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Title: A S T R O L O G Y - Western
Post by: Bianca on August 03, 2007, 06:49:28 am

                                            A S T R O L O G Y

Astrology (from Greek: αστήρ, αστρός (astér, astrós), "star", and λόγος, λόγου (lógos, lógou), "word" or "speech") 

is a group of systems, traditions, and beliefs in which knowledge of the relative positions of celestial bodies and 

related details is held to be useful in understanding, interpreting, and organizing information  about personality, 

human affairs, and other terrestial matters.                                                                 

A practitioner of Astrology is called an Astrologer, or, less often, an Astrologist.

Numerous traditions and applications employing Astrological concepts have arisen since its earliest recorded beginnings in the 2nd millennium BCE It has played a role in the shaping of culture, early Astronomy, and other disciplines throughout history.

Historically, Astrology and Astronomy were often indistinguishable, with the desire for predictive and divinatory knowledge one of the primary motivating factors for Astronomical observation.

Astronomy began to diverge from Astrology after a  period of gradual separation in the 18th century, and has since distinguished itself as the scientific study of Astronomical objects and phenomena, placing no significance on these phenomena's  Astrological correlation.

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Post by: Bianca on August 03, 2007, 07:08:28 am
The core beliefs of Astrology were prevalent in most of the ancient world and are epitomized in the Hermetic maxim "as above, so below". Tycho Brahe used a similar phrase to summarize his studies in Astrology: suspiciendo despicio, "by looking up I see downward".  Although the principle that events in the heavens are mirrored by those on Earth was once generally held in most traditions of Astrology around the world, in the West there has historically been a debate among Astrologers over the nature of the mechanism behind Astrology. The debate also covers whether or not celestial bodies are only signs or portents of events, or if they are actual causes of events through some sort of force or mechanism.

Although the connection between celestial mechanics and terrestrial dynamics was explored first by Isaac Newton with his development of a universal theory of gravitation, claims that the gravitational effects of the celestial bodies are what accounts for Astrological generalizations are not substantiated by scientific research, nor are they advocated by most Astrologers.

A common belief held by Astrologers is that the positions of certain celestial bodies either influence or correlate with human affairs. A modern explanation is that the cosmos (and especially the solar system) acts as a single unit, so that any happening in any part of it inevitably is reflected in every other part, somewhat representing chaos theory. Skeptics dispute these claims, pointing to a lack of concrete evidence of significant influence of this sort.

Most Astrological traditions are based on the relative positions and movements of various real or construed celestial bodies and on the construction of celestial patterns as seen at the time and place of the event being studied.

These are chiefly the Sun, Moon, the planets, the stars and the lunar nodes. The frame of reference for such apparent positions is defined by the tropical or sidereal zodiacal signs on one hand, and by the local horizon (ascendant) and midheaven on the other. This latter (local) frame is typically further divided into the twelve astrological houses. Furthermore, the Astrological aspects are used to determine the geometric/angular relationship(s) between the various celestial bodies and angles in the horoscope.

The claim of Astrology to predict future trends and developments, or predictive astrology, is based on two main methods: Astrological transits and Astrological progressions. In Astrological transits the ongoing movements of the planets are interpreted for their significance as they transit through space and the horoscope. In Astrological progressions the horoscope is progressed forward in time according to set methods. Most modern Astrologers no longer try to forecast actual events, but focus instead on general trends and developments. Skeptics respond that this allows Astrologers to avoid making verifiable predictions, and gives them the ability to attach significance to arbitrary and unrelated events, in a way that suits their purpose.

In the past, Astrologers often relied on close observation of celestial objects and the charting of their movements. Modern Astrologers use data provided by astronomers which are transformed to a set of astrological tables called ephemerides, showing the changing zodiacal positions of the heavenly bodies through time.


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Post by: Bianca on August 03, 2007, 07:11:01 am

                                                     T R A D I T I O N S

There are many traditions of Astrology, some of which share similar features due to the transmission of Astrological doctrines between cultures. Other traditions developed in isolation and hold completely different doctrines, although they too share some similar features due to the fact that they are drawing on similar astronomical sources.


The main traditions used by modern Astrologers are:

Indian (Vedic) Astrology

Western Astrology

Chinese Astrology


                                                                 VEDIC ZODIAC

Indian and Western Astrology share a common ancestry as Horoscopic Systems of Astrology and are essentially similar in content. Both traditions focus on the casting of an Astrological Chart or Horoscope, a representation of celestial entities, for an event based on the position of the Sun, Moon, and planets at the moment of the event. The main difference between the two traditions is that Indian Astrology uses the Sidereal Zodiac, linking the signs of the zodiac to their original constellations, while Western Astrology uses the Tropical Zodiac. Because of the precession of the equinoxes, over the centuries the twelve zodiacal signs in Western astrology no longer correspond to the same part of the sky as their original constellations. In effect, in Western Astrology the link between sign and constellation has been broken, whereas in Indian Astrology it remains of paramount importance.

                                                             CHINESE ZODIAC

In Chinese Astrology a quite different tradition has evolved. By contrast to Western and Indian Astrology, the twelve signs of the zodiac do not divide the sky, but rather the celestial equator. The Chinese evolved a system where each sign corresponds to one of twelve 'double-hours' that govern the day, and to one of the twelve months. Each sign of the zodiac governs a different year, and combines with a system based on the five elements of Chinese cosmology to give a 60 (12 x 5) year cycle. The term Chinese Astrology is used here for convenience, but it must be recognised that versions of the same tradition exist in Japan, Vietnam, Thailand and other Asian countries.

In modern times, these traditions have come into greater contact with each other, notably with Indian and Chinese Astrology having spread to the West, while awareness of Western Astrology is still fairly limited in Asia. Astrology in the Western world has diversified greatly in modern times. New movements have appeared, which have jettisoned much of Traditional Astrology to concentrate on different approaches, such as a greater emphasis on midpoints, or a more psychological approach. Some recent Western developments include:

Modern Tropical and Sidereal Horoscopic strology
Psychological Astrology
Sun sign Astrology
Hamburg School of Astrology
Uranian Astrology, subset of the Hamburg School

Historical Traditions

Throughout its long history, Astrology has come to prominence in many regions and undergone developments and change. There are many Astrological Traditions that are historically important, but which have largely fallen out of use today. Astrologers still retain an interest in them and regard them as an important resource. Historically significant Traditions of Astrology include:

Arab and Persian Astrology (Medieval, near Eastern)
Babylonian Astrology (Ancient, near East)
Egyptian Astrology
Hellenistic Astrology (Classical antiquity)
The history of Western, Chinese, and Indian Astrology is discussed in the main article history of Astrology.

Esoteric Traditions
Many mystic or esoteric traditions have links to Astrology. In some cases, like Kabbalah, this involves participants incorporating elements of Astrology into their own traditions. In other cases, like Divinatory Tarot, many Astrologers themselves have incorporated the tradition into their own practice of astrology. Esoteric traditions include, but are not limited to:

Kabbalistic Astrology
Medical Astrology
Rosicrucian or "Rose Cross"
Tarot Divination
Historically, Alchemy in the Western World was particularly allied and intertwined with traditional Babylonian-Greek style Astrology; in numerous ways they were built to complement each other in the search for occult or hidden

 Astrology has used the concept of the four classical elements of alchemy from antiquity up until the present day. Traditionally, each of the seven planets in the solar system known to the ancients was associated with, held dominion over, and "ruled" a certain metal.

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Post by: Bianca on August 03, 2007, 07:18:03 am

The zodiac

The zodiac is the belt or band of constellations through which the Sun, Moon, and planets transit across the sky. Astrologers noted these constellations and so attached a particular significance to them. Over time they developed the system of twelve signs of the zodiac, based on twelve of the constellations they considered to be particularly important. The Western and Indian zodiac signs have a common origin in the tradition of Horoscopic Astrology, and so are very similar in meaning. In China on the other hand, the development of the zodiac was different. Although the Chinese too have a system of twelve signs (named after animals), the Chinese zodiac refers to a pure calendrical cycle, as there are no equivalent constellations linked to it like the Western or Indian zodiacs. The common choice of twelve zodiac signs is understandable considering the interaction of the Sun and Moon was central to all forms of Astrology. Twelve cycles of the Moon — the months — coincided with one solar year, making twelve a natural choice.

The majority of Western Astrologers base their work on the Tropical Zodiac which divides the sky into twelve equal segments of 30 degrees each, beginning with the first point of Aries, the point where the line of the earth's celestial equator and the ecliptic (the Sun's path through the sky) meet at the northern hemisphere spring equinox. Due to the Precession of the Equinoxes, the slow changing of the way Earth rotates in space, the zodiacal signs in this system bear no relation to the constellations of the same name but stay aligned to the months and seasons.

Practitioners of the Indian Astrological Tradition and a minority of Western Astrologers use the Sidereal Zodiac. This Zodiac uses the same evenly divided ecliptic but approximately stays aligned to the positions of the observable constellations with the same name as the zodiacal signs. The Sidereal Zodiac differs from the Tropical Zodiac by an offset called the 'ayanamsa' which steadily increases as the equinoxes drift further.

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Post by: Bianca on August 03, 2007, 07:20:12 am


18th century Icelandic manuscript showing Astrological Houses and glyphs for planets and signs.

Horoscopic Astrology is a system that was developed in the Mediterranean region and specifically Hellenistic      Egypt around the late 2nd or early 1st century BCE. The tradition deals with two-dimensional diagrams of the heavens, or horoscopes, created for specific moments in time. The diagram is then used to interpret the inherent meaning underlying the alignment of celestial bodies at that moment based on a specific set of rules and guidelines.

A horoscope was calculated normally for the moment of an individual's birth, or at the beginning of an enterprise or event, because the alignments of the heavens at that moment were thought to determine the nature of the subject in question. One of the defining characteristics of this form of astrology that makes it distinct from other traditions is the computation of the degree of the Eastern horizon rising against the backdrop of the ecliptic at the specific moment under examination, otherwise known as the Ascendant. Horoscopic aAstrology has been the most influential and widespread form of Astrology across the world, especially in Africa, India, Europe, and the Middle East, and there are several major traditions of Horoscopic Astrology whose origins are Hellenistic, including Indian, Medieval, and most other modern Western traditions of Astrology.


( A hand drawn horoscope                                                                                                                                     

Central to Horoscopic Astrology and its branches is the calculation of the Horoscope or Astrological chart. This two-dimensional diagrammatic representation shows the celestial bodies' apparent positions in the heavens from the vantage of a location on Earth at a given time and place. The horoscope is also divided into twelve different celestial houses which govern different areas of life. Calculations performed in casting a horoscope involve arithmetic and simple geometry which serve to locate the apparent position of heavenly bodies on desired dates and times based on Astronomical tables. In ancient Hellenistic Astrology the Ascendant demarcated the first celestial house of a horoscope. The word for the Ascendant in Greek was 'horoskopos' from which horoscope derives. In modern times, the word has come to refer to the Astrological chart as a whole.

 Branches of Horoscopic Astrology

Traditions of Horoscopic Astrology can be divided into four branches which are directed towards specific subjects or purposes. Often these branches use a unique set of techniques or a different application of the core principles of the system to a different area. Many other subsets and applications of Astrology are derived from these four fundamental branches.

Natal Astrology, the study of a person's natal chart to gain information about the individual and his/her life experience.

Katarchic Astrology, which includes both electional and event astrology. The former uses Astrology to determine the most auspicious moment to begin an enterprise or undertaking, and the latter to understand everything about an event from the time at which it took place.

Horary Astrology, used to answer a specific question by studying the chart of the moment the question is posed to an Astrologer.

Mundane or World aAstrology, the application of Astrology to world events, including weather, earthquakes, and the rise and fall of empires or religions.

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Post by: Bianca on August 03, 2007, 07:26:55 am

                                       H I S T O R Y   O F   A S T R O L O G Y




The origins of much of the Astrological doctrine and method that would later develop in Asia, Europe, and the Middle East are found among the ancient Babylonians and their system of celestial omens that began to be compiled around the middle of the 2nd millennium BCE. This system of celestial omens later spread either directly or indirectly through the Babylonians to other areas such as India, China, and Greece where it merged with pre-existing indigenous forms of Astrology.  This Babylonian astrology came to Greece initially as early as the middle of the 4th century BCE, and then around the late 2nd or early 1st century BCE after the Alexandrian conquests, this Babylonian Astrology was mixed with the Egyptian tradition of decanic Astrology to create Horoscopic Astrology. This new form of Astrology, which appears to have originated in Alexandrian Egypt, quickly spread across the ancient world into Europe, the Middle East and India.

 Before the scientific revolution

From the classical period through the scientific revolution, Astrological training played a critical role in advancing Astronomical, Mathematical, Medical and Psychological Knowledge. Astrological influences included the observation and long-term tracking of celestial objects. It was Astrologers who provided the first systematic documentation of the movements of the Sun, the Moon, the planets, and the stars. The differentiation between Astronomy and Astrology varied from place to place; they were indistinguishable in ancient Babylonia and for most of the Middle Ages, but separated to a greater degree in ancient Greece (see Astrology and Astronomy). Astrology was not always uncritically accepted before the modern era; it was often challenged by Hellenistic skeptics, church authorities, and medieval thinkers.

The pattern of Astronomical knowledge gained from astrological endeavours has been historically repeated across numerous cultures, from ancient India through the classical Maya civilization to medieval Europe. Given this historical contribution, Astrology has been called a protoscience along with pseudosciences such as Alchemy (see "Western Astrology and Alchemy" ).

Many prominent scientists, such as Nicholas Copernicus, Galileo Galilei, Tycho Brahe, Johannes Kepler, Isaac Newton,  Carl Jung and others, practiced or significantly contributed to Astrology.

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Post by: Bianca on August 03, 2007, 07:28:46 am


                     THEMA MUNDI

Main article: Cultural influence of Astrology

Astrology has had a profound influence over the past few thousand years on Western and Eastern cultures. In the middle ages, when even the educated of the time believed in Astrology, the system of heavenly spheres and bodies was believed to reflect on the system of knowledge and the world itself below.

Astrology has had an influence on both language and literature. For example, influenza, from medieval Latin influentia meaning influence, was so named because doctors once believed epidemics to be caused by unfavorable planetary and stellar influences. The word "disaster" comes from the Latin dis-aster meaning "bad star". Adjectives "lunatic" (Luna/Moon), "mercurial" (Mercury), "venereal" (Venus), "martial" (Mars), "jovial" (Jupiter/Jove), and "saturnine" (Saturn) are all old words used to describe personal qualities said to resemble or be highly influenced by the astrological characteristics of the planet, some of which are derived from the attributes of the ancient Roman gods they are named after. In literature, many writers, notably Geoffrey Chaucer and William Shakespeare, used Astrological symbolism to add subtlety and nuance to the description of their characters' motivation(s). Often, an understanding of Astrological symbolism is needed to fully appreciate such literature.

Some modern thinkers, notably Carl Jung, believe in Astrology's descriptive powers regarding the mind without necessarily subscribing to its predictive claims. In education Astrology is reflected in the university education of medieval Europe, which was divided into seven distinct areas, each represented by a particular planet and known as the seven liberal arts.

                                                                                                                                                     Dante Alighieri speculated that these arts, which grew into the sciences we know today, fitted the same structure   as the planets. In music the best known example of Astrology's influence is in the orchestral suite called "The Planets" by the British composer Gustav Holst, the framework of which is based upon the Astrological symbolism of the planets.

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Post by: Bianca on August 03, 2007, 07:32:14 am

Critical appraisal of traditional Astrology

Historically, Astrologers have been concerned by worldly affairs, not by personal horoscopes, and were interested in personal affairs only to the extent that the persons had a sizable impact on large-scale events, such as kings and religious leaders. What is known today as mundane Astrology, was, during most of history, Astrology itself, while what is today criticized as "Astrology" is a Modern, person-centered practice that is in contradiction with basic premises of the Astrological traditions found throughout the World. For this reason, a critical appraisal of Astrology must necessarily address the claims made my mundane astrologers and astrologers of the past, such as Isaac Newton *, of a parallel between worldly affairs and planetary cycles, conjunctions and multiple conjunctions.

Possible correlation of the rarest planetary conjunction in History with major cultural changes

Prominent Astrologers have pointed out that the rarest planetary event to occur during the last millenia correlated with many events of uncontroversial philosophical and religious significance. During or shortly after the triple conjunction of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto (which cycles are of 84, 164 and 249 years, respectively) took place, in 575 BC, major philosophical and religious shifts occurred in various cultures in the World:

Buddhism; Gautama Buddha (circa 563 BCE to 483 BCE)

Confucianism; Confucius (551 BCE – 479 BCE)

Taoism; Lao Tzu (6th century BC; dates are disputed)

Pythagoreanism; Pythagoras (between 580 and 572 BC – between 500 and 490 BC)

Destruction of Solomon's Temple (585-586); Prophet Jeremiah


*Newton, Isaac. (1733) Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel/Part I Chap II - Of the Prophetic Language. "For understanding the Prophecies, we are, in the first place, to acquaint our-selves with the figurative language of the Prophets. ... This language is taken from the analogy between the world natural, and an empire or kingdom considered as a world politic. In the heavens, the Sun and Moon are, by interpreters of dreams, put for the persons of Kings and Queens; but in sacred Prophecy, which regards not single persons, the Sun is put for the whole species and race of Kings, in the kingdom or kingdoms of the world politic, shining with regal power and glory; the Moon for the body of the common people, considered as the King's wife; the Stars for subordinate Princes and great men, or for Bishops and Rulers of the people of God, when the Sun is Christ; light for the glory, truth, and knowledge, wherewith great and good men shine and illuminate others; darkness for obscurity of condition, and for error, blindness and ignorance; darkning, smiting, or setting of the Sun, Moon, and Stars, for the ceasing of a kingdom, or for the desolation thereof, proportional to the darkness; darkning the Sun, turning the Moon into blood, and falling of the Stars, for the same; new Moons, for the return of a dispersed people into a body politic or ecclesiastic."

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Post by: Bianca on August 03, 2007, 10:17:19 pm


From times immemorial, Astrology has been a determining factor in the decisions and actions of men of all ranks and stations. At the begin of the 17th century, great scientists as Tycho Brahe, Galileo Galilei, Johannes Kepler and Copernicus – now best remembered for their roles in the development of modern physics and astronomy – were all Astrologers first.

As for Isaac Newton, he is best remember for having said about Astrology:

 “...............Sir, I have studied the matter, you have not!”

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Post by: mdsungate on August 10, 2007, 04:08:33 pm
 :)  Well you knew I'd get here eventually, "B"  I studied Astrology with Zoltan Mason, a renouned astrologer, and author of "Astrosysthesis" also the late owner of "Mason's Bookstore" in Manahatan, NY where you could get every kind of book on anything esoteric, including anything remotely associated with Astrology.  Zoltan would say in his classes, in his thich Hungarian accent, (he was a very striking looking Hungarian gypsy), that "anyone can learn to do the math, but interpreting the chart was what seperated the men from the boyscouts".  I soon learned that although the stars were immutable, unlike the tarrot cards, (which I think spirits can manulipate), it's still much like the stars just give you a clue as to "where to look" and interpreting the chart and the horoscope requires tapping into physic abilities that you either have or you don't. 

But what really brings me here is something I just stumbled across in looking for something to pertain to the ley lines.  And it's new to me, so tell me what you think about some of it as it all pertains to Astrology.  I'll try to copy and paste some of it. If It doesn't come out right, it's taken from this site: (

The Zodiac, Cherubim & The Sphinx
Myth and God's Message in the Heavens

The pictures found today in the zodiac were not developed by the Greeks, but were in place perhaps as early as 4000 B.C. predating even the civilizations of Sumeria . These pictures were not merely arranged in haphazard order to aid in the tracking of the star movements, but with the purpose of depicting an epic narrative. Authors like Bullinger and Seiss have suggested that there is a deeper meaning, one that goes beyond even the most illuminated of occult interpretations. The zodiac is a pictorial story of God's plan of salvation on earth.  The key to understanding the celestial zodiac is found in ancient depictions of a mythical creature called a  sphinx.


Sphinx were often placed at entrances to palaces or temples of antiquity. This positioning implied power, authority and protection. The bodily form of the sphinx combines two to four animals, a lion, bull or eagle with the head of a human. 

The combination of all four creatures in one constitutes what is described in Ezekiel and elsewhere in the Bible as a type of angel.

The word kerubim means "one who prays", or "one who intercedes." Cherubim or Kerubim are an order of angel described in the Bible and ancient texts as a combination of two, or more often, four creatures -- including that of a human. Both the mythical Sphinx and the scriptural cherubim are "hybrid" beings combining two to four creatures. The meaning of these creatures can be found in the zodiac narrative.


Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. 

The true meaning of the celestial zodiac and the symbols of the ecliptic, the course the sun appears to travel the heavens, seems to have been lost to the majority of mankind. The purpose of the zodiac symbols can be understood by connecting the sequence of pictures in story form.
But what is that connection? What point in the circle of heaven is its beginning?

Sphinx in Greek means to "connect or bind together".A sphinx combines the head of a woman and the body of a lion. This fixes the beginning and ending of the celestial narrative --  beginning with Virgo and ending with Leo.

What about the four creatures of a cherub?
Look to four of the brightest stars in the zodiac;
Fomalhaut in Aquarius (man)
Regulus in Leo (lion)
Antares in Ophiuchus (serpent holder, or eagle) and
Aldebaran in Taurus (the bull).
All four of these stars are arranged three signs apart, in the four corners of the heavens - the four fixed signs of the zodiac. These are the four creatures which combine to form scriptural  cherubim. 
From: David Ulansey Biblical Archaeology Review, vol. 20,#5  pp. 40-53
Because the ancients believed in the real existence of the great sphere of the stars, its various parts-- such as its axis and poles-- played a central role in the cosmology of the time. In particular, one important attribute of the sphere of the stars was much better known in antiquity than it is today: namely, its equator, known as the "celestial equator."Just as the earth's equator is defined as a circle around the earth equidistant from the north and south poles, so the celestial equator was understood as a circle around the sphere of the stars equidistant from the sphere's poles. The circle of the celestial equator was seen as having a particularly special importance because of the two points where it crosses the circle of the zodiac: for these two points are the equinoxes, that is, the placeswhere the sun, in its movement along the zodiac, appears to be on the first day of spring and the first day of autumn. Thus the celestial equator was responsible for defining the seasons, and hence had a very concrete significance in addition to its abstract astronomical meaning.

As a result, the celestial equator was often described in ancient popular literature about the stars. Plato, for example, in his dialogue Timaeus said that when the creator of the universe first formed the cosmos, he shaped its substance in the form of the letter X, representing the intersection of the two celestial circles of the zodiac and the celestial equator. Thisc ross-shaped symbol was often depicted in ancient art to indicate the cosmic sphere. In fact, one of the most famous examples of this motif is a Mithraic stone carving showing the so-called "lion-headed god," whose image is often found in Mithraic temples, standing on a globe that is marked with the cross representing the two circles of the zodiac and the celestial equator.

One final fact about the celestial equator is crucial: namely, that it does not remain fixed, but rather possesses a slow movement known as the "precession of the equinoxes." This movement, we know today, is caused by a wobble in the earth's rotation on its axis. As a result of this wobble, the celestial equator appears to change its position over the course of thousands of years. This movement is known as the precession of the equinoxes because its most easily observable effect is a change in the positions of the equinoxes, the places where the celestial equator crosses the zodiac. In particular, the precession results in the equinoxes moving slowly backward along the zodiac, passing through one zodiacal constellation every 2,160 years and through the entire zodiac every 25,920 years. 


Now the part I find the most facinating here is this part:

What about the four creatures of a cherub?
Look to four of the brightest stars in the zodiac;
Fomalhaut in Aquarius (man)
Regulus in Leo (lion)
Antares in Ophiuchus (serpent holder, or eagle) and
Aldebaran in Taurus (the bull).
All four of these stars are arranged three signs apart, in the four corners of the heavens - the four fixed signs of the zodiac. These are the four creatures which combine to form scriptural  cherubim. 

So then right now the "cherubs" are under Saturnian innfulence?

You and I are both cherubs, cheri, LOL. ;)

Title: Re: A S T R O L O G Y
Post by: Bianca on August 10, 2007, 04:59:57 pm

Here we go, , Sungate!


Ah, Mike, you brought back so many memories!  It's been such a long time since I had the
luxury of delving in Esoteric Astrology.  Like you, family duties had to come first.....

Now, that I live alone and I have the time, I am not - surprise! - so inclined any more.  The
'esoteric' just doesn't seem to appeal to me right now, maybe when Neptune moves into
Pisces I'll feel different, who knows?

The four Royal Stars are well represented in the WORLD Tarot Card.  I have three of the four
prominent in my chart, especially Regulus which conjuncts my Mercury exactly.  Mercury is also the
most elevated planet in my horoscope, so I am personally well acquainted with them.  They are not
always a blessing......I lack Fomalhaut or any planets in Aquarius, as a matter of fact.  How about
you?  e-mail me you BD facts and I'll do the same and we'll compare notes......

The Angel Theory?  Well, it goes well beyond the Bible, back to Sumerian and Babylonian times.  There
are lots of 'winged beings' represented in their cultures.  I think the Bible is plagiarized from different
Middle Eastern cultures, including the above.  So, it all makes sense.  The Royal Stars are the major
Fixed Stars that we have inherited from Arabian Astrology.  Some Astrologers don't pay much attention
to them, but I think they have great influence.   Believe me, that Regulus can surely do an number on me!

Yes, Saturn is  upon my Mercury right now, but Pluto is also right about that degree of Sagittarius,
so (for a change) it is not being too malevolent on me this time - especially with the lunation in Leo.

Still, we are looking at some pretty rough times ahead.  Kind of world wide, especially with the coming
eclipse of September 11/12 2007.  Better brace ourselves.....We'll need some 'cherubic' help.

I am really impressed with your having such an distinguished Astrology  teacher.  Funny, I had an English teacher.

Both of us learned from foreigners.....

BTW, all that you quoted  not only ties in with Esoteric Tarot, but also with the Kabbalah!  (scratches
head...).  If one can follow all of them, one never ends with a definite answer, it kind of goes round and
round.  Interesting, though.  Thanks for bringing to my attention!

Ciao, caro!

Title: Re: A S T R O L O G Y
Post by: Bianca on August 12, 2007, 04:35:49 pm

Oh, Sungate,

I added six more systems of Astrology this week end.  See what you think.


Title: Re: A S T R O L O G Y
Post by: Bianca on August 12, 2007, 08:45:06 pm

Title: Re: A S T R O L O G Y
Post by: HereForNow on August 12, 2007, 11:30:38 pm
Hello, B.....

I'm curious, are you up for doing a reading for a Capricornian Friend from afar?

Title: Re: A S T R O L O G Y - Western
Post by: Bianca on August 13, 2007, 11:54:16 am


I got a new computer and my software and info is in the old hard drive.  And I can't find the original
disc.  I am lousy at Math, let alone Logarithms......

I'll e-mail you and see what we can do.

Love and Peace,

Title: Re: A S T R O L O G Y - W E S T E R N
Post by: mdsungate on August 13, 2007, 12:12:32 pm
 :)  I checked out those links on the history of astrology, and they reminded me of something.  Of course I know how ancient the knowledge of this “art”, (I don’t think calling it a science would do it justice, LOL), goes back.  I know in my mind it definitely goes back to the predeluvians, (Atlantis & Mu), but it occurs to me that it is another proof of the existence of ancient technology. 

What made me think of it was these two quotes from your links in the here to for post:

Astrology also predates all religions. Certainly all extant religions. The whole concept of heaven is based in Astrology. Most all the ancient Gods had celestial if not zodiacal roots. To my mind the greatest Astrological coup was the three Magi. Think about it. They would have to have know years in advance. Made all those preparations and been there for the birth. Wise men indeed. Such is the power of Astrology.

power of Astrology.
the ancient Hindus understood the precession of the equinoxes and made the calculation that it [a complete cycle] took place once in every 25,870 years. The observation and mathematical precision necessary to establish such a theory has been the wonder and admiration of modern astronomers. They, with their modern knowledge and up-to-date instruments, are still quarrelling among themselves as to whether the precession, the most important feature in astronomy, takes place every 25,870 years or every 24,500 years. The majority believe that the Hindus made no mistakes, but how they arrived at such a calculation is as great a mystery as the origin of life itself."

This knowledge of the procession of the equinoxes is in itself another chip in the proverbial archeological crock that orthodox science subscribes to.  There’s a great researcher who’s devoted his life’s work to the Mayan’s knowledge of the galactic alignment:  John Major Jenkins.

Here a quote from him:

By John Major Jenkins
It is important to define what the Galactic Alignment is in precise astronomical terms. (See the Glossary below for terms.)
The Galactic Alignment is the alignment of the December solstice sun with the Galactic equator. This alignment occurs as a result of the precession of the equinoxes.
Precession is caused by the earth wobbling very slowly on its axis and shifts the position of the equinoxes and solstices one degree every 71.5 years. Because the sun is one-half of a degree wide, it will take the December solstice sun 36 years to precess through the Galactic equator (see diagram below).
The precise alignment of the solstice point (the precise center-point of the body of the sun as viewed from earth) with the Galactic equator was calculated to occur in 1998 (Jean Meeus, Mathematical Astronomy Morsels, 1997).
Thus, the Galactic Alignment "zone" is 1998 +/- 18 years = 1980 - 2016. This is "era-2012."
This Galactic Alignment occurs only once every 26,000 years, and was what the ancient Maya were pointing to with the 2012 end-date of their Long Count calendar.

I think what is so significant is that two cultures on opposite sides of the globe, both knew about an astrological event that only took place once every some 26,000 years!
If this isn’t proof that man has attained a high degree of technology and knowledge much earlier than our “scientists” give us credit for, then what is? 

If someone wasn’t around 26,000 years ago to record when the galactic alignment began, then how do they know when it ends?? 

Astrology is a very, very ancient knowledge. 

Title: Re: A S T R O L O G Y - Western
Post by: Bianca on August 17, 2007, 10:43:50 pm

I have always maintained that Astrology is

                                              THE OLDEST PROFESSION

in the world!!!

Title: Re: A S T R O L O G Y - Western
Post by: mdsungate on August 20, 2007, 04:51:31 pm
 :D  The other unmentionable on, not withstanding, LOL.. I do agree however.   ::)

Title: Re: A S T R O L O G Y - Western
Post by: Bianca on August 31, 2007, 07:13:44 pm
                                MEDICAL ASTROLOGY

Title: Re: A S T R O L O G Y - Western
Post by: mdsungate on September 14, 2007, 03:53:56 pm
 :)  There's been too many great threads here to get to all of them lately, and I have'nt keep up on this one.  But I saw something on Nostrodamus on the "History Channet" and was surprised to learn that all the doctors in his day had to have a knowledge of astrology to use in their practice of medicine. The above picture is exactly so!  Curious though that although it was used, the Church watched the practice of it very closely.  Though the Church did not forbid or ban it, the application of it as to HOW it was used was closely watched by the Inquisitors.   ::)  Dark Ages, indeed!  Any yet they probably knew more of Astrology then, then now.   8)

Title: Re: A S T R O L O G Y - Western
Post by: Bianca on September 14, 2007, 04:49:54 pm


From the beginning of time Astrology and medicine were intertwined.  With time it got even
more refined, as with the Greeks (see Hyppocrates etc).  That's the way it's been since 'til modern times. 

Being a musician, I don't expect you to be aware of it, but if you ever
have time, google the history of medicine.

The mind and the body work together - that's the way I look at it. MENS SANA IN CORPORE
SANO, as 'our' ancestors put it.  A lot of Psychologists use Astrology as a tool, just like
Jung did.

That's the field of Astrology I have been involved in since the beginning, Medical Astrology.
Fascinating field!  One of these days I'll get into it here too.  Right now I want to cover the

The Inquisition was not worried about that, they were worried about the heretical "the Earth
revolves around the Sun" stuff that would contradict their carefully laid down dogmas..... - Astrology as Religion\\ - Decanates

Title: Re: A S T R O L O G Y - Western
Post by: Bianca on January 28, 2008, 09:39:57 am

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