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Title: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Volitzer on September 06, 2011, 04:33:27 pm
http://gunowners.org/sk0802.htm (http://gunowners.org/sk0802.htm)

Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives

A. Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict

* Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day. This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.

* Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.

* As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.

* Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America" -- a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.

* Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606). And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high."

* Handguns are the weapon of choice for self-defense. Citizens use handguns to protect themselves over 1.9 million times a year. Many of these self-defense handguns could be labeled as "Saturday Night Specials."


B. Concealed carry laws help reduce crime

* Nationwide: one-half million self-defense uses. Every year, as many as one-half million citizens defend themselves with a firearm away from home.

* Concealed carry laws are dropping crime rates across the country. A comprehensive national study determined in 1996 that violent crime fell after states made it legal to carry concealed firearms. The results of the study showed:

    * States which passed concealed carry laws reduced their murder rate by 8.5%, rapes by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robbery by 3%; and

    * If those states not having concealed carry laws had adopted such laws in 1992, then approximately 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, 60,000 aggravated assaults and over 11,000 robberies would have been avoided yearly.

* Vermont: one of the safest five states in the country. In Vermont, citizens can carry a firearm without getting permission... without paying a fee... or without going through any kind of government-imposed waiting period. And yet for ten years in a row, Vermont has remained one of the top-five, safest states in the union -- having three times received the "Safest State Award."

* Florida: concealed carry helps slash the murder rates in the state. In the fifteen years following the passage of Florida's concealed carry law in 1987, over 800,000 permits to carry firearms were issued to people in the state. FBI reports show that the homicide rate in Florida, which in 1987 was much higher than the national average, fell 52% during that 15-year period -- thus putting the Florida rate below the national average.

* Do firearms carry laws result in chaos? No. Consider the case of Florida. A citizen in the Sunshine State is far more likely to be attacked by an alligator than to be assaulted by a concealed carry holder.

    1. During the first fifteen years that the Florida law was in effect, alligator attacks outpaced the number of crimes committed by carry holders by a 229 to 155 margin.

    2. And even the 155 "crimes" committed by concealed carry permit holders are somewhat misleading as most of these infractions resulted from Floridians who accidentally carried their firearms into restricted areas, such as an airport.


C. Criminals avoid armed citizens

* Kennesaw, GA. In 1982, this suburb of Atlanta passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary rate subsequently dropped 89% in Kennesaw, compared to the modest 10.4% drop in Georgia as a whole.

* Ten years later (1991), the residential burglary rate in Kennesaw was still 72% lower than it had been in 1981, before the law was passed.

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http://guncite.com (http://guncite.com)
http://www.gunfacts.info/ (http://www.gunfacts.info/)
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/st/st176/ (http://www.ncpa.org/pub/st/st176/)


Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Krista Davenport on September 07, 2011, 11:31:34 pm
Oh, those reports are total bs, and notice they all come from gun websites, too?  Pathetic. If "Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day," don't you think we would have heard of some of these incidents?

In fact, if it happened that often, there would be a virtual war going on out there.

These gun websites twist and make up stats cause they get their jollies by blowing people away.


Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Volitzer on September 08, 2011, 04:39:33 pm
Of course they come from gun websites, you think haplophobes are going to produce honest data ?

A haplophobes understanding of guns in America...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taih2zUOmIM

 ;D


Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Tom Hebert on September 08, 2011, 04:47:17 pm
What America needs now is strict gun control laws on a national level.



Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Krista Davenport on September 13, 2011, 11:23:14 pm
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Of course they come from gun websites, you think haplophobes are going to produce honest data ?

A haplophobes understanding of guns in America...

If someone makes a living selling guns, naturally they are only going to show you biased information about it. Duh!!

What do the legitimate sites get out of it?  Less people killed!!


Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Volitzer on September 14, 2011, 02:30:32 pm
Okay when the NWO rounds you up to escort you to the FEMA Camps.  Just try to mount a resistence without weapons of any kind.

Let's see how long you last.

Seems liberals and conservatives are anti-Darwinistic.  Liberals by their haplophobia, and conservatives by their religious prejudice.    ::)


Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Krista Davenport on September 20, 2011, 11:58:34 pm
If these FEMA camps are so prevalent, why is it that no one has ever met anyone that has ever been to one?  More to the point, wouldn't they have locked you up first?  :D


Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Robert0326 on September 21, 2011, 07:48:46 am
Very true.  Wouldn't they lock people up that supposedly knew "the truth" in order to keep them quite?  Or simpley kill them?


Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Volitzer on September 21, 2011, 05:01:21 pm
No army can ever stop an idea whose time has come.

If they lock up those who want to END the FED all they'll do is create martyrs.

They lock up the 9/11 Truth Movement all they are going to do is reinforce the truth not supress it.

Plus between past tyrannies, N*A*Z*I*S*M*, & Communism,  the world's nation's have a past history of tyranny versus freedom.  The Globalists are fools to think that after the defeat of N*A*Z*I*S*M and Communism in the 20th Century that people who have been living free were just going to sutomatically submit to "banker-tyranny".  Especially since the invention of the internet.  If the Polish people could use radio solidarity to undermine Communism in the 20th Century.  The Globalists must have thought that enough people were dumbed down via fluoride in the water to think we would would accept tyranny in the 21st.

Fortunately the educated Americans are resilient in preserving freedom.


Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Krista Davenport on September 22, 2011, 01:21:32 am
Very true.  Wouldn't they lock people up that supposedly knew "the truth" in order to keep them quite?  Or simpley kill them?

Yeah, I'm sure that the government is having a big old laugh any time someone like Volitzer brings up the "FEMA Camps."  It makes them look paranoid, crazy and stupid.


Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Krista Davenport on September 22, 2011, 01:24:56 am
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No army can ever stop an idea whose time has come.

If they lock up those who want to END the FED all they'll do is create martyrs.

They lock up the 9/11 Truth Movement all they are going to do is reinforce the truth not supress it.

Then why hasn't the 9/11 Truth movement been locked up if their ideas are so dead on?  Why hasn't prisonplanet not been shut down?  Why isn't Alex Jones in prison someplace being Alex Jones b*itch?

I'll tell you why:  it's all entertainment, these conspiracy theories, and Alex Jones is probably laughing his a*ss off by how much money he is making playing to people's fears.


Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Volitzer on September 22, 2011, 02:10:17 pm
Because the prisons are filled up and over crowded with all the druggies and gang bangers that cops lock up while the CIA ships the drugs in.

Believe me Prison-Planet has had it's share of cyber attacks and people calling the cops on them and all other forms of COINTELPRO ops.

However info-warriors are of the Benjamin Franklin mindset...  "We either hang together or we will hang separately."  So when COINTELPRO knocks them down they get up again.  You know civil-disobedience like Martin Luther King and Ghandi made famous.  ;)


Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Krista Davenport on September 24, 2011, 07:14:28 pm
It's entertainment.  You should know by now that the government goes after anyone it considers a threat.

Look how many people are on the terrorist watch list. They got Bin Laden, didn't they?  How about the Unibomber?  Qaddafi was driven from power. Hell, the government probably took out JFK.

It  could be that prisonplanet and Jones just aren't important enough for the government to try and take them on, or that they aren't REALLY telling people the truth.


Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Volitzer on September 26, 2011, 03:10:54 pm
Between attackwatch.com and the fact that the FED is setting up spy networks to monitor the blogosphere Obama and the Globalists are seriously worried.


Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Krista Davenport on September 26, 2011, 10:54:20 pm
They can monitor the blogosphere all they want, they are always looking for chatter among terrorists.  Heck, if Obama wanted to do something about you, don't you think he would have already?


Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Volitzer on September 27, 2011, 02:11:20 pm
The point is Obama & the FED are worried.  So now they have the snitch-sites and the central bank taking on a cyber-spy role.

Ususally when dictators and other kakistocrats get exposed the first thing they do is go into a paranoid 'everyone's out to get' me mode.

So it doesn't surprise me Obama and Bernanke are in stasi mode.

What surprises me is that you think they are actually looking for "terrorists"... the CIA runs al Queda.

Do you and Tom Hebert work for ACORN or are a full time Democrat Staffer ?  If it's your job to find out what the masses know then you can tell your NWO supervisor that we know it all.  Their lies are falling apart, I know it, the US knows it, and the rest of the world knows it.

You may want to take your picture down and have Tom H change his online ID.  Having Globalist/Democrat connections will blacklist you in the future.


Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Volitzer on September 27, 2011, 03:30:11 pm
Yeah while Obama is trying for gun control in America the ATF is running guns into Mexico.  In essence helping the enemy in America's border war with Mexico.


Secret Recordings Emerge Over Operation Fast and Furious
       

….And the ATF’s conspiracy to put more guns into the hands of Mexican drug gangs

Mike Adams
Natural News
Sept 20, 2011


You just gotta love the audacity of the U.S. federal government and its active staging of crimes in order to achieve political goals. Operation Fast and Furious is the most recent example of a U.S.-run criminal conspiracy pursued for the ultimate purpose of dismantling the Bill of Rights. It involved ATF agents running a criminal scheme that sold literallytens of thousands of gunsto Mexican drug gangs, after which the government planned to call for “gun sales restrictions” following the wave of gun violence that would inevitably result.

There was only one problem with the government’s evil plan, however — some ATF agents blew the whistle, and then the whole conspiracy exploded in their faces. Now even the mainstream media — which usually won’t touch government conspiracies — is all over Operation Fast and Furious. Heck, the LA Times even has an entire special section dedicated to it, and the paper is actually producing some decent stories on the subject:http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw…

One of their newest stories reports, “Top Mexican officials say the U.S. kept them in the dark. One official was stunned to learn that the cartel hit men who killed her brother had assault rifles from Fast and Furious in their arsenal.” (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw…)

And for all those who say they don’t believe in “conspiracy theories,” well, it turns out they were all just naive, as usual. Here’s a conspiracy fact right in your face — and the government has now been forced to admit to it!

Even CBS is breaking some of the news on all this, including publicizing newly-released secret audio tapes that reveal Agent MacAllister and Howard (the gun dealer) expressing concern that “…whistleblower ATF special agent John Dodson has further evidence that could be damaging to the government.” (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_1…)

This is total government criminality caught in action, folks. And if you really want the whole story on Operation Fast and Furious, read up on InfoWars.com:
http://www.infowars.com/insider-cia…

The mainstream media bought into the cover story

What’s clear about Operation Fast and Furious is that it involved not only the ATF but also the White House. The LA Times and other mainstream media papers are incorrectly reporting it as a “failed sting operation,” but that’s just the cover story. In reality, Operation Fast and Furious was a raging success! It achieved its stated goal which was placing thousands of rifles and pistols into the hands of Mexican drug gangs, then hoping enough violence would spill over into the USA that the American people would call for gun sales restrictions.

Whether you admire the Second Amendment or not, you’ve got to admit this is a particularly insidious conspiracy because it has the government directly promoting sales of weapons to criminals. Normally when you walk into a gun store, you can’t buy a weapon without passing an FBI background check. So there’s a safety mechanism in place to prevent guns from being purchased by felons or non-citizens. But in this conspiracy operation, the ATF specifically told gun store owners (such as Lone Wolf in Arizona) to sell guns to criminals even if they didn’t pass the background checks. This is just one example of how the U.S. federal government has become a criminal organization that promotes gun violence in America.

A d v e r t i s e m e n t
Remember the conventional cover story for all this? That the guns were going to be “tracked” to see where they ended up?

There’s just one problem with this whole story: There were no tracking devices installed on any of the guns being sold to criminals. Thus, the whole idea of tracking these guns is ludicrous, and the government’s official cover story falls apart (yet again). The purpose of Fast and Furious wasn’t to TRACK guns but to ARM CRIMINALS and then hope enough bodies would pile up that the government could call for restrictions against the Second Amendment.

In fact, even though the government has been caught red handed in this operation, it has already begun to roll out the gun sales restrictions it planned all along! Documents acquired by InfoWars (and also separately by NaturalNews) reveal that gun shops throughout Arizona, New Mexico and Texas have been ordered by the ATF to report any sale of more than one rifle or pistol to any single person. Thus, even though the FBI already runs background checks on purchasers of firearms, the ATF is now creating a second layer of burdensome paperwork on many sales of firearms. Importantly, this addsno additional background check securityto the gun purchasing process, which is already subjected to FBI approval anyway. Even worse, this entire process is being done completely outside the law, using solely the regulatory bullying of the ATF itself — the very same agency that is technically a rogue government agency steeped in criminal behavior.

A lawless government

Did you ever notice how the federal government never faces any consequences when it breaks the law, but if you or I sold guns to Mexican drug criminals, we’d be facing decades in prison? As we’ve all seen from numerous examples, the government today is a lawless, criminal gang that breaks its own laws with impunity.

We now know that the U.S. government staged the 9/11 terror attacks and brought down the WTC 7 building using planned demolition charges. This isn’t even questioned by any rational person anymore, as thousands of architects and engineers have gone public in stating that WTC 7 was, without question, a demolition job (http://www.ae911truth.org). We also know that the government conspired to put tens of thousands of weapons directly into the hands of criminal drug gangs. Time and time again, the federal government actively plots to break the law in order to crush freedom and usurp power. Yet the mainstream media largely doesn’t cover any of this, and the mainstream sheeple of America are for the most part too dumbed-down to even believe what’s really happening.

There’s no telling what the government is planning and plotting right now in its evil scheme to destroy our civil rights and unleash a total police state in America. What Operation Fast and Furious really proves is that the U.S. federal government will openly endanger innocent lives and break any laws it wants in pursuit of crushing freedom in America.

It’s not even about the guns, you see. It’s about thetacticsthat the U.S. government now uses to achieve its political aims. Rather than going to the People and asking for their rational views on security versus freedom, the government stages its own catastrophes and crimes in order to get people to REACT so that freedoms can then be stolen from everyone.

Isn’t that what “the terrorists” were accused of doing? Remember when George Bush said that terrorists targeted America because “they hate freedom”? But it turns out the real haters of freedom are the rogue agents within the federal government itself. The real roots of modern-day terrorism, it seems, are more easily found in Washington D.C. than Iraq or Syria.

We were just following orders, sir

Are there good agents in the federal government? Absolutely there are. It was ATF agents who blew the whistle on the ATF conspiracy in the first place. There are FBI agents who do good work to help protect America from legitimate threats. At every level of law enforcement, there are men and women who put their lives on the line with great courage and a real sense of duty. Yet sadly, there are just as many government agents who are ready and willing to commit serious crimes as long as they are told to do so. They make no distinction between good or bad and merely “follow orders.”

That’s how we ended up with Operation Fast and Furious, which was no doubt the brainchild of a bunch of gun haters at the White House who decided it was somehow okay for them to break the law as long as they were wrongfully framing (and blaming) gun shops. In their minds, you see, the ends justify the means, so they believe they can commit any and all crimes necessary to achieve their final goal, which might have nothing at all to do with guns. It might be a goal of crushing the raw dairy industry or keeping hemp illegal. Or even outlawing home gardens.

There’s no telling what our federal government will do next in its out-of-control desire to crush freedom and destroy our rights. It could stage its own terrorist attacks, unleash bombs in major U.S. cities, poison the water supply or even stage the deaths of U.S. Navy Seal Team members… and it would do it all with a straight face, claiming to be “protecting America” even though it is destroying America from the inside out. (http://www.naturalnews.com/033545_g…)

This is why Big Government is so inherently dangerous. When it becomes so large and powerful that it can run criminal conspiracies with impunity, it’s only a matter of time before the government itselfbecomes the enemy of freedomand spends more time figuring out how to destroy the nation than protecting it.

See the related CounterThink cartoon on all this at:

http://counterthink.com/Fast_and_Furious.asp

(http://naturalnews.com/Cartoons/Fast-and-Furious_600.jpg)


Obama wants to disarm you get it now.  It was never about making America safer.



Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Krista Davenport on September 28, 2011, 12:30:51 am
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The point is Obama & the FED are worried.  So now they have the snitch-sites and the central bank taking on a cyber-spy role.

The "snitch" sites you are talking about are places to report political smears, like he was born in Kenya or that Obama is operating "FEMA" Camps. Or do you think that people should be able to make up any crap they want about a politician just cause he doesn't support theIR big business agenda?


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What surprises me is that you think they are actually looking for "terrorists"... the CIA runs al Queda.

There's some paranoia for you!

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Do you and Tom Hebert work for ACORN or are a full time Democrat Staffer ?

Uh, ACORN is shut down, all cause the Repugs don't like organizations that help poor people register to vote!  They are all about voter suppression.
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You may want to take your picture down and have Tom H change his online ID.  Having Globalist/Democrat connections will blacklist you in the future.

If I a "blacklisted," I would wear that as a badge of honor. Better to be known as that than a conspiracy minded corporatist who does the bidding of the big corporations in screwing ordinary people like you do.


Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Volitzer on September 28, 2011, 04:56:51 pm
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The "snitch" sites you are talking about are places to report political smears, like he was born in Kenya or that Obama is operating "FEMA" Camps. Or do you think that people should be able to make up any crap they want about a politician just cause he doesn't support theIR big business agenda?

Sounds very anti-1st Amendment.  You'd think a Constitutional Scholar wouldn't think like a dictator.

Uh, ACORN is shut down, all cause the Repugs don't like organizations that help poor people register to vote!  They are all about voter suppression.

Will duh the red-Globalist party is for the rich.

If I a "blacklisted," I would wear that as a badge of honor. Better to be known as that than a conspiracy minded corporatist who does the bidding of the big corporations in screwing ordinary people like you do.

  Conspiracy Minded Corporatist...   :o :o :o :o  this is a contradiction in terms.  It is the corporations that conspire.  Looks like they messed up on that talking point.  ;)


Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Krista Davenport on September 28, 2011, 11:34:23 pm
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Sounds very anti-1st Amendment.  You'd think a Constitutional Scholar wouldn't think like a dictator.

Just because we have free speech doesn't mean people aren't free to dispute what people say. He's a politician, so you think he's not allowed to fight back against political attacks?  Bright.

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Will duh the red-Globalist party is for the rich.

As are the policies of the Constitution and Libertarian Parties.  By stating that they want to eliminate Social Security and Medicare, they help the rich by default.

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  Conspiracy Minded Corporatist...   Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked  this is a contradiction in terms.  It is the corporations that conspire.  Looks like they messed up on that talking point.  Wink

You don't think that the corporations don't conspire to do things?  What about the organization ALEC that tried to pass the same anti-collective bargaining act simultaneously in six states this year?  Dude, corporations RUN this country.


Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Volitzer on September 29, 2011, 06:15:00 pm
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Just because we have free speech doesn't mean people aren't free to dispute what people say. He's a politician, so you think he's not allowed to fight back against political attacks?  Bright.

..and just what does Obama plan on doing with Attack-Watch ?  Will he call the cops in my area to arrest me for doubting his citizenship.  You didn't see Ron Paul supporters get all stasi when gulliberals found a KKK publication mentioning him.

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Will duh the red-Globalist party is for the rich.

As are the policies of the Constitution and Libertarian Parties.  By stating that they want to eliminate Social Security and Medicare, they help the rich by default.

They do not want to eliminate Social-Security, & Medicare.  Any party that does is dooming themselves to failure.  Just like the Republicans had in the 1990s.

You don't think that the corporations don't conspire to do things?  What about the organization ALEC that tried to pass the same anti-collective bargaining act simultaneously in six states this year?  Dude, corporations RUN this country.

Of course they do, that's Globalism for you, eliminate collective bargining.


Title: Re: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
Post by: Krista Davenport on October 01, 2011, 03:44:18 pm
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..and just what does Obama plan on doing with Attack-Watch ? 


Post a counter-website where people can find out the truth.  Same thing he had last campaign.

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Will he call the cops in my area to arrest me for doubting his citizenship.


He doesn't need to do that, for the simple reason that the only people who are birthers are bigots and conspiracy theorists.

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You didn't see Ron Paul supporters get all stasi when gulliberals found a KKK publication mentioning him.

I suppose you are talking about that newsletter that Ron Paul founded that bashed blacks back in the 1990s.  So liberals were supposed to have been responsible for that?  Bright.

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They (Constitution and Libertarian Parties) do not want to eliminate Social-Security, & Medicare.  Any party that does is dooming themselves to failure.  Just like the Republicans had in the 1990s.

No, you may not want to eliminate them.  They are fine with it.