they achieve by raising Atlantis out of the ocean and by making Greenland (Thule) arable. The manner in which "Sun Koh" and "Jan Mayen" treat the rest of humanity in the pursuit of their aims is distinguished from Nazi methods only insofar as the fictive inferior peoples speedily submit. Mueller was also one of the authors who propagated the "Hollow World" theory.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:28:42 pm
 
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Akelius,
I have come back to this posting three times now and just now read more of the article it is from. I thought a bit more from just before what you offered:

"Lanz derives these insights from his "theozoology" and "racial metaphysics," each of them a kind of occult science. If one subtracts the no longer fashionable overt racism, racial metaphysics could be seen as the blueprint for a considerable part of the SF produced nowadays:

Practical race-metaphysics are concerned with research into the history of the races before their earthly development cycle (pre-terrestrial) ... into the future of the races following their earthly period (post-terrestrial), and finally with research into the extra-sensory, extra-terrestrial, cosmic forces that influence racial development in the present.11

The inherent contradictions of this or similar systems will not be discussed here. An analysis of such items as the simultaneous rejection of Darwinism and the acceptance of the pseudo-Darwinist "survival of the fittest," or the arguments for a universe peopled with intelligent beings which are contradicted by the concept of a racially ethnocentric universe, would merely illustrate the irrational basis of these insane systems in detail. It seems more fruitful to point out the striking congruence of such constructs with the psychotic symptoms and fascist tendencies of the "authoritarian character" such as (1) the sado-masochistic desire for submission to an irresistible external force (variously interpreted as an "agent" of Providence, or Nature, or Fate, etc.), with the concomitant desire to make weaker people pay in compensation for it; (2) the projection of one's own destructive and primitive drives onto unpopular minorities; (3) the rejection of rational politics, indeed, of any and all intellectual enlightenment; (4) the legends of "conspiracies."12

The degree to which conspiracy fantasies were pure projections of their own secret intentions is demonstrated by the way they were first nurtured in occult-science groups of a secret society kind. These groups and their obscurantism were of considerable significance in the early development of the Nazi Party, its ideology, and its later cadre organization in "orders.13

From the confused mass of abstruse concepts that were used in SF, four vague attempts at systematization can be abstracted: "Glacial Cosmogony," the Atlantis/Thule myth, Theozoology, and the Hollow World theory. These systematizations could mingle, and lean one on the other."
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Then was the piece from your posting. After that was this:
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"This theoretical import from the USA experienced the height of its popularity in 1941-42, when the German Fleet Ministry apparently actually performed radar experiments, that would have--were the theory correct--permitted them to observe the Scapa-Flow from Reugen in the Baltic Sea. The Hollow World theory was tolerated by the Nazis27 but had only a few adherents in the party's higher echelons. Thus Mueller had to maneuver carefully when he tried to make the Hollow World theory into the official world-picture of the Nazis. In his novel, the high Nazi party functionary who has been converted to the theory has a fatal accident on his way to speak to the Fuhrer.

"Theozoology," propagated by Josef Lanz in the Ostara pamphlet series, The Library of Blonds and Males' Rights,28 was not overtly adopted in official Nazi treatises, and was only rarely exploited in SF.29 However, this theory shows the most obscure motivations of racist Manichaeism, ideas that are still widespread in SF today. Lanz cannot even lay claim to being the originator and inventor of this sexually-neurotic delusion system. A textbook case for psychoanalysis, Lanz merely reinterpreted the theosophic anthropogenesis of Blavatsky and Besant in sexual terms. In theosophy, mankind fell because the men copulated with female animals; in Lanz's system "all calamities in the history of the world ... have been caused by the liberated woman."30 According to his theory, first announced in 190531 (August Strindberg was one of the first converts):

The race of full-blooded and whole Aryan Man was not the result of natural selection alone. Instead, as the esoteric writings indicate, he was the result of a careful and conscious breeding process by higher and different kinds of being, such as the Theozoa, Elektrozoa, Angels, et sim., which once lived on this Earth.32

They were perfect electro-biotic machines, characterized by their supernatural knowledge and power. Their knowledge encompassed everything to be found in the universe and beyond, in the metaplfysical spaces of the fourth, fifth and nth dimensions: They perceived such objects by way of their electro-magneto-radiophotic eye on their forehead, the rudiment of which is the human pineal gland. They had knowledge of all things, and could read past, present and future from the ether. This is why they performed the office of oracles until well into historical times and live on, even today, in mediums. They possessed supernatural, "divine" powers, whose centre is located in the lumbar brain. (Note: see the "magic belts" that conferred inordinate power on gods and demons; the "invisibility hood" of Siegfried and Alberich.) Their bodies exude rays of fire and light, which ... materialize on the one hand and dematerialize on the other, breaking down atoms and reconstructing them, canceling out gravity.33

All harmful and useless species of plants, animals, and humans are naturally the work of the "Daemonozoa" (i.e. fallen angels). The original sin of the "Homo sapiens or, more precisely, the Homo Arioheroicus"34 was caused by the women of these blond, god-like Aryans, who--then as now--were attracted, "because of the magnitude of the member," to the male anthropo-saurians" (with their "**** bone"!) and to their descendants, the man-animal races" (Negroes, Mongolians, Jews, etc.). The women copulated with these lower beings "more sodomitico."35 Especially the facial features of the "Bolshy-Jewish blood-hounds ... remind us even today of the horrible faces of antediluvian dragon-monsters"; they are the direct "descendants of...the two-legged dinosaur-hominids" and properly still belong to "the animal kingdom"; Rosa Luxemburg, the murdered leader of the German left and Jewish by origin, was a "small, pure-breed Bezah-dwarf"--"just like those bred 2000 years ago in the temple-zoos of Palestine."36 Bolshevism, Marxism, Sovietism, Communism, Socialism, Democratism ... are offshoots ... of these primaeval, base, and inferior racial origins."37 In order to correct these racial and political conditions, the Aryans must practice scientific racial purity and breeding:

Through conscious and goal-oriented influencing of the secreting glands, we shall be able in the coming two centuries to rebuild atoms and cells of all living beings and ... finally to create a new human race, which will develop out of the Aryoheroical one.38

Any such technique, "the technology ... [And] all higher scientific wisdom ... is to remain the secret knowledge of a numerically small, pure-bred, heroic-Aryan ruling elite":39

A newly bred slave being with crude nerves and strong hands whose mental potential has been carefully limited ... will perform for us all those jobs for which we have not invented machines.... The proletariat and the under-humanity cannot be improved or saved or made happy. They are the work of the Devil and must simply be--of course humanely and without pain eliminated. In their place, we will have biological machines, whose advantage over mechanical machines will be that they repair and procreate themselve.... This 'robot' will be the key to the future since his existence will solve not only the technological but also the social and racio-economic problems--and thereby all political problems--that beset us. Total equality is nonsense!... The social question is a racial question and not an economic one.... Who can say where the equality of rights should stop? Why should it stop with the Australian aborigine? Gorillas, chimpanzees and bats have exactly the same claim to socialist "human rights."40

Lanz found himself in illustrious company with such ideas. Oswald Spengler articulated the fascist-technocratic concept of technology, science, and philosophy as instruments for domination in much the same manner--the Aryans were to again become "the learned priests of the machine"41 and cultivate the sciences as a ruling-class religion:

The group of Fuhrer-natures remains small. They constitute the pack of the true beasts of prey, the pack of the talented, which will dominate the growing herd of the others in one fashion or another.

There are ... not only two kinds of technology ... but also two kinds of human beings ... those whose nature it is to command, and those who obey, subjects and objects of any political or economic processes. The most significant symptom of the impending decline and fall is to be found in what I would like to call the betrayal of technology.... Instead of keeping scientific knowledge secret, the knowledge that represents the most sacred possession of the "White" peoples, it was boastfully revealed to all and sundry in universities, in conversations, lectures, and publications.... The irreplaceable advantages that the white peoples held have been wasted, dissipated, betrayed.42

Himmler and Hitler43 wanted to prevent the imminent break-down of "Western" civilization, in the conquered East-European territories at least, by means of precisely those methods that they imputed to the Judaeo-Bolshevists: "try to eliminate the national carriers of intelligence within a few years, in order to make the peoples ... ready for a lot of permanent slavery and oppression."44 The population of the "Eastern Territories" was, according to the ideas of Hitler and Himmler, to live in isolated village communities and develop their own "magic cults": "It would be best to teach them to understand only a sign language. Radio would provide unlimited music, which is good for such communities. They are not to learn to use their brains."45

Lanz's disciple Hitler also considered "Pure and applied science ... an almost exclusively Aryan achievement."46 Only "when knowledge re-acquires the character of secret, initiate knowledge, and ceases to be accessible to all and sundry, will it again fulfill its normal function, namely that of being the means and the power to control both human and non-human nature."47 With his undeniable instinct for what was publicly acceptable, Hitler discussed his favourite theories only among intimates. These ideas proved to be garnered almost exclusively from "popular scientific" treatises such as those of Boelsche and Lanz:

I have been reading a work on the origin of human races. I used to think a great deal about this subject in my younger days, and I must say that if one looks more closely at the traditional myths and legends ... one arrives at most peculiar conclusions. Nowhere is there a development within a species that is comparable in degree and kind to that which man must have undergone in order to cover the distance between a quasi-simian state and his present mode of being.... Myths cannot have been constructed without any foundation. Any concept must be preceded by the phenomenon from which it is derived. There is nothing to stop us, and Indeed I believe we would be right, to assume that mythological characters and situations are representations of a former reality.48

A new type of human being is beginning to manifest itself, very much in the scientific sense of a new mutation. The old, hitherto extant species of man now necessarily enters into the biological stage of degeneration.... The one will sink underneath man and the other will rise far above present day man.... Yes, man must be transcended.... The new man lives among us. He exists!... I shall tell you a secret. I have seen the new man, fearless and pitiless. And I was afraid.49

Lanz could not only claim to be one of the "grandfathers of Fascism and National Socialism,"50 he is also a legitimate ancestor of modern SF. As he himself stated in 1930, "a whole new generation of authors is already living off their exploitation of 'Ostara'-ideas."51

A science and technology functioning as a mass religion and the "transcending of man" are even now the favourite concepts of precisely those technocrats (and their literary allies) who think of themselves as particularly progressive and unprejudiced. Just as in fascism, frequently they also propagate a sane-way-of-life pseudo-philosophy, usually consisting of a Social-Darwinist barbarism as style of government and principle of social organization. As Hitler said: "Yes, we are barbarians. We actually choose to be such. It is a princely title. It is we who will renew the world, This world is dying."52 The epitome of all counter-revolutionary slogans, Lanz's "In our most distant past lies our most modern future,"53 was the sociopolitical motto of fascism. In SF--German and U.S.--this concept is still constantly utilized and reanimated (as for von Daeniken's bestselling title Memories of the Future, one could almost start a copyright-suit against him). Its traditional conjunction with racism has no doubt become less prevalent, but the programmatic combination of "sword and sorcery" as power-style and social structure with "science fiction," standing for uninhibited capitalist and technocratic industrialism, is still with us.

--Translated by Sabine Kurth, edited by DS.

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Manfred Nagl
"SF, Occult Sciences, and Nazi Myths"

Science Fiction Studies
#3 = Volume 1, No. 3 = Spring 1974

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:29:17 pm
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some of us are angels ... in transit.
and yes, i know a nordic alien. maybe two.
lucky me.
refutation means nothing. i just know. period.

have a nice evening, people. otherwise, it's just pathetic.


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I fled Him, down the nights and down the days; I fled Him, down the arches of the years; I fled Him, down the labrythine ways of my own mind ...
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I am glad you liked the article, Rockessence.
(What specifically did you like about it?)

Naturally, it was too long for me to try and print the while thing so I tried to limit it to the material about Atlantis, which I figured would be what would be of most interest to people in this forum.

I am struck by how much of it found it's way into the Ted Danson documentary, "Search for Atlantis." That dealt a great deal with the German interest in it.


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I did not so much "like" it as appreciate the view into that system of thought explained by someone who seemed to have such a wide understanding of the period.
The whole article was massive! There was plenty that I left out!

Danson is biting off a big chunk, but maybe still too small to get the real picture....


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Since you all were the ones to bring it up, I would like to ask everyone here just what type of racial type you all might envision the Atlanteans to have been. Blonde, Nordic? Maybe it's the Ted Danson special speaking to me, but that has always been how I envision them.
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Interesting that you should ask, Jennie, I see them as short, stocky swarthy types sort of along the lines of the standard African pygmies. Atlantis was said to have been near Africa, was it not?
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Today I just happened to drop in again after being not reading atlantisrising for a long time. UFOs are one of my favorite topics to read about, I am a fan of both Zecharia Sitchin and Erich Von Daniken. I believe that our ancestors which the Bible calls angels were ETs and our creators. God is an ET. Its good to see new members who have a real interests in ET research. I believe we all are of their creation and possibly others besides the Anunnakis have been here and possibly still here? My grandparents were Nordic (German) and Irish, my size is short though. Not all ET ancestors were tall.


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Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:33:07 pm
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Ari!
So funny!!! I am sure that you know that Pygmy people are not very dark, and have fine bones and a slender physique.

The "short, stocky swarthy types" you mention remind me of my foster-sister's people, from the villages of Crete, unless swarthy is too dark for olive skin. I always felt that they were half goat, from the incredible agility on rocky terrain that they would display.

Jennie,

We have been too influenced by fantastical authors regarding ALL elements of the Atlantis story. The truth will eventually be understood, I am sure. There is so much discussion here of "realities" which are based on questionable myth. The "facts" stated in treatises by those who allow themselves to be used by questionable energy possesion are taken as reality. These are not clean sources, by any stretch.

Anyone who wishes to can allow themselves to be overwhelmed by possessive energies, which will gladly spew any words which will elicit excitement in the host. Especially if the host shares the excitement with others who will then support and agree and underscore this version of "truth". How many books on Atlantis are based in this? Hmmmmm? I wonder...

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:34:11 pm
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Actually, Rockessence, I was referring to the famous African pygmie tribes, my conception of which comes from the old Tarzan movies, who also might well be the people that this thread is about, at least partly. Witness, this man could be standing between two Atlanteans:

(http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~anthro/courses/306/ituri_coolidge.JPG)

http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~anthro/courses/306/ituri_coolidge.JPG
 
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Alien Abduction or Satanic Seduction
Is there any connection between the recent alien abduction phenomenon and the historical seduction of medieval nuns by devils? Do our present day alien rapists bear any resemblance to these devilish creatures? And is Satan really an alien? It is the opinion of a vast number of parapsychologists and neurophysiologists that the answers to these questions may be found through the study of a more naturalistic phenomenon known as sleep paralysis.
Sleep paralysis is a condition that occurs in the state just before a person falls to sleep (the hypnagogic state) or just before they fully awaken from sleep (the hypnopompic state). It's cause may be analogised to a faulty switch which enables and disables the body's motor functions. Normally, when a person goes to sleep, this switch disables most of the body's motor functions so that they don't act out their dreams, and re-enables these motor functions when the person wakes up. However, if there is a delay between the person waking up and their motor function's being enabled, this can lead to the person being temporarily unable to move or speak (sleep paralysis). This experience is often associated with sensations of a sexual nature and a feeling that there is some sort of presence in the room, which often arouses fear but is also accompanied by an inability to cry out.

Sceptics of the extraterrestrial hypothesis have proposed that many alien abductions are a product of these vague sensations experienced during sleep paralysis which our brain decides need fleshing out with more detail. Certainly if a person were to awaken in a state of sleep paralysis from a nightmare involving aliens, they may very likely attribute the experience to an alien encounter. With the recent explosion of movies, documentaries, TV shows and books about such malevolent alien encounters, it is easily understandable how such a scenario may arise (I have fell victim to such nightmares myself). In fact, the symptoms of sleep paralysis are very similar to the descriptions given by many alien abductees of what they remember experiencing, which tend to involve bedroom visitations from these mysterious creatures, the abductee awakening paralysed with a sense of dread, and the vague memory of strange beings or a presence in the room.

Psychologists have suggested that these alien abductions could be a modern example of a shared cultural delusion. A person can function completely normally while holding the most irrational beliefs imaginable, provided that their irrational beliefs are culturally accepted. Since the belief in aliens does not blatantly conflict with our current cultural and scientific world view, that intergalactic space travel is considered a real possibility, and that it is highly probable that we are not the only inhabited planet in the universe, consequently extra-terrestrials have become a popular starting point to explain away any strange and vague experiences (such as sleep paralysis) which would remain otherwise unexplained to the layman. This phenomenon seems to mirror society, in that it reflects our current interest in space exploration, the recent controversy over genetic manipulation, and the fear of nuclear warfare. Even the appearance of aliens show clear cultural dependencies - in North America large-headed grey aliens predominate, while in Britain the abducting aliens are mainly tall, blond and Nordic. While the world is becoming progressively unsatisfied by the teachings of religion, and looking more toward science for answers, the extra-terrestrial hypothesis is gaining popularity, since it does not necessitate any religious connotations, and is, at least superficially, consistent with our current scientific world view.

In contrast to today’s society, medieval culture was predominated by religious beliefs. We can laugh at the idea of medieval nuns being impregnated by devils, because it does not fit in with our own cultural prejudices and delusions; however, to a medieval nun experiencing sleep paralysis, it would seem natural to explain such an unusual experience as an encounter with a devil. If a nun were to awaken paralysed after a nightmare about devils, with a sense of dread and the vague memory of a presence in the room, she may well think that she had been seduced by a devil. Her medieval priest, like an abductee’s therapist, would tend to nurture and encourage this delusional belief, rather than challenging it.

Other shared cultural delusions which parallel the alien abduction phenomenon have been cited throughout history by sceptics. For example, in ancient Greece there were women who thought they’d had sex with animals, and there were stories of gods taking on the form of swans to seduce beautiful women. However, UFO enthusiasts have proposed the counter-argument that perhaps these “delusions” are really the primitive misinterpretation of alien abductions throughout history, and thus evidence of an historical alien presence on our planet. Admittedly, a medieval nun abducted by aliens would probably interpret her abductors as devils. This historical alien presence is further evidenced by comparisons between modern UFO sightings, medieval sightings of flying dragons and ancient Egyptian sightings of “eyes in the sky”. Furthermore, aliens have been compared to elves (little green men) and fairies (perhaps explaining the origin of the tooth fairy myth). God could also have been the primitive misinterpretation of extra-terrestrials visiting Earth, whose high technology would be perceived as miracle (maybe the three wise men followed a UFO). And if God is an alien, maybe Satan is too.


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THREE ALIENS APPEAR IN ANGOL, CHILE
Three aliens, humanoid in appearance and two meters (6 feet, 6 inches tall) appeared to a group of five people in the roadside park of Las Pinas, overlooking the city of Angol, Chile, in March 2001.

The aliens, "two meters tall and with red lights on their hands, were seen March 16 by five people from Concepcion, at the Las Pinas scenic overlook," located one kilometer (0.6 miles) southeast of Angol, "a place which has become a favorite for extraterrestrial visitors."

"Witnesses to the latest sighting of three strange entities were seen by five residents of the town on Concepcion, who had come to Angol to see the sights."

"'They saw three beings standing nearly two meters tall hiding behind some vegetation. The beings appeared to talk amongst themselves, turned around and disappeared," said Ernesto Escobar, head of the field research team"

"Escobar said that the witnesses made drawings of what they had seen and that samples were taken of soil upon which the figures had allegedly been standing."

"'I cannot tell you what they were. I don't know if they were ghosts or extraterrestrials, but we're investigating and making videos,' he added."

"These events have been a source of fear and expectation in the community, causing Angol residents to remain on the lookout."

"In fact, they acknowledge that it is a well-known fact that strange events have transpired at the scenic lookout and that people were increasingly visiting the spot in the hopes of seeing something weird."

"'I've never seen anything, but everyone's going there to check it out and they are watching to see if the entities will appear. It's said that half-human creatures were seen, and that's the reason for the investigation,' said resident Luis Novoa."

"Julia Espinoza, who also lives in the region, stated, that she is aware of people who have seen strange phenomena at Las Pinas."

"'Everything happens at a gate with two decorative metal wheels and that's where the entities appear. Before this, the place was quite tranquil, but now everyone's talking about it. Even I went to the lookout after the apparitions occurred.'" (See the Chilean newspaper Diario Austral de Temuco for April 22, 2001, "Shock in Angol over UFO sightings." Muchas graciasa Scott Corrales, autor de los libros, Chupacabras and Other Mysteries y Forbidden Mexico, y tambien Rodrigo Cuadra para eso articulo de diario.)


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SPACE CREATURES BATTLING FOR PUERTO RICO

WEST SUSSEX, England (Wireless Flash) There may be an answer to recent reports of "flying saucers" engaging in aerial dogfights over Puerto Rico. A British UFO researcher claims the sightings are actually two rival alien factions waging war to see who will get control of the island. Raymond Robinson says the war involves the so-called "gray" aliens and a humanoid race called "the Nordics." According to Robinson, the war broke out because the United States government secretly traded Puerto Rico to the gray aliens more than 40 years ago in exchange for ET technology. What the government didn't know back then was that the gray aliens are planning to colonize Earth with alien hybrids. Robinson claims the US has enlisted the help of the Nordic aliens to squash the gray aliens, but so far there's no clear winner in the battle. A spokesman for the Puerto Rican Tourism Bureau says he's unaware of any extraterrestrial wars being waged on the island but he promises to look into it. Copyright © 1998 Wireless Flash News Service. All rights reserved. Thanks to Ufo Contact.

Editor's Note: There have been numerous reports of UFOs engaged in what appears to be aerial dog fights. I have no information that would substantiate the rest of the report.
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perhaps the priests put some rohypnol in the after dinner wine and indulged in an old game that their predecessors invented.
afterall, not all the priests are pedophiles ... and many are devils in disguise.
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Jennie, I am scheduled for a trip to Puerto Rico for late March. I'll have my camera ready.
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Good, we'll be expecting pictures, Iwannano!
Here is more on the Nordics in Puerto Rico, among other things:


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Inside Revelations on the UFO Cover-Up
by Richard Boylan
Extracted from Nexus Magazine, Volume 5, Number 3 (April - May 1998)

In this interview, Dr. Michael Wolf, a scientist who has worked in highly classified projects, makes startling disclosures about the United States Government's agenda on UFO's and ET's.

Dr. Michael Wolf is a 56-year-old man pincered between the horns of a quintessential dilemma. His bosses at the National Security Council (NSC) have told him that they want him, precisely as a government scientist with ABOVE TOP SECRET clearance, to generate a controlled leakage of major amounts of secret information. That information is about UFO reality and extraterrestrial contact with humans, including governmental involvement. On the other hand, they have told him not to disclose too many government secrets, nor too many details about his role inside ULTRA-classified projects. (He characterizes his current low-profile status as "sequestered".)

To complicate matters further, his bosses have "erased" almost all his records, such as the universities he attended, his degrees and his record of government service as an independent contractor to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the NSC. Such measures are common for individuals working in Unacknowledged Special Access Programs, where their bosses must maintain "plausible deniability" in case a "sensitive" worker decides to make unauthorized disclosures. Additionally, the national security oath Wolf had to sign required that he could not publish papers in scientific journals on his classified research findings.

As a result, Dr. Wolf can hardly prove he exists. But, as a very brave person, Wolf has decided nevertheless to keep on revealing secrets until his superiors tell him to stop. America and the world are indeed fortunate that he has made that decision.

Dr. Wolf decided to reveal to the world what he has learned about the visiting extraterrestrial cultures because, as he said, "we have a right to know". He is also motivated by the need to feel that he is making a contribution to humanity for his wife, son and unborn child who were assassinated in a terrorist car-sabotage "accident" meant to kill him as well. He admits that hindsight has caused him to re-evaluate the importance of keeping secret all the things he has worked on.

His efforts to persuade his bosses to let him publish and speak have met with some success. His book, The Catchers of Heaven, was approved for publishing, but only after he met their restriction that he write a foreword stating that it was "a work of fiction". The book is filled with insider disclosures and is must-reading for anyone interested in learning more about the extraterrestrial presence. Dr. Wolf is currently working on a sequel, Bright White Light Quartet, which will provide further information about his personal experience with the extraterrestrials, their communications and their missions.

I have been authorized by Michael Wolf to share publicly, in this article, the disclosures he has made since Catchers was published. This report will not duplicate my earlier article on Dr.Wolf. Also, these disclosures come from notes I scribbled furiously as I tried to keep up with Dr.Wolf's machine-gun pace of talking. Like many geniuses, he moves from topic to topic rapidly, not leaving the interviewer an opportunity to get certain details. The reader will just need to make do for now with what was captured in my notes, and forgive the sometimes missing details that occur in that kind of communication. Any mistakes are mine.

I can well understand that some of the partial disclosures here leave the reader hungering for more detail. Such is the current state of affairs at this point in the US Administration's guarded-disclosure / plausible-denial strategy, a complex dance of opposites. Yet, in unprecedented volume and depth, secrets are emerging from deep inside the most jealously guarded and denied programs the US Government runs: its UFO programs — presented here, courtesy of Dr.Wolf.

But who is this man who discloses such tightly held information? Michael Wolf's ancestors were Russian Jews who emigrated to the US and adopted the family name of Kruvant. Even as a child, Michael was no stranger-to the classified world nor to encounters with an extraterrestrial. He would accompany his father to Andrews Air Force Base while he met with the Air Research and Development Council. Indeed, Michael was not the first in his family to experience contact with what he calls "my little Grey navigator, an undisguised blessing". Michael's father had been visited by Grey ET's, too, and had spoken to Michael various times about those "Catchers of Heaven", as he called them. And Michael's future son, Daniel, would also be an experiencer of ET encounters.

By the time he was twelve, Michael was taking characteristic initiative. He founded the Flying Saucer Research Association of New Jersey. At night he tried communicating with his extraterrestrial friends, using light signals. On 24 December 1954, one such effort was observed by George Hunt Williamson (identified by Dr. Wolf as having been a CIA operative). Williamson, in his book, Road in the Sky, wrote that young Wolf, the year before his bar mitzvah, was transmitting messages to space intelligences using modulated light beams. Michael had telepathically requested that the ET's confirm receipt of his mental message by flying over his house in a certain direction. Wolf recalls: "Five minutes later, two flying saucers flew over my house, heading north, as I had requested."

The intelligence community began to keep tabs on Wolf and eventually recruited him. Wolf recounts that the government guided and paid for his impressive education because they saw he had a good relationship with the ET's and because he was the brightest student his teachers had seen.

Dr.Michael Wolf served in the Vietnam War era as an Air Force colonel, pilot and flight surgeon, and as an I-Corps intelligence officer for the CIA and NSA. He has earned an MD in neurology, a Ph.D. in theoretical physics, an Sc.D in computer science, a JD in law, an MS in electromagnetic influences on organisms and a BS in biogenetics.

Basically a Buddhist, Wolf also affirms the core truths in Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Native American spirituality and other major spiritual traditions. His personal seminal koan: "The truth is a lie which has yet to be revealed."

From 1972 to 1977 Dr. Wolf was engaged in covert governmental research into extraterrestrial technology. "I met with extraterrestrial individuals every day in my work, and shared living quarters with them" — while doing research at extremely classified underground government research laboratories. "Zetas work in underground facilities, as requested by the US Government. The ET's are not breaking the US Government - Zeta treaties, but the Government has broken treaties by mistreating ET's and trying to fire on UFO's." Yet there are some extraterrestrials being held captive. "Government scientists discovered that the ET's cannot dematerialize and escape if there is an extremely powerful electromagnetic field surrounding them." (By way of corroboration, I have heard a government contractor describe three-foot-thick walls, with many wires embedded and running through them, at Haystack Air Force Laboratory.)

Dr. Wolf commented: "Some in the government want better diplomatic relations [with the ET's], but others in the military want to shoot them down." This is ironic, Wolf said, "because SDI [Star Wars] technology was given to the government by the ET's".

Laboratories where he worked include S-4 (near the northeast corner of the Nevada Test Range) and nearby Area 51 (where he lived for a while), the Foreign Technology Division labs at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base (Dayton, Ohio), and the former Dulce Laboratory (near the New Mexico-Colorado border). Wolf says he is also aware that extraterrestrials work with government scientists at Haystack Air Force Laboratory, deep under Haystack Butte at Edwards Air Force Base, California. And when the subject was brought up of the complex at Indian Springs Auxiliary Air Field adjacent to the Nevada Test Site, Wolf quickly responded: "I can't say anything about that."

Since 1979 Dr. Wolf has served as a scientific consultant to Presidents and the National Security Council on extraterrestrial matters. He is also a member of the NSC's unacknowledged UFO information management subcommittee's (MJ-12's) panel of scientists. "The code-names I used there were 'Griffin' and 'Nu Kappa Eta'." MJ-12 made Dr. Wolf the Chairman of Alphacom Team, its premier extraterrestrial-matters group which also includes an admiral from Naval Intelligence.

Wolf observes that the generals he worked with feel impotent in the face of the overwhelming superiority of extraterrestrial technology and mental abilities. Because of those feelings of powerlessness, anathema to military officers, the generals authorized an intense and extensive disinformation campaign (the UFO cover-up) to discourage any attempts by civilians to acquire even the limited understanding of extraterrestrials which the generals had managed to gain.

A far more disturbing revelation from Dr. Wolf concerns the existence of a renegade group within the military and intelligence agencies involved in the UFO cover-up. Wolf has labeled this conspiratorial group of plotters "the Cabal". Made up of extremist, fundamentalist, xenophobic, racist and paranoiac officers, the Cabal fears and hates extraterrestrials. And, without any presidential or congressional authorization, the Cabal has commandeered Star Wars weaponry to shoot down UFO's; it has taken surviving extraterrestrials prisoner and attempted to extract information by force. A high-level military officer, who is considered a "friendly" by the Cabal but who secretly dislikes it, passes on information about Cabal planning and activities to Dr.Wolf.

The Cabal "controls" some well-known UFO investigators. Wolf says that the director of one major US civilian UFO organization "is up to his ass in the Cabal". And he adds that another ufologist in Canada "gets paid for taking swipes at various UFO researchers". That ufologist's high reputation for UFO research is undeserved because he was getting a stream of leaks and tips from a well-placed official inside the intelligence community, thus he knew precisely what UFO data to look and ask for. That ufologist now gets frequently upset because his source "inside" is no longer available, having died recently.

As a presidential consultant, Dr. Wolf has visited Mr. Clinton in his White House private chambers, and he even dropped the remark that "Mr. and Mrs. Clinton sleep in the same bed", thus scotching rumors to the contrary. When Mr. Clinton was visiting Harfford, Connecticut, for a presidential debate, the presidential candidate took a side trip to consult with Dr. Wolf. And to this day, Wolf continues to provide advice to the President by encrypted phone and National Security Council courier. Possessing some of the highest security clearances, this man is in an extremely qualified position to know what the government knows about UFO's and ET's. He says he wants to tell President Clinton everything — "but I can't; my [NSC] bosses won't let me".

Wolf says that "President Clinton does not know much about Area 51; and he does not know about S-4" — the supersecret underground installation 13 miles south of Area 51 at Papoose Lake where Dr. Wolf did some of his research. "The President has ABOVE TOP-SECRET and Need To Know clearances, but does not have the UMBRA ULTRA TOP SECRET clearance to have access to upper-level MAJIC [MJ-12] secrets and KEYSTONE [ET research] documents, Wolf adds.

Like many federal bureaucracies, MJ-12 has tripled in size, Wolf reports. "It now numbers 36 members, including [former Secretary of State] Henry Kissinger and [father of the hydrogen bomb] Edward Teller. MJ-12 meets at various confidential locations, including the Battelle Memorial Institute [at Columbus, Ohio]." As an aside, Dr. Wolf confirms that it was Dr. Edward Teller who recommended physicist Robert Lazar for his position at the secret S-4 government base south of Area 51, where Lazar helped on back-engineering the propulsion systems of extraterrestrial spacecraft.

When I asked who was MJ-1, the head of the MJ-12 subcommittee, Dr. Wolf declined to identify that person. He did say: "MJ-1 answers to no one, not even the President." When I offered the surmise that Michael Wolf himself was yet another MJ-12 member, he hurriedly pointed out that he "could not disclose such a thing". And when I proposed that a notable scientist with a government background, residing in Arizona, was yet another MJ-12 member, Wolf responded with an uncharacteristic silence, which I took to mean that he did not contradict that identification.

Michael Wolf has formed acquaintanceships with renowned top scientists working on cutting-edge science. One such scientist is Dr. Hal Puthoff, whose research includes zero-point energy which may replace petroleum to provide a clean source of the world's power. Wolf worked on remote-viewing research for the government at the same time that Puthoff was doing so at Stanford Research Institute. Darrell McMillan of the Union of Concerned Scientists is another scientist Wolf says he knows, as is Dr. Stephen Hawking, the British theoretical astrophysicist.

Dr. Wolf asked me if I had seen the recent movie, Peacemaker. When I replied that I had, he said: "The woman in that movie was based on a real person I worked with — Dr. Jessica Stern of the National Security Council."

And, of course, he has met Dr. Edward Teller. Wolf characterizes Teller as "a nuclear humbug", referring to Teller's deception of making a presentation to President Reagan about an X-ray laser Star Wars weapon being almost operational when in fact the system had never been tested. Indeed, the system was subsequently discarded as impossible by other Lawrence Livermore Laboratory scientists.

Another UPO notable with whom Wolf is familiar is Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, former head of the NSA and currently Chairman of Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC). SAIC was identified by USAF Colonel Steve Wilson as the company which makes antigravity engines for US "copycat UFO's". When I commented to Dr. Wolf that USAF Colonel Wilson had identified Inman as also in charge of Decision Science Applications, Inc. (DSAI) — made up of the heads of corporations involved in classified military weapons development based on ET technology — Wolf said: "Inman doesn't know as much as the UFO community thinks he does. He doesn't know everything that DSAI is up to."

Wolf also verif1es that the former head of the Air Force Special Forces' Project Pounce (UFO retrievals unit), Colonel Steve Wilson, and Air Force Technical Sergeant / NSA analyst Dan Sherman, assigned to an NSA unit conducting telepathic communications with the ET's, are who they say they are.

Dr. Wolf provided a revisionist history about the beginning of the modern UFO era. "The first UFO came down in 1941, into the ocean west of San Diego, and was retrieved by the Navy." The US Navy has held a leadership position in UFO matters ever since.

A more famous UFO crash followed in 1947, northwest of Roswell, New Mexico, and the craft was retrieved by the Army Air Corps, as reported by Colonel Corso in his book, The Day After Roswell.

Dr. Wolf confirms the truth of Colonel Corso's disclosures, and notes that LED's (light-emitting diodes) and superconductivity are among the technologies which came from Roswell. The US was in possession of a Grey alien, dubbed "EBE" (extraterrestrial biological entity), from 1948 until his death in 1953. Government scientists first communicated with him using pictographs. About the alien-threat tone in Corso's book, Wolf comments that "it was co-author William Birnes who did the anti-alien gloss on Corso's manuscript", and that Colonel Corso himself did not view the extraterrestrials as enemy invaders.

Within months of the Roswell UFO crash, the US Army Air Corps became the Air Force; the National Security Act was passed, partly to deal with the extraordinary secrecy the Administration felt UFO's required; and the CIA was created.

Dr. Wolf personally pioneered a mental expansion process he calls "the Gateway Treatment" which "allows utilization of a vastly increased percentage of the brain in order for humans to mentally engage the extraterrestrials in full telepathic mental exchange". The Treatment involves "a way of opening the brain up, a way to stimulate the neurons; it allows billions of synapses to form".

Another project Wolf was involved in was subatomic particle physics research. He says his discoveries were "utilized" by his Ph.D. dissertation-advising professor "to develop the neutral particle-beam weapon for the Star Wars program".

Drawing on information from his work in genetics research, Dr. Wolf reveals that the entire human genome has been mapped secretly by government scientists. (This contradicts current government press releases which describe the completion date as early in the next century.) He says he has found an extraterrestrial marker gene in some humans' genetic samples, but that other humans do not have these ET marker genes. Further, he says: "I have found non-coding [extraterrestrial] genetic sequence genes in my own genetic material, more than the 'In-Betweens' have." ("In-Betweens" is Wolf's term for humans with hybrid ET-human genetics, due to ET intervention with their parents' reproductive material before they were born.) Wolf also reveals he has been around a research project where government scientists created human-extraterrestrial hybrids, attempting to replicate ET genetic engineering.

He explains that the harvesting of tissue from so-called cattle mutilations "is to prepare organelles to adapt to human bodies, to filter out particulates that are killing us as we pollute our planet". He says, "The 'In-Betweens' [human-ET hybrids] will help us and will bring the organelles."

The ET's have other concerns, too. They discussed God and death with Wolf. And they pointed out that all worlds are connected: "One Hiroshima atomic bomb can affect millions of cultures in the galaxy." They also told him: "Thought is energy. It doesn't stop at a galactic 'barrier' — it is received on other worlds."

Because of what he has learned, Wolf now says: "We are at a crossroads. The issue is to give a viable future to our children." He also notes: "Humans are beginning to change, to evolve, and are looking for spiritual roots. There is more to God than people get in church."

A fourth ultra-secret project mentioned in Wolf's book was a Department of Defense project having to do with cloning a human being in order to create the perfect soldier who would obey orders without question. A General Bunting was in charge of that project. The clone turned out to have been born with ethical thinking and the intuitive knowledge that life is sacred. Wolf says that when the clone disobeyed a test order to kill an innocent dog, "the project officer ordered the clone 'terminated"'. It was his judgement that "the clone had a soul"; so, instead, he "blew up the building" containing the clone project and surreptitiously allowed the clone to escape.

Naturally, Wolf keeps aware of significant individuals and developments within the civilian UFO-investigation community. One such figure is former Army Command Sergeant-Major Robert Dean who was assigned to NATO Headquarters in the 1960s. There, Dean read NATO's secret Assessment of extraterrestrials. Wolf says that he has "seen that same Assessment".

Dr. Wolf reveals that "the NSA and CIA regularly provide the members of MJ-12 with tapes of major meetings of civilian UFO groups"—for example, MUFON conferences.

He also mentions that some of the notable UFO investigators who have talked with him include Robert Bletchman, James Courant, Linda Moulton Howe, William Hamilton, Michael Hesemann and Dr. Steven Greer.

Some years ago, documents were leaked purporting to constitute a presidential briefing for President Jimmy Carter on extraterrestrial matters. Dr. Wolf affirms that the information contained therein "...is substantially true, but one page was missing from the leaked set. That page describes an individual of joint ET-human heritage who emerged two thousand years ago to try to end human violence." When I proposed that the page was referring to Jesus, Wolf confirmed that identification.

Dr. Wolf describes various extraterrestrial races. "One race has orange skin, very large heads and large dark eyes with no irises or whites, and six-fingered hands. During dissection their brains have been found to have four brain lobes, different optic orbs and nerves, and a sponge-like digestive system. ET brains are more developed and connected, and have no corpus callosum." He also describes a race dubbed "the Semitics", of average height and a generally humanlike appearance except for their very large, hooked nose. "This was the race which landed at Holloman Air Force Base [New Mexico, in the 1960s] and conversed with some generals there." Wolf also describes a very human-appearing race called "the Nordics". "The Semitics and Nordics come from Altair 4 and 5 and from the Pleiades."

Dr. Wolf also notes: "The extraterrestrials eat vegetation and mushrooms and have different requirements. They absorb energy from the air and [certain] particulates. They don't absorb enough water to need to void; they process thoroughly." He says that "cattle mutilations" tissue harvesting is not related to cloning, but rather is done to acquire nutrients for the hybrid fetuses the ET's create, and he notes that embryonic fluid contains an anti-rejection factor. He is also aware that not all cattle tissue harvesting is done by extraterrestrials; some is done by Special Forces teams.

Wolf says that crop circles "were originated by extraterrestrials and then badly copied by the military using Strategic Defense Initiative weapons emitting a laser-pulsed beam". He also notes: "...with crop circles made by ET's, the plants were still alive and grew [after being bent into pictographic patterns]. With SDI weapon crop circles, the plants die. These SDI weapons are operated from a secret base in the Himalayas."

Concerning extraterrestrial contact, Dr. Wolf states that the ET race commonly referred to as the "Zeta Reticulans", or "Greys", has engaged in diplomatic negotiations with the US Government.

When I asked him which extraterrestrial races he worked with in government labs, he pointed out that the two illustrations on the front and back covers of his book, The Catchers of Heaven, are actual photographs of extraterrestrials taken by an admiral friend of his. The ET on the front cover is named "K*L*T", which Wolf phoneticises to "Kolta" for convenience, and is the Zeta Grey extraterrestrial with whom Wolf has met most frequently. The ET on the back cover is a human-appearing Pleiadean named "Anon [Prince] Sa Ra".

In the course of his close association with extraterrestrials in scientific laboratories, Dr. Wolf was given a piece of extraterrestrial metal. This metal looks like melted silicon and has peculiar energy properties. It is 99.99 per cent silicon, with 0.01 per cent non-Earth isotopes. He says that when he placed the metal in water and drank the water, it provided healthful benefits.

Wolf is convinced that it was psychotropic directed-energy devices that were used by rogue elements within the UFO cover-up organization against certain UFO researchers pushing very strongly to end the UFO cover-up. These researchers include: the Director of the Committee for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence (CSETI), Steven Greer, MD, and his principal assistant, Shari Adamiak; Congressman Steve Schiff who demanded UFO documents from the Air Force; and USAF Colonel Steve Wilson who revealed his heading Project Pounce, the UFO retrieval unit. Already, Colonel Wilson and Shari Adamiak have died of their cancers and Congressman Schiff has had to terminate his political career. And now Dr. Wolf has received a medical report which suggests a possibility that he may have cancer. It is not yet clear whether he still has access to a certain extraterrestrial honey-like substance that he took several years ago for his metastasized colon cancer, thus bringing it into remission.

Concerning the famous 1947 Roswell UFO crash, Wolf states that "it was actually two UFO's which collided in mid-air" during an intense electrical storm. "One contained Orange ET's, and the other, Greys." One craft crash-landed near Corona, northwest of Roswell; the other crashed onto the Plains of San Agustin, over a hundred miles to the west. Army intelligence units soon secured both sites and removed the craft and their mostly dead ET crews.

Another later ET-military encounter recounted by Dr. Wolf is similarly grim. "An extraterrestrial on the ground had traveled from Fort Dix, New Jersey, to nearby McGuire Air Force Base where _ he died on the tarmac."

Michael Wolf worked in several projects where he made discoveries which, in hindsight, he now regrets being involved with. He particularly had misgivings after he saw what applications these discoveries were put to. He says he now has "immense qualms about those misapplications"; he repudiates them and is repentant for them.

When Dr. Wolf was engaged in government-sponsored studies for his MD degree at McGill University, he carried out research on neurotransmitters and their role in mental functioning and control. Among the secret projects Dr. Wolf worked on was "remote viewing"—a military-intelligence term for "applied clairvoyance". He says: "Ninety-nine per cent of telepathy and remote-viewing research is classified."

Wolf says he went far beyond the crude Army Intelligence psi experiments of General Bert Stubblebine, Lt. Colonel John Alexander and Major Ed Dames: he developed memory extraction and memory "capping" (suppression) techniques. Some of his findings "were later incorporated into the infamous MK-Ultra mind-control projects of the CIA, and used on captured KGB agents" to extract information. He also worked in research on dolphins—"a highly-intelligent alien life-form on this planet".

While Dr. Wolf was studying at MIT for his Ph.D. in physics, he "discovered a new theory of wave-particle duality which led to the development of the neutral particle-beam Star Wars weapon".

Because of these classified projects, Wolf's NSC bosses forbade him to identify his dissertation-advising professor, and MIT and McGill are forbidden to acknowledge that he studied there.

Having access to NSA and CIA information, Dr. Wolf also reveals some secrets in which he was not involved. One, among the ugliest aspects of the Vietnam War, was the US's Project Arc Light—"the bombing of already-shot-down B-52s with 'Hellfire' incendiary bombs, totally incinerating any survivor crewmen, in order to destroy the secret documents carried on the B-52s". President Bill Clinton told Michael Wolf that he had learned about Project Arc Light while a student in England and that it had deepened his opposition to the Vietnam War.

Wolf also learned that the assassination of President Kennedy involved multiple parties and interests. "Many Cuban expatriates hated Kennedy for the Bay of Pigs invasion's failure. The Mafia hated JFK because of his brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy's relentless prosecutions of high-level mobsters. Hard-liners in the CIA hated Kennedy because he wanted to pull the US out of an escalating war in Vietnam and because he wanted the CIA to disclose UFO information."

Wolf discloses that famed scientist "Albert Einstein had contact with extraterrestrial intelligence", and that a more recent understanding of zero-point energy "has to do with a white hole/black hole scenario". He says the ET's told him that the void is filled with energy to be tapped. Further, he states that experiments by the US Government using exotic technology "ripped holes in time".

Wolf worked briefly on assignment to the Mossad, Israel's intelligence organization. "The Mossad has very good relationships with the extraterrestrials," he comments.

Dr. Strecker's published research report, identifying HIV / AIDS as caused by a manmade virus, is correct according to Dr. Wolf. Furthermore, the government has learned that viruses are crystalline in structure and that the correct frequency can destroy them.

Wolf reports that "President Clinton has had a briefing on the Aurora [SK-33A] space plane" which operates out of Area 51. The Aurora "runs on liquid methane and has antigravity on board"—information identical to what retired Air Force Colonel Donald Ware passed on to this writer from a three-star general. Wolf said that the Aurora goes the Stealth planes one better. "It carries an electromagnetic pulse weapons system on board which can knock out tracking radar." He also discloses: "It can go to the Moon!". And he adds a tantalizing hint that "the U.S. has 'something' on Mars" besides the Rover.

Wolf reveals that the U.S. Government is working on prototypes of extraterrestrial antigravity discs. He says that the extraterrestrials traverse the galaxy by manipulating space and time to pull their destination towards them. "Time is reduced to zero, and acceleration is increased to infinity." He also says that the military is experimenting on having pilots use their mind to guide an advanced plane. Some government scientists have found that "some UFO's are living conveyances and can divide and re-form". Those "living conveyances" are apparently also responsive to thought commands.

Wolf discloses an incident that occurred on the Caribbean island of Puerto Rico during the Bush Administration. "A UFO piloted by extraterrestrials, with F-16 fighter escort overhead, landed in a Puerto Rican city in 1990. The purpose of this exercise was to test the public reaction of a select portion of the American people." (Puerto Rico is U.S. territory.) The mayor of the city contacted President Bush, excitedly told the President that "extraterrestrials got out of the ship and walked around", and asked Bush what he should say to his citizens. Bush referred the inquiry to Dr. Wolf at MJ-12 to formulate a response for the mayor.

Concerning the U.S. Government's slow pace of disclosure about UFO reality, Wolf comments: "The government is doing a balancing act because if free [zero-point] energy and all the ET technology came out all at once it'd hurt the stockholders [in obsolescent industries]. The multinational corporations don't want to lose their power." The last time Dr. Wolf heard, the timetable from the government for frank disclosure of UFO reality is somewhere in the period of 2001 to 2005.

For all his education and unique career, Dr. Michael Wolf is a generally modest man. He lives alone in a simple urban apartment and still grieves over the tragic deaths of his wife and son Daniel, lost years ago. Facing twin terminal illnesses of spinal degeneration and a wasting disease, he is dedicated now to trying to help create a better world for the children. "The children are the future," he says, and to this end he has directed that all royalties from his books go to the Daniel Wolf Memorial Foundation For Children, Inc., a non-profit 501(c)(3) organization.

Dr. Wolf looks forward to when the secrecy about extraterrestrial contact with Earth is stripped away, so that we, our children and grandchildren can move forward to the next phase of our history, now cosmic in scale.


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The Catchers of Heaven
by Michael Wolf



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Endnotes

Wolf, Michael The Catchers of Heaven: A Trilogy, Dorrance Publishing Co., Inc., Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., 1996, ISBN 08059-3907-5. (See review in NEXUS Volume 4 Number 6)

Boylan, Richard, "Official within UFO Secrecy Management Group Reveals Insider Secrets", Contact Forum, vol.5, no.5, September October 1997

About the Author:
Richard J. Boylan, Ph.D., LLC, is a behavioral scientist, clinical hypnotherapist, consultant and researcher who recently retired from his 25-year practice as a psychotherapist and clinical psychologist. He presented papers on his research at the 1992 MIT Abduction Study Conference and at the 1995 Cosmic Cultures International Conference in Washington, DC. Dr. Boylan is the author of over 30 articles and four books, Extraterrestrial Contact and Human Responses (1992), Close Extraterrestrial Encounters (1994), Labored Journey to the Stars (1996) and Project Epiphany(1997).


Editor's Note:
Dr. Wolf does not give out his contact details, but readers may write to him through his publisher, Dorrance Publishing Company, Inc., 643 Smithfield Street, Pittsburgh, PA 15222, U.S.A.; Phone 412-288-4543, 1-800-788-7654, Fax 412-288-1786


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Big whoop, McGrath! Bet I'll pass you up in about a month!

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Wow!!!!!! 3322, I think-eth I post-eth too much!!!

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Jennie, your 200th post is not that big of a deal. Look, Volitzer and others here are into the thousands. In addition, most of your posts are about aliens and flying saucers, which are, for the most part, either hallucinations or the workings of overactive minds.

And, of course, I got here after you did and reached my 200th post first.

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Well, you're ahead of me, Jennie, so don't feel bad! Until lately, most of Aristotle's posts were pretty negative anyway, good thing he shaped up!

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Well, ex-CUSE ME, Aritoddler!
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Your threats don't bother me, McGrath.
Stacy, who's to say what is negative? Is the truth negative? Is it that so much more fanciful to believe in a world where little gray men perform abductions on a routine basis? That actually sounds more negative if you ask me.

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"I got my 200th post! I got my 200th post, and this is it! Congratulate me, everybody!!!"

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5 years of right wing hack posts. You're due some congratulations, too, Martin!  ;)

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How many means you really mean it????

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It's more positive to me, Aristotle, I'd love for all that stuff to actually be happening like people say it is, would help to dress up a drab world. I just don't want it to happen to me!  ;)
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Guess what, now I just got my 200th post, too, and this is it!!

And guess what, I made it there way faster than you did, Jennie McGrath!!! Read it and weep!  >:(

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Well, y'know, I just got passed up. I am such a slacker.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Pagan, it's not just the quantity of our posts, it's the quality. Some of your jokes are funny, others in very bad taste. At least Jennie and Stacy ocassionally contribute to the research around here.

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Don't feel too bad it'll be the only time women celebrate numbers.  ;D
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:56:29 pm
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"5 years of right wing hack posts. You're due some congratulations, too, Martin!"

LOL.

I dont really consider myself very right wing but if you say so.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:56:50 pm
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"Five years of right wing hacking sexist posts."

Me a sexist?

Not at all now go clean the kitchen and get your man a cigar. Oh I forgot you sleep around. Can you afford that many cigars?
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:57:19 pm
 
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Jennie McGrath imo if there really is this kind
of war going on in Peurto Rico maybe these aliens
are the Chupacabras. They sure do look like them
green and big eyes.


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:58:41 pm
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What do you mean "occasionally," Aritoddler, we've sure contributed a heck of a lot more research here than you ever have! Used to be you would just tell us how bad all our research was.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 09:59:41 pm
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Volitzer, I celebrate numbers all the time! The ones I celebrate the most are between six to eight inches!

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 10:00:10 pm
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"5 years of right wing hack posts. You're due some congratulations, too, Martin!"

LOL.

I dont really consider myself very right wing but if you say so.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 10:00:46 pm
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Jennie McGrath imo if there really is this kind of war going on in Peurto Rico maybe these aliens are the Chupacabras. They sure do look like them green and big eyes.
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Well, you know that actually might be a good point, Martin, maybe the grays are the chupacabras, which would make the grays all a lot more vicious little bastards than we at first assumed they are!
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 10:01:11 pm
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Me a sexist?

Not at all now go clean the kitchen and get your man a cigar. Oh I forgot you sleep around. Can you afford that many cigars?
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 10:01:37 pm
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I have debunked a lot of your research, Jennie, because a lot of it is simply pure wild speculation. Show me evidence of a genuine alien body or spacecraft and then I'll believe. In the meantime, the earthbound explanations for these types of things still seem to be the ones that make the most sense to me. The government testing experimental planes, for instance.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 10:02:00 pm
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Gee, when did you ever "debunk" anything? All I ever heard was you offering your opinion and saying, "I don't believe that," but you never offered any proof!
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 10:02:29 pm
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Well then, is this the place to celebrate? It would seem I've now reached my 200th post as well. Since Jennie and Pagan were so kind to share that moment with us, I imagined I'd like to share that as well.

I wonder how many of you will be around for post 300?

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 10:02:52 pm
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Well, hey, now I'm up to 100 at least, do I win anything? Still way behind most people here...
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 10:03:21 pm
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Why are you all so focused on this? Is this kind of like **** size?

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 10:04:30 pm
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 10:05:17 pm
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You know, I used to have a five star rating in this place, and now I'm barely up to 4, and I've been rated 24 times!!!

Man, that geeky Noble family has a lot of relatives!!!
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 27, 2008, 10:05:49 pm
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Yep, blame me! It was a proud achievement and I wanted to share it with the world! But I sure as heck didn't invite Norm to share his with us here, too!
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:28:44 pm
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"Well, you're certainly not a moderate with those types of views."

What types of views are those?
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:29:12 pm
 
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"Well, you know that actually might be a good point, Martin, maybe the grays are the chupacabras, which would make the grays all a lot more vicious little bastards than we at first assumed they are!"

I believe a lot of them are very vicious Jennie
do you ever wonder how many of the millions of people that disappear every year could have been
taken by these aliens? I do a lot of times I look at a milk carton.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:29:41 pm
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Anti-women, anti-Muslim, anti-abortion, anti-feminist, anti-Bill Clinton, did I leave anything out?

Oh, yes, anti-social skills as well.  ;)

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:30:08 pm
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"Anti-women, anti-Muslim, anti-abortion, anti-feminist, anti-Bill Clinton, did I leave anything out?"

I have nothing against women I only have a problem with murdering babies.


"Oh, yes, anti-social skills as well."

That is a new one I have been told lots of anti
things but never anti-social. I am however anti-socialist.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:30:38 pm
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Check it out, JM! Sure you'll like this!!

Alien Sex 101, The Antonio Villas Boas Account

by Nigel Watson
Source: Fortean Times

March 23, 1999

Almost from the start, sex and UFOs were inseparable bedfellows. The adventure of 23-year-old Antonio Villas Boas on 16 October 1957 in Brazil is probably the most famous case of interstellar intercourse. Antonio was ploughing a field on the family farm when the engine of his tractor cut out; at the same time, an object with purple lights descended from the sky. Humanoids in spacesuits emerged from the object and took him into their craft, subjecting him to what seemed like a medical examination. They stripped him, spread a strange liquid over him and took a sample of his blood. He was left alone in a room for what seemed a long time, until a beautiful, fair-haired woman arrived.

She was naked and Antonio was instantly attracted to her. Without speaking or kissing, they had sex, during which she growled like a dog. Despite his strange circumstances or perhaps because the alien liquid had ****-like properties Antonio was soon ready for a second helping. Interviewed later, he said: "Before leaving she turned to me, pointed to her belly, and smilingly pointed to the sky." Before letting him go, his captors gave Antonio a guided tour of the spaceship. Antonio went on to become a successful lawyer and still stood by his story over 30 years later.

Equally lurid stories of sexual liaisons with UFO occupants came from the world-famous contactees of the 1950s. Howard Menger, for one, had regular meetings with Marla, a beautiful blonde from space who claimed to be 500 years old. She projected "warmth, love and physical attraction," which he found irresistible. Menger divorced his wife to marry Marla (aka Connie Weber). From July 1952, Truman Bethurum had many meetings with Aura Rhanes, the captain of a flying saucer, whom he found to be "tops in shapeliness and beauty". Bethurum's wife wasn't so impressed with this "queen of women" and cited Rhanes in her divorce petition. From the late Forties to the early Sixties, female contactees in contrast to today's female abductees are few and far between. This is more than made up for by the astonishing story of Elizabeth Klarer, who in 1956 fell in love with Akon, a scientist who took her to his home planet, Meton. There, he seduced her, saying: "Only a few are chosen for breeding purposes from beyond this solar system to infuse new blood into our ancient race."

This smooth talk worked;

"I surrendered in ecstacy to the magic of his lovemaking," she wrote later.

Klarer said their "magnetic union" produced a perfect and highly intelligent son named Ayling.

She was sent back to South Africa alone and died in 1994; as far as we know her starman and son live on somewhere beyond Alpha Centauri. Rather ordinary tales of 'contact' are thus transformed into heroic fantasies of youthful virility. Antonio Villas Boas claimed to have done what any healthy young man would have done in the same situation; he and Elizabeth Klarer delivered the goods, helping to save an alien race from extinction. Scientific ufologists, more interested in 'hard' evidence (like radar traces, photographs and forensic samples) condemn this 'wet' material as too subjective, relegating claims of sexual assault and abduction to the fields of psychology and folklore (which they likewise distrust). The early contactee literature provides a rich variety of such stories and, whatever their validity, it is a pity they have been largely neglected or ridiculed. When ufologist John Keel visited college communities in Northeast America during the mid-1960s, several young women told him they had been raped by aliens, and young men confessed that aliens had extracted their semen.

By the 1970s, the idea of hybrid 'space babies' was more widely known but taken seriously only by UFO cultists who, said Keel, feared, that "the flying saucer fiends are engaged in a massive biological experiment creating a hybrid race which will eventually take over the Earth."

A decade later, these notions were part of mainstream ufology. Serious researchers some of them academics, like John E. Mack and David Jacobs openly declared their belief that the 'Greys' were taking sperm and ova from human abductees. It was common to hear female abductees tell of being impregnated, of the ftus taken from their wombs, and of later being shown their hybrid babies in a nursery on a flying saucer. Historically, pregnancy and abortion have been surrounded by a constellation of myths and old wives' tales and it is, perhaps, no surprise to find UFO mythology being used to explain unexpected pregnancies, 'mysterious' discharges and missing or malformed babies. In the 1970s, a 19-year-old Californian girl attributed the birth of a blue-skinned, web-footed baby to being gang raped by six blue-skinned web-footed humanoids who attacked her after she watched their spaceship land on a beach. Similar stories of lusty mermen (the ocean has some affinity with space) can be found in folklore and are usually given as explanation for the birth of deformed babies with reptilian or fish-like characteristics. Some researchers are aware of intriguing similarities between the lore of witches and fairies and modern abduction reports, and nocturnal sexual encounters with supernatural beings of all types can be found in most cultures to the present day. In the past, hundreds of men and women confessed (not always under torture) to sexual intercourse with demons.

Some shapeshifting demons were said to lie with a man (as a succubus) to obtain sperm and then (as an incubus) impregnate a woman with it.

Ufologists, in particular, have been aware of the structural similarities between accounts of fairy and alien encounters. A recent study by James Pontolillo compared 1517th century accounts of sexual relations with demons to 20th century encounters with aliens and concluded that both traditions expressed a fundamental fear of female sexuality but today the male body and mind are just as likely to be under attack. Communion author Whitley Strieber famously described being sodomised by a narrow, 1ft (0.3m)-long alien probe.

He felt that, while inside him, it seemed alive and was surprised, on its removal, to find it was a mechanical device. In my own research I have interviewed 'Martin Bolton' who had visions of, and telepathic communications with, three young space women. On behalf of these entities, he window-shopped for female attire and watched **** films. They were the 'goodies'; the 'baddies' beamed pain to his brain and for a three-year period stretched his **** during the night. On several occasions they afflicted him with phantom pregnancies. Ridley Scott's movie Alien (1979) dramatised the nature of the alien sexual assaults; the proof of their inhumanity is that they don't always differentiate between the sexes or even between species.

Historian David Jacobs who offers accounts, in his book, of abductees compelled to have sex with fellow victims while aliens watched speaks for many who believe that the apparently spontaneous experience of abduction by so many different people implies the phenomenon really exists as an objective threat. Yet Rogerson has demonstrated that most of the elements of the abduction narrative appeared together as early as 1967 in "The Terror Above Us" by Malcolm Kent. This science fiction novel anticipated such ufological themes as the 'Oz factor' (the sensation of being transported to a different reality), the supernatural cold, the doorway amnesia (the informant cannot remember what went on inside a room after entering), the alien in disguise, and impersonal scientists experimenting on humans. For good measure, the story also includes a male protagonist having his genitals examined before sex with an alien female.

Another critic of the hybrid-breeding idea is British ufologist Peter Brookesmith, who compared the described activities of the alien 'doctors' with the procedures used by terrestrial fertility specialists. He found that the alien inseminators singularly fail to take their subjects at the premium time for egg removal, namely within 48 hours of ovulation. And the aliens are just as likely to be confused by 'missing' fetuses as are humans, given the general difficulty of diagnosing pregnancy within the first eight weeks. For all their cosmic superiority, the alien inseminators can make pretty elementary, and farcical, errors. Aliens inserted a long needle into Betty Andreasson's navel. They said their purpose had to do with creation and were puzzled to find 'something' missing. Andreasson had to explain to them that she'd had a hysterectomy. Whatever the genesis of such reports, we have to consider that folk have reported sexual contact with all manner of supernatural beings throughout history. Either the aliens have been conducting their beastly experiments for millennia, or such stories meet some deep-seated socio-psychological need. Until any solid medical evidence is provided, the latter hypothesis seems the more likely.

This article by NIGEL WATSON can be found in Fortean Times 121. It is printed with a fully anotated reference guide. http://www.forteantimes.com/artic/121/artic/thisiss.htm


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:31:22 pm
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Gee, congrats to you, Carolyn on getting post #200, and thank you very much for the alien sex story. We can never get enough alien sex around here, of course, that's a given!

I think we'd all agree that we'd rather do it with a Nordic than a gray, though, not to sound prejudicial!   ;)
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:31:49 pm
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This is my 200th post. Nothing profound to say, just wanted to share the fact that I'm now in the 200 club...
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:32:11 pm
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Congrats Jen...
and welcome to the club

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:32:33 pm
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Yep, a big congrats to you! They say we shouldn't celebrate, I say we do, it is an achievement! I'm working on post number 300 myself, and hope to stay here till I get a minumum 1000 like Unknown and some of the others have!!
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:32:58 pm
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I would also like to add that I think it was a bigger achivement for you, O'Dell, cause you're far more shy than I am! Have to speak your mind around here.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:33:21 pm
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Well, big whoop, Missy, 200 posts! I seem to have 200, too, but no one told me we were competing with each other so I didn't feel the urge to share!!
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:33:47 pm
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If it is a competion I'm way ahead

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:34:10 pm
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WAYYYYY ahead.

And I'm not shy, I just prefer to wait until I have something profound to say.

Well, maybe I was a little shy at first..
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:34:36 pm
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I would still be at waiting for post no.1 if I waited till I had something profound to say

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:35:04 pm
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:35:26 pm
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Kidding about being profound. Jennie M is wayyy more outgoing than I am.

Well, actually, I've been here since November, but could never figure out what to say till recently, so I just decided to jump right in there...
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:35:49 pm
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Not kidding abit

I don't know when I started posting, less than a year though.

I am familiar with all the names of the top posters except Peter V.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:36:10 pm
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Too bad there's not some way where we can see where we rank among everybody. I don't know who Peter V is, but I have heard the name around here a lot...
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:36:27 pm
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You know Jenny I get pretty fed up around here sometimes, and if it were'nt for Pagan asking me to come back I probably would'nt have come back.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:36:57 pm
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:37:16 pm
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:37:39 pm
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Jen the whole scene sometimes, when people try to talk others just insult them and for me it is rare that I hear something I haven't heard before. For me what is most significant that can be shared here is personal experiences, because if you want to research a topic you can do that without a forum.

Anyway I don't really learn that much here and it takes time away from things I feel I should be doing.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:38:05 pm
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I know what you mean about the insults. One time Norman told me that I don't contribute anything of value here at all, that was pretty bad.

On the other hand, I still come beccause I like the people, Jennie and Stacy and Pagan and Dawn (though she hasn't been around much lately). I think if you just stick in this side of the forum, you'll be okay.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:38:25 pm
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Also, about the research! I'm always learning new things each time we open a new topic here. I would never have thought to look up all that stuff on mermaids if I hadn't decided to start a topic on it. The whole thing is sort of like a small university.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:38:59 pm
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Jennifer don't pay any attention to that brain dead blow hard. All he does is go around insulting people.
You contribute plenty, and I have a sneaky suspicion that you know alot more than you let on.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:39:28 pm
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Thats great
I am so glad you are experiencing the joy of learning here.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:39:50 pm
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Thanks, but there are a lot of other people better at researching this stuff here or making arguments than me. I think I'm getting better, though.

Well, to me learning is what it is all about. I had one perception of the world before I came here, and now there's just a little more magic in it.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:40:16 pm
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"There is more in heaven and earth than is dreamt of in you philosphy, Hortatio"
Hamlet, Prince of Denmark
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:40:48 pm
 
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Wow, maybe I'm getting a little too hung up on nummbers, but do you know that was just the 10,000th post to the Ancient Mysteries forum?

I remember when we were in the hundreds! How fitting! A big congrats to you, too, Unknown! It was definitely a fitting one, too!
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:41:10 pm
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Cool
we are making history here tonight
ha cha cha

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:41:38 pm
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"Wow, we owe Pagan a debt of gratitude!
Well, you know, Uknown, we're your pals, too!"

thanks you don't know how much that means to this lonely old country boy

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:42:02 pm
 
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We are making history! We've become the second most popular forum here after Atlantis!

You do have a lot of pals here.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:42:32 pm
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Just checked and I guess we're 4,000 posts behind Atlantis. Then, I guess it should be the most popular forum here since the site is named after it....
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:42:55 pm
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Alright
Ancient Mysteries Rule

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:43:20 pm
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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And then, we'll send zombies, chupacabras and Nordic aliens out to control everything.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:44:16 pm
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Spreading their own brand of pagan, sun-worshipping, Christian-hurting cheer towards everyone.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:45:06 pm
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on January 31, 2008, 10:45:52 pm
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You're darn tootin' I'm the one who asked Unknown to come back here!

And leave your lusty little mitts off him, McGrath & O'Dell, he's ALL MINE!!!

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 09:48:29 pm
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Pagan, last night, this forum hit 10,000 posts, and you missed it! Also, I'm ahead of you in posts once again.

Just thought you would like to know.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 09:48:54 pm
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Not for long! I intend to do a lot of talking tonight!

Wow, 10,000!

Mine are by far and away the best of everybody's though!

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 09:49:17 pm
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You know, I would like to remind everyone once again, that it is not about the quantity of posts, but the quality of posts. You might do well to keep that in mind yourself, Pagan.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 09:49:50 pm
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You'd better hope it would be about quantity, if it was, you'd be way behind me, Aritoddler!
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Well, I hate to tell you, but mine are funnier than yours, too, Ari! You need to lighten up some, bud!

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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You're just a naturally funny person, Pagan!   :) :) :) 
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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And guess what..?
This is my 300th post!!!
Got there first, ha!!

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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And I DO have a life, I'm just awfully competitive, too..!   ;)
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Big whoop!
You haven't gotten laid anywhere NEAR as much as I have.

I guess some people have to take their satisfaction from whatever small, petty little thing they can find.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 09:52:56 pm
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Well, I'm happy for you for beating Pagan there first, Jennie. Course I can't say they're all QUALITY POSTS...
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 09:53:57 pm
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Note to Jennie McGrath: you have been weighed, measured and found WANTING!!!

-A Knight's Tale

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 09:54:20 pm
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The Green Knight wants a replay

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 09:54:45 pm
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Gawain says he should have got the holy grail

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 09:55:13 pm
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Better late than never! Here is my 200th post here, and, UNLIKE Jennie, Pagan Jennifer and all the rest, I will keep MINE ON TOPIC!


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THE NORDICS

The Nordics are an extraterrestrial species which has been reported to be observing the activities here on Earth. Individuals who have allegedly come in contact with the Nordics say that they are here to observe our culture and not interfere in our evolution.

Some individuals have suggested that because of the Nordic's similar physical appearance to humans that they could possibly be our long lost relatives who have since moved on to another planet. Other individuals suggest that the Nordics are in conflict with they Greys because they object to the Greys interfering with human evolution. Other than these few theories, not a lot is known about the Nordics.


Description
Extra-terrestrial
Species: Nordics
Aliases: Swedes
Height: 5 - 6.5 feet
Weight: 120 - 240 pounds (estimated)
Eyes: Human
Hair: Blonde
Skin: Pale white
Sex: Male and Female
Communication: Telepathic
Location of Origin
Pleides
Distinguishing Characteristics
Share common physical features with human beings (especially Scandinavians)
Are taller than the average human
Have more of a muscular build than the average human
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 09:55:38 pm
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Congrats to you, Stacy, course, you might notice I'm getting close to 300...
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 09:56:01 pm
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Only nineteen to go Jennifer,

Gee is this the Nordic Alien's thread I must be lost.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 09:56:27 pm
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Got there, buddy, and this is it, wherever you are right now, Unknown...
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 09:57:01 pm
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And this is post number 300 for this thread. Whoops! Better make it something about aliens again for a change.

Possible Signs That You Have Been Abducted

Feeling you are Special or Chosen or have an important task to perform
Have a memory of having a special place with spiritual significance, when you were a youngster
Fear or anxiety over the subject of aliens or UFOs
Sensitivity to issues affecting the Earth, its environment and all life forms than other people
Fear of being kidnapped or abnormal constantly monitoring of your surroundings

Insomnia or sleep disorders which are puzzling to you
Must sleep against the wall or must sleep with your bed against a wall
Paralyzed in bed with a being in your room
Dreams of flying or being outside your body
Dreams of passing through a closed window or solid wall
Dreams about seeing UFOs, being inside UFOs, or interacting with UFO occupants
Dreams of doctors or medical procedures
Dreams of destruction or catastrophe
Dreams wherein superior beings, angels, or aliens are educating you about mankind, the universe, global changes or future events
A waking memory of being inside a UFO or interacting with its occupants
Feeling of being watched much of the time, especially at night
Seeing unexplained balls of lights or beings when in bed
Beams of light outside your home, or come into your room through a window
Hearing unexplained physical noises
Unexplained nosebleeds especially when you wake-up
Awakened to discover unexplainable marks or bruises on your body
Awoken with soreness in your genitals which can not be explained

X-rays or other procedures reveal unexplainable foreign objects lodged in your body
Sinus trouble or migraine headaches
Frequent or sporadic ringing in your ears, especially in one ear
Unusual scars or marks with no possible explanation on how you received them -small scoop indentation, straight line scar, triangular marks, scars in roof of mouth, in nose, behind or in ears
Unusual fear of doctors or tend to avoid medical treatment

Missing or lost time
Compelled to drive or walk to an out of the way or unknown area
A strange fog or haze that should not be there
Strange humming or pulsing sounds, and you could not identify the source
Seeing one or more UFO's up close within short walking or driving distance
One or more sighting experiences
A strong "marker memory" that will not go away (i.e.: an alien face, an examination, a needle, a table, a strange skinny baby
DNA genetic encodings activated - increased psychic abilities
Channeled telepathic messages from extraterrestrials
Recall your children or parents speaking of similar experiences on occasion


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Karla Turner's 10 Facts in Respect to Alien Abductions
1. We don't know with any certainty exactly what these entities may be; they may be extraterrestrial, inter-dimensional, earthly or some combination of the above.

2. At least some of the aliens lie. [Predictions, warnings, promises, and contradictions.]

3. During encounters, the human's perceptions are controlled as are the conscious memories of the encounters.

4. False memories can overlay and disguise the actual events of an encounter.

5. Abductees report alien controlled information to the research community. While reporting their experiences honestly and sincerely, abductees are really reporting alien-controlled data.

6. There is a serious element of human involvement in the abduction phenomenon, in addition to the very real alien participation. Many abductees are monitored and harassed by human agents of some sort and the cases involving phone and mail interference, helicopter surveillance are only part of the story.

7. The abduction agenda involves quite physical aims and procedures that belie the idea of a primary spiritual motivation on the aliens part, as well as refuting the notion that all they're doing in their agenda is crossbreeding. There are physical procedures and aims that have nothing to do with reproduction. These include: various types of implants in parts of the body; insertion of wires and tubes into the chest, kidneys wrist and knees; brain operations, deliberate pain experiments ; abductees immersed in water, forced ingestion eating or drinking of unknown fluids, cloning of humans et.al.

8. The agenda involves long-term mental and psychological programming of the abductee, it targets among other concepts: our social and personal relationships, our sexuality, our political ideas, and our religious and spiritual concerns. These are targets of programming that begin in almost every instance, with the abductee in early childhood.

9. Aliens through technology create virtual reality scenarios that are absolutely real to the perceptions of the targeted person. All five senses are involved.

10. The aliens show an extraordinary interest in human souls and in using those souls.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 09:57:33 pm
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"False memories". Very funny - since such a thing simply dont exist - anymore than the "cores of a black hole" or "Footprints in The Ocean". But it is always posible to construct the term, by adding words like False+Memories together.

I am a bit puzzled that people still adjust their mindset to such contradictions in terms. Ìt reminds one of the slogan for Pope Alexander of the 14th century; "The world wants to be deceived. Ergo deceive!"
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 09:57:58 pm
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Has anyone seen the Steven Spielberg's mini series called "Taken" I have watched all the series and they were all very good. All about alien abductions and the ending is great. Makes you wonder what became of that "little girl" that went off with her alien father to a Planet? Maybe he will make a conclusion? I also enjoyed the movie "Starman".

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 09:58:20 pm
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Boreas,

I think the term first arose when those interviewing adults who were possibly abused as children placed suggestions which developed into "false memories".

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 09:58:48 pm
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Tx.

That should be called "fake memory" - or outrigth "deception"/"self-deception".

But - off course, to "spear the children" we emalgate the term to sound better. Making the entire thing even more sub-counscious - or theoretical.

Thats why a lot of outdated psychologers and psychiatrists sounds like scientologians these days. As do a number of what Brig call "pompous axxes" - as he refer to the hipocritical parts of our Historic Institutes.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Starlight, I saw "Taken," that little girl in there, Dakota Fanning, is a really good actress. I didn't even realize she was the narrator of the whole thing until halfway through.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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I saw Taken, too, very good show.

A big congrats to you, Jennifer for getting to 300, and also for getting us back on topic here!

Finally!
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 10:00:16 pm
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Wow, you have more posts than either me of Pagan now, you must have really been busy here.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Yep, I'm just a really chatty person here lately...
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Jennifer O, what are you doing passing ME up?

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 10:02:04 pm
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Alien Sex 101, The Antonio Villas Boas Account

by Nigel Watson
Source: Fortean Times

March 23, 1999

Almost from the start, sex and UFOs were inseparable bedfellows. The adventure of 23-year-old Antonio Villas Boas on 16 October 1957 in Brazil is probably the most famous case of interstellar intercourse. Antonio was ploughing a field on the family farm when the engine of his tractor cut out; at the same time, an object with purple lights descended from the sky. Humanoids in spacesuits emerged from the object and took him into their craft, subjecting him to what seemed like a medical examination. They stripped him, spread a strange liquid over him and took a sample of his blood. He was left alone in a room for what seemed a long time, until a beautiful, fair-haired woman arrived.

She was naked and Antonio was instantly attracted to her. Without speaking or kissing, they had sex, during which she growled like a dog. Despite his strange circumstances or perhaps because the alien liquid had ****-like properties Antonio was soon ready for a second helping. Interviewed later, he said: "Before leaving she turned to me, pointed to her belly, and smilingly pointed to the sky." Before letting him go, his captors gave Antonio a guided tour of the spaceship. Antonio went on to become a successful lawyer and still stood by his story over 30 years later.

Equally lurid stories of sexual liaisons with UFO occupants came from the world-famous contactees of the 1950s. Howard Menger, for one, had regular meetings with Marla, a beautiful blonde from space who claimed to be 500 years old. She projected "warmth, love and physical attraction," which he found irresistible. Menger divorced his wife to marry Marla (aka Connie Weber). From July 1952, Truman Bethurum had many meetings with Aura Rhanes, the captain of a flying saucer, whom he found to be "tops in shapeliness and beauty". Bethurum's wife wasn't so impressed with this "queen of women" and cited Rhanes in her divorce petition. From the late Forties to the early Sixties, female contactees in contrast to today's female abductees are few and far between. This is more than made up for by the astonishing story of Elizabeth Klarer, who in 1956 fell in love with Akon, a scientist who took her to his home planet, Meton. There, he seduced her, saying: "Only a few are chosen for breeding purposes from beyond this solar system to infuse new blood into our ancient race."

This smooth talk worked;

"I surrendered in ecstacy to the magic of his lovemaking," she wrote later.

Klarer said their "magnetic union" produced a perfect and highly intelligent son named Ayling.

She was sent back to South Africa alone and died in 1994; as far as we know her starman and son live on somewhere beyond Alpha Centauri. Rather ordinary tales of 'contact' are thus transformed into heroic fantasies of youthful virility. Antonio Villas Boas claimed to have done what any healthy young man would have done in the same situation; he and Elizabeth Klarer delivered the goods, helping to save an alien race from extinction. Scientific ufologists, more interested in 'hard' evidence (like radar traces, photographs and forensic samples) condemn this 'wet' material as too subjective, relegating claims of sexual assault and abduction to the fields of psychology and folklore (which they likewise distrust). The early contactee literature provides a rich variety of such stories and, whatever their validity, it is a pity they have been largely neglected or ridiculed. When ufologist John Keel visited college communities in Northeast America during the mid-1960s, several young women told him they had been raped by aliens, and young men confessed that aliens had extracted their semen.

By the 1970s, the idea of hybrid 'space babies' was more widely known but taken seriously only by UFO cultists who, said Keel, feared, that "the flying saucer fiends are engaged in a massive biological experiment creating a hybrid race which will eventually take over the Earth."

A decade later, these notions were part of mainstream ufology. Serious researchers some of them academics, like John E. Mack and David Jacobs openly declared their belief that the 'Greys' were taking sperm and ova from human abductees. It was common to hear female abductees tell of being impregnated, of the ftus taken from their wombs, and of later being shown their hybrid babies in a nursery on a flying saucer. Historically, pregnancy and abortion have been surrounded by a constellation of myths and old wives' tales and it is, perhaps, no surprise to find UFO mythology being used to explain unexpected pregnancies, 'mysterious' discharges and missing or malformed babies. In the 1970s, a 19-year-old Californian girl attributed the birth of a blue-skinned, web-footed baby to being gang raped by six blue-skinned web-footed humanoids who attacked her after she watched their spaceship land on a beach. Similar stories of lusty mermen (the ocean has some affinity with space) can be found in folklore and are usually given as explanation for the birth of deformed babies with reptilian or fish-like characteristics. Some researchers are aware of intriguing similarities between the lore of witches and fairies and modern abduction reports, and nocturnal sexual encounters with supernatural beings of all types can be found in most cultures to the present day. In the past, hundreds of men and women confessed (not always under torture) to sexual intercourse with demons.

Some shapeshifting demons were said to lie with a man (as a succubus) to obtain sperm and then (as an incubus) impregnate a woman with it.

Ufologists, in particular, have been aware of the structural similarities between accounts of fairy and alien encounters. A recent study by James Pontolillo compared 1517th century accounts of sexual relations with demons to 20th century encounters with aliens and concluded that both traditions expressed a fundamental fear of female sexuality but today the male body and mind are just as likely to be under attack. Communion author Whitley Strieber famously described being sodomised by a narrow, 1ft (0.3m)-long alien probe.

He felt that, while inside him, it seemed alive and was surprised, on its removal, to find it was a mechanical device. In my own research I have interviewed 'Martin Bolton' who had visions of, and telepathic communications with, three young space women. On behalf of these entities, he window-shopped for female attire and watched **** films. They were the 'goodies'; the 'baddies' beamed pain to his brain and for a three-year period stretched his **** during the night. On several occasions they afflicted him with phantom pregnancies. Ridley Scott's movie Alien (1979) dramatised the nature of the alien sexual assaults; the proof of their inhumanity is that they don't always differentiate between the sexes or even between species.

Historian David Jacobs who offers accounts, in his book, of abductees compelled to have sex with fellow victims while aliens watched speaks for many who believe that the apparently spontaneous experience of abduction by so many different people implies the phenomenon really exists as an objective threat. Yet Rogerson has demonstrated that most of the elements of the abduction narrative appeared together as early as 1967 in "The Terror Above Us" by Malcolm Kent. This science fiction novel anticipated such ufological themes as the 'Oz factor' (the sensation of being transported to a different reality), the supernatural cold, the doorway amnesia (the informant cannot remember what went on inside a room after entering), the alien in disguise, and impersonal scientists experimenting on humans. For good measure, the story also includes a male protagonist having his genitals examined before sex with an alien female.

Another critic of the hybrid-breeding idea is British ufologist Peter Brookesmith, who compared the described activities of the alien 'doctors' with the procedures used by terrestrial fertility specialists. He found that the alien inseminators singularly fail to take their subjects at the premium time for egg removal, namely within 48 hours of ovulation. And the aliens are just as likely to be confused by 'missing' fetuses as are humans, given the general difficulty of diagnosing pregnancy within the first eight weeks. For all their cosmic superiority, the alien inseminators can make pretty elementary, and farcical, errors. Aliens inserted a long needle into Betty Andreasson's navel. They said their purpose had to do with creation and were puzzled to find 'something' missing. Andreasson had to explain to them that she'd had a hysterectomy. Whatever the genesis of such reports, we have to consider that folk have reported sexual contact with all manner of supernatural beings throughout history. Either the aliens have been conducting their beastly experiments for millennia, or such stories meet some deep-seated socio-psychological need. Until any solid medical evidence is provided, the latter hypothesis seems the more likely.

This article by NIGEL WATSON can be found in Fortean Times 121. It is printed with a fully anotated reference guide. http://www.forteantimes.com/artic/121/artic/thisiss.htm


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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 10:02:31 pm
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Alien sex


Three questions to ask an alien before having sex:

(1) Are you carrying any diseases which might be communicable to humans?

(2) Have you had sex with any high-risk partners in the past six months?

(3) Which one is your mouth?

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 10:03:00 pm
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the greys are a menace to the human
race,the are cyberetic beings
that obey only there creators
the reptilians,greys have tendecy
to lie,if you belive that the
greys say you are on the path
of desctruction
greys cannot be trusted
never

i seen there real nature of there being
predatory typ of aliens
if nordics warn us of them
then we shult listen
what the have to say.
the truth is more horible
that any think you now.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 10:03:28 pm
 
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Someone has been reading entirely too much Robert Baird lately... Actually, just reading the name "R.B.B." is too much, but hey - who's counting...

Considering the reality that the presence of "E.T." has ZERO EVIDENCE, the idea that anyone can give specific information of particular versions/species make me laugh.

I have an idea - instead of focusing on the risks invovled with each species, maybe we could focus on actually finding them (one would be nice). And then after lunch, we could discuss their STD status. 
 


Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 10:04:07 pm
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Nice post, Akata!

Merlin, vast as the universe is, I would think it incredible if we were actually alone in it. You know physics, don't you? Don't you believe that interplanetary travel is possible..? I sure do! For all we know, an alien race has mastered not only quantom teleportation, but wormhole technology and time travel! They are light years ahead of us, in fact, maybe STDs even originated from alien abductions for all we know!

As for the government capturing one, well, maybe they already have! I doubt they'd come right out and tell us about it.

Oh, and the grays are not to be trusted!
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 10:05:36 pm
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Merlin, I must protest that you would so unceremoniously dismiss all UFO type encounters. Millions the world over have seen them. In fact, the Greys are even mentioned in the Nag Hammadi texts, and are called by the name "archaons". The texts are explicit, and as Akata suggests, even the ancients had a very sincere mistrust of them.
Every day people witness UFOs and there is plenty of evidence that it has been so since times immemorial. You might as well be calling all the cops, airline pilots and even astronauts who have been reporting them, "fruitcakes." Give people a break. Learn something. http://ufocenter.com/

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 10:05:58 pm
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I totally believe in U.F.O's, too, and have been interested in them since I saw "Independence Day" way back when.

Hey, this is my 400th post, they may not all be great ones, but I'm getting up there...
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 10:07:19 pm
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Well, congrats (once again)! You'll notice, though, that several people on this very page have many, many more posts than any of us, though! I have to get back to this topic someday when I'm not feeling so hungover.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 10:07:58 pm
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Hey, this is my 400th post, they may not all be great ones, but I'm getting up there...
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Jennifer, you need to pace yourself. At the rate you're going, you'll run all out of wit by post number 500!

So stop talking, blabbermouth!

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 10:08:39 pm
 
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 10:10:11 pm
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Anyone know what the Nordics' purpose here is??? I mean the exo-humans in our system are trying to give Earth zero point technology so we stop engaging in moronic oil wars.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 10:10:51 pm
 
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From what I have heard, the Nordics are basically peaceful, however, they are supposedly also working with the governmment so that might not exactly mean that they have clean hands.  :(

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 01, 2008, 10:11:38 pm
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I know that a lot of the earlier abduction witnesses often reported seeing the Nordic types and seemed to feel like they were primarily running the Grays.

Having never met an alien, I would not know, but the Nordic alien reputation within UFO research circles was fairly suspicious. Maybe there are good guys and bad guys in that bunch, just like in humans.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 02, 2008, 11:52:14 pm
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Anybody here watch the show "Proof Positive", it deals with the paranormal and uses scientific investigation criteria to evalute their subjects.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 02, 2008, 11:52:42 pm
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Think I saw an episode of that the other day. Had some guy who claims he is a reincarnated artist. Hooked him up to lie detectors and such. one test showed deception the other truth. Who knows.
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Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 02, 2008, 11:53:08 pm
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I like it because mainstream science rarely applies its own methods of investigation to the paranormal, refusing even to investigate in most cases.

I saw one episode that had the story of a ghost lighthouse, they discovered that a light was reflecting in the lighthouse causing it to seem like it was lighting up by itself.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 02, 2008, 11:53:29 pm
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Yeah, I saw that one, they couldn't prove any paranormal activity but they couldn't explain it either.

Have you ever seen the show, I think it's called "Ghost Hunters". They check out supposed hautings with the intent of debunking the phenomenon. It's not a bad one either.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 02, 2008, 11:53:52 pm
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Yah I watch it quite often, I like the sci-fi channel. Sometimes they say the sites are haunted, but not very often.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 02, 2008, 11:54:11 pm
 
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I've seen that show, too, doesn't look like it gets very creepy. On the episode I saw, they were complaining that one of the guys was always on his cell phone talking to his girlfriend. Still, I suppose that there are worse jobs.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 02, 2008, 11:54:33 pm
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one episode one of the crew was physically attacked by ghost(or whatever it was.)
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 02, 2008, 11:54:56 pm
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Jenny, Cal and Jennifer -

It saddens me that you incorrectly read so much into my limited comments. At no point did I dismiss the potential that ET exists. My whole point was simply that, since we have no credible evidence of their existence, the idea that anyone could attribute specific concerns to any particular species of ET is absurd. The ramblings of some manufactured dogma aside, the fact remains - we have no ETs in our possession.

Now, having said that, I think it to be highly probable that life exists elsewhere in the universe, and I have said so {religiously} in many other postings. The laws of science predict such a reality, and in fact, the laws of probability demand that they do. There is so much that physics (my discipline) cannot explain, yet suspect is true, that to say something can't or doesn't exist would be utter stupidity.

As long as M-Theory and Super-String theory requires 10 or 11 dimensions, Relativity requires worm-holes/white-holes/black-holes, and spacial anomolies continue to present themselves - I will continue to believe that interspacial travel is certainly allowed. My web page has information on it explaining just that.

My Spot

I hope this clears things up for you.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 02, 2008, 11:56:09 pm
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We like our aliens around here, Merlin. As to why we like our aliens, it's beyond me. All they do is abduct us, probe us, then erase our memories of those events. Mean little gray guys...
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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I hear you Jennifer, I just didn't want to take a bum's wrap for something I didn't do. Besides, I look like a viking, so it's in mt best interest to promote the Nordics - right?    ;D


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Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 02, 2008, 11:57:03 pm
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Merl,

Is that what a bum wears?

Or did you mean a "bum rap" ?

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 02, 2008, 11:57:26 pm
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It is in your best interest to promote the Nordics, Merlin, and everyone else's, too. They're the good guys!


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I know that a lot of the earlier abduction witnesses often reported seeing the Nordic types and seemed to feel like they were primarily running the Grays.
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Gee, Cat, I've never seen that before, do you know the source? Cause from what I can see, the Nordics are here to warn the human race about the grays and that they are, themselves, fighting an intergalactic war against them!
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Is that what a bum wears?

Or did you mean a "bum rap" ?
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LOL - a little of both I suppose. You should try concentrating on what you are typing while holding a 2 month old who thinks all the pretty colors on the monitor are worthy of touching.   ;)

My apologies for the typo. 


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Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 02, 2008, 11:58:32 pm
 
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Nordic Aliens-


The following information was emailed to me just today, and if you will read what is here you will begin to see what is the truth, and what is fiction about a lot of things that have been covered up over the years by our own U.S. Government, and why we have achieved the fantastic level of technology in the past 100 or so years after being basically primitive for Thousands of years! Some of this information was leaked to the producers of the Television Show "Dark Skies", which was pulled after being on for just a few seasons and is still running on cable stations, the Sci-Fi Channel. I believe that most of the following is true, and can be validated just by doing research on the internet since this information has been recently declassified.

The Greys and the Earth Agenda

A 1995 Alex Collier Lecture

Interaction Between Gizeh Group and Nazi Germany The Greys made contact with a world governmental body for the first time in 1931. This was in Germany. The Greys were however turned away by the German go-ernment, because it had already committed itself to involvement with the Gizeh intelligence. Now, I don't know if you know who Gizeh intelligence is, but I will tell you that it is a renegade group of human extraterrestrials that were headquartered under the Gizeh plateau in Egypt. They were predominantly Pleiadians at the time. Ashtar was part of that group, Kamagol was part of that group. Even Jehovah was part of that group for some time. They did their own thing. They came down here and "played God" with us, and people worshipped them as "Gods" because they had this technology. They abused their power. The Germans were, in the 1930's, building rockets and starting a space program because of their contacts with extraterrestrials - the Gizeh intelligence.

Technology was developed and used to create weapons, because the German gov-rnmental bodies involved were concerned that there was going to be an alien invasion. The Gizeh intelligence told them that the Greys were here. However, there was not an actual invasion, per se, in progress. Weapons, such as sound devices, lasers, neutron bombs, particle beam weapons were created, although many of these were actualized later on in history. The Germans were given a lot of this technology by the Gizeh intelligence. These technologies also included free energy devices and anti-gravity technology. Tripartite Interaction: US, USSR and Britain. The United States was the first to open its doors to the alien race known as the Greys. I have been told of a contact in 1934, wherein the Greys made their presence known to the United States government in Washington State. It wasn't until 1947 that actual contact occurred with the aliens and United States officials, due to the shooting down of an alien craft in Roswell, New Mexico. This pressed the Greys into contact earlier than they had anticipated. After this crash at Roswell in 1947 the United States, the Soviet Union and the British, at the very highest levels of government, became "blood-brothers".

Now, these governments did not know what Germany was really up to at that time in history. The Germans were very very secretive about their contact with Gizeh intelligences. What was going on in Germany and what was going on between these other countries were two separate issues.

The Roswell incident created more of an urgency to develop a true space program in order to defend the Earth. Again, the United States government and the Soviets thought that there was a threat due to the technologically advanced state of the aliens they had encountered. The true space program as an "underground" development that we are just now beginning to hear about. It was originally financed by members of the Club of Rome. Now, you will need to do some homework to find out who those members are, and don't be surprised at who you see. We'll talk more about that when we discuss the moon. The Greys assisted the "black government" with the building of some of the first facilities on the moon and Mars.

Prior to all of this, between 1850 and 1950, there were instances of the mutilation of both cattle and humans. The NSA, which was created in the 1950's, knew that aliens were responsible. How they knew this, though, I have not been told. I will try and get more clarification on that. In 1952, the government prepared itself for the realization of ongoing alien contact.

When our military radar systems started to bring down craft, the Greys realized that in order to perform their genetic experiments on such a large scale, in an attempt to genetically save their race, they would need the cooperation of a political body of a high caliber. In other words, they had to come to terms. A select body in the United S-ates was designed to be the liaison between the Greys and earth humans. The military was very enthusiastic, in the hope of exchanging raw materials for alien technology. This liaison group, the political structure, was the National Security Agency. This is what its original purpose was.

The Agreement and Contract

In May of 1954, the United States go-ernment made the agreement with an alien race. Some of the terms of this agreement featured the exchange of technology of anti-gravity, metals and alloys, environmental type technologies, free energy and medical technologies geared toward dealing with the human body. All the Greys asked for in return, they said, was to be allowed to study human development in terms of consciousness and emotional makeup, and to be allowed to stay here on Earth. The agreement took place at Holloman Air Force Base.

This single act involving the signing of a "contract" with an extraterrestrial race was the most significant event in human history, because it launched mankind in a direction we were never intended to go in the first place. It also thrust us into a role that we were not prepared for, either, of being host to an alien race. This also essentially "handcuffed" the Andromedan Council, and those benevolent extra-terrestrial races from being able to take a more active role in our evolution. In effect, it has placed the burden squarely on the shoulders of humanity, to enlighten itself relative to the facts, and to consciously create ascension on an individual basis, because outside help was now unavailable.

The particular treaty was agreed upon between these aliens and the Ultra unit in the NSA, which is in actuality a government unto itself. Now, pay close attention, because this is the first time I have ever mentioned this.

The particular document and originally exchanged materials may be found today in the NSA facility called Blue Moon, underneath Kirkland Air Force base in New Mexico. The entrance to this base is in the Manzano mountains. Also, at this location is the private Department of Energy (D-E) technological base. Currently, the building of free energy devices for use in space is ongoing in this particular facility.

Much of the alien technology has been reconstructed and sent, via a connecting tunnel, to Los Alamos and an area located underneath the cliffsides of Los Alamos canyon, where huge vaults are built into the earth. This facility is 29,000 square feet, and contains laboratories equipped to study light, thought, and pure energy. This facility is also used as a jail for aliens captured by black government factions.

Now, the NSA is exempt from all laws in the United States, unless it is itself mentioned in any creation of law. This is because of its interaction with alien species and what it sees as necessary intervention into the civil and constitutional rights of the American people.

The Underground Network and Its Management

Corporations that are currently assisting the various alien groups and the "black government" are: Standard Oil, Lockheed, Northrop, McDonald-Douglas, AT&T, IT&T, the A. Matthews Construction company, the Robbins Company, the Utah Mining Company, and a host of others. There was a great deal of private money used by the NSA to build alien technology, and to keep humanity under control, and the status quo secure. Even the CIA doesn't know a lot about money used by the NSA to build alien technology, and to keep humanity under control, and the status quo secure. Even the CIA doesn't know a lot about the Ultra unit or the Blue Moon unit in the NSA, which deal with alien technology and information.

Now, Alpha 1 and Alpha 2 (under Blue Moon) control compartmentalization, building and applications of alien technology. According to the Andromedans, Alpha 2 is MJ-12, and MJ-12 is at the bottom of the hierarchy, even though we are led to believe that it is at the top. Alpha 2 also controls the release of information and the security of that information. MJ-12 meets in a facility called the "country club" in the mountains of Virginia. The "country club" is owned by the Rockefeller Foundation. The vital meetings are held underground, and the members of MJ-12 are taken via a small subway to the town of Warrington, Virginia. From there, they are taken to
an underground city called "Ravenrock", which is located just south of the Blue Ridge summit in Pennsylvania. The effort and energy they put into keeping all of this secret is incredible. It's nice to know that a race 2.2 million light years away knows what is going on here.

Most of the underground tunnel system across the United States is between 2,500 and 3,500 feet underground. The Boeng Aerospace Company built and created fuel batteries and power generators to operate this subterranean highway system that is apparently all across the United States. Apparently, in these fuel cells, they mix chlorine and hydrogen and electricity is created, as well as hydrogen chloride, which is then reseparated again into hydrogen and chlorine. The process continues forever, creating electricity forever. It never wears out, apparently. (JW I've
never heard of that one before.)

The planning and implementation for blueprints and designed for the tunnel connections underground was handled by the Navy. The National Research Council was responsible for the underground tunneling systems across the United States. The management of all these facilities is handled by the Department of Energy. Now, the machines that were built to create this underground tunnel system and the underground facilities were built by the Ja-va Corporation of Ohio, the Morrison-Knudson Company out of Boise, Idaho, and the Robbins Company in Washington State. Most of the financing for this program, and all of these facilities, has been done through the NSA..

The Nordics are an extra terrestrial species which has been reported to be observing the activities here on Earth. Individuals who have allegedly come in contact with the Nordics say that they are here to observe our culture and not interfere in our evolution.
Some individuals have suggested that because of the Nordic's similar physical appearance to humans that they could possibly be our long lost relatives who have since moved on to another planet. Other individuals suggest that the Nordics are in conflict with they Greys because they object to the Greys interfering with human evolution. Other than these few theories, not a lot is known about the Nordics.

There are countless types of aliens UFO witnesses have claimed to have seen over the years. However, the overwhelming majority of them fall into roughly six categories. These classifications are listed below along with what information we have about them. This list should in no way be considered complete and is intended as a guide only to help witnesses relate their stories.



The Grays (or Greys)

Without a doubt the most famous of all aliens, the Grays are featured as the aliens of choice in Steven Speilberg's Close Encounters, the X-files and numerous other TV shows, books and movies. The Grays represent almost 80% of all aliens allegedly encountered by witnesses in the last 40 years or so.
Overall descriptions vary somewhat on a case-by-case basis, but the average Gray alien can usually be described as between three and five feet tall with a fragile, thin body and oversized head possessed of no hair. Faces have large black eyes, small nose and mouth and no identifiable ears. Appearance can best be described as almost fetus-like, and reports indicate the Gray aliens have at least four elongated fingers, with some witnesses claiming to have seen as many as six digits per hand. Witnesses also claim aliens of this type often have either webbed hands, webbed skin or both. Skin color tends toward varying shades of gray (hence the name) and reports have these beings wearing either skin-tight suits of the same color or no discernible clothing at all.
Grays are most frequently the aliens reported in abduction cases and seem to be the only aliens involved in mass abductions. The purpose of such abductions is almost always reported to be experimentation for breeding purposes, in which sperm and eggs are taken by force from abductees for use in creating a hybrid race of human and gray. Other reports of advanced surgery for other purposes have been recorded, but the end purpose of these experiments remain unclear. Often victims of both types of experimentation claim to have been implanted with small metal or silicon devices. Speculation is that these implants are tracking devices, and given the fact that abductees often claim to be abducted from early childhood throughout their entire lives, this may have some weight. It is also believed that Gray aliens are responsible for cattle mutilations the world over.
The Grays do not seem to be overly cruel to humans. Most witnesses report their treatment as impartial, something akin to the relationship between an animal and veterinarian is a comparison that has been drawn by many abductees. It is during these experiments the Grays exhibit a powerful form of psychic power, actually able to communicate not only thoughts but emotions as well. It is also related by many witnesses that these aliens use a form of mind control power force them to stop resisting the abduction process.
While the experiments are very demeaning to the victims, the Grays appear to do no lasting bodily harm and tend to just drop abductees off near or exactly where they found them. Recent reports have also linked these types of UFO abductions with ovarian and genital cancer, as many alleged victims, many with no family history of cancer, have come down with the disease within a few years of their alleged abductions.
Reports from witnesses sometimes reveal more detail about grey social structure and society than all the other types of aliens reported. The most common of these is the different types, or sub-types of greys who vary in size (mostly height) and mental powers. Many accounts also incorporate the nordic aliens into the grey society. We will be planning a separate and more detailed account of this grey society in updates to the UFO Reporter.


The Nordics/Blondes

Reported mostly in the 1950s and 60s but declining steadily in reports after that, the Nordics get their name from their appearance. They tend to look like blond haired, blue-eyed, light-skinned men and women in excellent physical condition who wear clothing similar to that of humans. Their nature has often been called "catlike" because they move with great agility and seem to have superior strength and dexterity. Usually six to seven feet tall, they tend to be very imposing and many reports show them to have certain psychic powers. The most common of these seems to be a form of telepathic suggestion, wherein the witnesses actually have a conversation with the Nordic but don't seem to remember the alien actually "saying" anything.
The overall behavior of the Nordic aliens tends to be almost informal. Most encounters with these beings tend to take place in rural towns or on highways in areas with low populations. Their conversations with humans tend to be deceptive and with no real point, yet those contacted by them don't seem to realize this until long after the contact has taken place. Few cases of Nordic contact seem to involve abductions or experimentations.


Reptile

The Reptile alien is by far the most violent of all the alien races reported over the world. Reptilian aliens stand up to eight feet tall in a roughly human shape and have scaly green skin with yellow to green snake-like eyes. Their strength tends to be superior to that of humans, and most alleged abductees found themselves hopelessly outclassed physically by these beings. In some cases, their eyes tend to be overly large like the gray aliens, leading some to speculate they are in fact Grays the witnesses can't quite remember clearly. In any case, the reptile aliens act much differently than their Gray counterparts. Their hands tend to be taloned, but fully capable of manipulating tools and weapons.
The Reptile aliens, by most accounts, are encountered in pairs or threes, usually at night in a field or forest. Reports have these aliens firing beam weapons on humans, killing or immobilizing them, and taking them to their ships for experimentation and in some instances torture. Documented accounts (including one we picked up not long ago) are very gruesome indeed, involving disemboweling or dismembering of humans or animals.
Few reports have surfaced about these aliens, and those that do sometimes place them in the service of other alien types, usually the Grays. These aliens tend to be of artificial construction, usually some kind of shiny metal, with various appendages for specified tasks, which usually seems to include collecting samples of everything from soil, plants, and in a few cases humans.
Some witnesses have described the robots as hovering disks up to seven feet in diameter or cylindrical creations in the more conventional perception of a robot, complete with blinking lights and dome-like heads, and yet others give them a more human description. Many reports place them as scouts for the Grays, and at least one report had a number of them controlled by a Nordic. Usually, they are encountered singly, roaming forests and even reported sifting through garbage in remote trash dumps. Based on the majority of reports of encounters with these mechanical aliens, their purpose seems to be more for scrounging and scouting than for direct contact with humans. Most cases involving robots usually have the robots leaving the area when coming into contact with humans. Whether the mode of travel is hovering, walking or rolling on wheels, the robots seem to exit the area with remarkable speed.


Dwarf/Goblin

The Dwarf/Goblin is a class of aliens that seem to resemble the class of mythological creatures that they are named after. Like the mythological beasts, they tend more towards practical jokes, pranks and other annoying tricks than in the actions of the other alien classifications.
The Chupacabra beast is considered by many ufologists to be an extension of this alien classification. Whatever its origins farmers, police and even government authorities have taken the creature's killing of goats and other animals very seriously, to the point of sending out armed patrols to hunt the creature down.
It is arguable that this class is actually an extraterrestrial at all. Indeed most cases involving these creatures do not follow the same patterns of most human contact with aliens. They seem to have no purpose other than to accost humans and have fun at their expense. To date, they have not been associated with experiments, abductions in the extraterrestrial sense (though in the sense of the traditional fairy tale this has occurred) or alien spacecraft of any kind. They are, however, included because they are still a subject of paranormal encounters and their relationship with other extraterrestrials is still a remote possibility.


Apparition/Hologram

This type of alien appears as an insubstantial entity, existing in sight and sound only but devoid of any physical mass. The Apparition has been reported to walk through walls and is often hard to look directly at, as such entities are usually surrounded by shimmering or bright lights which obscure much of its features. It is speculated by many ufologists this is a safe form of investigation for alien beings, who can use some kind of hologram or projection technology to investigate terrestrial targets without actually being near them. No cases to our knowledge involving these types of aliens have included abductions or anything physical happening to eyewitnesses other than some reported cases of mild radiation poisoning, presumably from the shimmering fields of the holograms. Most Apparition type encounters usually end with the being simply dissappearing into thing air or walking through a wall to evade pursuit. They are almost universally encountered alone, without any others of their type around.


Hybrids

Many UFO abductees have reported aliens that seem half Gray alien and half human, perhaps the end result of the apparent breeding programs that dominate accounts of Gray experimentations. They have large heads, but with hair, and while their noses, ears and mouths are more pronounced, the eyes are large like the Grays. The overall build is not as fragile as that of the Grays, but not quite as rugged appearing as a human. By nearly all accounts, they do not talk, and most do seem possessed of some psychic powers. Skin color tends to be much fairer than the Gray alien, but not quite of human pigmentation either. Skin texture seems to be human in nature without the webbing or mesh traits of the Grays.
It is important to note that these Hybrid types are almost always found in the company of the Grays aboard spacecraft, often used to calm frightened abductees and in many cases to have sexual relations with them. No cases to our knowledge have ever placed the Hybrids outside of the ships they come in, the reason communicated for this that they are too fragile or would be at risk on our planet. In no cases do the Hybrid aliens seem to be in control of things, and aside from calming and mating, seem to have no actual purpose in the running of the ships or in the experiments.


The Roswell Aliens

These aliens, named after the most famous UFO crash in the world, and are the subject of some debate among ufologists. Many experts insist they are a separate race from the others reported, while others support the belief that they are Grays whose description has been watered down or "humanized" over the decades. If reports from witnesses in the Roswell incident (actually a misnomer since the alien bodies were supposedly recovered near Corona, New Mexico some 40 miles Northwest of Roswell) are to be believed, these aliens were four feet in height, possessed of slim hairless bodies like the traditional Gray would be described. However, their noses and mouths seem to be larger, and some accounts even have the surviving aliens crying out or talking. The eyes are described as dark and pupiless, but closer together the way a human's would be. Clothing seems to be of a bright silver suit easily recognizable as such, and the hands of these beings are possessed of four fingers, with many small suction cups just under the ends of the fingers.
Aside from the infamous incident, few reports of the Roswell aliens have been reported.

Light

Some UFO cases involve beings of pure light, usually in the form of balls that hover several feet off the ground, are hard to look directly at, and communicate by telepathy. Given the fact that many of these encounters take place in remote swamps and fields at night, a direct comparison has often been drawn between these beings and the mythical will 0' wisps of Northern Europe. Like the dwarfs or goblin aliens, these balls of pure light seem more bent on frightening witnesses than any form of scientific investigation like the Grays, the Reptiles or to a less extent the Nordics.


Insectoid

This class of alien has been reported only rarely in witness accounts, though it is very widespread in science fiction tales dating back to Jules Verne. Insectoids are so called because of their insect-like appearance and have been described often as a human-sized preying mantis, only with longer forearms with "hands" capable of manipulating tools. Again, reports on this type are sketchy at best, and no generalities of their behaivior or attitude toward abuductees (assuming, of course, they do abduct humans) can be drawn.

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"Few cases of Nordic contact seem to involve abductions or experimentations."

As I have often mentioned here, the Nordics are the good guys!
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ZetaTalk: Nordics
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The Nordics have less patience with humans than other alien groups, and expect humans to grow to the level of 4th Density Service-to-Others before they will engage. They do have many takers, humans pure in heart who have little conflict about their roles or who are in a position, in their incarnation on Earth, to function in this role. There the Nordics work at a high level toward solving the Earth's problems, which are numerous and varied. The Nordics feel they make best use of their efforts in this way, and their track record reflects this. There are no Service-to-Self Nordics at work in the Earth's vicinity at the present time. The Nordics are named for their appearance, as they refused to divulge their constellation of origin to their human contacts, deeming this to be an insignificant issue.

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Nordics
The Beautiful Blondes and their Incredible Flying Machines
by Don Worley


Source: UFO Universe


Cover Page Wording: Angelic ETs predict Earthly Doom


[Though the Grays seem to get all the attention these days, there are still plenty of other alien-types flying around the galaxy, including ETs who could pass as humans.]


When one thinks of aliens, in all likelihood the mind conjures up images of strange creatures that show up regularly on the SciFi Channel or at least on the movie lot of a Steven Spellberg shoot.


In the last half century or so Hollywood has thrown all kinds of bug-eyed boogie monsters from space at us, but only in a handful of motion pictures (such as the classic The Day The Earth Stood Still) have our "visitors" been depicted as resembling human life as we recognize it, here on Earth. We've been exposed to, a multitude of giant insects, meandering bloobs, things with tentacles and a host of other mix-shaped aliens, but outside of a shapely female cyborg here and there, directors and script writers would lead us to believe that almost all aliens are just plain ugly as sin ... or at least down right weird looking.


With this background in mind, when one enters the UFO arena as a serious researcher, it would seem obvious that common sense would dictate to us the appearance of alien crews based upon "past performance," Thus, you can imagine my surprise when I discovered that human-looking UFOnauts not only exist, but that they play an extremely important role in the riddle of the flying saucers.


When I embarked upon my research of the Nordic-types as they are generally referred to, I certainly was not prepared for what I was to learn. My preconceived ideas were quickly shattered when it came to this particular aspect of the UFO enigma. In my role as an investigator I found that many of those claiming encounters and abductions were describing the same types of beings and events without knowing each other.


For the most part, those whom I spoke with for the purposes of this article are lifelong experiencers. Most frequently their contacts have occurred during the night time hours and in what science might refer to as as altered state of consciousness. In rare instances a small number of individuals have said that their encounters have transpired in broad daylight under like circumstances.


In a total of approximately 100 cases, 36 of the reported episodes involved Nordic-type aliens, Utilizing the testimony of these contactees, I was able to place their experiences in the following categories:


A - The nature and appearance of the Nordics.


B - Special revealing cases that have occurred involving this particular type of being.


C - The Nordics affinity for discussing forthcoming cataclysmic Earth changes.


Appearance and Nature of the Nordics


# We hear first from Donna, a Canadian who hold a BA degree whose experiences started in childhood while residing in Scotland. 'I observed the occurred involving this particular Nordics along with the worker Grays and a group of child-like beings who were very pale. They were all in one place and the Nordics - who were blonde - wear silk ysmooth, light blue suits. The only symbol of their victims I recall is a dragon-like snake with wings. The males were handsome with bottomless blue eyes, set in angular faces. The only emotion they displayed was serene amusement until they began to mentally talk to me. The place had a beautiful glow and atmosphere of serenity. Most of the beings looked young, but there were some there who looked older with beards and flowing robes. I had an intense longing for these beings after I left them, and an intense love, respect, and awe when I was with them."


# Julia, a rural Mississippi housewife. "They do have underground bases, even an under-river base. I have seen the little Grays, the Nordics and their friends the red-eyed apes. They also had a military pilot with them who was being held against his will. The big blondes might weigh 275 lbs., had striking blue eyes, dark skin, and white teeth. Some of the good kind don't like what the bad kind are doing and there is warfare in space."


# Judy, an extensive Texas experiencer recently emotionally declared that if the extraterrestrials who manipulated her into the mess she is in don't help her soon her life is doomed. "Yes, around the age of 11 or 12, I had the first experience with the Blondes as you call them, the Elohim as I call them, when I was sitting in our yard near the plum tree. Suddenly my flesh began to itch and I heard a buzzing sound. Directly in front of me, I saw them through a window in the air. They were very, tall, exceedingly handsome, and dressed in White hermits and suits. The one sitting down had on a long white robe and their eyes were weird for they had light coming from them. I felt they were talking to me, but now I don't remember what was said. After the image vanished the itching stopped and I sat there for a very long time. I knew something truly remarkable had happened to me in this chilling experience."


# Andy Anderson, an Indiana man, has been abducted far too many times for his liking. According to Andy, there also exists a shorter, adolescent appearing Nordic. This kind of entity approached Andy in a normal daylight setting as he worked in a supermarket. The two who approached him spoke a strange language making him think they must be retarded. So began years of frequent abductions in which a Sanskrit-like language was used to communicate. Andy was informed of this and when he spoke the language in public he ended up in a mental hospital under observation. Sanskrit was the language of the ancient Gods of India who flew in aerial craft. Who knows why it has surfaced in modern America in this case of an abductee.


The Giants


There also exists a giant type of Nordie. On a Mediterrean island the titan sized entities were called Genitori. In South America a Costa Rican contactee was taken to a base in the Andes mountains run by giant Nordics. There were also Grays, and humans there too.


Nordic contact has also been reported in such diverse places as England, Spain, Mexico, and Canada. In northern Mexico, in a zone of silence near Cebal los, Durango, Nordies have wandered into town from the desert, accepted refreshments, and then vanished back into the desert. In Canada, one large religious group still has contact with Nordies they call "Overseers." This intirnacy, they say, extends back into ancient days in Europe.


Initially, I was surprised to learn that the Nordics are the controllers of some of the android-like Grays, there are several examples of such cases.


# Near Red Fork Falls, Uanaka Mountain, Tennessee: One August evening in 1990, five persons watched a curious event. Near a large fire was an unusually tall naked man with long blonde hair. Dancing around him were some 30 midgets with large heads.


# A farmhouse bedroom near Floyd's Knob, Indiana: During one abduction a blue eyed Jesus-like figure in resplendent robe appeared in a shaft of sparkling light that came through the ceiling. He took the abductee's hand and said, "Don't be afraid my child! These are mine," gesturing to the little humanoids who were standing around the room.


Now let us turn to our next category. In it we will learn some even more startling things from the very lips of Nordic experiencers. There are a number of close contact cases in which the persons insist that their Nordic friends are physical in every sense of the word.


Special Revealing: Episodes


# Janice, residing in New Hampshire. Since a child she has considered the Nordics as her "other family" and perceives them as true physical beings. She insists, "They are not gods or angels. They are another race who are here because they are responsible for us. I have seen them breathe in a physical state, but not in the non-physical state.


"I have seen them sit, lie down, have sex, but not go to the toilet. However I have used their standup toilet. She also said, "It is the fear a person is living through that changes his or her perception of the experience. Just because I am not afraid doesn't mean I never was. It's the same for the nine other persons I know about. I can't tell you how many times we are referred to as "aliens lovers or delusion-driven breeding stock, because we are no longer afraid."


# Amy, who lives in Michigan, is a very kind experiencer who has tried to help others. My last communication from her had her feeling caught in the middle due to the arrival of new players who gather to find out what the other ETs are doing. The situation has caused her to be hospitalized. She has not seen the Nordics eat, but has seen them resting on what looked like a chaise lounge. Amy told me, "As you know, I believe there are different groups of tall beings making contact. When I stated I had not seen any Nordies with the Zeta's (Grays) .. or maybe what I should have said is that I don't have any recollection of seeing them. I know that Janice and I have the same Zeta contact.


"We have seen each other on board their craft several times. Needless to say, we find this exciting and call each other up in the morning. We have never met in person on Earth. Anyway Janice does see the tall beings the Pleiadians, on board with our group of Zeta's, I would say that not all Nordic types are from the same community and perhaps their goal/agenda is not the same. The Zeta's I am in contact with do have humans living among them. They are from genetic material that they have collected from us earthbound experiencers. I have met several of their people, both human and halflings. I have been shown different living areas for these humans on board.


"One seemed to be for recreation in a park-like atmosphere, I have had several conversations with both males and females about their life there. They seemed genuinely happy people. I do not think they are being treated like slaves."


# A highly respected pastor from Canada says that as a child he was held on the lap of his lifetime mentor "Gold" (Entity has a golden sheen to its eyes which can change color according to its mood), and watched what was done to his loved ones. Over 300 lost time periods and many abductions, details have been recalled over 45 years. Some of these memories involved groups of persons in his religious group.


In his intimate relations with those he calls the "Overseers or non-Terrans," the cleric has seen them breathe, eat, drink, lift some abductees out of a lake with their arms, and glide over the surface of the water,


Here in the Pastor's own stunning words is his description of the Nordics most astonishing appearance. If memory serves me right, it was in late August 1987. Just about all our brethren who would be participating in the almost fall ritual were out on the landscape. That would make about 400 men, women, and children, and several hundred animals. They appeared just as we were commencing our march to our most holy place. One second they were not there, and the next second they were. Of the few brethren who'd been facing in the direction in which they appeared the word was that there was a rippling in the air not unlike that of heat just prior to the arrival of the non-Terrans. A most abrupt silence descended on the group when they realized. Just who had joined our party, It was five Nordics led by my "buddy." Only he was observably masculine. The others were of the non-gender variety as far as we could, determine. As chief functionary I approached Gold. He said they wished to witness the ritual in person.


They hung around for the entirety of the ritual, then went back to the spot where they had arrived before departing in the same manner."


This man who holds a number of PhD's, further explained... "Yes, Don, the ones I have been around do respirate. I have touched and been touched by them on plenty of occasions. You don't think that what I felt was real? Thanks to the number of events wherein I've been in the presence of ephemerals, I assume that I've come to know the difference."


In a later conversation, the Pastor who is also a physician-described some medical instruments and techniques used by his erstwhile benefactor. As the cylinder is passed slowly from the apex of my cranium to the soles of my feet, probes descend and pass through my exterior derma and into my various interiorties. Yes, I do believe that I can sense something, that can be construed as feeling or sensation. Feeling not good or bad but both. It's not unlike being able to laugh and cry at the same time. There is a separate wand which wields the needle which they stick in your nostril. Having thought about it, I'd venture to express that I have seen a little ball-thing that they install, remove or re-install. It's creamic-like only more toward slivery-white. It's quite slender, and some inches in length.


The crunching sound is constant whether they are sticking it into you or taking it out. Sometimes the placement seems to affect the sight of the eye that they've placed the little ball behind."


Some of the things that we have learned about the Nordics are pretty startling. Perhaps what astonished me the most was when I learned due to the series of lifetime experiencers-that our enigmatic Nordics seem to exist in both the space/time dimensional world of the spirit and the physical world of sensory substance. Now let us move on to the fascinating Nordic habit of giving out cataclysmic Earth destruction warnings.


Nordies Warn of Cataclysmic Earth Changes


The dire warnings of a supposed future axis tilt and Earthly chaos repeat themselves like a broken record in the UFOlore of the English and Spanish speaking parts of the world, and probably elsewhere that we don't know about. The warnings date back in Biblical antiquity and other ancient sources and continue to the present day. One amazing source is the Hopi Indian religious mythologies, legends, pictographs, and petroglyps. These - thus far -incredibly accurate predictions seem to come mainly from seven foot, blonde-haired, blue-eyed, Nordics by way of the Hopi ancestors who called them the Hisatsinom. Not Anasazi as is sometimes mistakenly stated. Anasazi is the Navajo word that means enemy ancestor.


Now, let me describe four of my best cases. When it comes to the United States, the southwestern and mid-America/Great Lakes regions seem to be the focal points of the greatest upheaval although plenty of changes are due to happen in other places. Are the Nordics telling it to us straight or are they really colossal deceivers? Or, can they just be off timewise? I have noticed a few important misses I'll give later. Maybe reliability is contingent upon the relative hieratical status of the being imparting the warnings.


# Dannion Brinkley, the man who was struck by lightening and died, spent time with a series of magnificent beings in a fabulous crystal city of light. Thus far many of the 117 predictions that were given to him about future events have come true.


# Sarah, a prolific message receiver wonders if those who identify themselves to her as "The Lifeforce" may not be the well known Ashtar group through her prediction about Ashtar's arrival on Earth in 1994 proved inaccurate. "The place known as California will disappeang. The ocean will relocate during the shift and the deserts of Nevada and Arizona will be a wastrel of waters. The Great Lakes will be destroyed in the latter part of the shift, distributed into waterways that now, are oceans. All animals know what is to come and some are even glad to end their mistreatment at the hands of humans. They prefer to embrace the leaving of this planet. There will be many liftoffs in the days before and right after the shift. All persons have chosen their paths and know within their souls the choice that they have made in advance."


# Donna, of Canada, among my foremost Nordic experiencers, predicted a big quake in California, in 1995 which did happen. Regarding the urging of the Nordics for her to move further north in Ontario, I suggested she stay put, which proved right. Donna said, "California will undergo terrible destruction and most of it will be covered by water. Water will cover some parts of the central USA, including Mississippi, and they specifically mentioned New York. Certain people, myself included, are being trained to be helpers during this crisis.


"Massive numbers of people are going to die, and at death, the Nordics usually assist people in making the transition helping to minimize the fear, disorientation, and trauma. However, there will not be enough Nordics to go around and human helpers will be necessary. The Nordics have always oriented us to the new dimension when we die, moreover, it takes some time, because the shock of "dying" and yet, finding one's self alive and not in heaven or hell in the traditional sense is more than some souls can't olerate. Also, there is normally a 'review' and `evaluation' period where we are required to look over events and choices of our Earthly life and determine which experiences contributed to our evolution of consciousness and which retarded progress."


# Brenda of Kansas has experienced many abductions and on one occasion the Grecian-featured platinum blonde figure with stunning blue eyes, appeared in broad daylight. Brenda has received messages of Earth's destruction as well as other predictions. One of these given in 1989 was that Bob Dole would become president of the U.S. This of course was a clear miss.


# El John, a lifetime New Mexico contactee, also made a prediction of a great California quake in 1994, which never happened, "Most of this I receive from direct physical contacts with Nordic beings like the Orion group, who almost always appear wearing blue tights or jumpsuits. Among those encountered are both light-skin and dark skin beings whose life span is 1,000 to 3,500 Earth years. As far as I know the two mile high tidal wave will, happen soon, striking from the far east.


Due to my own personal involvement, I have come to understand from those involved that each contact with the Nordics can prove to be a gripping drama. To the majority of those who have been selected for contact these beings can be wondrous-almost angelic. But in studying these cases I have come to understand that there are many unanswered questions which these encounters pose to the serious investigator.


For example:


# Exactly who are these beings?


# Where do they reside' and furthermore are they physical or paranormal in form?


# Are their intentions good, bad or indifferent, and are they guided by a supreme, wise, master somewhere whom we might call God?


We know at least some of the Nordics can be classified as "deceivers," as many of their predictions and dire warnings have not proven accurate. As a good case in point, is the recent demise of the followers of the Heavens Gate group. Their leader, Bo or Do, had in the past detailed out of body experiences, mentioned hearing voices, and told of a higher level of consciousness which could be reached with the help of beings from space. Many of his followers were contactees who seem to have been easily swayed by these beautiful entities with awesome powers.


In not one of my 40 articles published over the years have I ever advocated trusting totally in the aliens. I'm convinced 'that all of these aliens should be judged by their actions and riot by what they show or tell anyone they have contacted. We must keep an open mind but always remember never to put our life on the line.


Author's Note: In order to safeguard the reputation of those involved so as they will not be the brunt of ridicule or harassment, no actual names have been used in this article, though the files are here at my home for reference. Those with experiences to relate may contact me at:


1051 Beech Street, Connersville, IN 47331.


http://beyondtopsecret.com/AliensNordics.html
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Well, what do you know, I now have 400 posts, and this one is it! Another proud Nordic accomplishment!
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KT Cat & Unknown, what happened to both of you? Haven't seen either of you here in quite some time! I'm dearly hoping that neither of you were abducted by aliens! If you were, hopefully, it's not those perverted little grays!
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Hi Jennie

I wasn't abducted, but then again how would I know.

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Well, gee, Unknown, you know some of the symptoms as well as I do! Missing time would be one of them, nosebleeds, subsequent visitations!

Beware perverted little gray guys with cold little hands, that's what I always say!
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Hi Jennie

That grey thing is actually kinda spooky, Have you ever read any of Shirely McClaines books?

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Hi Unknown!

Nope! You mean that old actress who believes in reincarnation? Does she believe in ETs, too?
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Yah she wrote a couple of books about her experiences, which include her meeting extraterrestrials in her travels somewhere in south or central america, not sure. They were the Nordic type though.

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Wow, I'll have to check her out on the web with that stuff. You know the Nordics are working with the government of Puerto Rico and trying to keep it safe from the grays. That's a fact!

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I think you would enjoy her books.

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1992 Abduction: UFO Experience Support Association, P.O. BOX 191. Regents Pk. NSW. 2143
Alien females from 1992 experience.
The world's first DNA PCR investigation of biological evidence from an alien abduction
by Bill Chalker/ Anomaly Physical Evidence Group ( APEG ). Copyright 2001-Bill Chalker/APEG Trust

A Sydney, Australia abduction experience from 1992, with biological evidence, became the subject of the world's first DNA PCR investigation, yielding intriguing results that have suggested fascinating new lines of investigation and speculation. Dr Kary Mullis received the Noble Prize in chemistry for his discovery of the PCR technique. Mullis is unigue amongst Noble laureates in claiming that he may have had an alien abduction experience. He confirmed this to me and indicated others had similar experiences at his northern Californian cabin.

Born in 1964, in Lebanon, Peter Khoury migrated to Australia in 1973. He met his future wife while at school, Vivian in 1981, marrying in 1990. They have 2 children. what might be Peter's first encounter with a UFO occurred in Lebanon in the summer of 1971 at age 7. He and seven other children had gone up onto the rooftop of his neighbor's house to play. Peter was the last one to walk through a heavy that leads onto the roof. He then saw all his friends "frozen" like statues in front of him, while a silent egg-shaped craft hovered above. All eight children later found themselves on the ground floor after some time had elapsed, with no memory of the intervening period.

In Sydney during February 1988, Peter & Vivian saw a strange light doing extraordinary movements in conjunction with a beam of light effect. The light source would appear at two places simultaneously, the original light source would create a light beam that in turn produced an image of the object in two distinct places at one time.


Peter & Vivian Khoury
A frightening and life changing alien abduction experience occurred on July 12, 1988. Khoury had lay on a bed and was overwhelmed by paralysis. A number of beings became apparent around him. One of them, a tall thin golden yellow coloured being, with large black eyes, inserted a long needle like object onto the side of his head. Khoury blackout. He regained consciousness with a start and rushed into the adjoining room where he found other family members in a "switched-off" state. Rousing them, Khoury found that while they thought only 10 minutes had passed, in reality it seemed between 1 to 2 hours had passed. An injury to his head was verified.


Beings from 1988 experience
At that time Peter Khoury had no real context to anchor his disturbing experience. Eventually he became aware of abduction experiences and entered the UFO field to initially understand what happened to him. Eventually frustrated with the problems and politics that plagued his association with ufology he formed a support group- the UFO Experience Support Association (UFOESA ) during April, 1993.



UFO Experience Support Association ( Inc )
Despite trying to focus on supporting other's, Peter Khoury found that strange experiences had continued for him. In retrospect, the most striking one occurred on July 23, 1992, according to diary entries.


1992 diary entry
He had been recovering from head injuries received in a job site assault (he worked in the building industry in his own cement rendering business). At about 7 am, having returned to his Sydney suburban home from the train station, after dropping off his wife, Khoury felt unwell and lay down on the bed to sleep.
He woke with a start sometime later, becoming aware of something alighting on the bed. He was shocked to see two strange women kneeling on the end of his bed. Both were naked. One appeared Nordic and the other Asian. Aspects of their appearance were quite odd. The Nordic female had a very elongated face and a sharply pointed chin. Her eyes appeared to be blue and 2 to 3 times larger than normal. She had very fine wispy blonde hair that seemed to be oddly blown up. Her skin colour was quite light. The dark brown skinned Asian looking woman seemed to have almost completely black eyes. Her hair was black and set in a firm page-boy style.


an artists impression of the two alien females
Although no normal communication occurred, the Nordic woman seemed to be in charge and Khoury got the impression she was giving the Asian looking woman some sort of instruction. What followed was quite disorientating for Khoury. The Nordic woman, who seemed to be over 6 feet tall and apparently very strong, reached forward and pulled Khoury's head to her breast. He resisted, trying to pull away. She did this 3 times. Finally Khoury, trying to cope with the shock and disorientating nature of this experience, bit on her nipple apparently swallowing a piece from it. The Nordic woman, although seemingly confused, did not react with any pain and nor was there any sign of blood. She seemed to convey to the other woman that this was not the way things were supposed to happen. Khoury was overcome with a coughing fit. Moments later, looking up again, he found that both woman had vanished.

The coughing caused Khoury to get a drink of water, moments later he went to the bathroom to urinate, he found it very painful to do so, due to, it turned out, some very fine blonde hair wrapped tightly under his foreskin. Khoury removed the hair and had the foresight to place it in a plastic sachet bag with a seal. He did that because he felt there was no way it should be there. It was unlike his wife's hair. Khoury concluded that something extraordinary bizarre had just occurred and linked the 2 pieces of thin hair (about 10-12 cm & 6-8 cm long) to the strange tall, blonde haired Nordic looking woman.

Even though Vivian had been very supportive of him about his 1988 abduction experience, Peter refrained from telling her what occurred for about 2 weeks. She accepted it far better than Peter did, telling him it was something he has no control over and they would deal with it as best as they could.

Like many other abductees Peter Khoury has had a number of experiences. During November, 1996, while in bed with Vivian beside him asleep, he felt an energy presence intruding into the room. He opened his eyes. He saw what seemed to be several small hooded figures (similar to his 1988 experience) appearing to come through the mirror. As they came closer Peter experienced paralysis and felt he was being floated horizontally feet first towards the mirror. Touching the surface of the mirror with his feet felt like he was going into water, like a change of density, not something solid. Khoury felt a sense of electrical static buzzing right through his body. He watched as the reflection of his head approached his face. As soon as they touched, he blacked out. He did not remember anything else other than waking up in the bed again. There were other episodes in about 1994 or early 1995 involving a light burst or sound of an explosion, this being witnessed in part by Vivian. On another occasion he felt a "pins and needles" paralysis developing. He tried to wake Vivian. He was eventually after great difficulty able to touch her. she woke up nd simultaneously it was "like somebody ripped the sheets of him". Peter likened it to as if something was sucked out of him. The feeling had been engulfing him and as soon as he touched Vivian the feeling was gone. Between 1996 and 1999 Khoury is unaware of any experiences.

In 1996, Peter was hypnotically regressed by Pulitzer prize-winning, Harvard psychiatrist John Mack to try to clarify the 1988 experience. Under Mack's regression Peter described being taken into an illuminated room. He was on a table with one entity above him, speaking to him but with a sound like 50 of them. Peter thought at the time, how was he going to remember what the entity told him. The recollection faded and everything went dark again. That was all that came out in the session. Peter has had a couple of regression sessions. He is not satisfied with any of the hypnotic recollections and feels more comfortable with the consciously recollected details, such as those of 1988 and 1992.


(left to right) Prof, John Mack, Peter Khoury, Bill Chalker & Dominique Callimanopulos (photo P. Khoury)
Because of the bizarre and controversial nature of the 1992 episode, Peter was more comfortable describing his 1988 experience. The strange encounter with the 2 unusual woman was discussed and examined in a limited and fragmentary way. It was not until 1996 that I heard from Peter Khoury about the hair sample that had been recovered from what may have been an alien abduction sexual assault case. By 1998, I began an investigation into the hair sample, when biochemical colleagues agreed to undertake what was the world's first PCR (polymerase Chain Reaction) DNA profiling of biological material implicated in an alien abduction experience. The analysis confirmed the hair came from someone who was biologically close to normal human genetics, but of an unusual racial type - a rare Chinese Mongoloid type - one of the rarest human lineages known, that lies further from the human mainstream than any other except for African pygmies and aboriginals. There was the strange anomaly of it being blonde to clear instead of black, as would be expected from the Asian type mitochondrial DNA. The study concluded, "The most probable donor of the hair must therefore be as (Khoury) claims: a tall blonde female who does not need much colour in her hair or skin, as a form of protection against the sun, Perhaps because she does not require it."


An artist's impression of the blonde haired "nordic" being encountered by Peter Khoury in Sydney during 1992.


The DNA sequence overlayed was extracted from the hair sample recovered by Khoury (from the cover of the International UFO Reporter (IUR), Spring, 1999)
Magnafied hair sample showing optical transparency and pronounced mosaic structure. The circles of light are reflections. Photo taken from video (b. Chalker/APEG). The DNA sequence on the left is from the hair shaft.
The original DNA work was done on the shaft of the hair. Fascinating further anomalies on where the mitochondrial DNA testing occurs, namely confirming the rare Chinese type DNA in the shaft and indicating a rare possible Basque/Gaelic type DNA in the root section.


The hair root DNA sequence
This was very puzzling and controversial, until a 'Nature Biotechnology" paper appeared in 2000. It revealed recent findings on hair transplanting with previously incompatible hair, using advanced cloning techniques, developed in a possible cure for baldness. We seem to be seeing similar combined or "grafted" DNA in the sample recovered under controversial circumstances by Peter Khoury back in 1992. Perhaps indicating possible viral resistance. The hair sample seems to show it contains 2 deleted genes for CCR5 protein and no intact gene for normal undeleted CCR5- this CCR5 deletion factor has been implicated in aids resistance. To keep a very complex story somewhat uncomplicated , what seems to be suggested by the range of findings is possible evidence for advanced DNA techniques and DNA anomalies & findings, for which we are only now discovering or starting to make sense of in mainstream biotechnology.

The nature of these genetic findings has lead to some interesting possible connections with ancient cultures, myths and archaeological finds such as the strange Taklamakan mummies in China (tall European like peoples (Celtic ?), some of whom had blonde hair) and the stories of the female Basque God Mari and the Gaelic Irish tales of the Tuatha da Danann. The Tuatha tales describe powerful gods with orange or blonde hair and other unusual attributes. While such cultural and mythic connections are fascinating speculations, they provide for an interesting perspective on the many stories of Nordic type beings implicated in UFO abduction and contact cases.


(left to right) "statuette in the hood"- in ivory from the Aurignacian period, at the Grotte du pape, Bassempouy ("Stone Age Satuette" by J. Ben, FSR Case Histories (19710 from the Musee des Antiquites Nationales at Saint-Germain-en Laye); artist's impression of the female being in the 1957 Antonio Villas Boas event (with blonde hair, sharp angular chin and blue eyes) (Artist Tony Roberts in "UFOs - the definitive casebook" by J. Spencer (1991); reconstructed impression of the face of the" Beauty of Kroran" mummy from Tarim/Tuklamakan, China, with hair described as "blondish-brown" in colour ("The Tarim Mummies" by J. Mallory & V. Mair (2000); artist's impression of the blonde haired, blue eyed and fair skinned female being encountered by Peter Khoury in 1992
Mari - the neolithic Goddes of Old Europe and the primary deity in Basque mythology - has many manifestations, including "as a tree that looks like a woman or a tree emitting flames", "a white cloud or rainbow, or a ball of fire in the air", a "sickle of fire, as which she appears crossing the sky" and "seen enveloped in fire, lying down horizontally, moving through the air".

The records from ancient Ireland describe a whole series of invasions. The "Lebor Gabala Erren" ('The book of the Taking of Ireland" or the " book of invasions"), compiled during the 12th century A.D. describes the coming of the mysterious Tuatha de' Danann or Tribe of Danu. They were apparently tall, blond or red-haired strangers, 'expert in the arts of pagan cunning", who supposedly interbred with the locals, while teaching them many kinds of useful skills. The Lebor Gabala records their dramatic entrance to Ireland as follows:

" In this wise they came, in dark clouds from northern islands of the world. They landed on the mountains of Conmaicne Rein in Connachta, and they brought a darkness over the sun for three days and three nights. Gods were their men of arts, and non-gods their husbandmen."



A golden ship model from 1st century BC Broighter, Ireland. There are many stories of aerial ships or "demon ships" ('loinger demnacda") in the Irish annuals.



Extracts from the Lebor Gabala (top & centre) and an artist's impression of a likeness of the Tuatha people.
According to the mythic tales the Tuatha de' Danann were advanced enough to arrive in western Ireland (near modern Connacht) by air. They divided into two social classes: "gods as teachers of medicine, smithing, communication or druidry, and "non-gods" as farmers or shpherds. Although no one knows for certain what the Tuatha looked loke, descriptions, such as of their female war-leader Eriu, indicate tall attractive people with pale skin, high foreheads, long red hair and large blue eyes. Other descriptions indicate blonde, golden hair and blue eyes. The blonde haired woman in the 1957 abduction of Antonio Villas Boas also had red body hair (pubic hair). She seems remarkably like Peter's female visitor and the description of Eriu. If the Tuatha cross-bred with local humans, they would have left hybrid descendants who look somewhat like themselves.

Further focused DNA analyses of biological samples implicated in alleged alien abduction experiences will help determine the reality behind the claims of abductions and the validity of speculation driven by DNA, historical, cultural and mythic connections.

Some limited funding has permitted the purchase of specialized equipment to further this fascinating and groundbreaking work. Funding has permitted a DNA research presence, co-ordinated by APEG, in a friendly laboratory facility.



THE EQUIPMENT & FACILITY


The heart of the procedure- the PCR express system (1) The imaging & data transfer equipment (2) Specialised freezer (3) & centrifuge (4) PCR & DNA concumables9 chemicals etc (5)
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'New Directions in Alleged Alien Investigation and Research':
A proven focused DNA technique for assessing claims of alien abduction
By Bill Chalker

Many abduction cases exist where alleged biological evidence has been reported. Few of these cases have been the subject of investigations that try to adequately address the question of whether such evidence supports or refutes the possible alien reality behind such experiences. Such events lend themselves to an established forensic DNA profiling technique, which could help establish the credibility of such claims. Since most abduction cases imply a measure of unwanted assault on the victims of such experiences, a forensic approach towards verification of the alleged perpetrators is desirable. Since DNA is the only building block of life that we know, biological specimens recovered in alleged abduction cases would provide researchers with a clear point of comparison.

A key claim by many abduction researchers is that abductions involve some form of genetic agenda. This scenario would require compatibility between aliens and humans. The claims of sexual encounters are alleged to add further support to this scenario. This very element amongst the extraordinary range of fantastic claims made about abductions is one of the major stumbling blocks to the credibility of abduction claims. Mainstream science argues that if alien life exists it is unlikely to be compatible with human life. Hence any claims to the contrary, such as alien abductions, are regarded as absurd.

Therefore this limited and focused DNA profiling technique goes to the very heart of one key claims behind the alleged alien abduction agenda. It provides an opportunity for testing the credibility of such claims. If such claims are true then there should be some compatibility in the DNA of alleged alien specimens, but some possible anomalies may be evident that would perhaps not be readily reconciled with measures of human DNA variability. One established way of undertaking this is to undertake such analysis with the goal to establish a precise DNA base sequence of mitochondrial hypervariable region I, spanning nucleotides 16,000 to 16400 of mitrochondrial DNA. Such is present in hundreds of copies within each human cell, and therefore acts as an easily amplified genetic marker for the polymerase chain reaction (PCR), even in moderately degraded samples, i.e. measuring the DNA variability beyond the documented "human consensus ' of the region of DNA hypervariablity.

This technique has been tested in one abduction case to date, in an investigation undertaken by this writer of a biological sample- a blonde hair- implicated in the abduction of a Sydney man, Peter Khoury, during 1992:

"Strange evidence", International UFO Reporter (IUR), Spring, 1999 issue, Volume 24, No 1, pgs-3-16, 31.
"UFO Abductions & Science - A case study of strange evidence", Australasian Ufologist, Vol,3, No,3, 3rd, 1999, pgs, 43-56.
See a brief summary of the case:
"DNA Sample from Abduction case raises big questions- Mystery blonde leaves hair behind-- but who was she?"
Which can be found on the internet at several sites, including:
http://www.qtm.net/~beibdan/a1999/jun.g9.html (UFO Folklore web site)
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/abduct077.html (Alien Astronomer web site)
The original analysis confirmed the hair came from someone who was biologically close to normal human genetics, but of an unusual racial type - a rare Chinese Mongoloid type- one of the rarest human lineages known, that lies further from the human mainstream than any other except for African pygmies and aboriginals. There was the strange anomaly of it being blonde to clear instead of black, as would be expected from the Asian type mitrochondrial DNA.

The The original DNA work was done on the shaft of the hair. Fascinating further anomalies were found in the root of the hair. Two types of DNA were found depending on where the mitrochondrial DNA testing occurs, namely confirming the rare Chinese type DNA in the shaft and indicating a rare possible Basque/Gaelic type DNA in the root section.

This case confirms the utility of the DNA forensic approach, however the real challenge ahead for researchers is to determine if these anomalies are both valid and significant. To do this researchers in the controversial area of abductions should cooperate with a testing program focused on this specific area of DNA profiling. Testing of a significant number of legitimate samples would provide an opportunity for validation of the unusual anomalies found to date. The further results would add to the database of biological evidence of alleged alien specimens. Such a strategy could help to detriment if aliens are a biological reality and if indeed any are visiting our planet and abducting humans. Perhaps such information could also provide for an interesting perspective on the many stories of Nordic type beings implicated in UFO abduction and contact cases.

The Anomaly Physical Evidence Group (APEG) has been formed to focus attention on biological strategies in abduction investigations. Preliminary funding has facilitated a small laboratory presence addressing this exciting area. The APEG can be contacted through this writer at P.O Box W$@, West Pennant Hills, NSW, 2125, Australia or via bill c@bigpond.com

Anyone who believes they have biological evidence implicated in UFO and Abduction experiences are encouraged to contact the APEG through Bill Chalker. Any such evidence will need to be assessed for its potential as credible evidence warranting the cost, resources and time involved in the DNA focused study:

The UFO Experience Support Association can be contacted via Peter Khoury P.O Box 191 Regents Pk, NSW, 2143, Sydney, Australia or via e-mail: UFOESA@tpg.com.au
Website: www.users.tpg.com.au/UFOESA

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STRANGE EVIDENCE
BY BILL CHALKER

IUR SPRING 1999: Re; Peter Khoury

This is a complex and difficult story to tell. We have taken a hair sample that was allegedly from an alien abduction episode and subjected it to DNA polymerase chain reaction (PCR) analysis a technique that has not been used before in UFO investigation. Without this evidence, the case would be like any other alien abduction account: a bizarre story without any evidence to support its reality.
The evidence we have uncovered suggests connections that may require us to consider new hypotheses on the biological nature of at least some of the beings implicated in alien abduction experiences. Unlike many investigators and researchers in this area, I will not rush to judgment on what all this means. This is the first study of its kind. If we had 100 more like it, we would certainly be a more confident in getting an answer. Some of the professional scientists involved in this work would like to do much more, but they are hampered by a lack of funding and time.

To date, all funding has been from the pockets of the team involved. We would all be happier if increased funding allowed us to undertake such work in a more open and supported way. This study provides a glimpse of what can be done to bring science to bear on physical evidence in abduction cases. If you are able to assist with funding please contact me, c/o P.O. Box W42, West Pennant Hills, NSW 2125, Australia.

BACKGROUND AND PERSPECTIVE

As a scientist, I am aware of the fundamental position that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. How-ever, such evidence also often requires extraordinary inves-tigation and research to obtain it. J. Allen Hynek put his finger on the real problem in a 1981 issue of Frontiers of Science. Sadly, not much has changed. He wrote, “we come face to face with the charge that after 30 years of dealing with UFO reports we still have no really convincing ‘hard data’. . . .

I grow livid when such charges of ‘no data’ are made. After years of frustration without the funds to pay for adequate laboratory and other professional work, I bristle at the lack of understanding on the part of the scientific skeptics, who wouldn’t get to first base without well funded research projects with staff, travel and laboratory facilities. . . . All we have are abortive, often amateurish attempts at data gathering, data analysis, and feeble attempts at laboratory studies (on a charity basis, of course), all of which dwindle into inconclusion and frustration. . . .

It is my contention that ‘hard’ data may well have been present in many UFO cases but their discovery and definitive establishment has repeatedly gone by default for lack of professional (funded) treatment. It has always been a case of ‘too little and too late,’ necessitated by the use of volunteers bolstered only by their unselfish devotion to the pursuit of an overwhelming mystery.”

To date, some compelling evidence has been discovered for the physical reality of mainstream UFO events:
• Physical traces from UFO landing cases; Rosedale, Australia (1980), Transen Provence, France (1981), and Tully, Australia (1966);

• Electromagnetic effects in close encounter incidents, particularly car stalling cases; Levelland, Texas (1957), and Norah Head, Australia (1973);

• Radar-visual encounters; the Sea Fury Australian Navy pilot encounter (1954);

• Physical effects on witnesses the alleged fatalities in Cooktown, Australia (1959), the Texas Cash-Landrum encounter (1980), and the “chupa” encounters in Brazil, where fatalities have been reported; and to a lesser extent, photographic evidence—the Australian Benboyd UFO movie (1976).

Similar evidence to support the reality of abduction events has been lacking or not compelling. And yet such events have come to dominate the entire UFO scene. Indeed, we have the extraordinary problem that the abduction phenomenon is now seen as the core of ufology. The UFO phenomenon itself has been abducted by the alien abduc-tion phenomenon. Until we have gained a much greater certainty about abduction data, it should not be central to our understanding of the UFO mystery.

We are much more certain about the physical dimensions of the mainstream UFO phenomenon. We shouldn’t abandon the firm foundations developed over decades for the extraordinary uncer ainties and fantastic claims that dominate the field today.

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STRANGE EVIDENCE: Peter Khoury interview
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BY BILL CHALKER

IUR SPRING 1999 Peter Khoury pt1

Most of the Australian abduction cases I have researched since the 1970s have perhaps told me more about the human condition than they have about UFOs. Some may wish to argue the point, but the majority of these cases have been conspicuously devoid of compelling physical evidence. The 1993 Narre Warren incident is one of the few compelling exceptions. Here we are dealing with an event that appears to involve physical evidence and three groups of apparently independent witnesses who may confirm a disquieting reality.

A woman, Kelly Cahill, contacted me on October 4, 1993, seeking assistance in understanding a bizarre experience she had near the Melbourne suburban housing estate of Narre Warren North, in the foothills of the Dandenongs, Victoria, between Belgrave and Fountain Gate, during the early hours of August 8, 1993.

This incident has been now extensively documented. My own account of the complex episode has appeared in “An Extraordinary Encounter in the Dandenong Foothills” (IUR, Sept./Oct. 1994), and also in my book The Oz Files (1996), pp. 9–16. Keith Basterfield described the case in his UFOs: A Report on Australian Encounters (1997), pp. 123– 128, and Kelly Cahill has written about the incident herself in her book Encounter (1996).

The incident appears to involve independent confirma-tion of a CE3 and missing time in that at least two and possibly three groups of people unknown to each other witnessed the same UFO and entities, and experienced missing time. Perhaps for the first time, independent wit-nesses have offered strikingly similar information, thus making a convincing case for the reality of the strange events described.

This reality is further strengthened by a range of apparently related physical traces, including ground traces, a low-level magnetic anomaly apparently consistent with the location of the UFO encounter, and effects on some of the witnesses. I referred Kelly Cahill to John Auchettl and his group Phenomena Research Australia (PRA).

They had two different laboratories confirm several unusual anomalies and magnetic problems at the apparent site of the UFO landing. Some interesting changes in soil chemistry were detected— an above-average sulphur content, the presence of pyrene (which occurs in coal tar and is also obtained by the destructive hydrogenation of hard coal), and tannic acid— in a crescent-shaped indentation. There was a triangular formation of dead grass on the ground, spaced out in the site.

These physical dimensions represent compelling evi-dence for a reality underlying abduction events. The case is a striking example of the importance of focusing on the physical evidence for extraordinary UFO events. Such a strategy will provide for insight into the nature and purpose of UFO activity. However, cases like Narre Warren are rare. Most abduction events have little or no direct, unambiguous evidence. Implants, missing fetuses, scars, and other abduction- related anomalies still have not been sufficiently sub-stantiated.

Over the years, I have been fortunate to have been able to work with an informal network of scientists who all view the UFO phenomenon as worthy of serious attention. (Many of my “invisible college” colleagues prefer to contribute anonymously because the UFO problem is seen as a forbid-den science.

The frustrating thing is not that many scientists are skeptical about UFOs, but that they ignore what is often powerful evidence. However, the impact of the “court of science” and the “politics of science” is powerful, so ufology has not yet won the support of mainstream science.) One approach we have been investigating is biological, involving the use of powerful DNA techniques to examine physical evidence from abduction episodes.


Indeed, if these bizarre events occur at some physical level (at least as we understand it), then potential physical DNA evidence should be available. We have been studying some specimens, in particular a controversial hair sample. As the following report will show, we have undertaken a mitochondrial DNA Sequence analysis of a hair follicle from an apparent alien abduction case. This method has allowed us to provide a measure of reality to an experience that would otherwise be deemed just too bizarre.

Without this level of scientific validation, the incident would be no less unbelievable than most other abduction episodes. But now the case has the benefit of scientific evidence that lends it credibility and hints at unusual and hitherto unsuspected connections. ALIENS AND HAIR? Most aliens in abduction episodes, particularly the so-called “grays,” are described as hairless, but in a significant number of cases hair is mentioned. Tall, Nordic-like beings have been reported, as in the Travis Walton case of 1975. Separate from his initial encounter with small, fetuslike aliens, Walton reported seeing three tall humanoids, two men and a woman, each similar in appearance and with the same coarse, brownish-blonde hair.

The woman’s hair was longer, past her shoulders. There are many other cases like this. The apparently bald grays have only dominated abduc-tion reports in the last two decades, especially since Whitley Strieber’s Communion (1987). Budd Hopkins in Intruders (1987) described “hybrid children” with thin, wispy hair. David Jacobs in The Threat (1998) records extensive abductee interactions with human-looking hybrids. The concept of hybrids in abduction accounts is diffi-cult to reconcile with our current understanding of the limitations of interspecies breeding.

Indeed, given the pos-sibility that we may be dealing with a vastly technologi-cally superior species that is very likely biologically differ-ent from us, alien-human hybrids seem both scientifically improbable and logically implausible. We might reason that if aliens have visited us through advanced space travel or some space-time wormhole, the barriers to combining different biochemical building blocks might have also been solved. But, even then, why create such hybrids? Maybe David Jacobs’s scenario should be turned on its head: Perhaps alien-human hybrids are a cover for a much simpler agenda—the preservation of our stock, not theirs.

But this is wild, unsubstantiated speculation. Michael Swords has presented some excellent reviews of this problem in “Extra-terrestrial Hybridization Unlikely,” MUFON UFO Jour-nal, November 1988, and “Modern Biology and the Extra-terrestrial Hypothesis” in the MUFON 1991 International UFO Symposium Proceedings. An entertaining discussion of the problems can also be found in Jeanne Cavelos’s book The Science of the X-Files (see the chapter on “Grays, Hybrids, and UFOs”).

Peter Khoury: I now turn to Peter Khoury, the individual whose abduction experience was the focus of the DNA-sequence PCR study. In order to give an accurate and complete account of the affair, I need to paint a picture of the abduction milieu that has focused on him. Many people are searching for answers for a profound mystery—an abduction experience— that has intruded into their lives. Some will be well-served by ethical and profes-sional UFO researchers.

Others may encounter extreme elements within the UFO community or the skeptical con-tingent. Fortunately, if difficulties occur there are alterna-tives. Support groups, for example, have sprung up in many Australian states; if properly run, they serve an important function. One of the most notable examples of the support group concept in Australia has been the UFO Experience Support Association (UFOESA) based in Sydney.

It emerged out of frustrations with the formal UFO-group structure. It de-scribes itself as “a nonprofit, voluntary organization dedi-cated to helping witnesses and experiencers of UFO events cope with and understand their encounters.” UFOESA’s coordinator, Peter Khoury, was born in Lebanon in 1964 and migrated to Australia in 1973 where he met his future wife Vivian at school in 1981.

They married in 1990 and have two children, Stephen (born in 1995) and Georgia (1998). Peter works in the building industry, and has had his own business in cement rendering. Peter’s introduction to UFOs was modest to begin with. In February 1988 he and Vivian had seen a strange light making extraordinary movements in conjunction with a beam of light. Vivian had also gotten him to read Shirley MacLaine’s Out on a Limb (1986).

These were hardly momentous entrées, but all that changed with a shattering and life-changing experience in July 1988. This is how Peter described it: On the 12th July 1988, I had an experience which changed my life. While . . . lying on my bed, I felt something grab my ankles. As I felt this, a strange numbness, tingling and churning sensation crawled up through my body and right up to my head. I was paralyzed, I could not move any part of my body but for the exception of my eyes which I could move, open, or close.

My brain was functioning but I could not do anything physically. I tried to call out to family mem-bers but I could not force the words out. At this stage I started to panic, thinking I would not walk again. I thought I was truly paralyzed. All of a sudden I looked to my right side and I could see three or four figures wearing dark robes with hoods on their heads. Their faces were very wrinkled and shiny dark black in color. They were only about three to four feet in height. It was then that communication was made telepathically.

There was no sound made, yet I could hear the message in my mind. I was told not to worry and I would not be harmed and to relax. As I moved my eyes and looked to the left side I noticed two beings who looked so different from the others. These two were thin, tall with big black eyes and a narrow chin. They were gold-yellow in color. The one closest to my head communicated with me telepathi-cally, telling me not to worry, it would be like the last time. He looked at me with those big black eyes and I could feel the emotion through them.

It was the eyes that expressed these feelings. You could see the smile in the eyes. It was at this stage that I noticed a long needle-like, flexible crystal tube. The being then pointed the needle to the top left side of my head and inserted it. It was then that I blanked out. The next thing I remember I was conscious. I jumped out of bed like a flash, I walked into the TV room where my dad and brother were. I noticed they were asleep. I woke my brother up—he looked dazed and lost. As he put it, he felt switched off. I asked him how long it had been since I went to my room.

He replied about 10 minutes, which was how long I thought it had been. When I left the TV room a film was just starting, yet The two female aliens. as I spoke to my brother we realized that the TV station was closed and at least one to two hours had passed by. The next day I spoke to my [fiancée] Vivian. I explained to her what had happened through the night. As I touched the spot where the needle was inserted, I discovered some dried blood under my finger nail. Vivian took a closer look and noticed a puncture hole and blood. I went to my family doctor and asked for a check up.

The doctor spotted the puncture mark in-stantly and commented that I must have hit my head on a nail at work. When I tried to explain what had happened I was laughed at. I had nowhere to go for help, no one to discuss the incident with. It was frustrating to experience something so bizarre, so strange, yet so real. I ask you all to think about the situation abductees are in. What if you became a victim of the same circum-stances? Wouldn’t you want someone to listen to you and feel confident in the fact that the people you are reporting your experience to understand and support you?

I ask you once again to be open-minded to the fact that there are many individuals experiencing this phe-nomenon throughout the word. It takes a lot of courage simply to “come out” and tell a story like this. It takes strength of character to go the extra step by trying to help others in similar circumstances. Peter and other people like him are to be encouraged to follow their convictions. Researchers have no exclusive mandate on the right approach, but can offer advice, perspective, and (perhaps where appropriate) a critical comment to keep experiencers from getting caught beyond their depth in the less desirable aspects of fringe UFO culture.

Immediately after this July 1988 experience Peter had nothing to focus his anxiety and confusion about the epi-sode. He also had physical scars on his body that were apparently connected to the experience, including a biopsy- like puncture mark on his shin. He was not aware of abduc-tion cases and struggled for understanding. His own Leba-nese background and Vivian’s Greek ancestry provided no comfort. Family members even suggested he had encoun-tered St. Charbel, a 19th-century Lebanese Catholic monk, apparently because of the presence of robes.

This explana-tion offered no comfort for Peter. Months later, while driving, Vivian and Peter were shocked to see a petrol station billboard with the now familiar Strieber gray-alien face. Peter saw that it was very similar to the creatures he had seen. The poster was promot-ing the paperback version of Communion, so they acquired the book. Vivian read it first, remarking to Peter that he was not going to believe what he would read. Peter found it was like a checklist for his own bizarre encounter. He went through it and at each significant detail was saying “yes, yes, yes, no, no, yes” to the various aspects.

There was much in common and just as much not in common. However, as far as Peter was concerned he had some sort of context to anchor his own strange experience. It was a start. Getting further assistance proved difficult. Profes-sional help was not forthcoming. While the cost of hypno-therapy was daunting, as soon as he mentioned why he wanted it Peter found that no one would help him. Eventu-ally he heard about a UFO group that was about to have its first meeting. He went along and entered the uncertain world of ufology, complete with investigation, research, speculation and (alas) politicking. Soon he found himself being the group’s “abduction coordinator.”


He stayed with them for about a year, until petty politics took its toll. He found that the time spent there did not help him understand his own experience. For people who professed to be re-searching the subject, he felt he knew a lot more about it and was more sensitive to the complex needs of people who had gone through such episodes. As a result, on April 14, 1993, he formed the UFO Experience Support Association. W hile this allowed him to assist others with simi-lar experiences, Peter found that things had not ended for himself. In July 1992 he had the bizarre expe-rience that would become the focus of this study.

Because of the discovery of the hair and the sexual nature of the experience, Peter was not at all confident talking about it. He found the courage to talk to the UFO group he had originally joined but they didn’t seem all that interested. Even within his own support group, while it was per-haps more thoughtfully considered, ulti-mately nothing was done about it. Although I started to talk to Peter about his original 1988 encounter in 1993, it was three years later that he told me about his 1992 episode and showed me the Biopsy-like mark on Peter Khoury’s shin. hair sample for the first time.

My focus at that time was on more conventional investigations, but I kept in mind the fact that a hair sample had been recovered from what may have been an alien-abduction sexual assault case. What to do about it? Initially there was little I could do. However, by early 1998 my circle of “invisible college” colleagues had ex-panded to include some biochemists. Our discussions then led to the fact that such techniques as polymerase chain reaction (PCR) amplification and sequencing of mitochon-drial DNA on the hair sample might be an opportunity to do some real science in an area that has been dominated by wild claims and theories.

Though the prospects for a break-through would be very small, a biochemical approach to abductions could prove enlightening. I think this study has demonstrated that, but it also has the added bonus of identifying some intriguing anomalies. After becoming aware of the 1992 episode, I discussed it informally with Peter on a number of occasions. When it became clear that the biochemical analysis was producing some interesting results, I sat down with him and conducted an extended interview on February 8, 1999. Nothing that emerged from that interview contradicted or exaggerated the recollections he had described to me intermittently since 1996.

I have found Peter to be a friendly and reliable person. He has at times become passionate and volatile about his cause and does not suffer anyone who doubts the integrity of those who genuinely feel they have experienced an abduction. He keeps an open mind on the nature of these experiences, but he calls for serious and ethical research and support of abductees. Over the course of the past six years Peter and I have become friends.

Given the nature of Peter’s 1992 experience, it is best if we learn of it from his own words, from my recent interview.

BC: Peter, we have talked a few times in the past about this experience from June or July of 1992. [The actual date was July 23, 1992, as confirmed by his diary.] Can you tell me, in your own words, what happened then?

PK: Well, basically it was at a time I had had head injuries and I was on medication, and I was pretty sick.

BC: What were the head injuries about?

PK: I got attacked at a job site by three guys. I was hit with shovels on the head; trowels were thrown at me. So I had pretty bad injuries. I suffered a lot of pain. I was on a lot of medication. Because of that I would vomit constantly, particularly in the morning. I know there was one time I vomited about 10 times, and that was just while driving Vivian from home to the station, which is about three minutes away by car.

I had to pull up about 10 times. I would just get sick. But I remember one morning, I had driven Vivian to the station. I did pull up a few times and get sick. I drove back home and got back into bed, at about 7 [in the morning], It took a couple of minutes . . . and I was asleep. All of a sudden, it was about 7:30, I just sat bolt upright in bed for some reason. I was totally asleep and all of a sudden I sat straight up. I noticed that there were two females on the bed. At the time I was still sort of waking up.

In that state of trying to wake up, put my senses together, I noticed there were two females on the bed. The way I was looking at it, it smeed like I was looking through the back of my head, through my eyes, , watching myself, I could see myself in front. I could see the back view of me. It is really hard to explain, but I was virtually looking through my image in front of me. I was watching this and I could see myself as well as the other two women.

BC: How were these two women seated on the bed?

PK: Well one was opposite me, directly opposite me. It was on a double bed, so there was a lot of room. The one opposite me was a blonde-looking woman and she was sitting with her legs tucked under her back side. She was virtually sitting on her calves. . . . The one on the other side was kneeling halfway, she wasn’t actually sitting down .
As far as the description of these women, one of them was blonde and the other was dark-haired and oriental-looking. I’ll describe the blonde one first. She was . . . in her mid-thirties; she had good skin; the hair was pretty weird, for the morning, anyway. You don’t see a woman get up with makeup and her hair all done up. Hher hair was done up like the wind was hitting it, like it was blown back. It was different. I had never seen a hair style like that; it was something like Farrah Fawcett, but to an extreme . . . It just looked really exotic in a way . . . Her facial features . . . she had protruding cheeks, very high cheeks. The nose was long; I wouldn’t say too long, such as a big nose; but long as in stretched in proportion with the face, because it was a long face;Her eyes were two to three times bigger than our eyes. I looked at the eyes and I knew I wasn’t looking at a human female. . . . Not forgetting that I had previous experiences . . . I connected it straight away, to something of that kind. She looked humanoid, and human in features. Her mouth and her lips were normal in size.

BC: What about the shape of the face?

PK: The shape of the face was longer than usual. It was as if it was somehow stretched . . . just longer, longer than ours, pointier than ours. . . .The head just didn’t look right. It was longer and narrower than a human being for example. Her body . . . she had normal female breasts. She was naked . . . I didn’t notice anything different about her body. . . .She had average-sized breasts, well proportioned. The only thing that looked different to me was the face, in that it was longer than ours, the eyes were two to three times bigger than ours. . . . The chin was pointier . . . . The hair covered the ears .
Her hair came down to about halfway down her back . The hair looked really exotic . . . it looked wispy in a way; although it looked nicely done, it looked to me like it was frail . . . it was flimsy . . . it wasn’t very strong hair. She reached out and grabbed onto me and grabbed me with both of her hands, from the back of my head.
The blonde one was directly opposite me and when I sat upright she was probably two feet away from me. The other one was to the right and sitting on the side of the bed . . . . When I looked at her I got the impression that she was watching the blonde one and learning how to interact. She was just there with this concentrated-like look . . . she was watching my reactions to the blonde.

BC: What about the musculature? Were they thin-boned or were they muscular?

PK: Well the impression I got from the blonde one was that she was very tall. I would say she was a foot and a half higher than me. [Peter is 182 cm tall, 71.7 inches or approximately six feet.] . . . she was a lot taller than me, that’s for sure.

The dark-haired woman looked Asian. . . she would be average height, 5 feet 8 or so.
Her features also weren’t completely human—the cheekbones reminded me of an Asian woman, but too extreme, it was as if she had been punched in the cheeks by Mike Tyson or something. . . . The cheeks were too puffy; the eyes were too big once again, about the same size as the other one; her eyes were dark, almost black; I don’t remember seeing white in the eyes. . . . The blonde had light-colored eyes, maybe bluish. . . . She had normal, human-looking eyes except for the size. But the other one, it was like looking at a TV screen, that tone of dark.

BC: What about skin tone?

PK: One was light (the blonde). She was like a normal westerner, the tone of the skin was very light. The other one had darker skin, darker than an Asian woman, maybe like . . . from India, that darker tone of color.
Her skin tone was very dark. . . . Looking at both females, and noticeing these differences . . . I knew that I was not looking at a human female. . . . The Asian woman’s face . . . looked more human than the other one . . . except for the eyes and cheekbones . She had straight black hair down to her shoulders, I didn’t see her hair move, It looked like a vale, like a head set, it looked like it didn’t fit there.
I have never seen a human looking like that. The blonde one was showing the dark-haired one how it’s supposed to be done or how to interact or . . . whether it was a sexual interaction. . . . I don’t know.

PK: I had come back from dropping my wife off at the station. I got back into bed at about 7:05 a.m. I was clothed. I’d had a shower the night before and Went to bed. Fell asleep. Got up in the morning, drove my wife to the station, came back home, I felt really ill, so I went straight back to bed. At about 7:30 I sat bolt upright in bed.
I don’t know why. There was no reason for it . . . my eyes open and there were those two women there. . . . I was like . . . What is going on? What’s happening here?
Although I had been involved in the UFO field and I had come across a lot of cases . . . I don’t think I had come across a case where an abduction experience had occurred during the day or morning hours—It’s always been night-time or early hours such as three— never during daylight. I knew I was looking at something that didn’t belong in my room or in my house, but there they were. If I didn’t have the hair sample as proof for myself, I would say that I was on enough drugs, pain killers, etc., to maybe hallucinate .

BC: What sort of things were you on?

PK: Panadeine Forte [a pain medication].

BC: Not generally known for their hallucinogenic properties.

PK: I was put on Prozac, but I only took one tablet. I read up on it ( Prozac )and I was not confident in what I found.

BC: Were you suffering from fevers?

PK: No just a lot of headaches, pain, severe migraines, a lot of vomiting, a lot of dizziness. But no I wasn’t hallucinating. I got injured in March and I had been on medication all along up until the experience and even after. Around that time I felt I was being given too many different medications, so I approached the doctors and narrowed it down and just basically started taking Panadeine Forte and Voltarin . . . for six to seven months after that. When I had extreme headaches I would take up to three Panadeine Forte and that’s really it.

BC: Getting back to the two women on the bed, you said the dark-haired one was looking as if she was being shown what to do, what was the right thing to do. What happened then?

PK: Well, I looked at the blonde one. When I noticed there were two there I was like trying to analyze how they got there first. Like, someone’s broken into the house. It was just such a shock to me to wake up to see that.

BC: Had the front door been locked?

PK: Oh yes, the front door would have been locked. It would be very hard for me to find two women who looked like these ones, especially the blonde one. You get Asians, and they would say the same about us, but they all seem to look alike. If I had a lineup of 10 Asian women and she was in the line up, I would pick her out, because she had distinctive features.

The expression on her face was blank. you know when you look at someone and you see a sparkle in their eye, you know they’re alive, I didn’t see that in their eyes. It was just like looking at someone with a glass eye . . . there was something missing. . . . The Asian one in particular—her stare was just straight at us, just watching, analyzing what’s going on.
The blonde's actions as far as I was concerned were clinical . . . no emotion whatsoever. She just basically reached out and grabbed me from the back of the head with both her hands. She cupped the back of my head and forced me towards her breast, towards her left breast. I resisted and she forced me to her breast again, I resisted, she forced me a third time, pulling me towards her. She was pretty strong . . . when I’d resist she would pull me straight back with ease . . . She pulled me over and my mouth was basically on her nipple, I could not breath so I bit a small piece off.

BC: Why did you do that?

PK: I don’t know. I’ve asked myself many times. I know how much it would hurt a woman if you did bite her nipple. I swallowed it and it was stuck in my throat for three days. I don’t know why I did it. I don’t know whether it was like a defense thing for me to get away from her. I know there might be a lot of people who will say this is a sexual fantasy or whatever. I’ve been around. I’ve been with two women. It wasn’t a cosmic experience for me, it was normal. I haven’t done it again. I didn’t think it was that great. It’s just normal, nothing to write home about. . . . I think that my biting her nipple was the only way I could say that I didn’t want to do this. When I did bite her nipple I’ve pushed back and the expression on her face was like “this isn’t the way.”

In a way it was shock or confusion. Like this isn’t the way it’s supposed to be. She looked at the Asian one, I remember, her looking over. They looked straight at each other’s face and looked at me like this isn’t the way it’s suppose to happen. You’ve done this wrong. I’m swallowing and there is this thing stuck in my throat and I started coughing, and as soon as I started having this coughing fit that’s when everything stopped, they weren’t there anymore. I got out of bed.

BC: How do you mean?

PK: They just vanished. One second they were there, then they were gone. The thing is that when I bit her nipple she didn’t scream, she didn’t bleed or cry, she didn’t react at all to the pain. No way at all was there any pain associated with what I did. That really put a big question mark on what was going on. Like, what the hell was going on?
There was no blood, there was nothing, no trace whatsoever. It was if I took a bite out of a plastic dummy or mannequin that was made of rubber or something. When I bit the nipple it felt to me as if I had bitten a little bit of elastic band for example, rubbery substance. I started to cough, got this coughing fit and I might have taken my eyes of them for a split second I think, then I’ve looked up and they weren’t there any more. I got out of bed coughing, really bad coughing. I had some-thing stuck in the back of my throat that I was trying to cough out. I remember getting a glass of water, having a drink, didn’t do anything, walked straight to the bathroom to use the toilet.

BC: Before you got to that point and you had the glass of water, were you aware between the time of coughing and being aware that they weren’t there was there any sense of continuity of time?

PK: Oh yes, I don’t believe I blacked out. I don’t think so.
BC: What about this sense you described earlier of having viewed most of this through the sense of being behind yourself and seeing through you?
PK: Well that’s what I mean. Soon as I had this coughing fit I’ve looked up and they were gone and I was looking through my own eyes. There was nothing there. It was just me on the bed. But the whole time when this was happening I had the feeling as if I was . . . looking through the back of my own head and through my own eyes . . . as a second person looking through. It was really weird. It was like looking through binoculars, but through the back of my own head.
I was watching myself having this experience . . . I don’t know how to understand it myself, it’s pretty weird, you know, being involved in the field you would think you would have some answers. It’s ridiculous.

BC: Why did you go and drink some water?

PK: Well, to wash this thing down. . . . There was definitely something stuck in my throat. I had a coughing fit that went for hours, for three days. I tried bread. My mum called a couple of times during the day and heard me coughing over the phone. She told me just eat some bread and wash it down. Not that I told her what it was.
I spoke to Vivian on the phone.

BC: When did you speak to her?

PK: It would have been half an hour after it happened.

BC: What did you say to her?

PK: She would have just got into work. about 8:30 I spoke to her. she heard me coughing and asked what was wrong, I said I’ve got this thing stuck in my throat. I’ve been trying to wash it down. It won’t go. It’s annoying. I said to her, “When you come home I just want to talk to you about something,” and left it at that. I waited until she came home. While I was home on my own I was coughing. I was trying to drink. But after the first glass of water I went into the bathroom to use the toilet.

BC: Why was that? Did you feel . . .

PK: I had to go to the toilet.

BC: Would that have been normal at that time?

PK: Not really, I had a strong urge to go to the toilet. I had a glass of water and that even made it more so that I needed to go. I went to the toilet. As I said before I had a shower the night before. Then I went straight to bed. Vivian and I just fell asleep. Nothing happened. Basically I was in that much pain when I tried to use the toilet I thought my **** was slashed. It felt like it was cut up and it was just burning. It was just too painful. I pulled the foreskin back, wrapped around the head and part of my **** was this hair, really tightly wrapped, and there was an-other little hair that was also intertwined. . . . It really, really hurt. it was so painful. It was like a nylon string, and it was going to cut me off. . . . I untangled it. It was really painful to untangle to . . . not that it cut me, though. But it felt really, really painful to take it off.

When I eventually took it off, I went into my office and grabbed a plastic sachet bag, I put the hair in and sealed it. The reason I did that was because I knew that there was no way, no way at all, that a hair that size and wrapped around the way it was should have been there, and thinking of these women, the thing in my throat, the hair, something bizarre had just happened. I’m glad now I actually kept the sample, because as you know I’ve kept it for quite a few years.

BC: Given the set of circumstances that you actually recollect how do you connect this with the women, because you have described the sense that there was no sort of break in continuity, they were there . . . then you’ve looked up and they were gone, then there was this sense of this hair there.

PK: I don’t know if something happened before I drove Vivian to the station and it continued when I got back. I don’t know if it started as soon as I went back to sleep.

BC: Well, lets get back to your sense of awareness of lying on the bed, and then suddenly upright. I think you mentioned to me before there was this sense of either something going onto the bed like a cat jumping on the bed.

PK: Yes. Maybe, that’s what woke me up. It was a feeling like something. light stepped. on the bed . . . [It is] a normal, conventional bed, base ensemble, with a mattress and bed head . . . a very firm bed. If someone sat on it, you would notice. maybe that’s what made me sit bolt upright—the movement, feeling something on the bed, but for two women to be on the bed, the movement was too light.

BC: Can you just describe what sort of clothing you were in at the time?

PK: Track suit pants and a sloppy joe [sweatshirt] . . . and just normal jocks .

BC: When you had this awareness, this encounter with two ladies after it ended and you were coughing, were you aware of your clothing being messed about or was it just as if you were dressed the same way as you went to bed?

PK: No, I was dressed the same way I went to bed, the only thing is the coughing didn’t stop. . . . I recall when Vivian came home, I said to her some-thing happened, but I was not ready to talk about it yet, I explained to her that when I was able to talk to her about my experience she should connect it to the coughing fits. If I tell you in a week, a month, whenever I tell you, connect the two.
she said, Yes no problem, it took me over two weeks to talk about it.

BC: Why?

PK: I don’t know, in a way I felt guilty. Then I realised that I had no control over what happened, at the same time I thought how was Vivian going to deal with this. I mean . . . we were married, we didn’t have kids at the time. . . . Like, how am I going to explain it to her. How is she going to feel, how is she going to deal with it. Is she going to feel threatened? . . . She surprised me actually. Two weeks down the track [on August 14] I said to her, “Look, remember when I had the coughing fit?” She said, “Yes.” I said, this is what happened and there were these females on the bed, etc., I asked her, what do you think about it.
She said, “It’s not like something you can control, it’s not like you’re inviting a woman over while I’m not here. What can we do about it?” I was shocked. . . . She accepted it better than I did.


BC: What did you do about it at the


Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 03, 2008, 12:19:09 am
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Ran across this really long list of movies, YV shows and video games that feature aliens that I would like to share with everyone:

ALIENS

ALIENS: MOVIES AND TV-MOVIES ABOUT ALIENS

Updated 26 May 2003 (added 66 titles 2000-2003) (33 kilobytes)

courtesy of The Internet Movie Database:


20 Million Miles to Earth (1957)
...aka Beast from Space, The (1957)
...aka Giant Ymir, The (1957)
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
"3rd Rock from the Sun" (1996) TV Series
...aka "Life As We Know It" (1996)
Abyss, The (1989)
Ace of Space, The (1953)
...aka Popeye, the Ace of Space (1953)
"ALF" (1986) TV Series
Alien (1979)
Alien Abduction: Incident in Lake County (1998) (TV)
...aka Incident in Lake County (1998) (TV)
Alien Agenda: Out of the Darkness (1996)
Alien Autopsy, The (1997) (TV)
Alien Contamination (1981)
...aka Contamination (1981)
...aka Contamination: Alien on Earth (1981)
...aka Toxic Spawn (1981) (video title) (cut version)
Alien Factor, The (1977)
Alien Fury: Countdown to Invasion (2000) (TV)
...aka Alien Fury (2000) (TV) (USA)
...aka Countdown to Invasion (TV) (English title: International release)
Alien Gods (2003) (TV)
Alien Holocaust (1998) (V)
"Alien Hunter" (2001) TV Series
Alien Love Triangle (2001)
Alien Nation (1989) (TV)
Alien Nation: Dark Horizon (1994) (TV)
Alien Nation: Body and Soul (1995) (TV)
Alien Nation: Millennium (1996) (TV)
Alien Nation: The Enemy Within (1996) (TV)
Alien Nation: The Udara Legacy (1997) (TV)
Alien Predator (1987)
...aka Alien Predators (1987)
...aka Cosmos mortal (1987) (Spain: dubbed version)
...aka Falling, The (1987)
Alien Prey (1984)
...aka Prey (1984)
Alien Terminator (1995)
Alien: Resurrection (1997)
...aka Alien 4 (1997)
"Alienators: Evolution Continues" (2001) TV Series
... aka "Evolution: the Animated Series" (2001) (UK)
Aliens (1986)
Aliens Among Us (2002) (TV)
Aliens Are Coming, The (1980) (TV)
Alien3 (1992)
"Aliens in the Family" (1996) TV Series
"Aliens Next Door" (1989) TV Series
Amagaedun uzu (1986)
...aka Space Armageddon (1986) (Asia: English title)
American Beauty (1999)
Andromeda Strain, The (1971)
Apple Jack (2001)
Are We Alone in the Universe? (1978)
Arena (1991)
"Argento Soma" (2000) TV Series
Arrival, The (1996)
...aka Shockwave (1996)
Astronomy of Errors (2000)
Atomic Submarine, The (1959)
Avaruuden teurastajat (1996) (V)
"Babylon 5" (1994) TV Series
Babylon 5: A Call to Arms (1999) (TV)
...aka Call to Arms, A (1999) (TV)
Babylon 5: In the Beginning (1998) (TV)
...aka In the Beginning (1998) (TV)
Babylon 5: The Gathering (1993) (TV)
...aka B5 (1993) (TV) (USA: promotional abbreviation)
...aka Babylon 5 (1993) (TV) (USA)
Babylon 5: The Legend of the Rangers: To Live and Die in Starlight (2002) (TV)
...aka Legend of the Rangers: Babylon 5 (2002) (TV) (USA promotional title)
Babylon 5: Thirdspace (1998) (TV)
...aka Thirdspace (1998) (TV) (USA)
...aka Thirdspace: A Babylon 5 Adventure (1998) (TV) (USA: promotional title)
Bad Taste (1987)
*batteries not included (1987)
Battlefield Earth: A Saga of the Year 3000 (2000)
...aka Battlefield Earth (2000) (USA: short title)
Beast with a Million Eyes, The (1955)
...aka Beast with 1,000,000 Eyes, The (1955)
Bio-Tech Warrior (1996)
Bladesphere (1993)
Blob, The (1958)
Blood Suckers from Outer Space (1984)
...aka Bloodsuckers from Outer Space (1984)
Body Snatchers (1993)
Brain from Planet Arous, The (1957)
Breach of the Peace (1994) (V)
...aka Stranger: Breach of the Peace, The (1994) (V) (UK: complete title)
Breeders (1986)
The Brother from Another Planet (1984)
"Bureau of Alien Detectors" (1996) TV Series
Caballero del drag—n, El (1985)
...aka Knight of the Dragon, The (1985)
...aka Star Knight (1993) (USA: video title)
Can of Worms (1999) (TV)
Cape Canaveral Monsters, The (1960)
Caught In the Spray (1998)
Cherez ternii k zvyozdam (1981)
...aka Humanoid Woman (1981)
...aka Per Aspera Ad Astra (1981)
...aka To the Stars by Hard Ways (1982) (USA)
...aka ߁ñò ïñ냃 è òx£ò€çê (1981) (Soviet Union: Russian title: original
Cyrillic KOI8-R title)
Chikyu Boeigun (1957)
...aka Defence Force of the Earth (1957)
...aka Earth Defense Force (1957)
...aka Mysterians, The (1957)
Children of the Damned (1963)
"Ch™jikž kidan Southern Cross" (1984) TV Series
...aka "Super Dimensional Cavalry Southern Cross" (1984)
"Chronicle, The" (2001) TV Series
... aka "News from the Edge" (2001) (USA)
Chubbchubbs!, The (2002)
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
Cocoon (1985)
Cocoon: The Return (1988)
Communion (1989)
Coneheads (1993)
Coneheads, The (1983) (TV)
Conker's Bad Fur Day (2001) (Videogame)
Contact (1997)
Cosmic Christmas, A (1977) (TV)
Creature (1985)
...aka Titan Find (1985) (USA)
...aka Titan Find, The (1985) (UK: video title)
Creature Wasn't Nice, The (1981)
...aka Naked Space (1981)
...aka Spaceship (1981)
Creeping Terror, The (1964)
...aka Crawling Monster, The (1964)
...aka Dangerous Charter (1964)
Critters (1986)
Critters 2: The Main Course (1988)
Critters 3 (1991)
Critters 4 (1991) (V)
"Crusade" (1999) TV Series
Cumulus 9 (1992)
...aka C-9 (1992) (USA)
...aka Cloud 9 (1992)
...aka Cumulus 9 (1992) (USA)
Dark Breed (1996)
Dark City (1998)
Dark Seed (1992) (VG)
...aka Darkseed (1992) (VG)
Dark Seed II (1995) (VG)
...aka Darkseed II (1995) (VG)
"Dark Skies" (1996) TV Series
Dark Star (1973)
Dark, The (1979)
...aka Mutilator, The (1979)
Day Mars Invaded Earth, The (1962)
The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)
Day the World Ended, The (2001) (TV)
Deep Space (1987)
"Deepwater Black" (1997) TV Series ...aka "Mission Genesis" (1997)
Destination Inner Space (1966)
...aka Terror of the Deep (1966)
Dig, The (1995) (VG)
Dirty Pair: Project Eden (1987)
Drachenland (1999)
...aka Dragonland (1999) (Europe: English title)
Dragon Fighter (2003) (V)
Dreamcatcher (2003) under-rated Stephen King adaptation
Duck Dodgers in the 24 1/2th Century (1953)
Dude, Where's My Car? (2000)
ET: The Extraterrestrial (1982)
...aka E.T. (1982) (USA: short title)
Earth 2 (1994) (TV)
Earth Girls Are Easy (1989)
Earth vs. the Flying Saucers (1956)
...aka Invasion of the Flying Saucers
"Earth: Final Conflict" (1997) TV Series
...aka "Gene Roddenberry's Battleground Earth" (1997) (USA)
...aka "Gene Roddenberry's Earth: Final Conflict" (1997)
Eclisse, L' (1962)
...aka Eclipse, The (1962) (USA)
"Emberi kaland, Az" (2001) TV Series
... aka "Human Adventure, The" (2001) (USA)
Empire Strikes Back, The (1980)
...aka Star Wars: Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (1980) (USA: complete title)
Enraged New World, An (2002)
"Enterprise" (2001) TV Series (Star Trek prequel)
Enterprise: Broken Bow (2001) (TV)
...aka Star Trek Enterprise: Broken Bow (2001) (TV)
Eta vesyolaya planeta (1973) (TV)
...aka This Merry Planet (1973) (TV)
...aka Ÿïç xî£íç„ Üíçëïç (1973) (TV) (Soviet Union: Russian title: original
Cyrillic KOI8-R title)
Explorers (1985)
Eye Creatures, The (1965)
...aka Attack of the the Eye Creatures (1965) (USA: changed title)
Faculty, The (1998)
Far on Foot (2001)
Femalien II (1998)
Fifth Element, The (1997)
...aka Cinquime ŽlŽment, Le (1997) (France)
Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (2001) (digitally generated feature)
...aka Fainaru fantaji (2001) (Japan)
Final Fantasy VII (1997) (VG)
Fire in the Sky (1993)
Fire Maidens from Outer Space (1954)
...aka Thirteenth Moon of Jupiter, The
Flesh Gordon (1972) x-rated
Flying Saucer Mystery, The (1950)
Foiled (2000)
Forbidden Planet (1956)
From Beyond (1986)
...aka H.P. Lovecraft's From Beyond (1986)
"Future Fantastic" (1996) TV Series
Galaxy Invader, The (1985) (V)
Galaxy of Terror (1981)
...aka Mindwarp: An Infinity of Terror (1981)
...aka Planet of Horrors (1981)
...aka Quest (1981)
Galaxy Quest (1999) Hugo Award
Gendarme et les extra-terrestres, Le (1978)
"Gigantor" (1965) TV Series
Gojira: Kaiji dai-rantou (2002) (Videogame)
...aka Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters (Videogame) (European title)
"Good Vibrations" (1992) (mini) TV Series
Grays, The (1991)
...aka Brain-Sucking Aliens in Your Backyard (1991)
Green Legend Ran (1992) (V)
Groom Lake (2002)
Halo: Combat Evolved (2001) (Videogame)
... aka Halo (2001) (Videogame) (USA short title)
"Head, The" (1994) TV Series ...aka "MTV's Oddities Presents The Head" (1994)
Heavy Metal (1981)
Hermano del espacio (1986)
...aka Brother from Space (1986)
...aka Eyes Behind the Stars (1986)
...aka Fratello dello spazio (1986) (Italy)
Hidan of Maukbeiangjow, The (1973)
...aka Invasion of the Girl Snatchers (1985) (USA: reissue title)
Hidden II, The (1994)
The Hidden (1987)
High Crusade, The (1994)
...aka High Crusade - Frikassee im Weltraum (1994) (Germany)
High Desert Kill (1989) (TV)
Hobgoblins (1987)
Hombre mirando al sudeste (1986)
...aka Man Facing Southeast (1986)
...aka Man Looking Southeast (1986)
Horror of the Blood Monsters (1970)
...aka Blood Monster (1970)
...aka Creatures of the Prehistoric Planet (1970)
...aka Creatures of the Red Planet (1970)
...aka Flesh Creatures of the Red Planet (1970)
...aka Flesh Creatures, The (1970)
...aka Horror Creatures of the Lost Planet (1970)
...aka Horror Creatures of the Prehistoric Planet (1970)
...aka Horror Creatures of the Red Planet (1970)
...aka Space Mission of the Lost Planet (1970)
...aka Space Mission of the Prehistoric Planet (1970)
...aka Space Mission to the Lost Planet (1977) (USA: reissue title)
...aka Vampire Men of the Lost Planet (1970)
Human Duplicators, The (1965)
...aka Agente spaziale K1 (1965)
...aka Jaws of the Alien (1965)
...aka Space Agent K1 (1965)
Hyper Sapien: People from Another Star (1986)
...aka Hyper Sapien (1986)
I Come in Peace (1990)
...aka Dark Angel (1990)
I Married a Monster from Outer Space (1958)
Ice Planet (2001)
Impostor (2002)
Incontri molto ravvicinati del quarto tipo (1978)
...aka Very Close Encounters of the 4th Kind (1978)
Independence Day (1996)
...aka ID4 (1996) (USA: promotional abbreviation)
Interceptor Force 2 (2002) (TV)
Intruder Within, The (1981) (TV)
...aka Lucifer Rig, The (1981) (TV)
Intruders (1992) (TV)
"Invader ZIM" (2001) TV Series (animated)
"Invaders, The" (1967) TV Series
Invaders (1992) (TV)
Invaders from Mars (1953)
"Invasion America" (1998) TV Series
"Invasion: Earth" (1998) (mini)TV Series
Invasion Earth: The Aliens Are Here (1987)
Invasion for Flesh and Blood (1996)
Invasion of the Saucer Men (1957)
...aka Hell Creatures (1957)
...aka Invasion of the Hell Creatures (1957)
...aka Invasion of the Saucer-Men (1957) (USA: poster title)
...aka Spacemen Saturday Night (1957)
Invasion: Stanford 1991 A.D. (1990)
Invisible Invaders (1959)
It Came from Outer Space II (1996)
It Conquered the World (1956)
It's Now... or NEVER! (1995)
Jason X (2001)
"Jeopardy" (2002) TV Series
Jungle Hell (1956)
...aka Jungle Boy (1956) (USA: video title)
K-PAX (2001)
"Kacho Oji" (2000) TV Series
... aka "Black Heaven" (2000) (USA)
... aka "Legend of Black Heaven, The" (2000) (USA: video title)
Kaijž daisenso (1965)
...aka Battle of the Astros (1965)
...aka Godzilla vs. Monster Zero (1970) (USA: video title)
...aka Great Monster War, The (1965)
...aka Invasion of Astro-Monster (1965)
...aka Invasion of Planet X (1965)
...aka Invasion of the Astro-Monsters (1965)
...aka Invasion of the Astros (1970) (USA: armed forces circuit title)
...aka Kaijž daisenso Kingughidorah tai Gojira (1965) (Japan: reissue title)
...aka Monster Zero (1970) (USA)
...aka War of the Monsters (1965) (literal English title)
Kaijž s™shingeki (1968)
...aka All Monsters Attack (1968)
...aka Attack of the Marching Monsters (1968)
...aka Destroy All Monsters (1971) (USA)
...aka Gojira dengeki taisakusen (1972) (Japan: reissue title)
...aka March of the Monsters, The (1968)
...aka Monster Attack March (1968)
...aka Operation Monsterland (1968) (UK)
"Kik™ s™seiki Mospeada" (1984)TV Series
...aka "Genesis Climber Mospeada" (1984)
Killdozer (1974) (TV)
Killer Klowns from Outer Space (1988)
"Klasskrig" (1998) (mini) TV Series
Lagaan: Once Upon a Time in India (2001)
...aka Lagaan (2001) (India: Hindi short title)
...aka Land Tax (2001) (International English title)
Laserblast (1978)
Law, The (1992)
"Lensman: Kozžmosu no daisens™" (1987)TV Series
...aka "Lensman: Great War of the Cosmos" (1987) (Asia: English title)
"Lexx: The Dark Zone" (1997) (mini)TV Series
...aka "Lexx: I Worship His Shadow" (1997) (mini)
...aka "Lexx: The Dark Zone Stories" (1997) (mini) (UK)
...aka "Tales From a Parallel Universe: I Worship His Shadow" (1997) (mini) (USA)
Lifeforce (1985)
Lilo & Stitch (2002) (Animated feature)
Liquid Sky (1983)
Mackenheim (2002)
The Man from Planet X (1951)
Man Who Fell to Earth, The (1976)
Mark of the Astro-Zombies (2002) (V)
Mars Attacks! (1996)
Martien de No‘l, Le (1971)
...aka Christmas Martian, The (1971)
Marvin the Martian in the Third Dimension (1996)
...aka Duck Dodgers in the Third Dimension (1996)
Mato Grosso (1999)
Meatballs Part II (1984)
...aka Space Kid (1984)
Mekagojira no gyakushu (1975)
...aka Escape of Mechagodzilla, The (1975)
...aka Escape of Megagodzilla, The (1975)
...aka Mechagodzilla vs. Godzilla (1975)
...aka Monsters from an Unknown Planet (1975)
...aka Monsters from the Unknown Planet (1975)
...aka Revenge of Mechagodzilla (1975)
...aka Terror of Mechagodzilla (1977) (USA: US version)
Men in Black (1997)
...aka MIB (1997) (USA: promotional abbreviation)
Men in Black Alien Attack (2002)
...aka Men in Black: The Ride (2000) (Unofficial title)
Men in Black II (2002)
...aka MIB 2 (2002) (USA: promotional abbreviation)
...aka MIIB (2002) (USA: promotional abbreviation)
"Men in Black: The Series" (1997) TV Series
Men In White (1998) (TV)
...aka National Lampoon's Men in White (1998) (TV) (USA)
Metroid (1989) (VG)
Monster High (1989)
Monster Man, The (2001) (V)
Mothman Prophecies, The (2002) misunderstood ingenious meta-horror
Mountains On the Moon (1998)
Music of the Spheres (1977)
Mysterious Two (1982) (TV)
Night of the Big Heat (1967)
...aka Island of the Burning Damned (1971) (USA)
...aka Island of the Burning Doomed (1971) (USA: TV title)
Night of the Blood Beast (1958)
...aka Creature from Galaxy 27, The (1958)
...aka Monster from Galaxy 27, The (1958)
Nightbeast (1983)
Night of the Creeps (1986)
Night Slaves (1970) (TV)
Night Visitors (1996) (TV)
Nightbeast (1983)
Not of This Earth (1988)
Nowhere (1997)
Nuevos extraterrestres, Los (1981)
...aka Extra Terrestrial Visitors (1981)
...aka Pod People (1983) (USA)
...aka Return of E.T., The (1981)
...aka Tales of Trumpy (1981)
...aka Unearthling, The (1981)
Odyssey 5 (2002) (TV)
Orion's Key (1996)
...aka Alien Chaser (1996)
...aka Project Shadowchaser 4 (1996)
Pale Blue Moon (2001)
Perfect Dark (2000) (Videogame)
...aka PD (2000) (Videogame: UK promotional title)
...aka Red and Black (Videogame: Japan: English title)
Phantasm (1979)
...aka Never Dead, The (1979)
Phantasm II (1988)
Phantasm III: Lord of the Dead (1994)
...aka Phantasm: Lord of the Dead (1994)
Phantom from Space (1953)
Phantom Planet, The (1961)
Pianeti contro di noi, I (1961)
...aka Hands of a Killer (1961)
...aka Man with the Yellow Eyes, The (1961)
...aka Monster with Green Eyes, The (1961)
...aka Planets Against Us, The (1961)
Pitch Black (2000)
Planeta Bur (1962)
...aka Cosmonauts on Venus (1962)
...aka Planet of Storms (1962)
...aka Planet of Tempests (1962)
...aka Storm Planet (1962)
Plant, The (1994)
Pleasurecraft (1999)
Polymorph (1996)
"Powers of Matthew Star, The" (1982) TV Series
Predator (1987)
Predator 2 (1990)
Project: ALF (1996) (TV)
Pussbucket (1991)
Quatermass (1978) (TV)
...aka Quatermass Conclusion, The (1978) (TV)
Quatermass and the Pit (1967)
...aka Five Million Years to Earth (1967)
...aka Mind Benders, The (1967)
Rachel, Nevada (1997)
Raising Dead (2002)
Ran salu (1967)
"Read All About It!" (1981)TV Series
Red Planet (2000) not to be confused with the better Robert Heinlein
novel of same name
Remote Control (1987/I)
Resident Alien (1991) (TV)
Repo Man
Return of the Aliens: The Deadly Spawn (1984)
Return of the Jedi (1983)
...aka Star Wars: Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (1983) (USA: complete title)
Return, The (1980)
...aka Alien's Return, The (1980)
...aka Earthright (1980)
Riverworld (2002) (TV) adapted from Philip Jose Farmer novels
Robotech II: The Sentinels (1986)
"Robotech" (1985) TV Series
Rocket Man, The (1954)
Roswell (1994) (TV)
...aka Roswell: The U.F.O. Cover-Up (1994) (TV) (USA: video title)
Roswell - The Roswell Report: Case Closed (1997) (V)
"Roughnecks: The Starship Troopers Chronicles" (1999) TV Series
Salsa (2000)
Santa Claus Conquers the Martians (2000)
"Scare Tactics" (2003) TV Series
Sceriffo extraterrestre - poco extra e molto terrestre, Uno (1979)
...aka Sheriff and the Satellite Kid, The (1979)
Second Arrival, The (1998)
...aka Arrival II (1998) (USA: video title)
...aka Second Arrival, The (1998) (USA: cable TV title)
Seicross (1986) (VG)
Sex Files: Alien Erotica II (2000)
... aka Alien Species II: The Sex Files (2000) (USA: cable TV title)
SF Shinseiki Lensman (1984)
...aka Lensman (1984)
...aka Lensman: Secret of the Lens (1984)
Shadow Men, The (1997)
"Shin seiki evangelion" (1995) TV Series
...aka "Neon Genesis Evangelion" (1995)
Sims Livin' Large, The (2000) (Videogame)
...aka Sims Livin' It Up, The (2000) (Videogame) (UK title)
Slaughterhouse-Five (1972)
Something Is Out There (1988) (TV)
Soupe aux choux, La (1981)
Space Children, The (1958)
Space Jam (1996)
"Space: Above and Beyond" (1995)TV Series
...aka "Space: 2063" (1995)
"Space Rangers" (1993) TV Series
"Spadla z oblakov" (1978) TV Series
...aka "She Came Out of the Blue Sky" (1978)
Species (1995)
Species II (1998)
Specimen (1996)
Spider-Man (2000) (Videogame)
Star Trek: First Contact (1996)
Star Trek: The Experience (1998)
Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force (2000) (Videogame)
Star Wars (1977)
...aka Star Wars: Episode IV: A New Hope (1980) (USA: new title)
Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999)
Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire (1996) (VG)
Starcrossed (1985) (TV)
Stargate (1994)
"Stargate: Infinity" (2002) TV Series
Starship Invasions (1977)
...aka Alien Encounter (1977)
...aka War of the Aliens (1977)
"Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" (1993) TV Series
...aka "DS9" (1993) (USA: promotional abbreviation)
"Star Trek: The Next Generation" (1987)TV Series
...aka "Star Trek: TNG" (1987) (USA: promotional abbreviation)
"Stargate SG-1" (1997) TV Series
Starship Troopers (1997)
Strange Invaders (1983)
"Strangerers, The" (2000) TV Series
"Super Adventure Team" (1998) TV Series
Super Godzilla (1993) (VG)
Supernova (2000)
Supersonic Man (1979)
Supa Metoroido (1994) (VG)
...aka Super Metroid (1994) (VG) (USA: literal English title)
"Swat Kats: The Radical Squadron" (1994) TV Series
"Taken" (2002) TV Miniseries
... aka "Steven Spielberg Presents Taken"
Tatort - Tod im All (1997) (TV)
"Ted and Alice" (2002) TV Series
Teen Alien (1978)
...aka Varrow Mission, The (1978) (Australia: video title)
Teenagers from Outer Space (1959)
...aka Gargon Terror, The (1959) (UK)
Tejing xinrenlei 2 (2000)
...aka Gen-X Cops (2002) (Hong Kong)
...aka Jackie Chan Presents: Metal Mayhem (2002) (USA title)
Tempting Fate (1998) (TV)
"Tenchi Muyo" (1995) TV Series
...aka "Tenchi Universe" (1995)
"Terrahawks" (1983) TV Series
TerrorVision (1986)
They Came From Beyond Space (1967)
They Live (1988)
...aka John Carpenter's They Live (1988) (USA: complete title)
Thin Air (1969)
...aka Body Stealers, The (1969)
...aka Invasion of the Body Stealers (1969)
Thing From Another World, The (1951)
...aka Thing, The (1951)
Thing, The (1982)
...aka John Carpenter's The Thing (1982) (USA: complete title)
Things Are Tough All Over (1982)
Threshold (2003) (TV)
Time Runner (1993)
...aka In Exile (1993)
"Time Tunnel, The" (1966) TV Series
To Dance With Death (2000) (V)
Tommyknockers, The (1993) (TV)
...aka Stephen King's The Tommyknockers (1993) (TV)
"Tomorrow People, The" (1992) TV Series
Total Recall (1990)
"Tracker" (2001) TV Series
Transformers: The Movie, The (1986)
...aka Transformers, The (1986)
Treasure Planet (2002) (animated feature)
Tribe of Joseph (2002)
Trollenberg Terror, The (1958)
...aka Crawling Eye, The (1958) (USA)
...aka Creature from Another World (1958)
...aka Creeping Eye, The (1958)
...aka Flying Eye, The (1958)
Turist Omer Uzay Yolunda (1973)
...aka Omer the Tourist in Star Trek (1973) (USA: literal English title)
Twelve to the Moon (1960)
...aka 12 to the Moon (1960) (USA)
Uchu kaiju Gamera (1980)
...aka Gamera, Super Monster (1980)
...aka Space Monster Gamera (1980) (literal English title)
...aka Super Monster (1980) (USA: TV title)
...aka Super Monster Gamera (1980)
.Uchu Kaisoku-sen (1961)
...aka Invasion From a Planet (1961)
...aka Invasion of the Neptune Men (1961)
...aka Space Greyhound (1961)
Uchujin Tokyo arawaru (1956)
...aka Cosmic Man Appears in Tokyo, The (1956)
...aka Mysterious Satellite, The (1956)
...aka Space Men Appear in Tokyo (1956)
...aka Unknown Satellite Over Tokyo (1956)
...aka Warning from Space (1956) (USA)
UFO Journals (1978)
"Ultraman: Towards the Future" (1990) (mini)TV Series
...aka "Ultraman Great" (1990) (mini)
...aka "Urutoraman G" (1990) (mini) (Japan)
"Uninvited, The" (1997) TV Series
"Urusei yatsura" (1981) TV Series
...aka "Those Obnoxious Aliens" (1981)
Urusei Yatsura 1: Onri yu (1983)
...aka Urusei Yatsura 1: Only You (1983)
Urusei Yatsura 2: Byutifuru dorima (1984)
...aka Urusei Yatsura 2: Beautiful Dreamer (1984)
Urusei Yatsura 3: Rimenba mai rabu (1985)
...aka Urusei Yatsura 3: Remember My Love (1985)
Urusei Yatsura 4: Ram za foeba (1986)
...aka Urusei Yatsura 4: Lum the Forever (1986)
Urusei Yatsura 5: Kanketsuhen (1988)
...aka Urusei Yatsura 5: Final Chapter (1988)
Urusei Yatsura 6: Itsudatte My Darling (1991)
...aka Urusei Yatsura 6: Always My Darling (1991)
...aka Urusei Yatsura 6: Forever My Darling (1991)
Urusei Yatsura: Denki shikake no goniwaban (1989) (V)
...aka Urusei Yatsura: The Electric Household Guard (1989) (V)
Urusei Yatsura: Nagisa no Fianse (1988) (V)
...aka Urusei Yatsura: Nagisa's Fiance' (1988) (V)
Urusei Yatsura: Otome hashika no kyofu (1991) (V)
...aka Urusei Yatsura: Terror of Girly-Eyes Measles (1991) (V)
Urusei Yatsura: Reikon to deito (1991) (V)
...aka Urusei Yatsura: Date with a Spirit (1991) (V)
Urusei Yatsura: Ryoko no Kugatsu no Ochakai (1986) (V)
...aka Urusei Yatsura: Ryoko's September Tea Party (1986) (V)
Urusei Yatsura: Tsuki ni Hoeru (1989) (V)
...aka Urusei Yatsura: I Howl at the Moon (1989) (V)
Urusei Yatsura: Yagi-san to Chiizu (1989) (V)
...aka Urusei Yatsura: Goat and Cheese (1989) (V)
"V" (1983) (mini) TV Series
"V" (1984) TV Series
"V: The Final Battle" (1984) (mini)TV Series
Village of the Damned (1960)
Village of the Damned (1995)
Virus (1999)
...aka Virus (1999) (France)
Visitants, The (1987)
Voyage to the Prehistoric Planet (1965)
...aka Prehistoric Planet (1965)
...aka Voyage to a Prehistoric Planet (1965)
Waiter, The (1997)
Wakusei daisenso (1977)
...aka Cosmo 2000: Planet Without a Name (1977)
...aka Cosmos (1977)
...aka Great Planet War (1977)
...aka Planet Wars (1977)
...aka War in Space, The (1977/I)
...aka War of the Planets (1977)
War of the Worlds, The (1953)
"War of the Worlds" (1988) TV Series
...aka "War of the Worlds: The Second Invasion" (1988)
"War Planets" (1998) TV Series
...aka "ShadowRaiders" (1998) (Canada: English title)
Warum die UFOs unseren Salat klauen (1979)
What on Earth! (1967)
...aka Terre est habitŽe, La (1967) (Canada: French title)
What Planet Are You From? (2000) comedy
Wing Commander (1999)
Within the Rock (1996)
Without Warning (1980)
...aka Alien Warning (1980)
...aka It Came Without Warning (1980)
...aka Warning, The (1980/I)
"X Files, The" (1993) TV Series
...aka "X-Files, The" (1993) (USA)
X Files, The (1998)
...aka X-Files, The (1998) (USA: closing credits title)
X Files: Resist or Serve, The (2003) (Videogame)
Xtro (1983)
Xtro II: The Second Encounter (1990)
Yusei oji (1959)
...aka Invaders From Space (1959) (USA: alternative title)
...aka Invaders From the Spaceship (1959) (USA: alternative title)
...aka Prince of Space (1959) (USA)
Zone Troopers (1986)
Zontar the Thing from Venus (1966)
Zool (1993) (VG)
Zoonomia (2000) (VG)
...aka Darwin's Revenge (JP)

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Boy! A prodidgious list to be sure, but missing two of my favorites, and probably more...

Where oh where is CLOWNS FROM OUTER SPACE ???

And even BARBARELLA...?

Also missing is STARMAN....and BUCKAROO BANZAI...

So glad they included BROTHER FROM ANOTHER PLANET.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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I recall 'Brother From Another Planet'' from a few years back. Is it a comedy? Is it any good whatever type it is?
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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BROTHER FROM ANOTHER PLANET is one of my favorites! I try to see it again every few years. There are some funny bits but it is more ironic than comedic. Sweet sweet story about a "brother" who turns up in somewhere like Harlem, and changes things in peoples lives. Don't miss this one, it's a classic. I think the actor is the one who was the hero in NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD but I could be wrong.

Andrew, did you ever see Killer Klowns from Outer Space (1988) (I see I left off the "Killer" so missed it on the list) Don't miss it, It's the weirdest movie ever!

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 03, 2008, 12:21:49 am
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Barbarella was more a Roger Vadim sex romp as opposed to something about aliens so maybe they were right to leave it off. Good, though.

Anyone ever see Event Horizon? Really weird film, not at all what I expected.

It's not on here either.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 03, 2008, 12:22:26 am
 
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Hi Jason,
Nevertheless, BARBARELLA was full of aliens!

(heehee!)

I don't think I saw EVENT HORIZON. Tell about it.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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I've never seen HALF those movies!
I did see Lifeforce, though! Anyone see that? The poor girl alien walks around for most of the film with her clothes off. You know a guy came up with the script for that!
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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Hi Rockessence,

Event Horizon was about this spaceship that went missing and this scientist that is really obsessed to get ot back. Well, years after it goes missing, it pops up again and this scientist convinces this crew to go with him on a mission to figure out where it's been. Turns out it's haunted, the ship has come from another dimension (like hell), and the scientist is so giddy about all this he goes nuts. The ship's captain (Lawrence Fisburne) understandably wants to pop him one.

It was unusual becase you don't usually see movies like that.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 03, 2008, 12:24:55 am
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Thanks, love Fishburn.

How about THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN. Does that qualify as alien?

Oops, I guess it does!! It's on the list.

Hey, A BOY AND HIS DOG isn't on the list! Aren't there some aliens in that? That is one of my all time faves.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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If you could kill one alien in the movies, which one would it be?

(Hey, maybe this should be a poll)

I don't know about the rest of you, but I would vote for the death of Jar Jar Binks!

And the force would be with me on that!

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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What was so bad about Jar Jar Binks anyway??????????????
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 03, 2008, 12:35:08 am
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I think he sucks, too!
Glad everyone liked the list, I'll admit it's missing a couple, but very few!

Some more food for thought:

Engineering Aliens


for Astrobiology Magazine
Moffett Field CA (SPX) Nov 15, 2005

What would you call an alien if you encountered it on the street tomorrow? What if that alien didn't come from another world but rather was created in a laboratory right here on Earth and functioned differently from other Earth life?
Either way, Peter Ward has the beginnings of an answer. In a new book, the University of Washington paleontologist puts forth an expanded "tree of life," or biological classification system, to account for a variety of life forms that would not fit in the current system.

Among them are viruses, long considered to be non-living bits of protein and nucleic acid but which Ward argues are as alive as the many parasites that infect humans and other organisms. The revamped classification system also would include life based on RNA instead of DNA, and life found away from Earth that likely would be based on silicon or elements other than the carbon-hydrogen-oxygen-nitrogen mixture that is the backbone of life on Earth.

"To get to DNA life you had to go through non-DNA life, which we no longer have," Ward said. "But just because a type of life goes extinct doesn't mean you don't classify it. Otherwise you wouldn't have dinosaurs on the tree of life. And until now there hasn't been any place to put RNA life."

In the current popular classification system the highest levels are three domains - bacteria, archaea and eukarya, the last of which includes all animals. Ward's plan places those three domains within a larger dominion, which he calls "terroan" to signify Earth origins. Another dominion he calls "ribosa" because it is based on ribonucleic acid, or RNA. Other dominions could be formed to cover life discovered to have a different base than DNA or RNA.

The dominions would be placed within broader classifications called "arborea," which contain life that does not mix with that of other arborea. The Earth arborea would contain all life forms found on this planet and other arborea would contain life found away from Earth.

Ward presents his new model in a book called "Life As We Do Not Know It: The NASA Search for (and Synthesis of) Alien Life," published by Viking and being released Thursday.

The new system is already necessary, he said, because "alien" life has been created in laboratories on Earth. That includes microbes with at least one amino acid beyond the 20 in the DNA of native Earth life, or organisms that have been genetically modified, Ward said. It also includes some life forms that have been modified to be much simpler than what is normally found on Earth.

"We may never find other life away from Earth, but we have already made aliens on this planet and we will continue to do so at an increasing pace," he said. "In the last five years we've come to realize that we can make microbial life in a lot more ways than Mother Earth did."

Ward believes that if life is found away from Earth, at least some could be based on elements such as silicon, perhaps in combination with carbon. Because environments are far colder on moons and planets farther from the sun, he said, it is less likely that life on the moons of Saturn and Jupiter, for instance, will use water as Earth life does. Instead, those organisms are more likely to use compounds such as ammonia that remain liquid at very low temperatures.

Ward is one of several faculty members in the UW's groundbreaking graduate program in astrobiology. The program, the first of its kind, started in 1998 with a grant from the National Science Foundation and has since been bolstered by funding from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Students work in a variety of areas, such as astronomy, microbiology and oceanography, to prepare themselves for the search for life away from Earth.

Ward also was a co-author, with UW astronomer Donald Brownlee, of a popular book called "Rare Earth," published in 2000. The book advanced the idea that simple microbial life might be very common in the universe but complex life is probably so rare and dispersed that Earth inhabitants might never encounter another intelligence.

Ward said his beliefs haven't changed from the basic "Rare Earth" premise, but it is becoming clearer that simple life found away from Earth could take forms not previously expected. That's already happening in Earthbound laboratories.

"I hope people will wake up and realize this is a whole new biology," Ward said. "There's going to be a zoo of aliens on Earth in the next two decades just from what we make."

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Volitzer if you don't know what sucked about Jar Jar Binks... I can't explain it to you

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Admit it, you're Jar-Jar Binks, Volitzer!
You're taking itr personally.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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There are many things I know to be true but can't explain, gravity for instance.

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Exopolitical Comment # 38 - Former Canadian Defense Minister Speaks Out on Extraterrestrial Visitors & Government Secrecy

On September 25, 2005, Hon Paul Hellyer, the former Canadian Minister for National Defense gave a speech in Toronto at an event titled: "Exopolitics Toronto: A Symposium on UFO Disclosure and Planetary Direction" (www.exopoliticstoronto.com) . Hellyer described his time as Minister for Defense from 1963-1967 where the occasional UFO sighting report crossed his desk. He claims to never have had time for what he considered to be a "flight of fancy", but nevertheless retained an interest in the UFO phenomenon. While Minister for Defense, he was guest of honor at the opening of the world's first UFO landing pad at Alberta, Canada in 1967. He thought it an innovative idea from a progressive Canadian community willing to pay for his helicopter ride, but did not give much thought to UFOs as having serious policy implications. He also describes a private UFO sighting he later had with family and guests, but once again attributed it to a 'flight of fancy' rather than anything having serious policy implications.

Hellyer's position on UFOs dramatically changed after watching the late Peter Jennings documentary special, "Seeing is Believing" in February 2005. Hellyer decided to read a book that had been idly sitting on his book shelf for two years. Philip Corso's, The Day After Roswell, sparked intense interest for Hellyer in terms of its policy implications. Corso named real people, institutions and events in his book that could be checked. Intrigued by the policy implications, Hellyer decided to confirm whether Corso's book was real or a "work of fiction". He contacted a retired United States Air Force General and spoke to him directly to verify Corso's claims. The unnamed General simply said: "every word is true and more". Hellyer then proceeded to discuss the "and more …" with the general and claimed he was told remarkable things concerning UFOs and the extraterrestrial hypothesis that interplanetary visitors have been here since at least 1947. Finally convinced that the UFO phenomenon was real Hellyer decided to come forward and speak at Exopolitics Toronto about some of the "most profoundly important policy questions that must be addressed." (for speech go to: www.checktheevidence.com/video/ ). The policy questions Hellyer addressed in his talk are both profound and vitally important for citizens of every nation of Earth.

First, Hellyer claimed that evidence concerning UFOs is the "greatest and most successful cover up in the history of the world". He confirmed that senior political officials even at the rank of Minister of Defense, a position he himself occupied, are simply out of the loop when it comes to information concerning UFOs and visiting extraterrestrials. From a democratic perspective, that raises many concerns about oversight, transparency and accountability of those in control of the information, technology and projects concerning the extraterrestrial visitors.

A second profound policy question concerns the designation by the U.S. military of visiting extraterrestrials as an 'enemy'. According to Hellyer, this had led to the development of "laser and particle guns to the point that they can be used against the visitors from space." It is this targeting of visiting extraterrestrials that concerns Hellyer, and he asks "is it wise to spend so much time and money to build weapon systems to rid the skies of alien visitors?" Hellyer poignantly raises the key policy question: "Are they really enemies or merely legitimate explorers from afar?" Hellyer's question raises profound importance in understanding the relationship between visiting extraterrestrial civilizations and world peace.

The third policy question arose from the recent decision by President Bush to build a base on the moon. Hellyer believes this is the activation of a plan first launched by Col Corso's mentor, Lt General Arthur Trudeau to build a base from which visiting extraterrestrials could be monitored and possibly targeted as they approach the Earth. Hellyer outlined his opposition to the weaponization of space, something that the liberal government of Canada is currently opposed to. The weaponization of space remains a key policy issue clearly has profound policy issues from the perspective of extraterrestrial visitors to Earth.

Finally, Hellyer declared that the "time has come to lift the veil of secrecy" and to have an "informed debate about a problem that doesn't officially exist." Understanding the evidence concerning the UFO phenomenon is vital to fully preparing citizens around the world for the truth concerning extraterrestrials, despite official denial and secrecy by those "in the loop". He calls for major global initiatives to fully prepare global citizenry for the truth. He endorses a position taken by key exopolitical researchers such as Alfred Webre to prepare for a "Decade of Contact" where humanity is prepared for the truth about extraterrestrial visitors through informed debate and education.

Paul Hellyer is the first senior politician to openly come out and declare the truth about the extraterrestrial presence. He is blazing a trail that many other senior politicians are destined to take. It will be wise if the world's senior politicians quickly learn more about this remarkable Canadian statesman and heed his important advise about data on extraterrestrial visitors and the "profoundly important policy questions that must be addressed."


© Michael E. Salla, PhD
Sept 29, 2005
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Note: The Hon Paul Hellyer has been invited to attend the forthcoming "Extraterrestrial Civilizations and World Peace Conference from June 9-11, 2006, on the Big Island of Hawaii. For more information and the list of confirmed speakers that include Brig General Steven Lovekin; Alfred Webre, J.D.; and Michael Salla, Ph.D; please visit: www.etworldpeace.com

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 03, 2008, 12:40:04 am
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Could aliens be hacking into your computer?

Published: Monday, December 12, 2005
OTTAWA -- Could little green men be hacking into your computer?

A scientist at a top U.S. physics lab thinks scanning the skies for signs of life leaves earthling computers wide open to virus attacks from space.

Richard Carrigan is careful to note his claim of a security threat to Earth isn't sponsored by his employer, the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Illinois.

But he writes in a space journal that SETI, the project that invites people to run their computers non-stop in a search for life on other planets, may be inviting alien viruses to Earth.

If astronauts ever go to Mars, we'll quarantine them afterwards in a check for harmful germs, he says.

So why aren't we as careful with our computers?

The "SETI hacker" hypothesis works like this: Tens of thousands of volunteers leave their computers running to scan through vast amounts of data from SETI.

The network is called SETI@home. The signals are radio waves from space, and the SETI supporters hope that amid all the random background (radio waves from stars), there may be a signal from some distant civilization.

But Carrigan warns such a signal might carry a virus, which would then spread to Earth computers.

"The probability of a contaminated SETI signal is difficult to estimate; but if we never consider it the chance of infection is not zero," he writes. Then there's radio signalling, which has already told a good part of our galaxy that we're here, he argues.

"An intelligent system 50 light years away detecting Earth's first radio signals could have broadcast a return signal that would now be reaching Earth," Carrigan writes. "There are about 400 stars within this 50-light-year sphere."

He adds that "TV transmitters on Earth can be detected one light year away with contemporary technology."

Carrigan submitted his ideas to Nature, a major science journal. It turned down a chance to publish them.

A Nature editor explained: "While the subject does cross interdisciplinary lines this is not the main criterion we use for selection. Rather, papers should report deep new physical insights. . . . . We have been unable to identify such aspects in the paper. The general premise of the manuscript even lacks some conceptual novelty, as it has already been explored in the book 3001, the Final Odyssey by Arthur C. Clarke."

But physicists and space lovers are weighing in on science blogs with comments on the hacker theory and questions: Will space aliens use Macs or PCs?

"We have bigger things to worry about. Those SETI@home people don't need to worry about aliens. They have to worry about their neighbour who is trying to get into the computer with malicious intent," said Patrick Lyons, manager of instructional innovation at Carleton University in Ottawa.

"Aliens sending computer viruses? I suspect they have better things to do," he said. "They could be laughing themselves silly: 'Ha! They still use Microsoft!' "

In the meantime, Carrigan suggests scientists are too trusting.

"In science-fiction, all the aliens are bad, but in the world of science, they are all good and simply want to get in touch," he writes.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
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of course you know this is way too funny ...

THE WHOLE TOPIC

a negro alien told me so, quite convincingly. not to toss poo on the subject, but really. i sincerely hope that our experiment in block 72 where we aerosolized lsd and pumped it much like an anesthesiologist would through your dorm room duct work ...

super skeptic, about 87.37 % of the time. is that a prime number? oh goody! something else to do. plink plink
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 03, 2008, 12:41:38 am
 
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you know, i was trying to retroactively catch up with this thread and soooo ...

i wound my watch counterclockwise and stepped back a page and starting checking out your avatars ...

quite revealing. unknown looks like he's hitting off a joint, and trevor is obviously feeling the effects of being one hit before in line. you can't make this stuff up sometimes. it's there to be seen, and in this case, toked.

too funny you guys. too funny
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 03, 2008, 12:42:02 am
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Come on!!!

You've been with this topic from the start so obviously you find something in it to fascinate you. Methinks you protest a bit too much...you love this topic! Everybody else does, too, it's a VERY POPULAR TOPIC!

Anyway, there are Nordic Aliens out there, so I make no apologies.
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 03, 2008, 12:42:28 am
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I think you're a Nordic aline, too, and you just don't want to draw attention to yourself...
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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 03, 2008, 12:42:50 am
 
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"Could aliens be hacking into your computer?"

A little misleading cause the article really isn't about that. On the other hand, it has long been imagined that the dead use technology as a way to communicate with the living.

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Title: Re: Nordic Aliens (Original)
Post by: Jennie McGrath on February 03, 2008, 12:44:11 am
 
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"I never gave anybody hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell" - Harry Truman

THE CONTROLLING FACTOR
Who controls the mind controls the masses
There is a reptilian seed upon earth that was fathered by a wise and subtle fallen angel beware!
Part one
Eve is the victim woman the serpent used to father the Cain race into the world; Cain was of that wicked one, [see I John 3-12] Cain after killing Abel produced offspring we call reptilian. The reptilians are now the Controlling Factor in the earth. One cannot understand why there is constant strife, murder, stealing, war, tragedy and turmoil in the world without first realizing that the Cain race reptilians are genetic offspring of the serpent. A good tree [seed] cannot bring forth bad fruit just as a bad tree [seed] cannot bring forth good fruit. So each genetic bloodline must bear in the image of the genetic family tree. [ John 8-44] most of the human race is under the control and domination of a Cruel and Remorseless genetic Intelligence. Some people are willing to believe that all the people upon the earth are good and god loves everyone and that all can be saved, this is simply not true, most are deceived by these genetic reptilian-human hybrids as they are unable or unwilling to see how this is impossible as a bad seed seed [tare] cannot be saved such as these reptilian-human hybrids, all sin is initiated by these reptilians, which are then passed down through successive lower echelon underlings who take the necessary actions. You shall know a tree by its fruit, The end result is all around us: the power to gain and control riches in this world is given to the serpent seed race and most of the sheep [good seed] are seeking the riches of the evil seed. Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away. 22The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful. 23But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown

The Parable of the Weeds

24yahwehshua told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
27"The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?'
28" 'An enemy did this,' he replied.
"The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'
29" 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.'

"6Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, "Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field."
37He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
40"As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. 47"Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. 48When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. 49This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth

so now we see that there is bad seed, as well as good seed Christ came only for the good seed, as is seen in matt. 10-5,6

These twelve Yahwehshua sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. [Good seed]7As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.' 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[2] drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. 9Do not take along any gold or silver or copper in your belts; 10take no bag for the journey, or extra tunic, or sandals or a staff; for the worker is worth his keep. But who can afford to keep the truth of his word in this world today?

The minimum retirement age in America is now 70. This is why you see senior citizens working in Fast Food Restaurants. Its not because they are "bored and have nothing better to do." Its because they enjoy having things like a roof over their heads and food to eat. Virtually every decision people make is predicated on Time and Money or rather, the lack thereof. It is absolutely essential for the reader to understand this. This was all planned and it was planned by an inhuman intelligence that thinks ahead in terms of decades and centuries unlike most Americans who can see no further than the next paycheck. People are too busy trying to eke out a subsistence existence and consequently lack the time or the intellectual capacity to ponder the truly important questions in life like... why is it so hard to get ahead in this world? "People are living lives of quiet desperation." And they don't even know it.

Keep in mind that this poverty consciousness really gained momentum a scant eighty-eight years ago with the creation of the Federal Reserve Banking System in 1913. Thirteen is an occulted number. 1933 was the year the "Eye in the Triangle" symbol first appeared on the Federal Reserve Notes. Thirty-three is likewise an occultic number. 1933 marked the first appearance of the Latin inscription "Annuit Coeptus: Novus Ordo Seclorum." The translation? "Our Enterprise is Crowned With Success: A New World Order." Indeed. One of the first things set out to do was change America from a country that promoted FREE ENTERPRISE and ENTREPRENEURALISM into a country that embraced BIG BUSINESS and favored the multi-national corporations and banks. This occurred during one of the most under-appreciated and misunderstood periods of American history, the Reconstruction period. If you look back in America's history, you will find that the further you go back into time, the more likely you will find that Americans owned and operated their own businesses. Whether these businesses were Farms, Mills, Tanneries or Shops, often as not the businesses were family owned and passed down from generation to generation. For those who didn't inherit a family run business, an entrepreneur would often set up his own business in whatever trade that best suited his skills and temperament. Again, the readers can test this for themselves. Find out what your grandfathers and great-grandfathers did for a living and you will find that most of them were SELF EMPLOYED. This is an important distinction to make. The pilgrims didn't come here because they heard that IBM was hiring. They came here to practice religious and ECONOMIC FREEDOM. They and their successors wanted to own and operate their own businesses and reap the harvest of their own labors just as their ancestors did. This business mindset has largely been removed from the human consciousness. The world is rushing towards a Collectivist-Communist super state because private ownership and free enterprise is being stamped out. One of the greatest aircraft carriers in history was named after free Enterprise. Free Enterprise allowed average business owners the opportunity to make as much or as little money as required to finance their particular lifestyles. I said LIFESTYLES not subsistence existence. Free Enterprise ensures FREEDOM. Isn't it curious that immigrants come to this country, barely able to speak English and within months establish their own businesses often as not HIRING Americans to sweep their floors and operate their cash registers? Why is it that immigrants know that FREE ENTERPRISE is the fundamental basis for the "American Dream " and Americans born and bred here study for years merely to become someone else's employee? We are never paid what we are worth, we are only paid what the job is worth. Bottom line, if you are trading hours for dollars, you will NEVER overcome inflation and will probably have to rely on CREDIT which is just a euphemism for DEBT, to make ends meet. This is absolutely essential to understand because Americans have been brainwashed into believing that we are FREE simply because we live in America. Nothing could be further from the truth. We are only as FREE as we allow ourselves to be and freedom whether or not anyone wants to admit it, HAS A DOLLAR SIGN NEXT TO IT. Financial Independence means being debt free and having enough money saved to enjoy a particular lifestyle. It means being in total control of ones own clock and calendar. Often as not it means somehow developing a RESIDUAL INCOME i.e. capitalizing on an existing income stream that never runs out.. And not have to work yourself to death in the process. But American students are not taught any of these things. They are told that upon graduation they can become "professionals" and accept the fact that they may have to work extremely long hours just to get themselves "established." I see right through "professionals" There is nothing appealing or ego boosting to me about working extremely long hours for so little return just to maintain the facade of the "professional lifestyle.". Many people have the trappings of "success" i.e. big comfortable houses and nice shiny cars but in reality they are just BROKE AT A HIGHER LEVEL They still aren't Financially Independent. Once again: 98% of all Americans are dead or broke by the age of 65. The manipulation of the educational and financial systems ensured that millions of Americans would live in a state of ECONOMIC BONDAGE. Americans are running out of money before they run out of month. The Medical System is controlled by the dracos through the vehicle of the American Medical Association which uses Gestapo like methods to squelch any efforts at using SUCCESSFUL alternative medical treatments, especially as they apply to supposedly "incurable diseases." The World Health Organization metes out the same treatment to the rest of the planet especially to the so-called Third World. The Cruel and Inhuman Intelligence that is responsible for this horrendous state of affairs needs to be studied and understood. Otherwise we stand no chance of ever rising above this Drac controlled society. We stand the very real risk of becoming "environmentalized" like animals, doing just enough to survive and nothing more. What a sad ending for a species that has so much potential. The next part of this treatise deals with an inquiry into the Reptilian Mind which is responsible for our present predicament. When one studies the Reptilian Mind, horrors such as Occultic Rituals involving human sacrifice and the horrendous and systematic sexual exploitation of women and children becomes understandable. These wicked attributes are imbued into their manipulated humans the world over at all strata of society. The result is a worldwide smorgasbord of human misery and suffering.. Why does a cruel and remorseless muppet dictator need to see the bigger picture and even know shapeshifting reptilian exist? This serves to further the reptilian's ultimate goal of a Global Tyranny because often as not United Nations troops become embroiled in the various regional conflicts. Those of us within the community must be willing to point out the absurd fallacies of the reptilian propagandist and New Age Globalist. Starry eyed New Agers display the same kind of misplaced enthusiasm that so many young intellectual Communists displayed in the 1920's and 1930's during the worst of the Bolshevik Revolution's excesses. We must come to grips with the fact that the worst atrocities perpetrated by humans throughout history has been the end result of Reptilian manipulation. The Reptilians want us to remain subservient to them. We represent nothing more than domesticated livestock to them. They need us, we don't need them. They want every country on Earth to resemble the Soviet Union during the Stalin Era. Within the context of this future global dictatorship, the reptilians want us all to turn into mindless and obedient informants and stool pigeons, ready and willing to denounce our fellow countrymen in the hopes of personal gain. I believe in the indomitability of the Human Spirit. I believe that within a generation at least three per cent of the surface population will break free from the reptilian overlords. This will just be the opening phase however. Our struggle for complete freedom will last much longer. We find ourselves in an expanded cosmic arena. We must gird ourselves for the struggles and challenges ahead. We must develop a stronger Faith and Belief in a power greater than Ourselves. Remember that the security services of the New World Order have their informants well placed in most "dissident" type organizations especially those that espouse Constitutionalist Principles. The "Militia" Movement was set up by the security services of America the same way the Cheka under Dzerzhinsky set up overseas "Anti-Bolshevik" movements in the 1920's. Most if not all Militia organizations are sorely lacking in even the rudiments of counter-espionage or internal security skills. This is a Spiritual Conflict we are involved in. If someone is still operating at the "Common Law Court" or "Militia Movement" level, they are displaying their ignorance of the non-human reptilian element at work. What you don't know CAN hurt you.


There are three kinds of people in America:

1). Those that know what is going on;

2). Those that think they know what is going on; and

3). Those that don't have a clue as to what is going on.

"5% of the people think. 10% of the people think they think.
The rest would rather die than think."


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Out of the Dragon's Lair
AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH SERGEANT CLIFFORD STONE
( Branton -- File No. 010 )


File No. 010

O U T O F T H E D R A G O N S L A I R


In the Spring of 1989, UFO UNIVERSE published an article by Robert W. Boyajian, titled 'CONQUEST EARTH? - A SHOCKING LOOK INSIDE THE GOVERNMENT-ALIEN EXCHANGE PROGRAM' (Exclusive Interview with Sergeant Clifford Stone, on assignment at Roswell, New Mexico):

"In the course of my UFO investigations, I established contact with Aileen Edwards, Director of the UFO Contact Center International, Seattle, Washington. For several years, Aileen has been doing excellent work getting people released from mental institutions that do not understand the UFO contact or abduction phenomenon. Many of these unfortunate patients have been given dangerous neurolytic drugs as means of 'treating' their 'illness.'

"As a result of our conversations, Aileen placed me in touch with Sergeant Clifford Earl Stone of the United States Army, who is currently stationed at Roswell, New Mexico, which is near the site of the most famous crash-UFO case of all time which allegedly took place in 1947, and involved the recovery of several alien bodies by the military.

"What I have found out by speaking with Sergeant Stone can only be labeled 'sensational.' But before we get to the main body of our interview, I should point out that much of his testimony can now be verified by others connected with the intelligence community. For example, recently there was aired on national television a two hour special, 'UFO COVERUP - LIVE FROM WASHINGTON.' Among the most interesting features of this program were the on-the-air confessions of two mysterious individuals whose true identities remain a secret, but who go by the code names 'Falcon' and 'Condor.' Their faces were hidden at all times, and their voices altered through a muting device. From what I have discovered, however, Falcon is an OSI agent, while Condor is a scientist working for the U.S. government.

"On the show, Condor told of a deal the government made with the aliens: 'Essentially, the agreement says that we won't disclose your existence if you won't interfere in our society, and we allow you to operate from a designated base in the United States.' It's in the state of Nevada, in an area called Area 51. Extraterrestrials have complete control of the base. My understanding is that three different aliens of the same species has resided in the U.S. from 1948 or 1949 until the present day. The first alien was captured in the New Mexican desert after its craft crashed. The alien, which was named EBE by the government was kept in captivity for three years and we learned a great deal of information about the alien's race, culture and spacecraft. The second alien was part of an exchange program. The third alien was also part of an exchange program and has been the guest of the U.S. government since 1982.'

"...this knowledge has long been classified at exceedingly high levels, and has not been released even though various court battles have been fought to obtain the truth under the Freedom of Information Act. The much talked-about MJ-12 briefing document was a 'leak' made by sources unknown, there have been several others, and yet further revelations have been promised by those working inside the 'establishment' who are convinced the public must be told EVERYTHING and NOW!..."


The interview between Mr. Boyajion of UFO UNIVERSE and Sgt. Stone went as follows:
"UFO UNIVERSE: In reference to Condor's statement about Area 51 in the state of Nevada, what do you personally feel about this in your studies?


"CLIFFORD STONE: I believe that the American people has a right to know what is going on...
"UU: Do you feel there's a war going on perhaps between different types of aliens?

"CS: Yes, I do. I believe what is presently termed the 'greys' may very well be the (entities) that the U.S. government has the pact with right now, and they are not necessarily the 'good guys.'

"UU: Do you feel that these grey guys are evil?

"CS: Well...there are some things I prefer not to talk about. But I'll tell you this much. First, I believe that there is a God. And I firmly believe that God made man and all intelligent life to be a free agent, to chose HIS own validity. Abductions are REAL. Abductions are taking place. People are being forced to undergo - partake in various experiments - for whatever reason by our alien visitors.

"UU: What else would give you the impression that these guys are evil, cut and dry? Is there a case you can cite?

"CS: O.K., this is supposition. One gentleman who was doing research into it reported a military intrusion on an alien base, right here in New Mexico. Well, the military tried to go in and take over the base (It was mentioned that a similar event took place in Nevada). Sixty-six servicemen were supposedly killed there. The aliens had the base, it was an underground base and allegedly the military sent in some of their elite forces, probably equated to a Delta force, elite, anti-terrorist force, if you wish.

"UU: How did they find this base?

"CS: Well, it was part of the allegedly secret agreement that we would let them have bases, therefore we knew about the base. There was some type of argument that broke out between our people and the aliens.

"UU: So there are many bases throughout the country?

"CS: There are rumors of many bases. Given that these stories are true, I think that they probably have 12 or fewer bases. The greys may have various, let's say, hideouts. As far as actual full scale operational bases, there's probably 12 or fewer.

"UU: And where are you getting your information?

"CS: From, we'll say, other researchers that wish to remain sort of silent.

"UU: What position are you in the army at present?

"CS: I'm in an ROTC assignment.

"UU: How long have you been in the army?

"CS: Twenty years.

"UU: Your friends who remain anonymous are within the different services of the government I take it?

"CS: Well, for example, I was stationed at an Air Force base and one guy went and came to my home and identified himself as a fighter pilot and told me about an aircraft that he was piloting. I believe it was over the Pacific Ocean. Anyhow, it got real dark all of a sudden. He reported looking up and he and the other crew members saw what they described as a vehicle that was 3 miles long (Three miles in a circular expansion). As far as I know it stayed with them for 15 or 20 minutes and then went straight over the aircraft and got out in front of them and shot straight up, out of sight.

"UU: Where did you derive the idea that our government is making deals with aliens? What gave you this type of notion?

"CS: The Snowbird document. This document refers to us making primitive contact with the aliens in 1959. On April 25, 1964, we managed to carry on a 3 hour conversation which was the onset of the agreement at a base here in New Mexico. I believe that base was Holloman Air Force Base. The agreement involving an exchange of technology and our silence. By going ahead and not having any interference with the aliens, in exchange they gave us the technology and we agreed to keep quiet about their presence. That right there is sinister in itself.

"UU: How do you mean sinister in itself?

"CS: We have to go back to the abductions. For some reason they don't want the people to remember what happened. Well here you have people who had contact with alien beings, who have lost everything. They've went ahead and have family problems, they've lost their jobs, a lot of them have become reclusive, they have mental problems because they can't cope with what happened to them. They know that they've had some type of experience, but a lot of the time they would have nightmares. They can't explain these.

"UU: Because it was repressed in their subconscious?

"CS: Correct. Maybe by design, or it may be just because the body's own self-defensive mechanism is trying to cope with something that is beyond it's comprehension...

"UU: What about the benevolent beings that are said to exist, who abide by higher laws that do not allow them to interfere - aren't they trying to help?

"CS: The good guys are, well, I like to refer to them as being nomadic. What you're talking about, about the non-intervention with other intelligent life forms is a universal law. The nomadics go along with that. The greys violated the universal law.

"UU: What else can you say about the benevolent space beings?

"CS: They have a high regard for life. I believe, shall we say, 'the good forces,' they don't really want any interaction with us. They choose to just go ahead and just observe.

"UU: Silent guardians. So it seems what they're trying to do is balance what the greys imbalanced.

"CS: I would agree with that...

"UU: When you were describing that there are approximately 3 different types of hostile aliens from Zeta Reticuli, would you describe further what you mean by that?

"CS: At present time, I believe that the government has identified several groups. We break these down by EBE (extraterrestrial biological entities) type 1,2,3 - I think we are about up to 7 that have been identified (however, as Lear and others indicate, these seem to fall into either the reptilian or human categories - Branton). Well...seven types of space travelers, or inter-dimensional travelers, if you wish. When I refer to inter- dimensional travel, I am referring, utilizing the Einsteinian, Rosen, Bridges for that travel... I'm going to tell you the situation as I understand now. The greys will eventually come forth and try to state that they created Christ. This is not the case. They did not create Christ. Christ was and is a divine entity. He was sent here by the Creator, not the Creator of just the world, but the universe... I believe that they (the greys) are involved with the actual cattle mutilations. Now there are some copycats, and the government tries to get mileage off the copycats, and the government may have even went ahead and staged some - just to throw off the extraterrestrial connection.

"UU: Can you give more detail... regarding the greys, the subtleties ahead, and how to avoid any mishap?

"CS: You mean how to identify if your working with a good guy or bad guy? For one thing there are the religious (activities) the bad guys are not happy with. For example, there was an instance where they tried to pick up a farmer...he started to pray and they couldn't take him aboard the craft... He kept praying and finally they gave up trying to abduct him. There was also an incident in Vietnam where a UFO set down in a field. It terrorized some of the villagers, and there was a soldier who was out visiting his girlfriend, who would later become his wife. Anyhow, he got tied up there and the UFO was trying to convince some of the people they should go. It wanted to take some of the people. The soldier stood his ground and wouldn't let the entities do it. The M16 that the soldier had was impervious to the aliens, but the cross that he always wore, and he always carried a Bible, they had regard for that. Finally, they gave up and decided not to try to take any of the people...

"UU: What type of mentality are we dealing with when we're talking about the secret deals made with ETs?

"CS: Let's go back and look at what happened as far as our deepening involvement at the onset of the Vietnam war. Take a look at what happened with the Iran affair. The situation is that there are elements within our government that sometimes act all on their own without congressional restraints, which ultimately affects the entire American population. In this case, it will ultimately have an affect on the entire population of the world. Up until about 1985, I would not have believed any of this. As a result of coming into contact with the SNOWBIRD DOCUMENT, I am left with no recourse but to believe that we have made these agreements - rightly or wrongly. I believe what is going to eventually happen is that they will make themselves known and immediately go ahead and try to destroy society as we know society...

"UU: On the broadcast 'UFO COVERUP LIVE', they spoke of an exchange program where we sent two of our guys up into their crafts. This aspect of the exchange program, do you feel any of this is true?

"CS: It follows accepted diplomatic procedures.

"UU: What is the purpose of revealing this information at this time?

"CS: I think it's to try to prepare the American public for the ultimate disclosure of the existence of the alien beings. I think there is the effort for the good guys to make contact with the people within our government, but I think now what is happening is that the U.S. government learned in 1983 or thereabout that they are NOT dealing with the good guys, but really don't know what to do about it.

"UU: So how can they get out of this? What would your suggestion be?

"CS: Well, my suggestion would be to stand up to the greys. Let them know that this is a free society, that we are not going to sit back and let anyone - be they from outer space or some other foreign country - convert the people of the United States.

"UU: You said that the government didn't know that they were dealing with the bad guys at first. How would the government figure out that these entities were evil? What would make them think that? What would make them decide all of a sudden?

"CS: Let us suppose that we make a deal with a group of aliens. Among other things we agreed that they can have prearranged bases. We will provide security and we will not acknowledge their existence to the general public. In return, they're going to go ahead and carry on certain experimentations, gathering various minerals, getting various flora, various animal life. They're also going to go ahead and conduct some experiments or some research on human beings. Now this troubles us because we don't want that to get out of hand, so we bargain a little deeper and we come to the agreement that, okay, if you abduct anyone we need to know who they are so that if there are any problems in the future we can go ahead and take care of those people who may need medical or psychological attention, so we can assist with this. They say, fine, we will provide you with say a list of all abductees. Later, we find out that they are providing us with maybe a hundred or two hundred abductions maybe every couple of months, but we discover that the number is really into the thousands. We also find out that this scientific curiosity is also being used to tag these people, i.e. the implants, and we are not being told why they are doing this. Now we no longer have control over the abductions. We might even find that there might even be a scarier aspect to it - let's say some of these abductees appear to be 'sleepers,' there is some type of information that they're being fed, a post-hypnotic suggestion for lack of a better term. But don't think that this is hypnotic at all - it's not. It is a very much advanced technological process. Anyhow, they are being told at a certain time, a certain place in the future, they are going to be required to recall things that they are being told at this time, right toward the end of the experimentation or whatever is going on. However, alien forces want this to be kept so secret that if you try to pull this out of them while they're under hypnosis, it will cause the body functions to become under stress.

"UU: Have there been any intervention with the benevolent beings in this matter?

"CS: I WOULD SAY THAT WE KNOW OF SEVERAL, SHOULD WE SAY, INTERGALACTIC FIGHTS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE - DOGFIGHTS.

"UU: An obvious dispute among aliens themselves? What do you feel was the outcome?

"CS: The good won. Right now I think that the good are trying to 'build up their forces.' I think the greys were very concerned about the crash at Roswell, New Mexico, because we had something that they were identifying as a weapons system - and that was a very strong radar tracking system. They lost several ships to that. The aliens initially, having identified that as a weapons system of ours, adjusted their craft so that the high powered radar would not cause on-board difficulties. The greys assisted in keeping the story quiet about the Roswell incident without - how can I put this - 'open contact' with the government at that time (Note: This is conceivable as radar operates through powerful electromagnetic rays and thus may have an adverse affect on a craft utilizing electromagnetic propulsion or operational systems - Branton).

"UU: Have you heard of such a thing as MIB or Men In Black in relation to such incidents as these?

"CS: Yes. There is a well known newsperson who was involved with the UFO crash here in Roswell in 1947. He had his life threatened if he tried to go ahead and break the story. He's maintained silence ever since. He's talked a couple of times, but will never come out and fully tell the whole story.

"UU: Did any of the occupants make themselves known to our people at that time?

"CS: Here again, I'd have to go back to the reporter who was approached by an entity. And I don't think the entity that he was approached by was of this Earth. It was your classic MIB saying, 'Look, stay out of this one!' Point blank he was told, 'If you try to break the story, you'll die.' Around that time we also started to lose jet aircraft that were sent aloft to intercept UFOs. Most of the time these were written off as aircraft having malfunctioned that caused their crash. Some of the aircraft simply vanished without a trace. One incident happened here in Roswell, probably early 1950s. The family still lives here. Two aircraft were sent aloft to intercept a UFO and make the identification of the object as picked up on radar. One plane returned. To this day, one plane and a pilot never returned.

"UU: Is there any information in reference to the joint operations that such a govt.-alien alliance is doing beneath the Earth?

"CS: Supposition (is) there's a lot of genetic work going on down there. For example, there have been people who have claimed to have been taken to underground installations where they observed comatose people in these underground installations. There are also reports of various vats with human parts. One woman reported seeing what appeared as a very Earthly male who was in a vat of some type of fluid in one of the underground installations. Quite a few of the people have alleged that they have been taken to these underground installations and have been kept there for days.

"UU: And why were they let free once they knew of such an installation, let's say, if they're trying to hush that up?

"CS: The vast majority, the man on the street isn't going to believe them anyhow. There are allegations that some are either military or working with the government that were brought down there.

"UU: Are you saying that you are not very clear on what goes on down there? You've never met anyone who had anymore to say on it?

"CS: I'm saying I can't be very clear.

"UU: In other words, it's a little too intense to talk about?

"CS: Yes. I have an interest in UFOs and I've had to recently go through one heck of a battle with the military to express my first amendment right to voice my dissatisfaction with the U.S. government keeping this information suppressed. There are certain things that even as a private citizen that I have to be very careful about suggesting.

"UU: What part of the government would have jurisdiction in association with these aliens?

"CS: They would probably be the National Security Agency, they report directly to the National Security Council. As a matter of fact, it sets in on the National Security Council.

"UU: Are there people within this agency that realize that they've gotten into a little mess?

"CS: Yes, I think so. I think right now those that are in the know are sort of divided as to whether they should go public or try to keep it secret. The TV show 'UFO COVERUP', wasn't really well handled. They didn't really know how to go about bringing out the information that they do have. The situation is that of a programming process, the government wanted some of that information to be released. That I feel is a fact. Now they took that program from Washington and they really wanted to see what the reaction of the American society would be as a whole. How we would react to it. If the U.S. government ever comes forth and states - and eventually I feel within a very few short years, possibly even months - they're going to have to do that. They're going to have to come out and say that UFOs are a reality.

"UU: I heard you were going to Germany?

"CS: I will be separated from my family for at least two years as a result of it. They were going to put me out of the Army because of my interest in UFOs. I want to stay in right now - when I get out I want it to be my choice, not because they forced me out. Are you aware that this is a very, very hard subject matter? I mean it's so far out in left field I avoid it...but I'll bring it up anyhow. Do you know that there are reports that some of the alien ships do a harvest of the souls? In other words, they feed off the living energy, which is in fact the living soul.

"UU: Have you read Budd Hopkins' books?

"CS: Yes, I read both Budd Hopkins' books. Budd is very close to the truth, but the full truth is a horror story that is beyond any science fiction that you have ever read.

"UU: Are there entities of the more benevolent sort that are abducting people?

"CS: That's correct. What they do, I would say, that they have more of a scientific curiosity (referring her to the blondes? - Branton).

"UU: They have more of a compassion, you would say?

"CS: Correct. As a matter of fact, if there was a situation where you had a weapon that could kill them and they could not escape, other than do you harm, they would permit themselves to be killed. The situation with the abduction cases, in dealing with the bad guys, is that they will go ahead and make a person try to recall the bad times of their lives. Then the people relive those experiences, they go back to the way they felt when that experience was happening, they bring to mind the things they fear the most, they bring this out because they actually absorb something similar to osmosis these feelings that they actually feed off of. (i.e. feed off of our fear? - Branton)

"UU: So you're saying that these particular entities that are working in this fashion are the very entities that our government made these deals with?

"CS: Yes.

"UU: Are the people within these government installations who are working with these entities experiencing such traumas, or are they left alone?

"CS: I don't think that they are experiencing trauma because they need those people as part of the grand deception. Keep in mind, while they're dealing with them on the physical plane they're also actually dealing with an interdimensional phenomenon.

"UU: Like an astral phenomenon?

"CS: Yes...

"UU: ...Do you think that the government is dealing with two types of aliens?

"CS: I definitely think that they are dealing with two types of entities, but you've got to keep in mind one thing - the good guys are not going to give us anything to kill our fellow man.

"UU: If you were to see this in an article, is there something that you would like to say?

"CS: Definitely. 'Shut me up and shut the other people up that are like me. Go ahead and have an unbiased congressional investigation into the UFO matter. Give across the board immunity to any and all service members and civilian government workers who have any knowledge of crashed retrieval aircraft or underground bases to let them come talk freely to a congressional committee on UFOs so that they might talk and clear the air. Get it out that UFOs are a reality. They are here now, they have underground bases. If they go ahead and grant that immunity you'll have people come forth and talk. But they will not talk unless that immunity is granted. Now if I'm wrong - go ahead and offer it, set up a committee, a congressional committee to hear all the evidence, weigh all the facts - then it's a put up or shut up proposition.'

"UU: Why haven't the aliens just simply infiltrated in relation to these government deals.

"CS: The U.S. government may believe that there's no defense and that they are highly evolved and technologically superior to us. There are those of us, however, that firmly believe - or should I say know - that there are defenses against these folks. In unity there is strength. That strength is derived from knowledge. The knowledge that must be had is the knowledge of the truth. With the truth we can go ahead and combat these entities..."


The following information was released by Leading Edge Research and describes some additional details concerning the serpent race/greys based upon the findings of several researchers who have pooled their investigations in order to find out more about this apparent enemy of mankind. The following scenario emerged from this cooperative effort (emphasis ours - Branton):

"NOTES ON ALF (Alien Life Forms): Term used by the government to describe the Greys in terms of being a MALEVOLENT life form. The deal with the Greys is that their field around their body is different (from) ours to the point where merging of the fields ends up creating physical symptoms (the 'body terror' mentioned by people like Whitley Strieber). The field around them is in direct opposition to ours. IT IS AN ANTI-LIFE FIELD... THEY ARE EXPERTS OF MANIPULATION OF BOTH THE HUMAN BODY (THROUGH MANIPULATION OF THE FIELDS) AND THE HUMAN MIND. THEY REQUIRE BLOOD AND OTHER BIOLOGICAL FLUIDS to survive. THEY ABDUCT HUMANS AND ANIMALS IN ORDER TO ACQUIRE THESE FLUIDS (i.e. being 'vampiristic' in their nature - Branton). They implant small devices near the brain which potentially GIVES THEM TOTAL CONTROL AND MONITORING CAPABILITY. These devices are very difficult to detect. The analysis of the devices by technical staff has produced a description that involves use of crystalline technology combined with molecular circuitry and these ride on the resonant emissions of the brain and the various fields of the human (body). Information is entrained on the brain waves. It appears that all attempts to remove the implants (1972) have resulted in the death of the human. They perform surgery and other operations on human subjects. These abductions continue to be an ongoing matter. A list of abductees is provided periodically to MAJI, although IT IS KNOWN THAT MANY MORE ARE ABDUCTED THAN ARE REPORTED...

Various descriptions of the ALF's relate the following characteristics. Between 3 to 5 feet in height, erect standing biped, small thin build, head larger than humans, absence of auditory lobes (external), absence of body hair, large... eyes (slanted approximately 35 degrees) WHICH ARE OPAQUE BLACK WITH VERTICAL SLIT PUPILS, ARMS RESEMBLING PRAYING MANTIS (normal attitude) which reach to the knees, long hands with small palm, CLAW-LIKE FINGERS (various number of digits - often two short digits and two long, but some species have three or four fingers), tough gray skin WHICH IS REPTILIAN IN TEXTURE, small feet WITH FOUR SMALL CLAW-LIKE TOES... a non-functioning digestive system; TWO SEPARATE BRAINS; movement is deliberate, slow and precise; ALIEN SUBSTANCE REQUIRES THAT THEY MUST HAVE HUMAN BLOOD AND OTHER BIOLOGICAL SUBSTANCES to survive. In extreme circumstances they can subsist on other (cattle, etc.) animal fluids. Food is converted to energy by Chlorophyll, by a photosynthetic process (this supports results gained from autopsies at 29 Palms underground base where it was seen that their 'blood' was greenish and the tissue was black). Waste products are secreted through the skin. The two separate brains are separated by mid-cranial lateral bone (anterior and posterior brain). There is no apparent connection between the two (could one be an 'individual' brain while the other works as a 'collective consciousness' brain? - Branton). Some autopsies have revealed a crystalline network which is thought to have a function in telepathic (and other) functions which help to maintain the group consciousness between members of the same species. Functions of group consciousness in this species does have a disadvantage in that decisions in this species comes rather slowly as the matter at hand filters through the group awareness of those who must make the decision..."

In relation to the above description of 'implant' devices, we will now quote from another short account which appeared in the N.A.R. (now L.E.R.) documents:


"...According to one source, Stan Friedman was either involved with or knew of the extraction of two spherical implants from two cadavers. The implants were examined and opened. Inside there were crystalline structures which were then examined under an electron microscope. Inside the crystalline structure were micro-miniature electronic circuits."
Friedman has according to some researchers held the same views as Jamie Shandera and William Moore, i.e., that the 'Greys' are actually 'benevolent' and the animal mutilations, abductions, underground bases and similar scenarios do not exist. Since these men have allegedly been tied-in with the CIA, which in turn is--according to many sources--now partially or mostly under the control of the alien-grey powers, such statements against the facts would be in keeping with an organization that has been infiltrated via implantation, etc., by malevolent alien forces. Some suspect that Moore is either working for or being misled by certain members of MJ-12 to spread disinformation, while at the same time still admit the existence of UFOs and 'Greys' which is now becoming impossible to refute, and also deny the malevolent aspects. This suggests that in spite of the obvious predatory nature of the saurian greys, certain branches of the CIA are still abiding by the dubious 'treaties' which call for a U.S. government's denial of the abductions, implantations, mutilations, and so on. NAR in it's May, 1989 issue, referred to yet another man who many believe is a blatantly deceiving disinformation agent:


"Philip Klass, self-confessed UFO expert, gave his rendition of what UFOs really are on March 31 and April 1, 1989 at the Spring Valley Library in LAS VEGAS. Arthur C. Clarke, science fiction author, called Klass's recent book 'UFO ABDUCTIONS: A DANGEROUS GAME', a 'welcome breath of sanity in a field where it's sadly lacking.' Unfortunately for both Mr. Clarke and Mr. Klass, the sad fact is that the abduction process is neither a game nor has any degree of perceptible sanity. Many doubt Klass, a former writer assigned to AVIATION WEEK AND SPACE TECHNOLOGY has any conception about what the abductions really involve. Many view Mr. Klass in the same category as William Moore, who many believe to be employed by the Defense Investigative Service. Moore has, over the past year, been involved in diverting attention away from real issues towards MJ-12 documents and other literary busywork, while thousands of abductees struggle to discover their true involvement in 'alien' activities."


The following article, titled 'ALIENS ON EARTH', was written by the Rev. Anthony G. Pike, a United Kingdom correspondent for NICUFO. This article appeared in the Fall, 1991 issue of 'UFO JOURNAL':

"...I have recently received inside information from a British Government source who states that Britain is the World Headquarters for the storage of alien bodies. At present, there are about 300 alien bodies stored in various parts of Britain; of which, about 25 are in suspended animation. Throughout the rest of the world, however, there are only about 60 bodies - including the USA! I then enquired as to the reason why so many bodies were stored in Britain rather than the USA. The answer was that 'Britain can keep a better secret'. You see, Britain has probably more secrets stored away than any other nation on earth, & has numerous laws preventing people from gaining access to those secrets or publishing them through the media. This is illustrated in the fact that Britain has no UFO magazines available on the newsstands. However, a few years back Tim Green Beckley attempted to put 'UFO UNIVERSE' out on the newsstands here, & it lasted for just 2 issues before the Government banned it. There are also very tight restrictions on the media - remember, Britain has only 4 main TV stations; which makes it easier for the Government to (control) what goes out. There is also a branch of M15 at the BBC who prevent any classified information from reaching the public.
I was told that the famous astronomer, Patrick Moore, was warned by M15 that if he wanted to get on in life he better keep quiet about the alien bases he's seen on the moon. I was also informed that there are 1000's of live aliens among us on the earth; & that the aliens are divided up into 5 groups, ie. the human-looking ones, the 12 ft. Giants, small cat-eyes (or vertical-slit pupiled reptilian-eyed beings such as the saurian greys - Branton), wiry aliens & gnome-type aliens. Many of the aliens, however, are living in vast underground bases... Some of the more evil types, such as the 'Greys' are also working hand in glove with the US Government on advanced genetics & mind control. This Secret Government is seeking to control & manipulate the human race for its own end (could this U.S. "secret government" cooperation with the British Empire be tied-in with the allegations made by certain researchers that the 22 "Palladium" Masonic Lodges in charge of Illuminati world revolution originally were spawned from the Grand Lodge of England? Actually A-ALBIONIC RESEARCH., Box 20273., Ferdale, MI 48220., presents much evidence that the Grand Masonic Lodge of London and the Grand Jesuit Lodge of Rome have conspired together for centuries through the 'Illuminati' to take over the nations of the earth and acclimate them into a 'New World Order', including and especially the Christian Republic of America, since it's birth. - Branton)...

I was also informed that our galaxy is governed by a group of beings who one might call an 'Angelis Command Corps.' (fallen or unfallen 'angelics'? - Branton) In this sector they generally meet in the Pleiades & Sirius. My Government source also says that he has personally seen about 50 alien bodies stored in the UK; & that he was taken in a blacked out helicopter somewhere 'up North' to a laboratory run by the British Security Forces where he saw a set of 3 transparent coffins containing 3 giant aliens about 10-12 ft. tall (could these be the human El-Anakim who are believed to have bases deep below the western U.S., Alaska and Mexico, etc.? - Branton). However, the coffins are impregnable & the Government has been unable to break them open. I was also told that 13 sets of similar coffins have been discovered in different parts of the world. Also, the TIMES newspaper last year ran a couple of articles reproduced from Pravda stating that giant aliens have landed in SEVERAL locations in Estonia, Lithuania, & Hungary. In Hungary a whole regiment actually converged with the aliens face to face.


Timothy Good, the British UFO researcher, has been given three letters from the U.S. Government stating that in August 1992, the US government is planning to put UFOs & alien bodies on a show to the public in the COSMIC JOURNEY EXHIBITION. I was also told that the calamities that are taking place are for the good of the planet and are causing people to think about alternatives to the present system... I was told that this collapse of the old order will include a collapse of the PRESENT MONETARY SYSTEM (a prelude to a 'New World Order' inspired by the reptilian greys? - Branton), the IMF & the WORLD BANK. The space people themselves, say they have no frontiers, no passports, & no money. I was also told that the atomic bomb will be phased out; & that present day transportation & energy will be replaced by the LINEAR MOTOR & ELECTRO-MAGNETISM. I was also told that there is a revolutionary new fuel which has been supplied by the aliens to someone in South America who is now running his car on it. I also know that it is possible to run cars on ordinary tap water (there's someone in Australia doing it right now) & that all diseases can be cured with simple H2O2 (water with an extra oxygen molecule on it) including AIDS, cancer, colds & tooth decay (H2O2 is excellent for brushing teeth - it removes all plaque & decay instantly)... - further information on any of the above matters & much more can be obtained by writing to Rev. Anthony G. Pike., 141 Austen Road., South Harrow HA2 OUU Middex, U.K."

The following list of 'entity types' seems to correspond partially with the list given in the above letter. This list of 'aliens' comes from the anonymous Intelligence worker 'Commander X', as he received them from John Lear and other 'inside' sources:


"THREE TYPES OF EBE'S (GRAYS): GRAY-1 - 3 1/2 feet tall. Large head. Large slanted eyes. Worship technology. Don't give a damn about mankind. GRAY-2 - Same type, different finger arrangement, slightly different face. More sophisticated than Gray-1... May not need secretions (large-nosed or large-muzzled grays? - Branton). GRAYS: Same basic type. Lips thinner. More subservient to other two grays.

"BLONDES, SWEDES, NORDICS: Known by any of these monikers. Similar to humans (although it is unknown as to whether they are related to any of the nationalities mentioned). Blond hair, blue eyes. Will not break (so-called) 'universal law' of 'non- interference' to help us...

"INTER-DIMENSIONAL: Entity that can assume various shapes... (most likely fallen angelic. These often apparently utilize androidal forms, temporary energy forms, forms constructed from restructured physical matter, or even physical 'shells' constructed in forms similar to grays, humans or other configurations - Branton)

"HAIRY DWARF'S: Four feet tall, 35 lbs. Extremely strong. Hairy (possibly a degenerate branch of humanoid Sasquatch - Branton).

"VERY TALL RACE: Look like humans but seven or eight feet tall. United with Blondes.

"HUMANS APPEARING SIMILAR TO BLONDES SEEN WITH GRAYS:...Child- like mentality.

"MIB'S: (Men In Black). Wear all black. Sunglasses. Very pale skin. Do nor conform to normal accepted patterns; Extremely sensitive to light..."


Commander X also related the following concerning the 'Inter- Dimensionals' who have obtained physical forms allowing them to operate in the physical world:

"...What the government didn't realize was that they (the Grays) planned to abduct tens of thousands of individuals, plant monitoring devices in their brains, and program them with specific series' of responses to direct commands.

"The EBEs--also behind our backs--began to mutilate cows and other animals because they wished to use their tissues TO CREATE A GENETICALLY ADVANCED RACE OF FLESH AND BLOOD ROBOTS. When the government realized what the EBEs had in mind, and wanted to back out of their agreement, THE 'ALIENS' TOOK OVER SEVERAL UNDERGROUND BASES WHERE THEY HAD ALREADY INSTALLED UNDERGROUND LABORATORIES."

Again, in reference to the 'serpent races', John A. Keel, in his book 'OUR HAUNTED PLANET' (1968. Fawcett Publications., Greenwich, Conn.) has stated:


"...The parahuman Serpent People of the past are still among us. They were probably worshipped by the builders of Stonehenge and the forgotten ridge-making cultures of South America.

"...In some parts of the world the Serpent People successfully posed as gods and imitated the techniques of the superintelligence. This led to the formation of pagan religions centered around human sacrifices. The conflict, so far as man himself was concerned, became one of religions and races. Whole civilizations based upon the worship of these false gods rose and fell in Asia, Africa, and South America. The battleground had been chosen, and the mode of conflict had been decided upon.

"The human race would supply the pawns. The mode of control was complicated as usual. Human beings were largely free of direct control. Each individual HAD TO CONSCIOUSLY COMMIT HIMSELF TO ONE OF THE OPPOSING FORCES...

"The main battle was for what was to become known as the human soul.

"Once an individual had committed himself, he opened a door so that an indefinable something could actually enter his body and exercise some control over his subconscious mind (this would be either the pure Spirit of Christ or the corrupting spirit of anti-Christ. Just as nature hates a vacuum, so does the human spirit. In other words, what Keel is saying is that the human spirit cannot work entirely of it's own, but is a channel or a vessel of 'other' powers, whether good or evil. The act of 'free will' which is given to man is a 'choice' over which of these powers to submit to, and to accept personal responsibility for that choice - Branton).

"...the Serpent People or Omega Group, attacked man in various ways, trying to rid the planet of him. But the superintelligence was still able to look over man... God worked out new ways of communication and control, always in conflict with the Serpent People."

One of the classic examples of combined interaction between the physical Serpent Race and the other-dimensional 'Infernals' in a common cause is given in the case of Brian Scott. According to Commander X, the area where Scott was abducted within the Superstition mountains of Arizona contains an underground base where, he alleged, at least five individuals had been abducted (to the underground base) that he is aware of, Brian Scott being one of them. The Superstition mountains are notorious for the many bizarre deaths and be-headings that have taken place there. Many have alleged that in certain parts of this wasteland a sudden force or irrational impulse can come over a person and cause them to suddenly turn against others in their party. There have been several cases where strange 'voices' have driven treasure-hunters insane and, in some cases, driven them to kill their partners. Even though the following account does not specifically mention the underground base described by Commander X, other sources who have talked to Mr. Scott do suggest that an underground installation was involved. Brad Steiger, in his book 'THE UFO ABDUCTORS' (1988., Berkley Books., N.Y.) describes Brian Scott's experiences as follows:


"...Scott's first abduction reportedly occurred in the Arizona desert near Phoenix in 1971, and he claimed that another had just occurred on December 22, 1975, in Garden Grove, California. In between, Scott said, there were three other terrifying sessions with the aliens and repeated visits to his home by balls of light and a transparent being that called itself the Host.

"Incredibly, Scott found that a friend of his was already inside the craft. The two of them were taken into a small room that began to fill with a fog or a mist. Then they were confronted by four or five 'very horrifying' creatures. Scott described them as having gray skin like that of a crocodile or a rhino, with a thicker patch of hide over the front torso... The beings were seven feet tall, according to Scott, and... had three fingers and a thumb kicked over to one side."

Steiger then records a conversation between Scott and researcher Timothy Green Beckley:

"TIM BECKLEY: What happened on the day when your wife was sent to the hospital?

"SCOTT: She had been to work, pretty much handling everything that was going on around her. Then I got a call that she wasn't feeling very well. I brought her home, and after about fifteen minutes of sitting there talking with her, she was saying several things, none of which made any sense to me or to her. She said that she had been in the bathroom and suddenly felt hands all over her body. It was as if someone had broken into the house and molested her. When she calmed down and started making explanations to me about what the hell was wrong with her, it was as if, from her description, the guys I had seen aboard the craft in 1971 had visiter her. This is odd, because she has never even seen any sketches that I made of those entities.

"BECKLEY: So this was an actual materialization--if you want to call it that--of the entities in the house?

"SCOTT: I don't know what is was.

"BECKLEY: But she was so upset that you decided to take her to the hospital?

"SCOTT: Later that evening, it seemed as if she was okay. I was on the phone, and the baby was getting into everything so I couldn't carry on the conversation. I got up and went looking for my wife. I heard a bumping sound and a moan coming from the bathroom. My wife was on the floor, hyperventilating. I got her up and onto a chair in the living room. I was on my way to call her mother when she just fell flat on her face. I called the paramedics, and while they were on the way, she got up and fell down again. Then she began to become hysterical. It took four paramedics to hold her down. She was throwing people around as if they were tissue paper. Guys were thrown backward against the furniture. Finally they loaded her up in the ambulance. I came back in the house, and the baby was not in the playpen. I panicked, because I couldn't find our one-year-old baby who got out of a playpen!"

Steiger continued:

"Tim Beckley asked Scott about the Host. 'There is one entity that comes through that calls itself the Host, whatever that means,' Scott attempted to explain. 'It speaks in what sounds like some kind of computerized language. The voice seems to come out of me, an inner voice that is not mine. The entity says that I am one with it. It says, "I am; I am" or "You are one with me." When asked if it has a name, it will just come back and say, "I am; I am." (Note: According to Judeo-Christian teaching, as we read in the events surrounding Moses' ascent of Mt. Sinai, Almighty God alone can honestly profess that 'I Am that I Am', which in the original Hebrew means that He alone is self-existence and not dependent on an outside force, as all other created beings are, and therefore is 'God'. The events of molestation which took place against Scott's wife would indicate that 'the Host' IS NOT God, and therefore, as is the nature of the Infernals and the Serpent Races, it irreverently seems to blaspheme Almighty God with such statements as 'I AM' - Branton)

"'The other night we heard some strange sounds coming from the bedroom. I began to speak in a foreign language that we later found out was Greek. Where that came from, I don't know. I wrote in Greek BACKWARD. On top of that, I was writing with my left hand, and I am right-handed.

"'This voice was talking. We asked who it was, and the name Ashtar came out.

"'Then it began to use the name Ashtar and speak to my wife. It told her things about her past that only she could know. This went on for a while, then it went on to say it would give her all the money in the world. It only wanted one thing in return--her soul.'

"Beckley pointed out," Steiger continues "that is sounded as though diabolical entities might be coming onto the scene, attracted by the extreme vibrations. He also observed that ASHTAR sounded very much like ISHTAR, an ancient Babylonian goddess (Note: Ashtar-oth was also the legendary 'consort' to BAAL, the ancient Chaldean 'god' two whom the ancients offered up human sacrifices - Branton).

"...Beckley asked J.D. (an investigator associated with a civilian UFO investigations group who studied the Brian Scott incident) how he would differentiate between what may have originally been an abduction case and the various types of poltergeistic phenomena that now seemed to prompt Scott's resultant trance state. Are they one and the same? Are they closely related mysteries? Or are they entirely different aspects of a more general phenomenon?

"J.D. indicated that he was aware that there had been other cases such as Scott's. The manifestations of balls of light streaking through the homes of contactees and abductees apparently are more frequent than many investigators realize.

"J.D. mentioned that one voice, a horrible voice, came through and claimed to be Beelzebub, the Devil. J.D. was convinced that the entity was simply trying to frighten away the investigators." (we wonder - Branton)


Aside from the 3-fingered, 7 ft. tall 'Crocodilian' creatures encountered by Brian Scott, there was another group involved in his abductions as well. According to Steiger:

"...The secondary group was composed of beings who were small, with frail bodies, milky white skin, large bald heads, thin lips, and enormous eyes... supposedly this group, perhaps from the sixth or seventh planets around the star EPSILON BOOTES, placed a satellite in orbit around our moon... the taller... entities from 'time beyond all time,' have the power to veto actions planned by those beings of the secondary world..."
In reference to the supposed 'mission' these creatures had chosen Brian Scott for, Steiger states:


"...Scott was to design a transportation technology that would move matter through space. He was to master quantum displacement physics and begin to develop a mind transference machine TO BE USED TO UNITE ALL HUMANS. Such a machine would help to develop a philosophy of cosmic brotherhood (as well as kill all personality, individuality and privacy among humans - Branton). The above tasks, of course, would seem impossible for a combination of Einstein and Superman, but they are typical of the type of grandiose mission(s) assigned to so many contactees and abductees."

"...The Master Ashtar appears in much of UFO contactee literature. One cannot help noting the ancient origin of the name Ishtar, Ashtar, Asta, described always as a god of evil and negativity in the Bible... Ashtar seems to belong more to the contactees than the abductees, but there are instances where those who claim to have been forcefully taken aboard UFOs describe an interaction with beings who represent themselves as emissaries of 'Ashtar's Grand Plan.'"

Brian Scott seems to have encountered the same 'Lizard' like or 'Crocodilian' sauroids describes by others, the gan-greenish coloured creatures who are often described as being nearly 7 ft. tall, with reptilian features, and who are believed by many to be the overlords of the large-nosed and common 'Greys', being second only in hierarchy to the pterodactylin 'Mothmen' and of course the 'infernals' themselves, of which the so-called 'Host' seemed to have been a part. Following are still other documented encounters with different branches of this apparently hominoid-saurian race:

Arkady Leokum, writing in a nationally syndicated news article called 'TELL ME WHY', revealed some important facts about the ancient Saurians. His article, titled: 'DINOSAURS DEVELOPED FROM REPTILES', stated the following:


"...Since dinosaurs were reptiles, they must have developed from reptiles that lived before them.

"The first dinosaurs to develop resembled their reptile ancestors, who were like lizards, AND WHO COULD WALK ON THEIR HIND LEGS. Some kinds remained small, but others grew heavier and longer.

"In time, many of them were 6 to 8 feet long. There was even a few 20 feet long and weighing as much as an elephant. They had small heads and short, blunt teeth, which were only good for eating plants. They lived in low, swampy places.

"Then came the next period, the Age of Reptiles. Some of the plant-eating dinosaurs became so large that even four legs couldn't support them on land. They had to spend most of their lives in rivers and swamps. One of these giants was the brontosaurus, 70 to 80 feet long and weighing about 38 tons!

"At the same time, other dinosaurs were able to walk about on land. One of these, allosaurus, was 34 feet long, had sharp teeth and claws, and fed on brontosaurus and other plant eaters.

"So, dinosaurs were a stage in the development of the reptiles.."
This article strongly suggests that the dinosaurs and other reptiles (including amphibians?) were/are an extremely adaptable race, capable of mutating to an incredible degree to "fit in" to whatever environment these creatures found themselves in. Also, the fact that some "dinosaurs" became sea-going beasts suggest that ALL (both reptilians and amphibians) may have originated from a single group of 6-8 ft. long bi-ped lizards which roamed the earth in ancient times.

There are indications that the original 'Nachash' or 'Serpent' of Hebrew tradition and history possessed both reptilian, draconian as well as amphibian features, and was in fact a hominoid creature. Even today, reptilians and amphibians possess similar characteristics scales, claws, webbed appendages, etc. Scientists tell us that snakes, pleseosaurs (such as allegedly dwells in Loch Ness in Scotland, former home of the satanist Aliester Crowley who expressed his own fascination with the 'beast' of the Loch) and other aquatic or semi-aquatic reptiles--and amphibians--once possessed lizard-saurian like limbs before taking up an aquatic or semi-aquatic existence, after which the limbs became atrophied. This may explain why AMPHIBIANS of hominoid form have, like their reptilian counterparts, been seen on occasion, and have even caused serious physical injury, unprovoked, to witnesses on the scene.


The following accounts, which appear in 'CURIOUS ENCOUNTERS', by Loren Coleman (Faber & Faber., Boston, Mass. 1985) pp. 70-76, describe encounters with reptilian and/or amphibian hominoid or bi-ped creatures of a semi-aquatic nature. We might conclude, based on the above, that the following accounts may involve yet another branch or branches of the "Serpent Race" which, although extremely adaptable like a mutating virus, nevertheless may have had a common root in the upright-walking lizards that preceded the dinosaurs thousands of years ago. The author's reference to "Bigfoot", at least in these cases, refer to the reptilian-amphibian hominoids that have been observed, and should not be associated with the "hairy giants" or humanoids who, unlike the creatures described here, are apparently part of the human family. Loren Coleman describes some encounters with these non-human beasts which have taken place near the west coast:


"One classic Bigfoot story, (discussed in some detail in MYSTERIOUS AMERICA) namely, the Wetzel/Riverside, California sighting on 8 November 1958, CLEARLY FITS THE REPTILIAN MODE better than the anthropoid one. Wetzel described, as you may recall, the fluorescent- eyed 'thing' as having a protuberant mouth and a body COVERED WITH SCALES, looking like leaves. Wetzel's 'thing' emerged from the Santa Ana River underbrush.

"The connection to water is a strong theme in all of these accounts so it is not so surprising that the next puzzle comes from the lake monster file. Trekking up the West Coast, the following report concerns a monster that actually looks like it stepped out of the wardrobe room of the Black Lagoon movie.

"Thetis Lake is near Cottonwood, British Columbia, not far from Victoria, Cadboro Bay, off Victoria and Vancouver Island, (and) is well known for the perennial sea monster 'Cadborosaurus.' So understandably a new creature in the neighborhood would be grouped under the same type of facade by the press. But the Thetis monster appears to be something else altogether.

"On 19 August 1972 Gordon Pike and Robin Flewellyn said a five- foot-tall animal appeared on the surface of Thetis Lake AND CHASED THEM FROM THE BEACH. Flewellyn was CUT on the hand by six razor-sharp points atop the monster's head. A Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer was quoted at the time as saying: 'The boys seem sincere, and until we determine otherwise we have no alternative but to continue our investigation.'

"The next Wednesday afternoon, 23 August, the Thetis Monster was encountered again. Mike Gold and Russell Van Nice said they saw 'it' around 3:30 P.M. and on the other side of the lake away from the recreation area of its first appearance. Mike Gold noted: 'It came out of the water and looked around. Then it went back into the water. Then we ran!' He described the creature as 'shaped like an ordinary body, like a human being body but it had a monster face, and it was all scaly (with) a point sticking out of its head (and) great big ears.' It was silver.

"The Thetis monster account sounds similar to one from Saginaw, Michigan, occurring in 1937. A man-like monster climbed up a river bank, leaned against a tree, and then returned to the river. The fisherman who witnessed this appearance suffered a nervous breakdown. This Saginaw tale, the reports of clawed and three-toed prints from Wisconsin to Missouri, and other supposedly 'Bigfoot' or 'manimal' encounters perhaps should be reexamined in light of the REPTILIAN creatures from the Black Lagoon.

"The big Deltox Swamp, Wisconsin flap, investigated by Ivan T. Sanderson in 1979, for example, has always been shelved with Bigfoot reports. But what is to be made of the tracks of the creature, like footprints of 'a good-sized man with swim fins.'

"This trait is a more frequent characteristic in the so-called eastern Bigfoot reports than you might realize. For example, there's the case of the creature of Charles Mill Lake in Mansfield, Ohio. A green-eyed, seven-foot-tall, seemingly armless humanoid, seen late in March 1959 by Michael Lane, Wayne Armstrong, and Dennis Patterson, came out of the lake and left behind 'tracks that resembled the footgear worn by skin divers.' The thing was seen again in 1963 and described as 'luminous and green-eyed.' I examined the site of these encounters and can testify to the Charles Mill Lake's swampy affinities--certainly a good home for a Black Lagoon beast...

"In 1973, during the summer, residents of New Jersey's Newton- Lafayette area described A GIANT, MAN-LIKE ALLIGATOR they had seen locally. Newspaper reporters wrote about an old Indian tale from the region that told of a giant, man-sized fish that could never be caught. In 1977, New York State Conservation Naturalist Alfred Hulstruck reported that the state's Southern Tier had 'a scaled, man- like creature (that) appears at dusk from the red, algae-ridden waters to forage among the fern and moss-covered uplands.'

"The New York-New Jersey record, however, cannot compare with the overwhelming series of narratives issuing from one place in the United States, the Ohio River Valley.

"Over twenty years ago, by digging into the back issues of the Louisville, Kentucky, COURIER-JOURNAL, I discovered one of those gems that has kept me pondering its meaning for two decades. The interesting little item was in the 24 October 1878 issue. A 'WIld Man of the Woods' was captured, supposedly, in Tennessee, and then placed on exhibit in Louisville. The creature was described as being six feet, five inches tall, and having eyes twice the normal size. His body was 'COVERED WITH SCALES.' This article now makes some sense.

"And then almost a hundred years later, again near Louisville, there are more stories of REPTILIAN ENTITIES. In October 1975, near Milton, Kentucky, Clarence Cable reported a 'giant lizard' was roaming the forests near his junkyard. Author Peter Guttilla described the creature Cable surprised as 'about fifteen feet long, had a foot-long forked tongue, and big eyes that bulged something like a frog's. It was dull-white with black-and-white stripes across its body with quarter-size speckles over it.'

"On-site field investigations by Mark A. Hall, however, indicated this 'giant lizard' RAN BIPEDALLY, according to OTHER Trimble County, Kentucky witnesses. The Ohio River is Louisville's, Milton's, and Trimble county's northern boundary.

"On 21 August 1955, near Evansville, Indiana, Mrs. Darwin Johnson was almost pulled forever into the depths of the Ohio River. In what seems to be a very close meeting with one of those creatures, Mrs. Johnson, of Godtown, Indiana, was swimming with her friend Mrs. Chris Lamble about fifteen feet from the shore when SUDDENLY SOMETHING GRABBED HER FROM UNDER THE SURFACE. It felt like the 'hand' had huge claws and 'furry' (or scaly?) palms. It came up from behind, grabbed her left leg, grabbed her knee, and pulled her under. She kicked and fought herself free. It pulled her under again. Although both women could not see the thing, they


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"In any case, the Air Force has arrived to the conclusion that a certain number of anomalous phenomena has been produced within Belgian airspace. The numerous testimonies of ground observations compiled in this [SOBEPS] book, reinforced by the reports of the night of March 30-31 [1990], have led us to face the hypothesis that a certain number of unauthorized aerial activities have taken place. Until now, not a single trace of aggressiveness has been signaled; military or civilian air traffic has not been perturbed nor threatened. We can therefore advance that the presumed activities do not constitute a direct menace." "The day will come undoubtedly when the phenomenon will be observed with technological means of detection and collection that won't leave a single doubt about its origin. This should lift a part of the veil that has covered the mystery for a long time. A mystery that continues to the present. But it exists, it is real, and that in itself is an important conclusion."

-Major-General Wilfred de Brouwer, Deputy Chief, Royal Belgian Air Force, "Postface" in SOBEPS' Vague d'OVNI sur la Belgique - Un Dossier Exceptionnel, Brussels: SOBEPS, 1991.


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Adamic / Evadamic Hybrids Alpha Centaurians Altairians Andromedains
Antarieans Arcturians Blues / Greens Browns / Greys
Cassiopaeans Draconian Reptilians ELs or EL Hybrids Hybrids / Mixed Species
Hydra Reptilians Iguaniods Insectiods / Mantas Lacertian Reptilians
Lemurian Hybrids Luciferians Lyrans Martians
Neonates Nordics / Agathartians Orions Other Grey Species
Pleiadans Raelians Reptilians / Reptiods Subterranean Reptilians
Serpentine Reptilians Sirius Beings Sirius Reptilians Son's of Darkness
Son's of Light The Ancients Ultratraterrestrials Urantian
Vampuria Reptilians Vegans Venusians White Brotherhood of Light
Winged Draconians Zeta Riticulans


Miscellaneous Possibly Related Species ( Non alphabetized)



Mothman / Mothmen Bigfoot / Sasquach Chupacabras Men in Black / MIB's
Abominable Snowman Anunnaki Nephilim / Nephilim Gypsies
MILABS Military Abductions Satyrs Plasma Craft UFO Tubes, Rods



Adamic / Evadamic Hybrids

Some people call these the first humans, possibly first hybrid descendants of the Anunnaki . It is believed that the Adam / Eve theme shows up in many cultures over every continent in in many ancient texts. It is also believed that there are two races of beings within our universal locale; Draconians (reptiles) and the Evadamic (human) which battled for domination of Terra, or Earth.

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Alpha Centaurians

A humanoid species that has aquatic qualities such as gills, webbed feet an hands allowing them to live beneath our seas. They possibly inhabit our deep ocean depths and piloting UFO's often seen coming out of our oceans. They have been accredited with cattle mutilations, possess such an advanced weapons systems that other specie swill not war with them. Yet others claim they are here to enlighten our consciousness. Also they've been described as being a luminous bluish gray in color of various height.

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Altairians

Supposedly a reptilian ( have seen them described as humanoid/reptilian) species that is associated with the Constellation Aquila, in the Altair solar system. Almost romantic descriptions have been given, they are nomads among the stars, friends to some species of Nordics, Greys Other planetary military (including ours) and actually help defend Draconians. Also league with The Ashtar Command.

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Andromedains

Are they myth or reality? Ancient Greek mythology suggest these 'beings' are in association with the gods from the star system Cassiopeia. The brave Perseus had to kill Medusa (a reptilian?) and then took Andromeda's hand in marriage. There is more fiction based info on the Internet than dealing with UFO alien being related information.

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Antarieans

A humanoid species associated with underground bases on earth under Antarctica and associated with fair haired pale skinned races. In some explanations, it's said that these creatures also have reptilian qualities, like slits instead of regular pupils and eye colors ranging from pale yellow to bright green more in tune with a cat or snakes.

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Arcturians

According to Edgar Cayce, the Arcturians are supposedly the most advanced beings in our Galaxy with the ability for dimensional travel. Their society which is a similar structure to that of earth. Apparently they are supposed to bring peace among warring planets.

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Blues / Greens

They've been described as short and stocky as in Whitley Strieber's book, 'Communion'. They are uniformed have wide faces and a darker blue color with almost comic movements, appearing to float or glide along. In Whitley's experience, they were behaving like medical doctors and examined him. Others have described as looking like a typical Grey except for the coloration and even humanoid varying from dark to brilliant blue.

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Browns / Greys


Browns are rarer, like the rare blues and there are several grey species. Browns have been describes as 3 -7 feet tall, in various shades of brown to a tan color. Skin has been described in some cases a leathery, wrinkled appearance and eye size varies from a large almond shape to small and reptile like.

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Cassiopaeans

The Cassiopaeans are supposedly a highly advanced intelligent race of humanoids from the star system of Cassiopeia. Several New Age groups proclaim to channel these beings via telepathic communications. This is another possibly another race based in more myth than fact. They have be described as beings of light, beings with halos or appearing in a dimensional energy form surrounded by light. Note: Coming form a former channeling cult I cannot place much stock in depending on channeled information as a source for credible information dealing with entities or aliens.)

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Draconian Reptilians

Will describe all forms of reptilian beings...so many species that each has it's own category. These are called Drac's for short and have a reputation of being cunning, highly intelligent, are very predatory warlike creatures. These are not the good guys, although many people would argue the point. They have been connected to Roswell, New Mexico cover-up and Dulce Caverns in New Mexico, to underground military bases supposedly in connection with our government and MILABS. They have webbed fingers, nails which resemble talons, with various shades of dark greenish grey scaly skin and have reptile eyes in various colors. They have the ability to shape shift and mask as human. They seem to feed off human energy, fear or other highly charged emotions. Several sources claim they are the original inhabitants of Earth and were driven from the planet by the visiting Adamic / Evadamic (humanoid species) race who may have been part of the Anunnaki and headed for the Draco Star System, many thousands of years ago and will return to take over earth again.

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EL's or EL Hybrids

These are godlike beings of super human strength intelligence and abilities often thought to be the first peoples or akin to a mating of sky gods and mankind. It's possible that these are what many ancient mythologies are based upon. There are several descriptions that would fit early Greek accounts of humans with super human powers such as Cronus ( the father of the universe) and Rhea who are the parents of Zeus.

The El's are said to be related to the Phoenician and Canaanite gods called the Elohim which is found in conjunction with Ezekiel's Wheel, and the pillars of fire that many claim is proof of extraterrestrial visitation. The word EL, translates into meaning, powerful -- "The Strong (or Powerful) One."

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Hybrids / Mixed Species

There are many accounts of hybrids with just about every alien species. Blow are a few that have been aptly described.

The Grey/ Human Hybrid -- Many abductees describe accounts of seeing half human/ alien children in which they are periodically made to bond with. Children are often described as having oversized heads, large human or alien eyes small noses, small mouths and sparse hair in various colors. Their skin color varies between grey to pale white body type is slim to emaciated but there's been a few descriptions of seeing children who are of normal weight. Many abductees also remember seeing living fetus hybrids in tanks apparently waiting to be born.



The Reptilian/Human Hybrid-- Apparently reptilian human hybrids don't look different from other humans. There are accounts throughout history of a serpent race of beings who mated with mankind to create a new bloodline. Some people believe that the human race of homo-erectus IS the genetic coupling of reptilians and humanoids. There is evidence of a godlike race (in some descriptions a serpent race) which visited earth and coupled with humans. There are many accounts written on clay tablets from the Sumerian era. This theme permeates many cultures. It's also believed that these reptilian hybrid bloodlines are aristocratic and comprised of kings, royals and noblemen starting in the middle east and spreading to every continent. Some people claim they have the ability to see through the human outer shell into the reptilian underneath.

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Hydra Reptilians


An aquatic reptilian species that lives in or near water, are around 5 feet tall, they have scaly webbed feet and hands. as well as gills and began reportedly coming from the constellation Hydra (also called 'The Sea Serpent') which is comprised of three star systems of Beta Hydrae, Epsilon Hydrae and N Hydrae. In Greek mythology there are the dragons Hydra, Python, and the dragon Typhon, all serpent like.

There are many names of serpent gods and goddesses for that matter throughout every continent including hybrid prototypes engraved on tombs, on walls of unearthed ancient cities in the middle east.

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Insectiods / Mantas


Insect like beings , with big big like eyes and thin mantas like bodies. They have been described as being 4 to 7 feet tall and are usually accompanied with small neonatal types of grays. Some have been described as wearing hooded capes or robes. According to reports, both malevolent and benevolent agendas are being administered.

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Iguaniods

Approximately 4-5 ft. tall, with a thick base tail which touches the ground, much like an Iguana as well a hominid exterior. Abductees have often described them as seen wearing hooded monk type robes, capes which conceal there reptilian look which include tails. They seem to have a malevolent agenda, and some claim they are associated with sorcery, black magic.




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Lacertian Reptilians

A species of aquatic reptilians from these have been described as lizard-like creatures 4- 6 feet tall, with gills, scales on various colors and are of the reptilian order. Some believe they were once depicted as ancient half fish/human gods of Syrian decent. They are reported to possess telepathic abilities as well as the ability to place thoughts inside humans. They are supposedly from the constellation Lacerta, the called the lizard, which extends from the head of the constellation Cepheus to the foot of the star system Perseus. Women experiencers have described being deceived and raped as these creatures had the ability to mask as movie or rock stars in dream-like experiences. They've illustrated scenes of tepid enclosed rooms with warm pools of water that are used to mate with both male and female humans. There ships have been described as either wormlike or triangular.

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Lemurian Hybrids

Lemurians are a humanoid species that hale from Pleiades. They are humanoids, dark hair and olive skin, usually brown almond-like eyes and supposedly settled in India and other areas of the middle east. They are supposedly here to enlighten the consciousness and traveled here many millennium ago because of the vibrant natural resources of what they call Terra (earth). There are several groups of people who claim to be channeling Lemurians message of peace.



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Luciferians

They've been described as the demonic manifestation of the the alien races and have been depicted as looking like earth bound demons but have the ability to mask as human. Others have stated they are a dominant species with intent on taking over earth and enslaving humans and are supposedly connected to the Illuminati. Most likely they are reptilian in origin, as the description implies.



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Lyrans

The human inhabitants of Lyra, who are said to have a common origin with earths human species, and the species of Terran who are supposedly bent on taking over our galaxy. They come in all shapes, sizes from dark-skinned to Caucasian there is supposedly a red haired, light skinned giant race, with rather large features. Lyrans were evidently driven out of their star system several thousand of years ago and relocated to many areas in the galaxy.

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Martians

Martians are obviously supposedly form our solar systems planet Mars. They been described as small little green men with antennae, or as an lizard like reptilian inner planet species, even humanoid. Most every description has been given. Some schools of thought think that Mars was once inhabited by humans, and they escaped to earth when resources dried up. Other believed that a Martian planetary upheaval war/planetary changes due to a pole shift. Surprisingly recent discoveries of water underneath the poles, and clear evidence of river channels, etc. makes one wonder.

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Neonates


The Neonates are an alien species with extreme intelligence. Neonates are three to four feet tall, have a fetus-like facial appearance and a large oversized cranium. They are thin muscled and spindly, have light gray to dark cream-colored skin, five digits on each hand and are reported to possess telepathic abilities. Neonates are often times mistaken for Greys, another similar alien species in stature and color. However, the Neonates (unlike the grays) have pupils and retinas in their unusually large eyes. The eyes of Alien Greys are large too, but they are entirely black and have no distinguishable pupils or retinas in them. Alien Greys have only four digits on each hand as opposed to the five digits on each hand of the Neonate.

It was the Neonate species that was reportedly involved in the Roswell New Mexico UFO crash in 1947. It is also the Neonate species that allegedly abducted Betty and Barney Hill in 1962; the first documented ‘Alien Abduction’ case on record. During that abduction Betty Hill was told by these Neonate aliens that they originated from the Zeta Riticuli star system.



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Nordics / Agathartians


A tall race of blond haired, blue eyed humanoids often related to the star system Pleiades'. Both male and females are well built with muscular athletic bodies and stand over 6 feet tall. Facial features are humanoid, with eyes, nose and lips that vary in size. They are described as a benevolent race in connection with contact experiences.

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Orions

As the Nordics are light haired and eyed, the Orions have been reported to be tall, dark haired with brown almond shaped eyes and have a malevolent war like personas. Others claim they are the keepers of the heavens and actually prevent the malevolent Draconian species from attacking earth while other reports claim they are in conjunction with other warlike malevolent species.

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Other Grey Species

There are as many descriptions of Greys as there are shades of gray. Other species include heights ranging from 2 to 12 feet tall, willowy to muscular bodies large eyes to small humanlike eyes. Skin textures have been describes as fine scales, to the feeling of eel skin and human hairless skin.

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Pleiadans


Usually tall and human looking , Pleiadans have been described as the other humanoid race of the universe with varying hair and eye and skin colors, One species is supposedly look human, but with luminous blue skin a thick wooly red hair.

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Raelians

Human people posing as aliens..formed in the mind of cult guru Rael ( The Clonaid people, who've recently have unsubstantiated claims of cloning the first human.) Raelians are supposed to ascendants be our human race and the missing link. Supposedly this group seeded earth with another indigenous species which made humans as we are today. A whole subculture of world wide believers have grown around the leader. Similar to the Uranthans.

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Reptilians / Reptiods


There are a variety of Reptilian species that are non hominid, bipedal and literally cool or cold blooded. There have been rare reports of a positive interaction with them. Descriptions vary, but a commonality seem to be the reptilian features of greenish grey reptile flesh colored skin with eyes that have slits. They range in all heights as well, including tails and sheaths which hide theor sexual organs. A Majority of reports claim they are perpetuating malevolent agendas.

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Subterranean Reptilians

A species of Reptiods that is said to inhabit the subterraneous areas of Earth, the Moon and Mars. Apparently they claim to be earths original inhabitants and say the were driven underground by rogue aliens called Terrans. There is a whole sub culture of people who believe that they are from these reptilian/human bloodlines.

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Serpentine Reptilians

Reptilians that are snake like in appearance with yellow to red colored irises and elongated pupils. They have been reported to being dark greenish gray, over several feet tall with viper shaped heads, long tails and snake like scales. They have snake like movements. Others have reported them to be giant snakes, larger than the Anaconda, and they are sentinels, guards that will capture or kill humans who get too close to discovering subterranean reptilian species.

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Sirius Reptilians



This is an aquatic reptilian species supposedly from our neighboring Dog Star Sirius. They have been described as bipedal, average in height with webbed hands and feet with gills, and others believe they are associated with the half human, half fish or mermaids and mermen. Supposedly the species have underwater bases on earth.

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Sirius Beings




The Dogon peoples of Sudan, Africa believe that they received their vast knowledge of the stars from visitors to Earth, called Nommos - who are amphibian beings sent to Earth from Sirius for the benefit of humanity. The Sumerians depicted their gods as half human/fish and claimed these gods fell from the sky.





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Son's of Darkness

This is a species that has supposedly perpetuated a war within our universe to battle for the human soul, and domination over all humanoid species since the beginning of time. It's unclear if they are a true alien species or demonic as both sides of the Bible and UFO camps claim them as their own. There has been reference to them in the Bible, and in other religious texts.My Research suggests they may be a little of both.

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Son's of Light

This is a species that fights the Sons of Darkness within our universe to battle for the human soul, and supposedly sent to protect all humanoid species since the beginning of time. It's unclear if they are a true alien species or angelic. There has been reference to them in the Bible, and in other religious texts including the Keys of Enoch.

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The Ancients

Supposedly the first species to come to earth and taught humankind the ability to grow crops and organize in communities. They are connected to the Phoenicians, Egypt and referenced in the Bible.

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Ultra terrestrials

Supposedly the species of Greys that were involved in the infamous Roswell, New Mexico crash They are described as beings with large heads, willowy bodies. Supposedly, these creatures who gave the government a technological boost in exchange for human experimentation.

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Urantian

According to believers the Urantia Brotherhood are benevolent teachers of the universe and are human looking. They are described as humanoid, in all shapes, colors and sizes. They were sent to help humanity to recover before the end times They will supposedly manifest before humans destroy themselves. A whole subculture of believers have formed around the Book of Urantia. Very similar to the the structure and belief of Raelians.

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Vampuria Reptilians

Supposedly a species of reptilian that sustains its life force by siphoning off human energies and emotions. They are several feet with a bulb like hump between their foreheads, elongated arms and legs, eyes are red with slits for pupils, the bodies are reptile like bipedal and hands have four digits with dark talons



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Vegans

Supposedly a couple of species exist. The humanoid species descended as refugees from the Lyran Wars, they work closely with other refugee-colonists now living in the Pleiades. They look human are said to be gentle and peaceful.

The second group is also humanoid but with the characteristics of a reptile or insect like, they are described as having a greenish tint to their skin, but colors range from flesh to black. Both species are said to have large eyes

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Venusians

Brought into popularity by the late George Adamski , Venusians are supposedly humanoid looking with various skin and eye colors. They wear military type uniforms and working with the world governments as well as monitoring earthlings progress. They supposedly have underground bases in the Nevada desert.

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White Brotherhood of Light

These are supposedly humanoid beings that are comprised of brilliant light bodies in various shimmering colors. They are supposedly covertly helping humankind to become spiritual peaceful race. They apparently are teachers , do not have direct physical communication and prefer to channel their information.

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Winged Draconians


They are tall, over seven feet, reptilians with dark reptile scales, elongated hands with thick black talons on 4 fingers. Their features are pointed and angular, large reptile eyes and thin but muscular bodies. They have the ability to shape **** to propagate. They are hostile in their abductions, they've been known to manipulate and invade dreamscapes. They feed of the emotions and energies of fear, anger. and use hypnosis , mind control .A very cunning aggressive reptilian species with the ability for trans-dimensional travel. It appears that their sole agenda is to destroy the souls of humans, humanoid species throughout the universe.

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Zeta Reticulans




A grey species , generally around 4 feet tall in various shades of gray, with large heads and large shiny black eyes. there body structures are thin, and they have the ability to telepathically communicate with each other as well as humans. Zetas who are largely responsible for abductions. Some claim they have a benevolent intent while other claim they are like drones who do lab work and other experiments possibly for another species.

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Miscellaneous Possibly Related Species



Mothman / Mothmen

The Mothman is a winged entity which has the ability to shape shift into anything it desires. Sightings of this creature are worldwide and it seems to just appear after a UFO flap but doesn't seem related. According to lore, It first appeared in Virginia in 1966. It appears to several people in the same locale, effecting their psychic ability to predict future events and then it will vanish prior to a major catastrophic event.

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Bigfoot / Sasquatch

It is also called Yeti, Abdominal Snowman and Skunk Ape. This large hairy / furry creature has been reported worldwide throughout various cultures and on every continent The descriptions are similar; several feet tall with varying fur colors, it is a hominid species, possibly relating to the ape family but it's bipedal walking completely upright. Sightings indicate it is an intelligent creature with human like movements. It's often described as having a very foul body odor.

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Chupacabras


It drives its name from the term 'goat sucker' because is literally drinks the blood of its victims. The physical descriptions vary in height. But is generally described as about four feet tall with large red elongated eyes, grey skin that is part fur and part feathers, short arms with claws, legs like a kangaroo, and a line of sharp spikes down the middle of it's back. They are supposedly very powerful animals. Some reports indicate it has wings and can fly. It's been reported in both North and South America as well as the Caribbean. And appears in conjunction with UFO sightings.

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Abominable Snowman

See Bigfoot description, but often described as white.

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Men in Black / MIB's



Humans who have unusual almost artificial features, almost looking like clones of each other. They are of average height, average looks, dark hair and eyes and appear to be extremely well groomed. They dress in dark or black suits, or other clothing and wear thick soled black shoes. They appear after a UFO sighting or abduction experience often asking unusual questions about the event or even talking in gibberish, and not making any sense. They have been known to represent themselves as government officials and issue threats about discussing the sighting, experience with anyone. This phenomenon is often reported in conjunction with UFO sightings

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Anunnaki

Described in the Bible and other ancient text as the sons of heaven who came down to mate with women of earth because they found them fair. There is mention of the Anunnnaki / and Nefilim in ancient Sumerian writings as the sons of God. Zecharia Sitchin in his series of books called 'The Earth Chronicles' writes that the Anunnaki are a race of beings that come from our solar systems 12th planet called Nibru. See also Nefilim

The planet is supposedly on an elliptical orbit with earth and comes around every 3500 years. Its also suggested that these aliens are the ascendants of the latest version of Cro-Magnon Man, mated with human species because they found us genetically compatible. In other words they are supposedly the missing link.



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Nefilim (also spelled Nephilim)

The fallen 'Angels of Heaven' perhaps, some claim they are the hybrids of the 'Watchers' and inter-mated with the women of earth during the time of Noah. They were giants that were seven to ten feet tall. According to some research The Anunnaki and Nefilim might be one and the same species.

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Nibiruans See Anunnaki

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Gypsies

Some reports refer to the Gypsies as having a connection with the UFO mystery or knowledge of alien races. The Gypsies purportedly hold knowledge of an ancient war, UFO crafts and technology, etc. It is supposedly a carefully guarded secret among various Gypsy tribes. Some claim to have traced the Gypsies back to ancient India, Egypt and other middle eastern regions. Many scattered across Europe

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MILABS Military Abductions

It's been reported that all branches of the military have been involved in a military cover-up of untold proportions and actually abduct people to make them think they have been abducted by aliens.

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Satyrs
Small hairy humanoids with cloven hoofs which inhabit deep caverns beneath South America and elsewhere. According to some reports, They may be members of a pre- Adamic race which possessed angelic, animal AND humanoid characteristics. Now allied with the reptilians. They have been known, according to natives, to 'kidnap' women and children down through the ages and many stories are told of South American tribes who have battled these creatures with machetes during certain of their forays to the surface in search for women, children or food.

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Plasma Craft UFO



This type of anomaly has been described as looking like a huge floating jellyfish. It appears to pulsate like a living creature and has been described as having rotating colors of red, golden yellow and white. It seems intelligently powered either as a living entity or a possible craft and has been spotted hovering over houses, roadways before disappearing.

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Tubes or Rods

This is a recent anomaly occurs near or around many UFO sightings. It is an elongated tube shape anomaly that erratically moves in all directions. It's been captured on camera and video film footage and isn't a film glitch or camera anomaly often unnoticed until film is developed or video footage is played back.

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