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Title: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Dawn Moline on May 12, 2012, 11:30:46 pm
Human beings: a random accident in the universe, or an act of intended creation?  If so, why?

The universe, another random accident, or is there a point to all these heavenly bodies?


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Dawn Moline on May 12, 2012, 11:36:17 pm
If we are just a random accident, then please explain all the intricacies of human behavior, other beings, even large ones like the dinosaurs, were simply instinct, nothing more.

And yet, there does not seem to be much of a path to our lives and the world seems more made for evil, nothing more. How often have we seen good people lead lives of poverty and despair, when too often we see the rich lead lives of self gratuity and greed, scavenging all they can consume?

I weigh the options and often it seems that we were, each of us, created by some higher power, but, in most instances, created simply to suffer as well.

Cheers,

Dawn


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Dawn Moline on May 12, 2012, 11:37:32 pm
Nihilism

Nihilism (play /ˈnaɪ.ɨlɪzəm/ or /ˈniː.ɨlɪzəm/; from the Latin nihil, nothing) is the philosophical doctrine suggesting the negation of one or more putatively meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.[1] Moral nihilists assert that morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism can also take epistemological, metaphysical, or ontological forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or that contrary to popular belief, some aspect of reality does not exist as such.[clarification needed]

The term nihilism is sometimes used in association with anomie to explain the general mood of despair at a perceived pointlessness of existence that one may develop upon realising there are no necessary norms, rules, or laws.[2] Movements such as Futurism and deconstruction,[3] among others, have been identified by commentators as "nihilistic" at various times in various contexts.

Nihilism is also a characteristic that has been ascribed to time periods: for example, Jean Baudrillard and others have called postmodernity a nihilistic epoch,[4] and some Christian theologians and figures of religious authority have asserted that postmodernity[5] and many aspects of modernity[3] represent a rejection of theism, and that rejection of their theistic doctrine entails nihilism.


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Mitt Romney on May 13, 2012, 03:28:11 pm
I can help you with that one, Dawn. By golly, the point of existence is to amass as much money as you can, screw over the little guy, then when you have all you want, run for President so that you can make it easier for your fellow like-minded millionaires to do the same thing!


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Tom Hebert on May 13, 2012, 07:10:13 pm
Hi Dawn,

The answer to these age-old questions can't come from philosophy.  It has to come from the spiritual.

Tom


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Kristin Moore on May 13, 2012, 11:15:56 pm
I think human life was created in a laboratory and maybe the universe as well. Makes sense, there is no advanced being watching over us all, but rather maybe an advanced civilization?


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Volitzer on May 14, 2012, 11:54:53 am
Remember what Einstein said.   "God does not throw dice."

There is a point to creation, and there was a point for us being in creation at the point in time where we are here in now.

There is a divine plan, the likes of which no single being in creation can understand the whole but can do his/her/its part.


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Mitt Romney on May 14, 2012, 10:16:38 pm
If God DID throw dice, he'e be a winner every time, like me, Mitt Romney!


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Krista Davenport on May 14, 2012, 10:17:42 pm
I think that God exists but likes to torture us for the hell of it.


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Calvin Noble on May 14, 2012, 11:18:15 pm
The meaning of existence is to lead a good clean life, stay clear of hedonism, vote for faith-based candidates, and then, when it is all over with, God may well take you into his bosom.  Only then will; you know the true glory of the Lord.


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Volitzer on May 15, 2012, 01:58:28 pm
I think that God exists but likes to torture us for the hell of it.

Nah there's a reason, even if we are still trying to figure it all out.


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Krista Davenport on May 20, 2012, 02:22:55 pm
If there is a reason for it, why is it that everyone has a different answer?  Nobody knows what the reason is. And, absence of evidence is not evidence.


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Calvin Noble on May 27, 2012, 09:47:16 pm
The meaning of existence is to lead a good clean life, stay clear of hedonism, vote for faith-based candidates, and then, when it is all over with, God may well take you into his bosom.  Only then will; you know the true glory of the Lord.


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Krista Davenport on May 28, 2012, 04:20:58 pm
What if we like to lead a dirty life and think that Republicans are a bunch of goons?


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Robert0326 on May 28, 2012, 05:34:21 pm
I'll drink to that, Krista.


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Calvin Noble on May 29, 2012, 03:50:23 am
Robert and Krista, you are on a path of sin and filth and are both in dire need of redemption. Consult your local clergy before it is too late and you wander about like other liberal atheists and drug addicts.


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Aristotle on May 29, 2012, 08:24:11 pm
There does seem to be a karma a set of rules that apply in the universe, but as for an over-riding power behind all that, I would have to say where is the physical evidence of that?


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Robert0326 on May 29, 2012, 08:25:40 pm
Why would I be ashamed of what I am (Atheist)?  A pastor or priest doesn't have any more answers about life than I do.


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Robert0326 on May 29, 2012, 08:27:48 pm
There does seem to be a karma a set of rules that apply in the universe, but as for an over-riding power behind all that, I would have to say where is the physical evidence of that?

The believer has no evidence.  Just faith, which is nothing more than wish-thinking.


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Calvin Noble on May 31, 2012, 04:35:42 am
Why would I be ashamed of what I am (Atheist)?  A pastor or priest doesn't have any more answers about life than I do.

Why yes, he does, Robert, his words come from the Almighty.


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Robert0326 on May 31, 2012, 06:55:17 am
Prove it. 


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Calvin Noble on June 15, 2012, 12:20:49 am
Robert, one doesn't have to prove the existence of the Almighty, that's why it is called "faith." Either you have it or you don't.


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Robert0326 on June 15, 2012, 07:07:33 am
So in other words, you can't.  Taking it on faith is nothing more than wish-thinking.


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Calvin Noble on June 15, 2012, 08:29:47 pm
By that same token, you can't prove that God does not exist, it is only your natural bias against the idea that tells you so.


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Calvin Noble on June 15, 2012, 08:30:39 pm
In other words, Robert, you are just as narrow-minded in your own beliefs as you accuse me and others of being.


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: Robert0326 on June 16, 2012, 06:59:42 am
My beliefs are based on evidence and reason. So if that's being narrow-minded then I guess I am.


Title: Re: Existence: is there a point to it?
Post by: TWGilbert on April 01, 2014, 03:18:44 pm
Metaphysics/Mysticism #101: For any and all curious: A new micro book: The Reality of Nature and the Nature of Reality: Two sides of the same coin: The Dispelling of Fears and the Fears of Dispelling: The Conquering of Fears and the Fears of Conquering. These ideas both look at and are looked at. The nature of reality and the reality of nature compile the most fundamental principles of existence: that we observe and are observed at the same time: We are the actors and audience, the movie, the projector, and also editor, ticket salesman, and clean up crew in one of life’s many grandest infinite epochs within the space time continuum, the material realms, of which there are basically six (the seventh [actually it’s the first. We’re in the seventh. Depends on which way you count] and highest level is that state of rest we hear referred to so often scripturally). The material realms are a playground, a marvelous series of contraptions for exploration, enjoyment, trial and error, a totally mixed bag of experience, for discovery, for learning, but mostly for diversion. So where do we begin with our analysis? Stating various perspectives on reality and examining how they intersect and/or diverge: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was With God and the Word was God” (from the New Testament[King James Authorized Version], the gospel according to John). Here, a simple but rough translation: In the beginning was the Mother, and the Mother was With Child, and the Mother was the Child. How so? Rather simple, really. If God is Everything, Infinite, All knowing, Omniscient, and Omnipresent, then God (a perfect Singularity) can only create creation by removing part or parts of Himself (or Herself, depending) to use as materials for that creation. “God is Everything, and God is Nothing, and God is both Everything and Nothing, and God is neither Everything and Nothing,” (from the Book of Tao): A holistic approach to the same ideas previously stated. (Also, Hari, Om, Tat, Sat = Mother, Father, Creator, God). Then again, another perspective on the same ideas: “Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God.” (from the book, A Course In Miracles): Interpretation: That which is pure spirit is the ultimate and only reality. All else, which is imagined, is unreal and does not exist. Analysis: God, being a Singularity, is ultimately alone in a universe surrounded by Nothingness (an infinite sphere). The Nothingness is then a mirror, an inescapable “image” or reflection of God, for all of eternity. That God spends all of His time and effort creating Divine imaginings (the space time continuum in which we all inhabit in cycles of “quasi existence” for eternity) simply means we are in and within God’s imagination, in His mirror, Image, of Nothingness, in His mirror, image, of Nothingness that surrounds His Singularity of pure spirit. Yet He has taken parts of Himself to be infused in that adventure (His Sun/Son, the eternal Christ, of which we are all a part, and therefore His Light of creation), to be crucified (placed) on the cross of matter (Mater, Mother), the space time continuum, for 3 days (ages,epochs) in the realms of matter, for a time, or a series of times, to avoid the truth about reality previously mentioned (we are alone in a universe surrounded by Nothingness for all of eternity). But, what this also implies is that we are all infinitesimal parts of God (out Souls of pure spirit) and are therefore immortal (have always been, and always will be) and all of the parables, stories, myths, in all religions throughout history in all cultures relay aspects or examples of this reality, from Persephone, to the Prodigal Son, to Sleeping Beauty. The ultimate challenge to knowing any of this comes with the ancient biblical text line: “No one shall eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil [remembering who and what we truly are] whom I can “tempt” (means “time”, as in space time continuum) away.” We are all therefore stuck here for an eternity or until we master the secrets (sacred hidden teachings, mysteries) of how to remove ourselves from the reflection, image, mirror and return to the central source, final End of the journey for a rest (that seventh stage), then do it all over again in another epoch. Why am I relaying all of this? Because the dual nature of everything in existence (from the beginning, the differentiation between what is doing the observation and what is being observed, the Singularity and the Nothingness, God and the mirror) belies the facts that all of us stuck here in this realm, without exception, are children of the Divine, yet are purposefully devised with divergences and varying expectations and differences causing us to be almost permanently at odds (tower of Babel realized to perfection). However, there are so many ways in which we can all stop our myopic meanderings and “personal” and corporate and “separate” agendas, and realize that we all have to continuously help each other in this material realm, in order to be at peace. This particular realm in which we find ourselves is in fact the seventh level of  “Hell,” and there’s no getting out of “Hell,” unless we all collectively help each other figure it out. If you are wondering about what happens when we leave this place by dying, we actually recycle through the lower material realms (reincarnate) to return over and over and over again ad infinitum until we detach ourselves from the physical, emotional, and mental attachments (karmic judgments) we have spent an eternity collecting for ourselves. For those of you not wishing to recognize the reincarnational aspects of life, let me refer you to two marvelous scriptural references which irrefutably imply reincarnation: Matthew, Chapter 11, verses 13 & 14: “For all the prophets and the law prophesized until John, And if ye will receive it, this is E-li’-as, which was for to come.” And Matthew, Chapter 17, verses 12 & 13: “But I say unto you, That E-li’-as is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.” If you don’t think this emphatically refers to reincarnation, text or call or write back to me a plausible alternative explanation. I’m waiting. Regardless, the conditions at this “crux” in our collective development in 2014, as divine sibling rivals everywhere, evolving, growing, and expanding, is at more than just a metaphorical “crossroads.” We are capable of leading ourselves to our own salvation or leading ourselves to our own destruction. Our destiny is completely within our own unmistakably Divine hands. Reaching out to any and all with the divine secrets, of who and what we really are, may eventually save us. We are responsible for our own destinies as to the Divine lights within all of us. Your diplomas (sheep skins, golden auras) are in the mail. Blessings, Namaste, and peace, where we may all foster and encourage them.