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Title: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Mark of Australia on November 19, 2007, 05:41:50 pm
Ok, thanks to all of you who could make it this afternoon on such short notice,although I'm sure any excuse to hang out at this beautiful cafe on the foreshore huh?  ...-GET ON WITH IT !-  

 ok sorry   this Special General Meeting has been called to discuss ,among other things, a pressing issue ,I wont beat around the bush ,but it concerns certain posting behaviours of certain members under certain circumstances... -That IS STILL beating around bush !-

oops , well obviously everyone can air their grievances here and now concerning Trollish behaviour AND, lets face it... Obsessive Atlantis Loonies.  :o

There! ,are you happy now ,I said it .

Now as the Administrators have all bailed on us this afternoon for a roadtrip up the coast instead  ;D I have taken it upon myself to be Speaker ...oh and I'll also take the additional title of 'Morale Officer'   :D  ..oh and I'd like a shrubbery too.

So what we'll do is go around the courtyard (this really is a lovely outdoor area) and get the views of all those present concerning their biggest 'issue' with the forum and/or it's members.

 ...Why don't you go first??    Oh ok ,you're all so kind

 Firstly there is the famed Bluehue ,he's great ,mainly because I haven't heard from him for ages.(absence makes the heart grow fonder I guess ::)) .He is our original loonie/Troll ,he is the perfect template for identifying Atlantis nutcases. Now I see we have a new contender...more on that in a sec....

But recently there has been a fairly large influx of members and for the sake of coherence we really need to try to avoid vicious lurches off-topic in the space of a single post.

  Ok no more beating about the bush , In recent times I've noticed Mario Dantas starting to acquire behaviour like BlueHue.Saying things like ,"Why wont people respond to my ideas? ","I'm still waiting for a reply," 

I guess the incident that brought this SGM on was that insulting ,megolamaniacal,borderline-schizophrenic and chauvanistic rant Mario made at Bianca which he has since removed..oh and removing Posts is really annoying,it screws up the whole continuity of the 'conversation'. That was really pathetic Mario .I haven't responded to your Greenland theory ,maybe once I recall ,but the reason is because all of your so-called evidence I find ridiculous or thin on the ground indeed. That's just my opinion.Please don't beg people to give your theory attention ,they'll read what they want ,take a hint mate.....

For the benefit of the self-centred theorists it needs to be remembered that everyone is going to have there OWN views and theories about Atlantis etc. So when someone doesn't believe your theory or disputes it ...GET OVER IT !  DON'T TAKE IT PERSONALLY.

...But their arguments against my theories are totally irrational and stupid  

  AGAIN , GET OVER IT .

...ahh  I feel better now ,ok moving on ...

Now I am not one to be totally strict about posting on topic like it is on some other forums, but if you feel the urge to post something entirely different to what's being discussed why not just start a new thread ?   :o fancy that  ::)  Now Mario ,I see you have progressed in your condition to the point of 'ambushing' threads to try to turn the topic to your theory...very BlueHue-esque ...  Nip it in the bud

Well I'd better let someone else have a go airing their grievances.

Where's my coffee waitress ? ::) All that ranting has made me thirsty... ,who's turn is it now ?? :)


P.S.  Uh oh    :-X ,judging from the length of the rant and the use of coloured text I may be showing the symptoms  :'(



Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Bianca on November 19, 2007, 08:19:14 pm





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Awww come on Nikas , don't be like that . Let people believe what they want about Atlantis. It doesn't matter until someone actually finds it.

Oh ,and Horus congrats on becoming a Hero member   . I shouldn't go on about it though ,you might get all big-headed about it and become a tyrant like certain people around the place.
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I didnt say anything, he comes in here like he knows me or something. We chated like for 3-4 days. I didn't like it and I unsubscribed from that site.

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Ok fair enough , 

but it begs the question Nikas....  what do you have to gain from this site ??
 
 


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Brooke on November 19, 2007, 08:41:14 pm
Well gee, Mark, you know that Atlantis tends to attract people who don't always have respect for scientific method!  It takes time to learn respect for it - how it works, why we should place our faith in it! 

Atlantis, by it's very nature is going to attract a lot of pseudo-science to it.  On the other hand, until we can actually agree on what Atlantis was, we can't be sure which person is wrong and who isn't, right, now can we?

Brooke


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Bianca on November 19, 2007, 08:47:47 pm


QUOTE:


Well gee, Mark, tou know that Atlantis tends to attract people who don't always have respect for scientific method!  It takes time to learn respect for it - how it works, why we should place our faith in it! 

Atlantis, by it's very nature is going to attract a lot of pseudo-science to it.  On the other hand, until we can actually agree on what Atlantis was, we can't be sure which person is wrong and who isn't, right, now can we?

Brooke



With all due respect, Brooke, I don't think we are discussing the same topic......


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Qoais on November 20, 2007, 01:11:47 am
I haven't been visiting all the threads in the forum, so I didn't know Mario had made comments to Bianca, so I can't comment on that.

Perhaps, we should have a "rule of thumb" we could all use in these situations.

If we find someone annoying, or don't appreciate their behavior in "our" thread, or feel they are being dusruptive and have caught "Atlantis Fever", I think our first protocol should be to privately e-mail that person, and diplomatically explain to that person, why we don't appreciate their behavior. 

If the behavior continues, then perhaps a second private e-mail - stating our case in more blunt terms would be in order.

Then, on the third occasion of unappreciated behavior, one can publically challenge that person in the thread.  Maybe we could use a protocol such as typing in the word WARNING at the beginning of the post, and then use a stanardized line something like "Qoais - I don't appreciate your attitude and have asked you privately to discontinue.  Please start a new thread if you wish to discuss a different topic.

I realize some folks get very carried away in their enthusiasm especially when they first start in on the subject of Atlantis and more especially when they feel they might have discovered something everyone else missed.  It's like finding Eldorado, or the mother load, and the excitement is hard to contain, and you want to yell it from the roof tops, then you want to hide it so no one else figures it out.  Not exactly to air dirty laundry here, but Nikas himself went thru what Mario is going thru, on Sarmast's forum, didn't you Nikas? 




Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Mark of Australia on November 20, 2007, 03:33:24 am
Bianca , 

 just quoting the offending post ? ...I like your style  ;)


Hi Qoais , Thanks for the constructive reply. What you are suggesting can be tried out and I think I did try something along those lines with BlueHue except that I tried it back-to-front  :P . 1.) I publicly challenged him in the forum but the trollism continued .2.)  Private messaged him quite bluntly ...Trollism continues.  3.) I realised he was devoid of understanding on matters of forum ettiquette so finally I private messaged him with a more accepting tone... (Accepting he is a lost cause)  . That's my recollection of the general exchanges between us anyway.... Maybe if I'd tried it your way things may have been different.. :P   
    And yes, Nikas is borderline Troll I think sometimes .I was reading the thread about how to tell if you have a troll on your forum and he fits some of the descriptions. (I may have to go into detail later ::))

Now I will comment on what Brooke said , *deep breath* . Firstly Brooke I wanna say that you have been a great Administrator and have always been consistent in your 'actions' from what I can see. What you said about science I find interesting.
Well gee, Mark, you know that Atlantis tends to attract people who don't always have respect for scientific method!  It takes time to learn respect for it - how it works, why we should place our faith in it! 

Brooke
  I agree with what you say that we need Atlantologists to understand what science IS  ,but I think when we have 'faith' in science that's when we get this obsessive behaviour .The nutters are all convinced that they themselves are right, they all invoke science for there defence. I think we could use a little scepticism toward peoples 'scientific' conclusions. That's the problem ,people define science in different ways, so I guess you are right in that they need education in what science is, ie. the science of mainstream acadaemia ,and stick to THAT definition of science, NOt the 'Alice in Atlantis' definition of science. ::)     I suppose we could benefit from a scepticism toward scientists, and even toward science itself.  ... Obviously this is a question for 'serious' scientists in order to help 'temper' there own judgement, and is not really going to be grasped by your garden variety of Troll.

Wow ,that was a fairly indepth response to your comment about science Brooke .I'm quite proud of it.I feel the urge to go around all the threads insisting that people comment on it. :P


Now,
Atlantis, by it's very nature is going to attract a lot of pseudo-science to it.  On the other hand, until we can actually agree on what Atlantis was, we can't be sure which person is wrong and who isn't, right, now can we?

Brooke

I agree with Bianca here ..,Are we on the same 'page' Brooke?? It's as if you didn't read that I was basically saying respect other peoples theories and opinions about Atlantis and don't be Trollish.

Anyway just A reminder  ,I started this thread to let off a bit of steam myself and to allow others to do so aswell in a contained environment so that we can maybe minimize situations like with Mario and Bianca or atleast keep them in one place . My reasoning was that if we can **** about little things that irritate us on the forum it'll help to keep things civil in the forum proper when discussing serious subjects.
   
  *tentatively*  So if anyone has a problem with me ,by all means ...let me have it  :-\     :P

I don't know about everyone else but I find this very therapeutic.  :)


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Mario Dantas on November 20, 2007, 05:15:34 am
Hi people,

- I don't have any problem with Bianca, she's a friend to me, like everyone here, even BlueHue, with whom i never spoke.

- I might have lost my cool but, never did a personal and/or degrading comment about anyone in particular, i am sure.

- I guess i thought everything was up for discussion, now i see it is not. 

- I understand that someone often can ruin other people's posts. That WAS NOT my intention, i was trying to make a point, wherever and whatever i have posted.

If you think i am acting Trollish, i will review my behavior and improve. As i definitely don't consider myself one. And surely don't want Troll attention, either.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/David_-_The_Death_of_Socrates.jpg)

Do not want others to know what you have done? Better not have done it anyways.
Chinese proverb

M



Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Bianca on November 20, 2007, 06:10:38 am





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     Re: Evidence Synthesis of Atlantis in Greenland
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You are so Irresponsible! This is become a game to you?



Do you understand that there can be disastrous consequences? I don't think so. You Westerners never do.

Let me tell you something you don't know, Atlantis is EXACTLY as you read it, i have been looking at it for the last months, and i just can't help admire it, everyday. You got the whole thing wrong, believe me. You are not actually looking for Atlantis, erudition is the key word. The Western Civilization and all that. Proofs? Are you talking about real proofs, stupidity has limits, please. What good are you? You must be kidding me, none of you have a decent theory about it. Spain, Mediterranean Islands, the moon, are you OK? Plato must be rolling in his grave, laughing and crying madly.


Atlantis was central, a perfect jewel in the Atlantic "middle", do you think that such an Empire would grow out of those ridiculous little Islands?  You transfigured Critias, you are putting words in his mouth, Don't you have any shame?



If it weren't for some people, i would really kick some *SS, so you never underestimate your opponent.


You can be sure about that, and plus my fathers have educated me well enough.



History will take its course, regardless of you. How sad that the only thing you care is your Archaeological findings, So selfish of you. Don't you have kids, grandsons ? Wars were all about the loss of Atlantis, and now that it has been found, do you doubt for one second the Russians and Americans and Europeans and whoever has the right "Arsenal" wouldn't come and take a bite? You are naive, haven't you learn anything?


I am putting my life in danger here, and all you do is erudition. Parole, Parole, Parole. I cannot understand. I refuse to think that nobody saw it yet.


You will have to excuse me but you ARE all barking at the wrong one here. I really made a great effort digesting most of the theories here, and because i respect people's opinions and don't want to be rude i have, more or less, excused me from saying anything. Well you are all wrong because there is ONLY one Atlantis, so everybody can't be right, at same time, although we "respect" each other. This is not a lack of respect, but a lesson, you ARE all wrong, period. Don't waste any more time looking for Atlantis, really. It has been found, and surely isn't where you say it's at, wherever that is. The finding of the Island can bring much sorrow to the world, but who am i to lecture you, right? Wrong.



"Dig the well before you are thirsty." Chinese Proverb

regards
M


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Bianca on November 20, 2007, 06:18:03 am




QUOTE:



"If it weren't for some people, i would really kick some *SS, so you never underestimate your opponent.


You can be sure about that, and plus my fathers have educated me well enough."



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   OPPONENT?.......


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Bianca on November 20, 2007, 06:26:56 am




I am putting my life in danger here, and all you do is erudition. Parole, Parole, Parole. I cannot


understand. I refuse to think that nobody saw it yet.


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PAROLE = WORDS (Italian)



Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Bianca on November 20, 2007, 06:30:58 am


QUOTE:



"- I don't have any problem with Bianca, she's a friend to me, like everyone here, even BlueHue, with whom i never spoke."



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"She's a friend of mine" ?

I'd hate to see how you treat your enemies.......


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Bianca on November 20, 2007, 06:37:56 am

QUOTE:


"However, they frequently have an obsession with their IQ and feel the need to tell everyone. This is so

frequent, that it is diagnostic! Somewhere on the web there must be an Intelligence Test for Trolls -

rigged to always say "above 150"........"



FROM:

                    INTERNET TROLLS


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,4148.0.html




Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Bianca on November 20, 2007, 06:42:13 am




MARIO'S QUOTE:




"Do not want others to know what you have done? Better not have done it anyways."

Chinese proverb

M


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Bianca on November 20, 2007, 06:54:11 am



MARIO'S QUOTE:




"Don't waste any more time looking for Atlantis, really. It has been found, and surely isn't where

you say it's at, wherever that is."


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I guess it's time to shut down AtlantisOnLine:



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Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Bianca on November 20, 2007, 07:05:53 am





MARK'S QUOTE:



"...........oh and removing Posts is really annoying,it screws up the whole continuity of

the 'conversation'..........."



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Not to mention RUDE and NASTY, as it makes the person who responds sound like an idiot......



Which, maybe, was the intention, all along?........


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Bianca on November 20, 2007, 07:19:11 am


AS TO BLUE HUE:


He was never VICIOUS or ever INSULTED another's character or intelligence. 

The most he ever said about that was:  ".....I TOLD YOU.....I E-MAILED YOU......"

There NEVER was a premeditation to his postings and an 'ulterior motive' to ensnare,
bait or stalk in the same way as now.  Or the insulting posts to the other members in
his threads, which are later deleted - the above was one of many.

His biggest fault was the endless ramblings and convoluted statements/answers, a
lot of times in inappropriated places.

IMHO Blue Hue is a prince compared to the 'new breed'...........



Makes one wish for the 'GOOD OLD DAYS'............


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Bianca on November 20, 2007, 07:21:15 am




H U B R I S   and  C H U Z P A H !!!



They don't realize how ridiculous and transparent THEY really are and most people (Americans)
are too polite to really let them have it back in kind.

Certainly shows me, a foreigner, who has the better breeding......


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Bianca on November 20, 2007, 07:31:43 am




PHEW.....

I need some fresh air, again.....

Back to the Political Blogs for me, at least 'til the air clears.......


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Mario Dantas on November 20, 2007, 07:38:58 am
Hi Bianca,

Firstly, i have to tell you that you were plain "irresponsible" for bringing this up, like you are proving something.

My family should come first, remember that. I should be entitled of erasing my "errors".

Please don't insult me. What are you trying to prove? that i referred to you?


Since we are in coffee shop (Netherlands coffee shop?) mmmmh

You are acting like that Hollywood actor who thought the girl wanted an autograph but all she did want was an expresso :-)



I respect you a lot, but still, you are Human and therefore err...

I feel completely calm about that since i have not been untrue.

I was prejudice about the West, and i should know that not everybody think alike.

Regarding the "Irresponsibility" aspect of the issue, totally true, btw why you care about closing the Site, since it is now that it really will show its value?


"A predicament is not formed without a period of events creating it."
Chinese proverb

M





Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Mario Dantas on November 20, 2007, 08:19:46 am
(http://www.wickfordorchids.com/index/orchid_image_Doritaenopsis_Dtps_Lih_Jiang_Beauty_x_P_Luchia_Lip.jpg)


Also the *SS was just rhetorical (not in any way related to Grman SS). Haven't you trailed a troll? Do it again, and we will see. Lets "discuss" it.

People are denying it over ridiculous stuff. If you really think i am wrong, prove it. I could prove that everyone is wrong. Very simply because my paths were the "righteous" ones and "NOT" because of Me personally. I am fully aware that many people have thought and contributed to Atlantis, Specially Plato, although my merit must not be that infinitesimal.

Why people don't talk about, you are plain mocking my theory, that can't be respectful.

I wonder how on Earth you went that far with Georgous M. and completely ignore something that has shown, at least, the "slightest" evidence of being true. I was hoping you could help, even be happy about it, but then i realized how dangerous this could be, if left only to chance to be found out.

The danger of Atlantis being discovered without a "management" and start nasty consequences, is Huge. So in a moment of particular anxiety, i let it out, and i went too far.

But remember that i never made personal intentional or unintentional remarks about anyone, therefore i ask you the same.

Regards,

PS I will never delete any more posts, be certain that none of this will happen again.



M


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Mark of Australia on November 20, 2007, 08:58:43 am
By Mario Dantas
                                                 . Well you are all wrong because there is ONLY one Atlantis, so everybody can't be right, at same time, although we "respect" each other. This is not a lack of respect, but a lesson, you ARE all wrong, period. Don't waste any more time looking for Atlantis, really. It has been found, and surely isn't where you say it's at, wherever that is. The finding of the Island can bring much sorrow to the world, but who am i to lecture you, right? Wrong.
regards
M
Mario
I just don't know how I can take you seriously,especially after that nonsense.  It's not that you think you are 'right' but that you think you are 'righteous' .This reminds me of the messianic rants by Riven.  Actually you seem to be a composite of Riven ,Georgeos and BlueHue .That's scary . 

The only thing constructive I can think to say is - Please study scientific method ,please ,please ,please. ::)

. If you really think i am wrong, prove it. I could prove that everyone is wrong. Very simply because my paths were the "righteous" ones and "NOT" because of Me personally.   


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Mario Dantas on November 20, 2007, 09:20:24 am
Mark,

With all due respect, you too have to do that. I have evidences, please don't underestimate me.

I respect your opinion. but...

Are you saying that you "study" more than me? or better than me? be careful. You don't know me! you should talk of things you know, in the first place. but since i see you endure something irrelevant, i will leave.



M


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Bianca on November 20, 2007, 09:41:10 am


QUOTE:


Hi Bianca,

Firstly, i have to tell you that you were plain "irresponsible" for bringing this up, like you are proving something.

You are acting like that Hollywood actor who thought the girl wanted an autograph but all she did want was an expresso :-)

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I see we are playing

                                                       BLAME THE VICTIM


How about the

                                                             RACE CARD?


Or have you done that already?


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Mario Dantas on November 20, 2007, 09:59:12 am
I just wanted my theory proven, i am starting to think that you might, after all, not being at all interested for the truth to come out. Are you afraid? me too.

Don't know what are you talking about race Bianca. But keep in mind that you might be mistaken about me.

"You'll never say what you mean if you don't mean what you say"

M


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Brooke on November 20, 2007, 11:36:30 am
Actually, I get EXACTLY what is going on here, Mark and Bianca, and you guys have my sympathies.  But you AREN'T going to change people, so the best thing to do is just to vent, then ignore who you don't like.  You AREN'T going to change people, you aren't going to suddenly give them a new appreciation for science, nor their tactics of debate!

Things not allowed in debate?

Personal insults.
Profanity
Stalking people around the forum you don't like.



Mark and Bianca, I love both of your material, but, of course we want EVERYONE to feel happy here.

And if you guys don't think I know exactly what you are talking about, I'd like you to read a conversation (one of many) I had with a creationist over at AR when  first got there.  The guy called me every name in the book, denigrated me any way possible, all cause I didn't believe his garbage about vapor canopy & the rest of the creationist delusions about the world. 

Here is a sample:


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You're uncapable to read. When I mentioned about "days" is in the proper context that I was refering to, that is creation. Flood is another discussion. I already answered there are ancient sayings regarding physical things (I quoted the calendar of Sumerians, knowledge of Mayans, strings in constelations said by Hebrew, etc) You just reject everything and every post from me and all people here. I quote even Carl Sagan and books written by physicist. Again NO ARGUMENT of you but saying my sources are wrong and your sources are okey. SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY IDIOT? I know the sources you quoted and I even said Dobzhansky was the one who did the experience with flies that didn't prove evolution. When you wanna discuss about modern dinosaurs, DO IT instead of occupying space saying nothing but pasting my quotes. Do you think you're saying something just by repetition of my words endlessly? I know, you do it cos you wanna give the impression (I don't know who believes that) that pasting letters is really giving information or contra-argumenting.
An example of Brooke typical writing in all this forum in any theme is pasting the whole text of Genesis (lacking an objective own commentary) or pasting the readers' saying. In 3 messages he repeated my previous message, I will past MY messages as you did to give you an idea of your method to DISTRACT without saying nothing. You pasted these from mine:
It's impossible to reason with Brooke. I'm quoting all sort of links which are not exclusive from Creation links and makes another general statement "they are not objective" or even the photographs.
What about Maimonides is in a book of physicist Ph.D whom I already mentioned and his book. Re-read again my posts. Even in the modern translations re-read the texts I already mentioned saying clearly there are days and days.
Of course no men lived in the times of Creation. It's absurd to think we could've been witness of the fact and nobody is here saying they knew because of that. In the same way Sumerians STARTING their sexagesimal numerical system with 500 precessional times and reduced the number until reaching 60. How did they know that if a single degree takes 72 years and they couldn't witness that information passing through generations? Or Mayans knowing a solar eclipse with a thousand years anticipation with no telescopes?
I'm even quoting the books or the arguments even from evolutionists for Christ sake! It's pretty obvious you are gonna say everything I post is stupid and you're the only one "objective". Is that your "argument" right now? That all my sources are imbecil and yours are okey dokey.
I read everything and I don't eliminate anything. I'm saying we can't trust the beloved science because there are contradictions and again I say, if you trust so much in evolution which you quote in almost every post you make (and this is not the tread about this, HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THAT I-D-I-O-T ?)..

I invite people to read the entire conversation!

http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=000522;p=1

Then, by all means, tell me that I haven't been through exactly the same stuff you guys are going through.  If you read my stuff, it was entirely scientific, logical and based on facts.  I was, however, arguing with a hopeless FUNDIE who was supported by other fundies that thrive in that forum.

Two things you can take from that:

1.  People are going to believe what they want to believe.
2.  Facts make no difference to some people.
3.  You aren't going to change someone, so the best thing to do is to ignore someone that you don't like. 

Remember, it also takes differences of opinions to make a forum go!

Any other questions, feel free to PM me! 

Brooke


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Mark of Australia on November 20, 2007, 12:26:39 pm
Hi Brooke ,

Yes I can see you've had a run in with nutters. You are right ,they can be nutters if they want but what I'm mainly saying to them is please don't spam up a thread insisting that their pet theory is right over and over again.

sigh ,it's almost enough to put one off ancient mysteries altogether....except that there are some really good people here who's presense is enough to restore my enthusiasm.

Plus,I hope it does not seem as if anyone is taking sides or forming 'gangs' ,hah ::), but unfortunately that's how the typical paranoid Atlantis nutter sees things... Because I'm sure I have different opinions to Bianca and many other 'friends' ,the thing is we are able to respect our differing opinions on evidence etc. and still get along .That is so hard for some people to understand.

It seems to me that the trouble starts when someones theory becomes a firm belief.It becomes doctrine for them. So it's easy to see why the common culprits are often religious nutcases ,fundamentalists etc.


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Bianca on November 20, 2007, 12:37:27 pm


Thank you, Brooke, for understanding!  Pathetic encounter you had, there.......

But there  IS  one difference:

Unless I am mistaken, there was a conversation going on between you and others in your
instance.  

In Mark's and my case, it is the total opposite:  our SIN is in NOT engaging in a discussion of
a certain subject.  So, it's really a case of:

"Damned if you do, damned if you don't....."

And it's being done right NOW, on THIS thread, throwing the gauntlet down:


QUOTE:

"btw why you care about closing the Site, since it is now that it really will show its value?



What does it take for somebody to understand that we don't want to discuss this theory?

Funny, too, because, while I don't agree with Morrison's "Atlantis in South America", I
always post in his thread when I run into anything that will add to his theory.  

I do things like that a lot, because, while I DO have my theory, I feel that my role is more or
less that of a researcher, here.  That's all!
 
At least I DID do that, until I would immediately be 'pushed back' by Mario's RAPIDLY adding
to HIS thread, so that Morrison's would disappear (or others').

So Morrison's thread  and the "Diffusion Thread" etc. never got the chance to 'see the light of day',
so to speak.....I would hold back 4/5 days and then try to post again:  it didn't work either.......
So I gave up........and those  threads haven't been touched in a while, although I have run
into PLENTY of information that I should have posted in both!

Thank you, Brooke!

b


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Brooke on November 20, 2007, 01:26:26 pm
Bianca,

Morrison's thread isn't getting buried anymore than any of the other threads in that forum are. You don't need to feel any reponsibility to keep it going. Hey, it's his thread, if he doesn't want to work on it, that is his business, and his loss!  You don't need to take that on yourself.  There are lots of threads in the Atlantis forums, just because they haven't been touched for awhile doesn't mean that people can't read them.

You may not like Mario's stuff, Mark may not, and I may not agree with it either, but he has been warned to stay away from your threads and to knock off the personal attacks. So far as I can see, he has done that (let me know if he hasn't). The question is, for you, do you believe in giving people a second chance or not? I am betting you are not the type of person to hold a grudge, but that is up to you.

Mark,

Have you read the whole of my conversation with the nutter at AR? Not only did it span many pages over that one topic, but several other topics as well.  I was called "stupid," "moron," "idiot," and just about every name in the book just cause I would NOT buy into this person's creationist dogma.

And I WAS insulted even when I wasn't even present during the discussion.  It was a THOUSAND times worse than anything I have seen here and the only thing that I have seen here that was worse was Sarah's "conversations" with Absonite. 

People are NOT perfect.  But what you guys see as trolls here are nothing compared to the abuse we went through at AR on a daily basis. 

Personally, I think that we have done a good job creating some civility here.  There are no Georgeos, Epsilons or other trolls running around here insulting people.  However, if you guys see behavior that you think should be addressed, it has to be similar to this:

Personal insults.
Profanity
Stalking people around the forum you don't like.


I also agree that it is a bad idea to deleter/alter old posts after the fact, but if you ask me, that speaks volumes about the types of people who do that.

A little venting is fine!  But it's also a good idea to put old business behind you so long as more NEW business does not pop up. 

Brooke


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Bianca on November 21, 2007, 09:42:01 am


QUOTING MARK:


".......sigh ,it's almost enough to put one off ancient mysteries altogether......."



I'll have to agree with that, especially with all this, right after my

Majeston/Absonite encounter!


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Mark of Australia on November 21, 2007, 09:56:41 am
Hi Brooke

That was an eloquent post and I am all for giving people a second chance. I'm prepared to give Mario a second chance and put all that stuff behind us.

I never did see Sarah's run in with Absonite ,but he sounds like a particularly nasty bastard   :P , I have only heard bad reports about him.

But yes this was just for venting , and for me it was more of a lament that Atlantis enthusiasts tend to be 'unbalanced' in some way concerning how they communicate their ideas to others. No one likes to be told that their 'belief' is rubbish but I think some of these theorists need to grow a thicker skin when it comes to criticism.We are a sensitive bunch.

It'll be interesting when I finally present my theory here and to have it torn to shreds  :D  I can't wait.

P.S. Brooke , I haven't read all of your run in with the nutter so I'll check it out .


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Qoais on November 21, 2007, 05:20:45 pm
I don't know what it is that causes these reactions in people who feel they have found Atlantis.  Nikas and Mario  have used almost the exact same words even.  To reveal the island would be dangerous.  That everyone is totally wrong.  They both were in a panic over the Swastika.  They both thought their lives were in danger because of what they found.  They both jumped from one subject to another and it was hard to get any cohesion or fluidity into the theory.  Nikas has calmed down a lot since then, and I hope over time Mario can stay grounded as well. 


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Bianca on November 23, 2007, 03:35:05 pm





Given the 'climate' around here lately, I have been holding back on an article from the

Hutton Commentaries for quite a while, since the title was too reminiscent of someone

else's.  Things were bad enough and more problems I did not want to invite......

Today, I decided to go ahead and print it.  It's in the New Age Section and it's called

EVIDENCE OF ATLANTIS.  That's the name the author gave to it (not I), as can be seen here:

http://www.huttoncommentaries.com/subs/Other/AtlantisEvidence/evidence_of_atlantis.htm



It really should not be in the "New Age" section, as it is quite analytical and hardly 'esoteric' or

'New Agey'.   There is a lot of expert information in it, if anybody is interested

When Europa comes back, she can decide where it should be.


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Desiree on November 23, 2007, 09:16:34 pm
I don't know what it is that causes these reactions in people who feel they have found Atlantis.  Nikas and Mario  have used almost the exact same words even.  To reveal the island would be dangerous.  That everyone is totally wrong.  They both were in a panic over the Swastika.  They both thought their lives were in danger because of what they found.  They both jumped from one subject to another and it was hard to get any cohesion or fluidity into the theory.  Nikas has calmed down a lot since then, and I hope over time Mario can stay grounded as well. 

That sounds like conspiracy theorist thinking!  You have to wonder why people would be wondering why anyone would be out to "get" them for uncovering Atlantis.

The only thing I could think of is that it would have some super secret technology or that the discovery of it would upset religious fundies who thought that civilization began in the Middle East.


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Caana on November 29, 2007, 10:20:38 pm
I everyone, i read through the coffee shop chat, and i have a question for all of you. I've done all aspect's of investigation about Atlantis, and have found that there are various area's of interest/belief's,  that end up touching on it.

I don't know any of you, but because of the direction of the coffee thread, i have to say that there is something i would ask of you here.

What it comes down to is the mayan calender, and the myth's that go with it. That calender came from those who where before the mayan's, and if it can be looked at aside from the religious mumbo on what i am asking, i would appreciate it. It came from those who we are talking about when we say Atlantis.

I've found with an unknowing test bed{myself included} of about fourty or so people, all random and unlooked for, that although their experiance's may have been happening all their live's, they have picked up considerably in the last three and a half years with increasing "real world" manifestation's.

Most of these are seen through the distortment's of various belief's, but are all similiar in that they see themselves as someone who is coming, which not only coincides with distorted belief's, and their "history's", but with the calenders as well. There is realtrueself, realself, and percieved self, who we are here, and the enviroment called 'reality", which is the fourth world in the mythology of the mayan's.

All of the test bed people are experiancing three types of experiance's, what they call the normal world through percieved self, their memory/vision's, and real/world manifestation's. Of all those i had spoke with, most have managed to aviod mental health incident's, and have experianced a variety of manifestation's which are as real seeming as the normal world.

The mayan's knew this world is illusion covering other world's, and that this illusion would end. Which is reflected in that the calender does end, despite later proffesional's later saying that it does'nt. I had many thought's that i had expressed through various description in another forum for over a year, after i had decided to write about my experiance's.

Those calenders also tie in with strong memory/vision's about other live's, that this percieved person has never experianced within the time/space of their percieved existance, as well as noticing changes in what happen's, past, present, future. What i discovered seemingly contra to that, is that there is no time, motion, or distance, in your mind, which means no past, present, or future, which in turn let's you see event's within the illusion's that happen within it, and are strung together in sequence's, to represent the illusion of past, present, and future within the shared illusion, our percieved reality.

My own knowing is that Atlantis represent's a person. Can anyone here help with some of the number's i got, through my experiance's that had led me to this conclusion in the first place? Someone who can explain it without the math proffessor's disdain for those who can't would be nice. It is also in relation with the four, five or six, other locations that have been identified as having a relationship with the mayan temple, like caana, i did'nt know about that, until two years after i had discovered that name through my own experiance's.

And it certainly describes in the plate that hold's the image's of past, present, furure on it, my own experiance's, and the relationship between them, and those calenders, and the mythology is similiar as well. Except that i know what skyhouse mean's, because when i learned about it, before i heard skyhouse, i had already called it the forever people in my mind. Though i know there are other's out there that won't give credence to what i call experiance's, and the knowledge from them, once you can see past the experiance's themselves, they have all led me to what i myself write.

I hope there is someone at this site who maybe can help with the math, and be able to interpit it, through mythology, and experiance's from the cycle's sequence's, that are revealed within some people's mind's. To discover the most certain relationship with the calender's.

Well, nice to meet you all.



Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Mark of Australia on December 02, 2007, 02:37:04 pm
Hi Caana , Welcome to Atlantis online .

...That's all very interesting , but I wonder why of all the boards you decided to post it here? ..

People who are interested in the mayans and their 'world of illusion' may never find it in here... Perhaps Atlantis in the New Age  or the Mayan thread would be more appropriate?  ,or even the Diffusion -Atlantis?  thread.

Wouldn't you agree ?


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Caana on December 02, 2007, 10:08:46 pm
Thank you. I posted it here because it said you can talk about anything you want, and i needed to ask for someone who may know, and help me with it.

If you can't talk about anything in this coffee thread as it state's, then it should reflect that.

I wrote down the basic's of what i know, to let whoever can help me know it, not continue it here. This is the thread everyone usaully check's out for other poster's with the same interest's is it not, it did say to get to know one another, yes?

Well, thank's again.


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Jill Elvgren on December 03, 2007, 09:03:35 am
Hi Caana and welcome to the forum.

I think what Mark meant is sure, you can post whatever you want here, but it would get more intelliegent feedback if it were in the Mayan or New Age sections.  Different people dwell in different forums, and are interested in different subject matters.

Here is sort of a "get to know each other" forum.

Speaking of which, want to tell us anything about yourself?


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Caana on December 04, 2007, 08:00:37 am
I am an enemy of the beast, which means religion and the rest of the cult's. Don't bother with what is supposed to be the difference's between religion's and cult's, because they are the same, whatever majority opinion describes it as, or it's ritual's/belief's are meant to convey.

As we can all see, the beast's minion's from all around the world are fighting each other as it planned. Useing it's chosen that lead the lackey's through the christain religion here in America.

They will all fail. ;)


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Caana on December 04, 2007, 08:32:48 pm
Gotta have a sense of humor on the net you know ;)


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: HereForNow on December 10, 2007, 05:20:16 am
Sence of humor is a good thing to have all the way around when it comes to life.
I tend to take it too seriously at times, but I've learned to lighten up and simply live.
Sure, I worry and stress about the same things other do. However, I deal with one thing at a time and between those trials. I'm totally not worried about the other things until next pay day.  :P


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Caana on December 10, 2007, 06:07:49 pm
With the way i have come to all the conclusion's that i have, a sense of humor is a definite must. I don't worry or stress all that much, only for those that i love, guess that's why my realtrueself is showing me reason's to love myself as well. I'm somewhere in there to.

What part of what i asked for help with, was for.

After rent, i have 500 dollars to work with for the month, not much future in that as the facist religious regime{religion being the source of facism} that run's our country well know's, and why they have arranged for it to be this way.

Be a good citizen, and sit up and beg, will you? is what they are really saying to us all. Them having arranged a society that support's their structure, our begging give's them pleasure, and ensures their own safety.

Can't wait to see their horror/control fantasy house's all torn down. But we have a bit more of the religious misery to go, before we will be rid of them. :'(


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: HereForNow on December 11, 2007, 03:15:40 pm
A poem:;;;


What a skeletal wreck of a man this is
Translucent flesh and feeble bones
The kind of temple where the whores and villians
Try to tempt the holistic tones
Running rampant with free thought to free form and the free and clear
And the matters at hand are shelled out like lint at a laundrymat to sift and focus on the bigger, better, NOW
We all have a little sin that needs venting, virtues for the rending and laws and systems and stems ripped from the branches of office do you know what your post entails?
Do you serve a purpose or purposely serve?
Wind down inside your atavistic allure, the value of a summer spent and a winter earned
For the rest of us there is always Sunday
The day of the week that reeks of rest but all we do is catch our breath so we can wade naked into the bloody pool and place our hand on the big black book
To watch the knives zigzag between our aching fingers
A vacation is a countdown
T minus your life and counting
Time to drag your tongue across the sugar cube and hope you get a taste
WHAT THE f*** IS ALL THIS FOR? (*background* WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?) SHUT UP!
I could go on and on but let's move on shall we?
Say, you're me and I'm you and they all watch the things we do and like a smack of spite they threw me down the stairs haven't felt like this in years the great magnet of malicious magnanimous refuse
Let me go and punch me into the dead spot again
That's where you go when there's no one else around it's just you and there was never anyone to begin with now was there?
Sanctimonious pretentious dastardly bastards with their thumb on the pulse and a finger on the trigger
CLASSIFIED MY ASS THAT'S A f*****g SECRET AND YOU KNOW IT!
Government is another way to say better, than, you!
It's like ice but no pick a murder charge that won't stick it's like a whole other world where you can smell the food
But you can't touch the silverware
*laughs* What luck!
Facism you can vote for
*snorts* Isn't that sweet
And we're all gonna die someday 'cause that's the american way and I've drunk too much and said too little when you're gaffer-taped in the middle say a prayer save face get yourself together and (*sung in the background* SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING!) SHUT UP! (*background* f*** YOU!) f*** YOU!
I'm sorry I could go on and on but it's time to move on so
Remember, you're a wreck an accident
Forget the freak you're just nature
Keep the gun oiled and the temple clean
s***, snort and blaspheme let the heads cool and the engine run because in the end everything we do, is just everything we've done.

 


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Caana on December 11, 2007, 07:02:40 pm
In death there is no darkness, for there is alway's the light of you.

Before you are born, you know many thing's, yet when born, have entered death.

And as you grow and age, your heart is lighter, for you know your death is almost at an end, and that you will enter the life of your realtrueself.

And when there, you care not at all for the illusion of the beast called life, in the here and now, what is called time and space. ;D


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Desiree on December 12, 2007, 09:47:25 pm
I disagree!  We idealize the afterlife, but what if we don't really know what happens at all when we die? 

I mean, no one has ever come back to describe to us what happened, have they?  Sure, we have NDE's, but how reliable are they?  What if everything just stops?


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: rockessence on December 12, 2007, 10:11:22 pm
Please read JOURNEY OF SOULS by Michael Newton

http://www.near-death.com/newton.html

You will get the answers to the questions you have posed.


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: G T Samatoshi on December 20, 2008, 11:38:23 am
  Ok no more beating about the bush , In recent times I've noticed Mario Dantas starting to acquire behaviour like BlueHue.Saying things like ,"Why wont people respond to my ideas? ","I'm still waiting for a reply," 

....................

I haven't responded to your Greenland theory ,maybe once I recall ,but the reason is because all of your so-called evidence I find ridiculous or thin on the ground indeed. That's just my opinion.Please don't beg people to give your theory attention ,they'll read what they want ,take a hint mate.....

Yeah, that could be a problem with him...
Or it could be a problem with stubborness on the board. I've met alot of people online that claim to check things out to find the truth, but actually made their minds up beforehand & refuse to look at anything that doesn't fit what they believe.

FYI, that's not investigation, that's  disinformation.





For the benefit of the self-centred theorists it needs to be remembered that everyone is going to have there OWN views and theories about Atlantis etc. So when someone doesn't believe your theory or disputes it ...GET OVER IT !  DON'T TAKE IT PERSONALLY.

...But their arguments against my theories are totally irrational and stupid  

  AGAIN , GET OVER IT .

Alot of people DO dismiss/dispute without even f***ing reading the theory or looking over the proof. I've seen it first hand.  Look at the crap with 9/11, you got people screeming a missle was fired from one of the planes - when looking closely at the video shows there was no missle(& yes, I DO know the signs for missle launches). Then you got people who STILL buy into the crap that Saddam was working with Al Queda, & that Saddam was behind 9/11.....

Let me ask you something - if you were on a jury, & the DA claimed your neighbor killed someone, would you convict him of it just because the DA said so?

Hell, if you looked at my rap sheet, & blindly believed all of it, you'd swear I was more evil than Hitler! Only problem is, the system doesn't care if you didn't do it. It only cares about looking like they're doing a good job, & truth doesn't matter.

If you can't judge based on facts then you're of no use in finding out the truth of thngs, & actually help those trying to hide it..


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Bianca on December 20, 2008, 12:22:18 pm




GTSamatoshi,


I think you're mixing "apples and oranges" here.....


If I am NOT interested in a subject on this forum, why should I be harassed into doing so?


FYI, you were not here at the time, nor were you subjected to said treatment!


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: G T Samatoshi on December 20, 2008, 12:37:05 pm
Bianca, wth?

Unless you're the type that I was talking about, I don't see anywhere in my last post where you were even hinted at.....

Unless Mark's an alias..... is he?


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Bianca on December 20, 2008, 12:59:08 pm





You just made my point, GTSamatoshi,


You DID NOT read the thread from the beginning, that's what Mark's post is all about!!

Should you decide to do so, you will realize what was going on and it certainly concerns me.....


Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Elric on December 22, 2008, 06:06:46 pm
No one on the forum should be involved with personal insults or cyber-stalking. We endeavor to keep the forum of an academic nature not an insultfest.  Those who cannot abide by such rules are better off at Atlantis Rising or other forums where such things are the usual fare.  Anyone who persists in cyber stalking will be subject to punishment.



Title: Re: SGM of the Atlantis Online club
Post by: Elric on December 23, 2008, 01:22:28 am
G T Samatoshi has just been banned from this forum for an ugly little message he wrote to all of us (but mostly myself and Bianca) a few moments ago. 

For the record, anyone is welcome to join our forum but unless you are willing to conduct your debates in a civil manner, you are just as welcome to go back out again.  This is not a place that embraces pornorgaphy, cyber stalking, lurid advertisements or juvenile antics. 

Elric