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Title: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Artemis on February 17, 2007, 04:53:33 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web1a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Artemis on February 17, 2007, 04:55:11 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web2a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Artemis on February 17, 2007, 04:57:33 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web3a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Artemis on February 17, 2007, 04:59:21 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web4a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Artemis on February 17, 2007, 05:01:47 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web5a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Artemis on February 17, 2007, 05:03:37 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web6a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Artemis on February 17, 2007, 05:05:26 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web7a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Artemis on February 17, 2007, 05:07:20 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web8a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Artemis on February 17, 2007, 05:09:30 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web9a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Artemis on February 17, 2007, 05:12:14 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web10a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Artemis on February 17, 2007, 05:14:39 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web11a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Artemis on February 17, 2007, 05:16:50 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web12a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Artemis on February 17, 2007, 05:18:47 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web13a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Artemis on February 17, 2007, 05:22:30 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web14a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: julia on April 03, 2007, 05:41:29 pm
dear Artemis: yonaguni monumetlooks Like a Maya Pyramid isnt it?? Di they find any writings or any other historical documents In it?? :D


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Artemis on April 15, 2007, 12:58:22 am
Hi Julia, as I remember, they have found some writings on it, drawings, as well.  Schoch and other skeptics seem to be waiting to have tool marks before deciding whether or not it was "worked" or not.


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Harconen on June 28, 2009, 11:05:32 am
http://www.morien-institute.org/interview1_MK.html


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:36:34 pm
Yonaguni monument
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web1a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:37:06 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web2a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:37:37 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web2a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:38:02 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web3a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:38:28 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web5a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:38:47 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web6a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:39:11 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web8a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:39:21 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web9a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:39:33 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web10a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:39:47 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web11a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:40:00 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web12a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:40:11 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_teamatlantis_files/web13a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:41:12 pm
YONAGUNI ISLAND

Most of the pictures below are from websites for tourists. They show possible places for features similar to Marcahuasi, though these cases are not so clear, and have to be confirmed by higher resolution pictures; about the first two ones there is little doubt. However, even from the present ones a definite style of its own is discernable. Click on the thumbnails for enlargements and further analysis.

http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_sculptures_1.htm


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:41:42 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/analysis_files/web18a.jpg)


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:42:25 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_sculptures_1_files/db_YPT1-2.jpg)

Two views of what is possibly a work on a really monumental scale, namely the entire coastline. The top picture shows that the wall like structures in the hill sides look definitely artificial, see the difference in the colour and texture of the overgrow of the area just above the walls; looking at the hills further on one can see that by nature they have nicely rounded shapes. The front row of hills suggests a reptile like head on the left (note the eye in the last section on the right of the top wall), with a monkey-like head in the third row just on the edge of the picture. If so, the front row to the right also shows something, though invisible from this angle. The bottom picture suggests the reptile head being that of a snake, it makes the monkey is more clear, and shows that the cliff connecting them may also have features.


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:43:06 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/analysis_files/iseki1_sm.jpg)

(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/analysis_files/iseki1_md.jpg)

The thumbnail makes the suggestion of a whale better that the large size original.


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:43:42 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_sculptures_1_files/tachigami.jpg)

(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_sculptures_1_files/yonaguni914.jpg)

The top picture shows a face in the cliff facing the photographer. The bottom picture shows the detail behind it, and that the top picture accentuates the image by the fact that some of this detail has been lost by the fact that the cliff face is in the shadow.


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:44:05 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_sculptures_1_files/yonaguni6.jpg)

Besides more detail on the same part of the coastline of the previous pictures,nad some more furhter along the coast, the Tachigami statue now looks like having an animal head in its top (nod your head about thirty degrees to the right), and a snake on its right hand side.


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:44:41 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_sculptures_1_files/yonaguni2.jpg)

Click here for the feature.

http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_sculptures_1_files/island05b.htm


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:45:24 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_sculptures_1_files/yonaguni701.jpg)

This is a famous holy place on Yonaguni.
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_sculptures_1_files/yonaguni701_rot1.jpg)

Now look at the upper stone.


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:46:03 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_sculptures_1_files/yonaguni5.jpg)

(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_sculptures_1_files/warship_rock.jpg)

This is called the warship rock, for obvious reasons. There are natural origins, but artificial modification seems likely. Of course, it is a holy site.


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:46:37 pm
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_sculptures_1_files/tamatorizaki%20observatory.jpg)

(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/gallery_sculptures_1_files/islands3.jpg)


Two possible cases of lying down gods, with profiles similar to some in Marcahuasi, and the statues from Easter Island. These are from other islands in the Yaeyama archipel to which Yonaguni belongs.


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:47:12 pm
YONAGUNI ANALYSIS

The author came to know about the Yonaguni monument at about 1995 by a remark in some publication about “a rectangular steps-like structure that was reported by Japanese divers, which was possibly of artificial nature". At the moment the artificiality is still under discussion , especially among archaeologists (though most of them ignore the existence of the finds). What is remarkable are the arguments used by the 'natural origin' proponents, e.g. that only part of the structure is of natural origin, or that the tools associated with its construction have not been found. The first argument is ridiculous: even it were 99% natural, the only thing that matters is the 1% of artificial origin (sceptics are invited to look at the pictures here, and/or the movies here) . The second argument applies equally well to the pyramids of Gizeh. What the natural origin proponents need to do is to make rules in order to distinguish natural from artificial, apply these rules to (archaeological) constructions they consider artificial and see if they comply, and then apply the rules to Yonaguni. The author has formulated a simple set of rules here, that works well on constructions the archaeologists admit to being artificial, like the pyramids of Gizeh. According to these rules, Yonaguni is artificial to the same degree of certainty as the pyramids of Gizeh. So here is taken, on the basis of the rules of good science, that the Yonaguni monument and its surrounding structures are artificial.



 


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 29, 2011, 11:47:38 pm
Taken that the monument is artificial, there are two major characteristics: the blend of natural and artificial features to such a degree that it is hard to tell them apart, and secondly the highly stylized nature of the artificial features. Expressed in Western artistic styles, the level of stylization and abstractness is somewhere between cubism and the paintings of Mondriaan ("The Style"), with the difference that the method of expression is not only straight lines, but also the natural rock structure.

However, from a purely archaeological point of view, maybe the most important aspect of the Yonaguni ruins are that that they are located below some tens of meters of water, because this puts it at least many thousands of years back in history. In fact, its seems probable that it is this aspect of the monument that has kept the discussion on its artificiality alive; there is little doubt that if the monument were safely above ground, its artificiliaty would be beyond question. However, having such a monument of such an age is a very big problem for the known order of history.

Besides its artificiality, there is another archaeologically rather important aspect of the monument that looks obvious seeing the step structures with their combination of straight and non-straight angles: a similarity to the constructions in Peru, specifically Machu Picchu. Further investigation of this possible connection is found in the Yonaguni-Peru gallery. If one hasn't yet visited the Peru collection, and wants to follow the line of investigation of this site, go to the Machu Picchu gallery, and follow on from there. For a direct step to other subjects, like the underwater finds at Andros and Bimini, see the menu.


http://www.altarcheologie.nl/index.html?underwater_ruins/yonaguni/analysis.htm


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 31, 2011, 02:13:17 am
YONAGUNI OVERVIEWS

Since underwater pictures have a limited range of visibility, it is difficult to get an overview of the entire monument. The ones that could be found have been collected below, together with maps of the island and its location. Note that there are substantial differences between the different overviews of the monument. The relation between the large scale structure and the detailed pictures is given on the link map page.


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 31, 2011, 02:14:06 am
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/overview_files/overview.jpg)

A schematic overview of the main monument.


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 31, 2011, 02:14:53 am
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/overview_files/tourcastlemap.jpg)

A schematic topview with some of its surroundings.


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 31, 2011, 02:15:44 am
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/overview_files/COjapanpyr2.jpg)

This corresponds to the lower left quarter of the monument as depicted above. Most of the pictures are of this part, because it has the most detail, and even here the features are measured in meters. The even larger dimensions elsewhere are difficult to photograph due to the limited range under water. (sketch by Kihachiro Aratake, the discoverer of the monument)
 


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 31, 2011, 02:27:25 am
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/overview_files/monument_1_mod1.jpg)


"Stadium" is part of the underwater ruins area, so one can see the area is quite large. Tachigami-Iwa (some kilometers away) and San'ninu-dai are features above water that are possibly related to the underwater finds, and they are also discussed on this website.


Title: Re: the Yonaguni Monument
Post by: Sundra on December 31, 2011, 02:28:11 am
(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/overview_files/top_japan_md.jpg)

Yonaguni, one of the Yaeyama Islands indicated by the box, is an invisible speck at the left of the box. In fact, it is the most western point of official Japan. The big island to its left is Taiwan, which is visible from it some days of the year. This picture clearly shows that Yonaguni is geologically more directly related to Taiwan than Japan. The islands half way to Japan are the Okinawa group of which the Yaeyama Islands are a formal part.

http://www.altarcheologie.nl/underwater_ruins/yonaguni/overview.htm