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Title: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Mandy Esser on July 27, 2009, 11:02:16 am
Otty Sanchez: Mother Says Devil Made Her Kill Son

REGINA L. BURNS | 07/26/09 08:56 PM

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DALLAS — Police said they found a 3 1/2-week-old infant stabbed and decapitated in a Texas home on Sunday and his mother screaming that she killed her son after the devil told her to do it.

Otty Sanchez, 33, of San Antonio, was taken to a local hospital in critical condition with self-inflicted stab wounds to her chest and stomach, said San Antonio police spokesman Joe Rios. Investigators took a sword, a machete and a kitchen knife from the home.

Officers also found two children unharmed at the home, though it wasn't immediately clear where they were taken.

Sanchez will be charged with capital murder, Rios said. Police said they didn't know whether she had an attorney. A spokeswoman at University Hospital in San Antonio said she couldn't release information on Sanchez's condition, but Sgt. Wes McCourt said her wounds didn't appear to be life threatening.

Rios said Sanchez was sitting on the couch "screaming that she killed her baby," who police identified as Scott Wesley Buchholtz-Sanchez, when police were called to the home around 5 a.m. Sunday.

"She mentioned that someone or something told her to do it, she was hearing voices. So that leads us to believe that she was experiencing some type of mental crisis," Rios said. "The baby had obviously been decapitated."

McCourt said she told investigators that the devil told her to kill her son.

The infant's body was found mutilated in a bedroom. He likely died earlier Sunday morning, police said.

A woman who answered the phone Sunday at the Bexar County Medical Examiner's office said she couldn't release information about the baby's cause of death.


Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Volitzer on July 28, 2009, 12:41:52 am
Amazing how fundies always blame the Devil for their own evil deeds.   ::)


Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Harconen on August 03, 2009, 04:38:20 pm
Or, maybe it was an alien from reptilian race  ???



Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Volitzer on August 04, 2009, 01:14:53 am
Maybe she was an Obama supporter.

Probably not; but hey liberals here make asinine accusations all the time that are just this intelligent too.    :D :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Robert0326 on August 04, 2009, 01:41:09 pm
Or maybe she is just f@#king insane.  HMMMMMMM!  ::)


Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Harconen on August 04, 2009, 02:31:08 pm
Is it the Devil real?

I was read somewhere that the best lie he is put in world is "Devil don't exist".


Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Robert0326 on August 04, 2009, 02:49:19 pm
No the devil isn't real.  He was thought up to scare ignorant Christians and Catholics so that they would maintain control.  The same with God.


Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Volitzer on August 04, 2009, 11:33:59 pm
Right  !!!   God doesn't exist.   ::) ::) ::)

Only in your mind.   :-\


Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Monique Faulkner on August 05, 2009, 11:19:04 am
Maybe she was an Obama supporter.

Probably not; but hey liberals here make asinine accusations all the time that are just this intelligent too.    :D :D :D :D :D

Name one!  All I see is people sifting through the disninformation that is often posted about stuff, the Birther stuff, for instance.


Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Harconen on August 05, 2009, 03:28:22 pm
Monique, Vol have point there, pro-Obama people here are so full of hate, and when you post something about him in negative light, and they don't have arguments against your post, instantly you are "hater, lier, racist, crazy, go to shrink, etc.", and that is common thing here.Try to post something against him, just for fun, and you will see.


Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Volitzer on August 06, 2009, 12:27:58 am
Maybe she was an Obama supporter.

Probably not; but hey liberals here make asinine accusations all the time that are just this intelligent too.    :D :D :D :D :D

Name one!  All I see is people sifting through the disninformation that is often posted about stuff, the Birther stuff, for instance.

Like Ron Paul's name being mentioned in a KKK newsletter.  That's all the gulliberals here needed to demonize Ron Paul.

Also that one with Von Brunn

Quote


Abortion doctor assassin was a Bush hating, jew hating, FOX news hating, 9/11 truther...


Von Brunn and Who are the Terrorists Anyway
Author
Daniel Greenfield Bio

By Daniel Greenfield Saturday, June 13, 2009

The media and assorted left wings groups are doing their cynical best to somehow place the blame for the Holocaust museum attack at the doorstep of conservative talk show hosts, despite the fact that the shooter hated FOX News and conservative talk show hosts just as muc More..h as the left wing does.

Out of power, the left and the media constantly insisted that Bush’s War on Terror was impacting freedom of speech and terrifying people into not saying what they thought. Of course back in power, we’re seeing the same game that the Clinton Administration played, with warnings about extremism and incitement emanating from their political opposition.

This is the same tactic commonly used in European and Euro-alike states such as Israel, to suppress political dissent from the right, by taking a particular violent attack and hanging it around the neck of everyone more right than the left.

The fact of the matter is that Von Brunn was a long time Nazi. His political connections were to the far right, to the Adelaide Institute, to the Ron Paul campaign, probably by way of Lew Rockwell, the likely ghostwriter for some of Ron Paul’s more neo-nazish screeds in the Ron Paul Survival Guide. The only Republicans Von Brunn would have had anything in common with were far right anti-American figures like Pat Buchanan.

Those are however figures that the mainstream media will not touch, because Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan are just as supportive of terrorists, opposed to fighting terrorism and contemptous of most Republicans-- as they themselves are.

By contrast Von Brunn’s views about Jews, FOX News, Neo-Conservatives, Christians, Israel, etc would put him in the virtual liberal mainstream these days. So when it comes to politics, Von Brunn’s brand of ugly hate has far more refuge among liberals, where conspiracy theories about Jewish power and hate for Israel, along with violent assasination fantasies toward conservative talk show hosts, have far more reach, than they do among Republicans.

And there is of course another issue behind it all. The attention Von Brunn is getting, is vastly out of proprtion to the scale and scope of his attack. By contrast when a Muslim gunman burst into the Seattle Jewish Center using a teenage girl as a hostage, shot 5 women and killed 1… the media didn’t give it nearly the same amount of high profile attention.

But of course there…

1. The killer was a Muslim

2. The killer stated explictly that he hated Jews, Israel and the Bush Administration, and wanted US troops out of Iraq

The second is a mainstream liberal view, and the first insured that Haq, the killer, would be repeatedly described as acting because of mental illness, rather than as a political Islamic killer. Yet Von Brunn’s crime was a good deal lighter than Haq. It has been repeatedly played up for its political value.

The hate toward Israel and Jews that is expressed by Muslims and their liberal fellow travelers, has caused many European Jewish institutions to become virtual fortresses. Synagogues and Jewish organizations in the US have not reached this stage yet for one reason and one reason alone… because the US has far less Muslims and because left wing rhetoric toward Jews has not yet reached the same pitch as in Europe.

The same media lavishing attention on the 88 year old Von Brunn are deliberately ignoring where most of the violence directed against Jewish institutions is coming from, because they play a role in inciting that same violence. When the media repeats the talking points about Israel emenating from Obama, they are promoting the same climate of hostility that has helped turn Jewish organizations in Europe, into fortresses.

When the media refuses to take seriously the ongoing climate of Muslim violence against Jews, they become accomplices in covering up for it. Just as the media did during the Holocaust by under-reporting Nazi atrocities because of anti-war attitudes leading up the Nazi invasion of the USSR and then pressure from the FDR administration to avoid hitting on Jewish themes.

In its final ugly gambit, the media which is anti-Israel, tries to blame Von Brunn’s shooting on conservative media outlets which are pro-Israel.

The goal of course is to use Von Brunn to tar political opposition in general. Witness the Dallas Morning News editor Michael Landauer, exploiting the shooting, to warn people not to forward email news, lest they be guilty of inciting another killing.

Think about that next time you think that news—real news—is delivered to your inbox from anonymous sources who claim the media are hiding something. Maybe next time you’ll wonder what these nutjobs are hiding. In this case, Von Brunn was hiding his murderous, racist rage that resulted in the loss of a boy’s father.

This of course is just an example of how far the mainstream media is willing to stretch their exploitation of the attack on the Holocaust Museum, in order to silence any criticism and opposition.

But why exactly does the press condemn Von Brunn anyway, when it continues to support terrorists who do their best to murder Jews in Israel?

The current President of the Palestinian Authority, Abbas, wrote his doctoral thesis on Holocaust denial. Mein Kampf is a best seller in the Middle East, including “moderate” Turkey.

Yet the media continues to assail Israel for not immediately turning over more land and power to Abbas, when Abbas’s terrorist militias have killed far more Jews than Von Brunn.

For that matter if Von Brunn is so evil, why is the media cheering Obama’s diplomatic efforts with Iran’s Ahmadinejad, who not only traffics in Holocaust denial, but has repeatedly called for, and is trying to implement another Holocaust.

While the media cynically exploits Von Brunn for their own purposes, they are whitewashing far worse monsters than him.

While the media inveighs against Von Brunn, the Obama Administration will be spending hundreds of millions of dollars to arm and train the young Palestinian Arab versions of Von Brunn, in order to enable them to better kill Jews.

An Obama administration plan to train Palestinian forces and deploy them in the West Bank will receive its requested funding, Congress was expected to decide Thursday as Israeli officials said that the US had formulated a two-year plan to train a total of 10 battalions.

According to the decision, the 2009 fiscal year Supplemental Appropriations Bill will include $109 million for projects directed by the United States Security Coordination in Israel Lt.-Gen. Keith Dayton. Congress is also currently evaluating an administration request to receive an additional $100m. to continue and expand the training in 2010.

Now time and time again, these “security battalions” have used their training to engage in terrorism. The US will be spending hundreds of millions to train members of terrorist groups filled with hateful beliefs about the inferiority of Jews and Christians, to be better killers.

They would be doing less damage by simply giving Von Brunn a bazooka and setting him loose in the Holocaust Museum… than they are by training large numbers of terrorists whose beliefs are every bit as hateful as Von Brunn’s and whose training and skills will be far better.

The same media which has lionized Arafat and Abbas, which has promoted the right of Palestinian Arab terrorism against Jews, is far more responsible for the murder of Jews by Abbas and Arafat’s terrorist legions, than any conservative talk show host is for Von Brunn.

If we’re going to take anyone off the air, we could begin with CNN.

But of course it is typical of left’s tactics, just as Obama exploited the Holocaust in Cairo and Buchenwald in order to bash Israel, for the left to exploit the Holocaust museum shootings to attack the only pro-Israel media in America.

Caroline Glick writes further on Obama’s High Commissioner,

Through their obsessive focus on Israeli building activities in Judea and Samaria, Obama and his advisers have sent regional leaders the message that they define their role here not as mediators, but as agents for the Palestinians against Israel. Consequently, far from giving the sense that they seek a peace deal that will be acceptable to Israelis and Palestinians alike, they have convinced the Israelis and the Palestinians - as well as much of the Arab world - that the US intends to coerce Israel into accepting a settlement that sacrifices Israeli security and national needs on the altar of maximalist Palestinian ambitions.

This is the view that Fatah leader and putative Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas expressed in his interview with The Washington Post last month ahead of his visit with Obama. As Abbas put it, the Americans “can use their weight with anyone around the world. Two years ago they used their weight on us. Now they should tell the Israelis, ‘You have to comply with the conditions.’”

Second, Obama has pledged $900 million in US taxpayer funds to Hamas-controlled Gaza and is pressuring Israel to support Gaza economically in spite of the fact that Hamas continues to attack southern Israel with rockets and to expand and diversify its arsenals.

Third, the Obama administration is abandoning its predecessor’s bid to isolate Hamas by pressuring Fatah and Egypt to offer Hamas full partnership in a Fatah-Hamas unity government which would work to cement Hamas’s international legitimacy.

Sure makes von Brunn looks like an amateur, doesn’t it? If only he had converted to Islam, strapped on a Keffiyah, and done the same thing he did, the Palestinian Authority would be naming streets after him, and the media would be pointing to his attack as proof of a cycle of violence that Israel is responsible for.

So in the gulliberal mindset anyone who supports Ron Paul is now an anti-abortion racist...

...and don't tell me it doesn't happen here at Atlantis Online.   :-X


Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Krista Davenport on August 06, 2009, 02:06:41 am
Monique, Vol have point there, pro-Obama people here are so full of hate, and when you post something about him in negative light, and they don't have arguments against your post, instantly you are "hater, lier, racist, crazy, go to shrink, etc.", and that is common thing here.Try to post something against him, just for fun, and you will see.

When has someone here not had "arguments" against your anti-Obama posts?  Like Qoais said, you don't even bother trying to debate anyone, or answering any of their posts, just keep posting anti-Obama propaganda.  Do you even bother reading half of it?   ::)


Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Harconen on August 06, 2009, 07:44:06 am
Monique, Vol have point there, pro-Obama people here are so full of hate, and when you post something about him in negative light, and they don't have arguments against your post, instantly you are "hater, lier, racist, crazy, go to shrink, etc.", and that is common thing here.Try to post something against him, just for fun, and you will see.

When has someone here not had "arguments" against your anti-Obama posts?  Like Qoais said, you don't even bother trying to debate anyone, or answering any of their posts, just keep posting anti-Obama propaganda.  Do you even bother reading half of it?   ::)

       
     Show me a post that I ignore! And this is a posts that all of you ignore: http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,20156.msg163760.html#msg163760 http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,20278.msg163798.html#msg163798 http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,20149.msg163052.html#msg163052
     WTF! I am debate by presenting a facts and all you can ansver is "racist, hater, lier, crasy, etc".I see that is a move to ignore a facts, and to go of topic, but not working any more baby.
 


Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Mandy Esser on August 06, 2009, 11:17:33 am
Hi Harconen,

I think what Krista is trying to tell you is that you answer posts with simply more cut and paste, done't actually debate the issues.  She's right! Some of the material is posted a few times over and is a bit repetious.


Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Harconen on August 06, 2009, 11:50:36 am
Hi Harconen,

I think what Krista is trying to tell you is that you answer posts with simply more cut and paste, done't actually debate the issues.  She's right! Some of the material is posted a few times over and is a bit repetious.

Hi Mandy

Yes it is repetious.Until you answer it.So, you see, you are running of from debate, when you see something you can't answer, or just calling me bad names and going of topic with story.

PLEASE BE FER AND TRY TO STOP DOING THAT.

And try to answer on this with facts.Just on that, and I have archive of posts that you ignore, and don't want to debate it, and you tell me that I am doing that.Or I need to start calling you with bad names, like you are doing with me.Is that a debate you wish? Is it all you know to do? Insulting people you don't like?

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,20156.msg163760.html#msg163760 http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,20278.msg163798.html#msg163798 http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,20149.msg163052.html#msg163052


Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Harconen on August 06, 2009, 11:50:47 am
Hi Harconen,

I think what Krista is trying to tell you is that you answer posts with simply more cut and paste, done't actually debate the issues.  She's right! Some of the material is posted a few times over and is a bit repetious.

Hi Mandy

Yes it is repetious.Until you answer it.So, you see, you are running of from debate, when you see something you can't answer, or just calling me bad names and going of topic with story.

PLEASE BE FER AND TRY TO STOP DOING THAT.

And try to answer on this with facts.Just on that, and I have archive of posts that you ignore, and don't want to debate it, and you tell me that I am doing that.Or I need to start calling you with bad names, like you are doing with me.Is that a debate you wish? Is it all you know to do? Insulting people you don't like?

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,20156.msg163760.html#msg163760 http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,20278.msg163798.html#msg163798 http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,20149.msg163052.html#msg163052


Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Robert0326 on August 06, 2009, 11:59:47 am
Right  !!!   God doesn't exist.   ::) ::) ::)

Only in your mind.   :-\

And he only exists in your mind.   ::)


Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Harconen on August 06, 2009, 12:22:00 pm
Right  !!!   God doesn't exist.   ::) ::) ::)

Only in your mind.   :-\

And he only exists in your mind.   ::)

Hi Robert,

You are an atheist, and Vol believe in God. In your dimension of existence there is no God, in his God is on the first place. So, you can't change eachother.
Please stop before this

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Athiest's vs Believers
                                        “Atheists “Versus “Believers”
                                     " Atheists " are  more  spiritual  than  "Believers" .Atheists  carefully  think  about  the  various  spiritual  questions  :Where  we  would  go  after  death? Where were we before birth? What  is  the  purpose  of  our  existence ?what  is  the  purpose  of  the  universe'existance?Is their  a  reason behind existence?. The  "atheists”, mull  over  these  questions  and in  the  end  when  they  find  no  proof  of  a  higher  power    they  decide    not to  believe  in  it."Believers"  on  the  other  hand do  not  think  as  deeply  about  these  questions  and  just  go  ahead and  believe in  the concept  of    god  simply  because  everyone   is  doing  the  same ,in  short  they  blindly  follow  tradition ."Atheists" questioning attitude   and close analysis of spiritual questions makes them more spiritual than "believers"
                                                    Their  is   a  reason  as  to  why  I  have  written  both  these  terms  under  inverted  commas, the  reason  is  that  I  do  not  believe  that  anyone  can  be  a  believer  or  an  atheist. One  may  pray  once  or  twice ,thrice  or  many  times, one  may  do  this  day  after  day  ,but  their  comes  a time  when  he  asks  himself  whether  all  this  praying  is  serving  any  purpose  or  is  he  only  wasting  his  time ,he  does  questions  the  concept  of  god  and  whether  such  a  power  actually  exits  or  not .Human  mind  is  prone
to doubt  only  that  some  people  doubt  more  than  the  others ,  Without  actually  experiencing something  through  ones  senses belief  is  not  possible.
                                                        Similarly, being   an  Atheist  too  is  not  possible, man's strongest  instinct  is   fear, his  fear  of  the  unknown ,various  uncertainties  in  life means  that  he  would  never  be  able  to  rule  out the possibility of  existence  of  an   intelligent   higher  power .Greed  is  yet  another  powerful  emotion  among  humans , 
he is  never  satisfied  and  he  wants  more    for  the  sake  of  his  greed  he  is ready  to  bow  down in  front  of even an  entity  about  who's  existence  he  himself  is  not  fully  convinced(god).
                           Another  reason  as  to  why  belief  in  non  existence  can  never  be  that  strong ,is  necessity ,reality  is  nothing  but a mental  construct(please  read  about Romantics,Nietzche,Hiediger,and  the  post  modernists) ,reality  is  constructed  by  a  person  according  to  his  necessity  and   his  level  of  knowledge. Their r  some  stages  in  life   when  incentive  and  need  to  believe  is  very  high ,for example  an  old  man  ,he   knows  that  he   is  going  to  die, the idea  that  everything is  going  to  end  after  death(the  atheist  idea) is  a  very  uncomfortable  one  here one  needs  hope so  incentive  to  believe  in  an  afterlife ,god  etc  is  very  high.                           
                                                                  The question arises that are Atheists really rational? Believers  are  irrational because  they  believe  in  a  concept(god) without  any  evidence  of  its existence   ,atheists in     fact     are  just  as  irrational  as  they  declare  something  to  be  non   existent  simply  because  of  the  fact  that  they  cannot find  evidence .If  something  is  hidden  from  us  ,can it  be  taken  as  non   existent ?.
                          Believers  are  intellectually  lazy because  whatever  they  can t  explain  they  ascribe  to  God  and  stop  looking  for  answers ,Atheists  too  are  intellectually  just  as  lazy  because  when  they  can’t  find  an  explanation  they  jump  to  the  conclusion  that  God  does  not  exist  ,and  stop  thinking  further .                                                                                                                                                  Though   the  atheists  like  to  trumpet  themselves  as  thinkers  Atheists  are  just  as  unthinking  and  unquestioning  about  their “ unbelief “ as  the  believers  are  of  their “ belief”. U r no thinker if u don’t question your beliefs.
                                                         Believers  think  themselves  as morally  superior  than  others ,in  that  sense  believers  are  chauvinists ,Atheists  on  the  other  hand  are arrogant  as  they  consider  the  believers (overwhelming  majority  of  the  world  population) to  be  bunch  of  fools and  regard  themselves  as  rational    thinkers ,as  people   with  monopoly  over  rationality.
                    If  a  person  has  to  make  a  choice  between  what  s/he  ought  to  be ---  Atheist or  believer   ,it  is  infact  no  choice  at all  one  is  just  as  bad  as  another . So  it  is  best  to  suspend  judgment  ,perhaps  “Agnosticism”   can  be  another  option ,or  “scientology”   but  these  two  are  no  option  at  all.
   
 


Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Robert0326 on August 06, 2009, 01:54:48 pm
Most religious people are ignorant, illogical and hateful and I will not stop conveying my opinions just as I'm sure you will not stop with your fear propaganda about the government and Obama.


Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Harconen on August 06, 2009, 02:08:01 pm
Most religious people are ignorant, illogical and hateful and I will not stop conveying my opinions just as I'm sure you will not stop with your fear propaganda about the government and Obama.

I was just saying that there is no point in fighting about God. Second, where do you see "fear propaganda about the government and Obama", in the FACTS ant TRUTH ??


Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Robert0326 on August 06, 2009, 02:52:58 pm
Maybe in your mind they are facts and truth.


Title: Re: Texas Mother Says Devil Made Her Decapitate Infant Son: Police
Post by: Harconen on August 06, 2009, 03:04:37 pm
Maybe in your mind they are facts and truth.

So, answer on it with facts, if you can. Let us see the power of your mighty mind. Or your mind is open only to hail your new leader?

                                                             http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhhkyPmJotE

Let us see the power of your mighty mind against this FACTS. http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,20149.msg163052.html#msg163052