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Title: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 27, 2009, 06:30:37 pm
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                                             100 days in office, coronated Messiah



                                 Arms outstretched, he wears crown of thorns on his brow






Posted: April 25, 2009
© 2009 WorldNetDaily


"The Truth" by
Michael D'Antuono


On his 100th day in office, President Obama will be "crowned" in messianic imagery at New York City's
Union Square.

Artist Michael D'Antuono's painting "The Truth" – featuring Obama with his arms outstretched and wearing
a crown of thorns upon his head – will be unveiled on April 29 at the Square's South Plaza.

According to a statement released about the portrait, "The 30" x 54" acrylic painting on canvas depicts President Obama appearing much like Jesus Christ on the Cross: atop his head, a crown of thorns; behind him, the dark veil being lifted (or lowered) on the Presidential Seal. But is he revealing or concealing, and
is he being crucified or glorified?"

Even the title of the piece, "The Truth," suggests a play on biblical themes, as Jesus said in John 14:6,



                  "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."



"More than a presidential portrait," writes D'Antuono on a website touting the painting, "'The Truth' is a politically, religiously and socially-charged statement on our nation's current political climate and deep partisan divide that is sure to create a dialogue."

Like others in the news who have depicted Obama in Christ-like imagery, D'Antuono insists he isn't claiming the man is Messiah, but only inviting "individual interpretations."

"'The Truth,' like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder," claims the exhibit's press release.

D'Antuono even invites the public to email him with reactions to the piece, answering his posed question, "What's your truth?"





(http://www.wnd.com/images/obamadonkey2.jpg)

Clark's Obama sculpture, riding a donkey at the Iowa Capitol

In January, artist Matthew J. Clark paraded a sculpture of Obama riding a donkey and preceded by waving palm fronds, reminiscent of Jesus' entry into Jerusalem in the 21st chapter of Matthew as foretold by the prophet Zechariah: "Behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass."

Like D'Antuono, Clark was also unclear about whether his piece was proclaiming Obama to be the Christ or making some social commentary. Clark's website described the sculpture in vague terms:

"This project was inspired by my thoughts about 'icons' and religious symbols and whether they represent truth or merely represent," Clark's website reads. "The sculpture poses a question that relates to social conventions, metaphysics, and the collective response of society in reaction to fearful and uncertain times, but doesn't impose an answer. For me, it has much more to do with the general public as followers than any leader granted power."


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 27, 2009, 06:44:35 pm
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Others, such as Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, have been far clearer in their nearly religious adoration
of Obama. As WND reported, Farrakhan declared last year that when Obama talks, "the Messiah is absolutely speaking."

Addressing a large crowd behind a podium with a Nation of Islam Saviour's Day 2008 sign, Farrakhan proclaimed, "You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn't care anything about. That's a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking."

Farrakhan pointed out that the man Nation of Islam followers refer to as "the Savior," Fard Muhammad, had a black father and a white mother, just as Obama did.

"A black man with a white mother became a savior to us," he said. "A black man with a white mother could turn out to be one who can lift America from her fall."






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WND previously reported a website called "Is Barack Obama the Messiah?" capturing the wave of euphoria that followed the Democratic senator's remarkable rise.

The site is topped by an Obama quote strategically ripped from a Jan. 7 speech at Dartmouth College just before the New Hampshire Primary in which he told students, "… a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany, and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote" for Obama.

WND also reported on near-religious experiences surrounding Obama on the campaign trail, as supporters who came to hear him speak on several occasions fainted in the middle of the candidate's speeches. As WND reported, some compared the fainting to fanatical swooning in the midst of a mesmerizing preacher; others, like radio host Michael Medved, thought the collapses were staged moments; and still others believed it was simply a matter of people standing in the crowds too long and growing dehydrated.

P.J. Gladnick of NewsBusters, in an article about D'Antuono's painting on the eve of the Obama administration's 100-day-mark, notes that the messianic parallels begun early in the presidential campaign don't seem to be stopping:

"The artist quite clearly portrays Obama as a latter day Christ-like figure, considering the outstretched arms and the crown of thorns. Obama worship, complete with halo images, has been noted before," writes Gladnick, "but it was nothing compared to current expressions in awe of 'The One' as we approach his hundredth day in office on Wednesday."



http://www.forzion.com/full-article.php?news=7177


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 27, 2009, 06:56:53 pm




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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 27, 2009, 06:58:56 pm




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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 27, 2009, 07:11:20 pm




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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 27, 2009, 07:16:17 pm




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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 27, 2009, 07:19:51 pm



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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 27, 2009, 07:21:37 pm




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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 27, 2009, 07:23:21 pm




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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 27, 2009, 07:27:54 pm




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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 27, 2009, 07:30:09 pm




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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 27, 2009, 07:31:46 pm
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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Keira Kensington on April 27, 2009, 07:35:48 pm
Bianca, the only people coronating Obama "the Messiah" are people like yourself, with their irrational hatred of him.

Most people think he is doing a good job, sorry to break it to you.

In fact the latest poll shows that Obama has a 69% approval rating.

Dig it:


Obama enjoys highest approval in 20 years: poll
1 day ago

(http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/media/ALeqM5j1yhBfVqX5jKAvJr2uMLx-sf8nIQ)

US President Barack Obama


WASHINGTON (AFP) — US President Barack Obama, who is approaching his first 100 days in office, is enjoying the best presidential job approval rating at this point in 20 years, a new opinion survey showed.

The poll, by ABC News and The Washington Post, indicated 69 percent of Americans approve of the job he is doing, which is the highest evaluation in about two decades.

But the president faces a partisan divide. While 93 percent of Democrats approve of his activities, only 36 percent of Republicans do so, the poll showed.

Fifty-four percent say Obama's doing a better job than they expected, far above former presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton at their 100-day mark.

They got a 39-percent and 35-percent better-than-expected rating, respectively.

Sixty-three percent say Obama has accomplished a great deal or good amount in his first three months, according to the survey. Just 37 percent said that about Clinton.

And six in 10 Americans say Obama is keeping most of his main campaign promises, far surpassing Clinton, who had 42 percent on that score.

If before Obama's inauguration only 19 percent said the country was on the right track, now 50 percent say so, the poll showed.

The poll was conducted April 21-24 among a random national sample of 1,072 adults. It has a margin of error of plus or minus three points.

Copyright © 2009 AFP. All rights reserved. More »
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ikQec4s9i1Pkvb_MecsjUpBAkNaA



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Keira Kensington on April 27, 2009, 07:48:15 pm
I have to say that I don'ty think that Hillary Clinton, John McCain or Mitt Romney would have caputured so many people's attention like Obama has.  He is one of a kind.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 27, 2009, 08:48:46 pm





KEIRA,



Obama needs a savior more than the rest of us.

It will take a future strong President a lot more than 100 days to undo the damage he did in 100 days.

I'll be long gone and you'll still be paying for this "Glory Ride".


GOOD LUCK !!!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Keira Kensington on April 28, 2009, 07:11:52 am
Bianca,

What don't you like about his first 100 days?  Be specific.



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on April 28, 2009, 11:52:56 am
The bailouts, the swine-flu, doing the Agenda of the New World Order.

Want more...


The Obama Deception

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7535755025025800195


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on April 28, 2009, 11:55:18 am
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=95772


Not to mention his birth certificate issue and his COLB fraud !!!!!!!!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 28, 2009, 12:00:00 pm


Thank you, Vol !!!

Some people just don't seem to realize how much all this costs....

But, then, maybe they never had to support a family, let alone support themselves - some
of them.....

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,17775.0/topicseen.html


Lack of knowledge of Modern History is also at fault here.  Our schools' curricula are woefully
'wanting'.....


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on April 28, 2009, 12:03:44 pm
 Ron Paul Warns Swine Flu Scare Will Be Used As Precedent For More Big Government

Repeat of 1976 fearmongering campaign in full swing

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Tuesday, April 28, 2009

“Step back and think for a minute before rushing and panicking” is the message coming from Texas Congressman Ron Paul who has warned that the swine flu scare will once again be used as a precedent for big government intrusion.

“It makes me think back to 1976, the first year I served in the Congress,” Paul has said in a video update. “We had a vote on the swine flu. Back then there was panic, they said it was going to sweep the nation and they rapidly came up with some flu shots and the government was going to inoculate everybody and save the world from this disaster.”

“It turned out that our instincts were correct.” the Congressman, also a medical physician, commented. “Not only did we think that the government should be involved in making medical decisions… but the flu came, the flu went and one person died, except for those individuals that died from getting the flu vaccine.”

Earlier this week we reported on the events of 1976, highlighting the fact that this last significant outbreak of swine flu in the U.S. originated at the army base at Fort Dix, New Jersey.

President Gerald Ford and then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld (a man who has long standing intimate ties with the big pharma companies that have and will reap millions in profits from these scares) instituted a mass nationwide vaccination program. More than 40 million people were vaccinated. However, the program was stopped short after over 500 cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome, a severe paralyzing nerve disease, were reported. Officially 30 people died as a direct result of the vaccinations, though the real figure is generally thought to have been much higher.

At the time Congressman Ron Paul was one of only two representatives to vote down the vaccination program. His comments were recorded in the book Swine Flu Expose, by Eleanora I. McBean, Ph.D., N.D.

Paul described the move as “a shocking misuse of funds …and an evil political maneuver”, “blatant advertising efforts to panic the people into taking Swine Flu shots will fail.” Paul said.

Some of the fearmongering advertisement campaigns from 1976 are featured in the following video:

(Article continues below)

Ron Paul Warns Swine Flu Scare Will Be Used As Precedent For More Big Government obama 340x169

“Here we are once again, swine flu coming up and everybody is panicking.” Ron Paul says in his latest update.

“This is not to downplay the seriousness of it. Some people have died, some people might die, yet we’ve had no deaths in this country, there’s seven or eight cases up in New York, but none have even been hospitalised and yet it’s practically like we’ve been attacked by nuclear weapons.”

The Congressman put the current panic in perspective by pointing out that last year alone there were 13,000 cases of tuberculosis with the number of annual deaths last recorded in the hundreds.

Paul then opined on how the scare will once again be pounced upon to bolster and further empower big government. He referred to Janet Napolitano’s announcement Sunday that the Department of Homeland Security had started “passive surveillance protocols to screen people coming into the country.”

“How did the Department of Homeland Security get into the medical business? It’s just totally out of control,” Paul said, describing the situation as an open door invitation to allow the federal government to deal with medical problems.

The big question is ‘Does a bigger government always solve these problems?’ No, they usually make things much worse.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ron-paul-warns-swine-flu-scare-will-be-used-as-precedent-for-more-big-government.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB5-Y08qbjo


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Keira Kensington on April 28, 2009, 01:13:46 pm


Thank you, Vol !!!

Some people just don't seem to realize how much all this costs....

But, then, maybe they never had to support a family, let alone support themselves - some
of them.....

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,17775.0/topicseen.html


Lack of knowledge of Modern History is also at fault here.  Our schools' curricula are woefully
'wanting'.....

Bianca,

Instead of just attacking the personalities of the people who disagree with you, why don't you just answer the question, namely what specifically do you disagree with about Obama's first 100 days?

Or did you just accept Volitzer's reasons, which are apparently:

Quote
The bailouts, the swine-flu, doing the Agenda of the New World Order.

Obama isn't responsible for the swine flu, except for maybe in Alex Jones Bizarro world.  As for the agenda of the "New World Order," that is more conspiracy bs.

In your reply, you mentioned people having a lack of knowledge of modern history, well, this directly corresponds with the answer about the bailouts.

If you actually knew modern history as much as you claim to, you'd know that Herber Hoover allowed the banks to fail and cut back on spending during the Great Depression, and what did that do?

It made things worse.

It wasn't until Roosevelt got in there and initiated a massive public works project in 1933 that things finally began to improve (the worst years of the Depression were in the early 1930s). 

When Roosevelt cut back on spending in 1937, the economy started to tailspin again.

When the private sector flounders, it is up to government to pick up the spending, which is what Obama has tried to do.

Now then, all this is a matter of history and public record.  If you really know history as much as you claim to, than this shouldn't be news to you.  So, I ask you again:  what specifically do you disagree with about Obama's policies during the first 100 days?

(And, no fair trying to help, Volitzer, we all know where your point of view is coming from, namely prisonplanet forum).


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on April 28, 2009, 01:25:13 pm

Obama isn't responsible for the swine flu, except for maybe in Alex Jones Bizarro world.  As for the agenda of the "New World Order," that is more conspiracy bs.

Yeah in Keira Kensington denial-land, if it aint on Oprah, Ellen, Tyra or American Idol it probably isn't important.

Now then, all this is a matter of history and public record.  If you really know history as much as you claim to, than this shouldn't be news to you.  So, I ask you again:  what specifically do you disagree with about Obama's policies during the first 100 days?

(And, no fair trying to help, Volitzer, we all know where your point of view is coming from, namely prisonplanet forum).


The Obama Deception is all based on documented facts.  Why don't you go confirm them for yourself ?

You could ask Byron as he is a journalist student by he is as bad as John Stewart as far as being enamored by Democrats, so maybe you had better not and research it for yourself.

That and it will be a good exercise for your anterior cingulate cortex.   ;)

I've posted the films, now all you have to do is confirm the information.   :)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 28, 2009, 01:41:00 pm





Vol,


They're too lazy, too KOOL AID drunk and this:


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,17775.0/topicseen.html


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Keira Kensington on April 28, 2009, 03:05:47 pm
I'm the one who is lazy?  I have asked you twice to answer the question, mainly what specifically you haven't liked about Obama's policies in the first 100 days, and all you have done is print a link to some article that stereotypes people in their twenties that you apparently think supports your point of view.

You have an irrational hatred of Obama.  There is no basis at all for it, that I can see, other than disliking the man personally (for whatever reason).

Thank goodness people like you are in the minority these days.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Keira Kensington on April 28, 2009, 03:06:48 pm
And another thing, Bianca, I actually gave you some history when it came to bank bailouts and economic stimulus.  You might want to go back and try reading it.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Keira Kensington on April 28, 2009, 03:09:29 pm
Quote
Yeah in Keira Kensington denial-land, if it aint on Oprah, Ellen, Tyra or American Idol it probably isn't important.


You're even worse than she is, Volitzer.  While you are busy always offering sexist answers to the women here that you are debating, you are just as drunk with the Alex Jones paranoia to even think for yourself. I have yet to see a single thing that you post here that didn't come from prisonplanet forum or some other right wing conspiracy site. Learn to think for yourself sometime, you might find it refreshing.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Keira Kensington on April 28, 2009, 03:10:48 pm
Quote
I've posted the films, now all you have to do is confirm the information.   


That's all you do is post films. Do you have any opinions of your own or are you simply just ripping off all of Alex Jones?  ;)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 28, 2009, 06:36:12 pm


Keira,


I AM NOT IN THE MINORITY.


YOU are the one in LA-LA LAND!!


Obama has -- without a whiff of self-doubt -- committed America to $6.5 trillion in extra debt,

$65 billion for each one of his first 100 days,

and that's based on an impossibly rosy forecast of the economy.

No wonder congressional Democrats clamor to take over corporations, tax the air we breathe and set wages for everybody.




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Vol,

You would think if for no other reason than to avoid the “Katrina Effect” they would be hardening the borders and air travel from Mexico. If only for their own political preservation. They aren’t doing that.

I find that fact the most worrying of all.

What is their motivation for inaction? Is it, in fact, ignorance or something else.

Maybe they have found a way to get the virus to target bitter clingers?



Myself, I really tend to agree with the column below, after all this is part of the ALINSKI METHOD  that they
are employing, isn't it?


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 28, 2009, 07:07:14 pm








                                          A pandemic of panic -- are we dead yet?






By Wesley Pruden
Tuesday, April 28, 2009
The Washington Times

We were all supposed to be in the graveyard by now, done in by AIDS, SARS, bird flu, poisoned peanut butter, Hong Kong flu, killer tomatoes, global warming and strangulation by kudzu. But here we are, proof that there really is life after death.

Now we learn that we might freeze before the pigs get us. (The chickens failed.) NASA scientists have observed that the solar wind is the weakest since we began keeping such records, that the magnetic axis of the sun is tilted to an unusual degree, and Ol' Sol is the quietest he has been in a century. A chill, say the solar scientists, may be on the way. (Or not.) Worse, says one of them, this could compel reappraisal of the science of global warning. Try as he might, poor old Al Gore just can't keep the cosmos in line.

But this week Ol' Sol has been put in the shade by a new panic du jour. The cable-TV networks and the Internet are bubbling with sunspots, even if the sun isn't. Sample these latest headlines from the Drudge Report: "Two flu cases confirmed in Scotland. Has globalization made us more catastrophe-prone? Swine flu sweeps the globe. Swine flu closes football stadiums. The world must work together against this threat."

We haven't seen a panic quite like this one since the last one. SARS was once thought to be the ultimate panic, though the longest running panic was the AIDS scare, when big media set out to convince us that "now we are all at risk." SARS was never a threat in the United States, and worth the P-word only in China and even there a risk confined mostly to people who sleep with their chickens. You can step in all manner of unpleasant things in a chicken house. AIDS continues to be a succession of personal tragedies, but it has lost its power to terrorize continents. Worse, it lost its media cachet. Besides, nobody at the New York Times or at CNN wants to credit George W. Bush with anything good, or even acknowledge how he has become a hero in Africa for the American campaign against AIDS in Africa that has saved millions of lives.

But here we go again. The World Health Organization is heroically feeding the hysteria with the warning on front pages across the globe and trumpeted by hundreds of television talking heads: "The World Health Organization has warned that the [swine flu] virus has the potential to become a pandemic." The words "flu" and "pandemic" are such powerful scare words that almost nobody notices the accompanying weasel words "may," "could," "might," "potentially" and "possibly" that would stand out in bright red and green neon to the skeptical eye of a wizened old city editor. Alas, most of the wizened old city editors really are in the graveyard, having succumbed more to world-weariness than to fashionable diseases. The director of the World Influenza Center in London says of the outbreak, such as it is so far: "It's difficult to look on the bright side."

No, it's actually not difficult. About 2,000 persons in Mexico are down with flu, and about 150 have died. That's a mortality rate of about 7 percent. Sad, even tragic, but not exactly the most lethal flu virus we've ever seen. There's no mortality rate in the United States because no one has died. Only a few, very few, cases have been reported, and nearly all are described as "mild." You have to give the medical bureaucrats and the media credit for chutzpah to think they can keep such thin soup on the panic menu.

There are no firm estimates or even hopeful guesses of how many Americans are likely to contract flu this spring, but fortunately the ratio of panic to reality is not governed by facts. In the early hours of counting, barely 50 cases had been reported in the United States, and only two in Britain - that's 2, not 2,000 or even 200. About 300,000 to 500,000 cases of flu are reported every year in the United States, where 10 percent to 20 percent of the population comes down with the sore throat, coughing and achy bones of flu. Of those, 30,000 to 40,000 die. What we have so far in the United States is a 50-case panic, caused by a remarkably mild variant of the flu.

The medical researchers say it might mutate. Or it might not. If it does, it might, possibly, maybe, potentially be the worst killer since the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918. Or it might not. Researchers are working on the vaccine, and the media is working on the panic.

We may not get a vaccine, but soon there won't be a dry pair of pants on six continents.



• Wesley Pruden is editor emeritus of The Washington Times.

  Copyright 2009 The Washington Times, LLC 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Keira Kensington on April 28, 2009, 10:03:45 pm
Quote
Keira,


I AM NOT IN THE MINORITY.


YOU are the one in LA-LA LAND!!

I am just baffled at the lack of logic here.  Earlier in this thread, I posted a poll that stated that 69% of the American people approve of the job he is doing.  Other polls released today and in the last few weeks show the same thing.  That makes you in the minority.

Deny those numbers and you are the one in La-La Land.

Quote
Obama has -- without a whiff of self-doubt -- committed America to $6.5 trillion in extra debt,

$65 billion for each one of his first 100 days,

and that's based on an impossibly rosy forecast of the economy.


And Bush turned a surplus into a 36.3 trillion dollar deficit.  What's your point?  My generation is the one that will have to pay it.  I don't give a flying fig, I would rather have national health care and a government willing to spend to improve the economy, rather than have one that made no attempt and let the U.S. spiral into an even deeper Depression.

Quote
No wonder congressional Democrats clamor to take over corporations, tax the air we breathe and set wages for everybody.


You're defending the corporations, the same ones that pay their CEOs gross incomes while moving their companies overseas and lay off American workers?  What do you have agains setting wages for everyone?  If the Republicans had their way, there wouldn't be any minimum wage, Social Security, Medicare, unions or unemployment benefits.  I am not crazy about the Democrats all the time, but they're better than the Republicans, who just support the rich.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 29, 2009, 08:06:27 am






GOOGLE:




                                        CORPORATISM/BENITO MUSSOLINI




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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on April 29, 2009, 10:05:38 am
All of that imagery that deifies Obama is just plain scary.  He does not deserve to be put in a religious context at all -this is extremist and out of control! People are NUTS!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 29, 2009, 12:11:50 pm







Horus,


If you want to see someting that is beyond the pale,  look at this site:


                                           http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/


Yes, maybe I will now start to believe in mind control tactics.

I am really stupified, horrified and just plain old numb.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Wind on April 29, 2009, 12:27:38 pm
This is all very interesting, and I’m not talking about the pictures on page one I’m commenting on your conversations.  I’m both speechless and disappointed, swine flu, Obama, New World Order. The puppeteers are certainly doing their job well, all that I’ve been reading and hearing lately proves that this is the case, and the conversations here at A.O are no exception to this.

I had a lot more to say, but for some reason it doesn’t seem all that important anymore.

The news headline this morning read that the swine flu had taken a 23 month old baby girl.   Was she a bitter clinger?

The world is going to hell around us and we’re here arguing about Religion, Politics, age and maturity, and a secret ancient order that is supposedly behind it all.

History really is going to repeat itself!   But maybe we deserve it!

Wind


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 29, 2009, 12:40:27 pm



Wind,


The 23-month-old girl was from Mexico, brought to the States for treatment:


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,17798.0.html



So, I guess she was not a 'bitter clinger'.....


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on April 29, 2009, 12:59:40 pm
The world is going to hell around us and we’re here arguing about Religion, Politics, age and maturity, and a secret ancient order that is supposedly behind it all.

History really is going to repeat itself!   But maybe we deserve it!


The news sure makes it look that way but my individual world is pretty good. How are the other 6.5 billion individual worlds? The news can never tell us that and wouldn't even if it could because that's not part of the agenda. 

We "deserve" to be punished? By angry cosmic parents?  :) It just is what it is and its part of a higher dimensional plan.  Of course some people only believe in the material world detected by five senses and interpreted/misinterpreted in the brain and for them there are no higher dimensional intelligences or plans!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Perseus on April 29, 2009, 01:18:16 pm
All of that imagery that deifies Obama is just plain scary.  He does not deserve to be put in a religious context at all -this is extremist and out of control! People are NUTS!

I don't find it scary at all, I look at it as simply "pop culture."  Think of it, anytime a person is elected President of the United States, they are subject to all sorts of interpretations from all kinds of people. There is Obama the President and Obama the icon. People are taking all this way too seriously.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on April 29, 2009, 01:24:47 pm
There is Obama the President and Obama the icon. People are taking all this way too seriously.

Hitler started out as a "President" too.  No, I don't think Obama is Hitler, but this serves as a prime historical example of how a democratic nation -who idolized its leader in much the same fashion here- was systematically converted into a totalitarian dictatorship and the populace was deceived and betrayed.  If you look at '30s Nazi propaganda you'll see the same colorful "pop art".  A repeat of that history can't be excluded, and the framework for suspension of civil liberties has already been erected.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Perseus on April 29, 2009, 01:40:53 pm
Hitler seized power once Hindenburg died, it isn't the same thing. A better recent analogy to a leader operating in a near totalitarian fashion would be Mr. Bush, who actually did operate in that manner as well as even wished aloud once that he could actually be a dictator because "it would make things easier."

And, again, there is nothing wrong with making Obama an "icon." The American people did the same with JFK, too. If he ever declares martial law and tries to seize more power than he has, than you'd have reason to worry.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on April 29, 2009, 02:05:37 pm
Hitler seized power once Hindenburg died, it isn't the same thing.

No he didn't and yes it is.  Hitler was given power before a rather weak-willed Hindenburg died.  Sir Lawrence Olivier explains 3:30 into World at War: A New Germany 1933-1939:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E9X_AcpHbA

The transformation of his political power and of the country was not a coup or an overnight process but was systematic -and he entered at just the right time -when the economy was in shambles.  

Obama is sitting in the same chair that Bush did and within the same system.  If he resists this system, he will be removed just as the Kennedys were. 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 29, 2009, 02:13:12 pm



Thank you, Horus.


Very much the same thing happened with Mussolini in Italy.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on April 29, 2009, 02:57:47 pm

Thank you, Horus.

Very much the same thing happened with Mussolini in Italy.

Hi B, youre welcome and... I know, unfortunately.  Because of past-life karmic issues, I've been forced to study World War II (and the Axis Nations in-depth) since about 1980. 

But Perseus is right about getting too worked up, and personally I'm not terribly worried or losing sleep over this.  The very real possibility of history repeating itself here, and of the possible implications of signs or portents like this cant be discounted and shouldn't be completely ignored or written off, but neither can the possibility that these Obama worshipers are just bizarre fringe lunatics like numerous other groups in America who just tend to take things to the ridiculous nth degree.  The door shouldn't be closed on either side until we know more.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 29, 2009, 03:01:01 pm





QUOTE:


"Because of past-life karmaic issues, I've been forced to study World War II (and the Axis Nations in-depth) since about 1980."



Well, Horus....

I have EVERY reason to FEAR this:


                                                      I LIVED THROUGH IT


It's like deja` vu........


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Perseus on April 29, 2009, 03:15:27 pm
Quote
Quote from: Perseus on Today at 01:40:53 pm
Hitler seized power once Hindenburg died, it isn't the same thing.


No he didn't and yes it is.  Hitler was given power before a rather weak-willed Hindenburg died.  Sir Lawrence Olivier explains 3:30 into World at War: A New Germany 1933-1939:

I should have elaborated on this, but I assumed you knew what I was talking about.  Hitler was made Chancellor after the 1933 election because they thought they could control him.  Once Hindenburg died, he used the Reichstag Fire to declare martial law and took complete power then. This is a little like what Bush did after 9/11 with the Patriot Act. So, what I said originally was correct.

I don't really see Obama followers as "cultists."  If there are any deranged people out there that see him as any kind od messiah, they are in the minority.

I have some difficulty with Bianca's statement connecting Mussolini with Obama as well.  First off, Obama is not a socialist, if he was a socialist, he would have nationalized all the banks and taken over all the businesses, etc.  All he has done is given them taxpayer money to help them stay afloat. Mussolini was a socialist, but he was also a dictator. Socialism and a dictatorship (i.e. fascism) are not the same thing.  Sweden, for instance, is a socialist country but it isn't a fascist one.

So, Bianca, I would say it is a bit of a stretch to say you are reliving history.





Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on April 29, 2009, 03:20:30 pm
In dealing with politics, it's simpler to step outside the box at times and look at it from a bird eye veiw sorta speak. Sure, how much money everyone had or doesn't is important to some.
However, is this leader going to bring peace?

Is this leader about helping everyone in this country equally?

Is Obama helping the economy?

And will this debt continue into the future generations?


Unless these problems are solved, it won't even matter who the president is.
America like all other great nations will one day fall and wah-lah. Obama, like Bush was no good to us.
The truth is the truth and Unless Obama makes good on every word he said, even his loyal followers of today will be his nemesis tomarrow. However a plain truth that no one likes to hear but is still true is;
It's our faults the world is like it is and Obama just like the rest of us is a puppet in a much bigger game.

He is convinced he is doing the right thing because this is what the other political party members say is needed for change. On the other hand you have a world full of people who just simply agree with him because they don't know anything else about politics. Sad, but also true.
Very few people nowadays could care less as long as they are stable. And this is why politics still works for them......


It's up to all of you to decide what right and wrong is for yourselves.
Regaurdless of whos right and whos wrong, everyone of us is as much to blame for the worlds problems as our leaders. Until we make the change and go above and beyond our individual calls.

Nothing is going to change and we may as well hand ourselves over to whatever fate awaits us.
It really is that simple ladies and gentalmen. However, this is only my own opinion and means nothing ultimately.
As I stated, it really is up to all of you to decide what it is you want to beleive.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on April 30, 2009, 11:29:51 am

                                                      I LIVED THROUGH IT


It's like deja` vu........

I didn't know that, Bianca. Were you in Germany or Italy or in the countries that Germany occupied?


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 30, 2009, 12:07:36 pm


CORPORATISM/BENITO MUSSOLINI




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Horus,


I was born in Italy in 1937


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on April 30, 2009, 12:14:49 pm
Whoa that's intense! So you were six when the Allies were fighting their way up the boot and the country became a war torn hell! That must have left a permanent impression on all of the children of that country.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on April 30, 2009, 01:01:59 pm
And another thing, Bianca, I actually gave you some history when it came to bank bailouts and economic stimulus.  You might want to go back and try reading it.

I actually posted a film for you to look at and try to debunk it.

Why do young women live in such denial ??

My girlfriend had a hell of a time in the Navy working twice as hard for half the respect because of women like you !!!

Some of you women are your own worst enemies at times.

Hint: Don't date men in FEMA uniforms.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on April 30, 2009, 01:03:51 pm
This is all very interesting, and I’m not talking about the pictures on page one I’m commenting on your conversations.  I’m both speechless and disappointed, swine flu, Obama, New World Order. The puppeteers are certainly doing their job well, all that I’ve been reading and hearing lately proves that this is the case, and the conversations here at A.O are no exception to this.

I had a lot more to say, but for some reason it doesn’t seem all that important anymore.

The news headline this morning read that the swine flu had taken a 23 month old baby girl.   Was she a bitter clinger?

The world is going to hell around us and we’re here arguing about Religion, Politics, age and maturity, and a secret ancient order that is supposedly behind it all.

History really is going to repeat itself!   But maybe we deserve it!

Wind

The question is what are you doing about it ??    ???

 :)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: The Creeper on April 30, 2009, 01:08:34 pm
Paranoid, propaganda trash - this whole thread. I neer realized that there were so many deluded people in the world.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on April 30, 2009, 02:20:30 pm
 Then why contribute by adding to the problem?
Wouldn't it be more productive to explain yourself better by telling us why we are wrong?
I would think so. I mean your certainly entitled to your opinion Creeper.
Yet to simply say we are Deluded without a reason for it seems a bit watered down in itself. Wouldn't you agree?


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on April 30, 2009, 03:22:49 pm


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Horus
Hero Member

Posts: 289



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Whoa that's intense! So you were six when the Allies were fighting their way up the boot and the country became a war torn hell! That must have left a permanent impression on all of the children of that country.


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One good thing came out of it, Horus, at least for me.

A life-long love for the

                                                         GREATEST GENERATION.  

and the  

                                                               UNITED STATES

Maybe, someday, I'll go into particulars - not now.  Too emotional.


I made up my mind to live in America, someday.  And I achieved my dream in 1970.

Make no mistake, I love the country of my birth (see ITALY & MAGNA GRAECIA).  

I love the  United States of America equally.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: The Creeper on May 01, 2009, 12:35:58 am
Then why contribute by adding to the problem?
Wouldn't it be more productive to explain yourself better by telling us why we are wrong?
I would think so. I mean your certainly entitled to your opinion Creeper.
Yet to simply say we are Deluded without a reason for it seems a bit watered down in itself. Wouldn't you agree?


Who says there isn't a reason?  Since the entire basis for your conclusions seems to be paranoid fantasies, I would have to say that the perfect remedy would be some therapy for some of you.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 01, 2009, 08:46:20 am

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                                                            THE FACTS ON FASCISM






By Quin Hillyer
The American Spectator
April 30, 2009

Yes, it is indeed similar to fascism.

Since my April 2 column that compared Barack Obama's economic policies (and others) to those of Italy's Benito Mussolini, I have been denounced on the pages of the Economist, the San Francisco Chronicle, the Toronto Star, and the New York Times (less strongly denounced there than in the others, oddly enough), and by Chris Matthews (and guests Tony Blankley and Larry Sabato) on Hardball, and also had the idea made fun of by CNN morning hosts while they played a rather tame and sober interview they had done with me on the subject.

Never mind that in the New York Times on April 7 , David Leonhardt went farther, comparing the policies to the economics of Hitler in the course of saying that was a good thing because Hitler's economics worked. Somehow, the rather fact-based piece I wrote was seen by the media elite as out of bounds, but Leonhardt's was acceptable analysis because it was meant to praise Obama rather than bury him.

Yet Leonhardt's column is proof enough that it is not some right-wing conspiracy theory that sees fascistic leanings in the big government, corporatist approaches taken by The One in the Oval Office.

Since then, the evidence has grown only stronger. As the Examiner noted yesterday, the Obama takeover of General Motors is astonishing in its scope and reach. The money quote from GM itself: "The U.S. Treasury will be able to elect all of our directors and to control the vote on substantially all matters brought for a stockholder vote."

This is scary stuff. It is not just a diminution of freedom, but a frontal assault. And it's only part of the story, the whole of which is even worse. We now have the government refusing to accept repayment of loans it made to various banks -- preferring to keep control of the banks to regaining the taxpayers' money quickly. Moving from economics to coercion and the use of the state to target political enemies, we have a Homeland Security Department targeting veterans and anti-abortionists as potential terrorists, and a White House leaving open the option of prosecuting its predecessors over honest policy choices made in a time of war and without identifying any specific domestic law supposedly broken. We see selective release of previously classified information for political purposes. We have the advancement of "hate crimes" legislation that makes it a prosecutable offense to think unapproved thoughts. (House Republican Leader John Boehner was right to say the bill makes him "want to throw up.")

On the domestic level, again I say, all of this is straight out of the Mussolini playbook.

But again, to make this clear for those too dim to understand it the first time, let it be said that to compare policies to those of Mussolini is not to engage in radical name-calling or comparison to Hitler. Mussolini was bad, indeed awful -- an authoritarian thug an bully, along the same lines as dozens of other authoritarian thugs and bullies through the years. The comparison definitely ought to scare those who love freedom -- but no more than a comparison to, say, Fulgencio Batista in Cuba.

Authoritarianism is not totalitarianism, though. There is a big difference -- a difference educated people once understood. We are not talking about pure evil, not talking about genocide, not talking about brutal attempts at foreign conquest, not talking about Mengele-like experiments and deliberate killing of "defectives." What we are talking about is the beginning of a tendency toward authoritarianism (so far minus the thuggishness), especially in the economic realm. And we darn well ought to be able to make sober, factual, valid historical analogies, by way of warning -- much as Leonhardt did, in his rather twisted attempt at praise of Obama -- without being accused of foaming at the mouth.

It is especially appropriate to make such comparisons if one has already shown that it is not merely a partisan accusation. Some of us noted even when Bush started us on this path that it had similarities to fascist economics. And I take a back seat to nobody in having fought against real neo-Nazism on the right, as a founding board member of the Louisiana Coalition Against Racism and Nazism (which carried the fight against David Duke).

Again, this is a question of freedom. It's a question of free enterprise, free markets, and free minds. When an administration takes over banks and car companies, and makes moves to force through a takeover of the entire health care industry without the ordinary procedural safeguards, and (even under Bush) forces banks to buy other banks against their will, then this isn't the America we know and love. This is instead a country ruled by a top-down, command-and-control, invasive, barely accountable, self-selected elite.

And that is dangerous. And, minus the antipathy to labor unions, that is the very definition of Italian economic fascism. And if Chris Matthews would put me on his show to have a civil discussion about it, his viewers would find it a reasonable and edifying conversation -- with not a single bit of what Matthews described as "red hot language."

Meanwhile, I hope Speaker Nancy Pelosi, President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder don't charge me with a "hate crime" for using the word fascist with regard to their policies.




Quin Hillyer
is a senior editorial writer at the
Washington Times and senior editor of

 The American Spectator.

He can be reached at
qhillyer@gmail.com.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 01, 2009, 08:56:00 am







I think that calling them Fascist is inaccurate.

The Fascists had a grand theory. It was so much swill, but it was grand in outline.

The Political Left has had to abandon much of its theory, and what is left is a hodgepodge of bits of this and that; a little Fabian Socialism, a little Marxism, a little Social Darwinism turned upside-down, and the Gods alone know what else.

There are significant differences, though:


                                                 Mussolini and Hitler were ultra-nationalists


while Obama may be the first US president who travels the world 'badmouthing'  America.

For all we know, he may not even be an American......


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on May 01, 2009, 09:35:56 am
No matter what policies a party or leader has, there's bound to be some overlapping where both parties believe the same thing.  Suddenly this becomes a major comparison and the instant conclusion is - both parties are bad.  As in this example of Obama being compared to....whoever.  That's like saying I'm like Joan of Arc because I'm female.

The poor man has only been in office for 100 days and he's being blamed for just about everything thats ever happend in the past and what's happening now.  When we had the bird flu scare, I didn't see anyone posting that President Bush should find the cure for it, but I see here in the forum where it's being demanded that Pres. Obama cure the Swine Flu.  And you yourselves, wonder why he's called the Messiah.  You demand things of him as though he is Jesus reincarnated and then show anger and derision when he's labelled a saviour.  No doubt if you were on fire and he personally put the fire out and saved you from burning to death, you would find a way to be totally ignorant and ungrateful.  You would likely make it his fault that you got yourself on fire in the first place, even if he was no where in the area at the time. 

What I wanted to say here, was if you think President Obama has been "placed" by the "bildebergers" or whoever, then just remember that this is a slow process - presidents have to be trained up which takes years, so who trained up Pres. Bush?  Who opened the pathway for Mr. Obama to become president if not the same people who placed Bush and every president in the past?  Who made it possible for the CEO's of all these companies to basically steal all this money and get away with it and then cry foul when they don't get a millions of dollars bonus after they've put the companies Americans work for, in the tank?  Not Obama.  Put the blame where it belongs, and then make an effort to help your country get out of the mess.    If the workers need jobs so badly, why didn't they pool their money and buy the car manufacturing companies if they didn't want the government to bail them out?  Sounds like no matter what Obama does, those of you who foster hate, will fan the flames of your own hatred and feel self justification, rather than getting out there and seeing what you can do to help. 

edited for spelling



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Wind on May 01, 2009, 10:22:30 am
Way to go Qoais! You took the words right out of my mouth, ;D  You’re absolutely right, we need to either do something to help solve the problem or stop complaining and cut those who are trying a little slack!



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 01, 2009, 10:33:57 am






QUOTE:



"When we had the bird flu scare, I didn't see anyone posting that President Bush should find the cure for it, but I see here in the forum where it's being demanded that Pres. Obama cure the Swine Flu. "


Q,

the only one to demand something be done about the swine flu, to my knowledge, is Juan Carlos
who asked for a mail in campaign to help Mexico - when the story first broke.

For the rest:

I was of the same exact opinion regarding George W. Bush - Obama is just continuing his policies,
expanding them, in some instances.

Obama is GWB III


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Christa Ewing on May 01, 2009, 11:12:35 am
Right on Qoais!

Bianca, Obama is not continuing Bush's policies, he's put an end to torture, and waterboarding. He supports the Employee Free Choice Act, has signed legislation guaranteeing women the right to sue for equal pay, allowed federal funding for stem cell research and is working on national health care for everyone.

None of that stuff would have happened if nitwits Bush or John McCain would have gotten in there!

Be fair.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on May 01, 2009, 11:30:12 am
There's a division here amongst the membership. Some lend credence to conspiracy theories and some don't and hold to the idealistic vision that the government system works; it's public, external and democratic just like we were taught in middleschool civics class.  Most of these people write off the conspiracy theories without research.  Why? Because if these theories are right, then the people are not in control, the will and interests of the people are not being carried out.  Apparently, this is too painful a thought to even contemplate and so it's better to ignore a bunch of glaring facts about the skull & bones, the trilateral commision and the national security council and hold to the idealistic vision. 

Of course in a short time none of this -whether the agendas are public or secret- is going to matter anyway.  This planet is about to have the s*** knocked out of it, and there's no hole in the crust deep enough ensure a long happy life for anyone. The material paradigm on earth is ending. 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Wind on May 01, 2009, 11:50:03 am
Horus I agree with you, and I’ll be the first to say that I have absolutely no faith in any government on this planet.  The government however is not solely to blame for our problems, we’re the ones who let this happen, we’re the ones who stood idly by and did nothing. We’re throwing all the blame upon one man, when in all reality he’s not even the one in control, he’s just a pawn.
Complaining that it's too cold isn’t going to turn the heat on, someone’s actually going to have to get up and flip a switch!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on May 01, 2009, 12:17:00 pm
Wind, I think that's healthy, trying to heal the damage, so long as the attempt is sincere and not merely a token gesture to appease the masses.  So which is it really? That's the question.  The more cynical conspiracists will likely say its an empty gesture.

There's a difference between "blame" (or finding "fault"), and responsibility.  Responsibility is flipping the heat switch in your analogy.  Blame is pointing fingers and is neither helpful nor constructive, nor does it acknowledge the infinite intelligence of Spirit which brilliantly orchestrates everything in the universe with absolute precision.  This BTW even includes of the events which we may judge and condemn as "bad" like wars and devastating earthchanges.  Certain souls must (and will) experience that karma for their spiritual growth on their way back to the Source.  There's nothing that isn't of God.

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that read "God Bless the Whole World -No Exceptions".  Indeed!  We are all One.  It's the "Law of One", the "unified field" in quantum physics. 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Mishe Vanatta on May 01, 2009, 01:15:11 pm
Quote
Some lend credence to conspiracy theories and some don't and hold to the idealistic vision that the government system works; it's public, external and democratic just like we were taught in middleschool civics class.  Most of these people write off the conspiracy theories without research.  Why? Because if these theories are right, then the people are not in control, the will and interests of the people are not being carried out.


How do you know that people have written off these conspiracy theories without research?  I look into conspiracy theories all the time. Some have more validity than others, but just shouting, "conspiracy" doesn't do it.  You have to have actual evidence to make a conspiracy theory work.  Failing that, you are even more gullible than the people you accuse of the people being so idealistic.

I will say that 90% of the motive of people who work in government is to simply get re-elected, so they end up taking a lot of money from greedy special interests (and, coincidentally, tend to work against the public's best interest as well).  Once you realize that, a lot of the intrigue built up by conspiracy theorists tends to go away.  It's all about money. That's why it is so hard to change things in Washington, the money makers like things the way that they are. There's no conspiracy or mystery involved with that, it seems pretty plain to anyone who is paying attention.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on May 01, 2009, 01:21:38 pm
Quote
Some lend credence to conspiracy theories and some don't and hold to the idealistic vision that the government system works; it's public, external and democratic just like we were taught in middleschool civics class.  Most of these people write off the conspiracy theories without research.  Why? Because if these theories are right, then the people are not in control, the will and interests of the people are not being carried out.


How do you know that people have written off these conspiracy theories without research?  I look into conspiracy theories all the time. Some have more validity than others, but just shouting, "conspiracy" doesn't do it.  You have to have actual evidence to make a conspiracy theory work.  Failing that, you are even more gullible than the people you accuse of the people being so idealistic.

I will say that 90% of the motive of people who work in government is to simply get re-elected, so they end up taking a lot of money from greedy special interests (and, coincidentally, tend to work against the public's best interest as well).  Once you realize that, a lot of the intrigue built up by conspiracy theorists tends to go away.  It's all about money. That's why it is so hard to change things in Washington, the money makers like things the way that they are. There's no conspiracy or mystery involved with that, it seems pretty plain to anyone who is paying attention.

What is your take on the New World Order ??


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on May 01, 2009, 01:33:14 pm

How do you know that people have written off these conspiracy theories without research?  I look into conspiracy theories all the time. Some have more validity than others, but just shouting, "conspiracy" doesn't do it.  You have to have actual evidence to make a conspiracy theory work.  Failing that, you are even more gullible than the people you accuse of the people being so idealistic.

The links are undeniable, factual and obvious enough that even the History Channel has displayed them for all to see.  Discerning their actual secret agenda is what falls more into the realm of speculation. They are, after all, secretive!

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I will say that 90% of the motive of people who work in government is to simply get re-elected, so they end up taking a lot of money from greedy special interests (and, coincidentally, tend to work against the public's best interest as well).  Once you realize that, a lot of the intrigue built up by conspiracy theorists tends to go away.  It's all about money. That's why it is so hard to change things in Washington, the money makers like things the way that they are. There's no conspiracy or mystery involved with that, it seems pretty plain to anyone who is paying attention.

Of course but the flow of money is through the international banking cartels. The "greedy special interests"/ corporate elite and such are members of skull and bones, just as the Bushes, Clintons, and other officials in cabinet, legislators, heads of secret services were. This is not speculative, these are facts.  You don't think money is changing hands amongst old buddies w/ secret handshakes?  ;)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on May 01, 2009, 01:42:56 pm
Films to See.


The Obama Deception

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7535755025025800195


The Money Masters.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936&q=The+money+changers&ei=Zd4QSMjvB47YqAKQtJmzBA


Endgame

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261&q=Endgame+&ei=1t4QSPaoB5q2rAKJzaywBA


Codex Alimentarius

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5800206429960925518


America: Freedom to Fascism

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&q=Freedom+to+Fascism&ei=at8QSJPIL52mrALI99GwBA

Police State 2000

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1551348336255792191&ei=li3YSe2vEInUrQLMhunlAg&q=Police+state+2000

Loose Change Final Cut

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3719259008768610598&ei=3C3YSYvbKIKwrAKQqqzLAQ&q=Loose+Change+Final+Cut

Fabled Enemies

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2144933190875239407&ei=Fi7YSf6sAo6YrQL3rcXcAg&q=Fabled+Enemies

Washington You're Fired

http://vodpod.com/watch/683877-washington-your-fired


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Mishe Vanatta on May 01, 2009, 01:44:14 pm
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The links are undeniable, factual and obvious enough that even the History Channel has displayed them for all to see.  Discerning their actual secret agenda is what falls more into the realm of speculation. They are, after all, secretive!


I have seen these History Channel programs that you're talking about.  They comment on the idea of the conspiracies, but they never come right out and say things like the Trilateral Commission are all that the New World Order people say they are.  In fact, they ran a documentary on 9/11 conspiracies for the sake of debunking them.  Their program on Secret Societies doesn't claim that the theories behind them actually exist, they only show the facts on groups like the Illuminati, which haven't technically been around for hundreds of years, but are still trotted out as a sort of all-purpose boogeyman.

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The "greedy special interests"/ corporate elite and such are members of skull and bones, just as the Bushes, Clintons, and other officials in cabinet, legislators, heads of secret services were. This is not speculative, these are facts.  You don't think money is changing hands amongst old buddies w/ secret handshakes?   


Forget Skull and Bones. It is simply all about greed, it doesn't matter whether people were buddies with one another or not, whether they were in secret societies at all, or anything.  It is simply about money.  The Bushes didn't go to school with the the Saudi royal family and they are as chummy as can be. Being part of a secret society is not a prerequisite!  Only making more money. Once you realize that, you realize that all the intrique built up about all this is needless, and everything else falls into place.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on May 01, 2009, 02:12:30 pm

I have seen these History Channel programs that you're talking about.  They comment on the idea of the conspiracies, but they never come right out and say things like the Trilateral Commission are all that the New World Order people say they are.  In fact, they ran a documentary on 9/11 conspiracies for the sake of debunking them.  Their program on Secret Societies doesn't claim that the theories behind them actually exist, they only show the facts on groups like the Illuminati, which haven't technically been around for hundreds of years, but are still trotted out as a sort of all-purpose boogeyman.

The programs display the links and they present the theories, but a theory is just that -a theory until conclusive evidence transforms it into a scientific fact.  

The illuminati you are speaking of is only one small Bavarian group which may or may not have survived but the patriarchal lodges of the Sun Hierachies -the real Illuminati- go all the way back to ancient Egypt and beyond and are the successsors of the matriarchical lodges of the Moon Hierachies -the Luminari -like the vastly-ancient "Goddess" worshipers, and the survivors of Lemuria in the Pacific.     

There are levels to the illusion of reality.  Personally I view things several levels behind this to what certain soul groups are doing on the earth right now.

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Forget Skull and Bones. It is simply all about greed, it doesn't matter whether people were buddies with one another or not, whether they were in secret societies at all, or anything.  It is simply about money.  The Bushes didn't go to school with the the Saudi royal family and they are as chummy as can be. Being part of a secret society is not a prerequisite!  Only making more money. Once you realize that, you realize that all the intrique built up about all this is needless, and everything else falls into place.

Plenty of the people involved are already rich beyond all dreams.  The issue around such groups is power and control.  Playing toward the greed of others is only a means toward that end of gaining this power and control.  People and even nations can be bought.  The Saudis don't have to be in the inner circle to be manipulated by it.  


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on May 01, 2009, 02:24:50 pm
Volitzer, you have offered videos before in similar discussions but few will take the time out to watch them, or are not interested. I myself simply don't have the time watch every one of them. Do you know whether textual transcripts of them are available? Perhaps presenting pertinent excerpts of the text which highlight important facts would be more effective in explaining the views that you support?  Just a thought.....

Somehow I need to find the same for Legend of Atlantis which is may favorite series that "lays all of the cards on the table".... 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on May 01, 2009, 02:47:38 pm
Look people spend 2-4 hours a week watching movies either in a theater or on TV.

Watch something like the Watchmen then watch Endgame.

Watch the X-Men then watch the Obama Deception.

The key is to open minds when they least expect it.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on May 01, 2009, 03:01:31 pm
Let he without sin, cast the first stone.....LOL
Your right, I probably do need some help on some things..
However, the evidence I present isn't my own.

It's what everyone else presents....
 ;D As for what I beleive, I'm entitled just like you to think what I want.
Here is some love brother....
((((Creeper))))))  Theres a hug buddy.
No pun intended.



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on May 01, 2009, 03:14:39 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KHMEokCMeg

 :D

Fox News?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjI-ZSO9Is0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntEGJ67WoBU


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on May 01, 2009, 03:32:42 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXjHt_mHDVM&feature=player_embedded
 :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDkLR8HbpIc&feature=player_embedded


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 01, 2009, 05:09:46 pm





Horus and HereForNow -

I can't believe that you two have such a fatalistic outlook, especially you, Harry, who are the
father of five young children.

I refuse to believe that my two great-grandaughters - 6 and almost 8 - whose beloved
mommy died suddenly a short month ago, will never even see   


                                                        YOUNG ADULTHOOD


Instead of what you see as signs of a kind of 'end of days', I'd much rather put my faith in
Edgar Cayce's words:






FROM THE LIST OF PROPHECIES THAT CAYCE GAVE WHICH PROVED SUCCESSFUL, HIS PROPHECIES

OF THE FUTURE SHOULD BE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED.

HOWEVER, CAYCE HIMSELF STATED THAT




                               "THE FUTURE IS NOT FIXED AND THAT HUMAN FREE WILL


                                         MAKES VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING POSSIBLE."



For Edgar Cayce's Prophecy See:


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,2174.15.html#lastPost


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on May 01, 2009, 05:54:53 pm

I can't believe that you two have such a fatalistic outlook, especially you, Harry, who are the
father of five young children.

Fatalistic in terms of physical life? Pretty much.  Whether by physical death or transmutation/ascension to the 5D Light Body, the 3D hologram is being folded up, but this is certainly not "THE END".  We are not these meatsack/bio suits that we wear.  When they expire, consciousness continues. 

Of course E.T.s are certainly the X-factor in human survival and some channels have prophesied their help or intervention. And I know a few people who believe that Giza holds a stargate to earth's sister world to where some might escape the destruction happening here.

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Instead of what you see as signs of a kind of 'end of days', I'd much rather put my faith in
Edgar Cayce's words:

FROM THE LIST OF PROPHECIES THAT CAYCE GAVE WHICH PROVED SUCCESSFUL, HIS PROPHECIES

OF THE FUTURE SHOULD BE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED.

HOWEVER, CAYCE HIMSELF STATED THAT


                               "THE FUTURE IS NOT FIXED AND THAT HUMAN FREE WILL MAKES VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING POSSIBLE."


I'm well aware of what Cayce channeled and from whence, but humankinds' free will is not going to override astrophysical and geophysical destiny unless it is collectively united and that is not happening, so this prediction may apply after all:

"As to the changes physical again: The earth will be broken up in the western portion of America. The greater portion of Japan must go into the sea. The upper portion of Europe will be changed as in the twinkling of an eye. Land will appear off the east coast of America.  There will be the upheavals in the Arctic and in the Antarctic that will make for the eruption of volcanos in the Torrid areas, and there will be shifting then of the poles - so that where there has been those of a frigid or the semi-tropical will become the more tropical, and moss and fern will grow. And these will begin in those periods in '58 to '98, when these will be proclaimed as the periods when His light will be seen again in the clouds. As to times, as to seasons, as to places, ALONE is it given to those who have named the name - and who bear the mark of those of His calling and His election in their bodies. To them it shall be given."   3976-15 given 1-19-34

This of course is a parallel of:

"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. " (Rev. 6:12-15)
"The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;"  (Rev 8:7-8)
"And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, [and] so great. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found." (Rev. 16:18,20)

and

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” (Matt. 24: 29-30)
"For the Lord Himself will descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air." (Thessalonians 4:16, 17)
"Behold, He cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see Him." (Revelation 1:7)


Lucky Us! At least life isn't boring!   :)

I've never lent much credence to the Revelation, and I consider nearly all of Cayce's earthchange predictions (there are about 40 and most pertain to the '30s and '40s) as failures but recent events (particularly the eruption precursors at Yellowstone and the Canaries)have me re-evaluating a few of these things.

I don't "know" for certain what is going to happen. All I know is that raising our vibration individually and collectively is our best hope, is what Jesus and Buddha taught re: love and compassion, clears karma, heals wounds, resolves life issues, and so it is the best approach no matter what the outcome. 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on May 01, 2009, 07:17:23 pm
B- I love my kids and I'm not hoping for this to happen. I'm trying to report this in the hopes that people open their eyes to what is happening. So that people unite more.....

The facts about the world are not my facts. This is what the world is saying is going on.
I'm disclosing this because everyone has a right to make a decision about the information they are seeing.
Right or Wrong information, we can't sit back and accept the lies that we all know have been told in all camps on the topic.

I have nothing but respect for you B and I'm sorry that you don't approve of what I'm sayng. I will not say here in this thread any more if thats what you want.
However, I see an emerging pattern and I'm going with what my heart tells me is so.
As for me being a father to 5 young children. How responsible would it be for me to turn my back on what is going on, and not do all I can to preserve them and all children?

Any threat to my kids and all families out there is something I take very seriously. Until I know that everything is going to be OK, I am perched and ready for anything. I will disclose any and all information freely and if I'm wrong, then I can live with knowing that atleast I cared enough to try.





Atleast if people are able to decide whats real for themselves and not have reality decided for them.
What I did, was all worth it...... Bianca I'm sorry if this bothers you but I refuse to accept things at face value without a birdeye veiw to preceive it all from. All sides of the story should be heard. Even the less attractive ones that aren't as easy to hear. It's the only way to give people that same birdeye veiw to behold whatever they decide is the truth for themselves.



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 01, 2009, 07:32:16 pm






Horus and HFN,


I simply cannot accept that the world is going to end in 2012 -


                                                               THAT'S ALL!!!


PROPHECIES  have been wrong before, as a matter of fact - in regard to the 'end of days' -
well that's been going on for almost 2,000 years now, on and off, according to Christianity.

Much as I love Edgar Cayce, I do not share his religious beliefs.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 01, 2009, 07:39:42 pm







And, Harry, all I said to you essentially was that I thought, with having little ones, you'd have a
more optimistic outlook.  As long as I can that's the only way I can approach this.  Children are
too sharp and they would 'sense' that something was wrong, at least mine would.


Quoting myself:

"I can't believe that you two have such a fatalistic outlook, especially you, Harry, who are the
father of five young children."

That's certainly NOT an insult!!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 01, 2009, 07:49:17 pm





Harry, I apologize.


I went back over this and the other page.

YOU are talking politics, my mistake.  In that I agree 100% with you and Vol.

It's the 2011 'stuff' that really bothers me. 

                                                "THE WORLD IS GOING TO END"

No one knows what's going to happen.....


The 'scare tactics' really bother me - just like this recent one of the SWINE FLU....
It's always been used to 'sway the masses', GWB did it big time, through two terms. 
His 'twin' successor is continuing in the same way.  LUCKY US!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on May 01, 2009, 08:06:16 pm

I simply cannot accept that the world is going to end in 2012 -


Do you believe that ANY earth changes are going to occur between now and 2012? Asian Tsunami, Katrina, and that's all?

I don't believe in "end" btw, I believe in "change".

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PROPHECIES have been wrong before, as a matter of fact - in regard to the 'end of days' -
well that's been going on for almost 2,000 years now, on and off, according to Christianity.

That's undeniable and it's longer than that.  A website that tracks most of those failed predictions is called "A Brief History of the Apocalypse":

http://www.abhota.info/end4.htm

Here's a typical example from the '90s:

Mar 31, 1998 - Hon-Ming Chen, leader of the Taiwanese cult God's Salvation Church, or Chen Tao - "The True Way" - claimed that God would come to Earth in a flying saucer at 10:00 am on this date. Moreover, God would have the same physical appearance as Chen himself. On March 25, God was to appear on Channel 18 on every TV set in the US. Chen chose to base his cult in Garland, Texas, because he thought it sounded like "God's Land." (Shermer p.204, McIver #2199)  

Such has fostered the "Boy Who Cried Wolf Syndrome."  Because so many hoaxes and failures have occurred, any clear signs, portents, or even scientific evidence of impending catastrophe is ignored or even ridiculed by many people who steadfastly deny that anything is going to happen or ever will.  


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 01, 2009, 08:46:10 pm





QUOTE:


Such has fostered the "Boy Who Cried Wolf Syndrome."



The Pope laments that Europeans have lost their faith and blames all sorts of reasons for it.
Fact is, 2000 years of 'fire and brimstone' gets kind of tiresome.....

I think the 'fear factor' was really invented by religion.  

The Abramic religions took it to unbelievable heights

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



"Do you believe that ANY earth changes are going to occur between now and 2012?"


Horus,

It's my belief that Mother Earth is a LIVING organism, in the true sense of the word.   And we have
been POLLUTING her mercilessly.  Let alone overburdening her with overpopulation.

I have been telling my children for years that she is going to 'get fed up with us' and shake us off
herself 'like a dog coming out of a bath/swim' - and SHE will.

We've been seeing all kinds of natural disasters since recorded time.  Why would the next three years
be any different?

I have 'seen' the tzunami and the recent great earthquake in China before they occurred.  Nothing
for a while, but it's my guess that the PACIFIC RIM is in more trouble than we think.

Not that the rest of the world is safer.  In my uneducated way, I feel that once these earthquakes
amd eruptions start, it is a chain-reaction - Italy just had a taste of it.  Mt. Etna has been constantly watched for  years, so has Mt. Vesuvius.  Etna spews constantly and Mt. Vesuvius could erupt any
time.

Hurricanes, I feel, go by cycles.  etc. etc.

There is one little glimmer of hope.  Not too long ago, maybe a week, I posted an article from
Washington state.  It seems that shopkeepers are 'pulling their hair out' because people are not
only 'recycling', but are not buying new 'stuff' because of the economy.  They are getting things
- horror! - mended and fixed, just like in the 'good old days'.  That gives some poor soul a way of
making a living and stops the pollution, even if a teeny, tiny bit.

It may be 'too little, too late' but, hey, every little bit helps.

Personally, I abhor the intimation that whatever the future brings is because of a "Vengeful God".


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on May 01, 2009, 09:03:37 pm
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Personally, I abhor the intimation that whatever the future brings is because of a "Vengeful God".

I agree Bianca.  As you know, I've spouted off before about how Christians apply human characteristics to God.  God loves all of his creatures equally - therefore- he is not jealous, he does not get angry and therefore is not vengeful.  He does not use blackmail to make us love him, he does not threaten if we do not love him.  If, when this world was created, it had a lifetime to live, then perhaps it's lifetime is coming to an end.  Whether we infect this earth or not, it just MAY be that earth has finished her course.  As Horus says, what is there to fear in dying when we know the "I" that is within, continues to exist, and hopefully, goes on to a better life?  Perhaps it is easier, when you think of children, to ask yourself what would you rather - for the children?  Would you rather they live in this filthy mess we call life on earth or would you rather they live in glory with Our Father Who Art in Heaven?  I'm not sure just exactly what spiritualists believe in, but as an independant (!) I like to believe in an ultimate Creator and in the notion that when we our bodies die, our ultra-self carries on in a more glorious condition.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 01, 2009, 09:16:35 pm





Q,


Spiritualists come in all beliefs.

This is not a time for me to talk about life and death.  My only grandchild just died a month ago.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on May 01, 2009, 09:20:11 pm
I am most sorry for your loss Bianca.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 01, 2009, 09:23:35 pm




Thank you, Q.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on May 01, 2009, 09:49:38 pm
I'm very sorry for your loss, Bianca.  I buried my beloved grandmother who raised me last month as well.

I agree with all that you have just written. 

What I am internally debating is the difference between fear, and prudence....
I certainly don't wish to be cast as a "chicken little" spreading panic so when is it right to speak out and warn somebody? 
I don't trust the gov't or the gov't controlled media to do it.  I was astonished that the History Channel documentary on Yellowstone said what it did at the very end of what was (up to that point) a rather droll science show: "The park has interesting rocks yada yad yada and oh, by the way, as of early 2009 earthquakes here have increased by 500% and this supervolcano shows every sign of erupting again very soon with the strength of 100K Hiroshimas ejecting ash into the stratosphere that will blanket the earth and kill all vegetation on the surface."   :o <choke!>  "What!?!?"

Then again, cosmic cycles are out of our control and it doesn't do anyone any good to worry about this stuff or waste time fearing death in general.  I realize that many don't understand or view death the way that I do (as a "door") and so these things can be even scarier. I should probably confine such thoughts to the earth changes section.... 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Wind on May 01, 2009, 10:27:41 pm
Bianca I would like to express my condolences for your loss, and I want you to know that you’re in my thoughts.


As for 2012 it doesn’t have to be negative event.  I have always believed that we create our own reality, and I’m sure not going to create this end game scenario that everyone seems to be obsessed with.   The future still holds so many possibilities, as long as we stay strong and believe then all hope is not lost.

Wind


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on May 01, 2009, 11:34:40 pm
I did not mean to bring all of this up in your time of loss and I'm so sorry to you as well Bianca.
I didn't mean to sound so insensitive.
The reason I am following up on the 2012 event so much is because it's about an end giving way to a beginning. However, 6,000,000,000 or more people out there have no idea about any of this stuff.
I mean if I'm wrong, then I will rejoice more then anyone else I know personally at the moment.
However, if I'm right- I want to save any many as I can by informing them of what we are or aren't being told.


((((Bianca)))))

Again my friend, I am so sorry.
I love you hun.

I just hope you can understand that what I do is about my love for humanity.
Tried and true, I know survival and hardship. I know happiness, and peace.
How many others out there that you know have survived the streets, homelessness, hunger and poverty?
I have done it and I came out of it loving people, and all of creation.
 :-[ I can't let those people that are left with nothing suffer more then they will if the worst happens.



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 02, 2009, 07:19:25 am





Thank you, my dear friends, for your kind feelings.  I am  really having a hard time with this, in spite
of my all my beliefs in the survival of the soul, reincarnation, etc. etc.


Horus:

"I buried my beloved grandmother who raised me last month as well."


Then, Horus, you probably understand my bond with my Tiffany.  I raised her from the day she came
home from the hospital.  There was a deeper bond than with my own children.  She was my only grand
child and truly, 'the light of my life'.  She was only 25 and it was so sudden that we are all just
'a little crazy' in this family, especially her husband.  There are two little kids that she left us and just
the prospect of losing them too, at this time, makes me even crazier....

Dr. Khubler-Ross (sp?) was sure right.  I have been running away from reality since it happened, posting
away pretty well 24/7 to keep my mind occupied.  Now, suddenly, I am starting to face reality here in
this thread.....thank you all for helping.



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on May 02, 2009, 10:18:56 am
Hi Bianca,

I watched the film "What Dreams May Come" recently. That seemed to help.

Blessings,
H


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 02, 2009, 11:57:10 am


Thank you, Horus!

I don't have a movie rental store near anymore and I don't drive.

I googled the title and wiki said it was from a novel:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f0/RichardMatheson_WhatDreamsMayCome.jpg/200px-RichardMatheson_WhatDreamsMayCome.jpg)

So, I went to Amazon and, yes, they do have it.  I much prefer reading the original
story than seeing the movie.  The movies always disappoint, save probably for 'Gone
With The Wind' and "Auntie Mame" (both versions).

From the wiki analysis of both movie and novel, it seems to be the best choice.  I will get the movie
or see it when the occasion arises.  My imagination will do the rest and it will be a great addition to
my Spiritualist collection of books.

Thanks again, Horus and
blessings!

Bianca



P.S.


According to Amazon's Rewiewers, I made the right choice. 
There are 130+ reviews.
Here's the link if you'd care to read them:


http://www.amazon.com/What-Dreams-May-Come-Novel/product-reviews/0765308703/ref=sr_1_1_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1


Here's one of the  best:


By  Kylopod (Baltimore, MD) - See all my reviews

This review is from: What Dreams May Come: A Novel (Mass Market Paperback)
This novel is the most vivid, complex, and surprisingly convincing depiction of afterlife I have ever encountered in a work of fiction. Nothing else I have seen on the subject, in literature or in film, comes close--certainly not the 1998 film. Before I read the novel, I had no idea that a story about Heaven and Hell could have such a profound effect on me.

In the metaphysics of the film and the book, dying involves shedding your physical body and entering a mental environment shaped by thoughts. Your fate in such an environment is largely self-imposed. That much of the movie intrigued me, the first time I saw it. The problem was the schmaltz. I mean real schmaltz, piled on in large mounds, in place of strong narrative.

It's hard for me to convey just how very different the novel is. Of course there are major differences in the plot. One such difference is the ending. (Even Roger Ebert, who heaped high praise on the film, was disappointed by the ending.) Another is the beginning, where the film adds Chris's children to the list of characters who die and go to Heaven. In doing this, the movie (1) makes the early scenes so depressing they become surreal (2) needlessly clutters the story with extra characters (3) introduces a silly and confusing subplot about Chris's attempts to find his children, who are in disguise.

In the book, Chris's children are adults, not youngsters, and they're minor characters who never die in the course of the story. The details of Chris's life on Earth differ so greatly between the book and the film that it's like reading about a completely different person. Even though I saw the movie first, the image of Robin Williams completely vanished from my mind as I read, because he was so unlike the character described in the book.

The entire feel of the book is different, telling a touching love story that uses real characterization, not cheap manipulation, to move the audience. And Matheson's vision of the afterlife truly comes alive on the page. The Hell scenes are actually terrifying, reminding us, as the movie does not, why Matheson is primarily famous as a horror writer.

I won't overlook the movie's gorgeous visual effects, which earned the film a well-deserved Academy Award. They just aren't put to good purpose. The movie's vision of the afterlife as like being inside giant paintings fails to evoke a sense of reality. The book, in contrast, bases its afterlife imagery (vividly brought to life by Matheson's skillful prose) much more on Earth-like scenery. This approach ironically leads to far more exotic ideas, such as architects who build things using their minds, and a library containing history books more objective than those on Earth.

One of Matheson's unique qualities as a fantasy writer has always been his almost scientific approach to the supernatural. Here, Matheson makes Heaven and Hell seem like a scientific, natural process, and one of the joys of the book is discerning all the intricate "rules" of how everything works. (That's another area where the movie falls short.) What needs to be kept in mind, however, is that Matheson doesn't do this just for entertainment purposes. In the novel's introduction, he tells his readers that the characters are the only fictional component of the novel, and that almost everything else is based on research. The book even includes a lengthy bibliography. Thus, the afterlife that Matheson describes isn't some fantasy world he concocted from his own head, but something he believes to be an accurate description of reality.

Some people may wonder, at this point, about Matheson's religious background. He was raised a Christian Scientist, but gradually developed what he calls his own religion, taking elements from many sources. One of the book's main influences, I believe, is eighteenth-century Christian mystic Emanuel Swedenborg.

From what I've seen, people react negatively to this book based on how far it departs from their personal beliefs. Christians complain about the absence of Jesus, while those who don't believe in any afterlife consider the story too nonsensical to accept. Most readers, it seems, are put off by the New Age terminology and concepts scattered throughout the book.

These reactions are puzzling, if you stop to think about it. Books about elves, fairies, dragons, and wizards remain popular even though nobody believes in any of those things. Why should people be bothered by a fiction book portraying a Heaven and Hell that conflicts with what they believe? The book is perfectly enjoyable whether or not you accept Matheson's metaphysics.

Of course, I personally do think Matheson provides insight into the subject--though I admit I'm a little wary of his acceptance of paranormal phenomena. But it amazes me how so many people refuse to even touch the book, thinking that any story with such a plot must automatically be hokey. In most cases, they'd be right. "What Dreams May Come" is a big exception. It suggests the endless possibilities in a subject that normally is dead weight for fiction. And it really makes you think.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on May 02, 2009, 02:30:37 pm
Whoa! "Kylopod" really blistered the film w/ a lot of over-intellectual negative criticism!  Everyone I know loves this film and how it ended. Oh welllllll Different strokes for different folks. 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Wind on May 02, 2009, 05:26:59 pm
From what I’ve learned Horus the critics are usually full of it ;)  What dreams may come was one of the best movies that I have ever seen, it is very emotional, so have a box of Kleenexes on hand Bianca, it is worth the tears though.

Wind


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 02, 2009, 05:55:48 pm









Wind,

Being a Spiritualist, I have a lot of books on the subject, only they are not fiction.  Some of them
are truly 'gut-wrenching'.  It's a good thing that the medium seldom remembers the content of
what they say.  Speaking for myself, every time I have had an 'encounter', the 'suspended
animation' (my term for it) lasts for a while.  It is afterwards that I 'start shaking in my boots'.....

Fortunately, there is nothing more rewarding than the joy one causes when a relative hears from
a loved one.  One word of caution about mediums - beware of charlatans, there are plenty out
there.  MEDIUM = CHANNELER.

From the description of the book, I am most interested in the more spiritual content which a lot
of the commenters were most fascinated by.  I am truly looking forward to reading it.





(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/d6/dd/749feb6709a0783fcdd42110.L._AA240_.jpg)

If anybody is interested in this subject, a good book to start with is 'The Airmen Who Would Not
Die', by John G. Fuller, also author of 'Incident at Exter', 'The Ghost of Flight 401',  'The Day Of
St. Anthony's Fire' and 'We Almost Lost Detroit', to name a few.

Amazon has it quite cheap.   
It's been out of print for a while


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 03, 2009, 10:50:43 am






Fact is, my friends....

Even though as a Spiritualist I believe in the survival of the soul and reincarnation
- BTW, my grandaughter literally helped me through the first three days - the pain
and grief are still very potent and, at times, overwhelming......


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on May 03, 2009, 11:54:33 am

Fact is, my friends....

Even though as a Spiritualist I believe in the survival of the soul and reincarnation
- BTW, my grandaughter literally helped me through the first three days - the pain
and grief are still very potent and, at times, overwhelming......

I agree - an intellectual understanding of the soul can only ease the process a little bit.  Grieving or mourning is natural, healthy, and crying is a very good cathartic release of stored emotional energy.  This is why I recommended the movie, for as Wind noted, it has tear-inducing qualities that may help the process along.  My clients (and I as well) feel "lighter" and better after discharging in this way and it can be done all at once if the intensity of the thoughts and feelings are raised.  However, in most cases (w/o some kind of process facilitation) it just takes time.
A close childhood friend of mine was murdered in 1998, and it took more than a year for me to get over it.  



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on May 03, 2009, 04:43:25 pm
The last 4 minutes of this video are the most interesting statements I have ever heard from any political leader.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzaLP9dTXhE&feature=player_embedded


I never imagined that Ron Paul was the patriot that this video discloses he is.
Funnier yet. This video was "WAS" banned.
I posted it because it explains alot of what I feel personally about the truth in anything.

JFK, Martin King, and a few others to mention are in this video as well.
I received this via E-mail and had to show all of you this because it represents the difference of what America was to what it's become.

I love this nation for what it was at one time. It's beauty, what it meant to the world of old, and all of it's potential. However, the very financial systems that we once avoided are now our debt.
The liberties we once represented are now threatened.
The freedom this nation once stood for, is now oppressing the world with policies written by the Bush admin.

 :-\ Sure it's not a positive message to understand. However, no one is this forum or the world can say this is not true. People, I'm not asking anyone here or anywhere else to pursue this to the level that I do.
I'm just asking everyone to open their mind to the possiblities that we are facing. We are being lied to.

We are being lied to and forced to beleive what they tell us and blindly we follow.
I wish that was an opinion of my own, yet it's not!
Because in spirit we are all connected, I know that somewhere in all of you is that little voice.
The bells and whistles going off inside each of you when stuff like this is said is the very reason it's important to free your minds.

If you all love humanity and all life in general, you must stop ignoring what your heart is saying.
America is not free anymore. We all are facing a global threat because of policy inforced by New World Order?
All I'm asking is that you all take a moment to think again. If nothing happens I will be the happiest FOOL ever and accepts the title with pleasure. However, if the NWO agenda takes effect, please understand that we are as much to blame for that because we chose to ignore the warning signs.
We made it happen through our own fear!



That is the truth as I know it and see it.
As unpleasent as it seems to hear it, we must face it sooner or later. I for one can't just sit here and force myself to simply ignore this. Spiritually, I must know if this is a precursor to the signs given in the Bible and all world religions about the Revelation. (Reveal)

People should be prepared instead of waiting until it happens and then seeing it.
I know a few of you will disagree with me and I'm expecting that. However I am compelled to follow up on this because in spirit, I do love all life and I want it to continue on. I have talked to most of you for years now and I'm sure you all know that is not like me to just blurt something like this out.

However, I am but one person calling out to you all to atleast research what is really happening.
We are soon going to be facing a change in the world that none of us a few years ago would have even imagined. I refuse to silence myself about this and regaurdless of consequence, FREE WILL is GOD'S gift to humanity. I will not let that gift of God to me, be taken.

Again, I am not expecting you all to feel as I do. I just think that this is something that will one day be a part of history and that you all should at the very least be informed of where this world as a whole is going. I am not alone in how I feel and if their is anyone else here that feels that way. You have only right now to decide your own fate. One chance...

I will not post more on this in this thread out of respect for those who don't want to hear it.
However, I will be ready to discuss this and much more in my own threads here in this forum if some of you wish to talk more on this subject. I really do sincerely care for each and every singal one of you and this is why I say this to you now. If I didn't feel anything deep down about this, I wouldn't have posted this. Yet I do.

I too have been seeing things that I really can't explain. Feelings and mental images and this is daily.
I wish I could just blurt it all out and tell you all what I'm seeing but it moves us away from the point of this one particular post. I'm affraid for those who will not open their hearts and minds......
However it is up to all of you to decide for yourselves to do so.

I'm just trying to explain that we do have a choice right now, and right now might be the only chance we get to make that difference in our own lives. Don't let someone who doesn't care about you decide your fate for you. Take matters into your own hands and learn all you can now while you still can.
This year alone there is so many things that will soon be made obvious for all eyes to see.
Don't miss this chance to stay ahead of the curve and be enlightened by what you find.

Sincerely Harry Retzer Jr.
Namasta


I am seeking a way to enlighten myself past my own fears to only love even the things I fear by confronting them and learning from them to move beyond this state of being.
I don't mean to scare or promote fear. I am trying to encouraging you all to second guess all of what your affraid of.....
2 basic emotions that make all the other emotions within us.

Fear-Love                     

Now that you see them side by side, pick one.........
 Your choice is what you manifest.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on May 03, 2009, 05:16:04 pm

Fact is, my friends....

Even though as a Spiritualist I believe in the survival of the soul and reincarnation
- BTW, my grandaughter literally helped me through the first three days - the pain
and grief are still very potent and, at times, overwhelming......

I agree - an intellectual understanding of the soul can only ease the process a little bit.  Grieving or mourning is natural, healthy, and crying is a very good cathartic release of stored emotional energy.  This is why I recommended the movie, for as Wind noted, it has tear-inducing qualities that may help the process along.  My clients (and I as well) feel "lighter" and better after discharging in this way and it can be done all at once if the intensity of the thoughts and feelings are raised.  However, in most cases (w/o some kind of process facilitation) it just takes time.
A close childhood friend of mine was murdered in 1998, and it took more than a year for me to get over it.  



I lost a friend of mine as well just last year to suicide and I still can't think about it without it upsetting me. However, I have to agree that mourning for lost loved ones is good. It is a matter of heart vs. thought. As for my dear friend, I will never forget him. I just wish someone would have reached him in time.



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on May 04, 2009, 12:04:04 am
Looking back through all of history, at no time was there so much fear of everything.
As time went on more and more people begin to appear. More and more emotion changing everything.
If we eliminate the fear factor from ourselves, I am certain that love will heal the Earth and all things.





Thank you light workers for telling me.
Message sent.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 04, 2009, 08:22:37 am






THANK YOU, EVERYONE,

for your support and help.  I did not intend to derail the thread, it just came out.....

I love you, dear friends!

Blessings and hugs,


Bianca



-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



QUOTE (myself - post #79)




"The 'scare tactics' really bother me - just like this recent one of the SWINE FLU....
It's always been used to 'sway the masses', GWB did it big time, through two terms. 
His 'twin' successor is continuing in the same way. 

LUCKY US!"


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on May 04, 2009, 08:33:09 am
How can you connect the swine flu with Obama?  The doctors and scientists are the ones that make it public to the media.  Obama is as much at risk of getting the flu as anyone else.  This is not a scare "tactic".  It's information put out there so people will take more precautionary measures - like washing their hands more often. 

Scare tactics are when the president says more troops need to be sent to war because some other country has weapons of mass destruction - when there aren't any.

 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 04, 2009, 09:41:46 am









                                               The Great Bank Robbery of 2009







by Brent Budowsky     
www.opednews.com
 
 This week America witnessed Black Thursday for workers and families as the Senate defeated a bankruptcy bill that would have protected distressed homeowners and the House passed a bill that encourages and guarantees banks will continue abuses the bill pretends to remedy for a full year.

Politically and financially, Americans will look back on these years, and judge what happens when a Democratic president and Democratic Congress use the government as an instrument of reform, change and problem-solving. To state my conclusion at the outset, I do not believe Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has carried this mantle well and what I see in current policy is little more than a gigantic transfer of wealth from taxpayers to banks, which is being abused and misused by most banks.

It will be a disaster if this becomes the historic, political and financial legacy of Democrats using government to solve problems, and I believe it is essential for Democrats and progressives to join a great debate on the side of workers and families and against the abuses that are front-page news and continue every hour of every day.

It is outrageous that banks take trillions of dollars of taxpayer money for the purpose of lending to Americans while they raise credit card rates, turn fixed rates to variable rates that guarantee huge additional rate increases when the Fed resumes raising its rates, while they raise banks fees, cut customer lines, and increase foreclosures when trillions of dollars were spent for them to do exactly the opposite.



On Black Thursday the Democratic House (many of whose members take enormous sums of money from banks, as do Republicans) passed a bill to allegedly protect consumers that will not take effect for at least a year. This means the House supports continuing every abusive action the bill claims to oppose for one full year, at least, in a stunning triumph for the banking lobby.

It is time to break ranks with an almost universal Washington consensus about how business is done in this town, a consensus that is leading our country to financial disaster.

My “epiphany” came when I glanced at the recent campaign finance report of Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.), which shows a stunning lack of support from home-state donors and a deluge of donations from companies doing business with his Senate Banking Committee.

Dodd is a good man in a corrupted system. Both parties profit from this crisis through massive campaign donations. Those who manage troubled institutions profit from it through massive bonuses and compensation.

While Wall Street pay is quickly moving back to bubble levels, the system of speculation for compensation (which creates perpetual bubbles) remains intact. Campaign money still flows like a mighty river in a legalized pay-for-play system that corrupts our financial and political systems alike.

The source of public anger is this: The core policy is fundamentally a multi-trillion-dollar transfer of money from taxpayers to banks, which borrow money from taxpayers at low interest, punish taxpayers by charging them higher interest and pay themselves a king's ransom for doing it.

The president speaks of transparency and accountability, but: Does anybody know exactly how much money the various government agencies have spent rescuing banks that still refuse to lend? Four trillion dollars? Seven trillion? Ten trillion?

What, exactly, have taxpayers received in return? These monies were provided to increase lending, but net lending is down.

When banks receive trillions of dollars to increase lending, they insult the intelligence of taxpayers and the integrity of government by increasing credit card interest rates, increasing bank fees, lowering credit limits, increasing home foreclosures and lowering net lending. Where's the accountability?

Meanwhile, Obama and McCain received huge amounts of money from banks, Wall Street firms, hedge funds and mortgage companies while congressional fundraisers continue ad nauseam.

While money is doled out to banks by Congress, money is doled out to Congress by banks.

It is a direct attack against economic recovery, a direct attack against economic stimulus and a direct attack against economic growth for interest rates to be hiked, credit limits to be cut, bank fees to be raised and lending to be lowered.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 04, 2009, 09:44:11 am







Have they no shame?



Taxpayers pay for the bailout, subsidize the lobbying, underwrite the campaign donations. Then they are taxed by banks through fees and rates that work as regressive taxes. They will be taxed again to pay for the deficit. They will be taxed again when the value of their money declines from the inflation these trillions of dollars will inevitably cause.

Does anybody understand exactly what the Federal Reserve money is used for, exactly who received it, exactly what taxpayers receive in return and exactly how much money has been spent?





Where's the transparency?



Can anyone justify the number of senior Treasury jobs that remain unfilled, or the pay-for-play schemes surrounding state pension funds?

Everyone should read the lengthy story in Monday's New York Times about the career of Mr. Geithner. Did he do his job well, or disastrously, at the New York Fed when he failed to regulate the firms while they were causing this crisis?

Mr. Geithner is without doubt a great power-networker, who spent much time at the N.Y. Fed in endless networking events with the financial powerbrokers who were creating the crisis that Geithner was failing to prevent.

Geithner was not reforming the system, protecting the customers or opposing the abuses that endanger our national solvency. He was cultivating the support of financial powerbrokers who were, and remain, his true constituency.

What does it tell credit card CEOs that the president's chief economic adviser falls asleep at a meeting where he should have been defending taxpayers and consumers like a lion?

The Republicans have virtually nothing to offer except hoping the president fails without serious ideas of their own. The Party of No has earned its 21 percent approval rating. But, as a matter of conscience and concern for my party and my country, I must break ranks.

What is happening is wrong. A whole generation will pay the price for what we do today. The cost will be enormous and incalculable. Both parties owe the next generation far better than either party offers today.

No bank should ever be too big to fail. Instead of taxpayers subsidizing mergers, regulators and legislators should break up any bank so large that its failure endangers the nation as a whole.

It is inexcusable and shameful for even a Democratic House to pass a bill to allegedly combat abuses against citizens, and make that bill effective a full year later, which means all of those abuses will continue for least 12 more months. To call this a consumer protection bill is an abuse of language and a fraud against consumers and voters who do not want these abuses continuing for another year, and supported by Democrats as well as Republicans in Congress for another year.

Banks given trillions of dollars to lend should lend. Those of either party who tolerate these abuses are betraying the largest financial trust ever given to public officials in the history of the nation, the world or any generation.



http://pundits.thehill.com/author/brent-budowsky/


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 04, 2009, 09:52:28 am







                          Flu Scare - The ADHD Administration never wastes a good crisis






NewHampster -
Posted on 01 May 2009

We are the ADHD electorate that keeps getting played and distracted by the masters of distraction.



To paraphrase the President's Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel:

                                                 "Never waste a good crisis".



Now I don't think they started this flu epidemic, nor do they control the WHO, but they do control the media that is trying so hard to over play this seemingly mild flu.  The timing was so good that my distrusting mind does wonder if they did have a hand in releasing the bug in Mexico.

Here we have his Oliness speaking out of both sides of his mouth and getting all tongue tied when TOTUS went to fast.  He was trapped between a rock and a hard place, smack dab in the middle of the Torture episode.  Yeah. Remember that torture thing that was all over the news just before Swine Flu pushed it to page 3?

Somehow this crew running our country, always finds or constructs a good crisis to distract us when the news is not going their way.  We saw Hillary's NH win become the discussions of the Bradley Effect and rotten polling while the media ignored the fact that a woman won a major primary for the first time.  Like flipping off Hillary the day after a good debate for her.  It pissed us off, pissed off the bots because we made a big deal of it and completely distracted us and the media from his crappy performance in the debate.

The examples are numerous and well documented elsewhere.  Obama messes up or there is something they want taken out of the news, then bingo we have a crisis.  Heck, I think Joe Biden is VP just so he can keep putting his foot in his mouth and disctracting the press from real issues.

My only real problem here, speaking as a true ADHD speedster, is I have no idea how the sane among us can counter this.  They are really good at what they do.  Rahm and crew make Danny Ocean look like an amateur.  They conned their way into power and will continiue to con their way into another 4 years of lining their wall street friends wallets.  But how and why does all this help the bama boyz club? 

Prediction. 

Rahm Emauel is CEO of Bank of America in approximately 9 years.



http://www.partizane.com/node/1076


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 19, 2009, 09:17:08 pm







                         'Obama as Christ' Painter Is Back...and Misses Press Bias Point






By P.J. Gladnick
NewsBusters
May 19, 2009 

The painter who created the controversial "Obama as Christ" painting is back. Artist Michael D'Antuono, who apologized for offending people and withdrew his original painting, titled "The Truth," from a scheduled NYC showing on President Obama's 100th day in office, has just unveiled a new Obama painting (larger version below the fold). However, D'Antuono was a bit disingenuous in the explanation of his surprise that people were offended by his first Obama painting as you can see in this press release:

Artist Michael D'Antuono Responds To 'Truth' Critics With Second Obama Painting

NEW YORK, May 18 /PRNewswire/ -- Michael D'Antuono, the artist who gained notoriety as the creator of "The Truth", the highly controversial painting depicting President Obama in a crucifixion-like pose, has created a new work in an effort to remake his original political statement without the use of religious symbolism. 

The new work, appropriately titled "...what I meant was..." is a response to the thousands of people who decried his work as blasphemy. "Unfortunately, too many people were unable to see beyond the religious symbolism of the first painting to be able to appreciate the political statement I was trying to make," says D'Antuono. 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 19, 2009, 09:19:08 pm
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h219/pjcomix/blog/obama_press.jpg)








Oh please, Michael. You produce a painting depicting Obama with outstretched arms and wearing a crown of thorns and didn't expect much of a reaction from that? A little hard to ponder political meanings when that religious imagery was overwhelming the viewer. But back to his press release plugging his new Obama painting:

The new painting, to be released on May 18, 2009, portrays President Obama at a press conference. The reporters are wearing 3-D movie glasses with the color of their lenses representing their respective political views. The message the artist is sending with his new piece is clear. He is deeply troubled by the current condition of the fourth estate.

"The media views events through their partisan lenses and then spins the news for the purpose of advancing their own political agenda. The end result is a country that is passionately divided," says D'Antuono. With his latest painting, he is challenging the media to be less partisan in its reporting and the viewer to be more discerning between fact and opinion.

D'Antuono's painting "The Truth" gained international attention on television, radio and especially the internet. It became the most emailed photo on Yahoo! and wound up on Wikipedia until an offended party had it removed. The artist feels that his point was proven by the diverse reaction to the piece and by the divisive nature in which both the right and left wing media covered "The Truth" in an effort to provoke and mobilize their respective audiences


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 19, 2009, 09:22:42 pm








What do you think?



What do I think? I think you completely missed the press bias point in your painting. First of all, you portray the red and blue lense folks at an Obama press conference in about equal porportions. In reality there would be maybe one or at the most two members of the press wearing red lenses and the rest of the room would be decked out in blue lenses. Also the folks wearing blue lenses would be not just outright leftwingers like Helen Thomas, Keith Olbermann, or Rachel Maddow as your painting depicts. It would be much more accurate if folks laughingly attempting to pass themselves off as neutral, such as Matt Lauer, Brian Williams, or Katie Couric were in that press room wearing blue lenses.

Therefore I am issuing a challenge to anyone (including even Mr. D'Antuono) to produce a more accurate painting depicting press bias that I have suggested with "neutral" journalists wearing blue lenses and with the correct ratio of blue vs red lenses that is allowed into an Obama press conference.

If someone can produce such a painting in the Michael D'Antuono style, I will even feature it in this blog posting as an update. Just post on it the web and provide me with the link for analysis and judgement.

p.s. Is that El Rushbo scratching his head?



—P.J. Gladnick is a freelance writer and creator of
the DUmmie FUnnies blog.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on May 20, 2009, 10:52:44 am
All left wing and right wing media is controlled by the CFR.

Only libertarian media isn't.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: zachariah on May 25, 2009, 12:14:52 am



One good thing came out of it, Horus, at least for me.

A life-long love for the

                                                         GREATEST GENERATION. 

and the 

                                                               UNITED STATES

Maybe, someday, I'll go into particulars - not now.  Too emotional.


I made up my mind to live in America, someday.  And I achieved my dream in 1970.

Make no mistake, I love the country of my birth (see ITALY & MAGNA GRAECIA).   

I love the  United States of America equally.
[/quote]

I felt this about you Bianca, I knew there was something you had experienced that gave you this incredible insight into Obama and what we are facing.

I wish they would listen to you.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Nemesis on May 25, 2009, 04:04:48 am
Why, because she shares your point of view? 

Zachariah, you are a lifelong Republican and a Bush/McCain/Palin supporter.  Even the most biased Obama hater would have to admit that he is more qualified (and doing a better job) than any of those bozos would, or has done.

That's not to say he is perfect, but he is at least doing a better job than those dogmeat candidates that you keep propping up.

In other words, while you are


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on May 25, 2009, 07:33:36 am
Perhaps but I will say this on Ron Pauls behalf. He is atleast willing to acknowledge the way we are all being screwed by the Federal Reserve and is taking action. Obama, is more of a "yes" man and will do what he is told. Ofcourse I am not democratic, republican, or liberal. I don't support any political party now-a-days.

Freedom is either death or no government. Unless we get rid of the monitary exchange, these is the only freedoms we are going to know. Now, back to work slaves! We have to make our masters rich, and stop speaking so ill-willed of them or they will have to punish us.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on May 25, 2009, 08:54:35 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvsADU2OOWM&feature=player_embedded
 :)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: zachariah on May 25, 2009, 10:47:54 am
Why, because she shares your point of view? 

Zachariah, you are a lifelong Republican and a Bush/McCain/Palin supporter.  Even the most biased Obama hater would have to admit that he is more qualified (and doing a better job) than any of those bozos would, or has done.

That's not to say he is perfect, but he is at least doing a better job than those dogmeat candidates that you keep propping up.

In other words, while you are

You are blind, none of it is in your best interest, but being wrong is hard for a person to swallow, so they turn a blind eye, time will tell,

I am surprised Bianca even post on this forum.

and yes i was surprised that she and I held the same views,

But while TPTB keep us fighting with oneanother over whos the better man, while in the meantime they destroy a whole country,

you are the TOOL.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: zachariah on May 25, 2009, 11:00:36 am
We were told that "The One" would heal the planet!

World Leaders Defy Obama? We were told that "The One" would heal the planet!
Netanyahu defies Obama

    JERUSALEM, May 24 (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday rebuffed U.S. calls for a full settlement freeze in the occupied West Bank and vowed not to accept limits on building of Jewish enclaves within Jerusalem.



Iran's Ahmadinejad rejects Western nuclear proposal

    TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad rejected on Monday a "freeze-for-freeze" proposal put forward by the West in a bid to resolve a row over the Islamic Republic's nuclear aims.

    "Our talks (with major powers) will only be in the framework of cooperation for managing global issues and nothing else. We have clearly announced this," he said when asked about the so-called "freeze-for-freeze" proposal.

    "The nuclear issue is a finished issue for us," Ahmadinejad told a news conference.



British banks revolt against Obama tax plan

    British banks and stockbrokers may refuse to take on American clients if new international tax proposals outlined by President Obama are passed. ...

    Andy Thompson of Association of Private Client Investment Managers and Stockbrokers (APCIMS) said: "The cost and administration of the US tax regime is causing UK investment firms to consider disinvesting in US shares on behalf of their clients. This is not right and emphasises that the administration of a tax regime on a global scale without any flexibility damages the very economy it is trying to protect."



North Korea tests nuke

    SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - North Korea claimed it carried out a powerful underground nuclear test Monday - much larger than one conducted in 2006 - in a major provocation in the escalating international standoff over its rogue nuclear and missile programs.

    Pyongyang announced the test, and Russia's Defense Ministry confirmed an atomic explosion at 9:54 a.m. (0054 GMT) in northeastern North Korea, estimating the blast's yield at 10 to 20 kilotons - comparable to the bombs that flattened Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    ...

    North Korea, incensed by the condemnation of the April 5 rocket launch, had warned last month that it would restart its rogue nuclear program, conduct an atomic test and carry out long-range missile tests.

    ...

    President Barack Obama said a nuclear test would constitute an act of "blatant defiance" of the U.N. Security Council and a violation of international law, and only further isolate North Korea.

    North Korea's claims "are a matter of grave concern to all nations," he said, calling for international action in a statement from Washington. "North Korea's attempts to develop nuclear weapons, as well as its ballistic missile program, constitute a threat to international peace and security."



President 'WE'RE OUT OF MONEY'


Which recalls this essay from the UK Telegraph: "...why does President Pantywaist hate America so badly?"

The President of the United States is a community organizer who's self proclaimed executive management experience is running for president. Does it make you feel comfortable that this friend of racists and terrorists is leading America, ... or the world?

Gerald Warner in the UK Telegraph:

    If al-Qaeda, the Taliban and the rest of the Looney Tunes brigade want to kick America to death, they had better move in quickly and grab a piece of the action before Barack Obama finishes the job himself. Never in the history of the United States has a president worked so actively against the interests of his own people - not even Jimmy Carter.

    Obama's problem is that he does not know who the enemy is. To him, the enemy does not squat in caves in Waziristan, clutching automatic weapons and reciting the more militant verses from the Koran: instead, it sits around at tea parties in Kentucky quoting from the US Constitution. Obama is not at war with terrorists, but with his Republican fellow citizens. He has never abandoned the campaign trail.

    That is why he opened Pandora's Box by publishing the Justice Department's legal opinions on waterboarding and other hardline interrogation techniques. He cynically subordinated the national interest to his partisan desire to embarrass the Republicans. Then he had to rush to Langley, Virginia to try to reassure a demoralised CIA that had just discovered the President of the United States was an even more formidable foe than al-Qaeda.

    "Don't be discouraged by what's happened the last few weeks," he told intelligence officers. Is he kidding? Thanks to him, al-Qaeda knows the private interrogation techniques available to the US intelligence agencies and can train its operatives to withstand them - or would do so, if they had not already been outlawed.

    So, next time a senior al-Qaeda hood is captured, all the CIA can do is ask him nicely if he would care to reveal when a major population centre is due to be hit by a terror spectacular, or which American city is about to be irradiated by a dirty bomb. Your view of this situation will be dictated by one simple criterion: whether or not you watched the people jumping from the twin towers.

    Obama promised his CIA audience that nobody would be prosecuted for past actions. That has already been contradicted by leftist groups with a revanchist ambition to put Republicans, headed if possible by Condoleezza Rice, in the dock. Talk about playing party politics with national security. Martin Scheinin, the United Nations special investigator for human rights, claims that senior figures, including former vice president Dick Cheney, could face prosecution overseas. Ponder that - once you have got over the difficulty of locating the United Nations and human rights within the same dimension.

    President Pantywaist Obama should have thought twice before sitting down to play poker with Dick Cheney. The former vice president believes documents have been selectively published and that releasing more will prove how effective the interrogation techniques were. Under Dubya's administration, there was no further atrocity on American soil after 9/11.

    President Pantywaist's recent world tour, cosying up to all the bad guys, excited the ambitions of America's enemies. Here, they realised, is a sucker they can really take to the cleaners. His only enemies are fellow Americans. Which prompts the question: why does President Pantywaist hate America so badly?



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: zachariah on May 25, 2009, 11:02:48 am
Why, because she shares your point of view? 

Zachariah, you are a lifelong Republican and a Bush/McCain/Palin supporter.  Even the most biased Obama hater would have to admit that he is more qualified (and doing a better job) than any of those bozos would, or has done.

That's not to say he is perfect, but he is at least doing a better job than those dogmeat candidates that you keep propping up.

In other words, while you are

Hey, Nemie,

Why don't you harrass Bianca like you do me, in fact you dont challenge any but me on this forum.

Why is that?

What did Pelosi know about torture?

Why did Obama backpeddle on releasing the pictures?

Because your friends the wonderful lying Dims. knew everything, he is so dumb, he had to back out because he would have outed his best buds.

Other people are waking up Nemie




Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 25, 2009, 01:14:01 pm




Zachariah,

Thanks for the compliment.  I love this country - I will never tire of saying it.

I am so sorry you are getting harassed by these O-bots.....

They HATE to face the BIG  mistake in judgement that they made.  That fact IS penetrating their sub-
conscious, I think - that's why they are so hateful.

It's early in the game, let's give them a little more time....

Although, by then, it will be too late and we will


                                                                 A  L  L


be paying for it!


In the meantime, today, like  G O O D  Americans, let's celebrate those who gave their lives for the


                                                          F R E E D O M S


we still enjoy.....


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 25, 2009, 01:17:49 pm




As for you, Nemesis.....


I'll 'see' you tomorrow.....


It is                                                M E M O R I A L   D AY


Sacred to me, if not to YOU!!!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Nemesis on May 25, 2009, 02:26:28 pm
Why, because she shares your point of view? 

Zachariah, you are a lifelong Republican and a Bush/McCain/Palin supporter.  Even the most biased Obama hater would have to admit that he is more qualified (and doing a better job) than any of those bozos would, or has done.

That's not to say he is perfect, but he is at least doing a better job than those dogmeat candidates that you keep propping up.

In other words, while you are

You are blind, none of it is in your best interest, but being wrong is hard for a person to swallow, so they turn a blind eye, time will tell,

I am surprised Bianca even post on this forum.

and yes i was surprised that she and I held the same views,

But while TPTB keep us fighting with oneanother over whos the better man, while in the meantime they destroy a whole country,

you are the TOOL.

Dude, I'm the tool?  You voted for a party that advocated torture, started two wars, allowed us to get hit on 9/11 and led to the greatest financial crisi we've had since the great depression.

And you still support them over Obama?  Take a walk, dumbass, your party has been discredited. 

Your party ran this country into the ground the last eight years, all Obama is doing is cleaning uo Bush's mess.

Now run along and play, Junior and find some website more to your mentality - a Neo-Nazi or white power site, mainly where all they judge people on is the color ofg their skin.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Nemesis on May 25, 2009, 02:32:21 pm
Quote
Quote from: zachariah on Today at 10:47:54 am

I am surprised Bianca even post on this forum.

Gee, Zach, if you have such a low oppinion on the forum, what are you doing here?  Are you that desperate to make friends, you hang around where you are now  wanted and where 90% of the people here don't share your right wing policital point of view. 

Again, I am sure there is some nice Neo-Nazi site all ready to welcome you with open arms. :D


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Nemesis on May 25, 2009, 02:42:05 pm




Zachariah,

Thanks for the compliment.  I love this country - I will never tire of saying it.

I am so sorry you are getting harassed by these O-bots.....

They HATE to face the BIG  mistake in judgement that they made.  That fact IS penetrating their sub-
conscious, I think - that's why they are so hateful.

It's early in the game, let's give them a little more time....

Although, by then, it will be too late and we will


                                                                 A  L  L


be paying for it!


In the meantime, today, like  G O O D  Americans, let's celebrate those who gave their lives for the


                                                          F R E E D O M S


we still enjoy.....

"O-Bots," huh, PUMA member? 

Bianca, you are a member of PUMA - basically 5% of Hillary voters who basically wouldn't support Obama because he was black.

Your political opinion is TOTALLY DISCREDITED.  Half the garbage you print on this website gets refuted on a daily basis.  And yet, you keep on printing the crap daily even after people show you where it's in error!

You don't know what you a re talking about, you have very little support here when it comes to your politicsa and all you doi is offer blanket insults ("O'Bots"  ::) ) towards people who don't share your point of view.

In four years from now, you can vote for Palin, Jeb Bush or whatever rsupport the rich/pro-torture/no doubt ALL-WHITE nutjob that the Republicans put forth to protect their corporate interests,  in the meantime, do the rest of us all here a favor and CHILL OUT.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Nemesis on May 25, 2009, 02:42:54 pm
Quote
I am so sorry you are getting harassed by these O-bots.....
.

As opposed to being consoled by fellow racist Obama-haters?    :o


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Nemesis on May 25, 2009, 02:47:15 pm




As for you, Nemesis.....


I'll 'see' you tomorrow.....


It is                                                M E M O R I A L   D AY


Sacred to me, if not to YOU!!!

Who says it isn't sacred to me?  My uncles and father actually fought for this country, and many died in World War II, trying to free YOUR country? 

What were YOURS doing?

If you think you're more patriotic than me, you are full of it.

I have news for you, Toots, hating the President doesn't automatically make you patriotic.  These days, when we have all these crisis, it pretty much makes you a bad American.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on May 25, 2009, 04:35:40 pm
Quote
Bianca, you are a member of PUMA - basically 5% of Hillary voters who basically wouldn't support Obama because he was black.

Well, gee, if you w ere only a Democrat to get Hillary, a woman, elected, I dopn't know what to say to you.  I find the idea that people would only vote for someone on the basis of their sex (or color) to be totally SELFISH.

This country has real problems right now.  Obama isn't perfect, no one ever said he was, but he is still 100 times better than old man McCain and dimwit Palin, both of which simply would have started more wars and neglected the economy, except, of course for the rich.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on May 25, 2009, 04:39:46 pm
Quote
What did Pelosi know about torture?

Who cares?  She didn't authorize it, it was Bush and Cheney.  Why Republicans (and apparently you are one) keep forgetting is that she didn't play any role in directing the torture. 

Quote
Why did Obama backpeddle on releasing the pictures?

Because it would have harmed the troops overseas with more anti-American sentiment.  Like it did back in 2004 when Abu Gharib first broke.

Quote
Because your friends the wonderful lying Dims. knew everything, he is so dumb, he had to back out because he would have outed his best buds.

Again, who was in charge the last eight years that came up with the bright idea to torture everyone?  Gee, I guess it was your party, the Republicans.



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on May 25, 2009, 04:46:29 pm
Quote
We were told that "The One" would heal the planet!

World Leaders Defy Obama? We were told that "The One" would heal the planet!
Netanyahu defies Obama

The problems in thew Middle East have been going on for centuries and you expect Obama to solve them in three months.

Refresh me, what did Bush do for the peace process the last eight years?  Zilch, that's what!

Quote
North Korea tests nuke

And you're saying they didn't test any during the Bush Administration?  Dude, under Bush, they GOT nuclear weapons, they didn't have them under Clinton.

Quote
Iran's Ahmadinejad rejects Western nuclear proposal

And they have only been negotiating with this guy for the last six years, with no success!

Quote
Which recalls this essay from the UK Telegraph: "...why does President Pantywaist hate America so badly?"

Really objective.  You wonder why people don't take you seriously when nyou print this kind of garbage.



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on May 25, 2009, 04:47:52 pm
Learn to be objective, guys, not to hate so much, don't buy into every conspiracy issue piece of garbage out there, THEN maybe we can have a civil conversation.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 25, 2009, 05:48:31 pm




SO......


I HAVE BEEN CALLED A   R A C I S T   FROM WAY BACK AT THIS FORUM.


I USE THE WORD   O B O T   ONCE AND THE VITRIOL AND THE   P E R S O N A L   HATRED
POURS LIKE A RIVER.


I SEE :

THERE ARE NO DISSENTING OPINIONS ALLOWED AT AO!


I SEE THIS FORUM BECOMING, SADLY, AR IN REVERSE!!!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on May 25, 2009, 06:03:20 pm
I don't see anyone trying to stop you from posting your anti-Obama propaganda on this forum, but if you think that people don't have a right to disagree with it, you are way off base.

As for "AR," never been there.  And, from what I have heard of it, the place sucks.

Fact is, Hillary would have probably made all the same compromises as Obama had to make, so YOUR vitrio towards HIM and US is the thing that is the thing that is MISTAKEN.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 25, 2009, 07:27:42 pm






SO......


I HAVE BEEN CALLED A   R A C I S T   FROM WAY BACK AT THIS FORUM.


I USE THE WORD   O B O T   ONCE AND THE VITRIOL AND THE   P E R S O N A L   HATRED
POURS LIKE A RIVER.


I SEE :

THERE ARE NO DISSENTING OPINIONS ALLOWED AT AO!


I SEE THIS FORUM BECOMING, SADLY, AR IN REVERSE!!!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on May 26, 2009, 12:25:34 pm

The Obama Deception

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7535755025025800195


Okay Obamanoids try to dispute these facts.    ;)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on May 27, 2009, 02:04:36 am
Wow

Wow

Wow

Obama nominates Sotomayor to Supreme Court



Story Highlights
President Obama says Judge Sonia Sotomayor will make "great justice"

"My heart is bursting with gratitude," Sotomayor says

Sotomayor, 54, of Puerto Rican descent, would be first Hispanic on court

Conservative calls Sotomayor "a liberal judicial activist of the first order"

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Obama on Tuesday nominated federal appellate Judge Sonia Sotomayor to the U.S. Supreme Court.


(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/POLITICS/05/26/supreme.court/art.scotus.soto.02.cnn.jpg)

President Obama on Tuesday introduces Judge Sonia Sotomayor as his choice for the U.S. Supreme Court.

 If confirmed, Sotomayor, 54, would be the first Hispanic U.S. Supreme Court justice and the third woman to serve on the high court.

Sotomayor "is an inspiring woman who I believe will make a great justice," Obama said at a White House announcement.

She "has worked at almost every level of our judicial system, providing her with a depth of experience and a breadth of perspective that will be invaluable as a Supreme Court justice," he added.

Obama said Sotomayor would bring more experience on the bench than anyone currently serving on the Supreme Court when appointed.

"Thank you, Mr. President, for the most humbling honor of my life," Sotomayor said.

She thanked family members and mentors who helped her throughout her life and career.  Watch Sotomayor thank her mentors »

"My heart is bursting with gratitude," she said. She gave special recognition to her mother, who was sitting in the audience.

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"I am an ordinary person who has been blessed with extraordinary opportunities and experiences," Sotomayor said.

The president met with Sotomayor at the White House for an hour Thursday, according to senior administration officials.

He was impressed with Sotomayor's personal story and professional qualifications after meeting her, but he did not immediately offer her the job, two senior administration sources added.

Obama made his final decision Monday, the sources said.  Watch CNN's Jim Acosta break the news of Sotomayor's nomination »

Sotomayor, a judge on the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, was named a U.S. District Court judge by President George H.W. Bush in 1992, and was elevated to her current seat by President Clinton.

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Partisan confirmation hearings expected
iReport.com: Is Sotomayor the right choice?
Sotomayor, who is of Puerto Rican descent, rose from humble beginnings at a housing project in the South Bronx and went on to attend Princeton University and Yale Law School.

She has minimal personal assets compared with many of her judicial colleagues; a 2007 financial disclosure form showed her with a checking and savings account valued at between $50,000 and $115,000.

Supporters say her appointment history, along with what they call her moderate-liberal views, would give her some bipartisan backing in the Senate.

A senior White House official said that Sotomayor was "nominated by George Bush -- then Bill Clinton -- [and has] more judicial experience than anyone sitting on the court had at the time they were nominated."

Another senior administration official said that Obama "was looking for someone with a balance of skills: very, very smart; independent thinker; highly regarded for integrity and commitment to the law."

"He found all of those things with her, including his goal of selecting someone with the empathy factor -- real world, practical experience and understanding of how the law affects real people."  Watch as Obama cites Sotomayor's three decades of experience »

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont, issued a statement calling Sotomayor's record "exemplary."

"Judge Sotomayor has a long and distinguished career on the federal bench," Leahy said. "I believe [she] understands that the courthouse doors must be as open to ordinary Americans as they are to government and big corporations."

Sotomayor, however, has suffered through recent stinging criticism in the media and blogs from both the left and right over perceived -- some defenders say invented -- concerns about her temperament and intellect.

As she has risen through the judicial ranks, Sotomayor increasingly has drawn the ire and opposition of conservatives. A majority of Republican senators opposed her elevation to the appellate court in 1998.  Read about Sotomayor's record »

However, an official with the Republican National Committee promised that the GOP will be equitable toward Sotomayor.

"The Republicans are going to strike a tone that's fair, that allows the vetting process to happen like it should, and that's in stark contrast to how the Democrats dealt with Judge Roberts when you look back a couple years ago," the official said, referring to the 2005 confirmation of Chief Justice John Roberts.  Learn about the other Supreme Court justices »

In a statement, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, said that Senate Republicans "will thoroughly examine [Sotomayor's] record to ensure she understands that the role of a jurist in our democracy is to apply the law evenhandedly, despite their own feelings or personal or political preferences."

Conservatives point to, among other things, her authoring of a 2008 opinion supporting the city of New Haven, Connecticut's decision to throw out the results of a firefighter promotion exam because almost no minorities qualified for promotions.

The Supreme Court heard an appeal of the case in April; a final opinion is pending.

"Judge Sotomayor is a liberal judicial activist of the first order who thinks her own personal political agenda is more important that the law as written," said Wendy Long, counsel to the conservative Judicial Confirmation Network.

"She thinks that judges should dictate policy and that one's sex, race and ethnicity ought to affect the decisions one renders from the bench. ... She has an extremely high rate of her decisions being reversed, indicating that she is far more of a liberal activist than even the current liberal activist Supreme Court."

However, the senior White House official said Sotomayor has had "99 percent of her decisions" upheld by a higher court.  Watch how conservatives are gearing up for a fight »

Obama's nominee will replace retiring Justice David Souter, who announced this month he would step down when the court's current session ends this summer.

Obama's nomination will have to be confirmed by the Senate Judiciary Committee and the full Senate.  Watch why Democrats want the process to go quickly »


The nominee is not expected to have difficulty being confirmed in the Democratic-controlled Senate in time for the new court session in October.

The president has said he hopes to have hearings in July, with the confirmation completed before Congress leaves for the summer.
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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on May 27, 2009, 02:05:24 am
The first Hispanic female judge, how is that for progress?  You wouldn't catch George Bush doing that, who even replaced one of the court's two women with a man.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 27, 2009, 06:32:32 am





Yes, but Skinwalker pointed out to me in another thread:

"Six ROMAN CATHOLIC judges out of nine......?"


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 27, 2009, 09:45:59 am





"You wouldn't catch George Bush doing that, who even replaced one of the court's two women
with a man."

 
Posted by: Krista Davenport 

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------







                                                       SONIA SOTOMAYOR



                  Judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York



                                                               In office

 
                                              August 12, 1992 – October 7, 1998




                                                Nominated by George H.W. Bush

RETRIEVED FROM
Wikipedia.org


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on May 27, 2009, 10:08:23 am
Bush senior wasn't it?  Then Clinton elevated her as well?


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 27, 2009, 10:23:40 am






That's right, Q.


Both parties like her.


The only thing that bothers Skinwalker and myself is that that makes 6 Judges of of nine


                                                   ROMAN CATHOLIC


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Wind on May 27, 2009, 10:35:27 am
It makes sense :) The Vatican has always wanted to control the world.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 27, 2009, 10:39:32 am






Wind,

Don't tell me that you believe they haven't already achieved that!!!

Look behind the curtain!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on May 28, 2009, 01:05:35 am





"You wouldn't catch George Bush doing that, who even replaced one of the court's two women
with a man."

 
Posted by: Krista Davenport 

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------







                                                       SONIA SOTOMAYOR



                  Judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York



                                                               In office

 
                                              August 12, 1992 – October 7, 1998




                                                Nominated by George H.W. Bush

RETRIEVED FROM
Wikipedia.org


Yeah, but that was W.s dad, not the George Bush we have all come to know and LOATHE.



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on May 28, 2009, 01:11:02 am
I don't think the Catholic Church controls SQUAT.  Half the Catholics I know don't even follow the Pope.  Most practice birth control, for instance! 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 28, 2009, 08:26:10 am




In Center for Reproductive Law and Policy v. Bush, Sotomayor upheld the Bush administration’s implementation of the Mexico City Policy which requires foreign organizations receiving U.S. funds to


“neither perform nor actively promote abortion as a method of family planning in other nations”.


Sotomayor held that the policy did not constitute a violation of equal protection, as the government


“is free to favor the anti-abortion position over the pro-choice position, and can do so with public funds”.



Wikipedia.org


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on May 28, 2009, 09:12:25 am
Aren't anti-abortion and pro-choice the same thing?


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 28, 2009, 11:14:38 am





No, Q.


PRO = FOR


ANTI = AGAINST


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on May 28, 2009, 12:45:24 pm
Yes Bianca

Anti - abortion - means against abortion

Pro-Choice - means for life - against abortion - doesn't it?

Or does it mean the choice is up to the individual?  If so, that is a good thing.  It is not a means for birth control, it is a decision a woman has to make for herself.  I don't think it's anyone else's business, if a woman chooses to abort.  Think of me what you will, but I did. 

Many moons ago, I became pregnant.  I had been going to my gynecologist for years and he knew me well.  He sat me down and had a chat with me regarding what would happen if I went to term.  I had had a major infection which affected my womb and left it like cheesecloth.  He said it was likely I would not even be able to carry to term, and if I did, I would likely be extremely ill the whole time, and in the end, he figured I would birth something that was less than human; my womb being unable to nourish and protect the foetus.  It was not an easy choice, but I understood what he was saying and knew I did not want to take the risk of giving birth to an individual that would have no quality of life from the day it was born. 

In my area, there used to be a place for the mentally handicapped.  In the nice weather, the nurses would bring out these "things" and lay them on blankets on the lawn in the sun.  They had no arms or legs, were severely retarded and basically were alive in that blood was pumping through them.  No - I would not choose to give birth to a child that had to suffer like that.  Especially when I knew in advance that this was a real possibility.



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 28, 2009, 12:58:31 pm




I am sorry you had such a very grave decision to make, Q.

Even though I did bring two babies to term, it was a touch-and-go time during my
pregnancies.  The specter of 'having to have to make a choice' was always with
me.  So, in a small way, I can really understand.

YOU made the right choice for YOU and YOUR conscience.


That's what I take PRO-CHOICE to mean.

The CHOICE is up to the individual and that's why I am FOR abortion. 

It should be an option! 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Carole on May 28, 2009, 10:48:23 pm
Qoais,

Your story is a perfect illustration why the choice of abortion should always be between a woman and her doctor.  I don't know why anyone would imagine that such decisions are made lightly.  God bless you.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on May 29, 2009, 01:41:17 am




In Center for Reproductive Law and Policy v. Bush, Sotomayor upheld the Bush administration’s implementation of the Mexico City Policy which requires foreign organizations receiving U.S. funds to


“neither perform nor actively promote abortion as a method of family planning in other nations”.


Sotomayor held that the policy did not constitute a violation of equal protection, as the government


“is free to favor the anti-abortion position over the pro-choice position, and can do so with public funds”.



Wikipedia.org

Yeah, but that case wasn't so much to do with abortion as it was the government's powers.

Gbbs said that Obama and her share the same view of the Constitution, which has a right to privacy in it.  They almost NEVER put a justice on the bench that has a clear cut view on abortion.  Women judges, like Sandra Day O'Conner, fior instance, usually take the pro-choice position, no matter what their politics are.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on May 29, 2009, 01:43:52 am
Yes Bianca

Anti - abortion - means against abortion

Pro-Choice - means for life - against abortion - doesn't it?

Or does it mean the choice is up to the individual?  If so, that is a good thing.  It is not a means for birth control, it is a decision a woman has to make for herself.  I don't think it's anyone else's business, if a woman chooses to abort.  Think of me what you will, but I did. 


I would have done the same thing if I were in your position, heck, I think most women would. It isn't just about "life," it's about quality of life. And it definitely isn't anyone else's business. 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on May 29, 2009, 03:22:24 am
Yes Bianca

Anti - abortion - means against abortion

Pro-Choice - means for life - against abortion - doesn't it?

Or does it mean the choice is up to the individual?  If so, that is a good thing.  It is not a means for birth control, it is a decision a woman has to make for herself.  I don't think it's anyone else's business, if a woman chooses to abort.  Think of me what you will, but I did. 

Many moons ago, I became pregnant.  I had been going to my gynecologist for years and he knew me well.  He sat me down and had a chat with me regarding what would happen if I went to term.  I had had a major infection which affected my womb and left it like cheesecloth.  He said it was likely I would not even be able to carry to term, and if I did, I would likely be extremely ill the whole time, and in the end, he figured I would birth something that was less than human; my womb being unable to nourish and protect the foetus.  It was not an easy choice, but I understood what he was saying and knew I did not want to take the risk of giving birth to an individual that would have no quality of life from the day it was born. 

In my area, there used to be a place for the mentally handicapped.  In the nice weather, the nurses would bring out these "things" and lay them on blankets on the lawn in the sun.  They had no arms or legs, were severely retarded and basically were alive in that blood was pumping through them.  No - I would not choose to give birth to a child that had to suffer like that.  Especially when I knew in advance that this was a real possibility.



In that case an abortion is preferable.  Let a child's soul find a healthy body.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on May 29, 2009, 03:33:38 am
The last 4 minutes of this video are the most interesting statements I have ever heard from any political leader.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzaLP9dTXhE&feature=player_embedded


I never imagined that Ron Paul was the patriot that this video discloses he is.
Funnier yet. This video was "WAS" banned.
I posted it because it explains alot of what I feel personally about the truth in anything.

JFK, Martin King, and a few others to mention are in this video as well.
I received this via E-mail and had to show all of you this because it represents the difference of what America was to what it's become.

I love this nation for what it was at one time. It's beauty, what it meant to the world of old, and all of it's potential. However, the very financial systems that we once avoided are now our debt.
The liberties we once represented are now threatened.
The freedom this nation once stood for, is now oppressing the world with policies written by the Bush admin.

 :-\ Sure it's not a positive message to understand. However, no one is this forum or the world can say this is not true. People, I'm not asking anyone here or anywhere else to pursue this to the level that I do.
I'm just asking everyone to open their mind to the possiblities that we are facing. We are being lied to.

We are being lied to and forced to beleive what they tell us and blindly we follow.
I wish that was an opinion of my own, yet it's not!
Because in spirit we are all connected, I know that somewhere in all of you is that little voice.
The bells and whistles going off inside each of you when stuff like this is said is the very reason it's important to free your minds.

If you all love humanity and all life in general, you must stop ignoring what your heart is saying.
America is not free anymore. We all are facing a global threat because of policy inforced by New World Order?
All I'm asking is that you all take a moment to think again. If nothing happens I will be the happiest FOOL ever and accepts the title with pleasure. However, if the NWO agenda takes effect, please understand that we are as much to blame for that because we chose to ignore the warning signs.
We made it happen through our own fear!



That is the truth as I know it and see it.
As unpleasent as it seems to hear it, we must face it sooner or later. I for one can't just sit here and force myself to simply ignore this. Spiritually, I must know if this is a precursor to the signs given in the Bible and all world religions about the Revelation. (Reveal)

People should be prepared instead of waiting until it happens and then seeing it.
I know a few of you will disagree with me and I'm expecting that. However I am compelled to follow up on this because in spirit, I do love all life and I want it to continue on. I have talked to most of you for years now and I'm sure you all know that is not like me to just blurt something like this out.

However, I am but one person calling out to you all to atleast research what is really happening.
We are soon going to be facing a change in the world that none of us a few years ago would have even imagined. I refuse to silence myself about this and regaurdless of consequence, FREE WILL is GOD'S gift to humanity. I will not let that gift of God to me, be taken.

Again, I am not expecting you all to feel as I do. I just think that this is something that will one day be a part of history and that you all should at the very least be informed of where this world as a whole is going. I am not alone in how I feel and if their is anyone else here that feels that way. You have only right now to decide your own fate. One chance...

I will not post more on this in this thread out of respect for those who don't want to hear it.
However, I will be ready to discuss this and much more in my own threads here in this forum if some of you wish to talk more on this subject. I really do sincerely care for each and every singal one of you and this is why I say this to you now. If I didn't feel anything deep down about this, I wouldn't have posted this. Yet I do.

I too have been seeing things that I really can't explain. Feelings and mental images and this is daily.
I wish I could just blurt it all out and tell you all what I'm seeing but it moves us away from the point of this one particular post. I'm affraid for those who will not open their hearts and minds......
However it is up to all of you to decide for yourselves to do so.

I'm just trying to explain that we do have a choice right now, and right now might be the only chance we get to make that difference in our own lives. Don't let someone who doesn't care about you decide your fate for you. Take matters into your own hands and learn all you can now while you still can.
This year alone there is so many things that will soon be made obvious for all eyes to see.
Don't miss this chance to stay ahead of the curve and be enlightened by what you find.

Sincerely Harry Retzer Jr.
Namasta


I am seeking a way to enlighten myself past my own fears to only love even the things I fear by confronting them and learning from them to move beyond this state of being.
I don't mean to scare or promote fear. I am trying to encouraging you all to second guess all of what your affraid of.....
2 basic emotions that make all the other emotions within us.

Fear-Love                     

Now that you see them side by side, pick one.........
 Your choice is what you manifest.



Yeah but unfortunately the politician that makes the most sense never gets elected.

It's the one with all the showmanship and hype and panders to emotional impossibilities which are unachieveable that gets the majority of votes from an uneducated gullible public.   ::)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on May 29, 2009, 03:42:57 am
Qoais,

Your story is a perfect illustration why the choice of abortion should always be between a woman and her doctor.  I don't know why anyone would imagine that such decisions are made lightly.  God bless you.

Yeah but many women can and do abort many perfectly healthy babies.

Abortions should only take place if:

A) the mother's life is in danger
B) the baby's life is in danger
C) **** or incest

There was a story once where a woman is Bosnia was struck with a bullet in the womb area where the bullet had sperm cells on the edge of it.  The woman after being treated for the bullet wound later discovered she was impregnated and decided to carry the baby to term.  The baby was born a boy and was healthy.  Talk about reverence for life.   :)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on May 29, 2009, 04:26:55 am
The last 4 minutes of this video are the most interesting statements I have ever heard from any political leader.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzaLP9dTXhE&feature=player_embedded


I never imagined that Ron Paul was the patriot that this video discloses he is.
Funnier yet. This video was "WAS" banned.
I posted it because it explains alot of what I feel personally about the truth in anything.

JFK, Martin King, and a few others to mention are in this video as well.
I received this via E-mail and had to show all of you this because it represents the difference of what America was to what it's become.

I love this nation for what it was at one time. It's beauty, what it meant to the world of old, and all of it's potential. However, the very financial systems that we once avoided are now our debt.
The liberties we once represented are now threatened.
The freedom this nation once stood for, is now oppressing the world with policies written by the Bush admin.

 :-\ Sure it's not a positive message to understand. However, no one is this forum or the world can say this is not true. People, I'm not asking anyone here or anywhere else to pursue this to the level that I do.
I'm just asking everyone to open their mind to the possiblities that we are facing. We are being lied to.

We are being lied to and forced to beleive what they tell us and blindly we follow.
I wish that was an opinion of my own, yet it's not!
Because in spirit we are all connected, I know that somewhere in all of you is that little voice.
The bells and whistles going off inside each of you when stuff like this is said is the very reason it's important to free your minds.

If you all love humanity and all life in general, you must stop ignoring what your heart is saying.
America is not free anymore. We all are facing a global threat because of policy inforced by New World Order?
All I'm asking is that you all take a moment to think again. If nothing happens I will be the happiest FOOL ever and accepts the title with pleasure. However, if the NWO agenda takes effect, please understand that we are as much to blame for that because we chose to ignore the warning signs.
We made it happen through our own fear!



That is the truth as I know it and see it.
As unpleasent as it seems to hear it, we must face it sooner or later. I for one can't just sit here and force myself to simply ignore this. Spiritually, I must know if this is a precursor to the signs given in the Bible and all world religions about the Revelation. (Reveal)

People should be prepared instead of waiting until it happens and then seeing it.
I know a few of you will disagree with me and I'm expecting that. However I am compelled to follow up on this because in spirit, I do love all life and I want it to continue on. I have talked to most of you for years now and I'm sure you all know that is not like me to just blurt something like this out.

However, I am but one person calling out to you all to atleast research what is really happening.
We are soon going to be facing a change in the world that none of us a few years ago would have even imagined. I refuse to silence myself about this and regaurdless of consequence, FREE WILL is GOD'S gift to humanity. I will not let that gift of God to me, be taken.

Again, I am not expecting you all to feel as I do. I just think that this is something that will one day be a part of history and that you all should at the very least be informed of where this world as a whole is going. I am not alone in how I feel and if their is anyone else here that feels that way. You have only right now to decide your own fate. One chance...

I will not post more on this in this thread out of respect for those who don't want to hear it.
However, I will be ready to discuss this and much more in my own threads here in this forum if some of you wish to talk more on this subject. I really do sincerely care for each and every singal one of you and this is why I say this to you now. If I didn't feel anything deep down about this, I wouldn't have posted this. Yet I do.

I too have been seeing things that I really can't explain. Feelings and mental images and this is daily.
I wish I could just blurt it all out and tell you all what I'm seeing but it moves us away from the point of this one particular post. I'm affraid for those who will not open their hearts and minds......
However it is up to all of you to decide for yourselves to do so.

I'm just trying to explain that we do have a choice right now, and right now might be the only chance we get to make that difference in our own lives. Don't let someone who doesn't care about you decide your fate for you. Take matters into your own hands and learn all you can now while you still can.
This year alone there is so many things that will soon be made obvious for all eyes to see.
Don't miss this chance to stay ahead of the curve and be enlightened by what you find.

Sincerely Harry Retzer Jr.
Namasta


I am seeking a way to enlighten myself past my own fears to only love even the things I fear by confronting them and learning from them to move beyond this state of being.
I don't mean to scare or promote fear. I am trying to encouraging you all to second guess all of what your affraid of.....
2 basic emotions that make all the other emotions within us.

Fear-Love                     

Now that you see them side by side, pick one.........
 Your choice is what you manifest.



Yeah but unfortunately the politician that makes the most sense never gets elected.

It's the one with all the showmanship and hype and panders to emotional impossibilities which are unachieveable that gets the majority of votes from an uneducated gullible public.   ::)


So true! I was taken in by his speaches to begin with myself. He seemed to say all the right things. Like everyone else, I was ignorant to what the real agenda was.
However, I was also opened to listen to the opposing side of the story and discovered things that made me realize that this monster is no better. He's all about Wall street, and power...
Atleast we knew that Bush was no good from the beginning. This guy won our hearts and then turned around and delivered on nothing he promiced us.

We haven't had a real president since JFK. We haven't been a free nation since 1914.
We are now in debt to the world and my kids will suffer now because these world powers are so corrupt.....

 >:(

However, I'm not sitting here complaining about all of this and doing nothing about it.
I signed the petition to have the FED audited. I am an enemy of the state because I do try to inform people about what is going on. And I will be on the front lines, when martial law is declared. And yes, I have protested in the past and told authority right where to go.
As many of my friends here know, I don't have a problem with that.

 ;)

We are change and if we don't act, nothing happens.
Tomarrow will be the same, if not worse then today.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 29, 2009, 06:34:14 am






Going back to Skinwalker' stastement to me on another thread that SIX out of NINE Supremes is

a 'bit much', I agree.

Especially when I remember that Roman Catholic Bishops and Prelates were preaching NOT to vote
for anyone endorsing ABORTION (during the last election) and threatening EXCOMMUNICATION
if anyone did so.

And the DISGRACE of this current pope preaching, recently, throughout Africa against any form
of birth control.  Especially in Uganda, where a huge number of their people have died from AIDS.

                                               Using condoms saves lives!

Totally conscienceless and CRIMINAL!!!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: unknown on May 29, 2009, 08:51:20 am
I am wondering what reason they gave for banning the JFK, Martin Luther King, Ron Paul video?

I can't imagine a valid reason.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Echelon Monitor on May 29, 2009, 11:26:26 am
Abortion Rights Backers Get Reassurances on Nominee

By Robert Barnes and Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, May 29, 2009

The White House scrambled yesterday to assuage worries from liberal groups about Judge Sonia Sotomayor's scant record on abortion rights, delivering strong but vague assurances that the Supreme Court nominee agrees with President Obama's belief in constitutional protections for a woman's right to the procedure.
Facing concerns about the issue from supporters rather than detractors, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Obama did not ask Sotomayor specifically about abortion rights during their interview. But Gibbs indicated that the White House is nonetheless sure she agrees with the constitutional underpinnings of Roe v. Wade, which 36 years ago provided abortion rights nationwide.

"In their discussions, they talked about the theory of constitutional interpretation, generally, including her views on unenumerated rights in the Constitution and the theory of settled law," Gibbs said. "He left very comfortable with her interpretation of the Constitution being similar to that of his."

In a 2007 debate during the campaign, then-candidate Obama said, "I would not appoint somebody who doesn't believe in the right to privacy." The Supreme Court found that the right to privacy provided a woman the choice to terminate a pregnancy in its early stages.
The president's advisers could not point to a specific basis for Obama's belief that he and Sotomayor share the same view on the issue, other than their general conversation about judicial philosophies. In nearly 20 years as a district judge and on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit in New York, Sotomayor has not confronted constitutional questions about the issue.

Several aides said they do not think the issue came up in the preliminary conversations that Sotomayor held with White House staff before her interview with the president. And one senior adviser said the reports that were compiled by lawyers for Obama referenced only her relatively sparse legal record on the issue.

But White House officials appeared eager to send a message that abortion rights groups do not need to worry about how she might rule in a challenge to Roe v. Wade.

"He did not specifically ask, as we've stated for the past several days," Gibbs said. "But as I just said, I think he feels -- I know he feels -- comfortable, generally, with her interpretation of the Constitution being similar to that of his."

Officials said they had private conversations yesterday with groups on both sides of the abortion debate. Senior Senate Democrats said they expect that liberal Democratic senators will raise the issue with Sotomayor in private meetings next week on Capitol Hill.

 Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), one of the Senate's leading abortion rights supporters, said she will not specifically ask Sotomayor about Roe but said she has no reason to doubt Sotomayor's position on the issue. "I feel as comfortable as I could possibly feel," Boxer said.

The abortion issue is likely to arise in Sotomayor's confirmation hearings in July, in part because of her background as a Catholic. But she is unlikely to offer any more clarity than have previous nominees. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., for instance, ducked the question during his 2005 hearings by saying that Roe is "settled as a precedent of the court."

Sotomayor is nominated to join a court that is fundamentally split on the issue. In its last major decision, the court ruled 5 to 4 in 2007 to uphold the federal Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act. It was the first time the court approved the ban of a specific abortion procedure and the first time it approved an abortion restriction that did not include an exception to protect the health of the woman.





Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Echelon Monitor on May 29, 2009, 11:27:43 am
The justice Sotomayor would succeed, David H. Souter, was in the minority in that case, so her vote would not have altered the outcome.

But Souter was one of the three authors of the 2002 decision that upheld the basic tenets of Roe. Abortion rights supporters think that Roe survives today with the support of the four liberals on the court, among them Souter, plus Justice Anthony Kennedy. Replacing Souter with someone who does not support Roe would obviously imperil the right.

National abortion rights groups have issued welcoming but cautious statements on the judge's nomination, and have called on the Senate to discern her views. But the groups have been reluctant to publicly challenge the White House on the issue, declining requests to comment further on their concerns.

Sotomayor's most notable decision on abortion came in 2002, when she ruled against abortion rights advocates who wanted to challenge what is known as the Mexico City rule. It forbade overseas organizations that receive U.S. funds from providing or promoting abortion services. The rule has been a political football, put in place by Republican presidents and rescinded by Democrats, most recently by Obama in January.

Sotomayor's decision reveals nothing about abortion rights but relies on precedents from the Supreme Court and the 2nd Circuit to deny the challengers' suit to go forward. "We have been over this ground before," Sotomayor wrote, noting a previous case before the court that raised almost identical issues.

"The Supreme Court has made clear that the government is free to favor the anti-abortion position over the pro-choice position, and can do so with public funds," she concluded for the unanimous three-judge panel.

Even more tangentially, Sotomayor has ruled that a suit brought by a group of abortion protesters who claimed police brutality could go forward; it focused on questions of municipal liability. And in cases involving deportation to China, she has written about the country's sterilization and forced abortion standards. In one case, she talked about how husbands would be affected: "The termination of a wanted pregnancy under a coercive population control program can only be devastating to any couple, akin, no doubt, to the killing of a child."

In the few days since Sotomayor's nomination, no record of her personal feelings on the issue have emerged; some former clerks say they do not remember discussing it with her. George Pavia, senior partner in the law firm that hired Sotomayor as a corporate litigator before her days on the bench, said he thinks that support of abortion rights would be in line with her generally liberal instincts.

"I can guarantee she'll be for abortion rights," Pavia said.

Also before she was a judge, Sotomayor served on the board of the Maternity Center Association, a Manhattan nonprofit group that focuses on improving maternity care for women.

Carol Sakala, director of programs for the organization (now called Childbirth Connection), said today that it "deals exclusively with women who want to carry their pregnancies to term" but has never taken a position on abortion. She said abortion has never come up at a board meeting in the more than 10 years she has worked there and is not discussed in her daily work.

"We have no reason to have a position on abortion. We aren't involved in any manner with that issue," Sakala said. "There's no paper trail on it, because it's not relevant to our work."

Staff writers Paul Kane, Jerry Markon, Shailagh Murray and Keith B. Richburg contributed to this report.



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 29, 2009, 11:49:40 am




QUOTE:



The White House scrambled yesterday to assuage worries from liberal groups about Judge Sonia Sotomayor's scant record on abortion rights, delivering strong but vague assurances that the Supreme Court nominee agrees with President Obama's belief in constitutional protections for a woman's right to the procedure.

Facing concerns about the issue from supporters rather than detractors, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Obama did not ask Sotomayor specifically about abortion rights during their interview. But Gibbs indicated that the White House is nonetheless sure she agrees with the constitutional underpinnings of Roe v. Wade, which 36 years ago provided abortion rights nationwide.



----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------






Going back to Skinwalker' stastement to me on another thread that SIX out of NINE Supremes is

a 'bit much', I agree.

Especially when I remember that Roman Catholic Bishops and Prelates were preaching NOT to vote
for anyone endorsing ABORTION (during the last election) and threatening EXCOMMUNICATION
if anyone did so.

And the DISGRACE of this current pope preaching, recently, throughout Africa against any form
of birth control.  Especially in Uganda, where a huge number of their people have died from AIDS.


Everybody know that


                                                         USING CONDOMS SAVES LIVES!



The pope's requests were totally conscienseless and CRIMINAL!!!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on May 29, 2009, 02:59:25 pm
I am wondering what reason they gave for banning the JFK, Martin Luther King, Ron Paul video?

I can't imagine a valid reason.

Cuz Youtube has a bunch of Obamanoids working for it who are more than happy to follow orders.

Alex Jones, Mark Dice and Jason Bermas get banned all the time from Youtube.   Looks like Hulu may see a big jump in members.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on May 29, 2009, 03:02:55 pm
She's a ethnocentrist miso-andrist gun-grabbing Globalist.

The Senate would be smart to vote her down.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 29, 2009, 03:07:03 pm






NO, Vol-


She'll pass.   

                                  The VATICAN is a ranking member of the PUPPETTEERS


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on May 29, 2009, 05:36:02 pm
The states are going to get pushed into seceding.

The Globalist infiltrators are really going to step it up cuz the NWO is a bunch of 80 and 90 year old degenerates who have to pull off their New World Order now or they will be dead before they can enjoy their power-trip.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 30, 2009, 03:54:33 pm







 F R O M


PRAVDA - RUSSIA








                                           American capitalism gone with a whimper 






27.04.2009
Source:
Pravda.Ru           
 
It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.

True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.

Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.

First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish.

Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.

The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.

These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes.

Should we congratulate them?


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 30, 2009, 03:56:28 pm








These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more then a whimper to their masters.

Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motor) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of "pure" free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions.

So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a "bold" move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the chance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, too. Prime Minister Putin, less then two months ago, warned Obama and UK's Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster. Apparently, even though we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored horror show, we know nothing, as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our "wise" Anglo-Saxon fools find out the folly of their own pride.

Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper...but a "freeman" whimper.

So, should it be any surprise to discover that the Democratically controlled Congress of America is working on passing a new regulation that would give the American Treasury department the power to set "fair" maximum salaries, evaluate performance and control how private companies give out pay raises and bonuses? Senator Barney Franks, a social pervert basking in his homosexuality (of course, amongst the modern, enlightened American societal norm, as well as that of the general West, homosexuality is not only not a looked down upon life choice, but is often praised as a virtue) and his Marxist enlightenment, has led this effort. He stresses that this only affects companies that receive government monies, but it is retroactive and taken to a logical extreme, this would include any company or industry that has ever received a tax break or incentive.

The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look thoughtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and fleeing the land of the Red as fast as possible. In other words, divest while there is still value left.

The proud American will go down into his slavery with out a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is. The world will only snicker.



Stanislav Mishin





The article has been reprinted with the kind permission from the author and originally appears on his blog,

Mat Rodina



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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 31, 2009, 11:15:08 am









"The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of Patriots and tyrants.

It is a natural manure."



~Thomas Jefferson


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 31, 2009, 11:17:46 am










                                                            Thomas Paine 2009

 




VIDEOS:


http://www.route66teaparty.com/Thomas_Paine_2009.html


What would have happened in 1789, 1942 or 9/11 if a top government official stepped in front of the people and publicly proclaimed America was a nation of cowards?  He would have been run out of the country on a rail, packaged and tar and feathered at least. But that’s what happened in 2009 and you did nothing.

Have you become a nation of cowards, America? In the greatest show of arrogance and disdain any congress ever showed any citizenry your dysfunctional elite, self interested non- representing representatives passed the largest spending bill in history without reading it and you did nothing.

You want them to obey your constitutional mandate and secure your borders and they ignore you. You ask them to enforce your immigration laws and they ignore you. You say stop the madness of handing 300 billion dollars of a bankrupted treasury to illegal alien welfare rewarding them for making a mockery of your laws. And they ignore you.  And now in open defiance of the overwhelming will of the people are preparing more amnesty programs. You say stop exploiting my nation’s vital industries to foreign shores and they ignore you.

You say “no” to use your money to bail out failed, corrupt and greedy businesses and they ignore you. You say implement the e-verify system so American jobs go to American workers. And they ignore you.  If your self-serving congress were a business they’d all be in jail now. The biggest traitors among you hold elective office. Only when they feel the wrath of ‘We the People” marching in the streets from California to New York shouting “We’re mad as hell and we want our country back!” will they get the message. They work for you! 

Wake up America! While you were playing with the toys of your consumer wealth you lost much more than your bloated economy of living beyond your means. You lost your representative democracy. Your servants have become your masters. Taxation without representation is tyranny. But still you look to government to solve problems they created in the first place. You’re sucking at the hind teat of a dead cow.

Why isn’t there a 3 million people march on Washington, a nationwide taxpayer’s revolt? Thousands of cars and trucks surrounding your nation’s capitol bringing your failed government to a standstill. Democracy doesn’t repress power, it unleashes it to, ‘We the People”. Take it now. They dictated an economic solution to you. Now it’s time to stick it to them – with the “We the People stimulus package.

Require all laws that apply to the rest of the country to equally apply to congress. Start by first removing the elite privileges that place your non-representing representatives above you, not with you. Require all laws that apply to the rest of the country to equally apply to congress. Repeal congress’ right to vote for their own raises. Balance the federal budget. Force your legislators to do what you now have to do. Live within your means. If you don’t you’re committing national suicide. Make congress pay into the social security system. They make laws for it, now they might be interested in thinking twice before they allow 20 million illegal aliens to reap the benefits of a retirement program the legal citizens paid into all of their lives. Long term power corrupts. Limit congress from serving more than 2 terms. That’s all you give your president. Let them search for their own 401k plan instead of the gross unfairness of awarding them their full salary for the rest of their lives after only serving one term. Stop paying for lawmakers’ insurance premiums. After all they’re only part time employees. They might pass some laws on insurance companies if they had to find one themselves.

Throw out of office every congressman and woman who didn’t bother to read the biggest spending bill in history before they voted for it. With the money you save from all of the above, put it into increased salary and benefits for the men and women of the armed forces. They never fail you. Start with no war unless you intend to win it. Make English the official language of America. You talk of “united we stand” but do nothing to make it happen. Give every legal immigrant a chance to succeed. Not one cent of taxpayer money for illegal aliens. We are a nation of laws and do not reward lawbreakers.

Abolish the Electoral College and put the election of the president back in the hands of “We the People”. Bring back universal service – 2 years in the military or 2 years in community involvement. Insure your future. Rekindle the spirit of America. Service, honor and duty to country.

Give your young people a chance to understand they’re entitled to nothing they haven’t earned.


Wake up, America.


You’ve allowed yourselves to become little more than cowering spectators watching the nation your grandparents built, the richest most powerful self-sufficient republic in history with the highest standard of living any nation ever achieved.

Now in the middle of the greatest unprecedented decline in modern history the world’s only super power can’t defend its borders, balance its budget, win its wars, manufacture its own products or protect its own currency.

Your total government debt obligation in the next several years is approaching the gross domestic product of the entire world. You’ve diminished the future of your children, grandchildren and 10 more generations of Americans.

On September 11, 2001 300 million Americans put aside what divided them and rallied around what united them. You proudly flew your flags. You wore t-shirts that said “These colors don’t run.” Then your leadership told you to do nothing.

Let your professional army do the fighting. Perhaps you learned to do nothing too well. 233 years ago the silent majority in Boston got fed up w/ taxation without representation and held a little tea party to prove the anger of “We the People” is on the march. It started the 1st American Revolution.  Now its time to start the 2nd American Revolution. Take an envelope, put a tea bag inside. Simple. Seal it. Send it to your non representing representative in congress. They’ll get the idea. We’re mad as hell and we want our country back. Look in the mirror. There is your leader. Phone your talk radio host. Call for a tax protest. Set your internet communities on fire with the idea. If you decide to do nothing again, then buy a gun.    You’ll need it!

My name is Thomas Paine. Don’t give up hope America. Your country needs a new greatest generation. Answer the call. Get into the fight. It’s a good time to be a patriot. The 2nd American Revolution has just begun.

 



Send a tea-bag to your employees in the government. For addresses go to:

 


www.house.gov  www.senate.gov

President Barack Obama

THE WHITE HOUSE

1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW

Washington D.C. 20500


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on May 31, 2009, 01:02:29 pm










                                                            Thomas Paine 2009

 




VIDEOS:


http://www.route66teaparty.com/Thomas_Paine_2009.html


What would have happened in 1789, 1942 or 9/11 if a top government official stepped in front of the people and publicly proclaimed America was a nation of cowards?  He would have been run out of the country on a rail, packaged and tar and feathered at least. But that’s what happened in 2009 and you did nothing.

Have you become a nation of cowards, America? In the greatest show of arrogance and disdain any congress ever showed any citizenry your dysfunctional elite, self interested non- representing representatives passed the largest spending bill in history without reading it and you did nothing.

You want them to obey your constitutional mandate and secure your borders and they ignore you. You ask them to enforce your immigration laws and they ignore you. You say stop the madness of handing 300 billion dollars of a bankrupted treasury to illegal alien welfare rewarding them for making a mockery of your laws. And they ignore you.  And now in open defiance of the overwhelming will of the people are preparing more amnesty programs. You say stop exploiting my nation’s vital industries to foreign shores and they ignore you.

You say “no” to use your money to bail out failed, corrupt and greedy businesses and they ignore you. You say implement the e-verify system so American jobs go to American workers. And they ignore you.  If your self-serving congress were a business they’d all be in jail now. The biggest traitors among you hold elective office. Only when they feel the wrath of ‘We the People” marching in the streets from California to New York shouting “We’re mad as hell and we want our country back!” will they get the message. They work for you! 

Wake up America! While you were playing with the toys of your consumer wealth you lost much more than your bloated economy of living beyond your means. You lost your representative democracy. Your servants have become your masters. Taxation without representation is tyranny. But still you look to government to solve problems they created in the first place. You’re sucking at the hind teat of a dead cow.

Why isn’t there a 3 million people march on Washington, a nationwide taxpayer’s revolt? Thousands of cars and trucks surrounding your nation’s capitol bringing your failed government to a standstill. Democracy doesn’t repress power, it unleashes it to, ‘We the People”. Take it now. They dictated an economic solution to you. Now it’s time to stick it to them – with the “We the People stimulus package.

Require all laws that apply to the rest of the country to equally apply to congress. Start by first removing the elite privileges that place your non-representing representatives above you, not with you. Require all laws that apply to the rest of the country to equally apply to congress. Repeal congress’ right to vote for their own raises. Balance the federal budget. Force your legislators to do what you now have to do. Live within your means. If you don’t you’re committing national suicide. Make congress pay into the social security system. They make laws for it, now they might be interested in thinking twice before they allow 20 million illegal aliens to reap the benefits of a retirement program the legal citizens paid into all of their lives. Long term power corrupts. Limit congress from serving more than 2 terms. That’s all you give your president. Let them search for their own 401k plan instead of the gross unfairness of awarding them their full salary for the rest of their lives after only serving one term. Stop paying for lawmakers’ insurance premiums. After all they’re only part time employees. They might pass some laws on insurance companies if they had to find one themselves.

Throw out of office every congressman and woman who didn’t bother to read the biggest spending bill in history before they voted for it. With the money you save from all of the above, put it into increased salary and benefits for the men and women of the armed forces. They never fail you. Start with no war unless you intend to win it. Make English the official language of America. You talk of “united we stand” but do nothing to make it happen. Give every legal immigrant a chance to succeed. Not one cent of taxpayer money for illegal aliens. We are a nation of laws and do not reward lawbreakers.

Abolish the Electoral College and put the election of the president back in the hands of “We the People”. Bring back universal service – 2 years in the military or 2 years in community involvement. Insure your future. Rekindle the spirit of America. Service, honor and duty to country.

Give your young people a chance to understand they’re entitled to nothing they haven’t earned.


Wake up, America.


You’ve allowed yourselves to become little more than cowering spectators watching the nation your grandparents built, the richest most powerful self-sufficient republic in history with the highest standard of living any nation ever achieved.

Now in the middle of the greatest unprecedented decline in modern history the world’s only super power can’t defend its borders, balance its budget, win its wars, manufacture its own products or protect its own currency.

Your total government debt obligation in the next several years is approaching the gross domestic product of the entire world. You’ve diminished the future of your children, grandchildren and 10 more generations of Americans.

On September 11, 2001 300 million Americans put aside what divided them and rallied around what united them. You proudly flew your flags. You wore t-shirts that said “These colors don’t run.” Then your leadership told you to do nothing.

Let your professional army do the fighting. Perhaps you learned to do nothing too well. 233 years ago the silent majority in Boston got fed up w/ taxation without representation and held a little tea party to prove the anger of “We the People” is on the march. It started the 1st American Revolution.  Now its time to start the 2nd American Revolution. Take an envelope, put a tea bag inside. Simple. Seal it. Send it to your non representing representative in congress. They’ll get the idea. We’re mad as hell and we want our country back. Look in the mirror. There is your leader. Phone your talk radio host. Call for a tax protest. Set your internet communities on fire with the idea. If you decide to do nothing again, then buy a gun.    You’ll need it!

My name is Thomas Paine. Don’t give up hope America. Your country needs a new greatest generation. Answer the call. Get into the fight. It’s a good time to be a patriot. The 2nd American Revolution has just begun.

 



Send a tea-bag to your employees in the government. For addresses go to:

 


www.house.gov  www.senate.gov

President Barack Obama

THE WHITE HOUSE

1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW

Washington D.C. 20500

Voting in Chuck Baldwin for President would have been even more effective but you tell Americans how to solve problems and there's a mental disconnect.

Now that these Repubs and Demos are in office they only care about the will of the NWO.  With the exceptions of Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, the other CFR Legislative members are Bilderberg pawns.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 31, 2009, 01:48:25 pm







                                             Obama's Team Goes Bilderberging






Israeli newspapers reported Dennis Ross gave an October deadline for talks with Iran. He did so during a "Europe trip." Was it the annual Bilderberg meeting, held on a Greek Isle? It occurred May 14-17 and was covered by one mainstream journalist, from The Guardian, a British paper.

Charlie Skelton's first few posts mocked conspiracy theory paranoia. However, the super tight, heavily-armed security net surrounding the meeting eventually wore on Skelton. By the end of his trip, Charlie wrote:

I came to make a few cracks about Bilderberg and ended up getting sledgehammered in the nuts.

Publicity is pure poison to the world's global power elite. So we should all turn up to its next annual meeting with a few more tubs of the stuff.
Who attended from the Obama camp? A German web site said General James L. Jones and General David Petraeus joined Tim Geithner, Larry Summers, Paul Volcker, Richard Holbrooke and Dennis Ross at the 2009 meeting. Paul Wolfowitz attended and I believe he still has State Department responsibilities. Wolfowitz had the company of fellow neocons Richard Pearle and Robert Kagan in Greece.

Recall Democratic Presidential front runners Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama detoured from Reagan Airport to nearby Northern Virginia suburbs during last year's Bilderberg soiree. Did they talk to hegemonic global powers gathered in Chantilly, Virginia?

Bilderberg meetings are closed to the press, participants are asked not to publicly discuss the proceedings and the attendee list is only occasionally released.

Distinguished media leaders attend every year, but they keep their silence in return for a seat at the heady world power table. WaPo's Donald Graham is a regular, but his venerable daily avoids Bilderberg. Fareed Zakaria of Newsweek made this year's meeting.

How might the Obama team's help transition the IMF into a global Treasury or the WHO into global health department? Will philanthropy money pave the way? A secret meeting of billionaires was called by David Rockefeller, also a Bilderberger. On May 5, they discussed ways to continue philanthropy while many economies suffer. Will it involve giving super power to benefactors, by matching their favorite projects with U.S. taxpayer money?

How might Bilderberg let the air out of the dollar? How might Obama continue steering financial form to benefit the big money boys, like Henry Kravis of KKR, who attended Bilderberg. But those were just ideas at the 2009 gathering.

Bilderberg is a small, flexible, informal and off-the-record international forum in which different viewpoints can be expressed and mutual understanding enhanced.
Gee, that sounds great. For something that wonderful, why do they need an army, navy and air force?

A police officer told the Associated Press (on condition of anonymity): "The resort was being protected by hundreds of police, navy commandos, coast guard speedboats and two F-16 fighter planes." That's right. Two F-16 fighter planes.
Soaring rhetoric and heavy handed, greed fueled reality? No wonder President Obama was a hit at the 2008 Bilderberg meeting. They have something in common.



by PEU Report/State of the Division



http://stateofthedivision.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 31, 2009, 02:05:30 pm








                                      Ex-Goldman & Obama Boys Go Bilderberging






Apparently the world financial crisis was topic #1 at the May 14-17 Bilderberg meeting. It was held on a secluded Greek isle. Reports say the group talked about a global Treasury Department, with the International Monetary Fund performing such a function.

Robert Zoellick, IMF Chief, is an ex-Goldman Sachs man as is Mario Draghi, the head of Italy's Central bank, but also the chair of the Financial Stability Board, a group remaking the global financial system. Both attended the Bilderberg soiree.

President Obama's support for Wall Street types is crystal clear. He had numerous members of his team in attendance at Bilderberg 2009. They include:

General James L. Jones
Richard Holbrooke
Dennis Ross
Henry Kissinger
Keith Sullivan
Tim Geithner
Larry Summers
Paul Volcker
James Steinberg
Paul Wolfowitz

Other American Bilderbergers include:

Robert Kagan
Richard Pearle

David Rockefeller
Henry Kravis
Roger Altman

Vernon Jordan
James Wolfensohn
Barnett Rubin
Donald Graham-WaPo
Fareed Zakaria-Newsweek, CNN


What mischief did they get into? What plans did they make? The transparent and accountable Obama administration will say nothing on the matter. More soaring rhetoric and opaque implementation




http://peureport.blogspot.com/2009/05/ex-goldman-obama-boys-go-bilderberging.html


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Martial Law on May 31, 2009, 02:37:29 pm
Quote
Voting in Chuck Baldwin for President would have been even more effective but you tell Americans how to solve problems and there's a mental disconnect.

Now that these Repubs and Demos are in office they only care about the will of the NWO.  With the exceptions of Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, the other CFR Legislative members are Bilderberg pawns.

Voting in Chuck Baldwin wouldn't have made on whiff of difference.  It is the system that is at fault here, not just the individual politicians.  Each one of them has to compromise what beliefs they have in order to get campaign contributions to get elected. The people who don't do that simply don'e get eleced. 

Money has to be taken out of politics.  That has to be the first objective of anyone - get rid of the lobbyists that are destroying our country.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Serina on May 31, 2009, 02:46:07 pm
Plus Baldwin is a former preacher who is anti-choice, so screw him. 
Unless political parties realize the value of women voters and the importance of CHOICE, they are never going to get new women voters.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on May 31, 2009, 02:50:16 pm










                                                            Thomas Paine 2009

 




VIDEOS:


http://www.route66teaparty.com/Thomas_Paine_2009.html


What would have happened in 1789, 1942 or 9/11 if a top government official stepped in front of the people and publicly proclaimed America was a nation of cowards?  He would have been run out of the country on a rail, packaged and tar and feathered at least. But that’s what happened in 2009 and you did nothing.

Have you become a nation of cowards, America? In the greatest show of arrogance and disdain any congress ever showed any citizenry your dysfunctional elite, self interested non- representing representatives passed the largest spending bill in history without reading it and you did nothing.

You want them to obey your constitutional mandate and secure your borders and they ignore you. You ask them to enforce your immigration laws and they ignore you. You say stop the madness of handing 300 billion dollars of a bankrupted treasury to illegal alien welfare rewarding them for making a mockery of your laws. And they ignore you.  And now in open defiance of the overwhelming will of the people are preparing more amnesty programs. You say stop exploiting my nation’s vital industries to foreign shores and they ignore you.

You say “no” to use your money to bail out failed, corrupt and greedy businesses and they ignore you. You say implement the e-verify system so American jobs go to American workers. And they ignore you.  If your self-serving congress were a business they’d all be in jail now. The biggest traitors among you hold elective office. Only when they feel the wrath of ‘We the People” marching in the streets from California to New York shouting “We’re mad as hell and we want our country back!” will they get the message. They work for you! 

Wake up America! While you were playing with the toys of your consumer wealth you lost much more than your bloated economy of living beyond your means. You lost your representative democracy. Your servants have become your masters. Taxation without representation is tyranny. But still you look to government to solve problems they created in the first place. You’re sucking at the hind teat of a dead cow.

Why isn’t there a 3 million people march on Washington, a nationwide taxpayer’s revolt? Thousands of cars and trucks surrounding your nation’s capitol bringing your failed government to a standstill. Democracy doesn’t repress power, it unleashes it to, ‘We the People”. Take it now. They dictated an economic solution to you. Now it’s time to stick it to them – with the “We the People stimulus package.

Require all laws that apply to the rest of the country to equally apply to congress. Start by first removing the elite privileges that place your non-representing representatives above you, not with you. Require all laws that apply to the rest of the country to equally apply to congress. Repeal congress’ right to vote for their own raises. Balance the federal budget. Force your legislators to do what you now have to do. Live within your means. If you don’t you’re committing national suicide. Make congress pay into the social security system. They make laws for it, now they might be interested in thinking twice before they allow 20 million illegal aliens to reap the benefits of a retirement program the legal citizens paid into all of their lives. Long term power corrupts. Limit congress from serving more than 2 terms. That’s all you give your president. Let them search for their own 401k plan instead of the gross unfairness of awarding them their full salary for the rest of their lives after only serving one term. Stop paying for lawmakers’ insurance premiums. After all they’re only part time employees. They might pass some laws on insurance companies if they had to find one themselves.

Throw out of office every congressman and woman who didn’t bother to read the biggest spending bill in history before they voted for it. With the money you save from all of the above, put it into increased salary and benefits for the men and women of the armed forces. They never fail you. Start with no war unless you intend to win it. Make English the official language of America. You talk of “united we stand” but do nothing to make it happen. Give every legal immigrant a chance to succeed. Not one cent of taxpayer money for illegal aliens. We are a nation of laws and do not reward lawbreakers.

Abolish the Electoral College and put the election of the president back in the hands of “We the People”. Bring back universal service – 2 years in the military or 2 years in community involvement. Insure your future. Rekindle the spirit of America. Service, honor and duty to country.

Give your young people a chance to understand they’re entitled to nothing they haven’t earned.


Wake up, America.


You’ve allowed yourselves to become little more than cowering spectators watching the nation your grandparents built, the richest most powerful self-sufficient republic in history with the highest standard of living any nation ever achieved.

Now in the middle of the greatest unprecedented decline in modern history the world’s only super power can’t defend its borders, balance its budget, win its wars, manufacture its own products or protect its own currency.

Your total government debt obligation in the next several years is approaching the gross domestic product of the entire world. You’ve diminished the future of your children, grandchildren and 10 more generations of Americans.

On September 11, 2001 300 million Americans put aside what divided them and rallied around what united them. You proudly flew your flags. You wore t-shirts that said “These colors don’t run.” Then your leadership told you to do nothing.

Let your professional army do the fighting. Perhaps you learned to do nothing too well. 233 years ago the silent majority in Boston got fed up w/ taxation without representation and held a little tea party to prove the anger of “We the People” is on the march. It started the 1st American Revolution.  Now its time to start the 2nd American Revolution. Take an envelope, put a tea bag inside. Simple. Seal it. Send it to your non representing representative in congress. They’ll get the idea. We’re mad as hell and we want our country back. Look in the mirror. There is your leader. Phone your talk radio host. Call for a tax protest. Set your internet communities on fire with the idea. If you decide to do nothing again, then buy a gun.    You’ll need it!

My name is Thomas Paine. Don’t give up hope America. Your country needs a new greatest generation. Answer the call. Get into the fight. It’s a good time to be a patriot. The 2nd American Revolution has just begun.

 



Send a tea-bag to your employees in the government. For addresses go to:

 


www.house.gov  www.senate.gov

President Barack Obama

THE WHITE HOUSE

1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW

Washington D.C. 20500

Voting in Chuck Baldwin for President would have been even more effective but you tell Americans how to solve problems and there's a mental disconnect.

Now that these Repubs and Demos are in office they only care about the will of the NWO.  With the exceptions of Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, the other CFR Legislative members are Bilderberg pawns.


Stop NWO- by sitting there on a computer? March For Freedom

Body: Again, there is no reason for us to complain about what they are doing if we are not willing to act against it together. Respectfully, that is the truth of the matter and we have to be realistic.
No one but Americans can better express that this game of power is all really about controlling the entire human race and enslaving it through artifical debt created by not just American Elites. But the entire organized banking system of the world.

LOL I hate to say this again but........

We are supporting it everytime we spend a dollar, make a dollar, accumulate debt, and use their resouces.
Why?

Because it's all we know. Since birth and before we were born it has been this way since 1914.
End the Fed. End NWO. End the use of their money.
There simply is another way and we need to discover it without involving politics or hiring agencies to do it for us. Not just America, But Everyone.

Ofcourse I'm saying this to serve no purpose because people are to comfortable with things staying just like they are. Or are they?

Hmmmm
Either way, I'm not and I know alot of people personally that aren't either.
And then there is a network of others who support what we are. Thousands of people literally.
Even ex-soldiers who fought in Iraq who have disclosed things that we all suspected. They confirmed those ideas we all had.
Weapons of mass destruction, my butt. They are coming forward and willing to testify in front of the supreme courts that their mission over there was all a lie. Explain special missions forces being trained to secure ancient sights throughout Iraq and now Iran....

Brother, Sisters the rabbit hole on this is so deep that.........
I'll stop right there.

People have to make up their own minds.
As for myself, I am telling you what is being said among the masses and what I'm seeing out of this chaos. A pattern to it all is emerging and it's pointless to not try for something more then what we are by simply exposing these frauds. Action must be taken now because the window of oppurtunity is closing faster then we think it is and when the hammer falls. I for one am not willing to go into the night defeated by the witt of the devil.

My part is taking place on the 4 of July with or without the support of my community.
They are going to know that atleast I am not being fooled by their lies anymore and that I am telling them I know. If death is all I am to know then I will live on now, telling everyone I can possibly tell that we don't have to sit here and take this outrage any longer.

((((Hugs))))
Yes my dear friend, this is what they do.
And this is why I am going to protest it on this nation's birthday.
They exploit the advantage of super-secret organized crime.

I am going to Exploit the word about it. Period!
Even if 20 marchers show and march that 3 mile walk. Banners flying and signs in the air.
The local news will be airing it, and friends of mine here in town are going to YouTube it......
People one way or the other are going to atleast hear about it and see it.

If the cops end up involved, I had instructed the camera friends to focas the cameras on everything they do.


Technically, we are not breaking any laws by rallying. We are protected still under the bill of rights. I'm going to just do it.
I also took the measure of inviting Alex Jones. LOL
Now I can't say for sure that he will come.

However I plastered it on his comments to his myspace profile, and I posted the invite message.
I am also contacting local AM radio the week of and informing them of what we're doing and why. We are change ladies and gentalmen, And if we don't stand up to these bullies. No one else will either. I feel really good about what I'm trying to do and if all of these things are true or not. Everyone deserves to know for sure what the truth really is about everything.
I am not going to run and hide. I am not going to continue just accepting that this is the way it is.

I feel that it's time to stand up to this monster and stop it before it has a chance to succeed more then it already has in the way it brain-washed us all into this sick and twisted plan for global domination. We have all been fooled and now it's time to tell the others out there that they have been too.


I am not affraid of what this all may bring because the more they act against it the more they reveal the unjust qualities of this corruption. The more they expose the very truth they are suppressing. No matter what is or isn't accomplished by this simple March. People are going to atleast hear why it happened and that is all that needs to happen.
From there, people can make their own decision about it. Hopefully their will be a second annual March of Freedom next year with a bigger crowd.



In kind- It doesn't have to be only myself in this forum that does something of this kind. If enough cities did this on the forth of July, it would make national news.
Seriously!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on May 31, 2009, 04:17:37 pm





HFN,

There are a lot of "Tea Parties" planned for the 4th of July throughout the country


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"The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of Patriots and tyrants.

It is a natural manure."


~Thomas Jefferson


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on May 31, 2009, 06:59:51 pm
Then let us not miss a singal measure.

"Don't give up the ship"



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Jami Ferrina on June 01, 2009, 12:49:23 am
Hey guys,

The problem with the "tea parties" is that they often end up, more often than not, as racist anti-Obama demonstrations.

Look, the system is broken, but it was broken long before he got there. 

So why wait till now to protest?  Don 't tell me that people just now woke up to the fact that the government is controlled by money, that they are after your civil liberties, shipping your jobs overseas and raising your taxes.  All that stuff happened under Bush, in fact, it was a lot worse then, and you sure didn't see any tea-bagging protests then.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 01, 2009, 03:06:43 am
I'm Canadian, but I have to say, I was going to post pretty much the same thing as Jami did.  It's like you were all under mass hypnosis or something when Bush was in power, and when he started taking away your rights, and basically totally ignoring your constitution, where were you guys?  For heavens sake, the man is trying his best to help you, and you will cut off your noses to spite your faces because you're prejudiced.  Un-flippin-believeable.  Obama has inherited a huge mess.  Don't try to tell us that any of you could have done a better job than what he's doing right now because I doubt there's very many leaders in the whole world who can manage ALL the problems he's up against.  You people have to let him know what you want and you have to help develop a plan to make it happen.  You can't just sit here and lay blame on the man when none of it is his fault, and you can't expect him to fix everything all by himself.  Get working as a team people and get over the fact he's not white.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 01, 2009, 01:36:20 pm
Hey guys,

The problem with the "tea parties" is that they often end up, more often than not, as racist anti-Obama demonstrations.

Look, the system is broken, but it was broken long before he got there. 

So why wait till now to protest?  Don 't tell me that people just now woke up to the fact that the government is controlled by money, that they are after your civil liberties, shipping your jobs overseas and raising your taxes.  All that stuff happened under Bush, in fact, it was a lot worse then, and you sure didn't see any tea-bagging protests then.


No matter who's responsible for what happened and still is happening. We have to atleast warn those out there who have no clue about this stuff. And Alex Jones was out there during the Bush reign, and was shouting out to everyone that 911 was an inside job.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 01, 2009, 01:45:22 pm
What we have here is a misunderstanding of how politics work friends.

Say the slash "/" is republicans.
This Arrow is the resistance, --->>>

Now how could one singal part of a global plan hold up once the resistance came whipping through.

Same can be said for Democrats or "\"

Exuse the crudeness of these symbols.
Now let's put Republican and democratic parties together on this plan.


/\   ;)  (http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:dTxcd-vR3s8dVM:http://www.newworldordercafe.com/Graphics/NO-NWO_01.gif)

Now you have a foundation on which you can send many waves of nonconformists that can withstand the constant assalt.



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 01, 2009, 01:52:40 pm




As for:


"....... get over the fact he's not white."

and calling people who criticizw "TheOne":



                                                         R   A   C   I   S   T


FUNNY......

I NEVER think of his skin colour until some people bring it up.......

I wish that


                                                              THAT 


were all that is NOT right!!!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 01, 2009, 03:49:11 pm
Hey guys,

The problem with the "tea parties" is that they often end up, more often than not, as racist anti-Obama demonstrations.

Look, the system is broken, but it was broken long before he got there. 

So why wait till now to protest?  Don 't tell me that people just now woke up to the fact that the government is controlled by money, that they are after your civil liberties, shipping your jobs overseas and raising your taxes.  All that stuff happened under Bush, in fact, it was a lot worse then, and you sure didn't see any tea-bagging protests then.

I love Black people.
I just think that Obama is as much a lier as Bush.
However dear, you are entitles to what you think. While your at it, there is a spot in line for the FEMA camp near you.

Go Volunteer! LOL


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 01, 2009, 04:16:01 pm





People who fling the word



                                                    R   A   C   I   S   T



around so easily must have a


                                           VERY STRONG GUILTY COMPLEX.....


Thankfully, I have NO such handicaps.  I am an immigrant and my people haven't owned slaves
for almost TWO millennia.   No guilt there for me.

Second, living in a HUD facility for the Disabled (50 to 75% Black, at times) for the last ten years,
I am colour-blind or, if I quite wasn't before I moved here, I am now. 

If, at my age, I haven't been able to take my fellow men (and women) for what they individually are,
my life was a failure.

We are on the verge of being separated because the greedy government sold our building for plenty
of $$$$.  It's like breaking up a family or little tribe.  Some of us have been here so long, together!
Fortunately, a handful of us are going to the same place.

I wouldn't have been able to have gone through my recent bereavement without them....

And you bet your bottom dollar that I have ALWAYS been there for them too when they were in need.


HOW MANY OF YOU CAN SAY THE SAME?


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 01, 2009, 04:59:56 pm
What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

James 2:14-17

This is what motivates one to act. I am telling people that I am here to help.
Well, action must manifest itself in my words.

No president can claim such a thing as we know their words are empty and without meaning to our reality.
We must stand together, and help one another because we know that no one else is going to do this besides us. Perhaps then a trend can happen that will benefit everyone.



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 01, 2009, 06:34:11 pm







                                     Obama's Freedom to Shut Down the Internet







A bill in Congress allows the President of the United States to shut down the internet in a cybersecurity crisis. President Barack Obama could turn off the internet information commons. What might it look like when he turns it back on? Will it remove any offensive information? Will citizens have to pay for content? Will it be taxed?

Here's an odd sentence in the bill:



SEC. 18. CYBERSECURITY RESPONSIBILITIES AND AUTHORITY.

The President--

(11) shall notify the Congress within 48 hours after providing a cyber-related certification of legality to a United States person.


What is a "cyber-related certification of legality to a U.S. person"? It's not included in the definitions section.



Posted by PEU Report/State of the Division


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: unknown on June 02, 2009, 12:57:02 pm
I just watched Volitzer's video, The Money Masters. It's the one with lindburgh on the screen, this was a great video, very informative.

P. S. I want some of those Green back dollars, and hey I always like silver better than gold any way.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 03, 2009, 06:30:38 am
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20090601/i/r3850659215.jpg?x=400&y=289&q=85&sig=Caj1dImajdw2RDxlBbSfMg--)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 03, 2009, 01:13:49 pm
I just watched Volitzer's video, The Money Masters. It's the one with lindburgh on the screen, this was a great video, very informative.

P. S. I want some of those Green back dollars, and hey I always like silver better than gold any way.

That's great news, now go and tell a few more people about the film.  Something not mentioned in the film is the fact that the Constitution Party wants to shut down the Federal-Reserve and just have the Treasury issue debt-free currency.  8)

We don't have to live with the corruption of fractional reserve banking.  The more people that know about it and the fact that more money is owed than is issued thereby insuring debt-slavery the better informed people will be when electing their leaders.  8)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 03, 2009, 05:24:53 pm
I just contacted our State Rep Kathy D.
I'm volunteering to man the phones for HR 1207.

 ;) Activist Status.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 03, 2009, 06:02:25 pm







                                                                  "A World of Ideas"




by Anne Wortham


By Dani from Saint Charles, IL -
Mar 10th, 2009 at 10:53 am EDT 


 I urge all of you to read the whole article.

Anne Wortham is Associate Professor of Sociology at Illinois State University and continuing Visiting Scholar at Stanford University's Hoover Institution.  She is a member of the American Sociological Association and the American Philosophical Association.  She has been a John M. Olin Foundation Faculty Fellow, and honored as a Distinguished Alumni of the Year by the National Association for Equal Opportunity in Higher Education.  In fall 1988 she was one of a select group of intellectuals who were featured in Bill Moyer's television series,   The transcript of her conversation with Moyers has been published in his book, A World of Ideas.  Dr. Wortham is author of The Other Side of Racism: A Philosophical Study of Black Race Consciousness which analyzes how race consciousness is transformed into political strategies and policy issues.  She has published numerous articles on the implications of individual rights for civil rights policy, and is currently writing a book on theories of social and cultural marginality.  Recently, she has published articles on the significance of multiculturalism and Afrocentricism in education, the politics of victimization and the social and political impact of political correctness.  Shortly after an interview in 2004 she was awarded tenure.
 


This article by her is something else.






                                                                    No He Can't






by Anne Wortham



Fellow Americans,

Please know: I am black; I grew up in the segregated South.  I did not vote for Barack Obama; I wrote in Ron Paul's name as my choice for president.  Most importantly, I am not race conscious.  I do not require a black president to know that I am a person of worth, and that life is worth living.  I do not require a black president to love the ideal of America.
 
I cannot join you in your celebration.  I feel no elation.  There is no smile on my face.  I am not jumping with joy.  There are no tears of triumph in my eyes.  For such emotions and behavior to come from me, I would have to deny all that I know about the requirements of human flourishing and survival - all that I know about the history of the United States of America, all that I know about American race relations, and all that I know about Barack Obama as a politician.   I would have to deny the nature of the "change" that Obama asserts has come to America.  Most importantly, I would have to abnegate my certain understanding that you have chosen to sprint down the road to serfdom that we have been on for over a century.  I would have to pretend that individual liberty has no value for the success of a human life.  I would have to evade your rejection of the slender reed of capitalism on which your success and mine depend.  I would have to think it somehow rational that 94 percent of the 12 million blacks in this country voted for a man because he looks like them (that blacks are permitted to play the race card), and that they were joined by self-declared "progressive" whites who voted for him because he doesn't look like them.  I would have to wipe my mind clean of all that I know about the kind of people who have advised and taught Barack Obama and will fill posts in his administration - political intellectuals like my former colleagues at the Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government.

I would have to believe that "fairness" is the equivalent of justice.  I would have to believe that man who asks me to "go forward in a new spirit of service, in a new service of sacrifice" is speaking in my interest.  I would have to accept the premise of a man that economic prosperity comes from the "bottom up," and who arrogantly believes that he can will it into existence by the use of government force.  I would have to admire a man who thinks the standard of living of the masses can be improved by destroying the most productive and the generators of wealth.
 
Finally, Americans, I would have to erase from my consciousness the scene of 125,000 screaming, crying, cheering people in Grant Park, Chicago irrationally chanting "Yes We Can!"  Finally, I would have to wipe all memory of all the times I have heard politicians, pundits, journalists, editorialists, bloggers and intellectuals declare that capitalism is dead - and no one, including especially Alan Greenspan, objected to their assumption that the particular version of the anti-capitalistic mentality that they want to replace with their own version of anti-capitalism is anything remotely equivalent to capitalism.
 
So you have made history, Americans.  You and your children have elected a black man to the office of the president of the United States, the wounded giant of the world.  The battle between John Wayne and Jane Fonda is over - and that Fonda won.  Eugene McCarthy and George McGovern must be very happy men.  Jimmie Carter, too.  And the Kennedys have at last gotten their Kennedy look-a-like.  The self-righteous welfare statists in the suburbs can feel warm moments of satisfaction for having elected a black person.  So, toast yourselves: 60s countercultural radicals, 80s yuppies and 90s bourgeois bohemians.  Toast yourselves, Black America.  Shout your glee Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Duke, Stanford, and Berkeley.  You have elected not an individual who is qualified to be president, but a black man who, like the pragmatist Franklin Roosevelt, promises to - Do Something!  You now have someone who has picked up the baton of Lyndon Johnson's Great Society. But you have also foolishly traded your freedom and mine - what little there is left - for the chance to feel good.

There is nothing in me that can share your happy obliviousness.



http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/danistevens/gGxNhh


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 04, 2009, 12:15:52 pm
Too bad the majority of Black-America doesn't think this way.

We got Black-Americans here in Florida who have wear Obama T-Shirts who have no idea that he is selling out the country.   ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 04, 2009, 05:32:58 pm
Here would make a great T-shirt idea.

(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn180/4chanRus/LOL%20worthy/1214193905591.jpg)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 04, 2009, 07:40:00 pm






HFN,

If it weren't so tragic, I'd be



                                                         ROTFLMAO!!!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 04, 2009, 10:45:38 pm
Whoever this Anne Wortham is, and however much education she has, that little essay said nothing as far as I can figure out.  All it said was that she didn't vote for Obama and I'm sure there were others that didn't either.  So What?  Does that make her a heroine or something?  Did you even watch TV when he was speaking in Egypt?  They received him well over there.  Does that make every Egyptian some kind of conspirator or something?  The whole friggin world can see that this man has taken on a world problem in the hopes of being able to right some terrible wrongs that have been done in the past and are continuing to cripple the American nation today.  God Forbid that that silly old fart than ran against him had won.  What in hell would you people be doing now?  McCain is a war monger and he would not have tried to negotiate peace with anyone.  Your country would have been plunged into a war of no return and it would have developed into World War 3.  Have you seen what China is up to lately?  That should scare the crap out of you.  One wrong word and China will be on your doorstep and you won't have a hope in hell of "talking" then.  They won't even let the people who are grieving, put flowers on Tinnamen Square.  Hello!!! Wake up America.  Someone has GOT to try to find a way to world peace here.  Never mind the fear mongering about a one world order or a New World order or whatever the hell you want to call it.  Your New World Order is not coming from President Obama.  It will come in the form of a Red Army speaking Chinese.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Clash on June 04, 2009, 11:50:10 pm
Here would make a great T-shirt idea.

(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn180/4chanRus/LOL%20worthy/1214193905591.jpg)

Only if you're into racism.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Clash on June 04, 2009, 11:54:52 pm
Ann Wortham is a total idiot. She's black and didn't vote for him because she thinks Obama will bring about the end of capitalism?

Well, to hell with capitalism, what has it ever done but increase the bottom line of the filthy rich upper 2%? 

How many of you have ever gotten rich from capitalism?  The Cold War, Communism, all of it is just a kabuki dance to get you to stay in the rat race, as you endure booms and busts, downsizing, "free" trade, outsourcing, corporate greed and deregulation.

Other countries, SOCIALIST countries actually take care of their citizens.  Because they know without them, their country cannot long last.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 04, 2009, 11:58:44 pm
George Bush sold out your country a long time ago.  George Bush took away a bunch of your constitutional rights.  Why try to blame Mr. Obama for what Bush did?  Why didn't you scream and the top of your lungs back when it was all happening?  Why now?  What you're basically saying here - is that it was ok for George Bush to screw you over because he was white.  You sucked up the crap when he said it was for security reasons that the cops can search your house if they feel like it and use some sick excuse like they THOUGHT you were a terrorist.  Why didn't you blast Bush then?  It's ok to get screwed by a white guy, and it's not ok for a black guy to try to help you out of the mess the white guy made.  Sick.

If Ron Paul is such a hero - why isn't he president?


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Drifter on June 05, 2009, 01:44:44 am
Quote
What you're basically saying here - is that it was ok for George Bush to screw you over because he was white.

That is about the size of it, yep.  There are even people here blaming Obama for carrying on some Bush policies when they didn't even raise an objection to them when they were first happening!

And Ron Paul is a lunatic, followed by even bigger lunatics (who don't want to pay any taxes).  If they want a government with no influence over their citizens, here's some advice:  go to Somalia!  Put that guy in charge and things would really go to hell. You'd see a Depression worse than the 1930s.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 05, 2009, 11:44:21 pm
Okay for all you newbies here both Bush and Obama work for the Bilderbergers.

The Bilderbergers have a neo-feudalism agenda planned for America.

These films prove it.

The Obama Deception

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7535755025025800195


The Money Masters.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936&q=The+money+changers&ei=Zd4QSMjvB47YqAKQtJmzBA


Endgame

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261&q=Endgame+&ei=1t4QSPaoB5q2rAKJzaywBA



As for Ron Paul he alogn with many others know the 16th Amendment wasn't properly ratified and that income taxes are un-Constitutional.

16th Amendment improperly ratified.‏

This is my absolute favorite anti-income-tax argument. Most claims that Americans aren't required to pay income tax rely on legal interpretations so tortured only a tax resister could possibly believe them. But the Ohio thing has just enough plausibility to give even sane people pause.
It all started when Ohio was preparing to celebrate the 150th anniversary of its admission to the Union in 1953. Researchers looking for the original statehood documents discovered there'd been a little oversight. While Congress had approved Ohio's boundaries and constitution, it had never passed a resolution formally admitting the future land of the Buckeyes. Technically, therefore, Ohio was not a state.
Predictably, when this came to light it was the subject of much merriment. One senator joshingly suggested that his colleagues from Ohio were drawing federal paychecks under false pretenses.
But Ohio congressman George Bender thought it was no laughing matter. He introduced a bill in Congress to admit Ohio to the Union retroactive to March 1, 1803. At a special session at the old state capital in Chillicothe the Ohio state legislature approved a new petition for statehood that was delivered to Washington on horseback. Congress subsequently passed a joint resolution, and President Eisenhower, after a few more jokes, signed it on August 7, 1953.
But then the tax resisters got to work. They argued that since Ohio wasn't officially a state until 1953, its ratification of the 16th Amendment in 1911 was invalid, and thus Congress had no authority to enact an income tax.
Baloney, argued rational folk. A sufficient number of states voted for ratification even if you don't count Ohio.
OK, said the resisters, but the proposed amendment had been introduced to Congress by the administration of William H. Taft. Taft had been born in Cincinnati, Ohio, in 1857. The Constitution requires that presidents be natural-born citizens of the United States. Since Ohio was not a state in 1857, Taft was not a natural-born citizen, could not legally be president, and could not legally introduce the 16th Amendment. (Presumably one would also have problems with anything done by presidents Grant, Hayes, Garfield, B. Harrison, McKinley, and Harding, who were also born in Ohio.)
Get off it, the rationalists replied. The 1953 resolution retroactively admitted Ohio as of 1803, thereby rendering all subsequent events copacetic.
Uh-uh, said the resisters. The constitution says the Congress shall make no ex post facto law. That means no retroactive admissions to statehood.
Uh, we'll get back to you on that, said the rationalists.
A call to the IRS elicited the following official statement: "The courts have . . . rejected claims that the Sixteenth Amendment . . . was not properly ratified. . . . In Porth v. Brodrick, 214 F.2d 925 (10th Circuit 1954), the court dismissed an attack on the Sixteenth Amendment as being 'clearly unsubstantial and without merit,' as well as 'far fetched and frivolous.'"
Just one problem. The Porth decision didn't specifically address the Ohio argument. It just sort of spluttered that attacks on the 16th Amendment were stupid.
OK, they're stupid. But great matters have turned on seemingly sillier points of law. It's not like the Ohio argument couldn't have been defeated on the merits. One suspects that from a legal standpoint "ex post facto" doesn't mean exactly the same thing as "retroactive." And of course the weight of 150 years of history, during which time everyone thought Ohio had been properly admitted, ought to count for something.
I'm not defending the crackpots. But if you're a parent you recognize that "because I said so" isn't much of an argument. Guess it's different if you're a judge.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 05, 2009, 11:46:41 pm
Both the Democrats and the Republicans take their orders from Bilderberg which is why you never see any 3rd, 4th or 5th party get any media coverage in the Bilderberg Media Complex.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 09, 2009, 07:16:12 am








                                                        Obama, a “Sort of God”?






Peter Wehner -
06.08.2009 -

On Friday evening Newsweek editor Evan Thomas had an extraordinary exchange with MSNBC’s Chris Matthews. Thomas, commenting on Obama’s Cairo speech, said, “I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above — above the world, he’s sort of God.” And when Thomas was asked by Matthews, “Reagan and World War II and the sense of us as the good guys in the world, how are we doing?” Thomas replied:

Well, we were the good guys in 1984, it felt that way. It hasn’t felt that way in recent years. So Obama’s had, really, a different task. We’re seen too often as the bad guys. And he — he has a very different job from — Reagan was all about America, and you talked about it. Obama is “we are above that now.” We’re not just parochial, we’re not just chauvinistic, we’re not just provincial.

These comments reveal several notable things.

The first is that it is now impossible to mock the media’s adoration for Obama. In the past, if conservatives had said that MSM commentators viewed Obama as God, people would have assumed they were exaggerating in order to make a point. But in this instance, there is no exaggeration; Thomas stated that Obama is “sort of God.” It appears as if in their unguarded moments, Thomas and those like him really do view Obama as the Anointed One, a political Messiah, not only a gift from heaven but the Creator of Heaven and Earth.

Keep in mind that Thomas is viewed as a serious journalist for what was once seen as a serious mainstream publication: Newsweek. Now Newsweek long ago set aside any pretense of objectivity when it came to Obama; every week it takes up palm branches for him. Still, it is a bit jarring to see the bias so obvious, so up front, so proudly out in the open. In that respect, Thomas’s comments are useful; they reveal a cast of mind that no one can now deny.

No political figure in modern American history has been so adored by the press. JFK came closest — but even he was not deified, even in death. The depth and intensity of the passion for Obama among the press is something young children need to be shielded from.

A second thing to note in Thomas’s comments is his assertion that “we [the United States] were the good guys in 1984, it felt that way.” Well, it might have felt that way to many conservatives. But to many liberals, it was actually something very nearly the opposite. It’s worth reminding those on the Left with selective memories that Reagan was mocked and ridiculed as a dangerous figure, trigger-happy, a war-monger, reckless and provocative. His support for the Nicaraguan contras, his build-up of America’s defense, the installation of Cruise and Pershing missiles in Europe to counteract the Soviet deployment of SS-20s, and Reagan’s talk about the Soviet Union as an “evil empire” unnerved and infuriated liberals.

“I wonder how many people, reading about the [”evil empire”] speech or seeing bits on television, really noticed its outrageous character,” Anthony Lewis wrote in the New York Times in March 1983. “Primitive: that is the only word for it. … What is the world to think when the greatest of powers is led by a man who applies to the most difficult human problem a simplistic theology — one in fact rejected by most theologians?… What must the leaders of Western Europe think of such a speech? They look to the head of the alliance for rhetoric that can persuade them and their constituents. What they get from Ronald Reagan is a mirror image of crude Soviet rhetoric. And it is more than rhetoric: everyone must sense that. The real Ronald Reagan was speaking in Orlando. The exaggeration and the simplicities are there not only in the rhetoric but in the process by which he makes decisions.”

Commentators like Lewis and magazines like Newsweek had contempt for Reagan’s approach; it is only now, after history has vindicated him, that we’re supposed to believe we all supported Reagan and that Americans were seen as “the good guys.”

A third important thing to take away from Thomas’s comments is why Obama is so beloved by some reporters and commentators. Reagan, Thomas says, was “all about America.” But Obama is “above that now.” He is “standing above the country” he was elected to represent. And in doing so, we’re not just “parochial, we’re not just chauvinistic, we’re not just provincial.”

That is an extremely and probably unintentionally revealing set of comments by Mr. Thomas. For the president to speak on behalf of his nation as Reagan spoke up for America is viewed as unsophisticated, narrow-minded, and bigoted. Obama, in the eyes of his supporters, has transcended such things. According to the logic of Thomas, Obama deserves to be praised precisely because he does not, in the first instance, represent America. At his best, Obama is a “citizen of the world,” standing “above the country.”

Some of us have a different, quainter notion of such things. We believe America is, in the words of Lincoln, an “inestimable jewel” — an imperfect and extraordinary nation that deserves our affection and deepest attachment. We believe, as Lincoln and the founders did, that the fate of this republic is inextricably tied to the principles upon which it was founded. We actually do not want our President to “stand above the country.” And we do not believe it is particularly sophisticated to disparage as chauvinistic and provincial those who speak up for her. Nor, I might add, do we view Obama as “sort of God,” or anything close to God. The fact that Evan Thomas and those who view the world as he does, do see Obama in supernatural terms tells you everything you need to know, and probably nothing you didn’t know.



http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/wehner/68902


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 09, 2009, 07:19:39 am
(http://hiscrivener.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/obama-messiah.jpg)








IRONY:



That's how this thread got started.

I guess I wasn't too far off the mark. 

Now Obama's minions are declaring him GOD outright, on national TV....



http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,17753.0.html


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 09, 2009, 09:18:37 am
O for pity's sake!  One person in the media makes public remarks about the President, and all of a sudden the president is "god", is "above his country".  Bull crap.

If anything, it seems to me that these people in the media are held as "gods" since it seems people hang on their every word.  President Obama has never done anything but indicate he wants to help his troubled country.  To do that he has a war he inherited that he has to try to figure out how to end it.  As was said before he got elected, he cannot just pick up the phone and tell his generals to can it, and come home.  For some reason, it has to take time.  He is trying to satisfy too many people at once basically.  Y'all want miracles and when he tries to actually find a way, you jab at him and stick him with labels with antagonistic intent behind the words - messiah. 

As I've said before, Jesus was not white.  He was an arab. Think about it.  What white men were there living in that neck of the woods in the days of Jesus?     So if he was to come again, do you think he'd even WANT to be white with this kind of attitude in the world?  Even if he really was the messiah - so what?  Did the Bible not say he would not be recognized any more this time than he was last time? 

I'm not saying President Obama is the messiah.  I'm saying he's a man that's seen the struggle of the poor, has worked hard to be where he is and understands what his country needs.  Trouble is.  If he was a dictator, he'd be able to help his country because he has the right ideas and attitude.  It's all those other nay-sayers that put stumbling blocks in his way.  Being president is a learning experience.  One person can not know everything.  That's why there are so many others in the government and why there is delegation of duties to others.  But he is the first President in my lifetime that has made an effort to keep in touch with the public that put him where he is and explaines what it is he is trying to do. 

Pictures with captions like that one - Obamamessia are facetious, childish and petty.  It speaks highly of jealously and a cynical attitude that does border on racism whether one denies they are racist or not.  What good comes of these attitudes?  How does the country benefit from this attitude?  Is this helping your elected president to help the country?  President Obama is obviously talking to a group of young people and reaching out to someone farther at the back.  One person in the front row is looking down and from that we get some cleve puss putting a name to the picture probably as a facetious joke, and the cry is taken up. 

It would not be "Obama's minions" who would post a thing like that, but someone who is ridiculing the faith others have in him to be a good leader.



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Wind on June 09, 2009, 11:00:00 am
Quote
O for pity's sake!  One person in the media makes public remarks about the President, and all of a sudden the president is "god", is "above his country".  Bull crap.

I dont know Qoais, to the Egyptians Pharaoh was a god ;D  LOL


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Wind on June 09, 2009, 11:08:23 am
Quote
As I've said before, Jesus was not white.  He was an arab. Think about it.  What white men were there living in that neck of the woods in the days of Jesus?

Every Jew that I’ve ever Known was white and had curly dark hair and beard. and had a big nose ;D

I'm not prejudice against Jews I'm just describing what my close friend looks like ;) HEE HEE HEE.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 09, 2009, 11:39:23 am
If Chuck Baldwin was elected the Federal-Reserve would be history by now and we would be well on our way to an economic recovery.

But since young people and minorities are politically and economically ignorant they continue to be exploited, but you can't be bothered with that now gotta apply for that new 2nd job.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 09, 2009, 05:04:26 pm
I am so sorry for what I'm about to say everyone.
However, I'm going to say it anyways.

On one hand we have those who support Obama. On the other hand we have those who are completely against him. Then we have those who could care less.
Question is; What the debate here?

Those who oppose Obama have been telling his supporters one thing. The other side is telling the opposers how wonderful he is.

It all is going in circles and nothing is being accomplished. We are for the most part, smart people.
Right?



Well if nothing is going any where by debate, then it stands to reason that what we are doing is pointless.
It's one thing to express an idea or feeling you might have about something in particular.
Yet I fail to see what the prize is here by debating something that is a difference of opinion.
 ::)

Look, I love coming here and talking to all of you.
I enjoy the discussions in this forum a whole bunch.
As for the politics; No one is going to reach an end to the debate on this because everyone is pretty well set in what they do beleive and nothing is going to change anyone's minds here about all of this.

I guess if preaching to deaf ears on both sides of this is all we can accomplish. Then we are truely defeating our own purposes. Why don't we just do a poll on it and call it a day.

Should we;

Impeach Obama
Worship Obama
Undecided

Atleast then we can show, using raw data what the majority thinks.
It seems like a more productive thing to do then sit here and push our own individual sides of this debate to accomplish nada, zip, zilch.......


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 09, 2009, 05:12:09 pm





Really?



I like it the way it is.

I just like to voice my opinion.  If people don't like it, and I have been told upthread that
there is no room for the likes of me here...

                         (BTW, BEFORE THEY WENT BACK AND CHANGED IT......)

That's too bad.

I'll keep on doing it until I am BANNED.....


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 09, 2009, 06:00:28 pm
Path: Blog » O.T.O


 

                             Was I member in O.T.O ?

Couple of months ago I created an account on My Space .Uploaded some songs and
videos. Two months ago I uploaded video "Welcome to my madness" in which I made
bridge between Hitler and Stalin. Well, it was on My Space for two hours and
then disappeared.
I uploaded it again two times without result.
"The boys from Israel" or Metacafe at list send me the message that they don't will
accept the video because they think It is not suitable for their viewers! So...OK.
The more Christian crap the better !
But from My Space I didn't even get the message .
Well, three weeks ago they (My Space) totally deleted my account!
Tell me about the Illuminati job David Icke! Or maybe It was
Skull & Bones ?
No, it was common, soul ugly schmucks who likes The CrapCroppers, the name I
chose to call Jerry Springer and the rest in one of my videos. Maybe It was
a Jewish conspiration ? Who knows? Jerry is a Jew, maybe very powerful
member of ?
However, the point is that you can`t change anything on this planet and make it better.
Those people on MY Space should supported me in my try to fight the crap not opposite.
It is amazing how many gurdians of devil exists here who believes in Jesus.
I addressed this to you David Icke because I saw some of your conspirations stuff and find
it quite ridiculous .
First I have right to masturbate on the way I like. Shell I do this together with my friends or alone
or in some organisations like Skull & Bones it is my private matter. Some people fucks up there on
10 000 meter height, so why some shouldn't have a right to masturbate down there together?
Club is a club .Symbols are just symbols.
I can also translate the Rolling Stones tongue like the form of mockery and derision
to us who paid huge money for their tickets .Why not ?
I think it is the best if you take your camera and wait somewhere to get the pictures of George Bush
when he turns into an alligator! It should be the great proof. By the way did you
know George Bush was that alligator who attacked Linda Kozlowski in the first Crocodile Dundee ?
At that time he was working at CIA so he was in Australia on the mission.
To have some fun he decided to participate in the movie which I would also do. Linda was hot hot hot !
So here is the "inside information" and all you have to do is just to prove that alligator
was  George Bush .It is so simple ! Like taking the picture of Loch Ness.
What is a point? Its not George Bush ,Illuminati ,Skulls & Bones and all those other organisations
who are responsible for the hell on this planet !
Those who deleted my account on My Space are that !Those brainless soulless MTV
idiots who are among us! Billions of them are creators of the hell on this planet!
Not bloody "The Beast ".The man simply loved the devil and that was all.
No.I am not the son of Frater H .
Those soul ugly people among us , same people who sold and crucified Jesus is
still in charge and more greedy then ever!
Don't worry ,they will also try to crucify me.What was that from My Space?
And I didn`t even start my career as a superhero Hygienic 9.9 !
**** tribal behaviour!
When I moved to the Internet couple of years ago the place was nice and clean .
You could walk around, get inside out see really good things ,learn something .
Today is the garbage everywhere !
How long it took for humans to destroy even this world ? Ten years ?
What kind of world you think that bloody mass deserve ?
So...you and your bodies think that Illuminati and Skull & Bones will soon go around and kill
every baby in order to stop the new Jesus ?It is to late ! I am already here !
I tricked them choosing one of those underprivileged countries to be born and get
inside them like a Trojan ! Now I told you too much !
However I`ll tell you one more thing in order to confirm my identity :
Jesus never said forgive them father …….. He said :
Don't forgive them father they knew what they do !

                Your brother by the race
                               
                                 Hypnoticcus

 

                                         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we_czU9sJ3g&feature=channel



 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 09, 2009, 06:05:03 pm
I like it the way it is now too.  Why would anyone want to do either/or?  Why just impeach or worship?  Why not just simply back your president who is trying his damndest to straighten out one hell of a mess?

If what we're doing here is pointless, why do we have a forum at all?  The whole thing is to discuss different subjects.  Everyone has an opinion of those subjects.  

What is a god  Wind?  I always wondered who started the word :)  What does it mean?  The Christians follow a god that supposedly ordered Moses to build an Arc of the Covenant and use it to kill everything in his path, a god that plays favorites with his children and pits them against each other.  The Egyptians now, they believed their god/pharoah was more benevolent.  He was wise, he taught them things, he looked after them.  So what exactly is a god?  Does it mean they don't die?  But the Christian god leading Moses died.  He stopped communicating with the people and the Arc of the Covenent was stolen and that was the name of that tune.  Pharoah dies, yet he's still a god.  

We in the modern world, don't use that term anymore, but if we did, President Obama would probably be considered a "god" in that he is charismatic, people immediately gravitate towards his sincerity, and he is determined to help his country and his people.  We might call that a great leader - although he hasn't had time yet to get much done.  His intentions are good, but I think the hidden powers that really rule the world, will or have already, taken him aside and said look here buddy, this is how it is and you'll stay withing the guidelines we give you or you're outta here.  His idealism will wear down and he will be gray before his term is finished.  

I know some Jewish folks also, and their skin is much darker than mine.  They do have blue eyes, but they have black hair and dark skin.  I guess compared to President Obama, they're still considered "white".  However, "Jew" is a religion, not a nationality.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 09, 2009, 07:08:24 pm







NOW, THIS I LIKE!!!






                                                 Obamas To Meet Harry Potter


 
                                           Michelle Obama, girls on tour of London







09 Jun 2009
By FRANK CARNEVALE
(MYFOX NATIONAL)

- Following their Sunday spent shopping and sightseeing in Paris, Michelle Obama and her two daughters Sasha and Malia made a surprise visit to London including a stop at a traditional English
pub for fish and chips.

The First Lady and girls had a whirlwind visit of London although details of the trip have been scarce. Katie McCormick-Lelyveld, spokeswoman for the First Lady, refused go into the presidential family's itinerary . "The First Lady is in London with the girls but they are on private schedule," she said. "No details will be provided."

But many English media sources are reporting that the trio had dinner at a restaurant named The Audley. The Daily Mail reports that the girls ordered fish and chips while their mother opted for sirloin steak.

And The Mail reports that Tuesday the Obamas will visits the set of the latest Harry Potter movie.
The girls, both avid Potter fans, are expected to meet Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and the other stars of the movie.

The BBC reported that they also visited Big Ben on Monday

The Associated Press reported that British Prime Minister Gordon Brown's office said Michelle Obama
had a private meeting with Sarah Brown, the prime minister's wife, at 10 Downing Street. She did not meet with the prime minister.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 09, 2009, 07:28:51 pm





WOW....JUST WOW:


From my 'neck of the woods' - this poor guy was lucky!


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,18952.new.html#top


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 09, 2009, 07:54:38 pm
I like it the way it is now too.  Why would anyone want to do either/or?  Why just impeach or worship?  Why not just simply back your president who is trying his damndest to straighten out one hell of a mess?

If what we're doing here is pointless, why do we have a forum at all?  The whole thing is to discuss different subjects.  Everyone has an opinion of those subjects.  


What is a god  Wind?  I always wondered who started the word :)  What does it mean?  The Christians follow a god that supposedly ordered Moses to build an Arc of the Covenant and use it to kill everything in his path, a god that plays favorites with his children and pits them against each other.  The Egyptians now, they believed their god/pharoah was more benevolent.  He was wise, he taught them things, he looked after them.  So what exactly is a god?  Does it mean they don't die?  But the Christian god leading Moses died.  He stopped communicating with the people and the Arc of the Covenent was stolen and that was the name of that tune.  Pharoah dies, yet he's still a god.  

We in the modern world, don't use that term anymore, but if we did, President Obama would probably be considered a "god" in that he is charismatic, people immediately gravitate towards his sincerity, and he is determined to help his country and his people.  We might call that a great leader - although he hasn't had time yet to get much done.  His intentions are good, but I think the hidden powers that really rule the world, will or have already, taken him aside and said look here buddy, this is how it is and you'll stay withing the guidelines we give you or you're outta here.  His idealism will wear down and he will be gray before his term is finished.  

I know some Jewish folks also, and their skin is much darker than mine.  They do have blue eyes, but they have black hair and dark skin.  I guess compared to President Obama, they're still considered "white".  However, "Jew" is a religion, not a nationality.

My last post was from http://www.hypnoticcus.com/Blog.htm , I post it because I find it interesting.

About; ''If what we're doing here is pointless, why do we have a forum at all?  The whole thing is to discuss different subjects.  Everyone has an opinion of those subjects.''
I agry.

About; ''We in the modern world, don't use that term anymore, but if we did, President Obama would probably be considered a "god" ''

''Two are the methods of becoming God: the Upright and the Averse.  Let the Mind become as a flame, or as a well of still water.
Of each method are three principal examples given to them that are without the Threshold.
In this first book are written the Reflexions.'' - from http://www.geocities.com/nu_isis/liber341.html

About Obama.I don't have idols to belive in, God's to.Homo est Deus.And, I think that, he is just puppet on strings. (http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7107/imagespuppet.jpg) (http://img31.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imagespuppet.jpg)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 09, 2009, 08:36:21 pm
I do believe he has become a puppet because if he doesn't, he's dead meat.  I don't think it started out that way.  As my uncle used to always say "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."  I just hope he doesn't become to downtrodden and holds his head up and keeps trying to do the good things he set out to do.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 09, 2009, 08:53:48 pm
Obama is a puppet to the Bilderbergers and the NWO.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 09, 2009, 09:11:55 pm
I do believe he has become a puppet because if he doesn't, he's dead meat.  I don't think it started out that way.  As my uncle used to always say "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."  I just hope he doesn't become to downtrodden and holds his head up and keeps trying to do the good things he set out to do.

I agry.''Thy'' do this if you are ready to expose ''them''.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=2&hl=en&q=kennedy%20assassination&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 09, 2009, 09:16:19 pm
Obama is a puppet to the Bilderbergers and the NWO.

Who is behind  Bilderbergers and the NWO?


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on June 09, 2009, 09:42:22 pm
Just as couple of things to straighten out here, and I'll try to do it without blowing my top:

1.  None of Obama's supporters "worship" him.  We just like him better than old man McCain or dittohead Sarah Palin.  The "woship" charge is something conjured up by jealous right wingers who are SOOOOO pissed off that we actually like Obama and DON'T think of him as the lesser of two evils.

2.  You want to try and impeach Obama, Herefornow?  Go ahead and try.  No matter how he screws up, he is not going to get out of there.  You couldn't impeach Bush who's popuilarity was in the 20%, you sure as **** aren't going to impeach Obama who is at 60% t0 70%, depending on which poll you look at.

3.  Nobody ever threatened Bianca or told her that she didn't have the right to keep posting her anti-Obama crap, we merely said we have the right to disagree with it.  I actually like her anti-Obama crap.  Since (like Volitzer) 90% of it is made up crap from PUMA or some right winger's website, it is pretty dang easy to refute.

(Oh, and no one went back and changed anything they said to her, you are welcome to go back and check all my past posts in this thread.

4.  Obama is not a puppet either. He is just a guy dealt a bunch of problems by our last dummy-in-chief, Bush, and doing the best he can with it.

Since some of you guys are determined to hate him (FOR WHATEVER REASON  ;) ), I'll leave you to your hatred, but know that you are in the way, way minority throughout the world. 

Because of Obama, it is suddenly cool to be American again, which is something you COULDN'T say if Palin, Hillary or old man McCain had gotten in there.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 09, 2009, 09:56:25 pm



Whoever accused


                                                      Y O U , Krista?


And, yes, I was told there was no room for the likes of ME here in no uncertain terms!

I went back and it had totally changed without trace of modification - don't tell me it can't be done because it has happened before, only that time I had copied it before it was changed. 

This time I didn't.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 09, 2009, 10:00:54 pm
Just as couple of things to straighten out here, and I'll try to do it without blowing my top:

1.  None of Obama's supporters "worship" him.  We just like him better than old man McCain or dittohead Sarah Palin.  The "woship" charge is something conjured up by jealous right wingers who are SOOOOO pissed off that we actually like Obama and DON'T think of him as the lesser of two evils.

2.  You want to try and impeach Obama, Herefornow?  Go ahead and try.  No matter how he screws up, he is not going to get out of there.  You couldn't impeach Bush who's popuilarity was in the 20%, you sure as s*** aren't going to impeach Obama who is at 60% t0 70%, depending on which poll you look at.

3.  Nobody ever threatened Bianca or told her that she didn't have the right to keep posting her anti-Obama crap, we merely said we have the right to disagree with it.  I actually like her anti-Obama crap.  Since (like Volitzer) 90% of it is made up crap from PUMA or some right winger's website, it is pretty dang easy to refute.

(Oh, and no one went back and changed anything they said to her, you are welcome to go back and check all my past posts in this thread.

4.  Obama is not a puppet either. He is just a guy dealt a bunch of problems by our last dummy-in-chief, Bush, and doing the best he can with it.

Since some of you guys are determined to hate him (FOR WHATEVER REASON  ;) ), I'll leave you to your hatred, but know that you are in the way, way minority throughout the world. 

Because of Obama, it is suddenly cool to be American again, which is something you COULDN'T say if Palin, Hillary or old man McCain had gotten in there.

1. Yes thy do worship him.It is so natural for sheep's.

2.Ou, is it because Hi is God?Or Great Beast?Or maybe...''HIM''.

3.No coment.

4.LOL.

I don't hate anybody.I am just real.

It is not cool, at all, to be American.See out side of U.S. borders, what kind of s**t your Army and CIA and NSA etc. do.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 09, 2009, 10:03:00 pm



QUOTE:



"Since some of you guys are determined to hate him (FOR WHATEVER REASON   ), I'll leave you to your hatred, but know that you are in the way, way minority


                                               throughout the world."  

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



You sure as heck haven't been reading the British newspapers lately, have you?

There were so many critical and downright mean articles written by them that I didn't know which
one to chose.

And that's not counting the other countries' newspapers.....


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 09, 2009, 10:14:24 pm





You haven't even bothered reading the CANADIAN newspapers, have you Krista?


They'll make your hair curl......


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 09, 2009, 10:16:21 pm
LMAO


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 09, 2009, 10:24:31 pm





Here's a sample from the Canadian press:


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,18869.0.html


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 09, 2009, 10:27:09 pm



On second thought, here:









                                                       The Cairo disaster






By David Warren,
Ottawa Citizen
June 5, 2009


When a politician announces, at the beginning of a major speech, that he is going to be entirely honest with you, you should stop trying to protect your wallet.

For it is time to defend your soul.



This aphorism occurred as I listened to the opening of Barack Obama’s major speech in Cairo. As I have argued previously, he is not an honest man but, instead, a demagogue. He plays games with reality in the course of weaving his rhetorical spells. To be clear: he is no Hitler, no Mussolini, with some vision of national or racial glory, cynically manipulating the crowds to purposes that are ultimately violent. Far from that.


Nor is he a Trudeau, precisely, with an inner contempt for the people he is pledged to serve, and his own agenda to put past them. I do not even think Obama suffers from the vanity of Trudeau, who may actually have imagined himself to be some sort of “philosopher king.”


Obama’s is a different, more insidious vanity. He acknowledges his rhetorical gift as a gift, but imagines the solutions to problems coalesce of their own accord in his presence. He is President Orpheus, the “poet king,” transforming nature with his music. The German weekly, Die Zeit, expressed this perfectly in a headline: “I am a dream!”


It is the failure to acknowledge hard realities that makes Obama dangerous. As a wise Texan of my acquaintance put it, “he is attempting to model himself on Abraham Lincoln, the Great Emancipator. But, it’s with a twist. He sees himself as the Great Mediator — the One who will step into every conflict around the globe, bring to bear his superior intelligence and teleprompted eloquence, and leave the parties in a warm embrace.”


Another old friend, the errant “neocon” David Frum, explained what is shocking in that Cairo speech: to find an American president no longer mediating domestic American conflicts, but rather, those between his own country and some of her deadliest enemies. This may be presented as “reaching out” but, in practice, it leaves his own side unchampioned, unrepresented, and in the end, undefended.


Moreover, he is playing this game with a child’s understanding of the history and the stakes.

The Cairo speech is loaded with historical howlers. Other writers have explicated his misconceptions about Israel, and Hamas; about the American history in Iran; even his ridiculous notions about America’s earliest engagements with Islam. With short space, I leave that to them, but will draw attention to two grand statements, so fatuous as to beggar belief:


“As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam. It was Islam — at places like Al-Azhar University — that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe’s Renaissance and Enlightenment.”


And: “Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. We see it in the history of Andalusia and Cordoba during the Inquisition.”


No serious “student of history” could possibly have made either remark. The former is just bosh; the latter is incredibly offensive to Western Christendom, quite apart from the laughable anachronism.


It would be wrong to demean the real achievements of Islamic civilization to advance Western vanities. But also the reverse: it is wrong to demean the real achievements of Christendom, in the service of Islamic vanities even more absurd. And to do the latter, after presenting oneself as a Christian, is to sell out one’s whole society and being.


We may accommodate the playful, but the U.S. president was not being playful here. Or rather, he was playing with fire, as I know from some familiarity with the audience he was addressing. He was playing to the crowd, and in this case, playing to the tragic and self-destructive modern Arab propensity to blame every Arab problem on the machinations of outsiders.


By playing to that, Obama is selling out not only the democrats in the Arab and Islamic world, but every force and influence for self-betterment.


His English-speaking audience might note all the counter-balancing rhetoric about microloans and development and a woman’s choices. But for each of those, he announced some U.S. aid program that put the onus upon outsiders, again.


The speech did not merely miss an opportunity to speak the truth plainly. It sabotaged every effort to speak the truth plainly, to the darkest tyrannical forces in the Islamic world. It sold out America, it sold out the West, and it sold out the Muslims, too.




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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 09, 2009, 10:29:09 pm









                                                      Obama blew speech



                       President did disservice to U.S. with condescending appeal to Muslims







By PETER WORTHINGTON
Toronto Sun
Last Updated: 6th June 2009,


The trouble with U.S. President Barack Obama's boffo speech in Cairo to the Muslim world was not what he said -- but that he said it.

To explain: The content was generally fair, rational, evenhanded and fitting for a moderator, arbitrator or neutral adjudicator.

But that's not what Obama is. He is, or should be, the embodiment of his country and its interests. When he appoints himself the go-between who sees all sides and takes no sides -- who chastises all conflicting parties equally and impartially -- he does a disservice to himself, his country and to truth.

His speech has generally been applauded. Superficially, at least.

But on reflection it was arrogant, condescending. A "father knows best" speech of moral and practical equivalency.

It was a speech that the world's moderate middle could relish and feel good about. But it was also a speech unlikely to appease extremist factions of any side. A speech that simply didn't ring true in many ways.

All civilizations are not equal. All cultures are not equal. Some are more benign than others, some more lethal. Some crueler and less deserving of tolerance.

Fine for Obama to stress the tolerant, benign nature of Islam, but whatever it was in the past it is not that tolerant or benign now -- and I'm not thinking of 9/11, or suicide bombers, or its bigotry towards women. Sunni and Shiites often cannot tolerate each other, and kill over the issue of who are the true followers of Mohammed.

Avoiding the word "terrorists," Obama chose the gentler word "extremists", which clouds what he's saying and softens the impact.

He slighted America by failing to mention that after 9/11, his countrymen showed remarkable generosity and grace by rejecting reprisals against Muslims and, in fact, going out of their way to absolve Muslims of blame.

There was nothing resembling the flavour of internment camps that were imposed on Japanese-Americans in the early days of the Second World War, when hysteria reigned.






MISLEADING



By his laboured impartiality, Obama seemed to imply that before his coming to presidential power, America was somehow lacking, negligent or derelict in generosity and decency. Nothing could be further from reality.

Stressing America's "unbreakable" bonds with Israel while pledging "we will not turn our backs" on the "intolerable" situation of Palestinians who endure "the daily humiliations that comes with occupation" is grotesquely misleading.

Good politics if it works, and effective diplomacy, but it's dishonest. Until the Arab countries attacked Israel in 1967, the West Bank and Gaza were "occupied" by Egyptians and Jordanians.

In his series of speeches around the world, Obama seemed intent on denigrating his own country by apologizing to other countries for its actions. Now he is setting himself up as the arbitrator and source of all wisdom in dealings with the Muslim world.

If he were UN secretary general rather than the president of the United States, his efforts might be more appropriate. But he isn't. Yet.

Hardliners around the world are unlikely to buy Obama's message. How he handles the next terrorist incident will be his big test.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on June 09, 2009, 11:42:20 pm



Whoever accused


                                                      Y O U , Krista?


And, yes, I was told there was no room for the likes of ME here in no uncertain terms!

I went back and it had totally changed without trace of modification - don't tell me it can't be done because it has happened before, only that time I had copied it before it was changed. 

This time I didn't.

Gee, I could be wrong, but I haven't been under the impression that Europa or the other mods has been out to get you, Bianca.  Since they are the only ones able to change things, I guess your beef is with them.  Since you have no proof, and I sure as heck don't remember anyone threatening you over Obama, I guess we can safely assume that you just IMAGINED THE WHOLE THING.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on June 09, 2009, 11:45:32 pm
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1. Yes thy do worship him.It is so natural for sheep's.

2.Ou, is it because Hi is God?Or Great Beast?Or maybe...''HIM''.

Okay, if you think that Obama is being "worshipped," by all means provide some proof.  And none of that photoshop crap from page one either, anyone can become an ICON these days. That doesn't mean they are being WORSHIPPED.

Provide actual proof that people are PRAYING to Obama, and I concede the point.  Prayer constitutes worship.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on June 09, 2009, 11:47:14 pm



QUOTE:



"Since some of you guys are determined to hate him (FOR WHATEVER REASON   ), I'll leave you to your hatred, but know that you are in the way, way minority


                                               throughout the world." 

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



You sure as heck haven't been reading the British newspapers lately, have you?

There were so many critical and downright mean articles written by them that I didn't know which
one to chose.

And that's not counting the other countries' newspapers.....

And just who cares what editorial newspapers say?  I could find you ten columns that love Obama just as quickly as I could the ones that hate him.

Editorial columnists mean SQUAT.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on June 09, 2009, 11:50:15 pm





Here's a sample from the Canadian press:


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,18869.0.html

Here's another example from the Canadian press:

Canada’s love affair with Barack Obama

We like him more than Americans do, with some small concerns
Tags: Barack Obama, Canada, poll


Canada’s love affair with Barack Obama


(http://macleans.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/090213_loveaffair.jpg?w=642&h=277)

We love him, with an asterisk. The broad-band smile, the Lincolnesque bearing, the sense of the man as an avatar of multiculturalism—it all makes Barack Obama the perfect U.S. president in the eyes of Canadians. Heaven knows we’ve been waiting. When the motorcade rolls down Wellington Street next week, or pulls up to Rideau Hall, you can expect dewy-eyed kids to line barricades with paper flags, no matter how foul the Ottawa weather. Eighty-two per cent of us say we approve of Obama, the polls indicate, and the number requires a moment to digest. Never mind American politicians. Who’s the last American we can say that about?

When Angus Reid Strategies quizzed Canadians last week on behalf of Maclean’s, the lines practically glowed with excitement over a perceived new era in Canada-U.S. relations. More than half of respondents said they think Obama’s economic policies will be good for Canada—however bleak the outlook for the U.S. economy. Same went for his energy policy, while fully six out of 10 voiced support for his environmental program (remember that?), suggesting Stephen Harper got it right when he proposed a plan to coordinate the two countries’ climate change strategies.

The results spoke to the affinity Canadians have felt toward Obama since he burst onto the U.S. electoral scene, setting a fresh tone for a country a lot of us had given up trying to understand. After eight years of voicing diffidence, if not scorn toward the previous administration, 41 per cent of our respondents want greater ties with the U.S., compared to just nine per cent who think we should distance ourselves from our southern neighbours (44 per cent think we should maintain the same level). And it’s clear that Canadians are flattered by his decision to put us so near the top of his itinerary: 61 per cent of those polled say they plan to follow media coverage of the visit, which will last only half a day.

To describe this as a break with the recent past is near-sinful understatement. The last time Canadians were asked, we rated George W. Bush’s global leadership below that of Russia’s Vladimir Putin, and we have consistently voiced hope to pollsters that better relations were around the corner. Even Americans aren’t as bullish as Canadians on Obama these days, giving him still-generous approval ratings between 64 and 73 per cent, depending on who’s doing the polling. In Washington, things have been downright tough: two of Obama’s key political appointees have been forced to withdraw due to tax irregularities, and his stimulus package has been subject to a wall of partisan opposition in Congress. He may be glad for five hours in a place where the honeymoon remains in full swing.

Still, we are Canadians, which means Obama will also get a taste of the old-time fatalism that runs just beneath our optimism. In recent weeks, talk of American protectionism—most notably the “buy American” requirement in the stimulus package—has stirred long-standing insecurities about Congress’s tendency to pull up the drawbridge when times get tough. Those fears were reflected in our poll results. When asked if Obama would be good for Canada on cross-border trade, or on the auto industry, the numbers dropped to 41 per cent, and 38 per cent, respectively. “Putting aside his popularity,” says Mario Canseco, Angus Reid’s vice-president of public affairs, “Democratic governments are always perceived as more protectionist.”

So the asterisk is important, more so for Canadian leaders than for Obama himself. Several old Washington hands told Maclean’s that the government is lucky for the chance to make its wishes known while the new President is still fresh in the job. “Those are the visits a leader tends to remember,” says Michael Kergin, Canada’s ambassador to Washington from 2000 until 2005. “After the first six months or a year it starts to become routine.” Given the Canadian inclination to blame our problems on our southern neighbours, Kergin adds, it is important to tackle the issues before the bloom is off the relationship: differences will almost certainly intervene, forcing both sides to put politics before friendship. Trade barriers, America’s thickening border, Arctic sovereignty, Obama’s promise to review NAFTA—these are just a few of the issues bound to test the countries’ mutual ties.

Walking that wire is a lot more difficult for prime ministers than it is for presidents. “Historically, there’s always been a price to be paid for being seen as too close to the United States,” notes Fen Hampson, director of the Norman Paterson School of International Relations at Carleton University. And while Bush’s departure reduces those risks, it also raises complications. Under Bush, a prime minister could score cheap political points by defying the White House, or boasting grandly when it extracted some small concession from the administration. That won’t work under a president Canadians happen to like, and with whom they want their government to co-operate. If you can’t strike deals with someone as constructive and diplomatic as Obama, voters might reasonably ask, what kind of negotiator are you?

The good news for Canadian leaders is that our expectations are surprisingly low. Fully 46 per cent of those polled expect the current U.S. government to be more protectionist than the last. Less than half think Washington’s stimulus package is likely to end the recession. In short, there’s nowhere to go but up. More importantly, we’ve made up our minds on what threatened to be the most divisive foreign policy question facing the country: when asked whether Canada should keep its troops in Afghanistan should Obama request it, 65 per cent said no while only 20 per cent said yes. “We paid at the office big time on Afghanistan, and this is starting to permeate the Canadian psyche,” says Kergin. “It’s not so much a question of being supportive to the Americans as whether the war should be waged. I’ll bet if you asked them, Canadians would tell you Obama shouldn’t be waging it, either.”

http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/13/canadas-love-affair-with-barack-obama/

Gee, from what I have been reading, looks like the Canadians like him better than THEIR leader, like Qoais mentioned earlier. 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on June 09, 2009, 11:59:00 pm
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                                                       The Cairo disaster






By David Warren,
Ottawa Citizen
June 5, 2009

Who cares what Ottawa citizen David Warren said?  Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin didn't like it either. So what?  I can also show you editorials that thought it was one of the most important speeches of our times.


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  Obama blew speech



                       President did disservice to U.S. with condescending appeal to Muslims

If it  was supposed to be so condescending to Arabs why did Lebanon just vote Hezbollah out and vote in the party of moderates after hearing it?

And Ahmerdinijad is also behind in the polls in Iran. 

The Arabs, for once, are voting their hopes, not their fears, for once!




Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 10, 2009, 12:18:37 am
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1. Yes thy do worship him.It is so natural for sheep's.

2.Ou, is it because Hi is God?Or Great Beast?Or maybe...''HIM''.

Okay, if you think that Obama is being "worshipped," by all means provide some proof.  And none of that photoshop crap from page one either, anyone can become an ICON these days. That doesn't mean they are being WORSHIPPED.

Provide actual proof that people are PRAYING to Obama, and I concede the point.  Prayer constitutes worship.

LMAO!!!

My dear, are you blond?


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 10, 2009, 12:21:36 am
People "idolize" movie stars and rock singers all the time and it's quite acceptable.  For some reason if people idolize their president, it's not cool, and yet who should be more admired the rock star for making a bunch of noise, or the president for helping the country?


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Wind on June 10, 2009, 12:43:51 am
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What is a god Wind? I always wondered who started the word What does it mean? The Christians follow a god that supposedly ordered Moses to build an Arc of the Covenant and use it to kill everything in his path, a god that plays favorites with his children and pits them against each other. The Egyptians now, they believed their god/pharoah was more benevolent. He was wise, he taught them things, he looked after them. So what exactly is a god? Does it mean they don't die? But the Christian god leading Moses died. He stopped communicating with the people and the Arc of the Covenent was stolen and that was the name of that tune. Pharoah dies, yet he's still a god.

We in the modern world, don't use that term anymore, but if we did, President Obama would probably be considered a "god" in that he is charismatic, people immediately gravitate towards his sincerity, and he is determined to help his country and his people. We might call that a great leader - although he hasn't had time yet to get much done. His intentions are good, but I think the hidden powers that really rule the world, will or have already, taken him aside and said look here buddy, this is how it is and you'll stay withing the guidelines we give you or you're outta here. His idealism will wear down and he will be gray before his term is finished.

I know some Jewish folks also, and their skin is much darker than mine. They do have blue eyes, but they have black hair and dark skin. I guess compared to President Obama, they're still considered "white". However, "Jew" is a religion, not a nationality.


Sorry Qoais I was only teasing, pulling your leg you know ;D, However you did raise a very interesting question what is a god?

Does anybody know if there’s a thread that’s been started about this? I've got a lot of info I'd like to share.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 10, 2009, 12:50:40 am
I know you were teasing wind, but really, I've pondered this before.  Who taught us to "worship" and why?  Supposedly there is a spark of God in each and every one of us - so to "relate" to God and chit chat back and forth, does not entail "prayers", and what is prayer anyway, but us asking for a whole bunch of stuff?


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 10, 2009, 12:56:34 am
I know you were teasing wind, but really, I've pondered this before.  Who taught us to "worship" and why?  Supposedly there is a spark of God in each and every one of us - so to "relate" to God and chit chat back and forth, does not entail "prayers", and what is prayer anyway, but us asking for a whole bunch of stuff?

WOW JUST WOW to you Qoais!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Wind on June 10, 2009, 01:08:35 am
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I am so sorry for what I'm about to say everyone.
However, I'm going to say it anyways.

On one hand we have those who support Obama. On the other hand we have those who are completely against him. Then we have those who could care less.
Question is; What the debate here?

Those who oppose Obama have been telling his supporters one thing. The other side is telling the opposers how wonderful he is.

It all is going in circles and nothing is being accomplished. We are for the most part, smart people.
Right?



Well if nothing is going any where by debate, then it stands to reason that what we are doing is pointless.
It's one thing to express an idea or feeling you might have about something in particular.
Yet I fail to see what the prize is here by debating something that is a difference of opinion.


Look, I love coming here and talking to all of you.
I enjoy the discussions in this forum a whole bunch.
As for the politics; No one is going to reach an end to the debate on this because everyone is pretty well set in what they do beleive and nothing is going to change anyone's minds here about all of this.

I guess if preaching to deaf ears on both sides of this is all we can accomplish. Then we are truely defeating our own purposes. Why don't we just do a poll on it and call it a day.

Should we;

Impeach Obama
Worship Obama
Undecided

Atleast then we can show, using raw data what the majority thinks.
It seems like a more productive thing to do then sit here and push our own individual sides of this debate to accomplish nada, zip, zilch.......

HereForNow I couldn’t agree with you more, This whole argument just goes to show that we never truly grow up, not only us personally but as a whole.   Humanity I’m afraid has a very long way to go before we can overcome our petty differences and focus on what’s really important.   You know! It might just take a world wide catastrophe to wake us up and give us the kick in the pants we need.  It is sad though that we cant work things out on our own.

I kind of regret posting on this thread in the first place because every time that I click the new replies to my posts link, it brings up this thread, and of course my curiosity gets the best of me and so I read what’s been said, and every time I do it does nothing but depress me and make me sad.
 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Wind on June 10, 2009, 01:17:04 am
I know you were teasing wind, but really, I've pondered this before.  Who taught us to "worship" and why?  Supposedly there is a spark of God in each and every one of us - so to "relate" to God and chit chat back and forth, does not entail "prayers", and what is prayer anyway, but us asking for a whole bunch of stuff?

 Qoais I feel that it was probably the ancient kings and leaders that wanted to be worshiped and so set themselves up as god's, this is probably where humans were taught to worship in the first place.

I do agree that we are all part of the spark of God as you put it, not the human invented god! we are all part of a greater whole. I too don't like the idea of prayer, you're right it does seem selfish.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 10, 2009, 02:26:07 am
                                         Obama, occult nomination ceremony

(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/2306/obm1.jpg) (http://img44.imageshack.us/my.php?image=obm1.jpg)

Before an immense croud gathered in the pyramid formed in the streets of Washinton D.C., a gigantic ritual ceremony took place. The orator (Obama) , situated in the center of the eye on top of the pyramid, gave a speech, that, according to many, was  some kind of satanic mantra to seduce the masses.

Obama in the center of the pyramid’s eye, coincidence?…Judge for yourself. Obama’s grand seduction seem to be working just fine. Jesus would not have done better!!

Washington D.C.’s architectural is a well known free-masons design, a perfect place to hold a ritualistic ceremony. Rumors is on the web that Obama is the antichrist!

The rumor started from some obscur evangelistic blogs and has swollen to reach CNN news broadcast. A new tv spot from campaign rival John McCain has put oil on the fire; Moses impersonated by Obama, going trough the flows of Charlton Heston. The Youtube video received 1.5 million hits. CNN took some peices of the video to calm the rumors, gave it national visibility.

According to McCain’s entourage, the video is to be taken lightly, saying its just a friendly and funny way of exposing megalomaniac speech tendencies of president Obama. Still it is a strange echo of  some extremist christian minorities, that see a ressemblance between the democrate winner and the antichrist of St-John revelations book of the bible that seems to be inspired by the >Left behind> series about a young and brilliant politician invested into power, at first acclamed untill people realize he is the worst  satanic person they elected.

The antichrist of the book of revelation in the bible is seen by  many readers as a past and done prophety. Still, many americans think these events are up and comming.

This caracter is described as a charismatic leader that will convince everyone on the earth, even the saints. Winning every heart without a fight, he sould conquer all, only then should he bring desolation and destruction, according to the bible.

Here is another image from Google GeoEye’s satellite

(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/3673/obm2.jpg) (http://img44.imageshack.us/my.php?image=obm2.jpg)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHJkS-bAJv8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2F911truth%2Dsherbrooke%2Eorg%2F2009%2F02%2F06%2Fobama%2Doccult%2Dnomination%2Dceremony%2F&feature=player_embedded
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkRY46iRN9o&eurl=http%3A%2F%2F911truth%2Dsherbrooke%2Eorg%2F2009%2F02%2F06%2Fobama%2Doccult%2Dnomination%2Dceremony%2F&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ldZS9PL9KE&eurl=http%3A%2F%2F911truth%2Dsherbrooke%2Eorg%2F2009%2F02%2F06%2Fobama%2Doccult%2Dnomination%2Dceremony%2F&feature=player_embedded

Obama est un cousin de Bush (onzièmes cousin) !!!

"Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb [he appears righteous - a lamb is the symbol of Christ], but he spoke like a dragon [a dragon is one of the symbols of Satan]."

"He exercised all the authority of the first beast [the political leader] on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast [the great religious leader will take a secondary role to the political leader].
 

Article by 187-to-NWO

Translation done by Fleurdelys



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 10, 2009, 10:00:45 am
Well, we all know it wasn't Obama who designed Washington so that can't be blamed on him.  Actually, it kind of looks like a partial amphithreatre.  If it could have made the complete circle it WOULD be like an anphitheatre.

Harconen - there will always be those few who take hate to the heights of craziness.  Look at the KKK.  What a bunch of retards.  I mean, going around in cloaks so no one will know who they are means they're totally ashamed of what they believe in, knowing it's wrong.  And like my goofy sister said when we were chatting about this, who would want to be caught dead in one of those cloaks, they're so ugly!!!

I have found that a lot of religious people are the worst fear and hate mongers.  They cling to religion because they seem to be lacking some sort of balance in their life and then take those beliefs to extremes.  There are a lot of super nice religious people too, don't get me wrong, but the ones that take their beliefs to the extreme are dangerous.  I don't know why people dislike so much that it gets to be hate.  I can honestly say I've never hated anyone in my life and I'm not sure I'd know how. 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: zachariah on June 10, 2009, 10:09:14 am
http://www.youtube.com/user/10000Pennies


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 10, 2009, 10:17:27 am
So where's the facts and figures to back up that video?  Anyone can say anything they want but they have to prove it.  It's not even common sense.  If nothing had been done at all, there would be MILLIONS out of a job.  ALL the car companies would be broke, all the satellite companies of car companies would go down, like the parts makers, the people who make all the cleaning products for cars, and so on.  The banks would have closed, there would be hundreds of thousands of people wandering in the streets looking for food because their money is gone, and maybe THEN you would have the right to blame someone, but it would not be Obama's fault that the country was brought down.  What if Hillary had gotten in?  Would everyone be spreading the hate crap for her?  Would they be blaming her for all the mess the country is in?  Not.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on June 10, 2009, 11:07:28 am
I think you're wasting your time with these people Qoais. They are determined to hate Obama no matter how many nutso reasons they can dig up. 

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What if Hillary had gotten in?  Would everyone be spreading the hate crap for her?  Would they be blaming her for all the mess the country is in?  Not.

Bianca wouldn't be, she was for Hillary!  I am all about having a woman president, too, someday, but I am not myopic to the fact that someone's gender should be the sole determining factor in whether to vote them in.  Palin, for instance, is someone I view as an idiot, and thank god that her and old man McCain never got in.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 10, 2009, 12:44:19 pm
I think you're wasting your time with these people Qoais. They are determined to hate Obama no matter how many nutso reasons they can dig up. 

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What if Hillary had gotten in?  Would everyone be spreading the hate crap for her?  Would they be blaming her for all the mess the country is in?  Not.

Bianca wouldn't be, she was for Hillary!  I am all about having a woman president, too, someday, but I am not myopic to the fact that someone's gender should be the sole determining factor in whether to vote them in.  Palin, for instance, is someone I view as an idiot, and thank god that her and old man McCain never got in.

Krista, why don't you STOP being such a naive tween and watch the Obama Deception.


The Obama Deception

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7535755025025800195

 ;)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 10, 2009, 12:47:24 pm
Palin, for instance, is someone I view as an idiot, and thank god that her and old man McCain never got in.

McCain and Palin were political corpses cuz the Bilderbergers wanted Obama and Biden in to do the NWO's agenda.

Endgame

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261&q=Endgame+&ei=1t4QSPaoB5q2rAKJzaywBA


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 10, 2009, 01:21:11 pm
Well, we all know it wasn't Obama who designed Washington so that can't be blamed on him.  Actually, it kind of looks like a partial amphithreatre.  If it could have made the complete circle it WOULD be like an anphitheatre.

Harconen - there will always be those few who take hate to the heights of craziness.  Look at the KKK.  What a bunch of retards.  I mean, going around in cloaks so no one will know who they are means they're totally ashamed of what they believe in, knowing it's wrong.  And like my goofy sister said when we were chatting about this, who would want to be caught dead in one of those cloaks, they're so ugly!!!

I have found that a lot of religious people are the worst fear and hate mongers.  They cling to religion because they seem to be lacking some sort of balance in their life and then take those beliefs to extremes.  There are a lot of super nice religious people too, don't get me wrong, but the ones that take their beliefs to the extreme are dangerous.  I don't know why people dislike so much that it gets to be hate.  I can honestly say I've never hated anyone in my life and I'm not sure I'd know how. 

        Qoais,

    My post is from religious source but not my religion.I am a Pagan/Thelemit, not a christian.I don't bealive in God & Lucifer.Also, I am a liberal, so KKK is not my option in any way, and thy will, probably, try to burn me if thy can.
    Facts are facts, video material is a fact.Be real, and coment that.I don't hate Obama, I just don't like force behind him, people that control him.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 10, 2009, 03:10:28 pm


Don't waste your breath, Harconen-

If you don't like or agree with Obama, you HATE him....

As they've been told to do, they "get in your face" with the worst of vitriol.
That's the way it is, no discussions....

Just like in George Bush's days, you are either with Obama or you are with the
'enemy"/or are the enemy.

Notice how the girls sound like 'groupies'?

It's been going on for one and one half years, especially at Huffington Post and
Daily Kos.

The only ones that use the word HATE are Obama's 'followers'.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 10, 2009, 04:18:17 pm
Thanks for info Bianka.I sensed something ''blonde'' in the air, but you are right, it is 'groupies'.Hate will make Obamajungen this way.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 10, 2009, 04:43:41 pm
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McCain and Palin were political corpses cuz the Bilderbergers wanted Obama and Biden in to do the NWO's agenda.

So how did the Bilderbergers get what was it - 80% of the people to vote for Obama?  Didja all get a cheque in the mail?


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 10, 2009, 05:04:06 pm
  ;D
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM

                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mvP0ArKIGY


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 10, 2009, 06:45:09 pm
      (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/2008/10/18/obama_contempt.jpg)




                                (http://bluegrassbulletin.typepad.com/bluegrass_bulletin/images/2008/08/08/obama_head_wringer.jpg)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 10, 2009, 06:52:28 pm
(http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/20090528-220917-pic-924085510_r350x200.jpg)

(http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/black-panther1.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Philadelphia_polling_place_security_patrols_2008.png)

PHILADELPHIA POLLING PLACE - NOVEMBER 4, 2008








                           JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DROPS ALL CHARGES AGAINST BLACK PANTHERS


                                     WHO BLOCKED POLLING STATIONS AT OBAMA'S REQUEST





May 29th, 2009
Washington Times

Imagine if Ku Klux Klan members had stood menacingly in military uniforms, with nightsticks, in front of a polling place. Add to it that they had hurled racial threats and insults at voters who tried to enter.

Now suppose that the government, backed by a nationally televised video of the event, had won a court case against the Klansmen except for the perfunctory filing of a single, simple document - but that an incoming Republican administration had moved to voluntarily dismiss the already-won case.

Surely that would have been front-page news, with a number of firings at the Justice Department.

The flip side of this scenario is occurring right now. The culprits weren’t Klansmen; they belonged to the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense. One of the defendants, Jerry Jackson, is an elected member of Philadelphia’s 14th Ward Democratic Committee and was a credentialed poll watcher for Barack Obama and the Democratic Party when the violations occurred. Rather conveniently, the Obama administration has asked that the cases against Mr. Jackson, two other defendants and the party be dropped.

The Voting Rights Act is very clear. It prohibits any “attempt to intimidate, threaten or coerce” any voter or those aiding voters.

The explanation for moving to dismiss the case is shocking. According to the Department of Justice: “These same Defendants have made no appearance and have filed no pleadings with the Court. Nor have they otherwise raised any other defenses to this action. Therefore, the United States has the right … to dismiss voluntarily this action against the Defendants.” In other words, because the defendants haven’t tried to defend themselves, the Justice Department won’t punish them.

By that logic, if a murderer doesn’t respond to the charges, he should be let free. That’s crazy.

The Obama Justice Department did take one action against one of the four defendants: It forbade him from again “displaying a weapon within 100 feet of any open polling location” in Philadelphia. Given that it already was illegal to display a weapon at a polling place and that he was not even enjoined from carrying a weapon at polling places outside of Philadelphia, it is hard to see what this order accomplished.

We asked the Justice Department if it was unable to provide any explanation for dropping the case. Justice press aide Alejandro Miyar merely said: “That is correct.” Multiple times we asked both the department and the White House to comment on charges that the dismissals represented political bias. We received no substantive response.

Hans Von Spakovsky, a legal scholar at the Heritage Foundation and a former commissioner at the Federal Election Commission, tells us, “In my experience, I have never heard of the department refusing to take a default judgment… . If a Republican administration had done this, it would be front-page news and every civil rights group in the country would be screaming about it.”

Consider that the behavior of the defendants was so bad that witness Bartle Bull, a former Robert F. Kennedy organizer who did extensive legal work on behalf of black voters in Mississippi, testified it was “the most blatant form of voter discrimination I have encountered in my life.”

Eric Eversole, a former litigation attorney with the Voting Section of the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department, told us: “It is truly unprecedented for the Voting Section to voluntarily dismiss a case of such blatant intimidation. The video speaks for itself.”

We couldn’t agree more. After the 2000 Presidential election, Democrats complained about voter intimidation in Florida by pointing to a police car that had been two miles away from a polling place. The police didn’t do anything to anyone, but their presence was deemed sufficient to vaguely intimidate people en route to the polls. In this case, the New Black Panther Party actually blocked access to a poll.

Unlike the Florida incident, this case involving the New Black Panthers screams out for tough justice. Instead, the Obama administration looks the other way. This all but invites racial violence at future elections.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 10, 2009, 07:45:49 pm
  ;)                         


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpatdollard%2Ecom%2F2009%2F05%2Fobama%2Dadministration%2Dignores%2Dvoter%2Dintimidation%2Dw%2Dvideos%2F&feature=player_embedded

                           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn2DjQUgVF8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpatdollard%2Ecom%2F2009%2F05%2Fobama%2Dadministration%2Dignores%2Dvoter%2Dintimidation%2Dw%2Dvideos%2F&feature=player_embedded


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on June 11, 2009, 12:21:25 am


Don't waste your breath, Harconen-

If you don't like or agree with Obama, you HATE him....

As they've been told to do, they "get in your face" with the worst of vitriol.
That's the way it is, no discussions....

Just like in George Bush's days, you are either with Obama or you are with the
'enemy"/or are the enemy.

Notice how the girls sound like 'groupies'?

It's been going on for one and one half years, especially at Huffington Post and
Daily Kos.

The only ones that use the word HATE are Obama's 'followers'.

Uh, Bianca, you actually told everyone you hated Obama, No one is putting any words in your mouth, here is a quote of yours:


Quote
I got news for you, Krista.

Up until this article I DESPISED  GWB and 0Zero equally.

Now the "American Idol" just jumped ahead.......


BTW, by criticizing all those DIM people, I can't believe YOU voted DIMOC - RAT!

On Orders Of The White House, Georgetown Covered Name Of Jesus

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,17464.15.html

Seems pretty clear to me, and everyone else, too. 

And I REALLY resent the word, "groupie."  I don't remember gushing over Obama here, I have refuted everyone of your bs allegations towards him with facts.  I actually find that word "groupie" a bit sexist.

And where is the vitrio? You are the one that called ME a rat, and I could give a flying fig about that.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on June 11, 2009, 12:24:32 am
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Krista, why don't you STOP being such a naive tween and watch the Obama Deception.


The Obama Deception

Name me ONE thing that you differ with Alex Jones on, Volitzer, or shut up about it.  Fact is, he does all the thinking for you and you just repeat it.  You are his ventriloquist dummy!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 11, 2009, 12:31:54 am
I think you're wasting your time with these people Krista.  They'll blame President Obama for everything everyone else does that he doesn't even have any idea about.  Hate is mean.  Hate is cruel.  It starts out at sarcasm, then antagonism, then physical violence.  Can't waste the time and energy on it myself.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on June 11, 2009, 12:40:37 am
Quote
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DROPS ALL CHARGES AGAINST BLACK PANTHERS


                                     WHO BLOCKED POLLING STATIONS AT OBAMA'S REQUEST





May 29th, 2009
Washington Times

Imagine if Ku Klux Klan members had stood menacingly in military uniforms, with nightsticks, in front of a polling place. Add to it that they had hurled racial threats and insults at voters who tried to enter.

You're kidding, right?  Bianca, the Washington Times is a right wing owned and influenced by Rev. Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1569

Meaning everything they print is slanted.  You just keep right on printing their stuff, though, since it's mainly all crap.

If Obama actually "ordered" the Black Panthers to the polls personally, don't you think someone in the MSM, FOX News, for instance, would have picked it up?


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Krista Davenport on June 11, 2009, 12:43:42 am
I think you're wasting your time with these people Krista.  They'll blame President Obama for everything everyone else does that he doesn't even have any idea about.  Hate is mean.  Hate is cruel.  It starts out at sarcasm, then antagonism, then physical violence.  Can't waste the time and energy on it myself.

Yeah, but a lot of people read these threads and they should be told what is the truth and what are lies.  Although, I think people can see by now where certain people are coming from! 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 11, 2009, 02:47:06 am
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Krista, why don't you STOP being such a naive tween and watch the Obama Deception.


The Obama Deception

Name me ONE thing that you differ with Alex Jones on, Volitzer, or shut up about it.  Fact is, he does all the thinking for you and you just repeat it.  You are his ventriloquist dummy!

Alex thinks it is all a false left-right paradigm.    liberal----------------------------conservative


The truth of the matter is that the political spectrum is 2-Dimensional.


Obama---------------------------------authoritarian-------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------|------------------------------Republicans--------------
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-----------Democrats-----------------------|-------------------------------------------------------
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--------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------
liberal-----------------------------------moderate---------------------------------------conservative
--------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------|--Constitution Party------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------
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-----------------------------------------libertarian--------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------Libertarian-Party----------------------------------------------
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-----------------------------------------anarchist--------------------------------------------------


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 11, 2009, 03:07:27 am
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McCain and Palin were political corpses cuz the Bilderbergers wanted Obama and Biden in to do the NWO's agenda.

So how did the Bilderbergers get what was it - 80% of the people to vote for Obama?  Didja all get a cheque in the mail?

The Bilderbergers knew the public was fed up with Bush and Republicans so they just conned an ignorant public into voting for their man by hyping up their other party out of power... the Democrats.  When Obama is washed up they will hype up their Republican arm again by making them seem the more sensible alternative.  All the while censoring the Constitution Party, Libertarian Party, the Green Party.  They put in a white-Arab-balck man but yet discriminate against other political parties in the media cuz they know how stupid and politically naive the public is.

Unlike Alex Jones and Jason Bermas other talk shows are on either the Republican or Democrat payroll.  Even Michael Savage is starting to realize all the phonies in the CONservatives in right-wing radio.
Both Republicans and Democrats are BILDERBERG owned and controlled !!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 11, 2009, 09:49:34 am
Volitzer - perhaps you should have been a comedian.  Are you saying the Bilderburgers HELPED Sarah Palin look stupid?  I didn't think she needed any help in that direction at all.  She was a national and international embarrassment and she has to live that down now.  Do you think she got big bucks or something to make herself look a total fool in front of the world?  And John McCain I can believe would take a pay off.  It's never been about anything but John McCain right from the start. 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 11, 2009, 01:21:10 pm
Volitzer - perhaps you should have been a comedian.  Are you saying the Bilderburgers HELPED Sarah Palin look stupid?  I didn't think she needed any help in that direction at all.  She was a national and international embarrassment and she has to live that down now.  Do you think she got big bucks or something to make herself look a total fool in front of the world?  And John McCain I can believe would take a pay off.  It's never been about anything but John McCain right from the start. 

The Bilderbergers knew the Republicans weren't going to get it in 2008 cuz of Bush.  So they chose McCain and Palin cuz of their stupidity.  If the Republicans really wanted to win they would have chosen Ron Paul, but since they took their orders from the Bilderbergers they chose McCain and threw the election.

Now that Obama is screwing up royally the Republican-wing of the Bilderberg Party is all about capitalism and conservatism and pro-America now hoping to lull in a gullible public once again.

It's like the average American voter is being used by both parties like a woman seeing 2 men and being treated like crap by both but yet when she gets fed up with one she goes to the other abuser until she gets fed up with him.  Back and forth, back and forth on and on and on.......     :'(


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 11, 2009, 02:06:23 pm
7. In order that the hand of the blind mob may not free itself from our guiding hand, we must every now and then enter into close communion with it, if not actually in person, at any rate through some of the most trusty of our brethren. When we are acknowledged as the only authority we shall discuss with the people personally on the market, places, and we shall instruct them on questings of the political in such wise as may turn them in the direction that suits us.


11. The second secret requisite for the success of our government is comprised in the following: To multiply to such an extent national failings, habits, passions, conditions of civil life, that it will be impossible for anyone to know where he is in the resulting chaos, so that the people in consequence will fail to understand one another. This measure will also serve us in another way, namely, to sow discord in all parties, to dislocate all collective forces which are still unwilling to submit to us, and to discourage any kind of personal initiative which might in any degree hinder our affair. THERE IS NOTHING MORE DANGEROUS THAN PERSONAL INITIATIVE: if it has genius behind it, such initiative can do more than can be done by millions of people among whom we have sown discord. We must so direct the education of the GOYIM communities that whenever they come upon a matter requiring initiative they may drop their hands in despairing impotence. The strain which results from freedom of actions saps the forces when it meets with the freedom of another. From this collision arise grave moral shocks, disenchantments, failures. BY ALL THESE MEANS WE SHALL SO WEAR DOWN THE "GOYIM" THAT THEY WILL BE COMPELLED TO OFFER US INTERNATIONAL POWER OF A NATURE THAT BY ITS POSITION WILL ENABLE US WITHOUT ANY VIOLENCE GRADUALLY TO ABSORB ALL THE STATE FORCES OF THE WORLD AND TO FORM A SUPER-GOVERNMENT. In place of the rulers of to-day we shall set up a bogey which will be called the Super-Government Administration. Its hands will reach out in all directions like nippers and its organization will be of such colossal dimensions that it cannot fail to subdue all the nations of the world. (League of Nations and subsequent United Nations Organization - Ed.).

                                                                             WE NAME PRESIDENTS

11. In the near future we shall establish the responsibility of presidents.

12. By that time we shall be in a position to disregard forms in carrying through matters for which our impersonal puppet will be responsible. What do we care if the ranks of those striving for power should be thinned, if there should arise a deadlock from the impossibility of finding presidents, a deadlock which will finally disorganize the country? ...

13. In order that our scheme may produce this result we shall arrange elections in favor of such presidents as have in their past some dark, undiscovered stain, some "Panama" or other - then they will be trustworthy agents for the accomplishment of our plans out of fear of revelations and from the natural desire of everyone who has attained power, namely, the retention of the privileges, advantages and honor connected with the office of president. The chamber of deputies will provide cover for, will protect, will elect presidents, but we shall take from it the right to propose new, or make changes in existing laws, for this right will be given by us to the responsible president, a puppet in our hands. Naturally, the authority of the presidents will then become a target for every possible form of attack, but we shall provide him with a means of self-defense in the right of an appeal to the people, for the decision of the people over the heads of their representatives, that is to say, an appeal to that same blind slave of ours - the majority of the mob. Independently of this we shall invest the president with the right of declaring a state of war. We shall justify this last right on the ground that the president as chief of the whole army of the country must have it at his disposal, in case of need for the defense of the new republican constitution, the right to defend which will belong to him as the responsible representative of this constitution. (Iran? Grenada? Kuwait? Iraq? Panama? Somalia? Bosnia? Kosovo? Indonesia?)

14. It is easy to understand that in these conditions the key of the shrine will lie in our hands, and no one outside ourselves will any longer direct the force of legislation.

15. Besides this we shall, with the introduction of the new republican constitution, take from the Chamber the right of interpolation on government measures, on the pretext of preserving political secrecy, and, further, we shall by the new constitution reduce the number of representatives to a minimum, thereby proportionately reducing political passions and the passion for politics. If, however, they should, which is hardly to be expected, burst into flame, even in this minimum, we shall nullify them by a stirring appeal and a reference to the majority of the whole people ... Upon the president will depend the appointment of presidents and vice-presidents of the Chamber and the Senate. Instead of constant sessions of Parliaments we shall reduce their sittings to a few months. Moreover, the president, as chief of the executive power, will have the right to summon and dissolve Parliament, and, in the latter case, to prolong the time for the appointment of a new parliamentary assembly. But in order that the consequences of all these acts which in substance are illegal, should not, prematurely for our plans, fall upon the responsibility established by us of the president, WE SHALL INSTIGATE MINISTERS AND OTHER OFFICIALS OF THE HIGHER ADMINISTRATION ABOUT THE PRESIDENT TO EVADE HIS DISPOSITIONS BY TAKING MEASURES OF THEIR OWN, for doing which they will be made the scapegoats in his place ... This part we especially recommend to be given to be played by the Senate, the Council of State, or the Council of Ministers, but not to an individual official.

16. The president will, at our discretion, interpret the sense of such of the existing laws as admit of various interpretation; he will further annul them when we indicate to him the necessity to do so, besides this, he will have the right to propose temporary laws, and even new departures in the government constitutional working, the pretext both for the one and the other being the requirements for the supreme welfare of the State. (Presidential Decrees such as F.D.R. employed to debase the US dollar and steal the gold and to place the U.S. under a permanent State of Emergency and War against its own citizens?)
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion4.htm#Protocol  No. 10

10. Liberalism produced Constitutional States, which took the place of what was the only safeguard of the GOYIM, namely, Despotism; and A CONSTITUTION, AS YOU WELL KNOW, IS NOTHING ELSE BUT A SCHOOL OF DISCORDS, misunderstandings, quarrels, disagreements, fruitless party agitations, party whims - in a word, a school of everything that serves to destroy the personality of State activity. THE TRIBUNE OF THE "TALKERIES" HAS, NO LESS EFFECTIVELY THAN THE PRESS, CONDEMNED THE RULERS TO INACTIVITY AND IMPOTENCE, and thereby rendered them useless and superfluous, for which reason indeed they have been in many countries deposed. THEN IT WAS THAT THE ERA OF REPUBLICS BECOME POSSIBLE OF REALIZATION; AND THEN IT WAS THAT WE REPLACED THE RULER BY A CARICATURE OF A GOVERNMENT - BY A PRESIDENT, TAKEN FROM THE MOB, FROM THE MIDST OF OUR PUPPET CREATURES, OR SLAVES. This was the foundation of the mine which we have laid under the GOY people, I should rather say, under the GOY peoples.


So people, where are you in all of this, anybody?


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Myrtle on June 11, 2009, 10:45:59 pm
Bianca, the next time one of these Obamaites tries to talk you down, just say to them, "What you talking about, Willis?"  

It works for me everytime.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 11, 2009, 11:03:27 pm
What's that supposed to represent?


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on June 12, 2009, 12:30:55 am
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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 12, 2009, 08:00:35 am









                                      Hovering on High: Obama Surveys the World






By Charles Krauthammer
June 12, 2009
WASHINGTON

-- When President Obama returned from his first European trip, I observed that while over there he had been "acting the philosopher-king who hovers above the fray mediating" between America and the world. Now that Obama has returned from his "Muslim world" pilgrimage, even the left agrees. "Obama's standing above the country, above -- above the world. He's sort of God," Newsweek's Evan Thomas said to a concurring Chris Matthews, reflecting on Obama's lofty perception of himself as the great transcender.

Not that Obama considers himself divine. (He sees himself as merely messianic, or, at worst, apostolic.) But he does position himself as hovering above mere mortals, mere country, to gaze benignly upon the darkling plain beneath him where ignorant armies clash by night, blind to the common humanity that only he can see. Traveling the world, he brings the gospel of understanding and godly forbearance. We have all sinned against each other. We must now look beyond that and walk together to the sunny uplands of comity and understanding. He shall guide you.



Thus:

(A) He told Iran that, on the one hand, America once helped overthrow an Iranian government, while on the other hand "Iran has played a role in acts of hostage-taking and violence against U.S. troops and civilians." (Played a role?!) We have both sinned; let us bury the past and begin anew.

(B) On religious tolerance, he gently referenced the Christians of Lebanon and Egypt, then lamented that the "divisions between Sunni and Shia have led to tragic violence" (note the use of the passive voice). He then criticized (in the active voice) Western religious intolerance for regulating the wearing of the hijab -- after citing America for making it difficult for Muslims to give to charity.

(C) Obama offered Muslims a careful admonition about women's rights, noting how denying women education impoverishes a country -- balanced, of course, with "meanwhile, the struggle for women's equality continues in many aspects of American life."



Well, yes. On the one hand, there certainly is some American university where the women's softball team has received insufficient Title IX funds -- while, on the other hand, Saudi women showing ankle are beaten in the street, Afghan school girls have acid thrown in their faces, and Iranian women are publicly stoned to death for adultery. (Gays, as well -- but then again we have Prop 8.) We all have our shortcomings, our national foibles. Who's to judge?

That's the problem with Obama's transcultural evenhandedness. It gives the veneer of professorial sophistication to the most simple-minded observation: Of course there are rights and wrongs in all human affairs. Our species is a fallen one. But that doesn't mean that these rights and wrongs are of equal weight.

A CIA rent-a-mob in a coup 56 years ago does not balance the hostage-takings, throat-slittings, terror bombings and wanton slaughters perpetrated for 30 years by a thug regime in Teheran (and its surrogates) that our own State Department calls the world's "most active state sponsor of terrorism."

True, France prohibits the wearing of the hijab in certain public places, in part to allow the force of law to protect Muslim women who might be coerced into wearing it by neighborhood fundamentalist gangs. But it borders on the obscene to compare this mild preference for secularization (seen in Muslim Turkey as well) to the violence that has been visited upon Copts, Maronites, Baha'i, Druze and other minorities in Muslim lands, and to the unspeakable cruelties perpetrated by Shiites and Sunnis upon each other.

Even on freedom of religion, Obama could not resist the compulsion to find fault with his own country: "For instance, in the United States, rules on charitable giving have made it harder for Muslims to fulfill their religious obligation" -- disgracefully giving the impression to a foreign audience not versed in our laws that there is active discrimination against Muslims, when the only restriction, applied to all donors regardless of religion, is on funding charities that serve as fronts for terror.

Obama undoubtedly thinks he is demonstrating historical magnanimity with all these moral equivalencies and self-flagellating apologetics. On the contrary. He's showing cheap condescension, an unseemly hunger for applause and a willingness to distort history for political effect.

Distorting history is not truth-telling, but the telling of soft lies. Creating false equivalencies is not moral leadership, but moral abdication. And hovering above it all, above country and history, is a sign not of transcendence but of a disturbing ambivalence toward one's own country.

 

letters@charleskrauthammer.com
Copyright 2009, Washington Post Writers Group


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 12, 2009, 10:04:50 am
What you talkin about Willis....
LOL



Ahhh memories. I remember that show.
"Different Strokes"
Thank you Myrtle, that was awesome.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 12, 2009, 10:09:18 am
Obviously written by an Obama hater.

He has to walk a very fine line.  He cannot come out and tell the Arab world the States is perfect and they should all act like Americans.  That would create WW3.  He's trying to show the he realizes the States isn't perfect, that they've done some crappy stuff in the past too, rather than get up on stage and go rah rah rah America.  Foreign countries are tired of the American attitude that they're better than everyone else just because they're American.  He also knows that half the world is looking to him for leadership to set an example for so many things.  He's not "hovering" above anyone.  He's knows that the Arabs are educated, he knows they want to be respected, and he can't just go marching in there and tell them they have to change their culture.  

I'd like to see what kind of speech Mr. Cabbagehammer would have made had it been up to him.  It's one thing to criticize all the time, but as the saying goes "don't knock the other guy till you've walked a mile in his shoes".


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 12, 2009, 10:36:40 am
Obviously written by an Obama hater.

  He also knows that half the world is looking to him for leadership to set an example for so many things.
 
  :o Mordor is expending, Emperor of the World is coming!

  P.S. I don't hate, just useing my brain.
   P.S.S. WAKE UP PEOPLE! http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm#Table of Contents


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 12, 2009, 10:47:53 am








                                                    CRITICISM = HATE


                                                               I N


                                                     O B A M E R I C A


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Brandi Davitte on June 12, 2009, 11:08:32 am
Krauthammer is a neocon who helped promote the Iraq War, so, if you think that was a good idea, then, sure he is a credible spokesman.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Brandi Davitte on June 12, 2009, 11:11:55 am








                                                    CRITICISM = HATE


                                                               I N


                                                     O B A M E R I C A

Says who?  Most of the hate I see here and other places is because they simply don't like Obama personally (for whatever reason). The vitriol is actually all coming from the anti-Obama side.  If setting the record straiht is "hateful," then you guys are clearly operating under bias.

Most of the things you people are blaming him for is stuff that either happened under Bush that people apparently didn't have any problem with when he was President.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 12, 2009, 11:25:58 am



".........Bush that people apparently didn't have any problem with when he was President."


ROTFLMAO.....


You have no idea where we were at that time.  It certainly was NOT at pro-Bush sites.

Obama is

                                                          G.W.BUSH III!!!

Different methods, same results.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 12, 2009, 11:28:04 am








                                                    CRITICISM = HATE


                                                               I N


                                                     O B A M E R I C A

First step to Despotism.Making a Idol-God from a man.Histori repeating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2VpNqqBdGg&feature=PlayList&p=FDF1623C28FB7357&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=15



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on June 12, 2009, 11:53:08 am
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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 12, 2009, 12:00:15 pm




Thank you for the clarification, Horus.

At least, one hopes, individuals would stay alert.

But, given the 'dumbing of American schools", do you think they were ever taught enough
history to cover post-WW I Germany?


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 12, 2009, 12:16:34 pm
Most of the things you people are blaming him for is stuff that either happened under Bush that people apparently didn't have any problem with when he was President.

OK Brandi, Krista, et al. I'd like the Obama supporters here to explain what the "Civilian National Defense Force" is for?  Escorting old ladies across the street?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdF5TQIv1fU&feature=related

"As strong and well-funded" as the current United States Military?  For "defense" against whom? The United States has never needed such a force and certainly cannot justify implementing this new "army" at the cost of trillions of dollars.

Obama's address to the Marines at Camp Lejeune on Friday , February 27th:

"We have learned that the 21st -- in the 21st century, we have to use all elements of American power to achieve our objectives, which is why I'm committed to building our civilian national security capacity so that the burden is not continually pushed onto our military."

What "objectives" require a large civilian national security army????????

The last time the world saw such a force -on this scale- was the Schutzstaffel (translates to "protection squads") or SS, the internal security force for the Third Reich of Nazi Germany  and occupied countries. 

(http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/ss28aopener.jpg)
(http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/lahorderarms.jpg)

It was their job to corral dissidents and undesirables into concentration camps in the '30s so that the general populace of German sheeple could be kept asleep.  And of course, in the '40s they oversaw the extermination camps.  The sad truth is that the people never wake up until they smell the bodies burning after its too late. Democracy is fragile and easily destroyed from within. And so Augustus Caesar seized total power, and so Napoleon crowned himself emperor, and so history is doomed to repeat itself.  :(
:) Finally,
Thank you RA-HOOR-KHUIT for sending Horus here!
Thank you Horus for understanding subject.
After Obamagirls I was thinking that I was pissing against the wind.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on June 12, 2009, 12:41:51 pm
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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 12, 2009, 12:48:21 pm






"Few are willing to connect the dots, and see the historical parallels. Despite a cyclical history of geophysical and astrophysical cataclysms, despite the cyclical history of civilizations and empires rising and falling, nobody ever believes that any of such things will befall them, nor that it will even happen in their lifetime."


Thank you, Horus.

I meant exactly that upthread when I said

                                                         "......at least stay alert."


But they'd rather say that I am a HATER and insinuate I am a 'right -winger' (yes, in their dreams!)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 12, 2009, 12:48:45 pm
Quote from: Harconen on 2009-06-10, 19:56:42
Quote from: HereForNow on 2009-06-10, 19:42:57
Tea-party with dollars instead of tea..
We'll all mail it to china and tell them, "Here you go"....
Every dime!



To keep them from saying we owe them.
 

We gave you everything we had.
Take it.


How?From where?Cut from space program, medical care, sell White House?



Ofcourse I know that NO ONE is going to give up all there assets.
I also know that parting with all their money is more important to them then freedom. REAL FREEDOM from all of this chaos. Sure it's hard. Sure we are convinced we need all these things.
However these are the very things that ENSLAVE US.
They are the reason there is an NWO, IRS, CIA, FBI, and so on.
MONEY is BEHIND all of this. Why?

GREED, CORRUPTION, LUST for POWER and everything that money can make other people do.
Yet WE can't seem to stop using it. Circulating it. Looking for ways to find more of it.
We aren't going to know what change is until we do this one thing for our own immortal souls.
FREE  OURSELVES FROM ALL WORLDLY THINGS..............................

Then we can know what that other side of ourselves is.

 The CREATIVE SIDE. The INTUITIVE SIDE.
THE BETTER QUALITIES.

We are wasting our times contributing to living the way we are. Depending on our abilities to have more money, is all the energy we are putting toward our understanding of all things?
We can't depend on this one thing, called money to have a life.
Knowing things like compassion, and unconditional love is limited to our abilities to focas souly on the greater purpose of our collective being.


We have to think outside the box.


O        O        O


O        O        O


O        O        O


Now try to connect all these dots using one line without lifting your pencil.
4 lines is your clue.
If you have never done this before then I must tell you. It is not as easy as you think.
Yet it CAN be done.


 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Byron on June 12, 2009, 01:17:52 pm
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OK Brandi, Krista, et al. I'd like the Obama supporters here to explain what the "Civilian National Defense Force" is for?  Escorting old ladies across the street?

Oh!  Can I play?  Can I?

There is no plan for a "Civilian National Defense Force."  Obama has offered one year in college for one year of PUBLIC service, such as teaching or practicing medicine in third world countries or depressed areas in America, for their country.

Kennedy did the same thing when he first established the Peace Corps.

Now, I know that angry right wingers are all eager to equate this with Hitler's gestapo, but if you had no issues with Kennedy's plan for national service, you shouldn't have any issue with Obama's plan either.

By the way, I found the pictures of Nazis walking in reference to the vague reference to a "Civilian National Defense Force" to be needless fear-mongering on your part, Horus. It's clear you are full of crap, as are most people on the internet who need to drag up old Adolph when they try and make a point.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Byron on June 12, 2009, 01:23:29 pm



".........Bush that people apparently didn't have any problem with when he was President."


ROTFLMAO.....


You have no idea where we were at that time.  It certainly was NOT at pro-Bush sites.

Obama is

                                                          G.W.BUSH III!!!

Different methods, same results.

Well, I have been at this forum since its inception, and you never posted anything as negative on Bush as you have been going through with Obama. In fact, I can't remember the last anti-Bush thing you even posted here, and I don't remember you ever posting anything against Cheney here at all.

I think we all know where your politics lie, Bianca, mainly that you were for Hillary, are pissed at the elections results and are incapable of getting over it. Fine, but don't blame other people for not seeing things from your point of view, or accuse them of being "groupies."  Hell, you are just as blind when it comes to getting a woman in there.   ;)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Byron on June 12, 2009, 01:31:41 pm
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It was their job to corral dissidents and undesirables into concentration camps in the '30s so that the general populace of German sheeple could be kept asleep.  And of course, in the '40s they oversaw the extermination camps.  The sad truth is that the people never wake up until they smell the bodies burning after its too late.


Aren't you the guy from Montenegro?  You should know with Slobadan Milosevic and his "ethnic cleansing."

I'll make everyone a deal.  When Obama begins opening death camps, gassing all you whites that didn't support him and begins killing off all the old people (not to mention invades Poland), I'll be the first one to tell you I was wrong.  :)

Until then, the over-dramatization, comparisons with Hitler, fascism, and/or socialism totally sound a lot like hyperventilating conspiracy theories on your parts (the sort of stuff you might find on Stormfront).

Gee, here is a thought, maybe the enemy is actually you?  There is an old saying, "don't look too deeply into the void lest the void stay back."


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 12, 2009, 01:38:27 pm
Notice how the Obamanoids never dispute any of the facts in the Obama Deception.

The Obama Deception

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7535755025025800195


Hey Byron, use your journalism skills to try and refute this.

I'll bet you can't   ;)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 12, 2009, 01:38:57 pm






Oh, Bryan,


do you really think that I was here all the time these years?

Why would I butt in when you were doing MY job against Bush & Cheney?

I was elsewhere doing a BETTER job!


As for Hillary?

She lost me went she went over the DARK SIDE a year ago!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 12, 2009, 01:40:27 pm
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OK Brandi, Krista, et al. I'd like the Obama supporters here to explain what the "Civilian National Defense Force" is for?  Escorting old ladies across the street?

Oh!  Can I play?  Can I?

There is no plan for a "Civilian National Defense Force."  Obama has offered one year in college for one year of PUBLIC service, such as teaching or practicing medicine in third world countries or depressed areas in America, for their country.

Kennedy did the same thing when he first established the Peace Corps.

Now, I know that angry right wingers are all eager to equate this with Hitler's gestapo, but if you had no issues with Kennedy's plan for national service, you shouldn't have any issue with Obama's plan either.

By the way, I found the pictures of Nazis walking in reference to the vague reference to a "Civilian National Defense Force" to be needless fear-mongering on your part, Horus. It's clear you are full of crap, as are most people on the internet who need to drag up old Adolph when they try and make a point.

Oh sure it starts out that way but then they get more and more power then next thing you know we have a police state.

Better crack open a History Book there Byron.   :)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on June 12, 2009, 01:41:40 pm
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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 12, 2009, 01:43:56 pm
The New World Order’s 25 Tenets:

1) Men are inclined to evil rather than good.

2) Preach Liberalism.

3) Use ideals of freedom to bring about class wars.

4) Any and all means necessary should be used to reach their goals as they are justified.

5) Believe their rights lie in force.

6) The power of their resources must remain invisible until the very moment that they have gained the strength so that no group or force can undermine it.

7) Advocates a mob psychology to obtain control of the masses

8 ) Promotes the use of alcohol, drugs, moral corruption, and all forms of vice to systematically corrupt the youth of the nation.

9) Seize citizens’ private property by any means necessary.

10) The use of slogans such as equity, liberty, and fraternity are used on the masses as psychological warfare.

11) War should be directed so that the nations on both sides are placed further in debt and peace conferences are designed so that neither combatant retain territory rights.

12) Members must use their wealth to have candidates chosen to public office who would be obedient to their demands, and would be used as pawns in the game by the men behind the scenes. The advisors will have been bred, reared, and trained from childhood to rule the affairs of the world.

13) Control the press, and hence most of the information the public receives.

14) Agents and provocateurs will come forward after creating traumatic situations, and appear to be the saviors of the masses, when they are actually interested in just the opposite, the reduction of the population.

15) Create industrial depression and financial panic, unemployment, hunger, shortage of food, use these events to control the masses and mobs. and use them to wipe out those who stand in the way.

16) Infiltrate Freemasonry which is to be used to conceal and further objectives.

17) Expound the value of systematic deception, use high sounding slogans and phrases, advocate lavish sounding promises to the masses even though they can’t be kept.

18) The art of street fighting is necessary to bring the population into subjection.

19) Use agents as provocateurs and advisers behind the scenes, and after wars use secret diplomacy talks to gain control.

20) Establish huge monopolies towards world government control.

21) Use high taxes and unfair competition to bring about economic ruin by controlling raw materials, organized agitation among the workers, and subsidizing competitors.

22) Build up armaments with police and soldiers who can protect and further New World Order interests.

23) Members and leaders of the one world government will be appointed by the director of the New World Order.

24) Infiltrate into all classes and levels of society and government for the purpose of teaching the youth in the schools theories and principles known to be false.

25) Create and use national and international laws to destroy civilization.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 12, 2009, 01:45:03 pm
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OK Brandi, Krista, et al. I'd like the Obama supporters here to explain what the "Civilian National Defense Force" is for?  Escorting old ladies across the street?

Oh!  Can I play?  Can I?

There is no plan for a "Civilian National Defense Force."  Obama has offered one year in college for one year of PUBLIC service, such as teaching or practicing medicine in third world countries or depressed areas in America, for their country.

Kennedy did the same thing when he first established the Peace Corps.

Now, I know that angry right wingers are all eager to equate this with Hitler's gestapo, but if you had no issues with Kennedy's plan for national service, you shouldn't have any issue with Obama's plan either.

By the way, I found the pictures of Nazis walking in reference to the vague reference to a "Civilian National Defense Force" to be needless fear-mongering on your part, Horus. It's clear you are full of crap, as are most people on the internet who need to drag up old Adolph when they try and make a point.

You certainly can play my smug little friend! FYI, I am definitely not a right-winger so refrain from a painting me up as a political adversary in order to discard the argument with this ad hominem tripe!

Obama has likened this proposed "force" to the current US military (WITH HIS OWN WORDS) -not to the Peace Corps! Laughable, Byron!
"No plan"? Odd that Barack keeps talking about it as I've already quoted from him. Now run along and get your GED while the adults discuss the historical parallels.  

GED !!!!!!    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Byron on June 12, 2009, 01:50:06 pm
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Oh sure it starts out that way but then they get more and more power then next thing you know we have a police state.

Better crack open a History Book there Byron.  
 

Dude, I have cracked a history book.  I know all about Hitler's rise, Mussolini's too, as well as Franco.  We had a police state under Bush, aren't you a little late with this patriotic outrage?  

How many of you raised any objections when Bush suspended habeas corpus?

How about when he first started rendition?

How about when he first started torturing people through the CIA?

Did anyone here say anything when they first saw the pix from Abu Gharib?

How about when he phonied the intelligence to get you into a war with Iraq?

How about when he wiretapped all your phones and started going through your bank accounts and your internet usage?

Even what library books you checked out?

See all those were real fascist policies that Bush actually impressed upon this country and most of your here never said a word.  So, excuse me if most here aren't impressed with your phony fears right now.



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Byron on June 12, 2009, 01:57:37 pm
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Obama has likened this proposed "force" to the current US military (WITH HIS OWN WORDS) -not to the Peace Corps! Laughable, Byron!
"No plan"? Odd that Barack keeps talking about it as I've already quoted from him. Now run along and get your GED while the adults discuss the historical parallels.  


You ARE a right winger, either that or you are a guy who simply gets afraid a lot - for no reason.

I'll buy the second, that you either scare easy or are a propagandist.

Go run along and fetch the quote for us if Obama actually said that, in it's proper context, little fella.  By the way, why do you want me to run along, can't you present any proof to back up your bull **** claims or don't you like being embarrassed?  

Since you think I haven't got my GED, I'll just assume you are an old geezer.   :)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 12, 2009, 02:28:33 pm
The New World Order’s 25 Tenets:

1) Men are inclined to evil rather than good.

2) Preach Liberalism.

3) Use ideals of freedom to bring about class wars.

4) Any and all means necessary should be used to reach their goals as they are justified.

5) Believe their rights lie in force.

6) The power of their resources must remain invisible until the very moment that they have gained the strength so that no group or force can undermine it.

7) Advocates a mob psychology to obtain control of the masses

8 ) Promotes the use of alcohol, drugs, moral corruption, and all forms of vice to systematically corrupt the youth of the nation.

9) Seize citizens’ private property by any means necessary.

10) The use of slogans such as equity, liberty, and fraternity are used on the masses as psychological warfare.

11) War should be directed so that the nations on both sides are placed further in debt and peace conferences are designed so that neither combatant retain territory rights.

12) Members must use their wealth to have candidates chosen to public office who would be obedient to their demands, and would be used as pawns in the game by the men behind the scenes. The advisors will have been bred, reared, and trained from childhood to rule the affairs of the world.

13) Control the press, and hence most of the information the public receives.

14) Agents and provocateurs will come forward after creating traumatic situations, and appear to be the saviors of the masses, when they are actually interested in just the opposite, the reduction of the population.

15) Create industrial depression and financial panic, unemployment, hunger, shortage of food, use these events to control the masses and mobs. and use them to wipe out those who stand in the way.

16) Infiltrate Freemasonry which is to be used to conceal and further objectives.

17) Expound the value of systematic deception, use high sounding slogans and phrases, advocate lavish sounding promises to the masses even though they can’t be kept.

18) The art of street fighting is necessary to bring the population into subjection.

19) Use agents as provocateurs and advisers behind the scenes, and after wars use secret diplomacy talks to gain control.

20) Establish huge monopolies towards world government control.

21) Use high taxes and unfair competition to bring about economic ruin by controlling raw materials, organized agitation among the workers, and subsidizing competitors.

22) Build up armaments with police and soldiers who can protect and further New World Order interests.

23) Members and leaders of the one world government will be appointed by the director of the New World Order.

24) Infiltrate into all classes and levels of society and government for the purpose of teaching the youth in the schools theories and principles known to be false.

25) Create and use national and international laws to destroy civilization.


Volitzer - how come you're the only one can quote these 25 points and with such authority too?  How the hell would you know what the New World Order would want to happen, unless you're a part of it, making it happen? 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on June 12, 2009, 02:32:47 pm
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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: iwannano on June 12, 2009, 02:44:50 pm
We have the younger generation pissed at the older generation and vice versa and I'd like to ask that anger be directed at those who are actually responsible.

Our government is too freaking big and gets bigger every second. It is not sustainable. The federal goverment was not supposed to be and can not continue to be the answer to everyone's problems. Enough is enough.

Republican, democrat or independent are all about themselves and their own power at our expense. I'm tired of it.

I've worked my ass off for 30 years to get to a comfortable point in my life and now I'm supposed to feel guilty because I can afford a nicer house, a nicer car or purchase a better private health care plan than someone just out of school. That's the dirty little secret no one talks about, the evil rich are supposed to be the guys who make all their money exploiting the less fortunate but more than likely the evil rich are people like most of you here who work, save, buy a house and sell it years later for more than you paid for it. Yes, that one year profit puts you in the evil rich category. That is the other secret of the evil rich group is that it is constantly in flux, one year your on the list and the next year you are not.

I am saying all that because although it may sound nice to want everyone to have health care we can't afford it and laying the burden on someone else, on top of being unfair, isn't sustainable. Not only do we never say thank you to those evil rich who pay most of the taxes but we demonize them for being rich because it makes us feel better when we hit them up for more of THEIR money.

I don't want my government telling me what kind of car to drive, how green my house should be or how much money I should make and we have a president now who believes that is the role of government and that scares me.

 Obama didn't start the process and can't be blamed for all that is happening but he may be the one to tip us over the edge of apathy and into action.  


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 12, 2009, 03:23:10 pm




QUOTE:



"We have the younger generation pissed at the older generation and vice versa......."



Don't judge the younger generation by what you read here, iwannano.

Not all of them are elitists and intellectuals, they are more like your generation who have to support
a family and make ends meet.  And, like you generation, they want what YOU wanted....

 

Take my word for it.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 12, 2009, 03:35:36 pm
Have fun.
                       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCjg_k2cifE&feature=related&pos=2

                       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Q_tXoWwo4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo%2Egoogle%2Ecom%2Fvideosearch%3Fq%3Dpiramide%2Bof%2Bpover%2Biluminati%2B%26www%5Fgoogle%5Fdomain%3Dwww%2Egoogle%2Ecom%26client%3Dopera%26emb%3D0&feature=player_embedded

                       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOs7q41-FQI&feature=related&pos=0

                       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxPYa5mVlYU&feature=related&pos=4

                       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxC7imP8di8&feature=related&pos=17

                       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_StdMbEIaXo&feature=related&pos=1

                       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un-N_HLQMwY&feature=related&pos=8


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on June 12, 2009, 03:50:01 pm
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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 12, 2009, 03:57:41 pm



"Let's agree to speak to the issue without verbally assaulting the person." 


Not his style, Horus......


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: iwannano on June 12, 2009, 04:05:03 pm
Bianca,

I was generalizing about the people from these particular threads and in a round about way demonstrating class envy. I do believe that the younger generation wants exactly what the older generation has but I also believe the "how" the older generation achieved what they did gets lost or is purposely distorted. America has always been the place to come to reach a standard of living not available to everyone elsewhere. But now achieving that simple goal of a better life is characterized as greed, selfishness.

I particularly was thinking of Byron who sounds young, very bright and not afraid to stand up for what he believes in. I would hope he wants to keep improving his lot in life in all aspects of it, i.e. worldly and spiritualy.He doesn't sound like someone who needs his governments help or directives to lead his life so I become concerned when he backs a president who, I believe, wants to continue what has gone on for years and make him, Byron, more dependent on his government for everything.

I believe the older gereration here has seen the gradual eroding of America and has been around long enough to remember when people took care of themselves. We are desperate to get back to the old days not so much for us, because we are short timers, but for our younger families.

Instead of buying into and playing the class envy game we should be trying to educate/convince. Instead of automatically dismissing some of the arguements from our generation the young guns ought to sit back and listen before calling us geezers. The young need the old and the old need the young. Our anger should be directed at the common enemy.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 12, 2009, 04:19:43 pm





I agree with every word, iwannano:

thankfully out there there are those who have and have had the sense to observe how everyday
life has diminished for their parents, even if they don't have a family to support. 

So, don't lose heart! 

I can't afford to, I have greatgrandchildren and I WANT a better life for them.



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 12, 2009, 04:51:32 pm
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It was their job to corral dissidents and undesirables into concentration camps in the '30s so that the general populace of German sheeple could be kept asleep.  And of course, in the '40s they oversaw the extermination camps.  The sad truth is that the people never wake up until they smell the bodies burning after its too late.


Aren't you the guy from Montenegro?  You should know with Slobadan Milosevic and his "ethnic cleansing."

I'll make everyone a deal.  When Obama begins opening death camps, gassing all you whites that didn't support him and begins killing off all the old people (not to mention invades Poland), I'll be the first one to tell you I was wrong.  :)

Until then, the over-dramatization, comparisons with Hitler, fascism, and/or socialism totally sound a lot like hyperventilating conspiracy theories on your parts (the sort of stuff you might find on Stormfront).

Gee, here is a thought, maybe the enemy is actually you?  There is an old saying, "don't look too deeply into the void lest the void stay back."
No "dude", I am the guy from Montenegro.
And with my life experience, I can smell the ashes, when it is about to come.Just because of NWO I have 15 years of: war, depresion, inflation and all of South Europe - Balkan horrors.Yes, I know who is the real enemy.So, I am "qualified" to give you advice.Don't talk like that about your ex President Bush.See the action that hi did, plan of action, and see continuity of that plan todey, plan 100 years old.Forget Bush, Obama, Klinton, Kennedy.See behind things, and you will see the future of ashes, if you don't wake up.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: iwannano on June 12, 2009, 05:08:14 pm
Harconen is what I am talking about when I say educate/convince. Even without knowing his personal story I can see no reason why he wouldn't be telling us the truth from his heart unless it is some new thing that makes you cool to describe how miserable living under a dictator can be.

You may say it will never happen here but these things don't happen overnight. The change is gradual until one day you wake up to a completely different country where it is your duty to work to support those who don't but vote the right way.

What can one do? Question everything, think things all the way through, think 10 years down the road, educate others with what you know and/or think, act with your vote and if that doesn't work act will civil disobedience. That was a sentence full of verbs but not the verb "wait" as in wait for someone else to do it for me.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 12, 2009, 06:02:34 pm
Harconen is what I am talking about when I say educate/convince. Even without knowing his personal story I can see no reason why he wouldn't be telling us the truth from his heart unless it is some new thing that makes you cool to describe how miserable living under a dictator can be.

You may say it will never happen here but these things don't happen overnight. The change is gradual until one day you wake up to a completely different country where it is your duty to work to support those who don't but vote the right way.

What can one do? Question everything, think things all the way through, think 10 years down the road, educate others with what you know and/or think, act with your vote and if that doesn't work act will civil disobedience. That was a sentence full of verbs but not the verb "wait" as in wait for someone else to do it for me.
       Thak you iwannano.You can see throe things.When I was finished army service in JNA, it was 1990.I was 19, and my paymant on jobe was about 2000$.Todey, for same job you have 300$.During 90-is it was abour 3-5$.Sanctions, like on Kuba.It's ended at 2000.Betwean 1990 and 2000, we have 4 war's,about 960.000 victims of war.
       I was angry on my President about that, like this yung man on Bush ( and worse ).But he was not  guilty.Bush also, Obama too.Not guity.NWO is.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 12, 2009, 06:32:48 pm
Victor Davis Hanson, a professor of classics and a brilliant conservative, deconstructs Obama’s many, many lies:

Politicians often go back on earlier promises, and they often exaggerate (remember Obama’s “10,000” who died in a Kansas tornado [12 perished], or his belief that properly inflating tires saves as much energy as offshore drilling can produce?). But the extent of Obama’s distortions suggests that he has complete confidence that observers in the media do not care — or at least do not care enough to inform the public.

The “Big Lie.” Team Obama says that Judge Sotomayor misspoke when she asserted that Latinas were inherently better judges than white males. Yet the people around Obama knew before Sotomayor was nominated that she has reiterated such racialist sentiments repeatedly over many years.

~snip~

Obama is a postmodernist. He believes that all truth is relative, and that assertions gain or lose credibility depending on the race, class, and gender of the speaker. In Obama’s case, his misleading narrative is intended for higher purposes. Thus it is truthful in a way that accurate facts offered by someone of a different, more privileged class and race might not be.

~snip~

our president is a product of a multicultural education: Facts either cannot be ascertained or do not matter, given that the overriding concern is to promote an equality of result among various contending groups. That is best done by inflating the aspirations of those without power, and deflating the “dominant narratives” of those with it.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 12, 2009, 06:43:46 pm
Let's hear the very words of JFK about a global conspiracy.
Look them up and what is going on is there.




http://bulletins.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=bulletin.read&authorID=200013926&messageID=6471074200


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 12, 2009, 09:31:00 pm
 8)

Now we can talk.And act.

HereForNow, 9000 karma + to you.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Byron on June 13, 2009, 12:12:47 am



"Let's agree to speak to the issue without verbally assaulting the person." 


Not his style, Horus......


A little projection going on here, Bianca?  How many names have you called Obama supporters?  Would you like me to go back and compile a list for you?  Just in the last page, you called them "groupies."

In any event, you can feel free to go back into my posts and see if I have called you any names, I haven't.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Byron on June 13, 2009, 12:20:42 am
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No "dude", I am the guy from Montenegro.
And with my life experience, I can smell the ashes, when it is about to come.Just because of NWO I have 15 years of: war, depresion, inflation and all of South Europe - Balkan horrors.Yes, I know who is the real enemy.So, I am "qualified" to give you advice.Don't talk like that about your ex President Bush.See the action that hi did, plan of action, and see continuity of that plan todey, plan 100 years old.Forget Bush, Obama, Klinton, Kennedy.See behind things, and you will see the future of ashes, if you don't wake up.

My apologies, I misread you quoting Horus and mistakenly applied it to you.

But that does not change the fact that you are, in fact, most of you, in error.  If you certainly saw no "danger signs" of upcoming fascism with Bush and his many war crimes, you are certainly not in any position to attribute these same sorts of motives to Obama.  The fascism was under Bush, it has not continued under Obama.

Most of his actions - closing Guantonomo, drawing down the troops in Iraq, trying to keep the pictures of detainee abuse from being released, are an attempt to mop up the mess that Bush has left for him, they are NOT an attempt to seize new power.

If and when he starts ethnic cleansing like Milosevi, then you can tell me that I was wrong, until then, these ideas you have are simply a conspiracy theorists' fantasy.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Byron on June 13, 2009, 12:54:26 am
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BTW, Byron, my apologies for insulting your intelligence with the "GED" comment. I didn't take kindly to being called a "fearmonger full of crap".  Let's agree to speak to the issue without verbally assaulting the person.  Wink

Fine by me, I don't have any hard feelings.

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My comparison of Obama's proposed "civillian defense force" (to enforce "national security objectives" -whatever those are- and to be of equal strength and power to the existing military) to the formation of Nazi SS is a valid, historical comparison. 

First off, there isn't a "civilian defense force," it isn't even in the budget.  I am aware that there is a lot of propaganda about it on the internet, but do some homework and you will see he is not talking about a civilian army but a pool of volunteers with special skill set's, (Dr.s lawyers, engineers, etc.) who can be called upon at need to pitch in and do things the military is to stretched or unqualified to do.

With many of the National Guards sent overseas in Iraq, it is only logical to have some more reserves!  It is not a draft, there are no uiniforms, he is simply talking about public service, again, like Kennedy did with the Peace Corps.

What you are referring to is one speech, taken out of context, and blown up by the right wing media.  Look up his actual proposal, as oppposed to read the media propaganda.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Byron on June 13, 2009, 01:21:38 am
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BTW, Byron, my apologies for insulting your intelligence with the "GED" comment. I didn't take kindly to being called a "fearmonger full of crap".  Let's agree to speak to the issue without verbally assaulting the person.  Wink

Fine by me, I don't have any hard feelings. And I would also like to apologize to you for calling you an old geezer.  :)

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My comparison of Obama's proposed "civillian defense force" (to enforce "national security objectives" -whatever those are- and to be of equal strength and power to the existing military) to the formation of Nazi SS is a valid, historical comparison. 

First off, there isn't a "civilian defense force," it isn't even in the budget.  I am aware that there is a lot of propaganda about it on the internet, but do some homework and you will see he is not talking about a civilian army but a pool of volunteers with special skill set's, (Dr.s lawyers, engineers, etc.) who can be called upon at need to pitch in and do things the military is to stretched or unqualified to do.

With many of the National Guards sent overseas in Iraq, it is only logical to have some more reserves.  It is not a draft, there are no uiniforms, he is simply talking about public service, again, like Kennedy did with the Peace Corps. Again, if you had no issues with Kennedy's plan, you shouldn't have any problem with Obama's.

What you are referring to is one speech, taken out of context, and blown up by the right wing media.  He uses the word, "army" rhetorically, not literally. Look up his actual proposal, as oppposed to read the media propaganda:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.1388:


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Byron on June 13, 2009, 01:37:53 am
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I've worked my ass off for 30 years to get to a comfortable point in my life and now I'm supposed to feel guilty because I can afford a nicer house, a nicer car or purchase a better private health care plan than someone just out of school. That's the dirty little secret no one talks about, the evil rich are supposed to be the guys who make all their money exploiting the less fortunate but more than likely the evil rich are people like most of you here who work, save, buy a house and sell it years later for more than you paid for it. Yes, that one year profit puts you in the evil rich category. That is the other secret of the evil rich group is that it is constantly in flux, one year your on the list and the next year you are not.

I am saying all that because although it may sound nice to want everyone to have health care we can't afford it and laying the burden on someone else, on top of being unfair, isn't sustainable. Not only do we never say thank you to those evil rich who pay most of the taxes but we demonize them for being rich because it makes us feel better when we hit them up for more of THEIR money.

I don't want my government telling me what kind of car to drive, how green my house should be or how much money I should make and we have a president now who believes that is the role of government and that scares me.

iwannano, I don't doubt that you worked hard and don't resent you for finally having things that you aspired to having.

What about all the people at GM and Chrysler who have been recently been laid off, as well as the millions of others that have also been laid off during this recession?  Do you think that any of them worked hard?  You are damned right they did, and they deserve better than a system where Wall Street plays fast and loose with the rules, where politicians are all bought and paid for by the rich corporations and where outsourcing has sent ALL our manufacturing overseas.

And, getting to heath care, GM and Chrysler may have never gone bankrupt had they not had to pay legacy costs for all their retirees health insurance.

And that is why we need NATIONAL HEALTH CARE.  You are not paying for other peoples' health care, we all are!  Your premiums rise because the only way people without health care get medical attention is to go to the emergency room.  Did you know that 61% of the people who declare bankruptcy in this country do it because of medical bills?  All it takes is one serious illness, heart disease or cancer, to wipe you out. People, in their declining years, deserve to go out with some dignity, not to let how much money they make decide whether they live or die.

Oh, and the decline in this country began with Reagan, when all the outsourcing started.  We used to manufacture everything here and were the worlds biggest exporter, now we are the worlds biggest importer and make nothing!  All  because of Reagan and his successors (even Clinton) practicing Reaganomics.  NAFTA, negotiated by George H.W. Bush, and signed by Clinton, was the death knell for American manufacturing. 

That is why I really have a hard time with everyone here apparently trying to blame Obama, ALL your prior leaders have betrayed you.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Winter Soldier on June 13, 2009, 02:01:11 am
The comparisons with Hitler are actually more apt when dealing with Bush than Obama.  Both Hitler and Bush used false flag operations as excuses to seize more power for themselves: Hitler with the Reichstag Fire and Bush with the 9/11 attacks.

Too often in this country have its people laid down and allowed its government to steal their civil liberties.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 13, 2009, 06:28:35 am









                                                       Just Make Stuff Up



                                             President Obama’s war on the truth.






By Victor Davis Hanson
National Review
June 12, 2009

In the first six months of the Obama administration, we have witnessed an assault on the truth of a magnitude not seen since the Nixon Watergate years. The prevarication is ironic given the Obama campaign’s accusations that the Bush years were not transparent and that Hillary Clinton, like her husband, was a chronic fabricator. Remember Obama’s own assertions that he was a “student of history” and that “words mean something. You can’t just make stuff up.”

Yet Obama’s war against veracity is multifaceted.

Trotskyization. Sometimes the past is simply airbrushed away. Barack Obama has a disturbing habit of contradicting his past declarations as if spoken words did not mean much at all. The problem is not just that once-memorable statements about everything from NAFTA to public campaign financing were contradicted by his subsequent actions. Rather, these pronouncements simply were ignored to the point of making it seem they were never really uttered at all.

What is stunning about Obama’s hostile demagoguery about Bush’s War on Terror is not that he has now contradicted himself on one or two particulars. Instead, he has reversed himself on every major issue — renditions, military tribunals, intercepts, wiretaps, Predator drone attacks, the release of interrogation photos, Iraq (and, I think, soon Guantanamo Bay) — and yet never acknowledged these reversals.

Are we supposed to think that Obama was never against these protocols at all? Or that he still remains opposed to them even as he keeps them in place? Meanwhile, his attorney general, Eric Holder, is as voluble on the excesses of the Bush War on Terror as he is silent about his own earlier declarations that detainees in this war were not entitled to the protections of the Geneva Convention.

Politicians often go back on earlier promises, and they often exaggerate (remember Obama’s “10,000” who died in a Kansas tornado [12 perished], or his belief that properly inflating tires saves as much energy as offshore drilling can produce?). But the extent of Obama’s distortions suggests that he has complete confidence that observers in the media do not care — or at least do not care enough to inform the public.

The “Big Lie.” Team Obama says that Judge Sotomayor misspoke when she asserted that Latinas were inherently better judges than white males. Yet the people around Obama knew before Sotomayor was nominated that she has reiterated such racialist sentiments repeatedly over many years.

Obama complained that his deficits were largely inherited — even though his newly projected annual deficit and aggregate increase in the national debt may well, if they are not circumvented, equal all the deficit spending compiled by all previous administrations combined.

The president lectures Congress on its financial excesses. He advocates “pay as you go” budgeting. But he remains silent about the unfunded liabilities involved in his own proposals for cap-and-trade, universal health care, and education reform, which will in aggregate require well over a trillion dollars in new spending on top of existing deficits — but without any “pay as you go” proposals to fund them.

By the same token, his promise that 95 percent of Americans will receive an Obama “tax cut” is impossible. Remember, almost 40 percent of households currently pay no income taxes at all — and the $1.7-trillion annual deficit will necessitate a broad array of taxes well beyond those assessed on incomes above $250,000.

Obama talks about cutting federal outlays by eliminating $17 billion in expenditures — one-half of one percent of a $3.4-trillion budget. Here the gap between rhetoric and reality is already so wide that it simply makes no difference whether one goes completely beyond the limits of belief. Why would a liberal “budget hawk” go through the trouble of trying to cut 10 or 20 percent of the budget when he might as well celebrate a 0.5 percent cut and receive the same amount of credit or disdain? If one is going to distort, one might as well distort whole-hog.

Outright historical dissimulation. On matters of history, we now know that much of what President Obama says is either not factual or at least misleading. He predictably errs on the side of political correctness. During the campaign, there was his inaccurate account of his great-uncle’s role in liberating Auschwitz. In Berlin, he asserted that the world — rather than the American and British air forces — came together to pull off the Berlin Airlift.

In the Cairo speech, nearly every historical allusion was nonfactual or inexact: the fraudulent claims that Muslims were responsible for European, Chinese, and Hindu discoveries; the notion that a Christian Córdoba was an example of Islamic tolerance during the Inquisition; the politically correct canard that the Renaissance and Enlightenment were fueled by Arab learning; the idea that abolition and civil rights in the United States were accomplished without violence — as if 600,000 did not die in the Civil War, or entire swaths of Detroit, Gary, Newark, and Los Angeles did not go up in flames in the 1960s.

Here we see the omnipotent influence of Obama’s multicultural creed: Western civilization is unexceptional in comparison with other cultures, and history must be the story of an ecumenical, global shared brotherhood.


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Post by: Bianca on June 13, 2009, 06:32:07 am







The half-, and less-than-half, truth. At other times, Obama throws out historical references that are deliberately incomplete. To placate critical hosts, he evokes the American dropping of the bomb. But he is silent about the impossible choices for the Allies — after Japanese atrocities in Manchuria, Korea, the Philippines, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa — facing the necessity of stopping a Japanese imperial killing machine, determined to fight to the death.

He lectures about equivalent culpability between Muslims and Americans without mentioning American largess to Egypt, Jordan, and the Palestinians. He mostly ignores American military efforts to save Muslims in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, Kuwait, and Somalia — and American criticism of Russia’s and China’s treatment of their own persecuted Muslim minorities.

When Obama contextualizes the United States’ treatment of Muslims, does he do so in comparison to the Chinese treatment of the Uighurs, the Russians in Chechnya and Afghanistan, or the European colonial experience in North Africa?    

When he cites European colonialism’s pernicious role in the Middle East, does he mention nearly 400 years of Ottoman Muslim colonial rule in the Arab-speaking world? Or the Muslim world’s own role in sending several million sub-Saharan Africans to the Middle East as slaves? By no stretch of the imagination is purported Western bias against Islam commensurate with the Islamic threats that have been issued to Danish cartoonists, British novelists, the pope, or German opera producers.

Obama surely knows that a mosque is acceptable in America and Europe in a way that a church is not in most of the Gulf States, or that Muslims freely voice their beliefs in Rotterdam and Dearborn in a way Westerners dare not in Tehran, Damascus, or Riyadh.

Here we see the classic notion of the “noble lie,” or the assumption that facts are to be cited or ignored in accordance with the intended aim: Interfaith reconciliation means downplaying Muslim excesses, or treating Islamic felonies as equivalent with Western misdemeanors.

Why has President Obama developed a general disregard for the truth, in a manner far beyond typical politicians who run one way and govern another, or hide failures and broadcast successes?

First, he has confidence that the media will not be censorious and will simply accept his fiction as fact. A satirist, after all, could not make up anything to match the obsequious journalists who bow to their president, proclaim him a god, and receive sexual-like tingles up their appendages.

Second, Obama is a postmodernist. He believes that all truth is relative, and that assertions gain or lose credibility depending on the race, class, and gender of the speaker. In Obama’s case, his misleading narrative is intended for higher purposes. Thus it is truthful in a way that accurate facts offered by someone of a different, more privileged class and race might not be.

Third, Obama talks more than almost any prior president, weighing in on issues from Stephen Colbert’s haircut, to Sean Hannity’s hostility, to the need to wash our hands. In Obama’s way of thinking, his receptive youthful audiences are proof of his righteousness and wisdom — and empower him to pontificate on matters he knows nothing about.

Finally, our president is a product of a multicultural education: Facts either cannot be ascertained or do not matter, given that the overriding concern is to promote an equality of result among various contending groups. That is best done by inflating the aspirations of those without power, and deflating the “dominant narratives” of those with it.

The problem in the next four years will be not just that the president of the United States serially does not tell the truth. Instead, the real crisis in our brave new relativist world will be that those who demonstrate that he is untruthful will themselves be accused of lying.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 13, 2009, 01:24:21 pm
Hmm it seems that everything one can study about the awakening as we call it.
Is showing merit and has tested possitive.
The results of this are as followed.

1. We are manifesting all of this for the sake of a singular energy we are directing.

2. Everything that has been said here is being said differently but continuously.

3. This is appearent in a flowing pattern which consists of the same informations and ideas expressed.

4. Outside of what we discuss, people out there are reading us and finding something in what we are all discussing being something that they agree or disagree with strongly. Suggesting that what they feel personally is correct. The energy produced is not good energies because it makes nothing better.

5. No matter what we beleive is or isn't, the facts about everything. We also have to remember individual enviroments. As some people here are in school. Some working 8 to 12 hour days. Some are Moms and Dads. Some are teachers and still others who come to learn. It plays a huge role in the ways we preceive all things.

Questioning the world around is good. Questioning your own reasoning, is looking beyond what you think you know. This starts with what we learn about who and what we are outside of all the nonsence and chaos. These things we share with one another are good for making us more expressive.
However what knowledge of agenda is going to change the "Now" of our own motivations?
None I'm affraid! People must show better things in spirit and in all things that follow in order to endure.
Without this singal act of change regaurdless of the acts of others. We can change the world and the outcome of what follows. Standing at the base of a mammoth tree we look above to the many branches leading off the body of this divine creature.

As does our understanding, branch off of from the root.
So must what we learn about our real selves at their roots.
We are a baby in relation to the complete family in what we are connected with.
Forget what we learn blindly from outside of ourselves.
Embrace your feelings as a part of your better judgements.

Sure I will admit that I don't support Obama.
Sure I will also admit that I also don't support politics or many worldly ways.
One of the big reasons I refuse these things is because look at everything.
We can trust nothing we see nor hear from each other and even ourselves.
Yet no one here can say that everything in their own lives is perfect.

We take that something someone else is expressing is what they beleive. However many who post here answer before learning the whole picture. I catch myself doing it. You can agree or disagree that some of you might do this. However before we debate that too. Read you own posts from time to time.
Go back a year and see you having just about the same conversation about something that your having now. Somewhere in all of it you can see where your thinking was swayed and where it remained consistant with the majority. And you can see where your messages remained the same.

Right or wrong doesn't matter here.
Everyone is wrong. Everyone is right.
Debate result at the moment is being pulled in the direction of what is right and wrong.


 ::)
That can't be decided at the moment because we are all from different enviroments and systems.
What we think we know, is naturally going to be different.
We are not looking at this from a bird's-eye point of veiw sorta speak.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 13, 2009, 01:47:37 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF8Bfukr37A&feature=player_embedded
 ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7pi-5qjReQ&feature=player_embedded
Main stream.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ju0U5HPqQI&feature=player_embedded
White House.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 13, 2009, 01:56:37 pm
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No "dude", I am the guy from Montenegro.
And with my life experience, I can smell the ashes, when it is about to come.Just because of NWO I have 15 years of: war, depresion, inflation and all of South Europe - Balkan horrors.Yes, I know who is the real enemy.So, I am "qualified" to give you advice.Don't talk like that about your ex President Bush.See the action that hi did, plan of action, and see continuity of that plan todey, plan 100 years old.Forget Bush, Obama, Klinton, Kennedy.See behind things, and you will see the future of ashes, if you don't wake up.

My apologies, I misread you quoting Horus and mistakenly applied it to you.

But that does not change the fact that you are, in fact, most of you, in error.  If you certainly saw no "danger signs" of upcoming fascism with Bush and his many war crimes, you are certainly not in any position to attribute these same sorts of motives to Obama.  The fascism was under Bush, it has not continued under Obama.

Most of his actions - closing Guantonomo, drawing down the troops in Iraq, trying to keep the pictures of detainee abuse from being released, are an attempt to mop up the mess that Bush has left for him, they are NOT an attempt to seize new power.

If and when he starts ethnic cleansing like Milosevi, then you can tell me that I was wrong, until then, these ideas you have are simply a conspiracy theorists' fantasy.
        I am not pro Bush or against Obama.They are same to me.Because they are working for NWO.You can't become President of U.S.A., if they don't approve it.NWO is not from yesterday, and didn't stop working after Obama come.U.S. Army is still in Iraq.Iraq have 1.000.000 deaths after "end" of war.Isn't that ethnic cleasing?Is it stoped now when Obama is "President"?No, because NWO is President of U.S.
About Milosevic.I did my part in fight against him.Hi is past away, but NWO isn't.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 13, 2009, 01:59:53 pm
Now mind you. This is just youtube results of what information is being made public and contributes to the 0 support of Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJu0DgpiK8c


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 13, 2009, 02:06:29 pm
Goto Yahoo. MSN, Twitter, myspace, facebook and so on.
What we publish here only reflects what we are taking in through the old "WWW".....
Doesn't World Wide Web connect the NWO to us?

 :o Yet how many of you will stop using it?
LOL



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 13, 2009, 02:16:33 pm
Ladies and Gentalmen, we are the problem.
We contribute more then Bush and Obama to disorder then any government or singal world leader on Earth.
We are why we are misinformed and stand politically incorrect. This is because of what still others in which we are connected via WWW, radio, and television are answering questions with answers they conclude as truth and regaurd as being the holy grail of information.

Yet we are listening to ourselves say "Hmmm" what if?
 ;D And those circles I mentioned we are running around in are at the root of our collective fears.
These feelings of fear are why we can't beleive that something we hear different from what we beleive, is or atleast might have some truth to it. This is why I am against ALL politics and why I am saying that the debate the way we see it now, is pointless.

Again we are pointing fingers here, but no one is looking in any mirrors and seeing what pepple is in our own eyes, that made us see the boulder between another's shoulders.
Respectfully, we are all actually incorrect.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 13, 2009, 05:17:49 pm
Can't do anything with Bilderberg run voting machines.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 13, 2009, 05:53:01 pm
Can't do anything with Bilderberg run voting machines.
Yes you can, expose it to people.Bilderberg moto is Devide&Conquer.People shouldn't devide themselves on Republicans or Democrats.Thay should know that, in real World of Big Brother machine, it is not relevant the vote they have.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 13, 2009, 05:59:09 pm
Can't do anything with Bilderberg run voting machines.
Yes you can, expose it to people.Bilderberg moto is Devide&Conquer.People shouldn't devide themselves on Republicans or Democrats.Thay should know that, in real World of Big Brother machine, it is not relevant the vote they have.

I agree with you.

I just wish the "public" was as enlightened as we are here.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 13, 2009, 06:16:59 pm
Can't do anything with Bilderberg run voting machines.
Yes you can, expose it to people.Bilderberg moto is Devide&Conquer.People shouldn't devide themselves on Republicans or Democrats.Thay should know that, in real World of Big Brother machine, it is not relevant the vote they have.

I agree with you.

I just wish the "public" was as enlightened as we are here.
Some of them are, and still work fore Dark Side.They use words like "you hate Obama" levelling up negative energy, using mind control technique, and devide people.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 13, 2009, 06:22:10 pm
So, here is some positive energy for all of us.



                                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqldwoDXHKg&feature=related


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Patsy Fahlgren on June 13, 2009, 07:48:14 pm
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Some of them are, and still work fore Dark Side.They use words like "you hate Obama" levelling up negative energy, using mind control technique, and devide people.


And then, there are some of you here that sure seem to hate Obama!  Some of the pictures of him in this thread, for instance, sure seem to look pretty contemptuous of him.









Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 13, 2009, 07:55:36 pm
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Some of them are, and still work fore Dark Side.They use words like "you hate Obama" levelling up negative energy, using mind control technique, and devide people.


And then, there are some of you here that sure seem to hate Obama!  Some of the pictures of him in this thread, for instance, sure seem to look pretty contemptuous of him.








No, my Lady.He is like that by nature. ;)



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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 13, 2009, 07:57:30 pm
So instead of Obama - who do you suppose could clean up the Bush mess and how do you propose they do it?  Here is a little idea that came my way and it looks like a good one for starters.  It's addressed to our Prime Minister, but it would COULD easily say Dear Mr. President:

Dear Prime Minister Harper and Team,
 
Please find below my suggestion for fixing Canada's  economy.  Instead of
giving billions of dollars to banks and car companies that will  squander the
 money on lavish parties and unearned bonuses, use the following  plan: There
 are about 20 million people over 50 in the work force. Pay them  $1 million
 apiece severance for early retirement with the following stipulations:

1) They MUST retire. Twenty million job openings - Unemployment fixed.
 
2) They MUST buy a new Canadian CAR. Twenty million cars ordered
- Auto Industry fixed.
 
3) They MUST either buy a house or pay off their mortgage -
Housing Crisis
 fixed.
 
4) They must send their kids to school / college /university -
Crime rate
 fixed

5) Buy $50 of alcohol / tobacco / petrol a week... there's your  money back
 in duty/tax etc
 
It can't get any easier than that!
 
P.S. If more money is needed, have all members of parliament pay  back their
 falsely claimed expenses and second home allowances.
 




Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 13, 2009, 08:06:36 pm
So instead of Obama - who do you suppose could clean up the Bush mess and how do you propose they do it?  Here is a little idea that came my way and it looks like a good one for starters.  It's addressed to our Prime Minister, but it would COULD easily say Dear Mr. President:

Dear Prime Minister Harper and Team,
 
Please find below my suggestion for fixing Canada's  economy.  Instead of
giving billions of dollars to banks and car companies that will  squander the
 money on lavish parties and unearned bonuses, use the following  plan: There
 are about 20 million people over 50 in the work force. Pay them  $1 million
 apiece severance for early retirement with the following stipulations:

1) They MUST retire. Twenty million job openings - Unemployment fixed.
 
2) They MUST buy a new Canadian CAR. Twenty million cars ordered
- Auto Industry fixed.
 
3) They MUST either buy a house or pay off their mortgage -
Housing Crisis
 fixed.
 
4) They must send their kids to school / college /university -
Crime rate
 fixed

5) Buy $50 of alcohol / tobacco / petrol a week... there's your  money back
 in duty/tax etc
 
It can't get any easier than that!
 
P.S. If more money is needed, have all members of parliament pay  back their
 falsely claimed expenses and second home allowances.
 



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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 13, 2009, 09:11:55 pm
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Classical .Welcome to U.S. of China.
;D


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 13, 2009, 09:27:58 pm
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Classical .Welcome to U.S. of China.
;D
;D

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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 13, 2009, 09:55:52 pm
Okay Obamanoids let's see if you can make a supportive argument for Obama without bringing in the race card ??

I'll bet you can't.    :-X


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 13, 2009, 10:48:45 pm
Volitzer!
Why don't you leave poor reptilians alone.


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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 13, 2009, 11:54:31 pm
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 14, 2009, 12:05:28 am







                               White Democrats That Don’t Vote For Obama Are Racist







So, it’s a given … Conservatives and moderate republicans are not voting for Obama … Written-off. Race card isn’t going to work on them anymore to sway their “white guilt” vote.

So, where does the strong-arm of the democrat party go with their ‘racist’ billyclubs?

Well, to ‘their own’ constituents … Guilt. Guilt. Guilt. If you are a democrat, and you don’t vote for Obama it’s ONLY because he’s black. Not because you do not agree with his ‘plans’ for this country.

Not because you do not trust his SHADY associations.

Not because you think he isn’t experienced enough to hold the office of POTUS.

No, it’s ONLY because you, you ungrateful democrat voters, are






                                                           R A C I S T


           


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bird of Prey on June 14, 2009, 12:20:33 am
So instead of Obama - who do you suppose could clean up the Bush mess and how do you propose they do it?  Here is a little idea that came my way and it looks like a good one for starters.  It's addressed to our Prime Minister, but it would COULD easily say Dear Mr. President:

Dear Prime Minister Harper and Team,
 
Please find below my suggestion for fixing Canada's  economy.  Instead of
giving billions of dollars to banks and car companies that will  squander the
 money on lavish parties and unearned bonuses, use the following  plan: There
 are about 20 million people over 50 in the work force. Pay them  $1 million
 apiece severance for early retirement with the following stipulations:

1) They MUST retire. Twenty million job openings - Unemployment fixed.
 
2) They MUST buy a new Canadian CAR. Twenty million cars ordered
- Auto Industry fixed.
 
3) They MUST either buy a house or pay off their mortgage -
Housing Crisis
 fixed.
 
4) They must send their kids to school / college /university -
Crime rate
 fixed

5) Buy $50 of alcohol / tobacco / petrol a week... there's your  money back
 in duty/tax etc
 
It can't get any easier than that!
 
P.S. If more money is needed, have all members of parliament pay  back their
 falsely claimed expenses and second home allowances.
 



Classical (http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4151/comunismn.jpg) (http://img26.imageshack.us/i/comunismn.jpg/).Welcome to U.S. of China.


Capitalism isn't that great a system.  It only profits the rich!  The use of the words "socialism" and "communism" are simply propaganda words, used by the rich to get the poor to vote against their own best interest.

Why do you think that the world is in a global recession right now?  Because of relaxed federal regulations allowing the rich to steal more.

To the extent that people have issued with socialism and the like, it is that they are really talking about being against dictatorships, which is exclusive from a socialistic model in itself.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bird of Prey on June 14, 2009, 12:22:42 am
Okay Obamanoids let's see if you can make a supportive argument for Obama without bringing in the race card ??

I'll bet you can't.    :-X

Aren't they, for the most part?  What's with bringing up this birth certificate business?  As someone else brought up here, they didn't do that with George W. Bush, no matter what other issues they had with him.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 14, 2009, 12:26:25 am






JUST A REMINDER:



                                                 THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL SITE




                                    SOME PEOPLE ONLY POST ON POLITICAL SUBJECTS.




                              THERE ARE 47 (FORTY - SEVEN) DIFFERENT SECTIONS HERE



FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, SURELY YOU ARE BRIGHT ENOUGH TO ENGAGE IN MORE THAN ONE OR TWO!



Thank you,
b


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bird of Prey on June 14, 2009, 12:28:05 am



                               White Democrats That Don’t Vote For Obama Are Racist


So, it’s a given … Conservatives and moderate republicans are not voting for Obama … Written-off. Race card isn’t going to work on them anymore to sway their “white guilt” vote.

So, where does the strong-arm of the democrat party go with their ‘racist’ billyclubs?

Well, to ‘their own’ constituents … Guilt. Guilt. Guilt. If you are a democrat, and you don’t vote for Obama it’s ONLY because he’s black. Not because you do not agree with his ‘plans’ for this country.

Not because you do not trust his SHADY associations.

Not because you think he isn’t experienced enough to hold the office of POTUS.

No, it’s ONLY because you, you ungrateful democrat voters, are






                                                           R A C I S T


                                 

Well, this picture is totally racist, and I am pretty sure it also breaks the forum rules.

The article is pretty bad, too.  Sure, Obama has some pretty shady asssociates, but everyone who has been in office has had some of their own as well. Are they all to blame for their crimes, too, or is only Obama to be dealt the "guiilt by association" label?

When Obama first got elected, one white supremacist was so made he simply grabbed his gun and went to "shoot black people."  He killed two before the cops got him.

There is a racist element to the anti-Obama crowd no matter whether the people in this thread wish to acknowledge it or not.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 14, 2009, 12:29:30 am






                               White Democrats That Don’t Vote For Obama Are Racist







So, it’s a given … Conservatives and moderate republicans are not voting for Obama … Written-off. Race card isn’t going to work on them anymore to sway their “white guilt” vote.

So, where does the strong-arm of the democrat party go with their ‘racist’ billyclubs?

Well, to ‘their own’ constituents … Guilt. Guilt. Guilt. If you are a democrat, and you don’t vote for Obama it’s ONLY because he’s black. Not because you do not agree with his ‘plans’ for this country.

Not because you do not trust his SHADY associations.

Not because you think he isn’t experienced enough to hold the office of POTUS.

No, it’s ONLY because you, you ungrateful democrat voters, are






                                                           R A C I S T




Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bird of Prey on June 14, 2009, 12:30:48 am


JUST A REMINDER:



                                                 THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL SITE




                                    SOME PEOPLE ONLY POST ON POLITICAL SUBJECTS.




                              THERE ARE 47 (FORTY - SEVEN) DIFFERENT SECTIONS HERE



FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, SURELY YOU ARE BRIGHT ENOUGH TO ENGAGE IN MORE THAN ONE OR TWO!



Thank you,
b

Point taken, but Bianca, you started this thread!  If you don't like the responses you are getting, I suppose you could always ask for it to be closed. ???


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 14, 2009, 12:40:29 am





QUOTE:


"Point taken, but Bianca, you started this thread!  If you don't like the responses you are getting, I suppose you could always ask for it to be closed."



---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Why should I close it?

If, at my age, I can contribute to this site as much and as varied as I do, I can't see why the rest of you should just confine yourselves to ONE subject!!


It certainly has nothing to do with the content of this thread.


Surely, out of 47 sections, you must be interested in at least ONE more than politics......


It is just a matter of 


                                "chewing gum and walking at the same time......."


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bird of Prey on June 14, 2009, 01:55:30 am
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If, at my age, I can contribute to this site as much and as varied as I do, I can't see why the rest of you should just confine yourselves to ONE subject!!

I don't understand what you're talking about.  I have contributed a good section of an online book devoted to UFOs (one of my areas of interest).  Others posting in this thread seem to have a lot of posts attributed to them as well.

Are you saying that you only want anti-Obama opinions expressed here or that you want to be the sole person posting in this thread?  Because, last I heard this is a free forum and anyone here is allowed to express an opinion.   Sorry if they don't all seem to share your taste in politics.   ???

Again, the picture above probably breaks the rules, you should delete it.  ^


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 14, 2009, 02:45:24 am
ccccccccc, and this was cool topic, more then funny, just 9 posts behind.  :'(


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Terra Sohns on June 14, 2009, 02:51:33 am
It's a perfect example of why politics should not be discussed on an archeology forum.  People take things too personally!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 14, 2009, 03:09:41 am
It's a perfect example of why politics should not be discussed on an archeology forum.  People take things too personally!

  So...whay are you here?Are you reptilian, if I can ask.
  I am just asking because you all look same from avatars.  ;)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Pisces on June 14, 2009, 04:18:07 am
Here's a lesson for you all:

Op-Ed Columnist
The Obama Haters’ Silent Enablers

By FRANK RICH
Published: June 13, 2009


WHEN a Fox News anchor, reacting to his own network’s surging e-mail traffic, warns urgently on-camera of a rise in hate-filled, “amped up” Americans who are “taking the extra step and getting the gun out,” maybe we should listen. He has better sources in that underground than most.

The anchor was Shepard Smith, speaking after Wednesday’s mayhem at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington. Unlike the bloviators at his network and elsewhere on cable, Smith is famous for his highly caffeinated news-reading, not any political agenda. But very occasionally — notably during Hurricane Katrina — he hits the Howard Beale mad-as-hell wall. Joining those at Fox who routinely disregard the network’s “We report, you decide” mantra, he both reported and decided, loudly.

What he reported was this: his e-mail from viewers had “become more and more frightening” in recent months, dating back to the election season. From Wednesday alone, he “could read a hundred” messages spewing “hate that’s not based in fact,” much of it about Barack Obama and some of it sharing the museum gunman’s canard that the president was not a naturally born citizen. These are Americans “out there in a scary place,” Smith said.

Then he brought up another recent gunman: “If you’re one who believes that abortion is murder, at what point do you go out and kill someone who’s performing abortions?” An answer, he said, was provided by Dr. George Tiller’s killer. He went on: “If you are one who believes these sorts of things about the president of the United States ...” He left the rest of that chilling sentence unsaid.

These are extraordinary words to hear on Fox. The network’s highest-rated star, Bill O’Reilly, had assailed Tiller, calling him “Tiller the baby killer” and likening him to the Nazis, on 29 of his shows before the doctor was murdered at his church in Kansas. O’Reilly was unrepentant, stating that only “pro-abortion zealots and Fox News haters” would link him to the crime. But now another Fox star, while stopping short of blaming O’Reilly, was breaching his network’s brand of political correctness: he tied the far-right loners who had gotten their guns out in Wichita and Washington to the mounting fury of Obama haters.

What is this fury about? In his scant 145 days in office, the new president has not remotely matched the Bush record in deficit creation. Nor has he repealed the right to bear arms or exacerbated the wars he inherited. He has tried more than his predecessor ever did to reach across the aisle. But none of that seems to matter. A sizable minority of Americans is irrationally fearful of the fast-moving generational, cultural and racial turnover Obama embodies — indeed, of the 21st century itself. That minority is now getting angrier in inverse relationship to his popularity with the vast majority of the country. Change can be frightening and traumatic, especially if it’s not change you can believe in.

We don’t know whether the tiny subset of domestic terrorists in this crowd is egged on by political or media demagogues — though we do tend to assume that foreign jihadists respond like Pavlov’s dogs to the words of their most fanatical leaders and polemicists. But well before the latest murderers struck — well before another “antigovernment” Obama hater went on a cop-killing rampage in Pittsburgh in April — there have been indications that this rage could spiral out of control.

This was evident during the campaign, when hotheads greeted Obama’s name with “Treason!” and “Terrorist!” at G.O.P. rallies. At first the McCain-Palin campaign fed the anger with accusations that Obama was “palling around with terrorists.” But later John McCain thought better of it and defended his opponent’s honor to a town-hall participant who vented her fears of the Democrats’ “Arab” candidate. Although two neo-Nazi skinheads were arrested in an assassination plot against Obama two weeks before Election Day, the fever broke after McCain exercised leadership.

That honeymoon, if it was one, is over. Conservatives have legitimate ideological beefs with Obama, rightly expressed in sharp language. But the invective in some quarters has unmistakably amped up. The writer Camille Paglia, a political independent and confessed talk-radio fan, detected a shift toward paranoia in the air waves by mid-May. When “the tone darkens toward a rhetoric of purgation and annihilation,” she observed in Salon, “there is reason for alarm.” She cited a “joke” repeated by a Rush Limbaugh fill-in host, a talk-radio jock from Dallas of all places, about how “any U.S. soldier” who found himself with only two bullets in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Osama bin Laden would use both shots to assassinate Pelosi and then strangle Reid and bin Laden.

This homicide-saturated vituperation is endemic among mini-Limbaughs. Glenn Beck has dipped into O’Reilly’s Holocaust analogies to liken Obama’s policy on stem-cell research to the eugenics that led to “the final solution” and the quest for “a master race.” After James von Brunn’s rampage at the Holocaust museum, Beck rushed onto Fox News to describe the Obama-hating killer as a “lone gunman nutjob.” Yet in the same show Beck also said von Brunn was a symptom that “the pot in America is boiling,” as if Beck himself were not the boiling pot cheering the kettle on.

But hyperbole from the usual suspects in the entertainment arena of TV and radio is not the whole story. What’s startling is the spillover of this poison into the conservative political establishment. Saul Anuzis, a former Michigan G.O.P. chairman who ran for the party’s national chairmanship this year, seriously suggested in April that Republicans should stop calling Obama a socialist because “it no longer has the negative connotation it had 20 years ago, or even 10 years ago.” Anuzis pushed “fascism” instead, because “everybody still thinks that’s a bad thing.” He didn’t seem to grasp that “fascism” is nonsensical as a description of the Obama administration or that there might be a risk in slurring a president with a word that most find “bad” because it evokes a mass-murderer like Hitler.

The Anuzis “fascism” solution to the Obama problem has caught fire. The president’s nomination of Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court and his speech in Cairo have only exacerbated the ugliness. The venomous personal attacks on Sotomayor have little to do with the 3,000-plus cases she’s adjudicated in nearly 17 years on the bench or her thoughts about the judgment of “a wise Latina woman.” She has been tarred as a member of “the Latino KKK” (by the former Republican presidential candidate Tom Tancredo), as well as a racist and a David Duke (by Limbaugh), and portrayed, in a bizarre two-for-one ethnic caricature, as a slant-eyed Asian on the cover of National Review. Uniting all these insults is an aggrieved note of white victimization only a shade less explicit than that in von Brunn’s white supremacist screeds.

Obama’s Cairo address, meanwhile, prompted over-the-top accusations reminiscent of those campaign rally cries of “Treason!” It was a prominent former Reagan defense official, Frank Gaffney, not some fringe crackpot, who accused Obama in The Washington Times of engaging “in the most consequential bait-and-switch since Adolf Hitler duped Neville Chamberlain.” He claimed that the president — a lifelong Christian — “may still be” a Muslim and is aligned with “the dangerous global movement known as the Muslim Brotherhood.” Gaffney linked Obama by innuendo with Islamic “charities” that “have been convicted of providing material support for terrorism.”

If this isn’t a handy rationalization for another lone nutjob to take the law into his own hands against a supposed terrorism supporter, what is? Any such nutjob can easily grab a weapon. Gun enthusiasts have been on a shopping spree since the election, with some areas of our country reporting percentage sales increases in the mid-to-high double digits, recession be damned.

The question, Shepard Smith said on Fox last week, is “if there is really a way to put a hold on” those who might run amok. We’re not about to repeal the First or Second Amendments. Hard-core haters resolutely dismiss any “mainstream media” debunking of their conspiracy theories. The only voices that might penetrate their alternative reality — I emphasize might — belong to conservative leaders with the guts and clout to step up as McCain did last fall. Where are they? The genteel public debate in right-leaning intellectual circles about the conservative movement’s future will be buried by history if these insistent alarms are met with silence.

It’s typical of this dereliction of responsibility that when the Department of Homeland Security released a plausible (and, tragically, prescient) report about far-right domestic terrorism two months ago, the conservative response was to trash it as “the height of insult,” in the words of the G.O.P. chairman Michael Steele. But as Smith also said last week, Homeland Security was “warning us for a reason.”

No matter. Last week it was business as usual, as Republican leaders nattered ad infinitum over the juvenile rivalry of Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich at the party’s big Washington fund-raiser. Few if any mentioned, let alone questioned, the ominous script delivered by the actor Jon Voight with the G.O.P. imprimatur at that same event. Voight’s devout wish was to “bring an end to this false prophet Obama.”

This kind of rhetoric, with its pseudo-Scriptural call to action, is toxic. It is getting louder each day of the Obama presidency. No one, not even Fox News viewers, can say they weren’t warned.



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Pisces on June 14, 2009, 04:20:42 am
Who knows?  Some of the material you Obama haters are passing on might just be inspiring someone's next shooting spree right now.

There is a pissed off segment of conservative America right now, but they will just have to learn to deal with it.  Just like ordinary Americans had to deal with it when Bush stole two consecutive elections.   :)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 14, 2009, 04:50:58 am
I know who you are.


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            LIKE I SAID, ALL YOU PEOPLE HOPING FOR "CHANGE",

DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH!!




                                           
                                           






Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 14, 2009, 09:47:50 am
Hi Pisces
I was thinking all day yesterday about the very thing you posted about.  The majority of Americans voted President Obama into office, but the few who didn't seem to be escalating their hate for him like a whirling dervish - they're working themselves up into a mad frenzy and you're right.  Someone will go over the edge and go on a killing spree.  Threads like this one encourage the hatred.  This thread is not about trying to show the truth.  It's about spreading gossip that will incite hatred.  I watched the campaign all last fall.  I didn't even like politics until I started watching the election campaign.  What I noticed was how President Obama did not personally insult any of his rivals, he was polite, he was couteous, and contrary to Bianca's belief and numerous others, he did NOT play the race  card as they put it.  I never saw once where he said "vote for me because it's time a black man was president" or anything even close to such a thing.  When they had that "humor night" in the restaurant and John McCain basically roasted Barack, his comeback was funny just like it was supposed to be.  Since McCains people had been calling him the Messiah, he made a joke about it.  So now, because of that this messiah thing is being used against him.  It was McCain that started that, so get over it. 
That bit about the handshake?  Bullcrap.  I don't even see any difference in the article, nevermind some secret way of shaking hands that President Obama is supposedly doing.  I find a lot of people have a very weak handshake, and they have a slack thum, others have a strong grip and the thumb is more firm.  Big deal.  What a pathetic thing to make an issue about. 

Harconen - people that want change aren't WAITING for it.  The people who want change have made a move toward change by voting in the president they felt would give them the change.  The people who want change are trying to help make that change happen. 

You claim you lived under a dictator.  Where do you live now?  Do you live in America?  If so, did you vote and enjoy the freedom a democratic society has given it's citizens?  Or do you think that the right to vote is not a freedom?  You'd perhaps like to live again under a dictatoship.  You are showing a lot of hate and yet you've not answered my questions in this thread, about who you would preferred to be President and what you think that person would do that would make the changes the people want. None of you Obama haters have answered that question.  So I think this hate is just for hate's sake.  Some of you have said it isn't racial.  I think it's pretty obvious that it is.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on June 14, 2009, 10:27:06 am
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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 14, 2009, 11:44:21 am
Horus - what you say would be true if these people were only having a say against the policies of President Obama's political party and what their platform is, and how he's carrying out the mandates of the party.  But that's not what I see here.  I see him being personally attacked.  Those caricatures Harconen is posting are absolutely vile and he knows it.  That's why he's doing it. 

I did some more thinking this morning and I got to wondering about the American people.  You have a democratic government, you have the freedoms all men desire, you voted your president in with an overwhelming majority by following those democratic guidelines and exercising your FREEDOM and so - the majority said they wanted Barack Obama as their president. 

There are people like Bianca who I feel is so disappointed with the fact that her candidate didn't get in, that she will take snide pot shots at her president.  There are people like Volitzer who are always against the "establishment" no matter who or what it is.  There are people like HFN who wish things were different but don't know just what "different" entails in the long run.

Then there are people like Harconen who surf the web looking for innocents like the above mentioned who are disappointed or somewhat angry even, who in MY opinion are the ones who seed the anger until it becomes hatred with the type of posts he's been putting up eg. the "secret handshake", the caricatures of your president and saying he's lived under a dictatorship, but obviously does not appreciate that he has the freedoms men desire, under the demorcratic society he's now living in.  Bianca herself seems to have an inkling of what's happening here, as she is asking why certain people don't post in other threads.  She knows that us long timers do post in other threads so she IS understanding that something is different here.  So to counteract that, Harconen has posted in another thread, altho it's still the same old same old, and he has tossed Bianca's statement back out there by actually saying "I hope you didn't join just to post in this thread" to a new member Bryan.  Reverse psycology.

I am saying that I do not care for Harconen's posts, and that is my privilege.  We do have freedom of speech still, and I can voice my opinon of his posts, the same as he is free to post his opinion of his president.   

I think it is people like Harconen who incite people on purpose FOR this NWO.  I THINK that for once, the American people have spoken up and said they want change and they want Barack Obama to lead them in that change.  Yet look at the vile anti-Obama crap that's coming out.  Not anti democratic party, not anti-policy, but anti Obama.  Now why do you think that is?  The American people voted in that party, they knew who the leader was of that party, and they voted him in.  So why NOW, is he being reviled?  No one spoke up against Bush in this manner.  The only ones who spoke out against Bush and in a very mild form - and THEY WERE RIGHT was the Dixie Chicks and they were shunned because of it.  Who's sorry now?  Not only did you NOT use your hard won freedom of speech to question what Bush was doing, you flippin well put him back in again for a second time so he could completely devastate your country.  The man should be charged with treason. 

Now someone comes along, namely Barack Obama and he understands that things have to change but gee, the NWO can't have that now can it?  They'd lose control.  So we get the hate mongerers like Harconen, constantly stirring the pot.  I guess maybe he liked living in a dictatorship since he seems to be trying to get the American people to overthrow their own government and kill democracy.  When the government is overthrown, the army takes over, then the top general of the army becomes the leader.  Then you have a dictatorship.  At the very least, you get people to come together in a crowd and start riling them up, the crowd thinks with the mind of a child.  They can then be led like sheep.  So - if you want to topply your government, if you want to live under a dictatorship, keep it up.  Keep knocking your democratic freedoms until you don't have them any more.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on June 14, 2009, 11:55:38 am
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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 14, 2009, 01:19:22 pm
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"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

I would take this as politely telling the American people they need to be better educated.  if you can out smart those who are against you, you won't have to out-fight them.  President Obama said that repeatedly in his campaign.  America must improve its education. 

My daughter was speaking with an American the other day, and that person told her that only about 20% of Americans have an education beyond high school.  That's scary.  If that's the case, then no wonder y'all are paranoid about a NWO.  I think you're all afraid of your president BECAUSE he's educated.  He KNOWS what to do for the country and the NWOers are afraid of him.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 14, 2009, 01:59:43 pm
I am in that 20% that did exceed just high school. Life experience is far more educational.
As for being scared of Obama? We're more scared for those who support him and all government.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on June 14, 2009, 02:55:33 pm
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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Byron on June 14, 2009, 04:05:28 pm
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I did do the homework and what you are describing is a separate program -- it is not the same thing!  "National security objectives" are not going to be handled by volunteer doctors and engineers!  But my apologies "defense" was not Obama's word -"security" is.

And do you know why it is a separate program from the one you were talking about, Horus?

THERE IS NO CIVILIAN DEFENSE FORCE PROGRAM FROM OBAMA!

Don't you think if it were that the press would have covered the passage of such a thing?  How about the Republicans using it against him politically?

The public service bill is the closest you an find to what you are talking about,  and it says NOTHING about a civilian army.

Here is the bill:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:H.R.1388:

This second page is a summary:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR01388:@@@L&summ2=m&

Finally, we are about fifty years too late to stop EIsenhower's military industrial complex.  What he was talking about was the defense industry, which got us into Vietnam, extended the Cold War and still has a bloated, over-inflated budget, more than ALL the militaries of the industrial world (even more than China).

He was NOT talking about a civilian defense force of doctors, engineers and attornies, as described by Obama.  There is no such proposal in the works, it is all rhetoric created by a fearfuil right wing, who has taken to making crap up about him on a daily basis to get people's ire up.  As has been mentioned, that kind of fear-mongering rhetorci is what is starting all this anti-government violence around the country lately.  The rhetotric is mean-spirited, false and hateful and it has to stop.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Byron on June 14, 2009, 04:15:30 pm
Horus - what you say would be true if these people were only having a say against the policies of President Obama's political party and what their platform is, and how he's carrying out the mandates of the party.  But that's not what I see here.  I see him being personally attacked.  Those caricatures Harconen is posting are absolutely vile and he knows it.  That's why he's doing it. 

I did some more thinking this morning and I got to wondering about the American people.  You have a democratic government, you have the freedoms all men desire, you voted your president in with an overwhelming majority by following those democratic guidelines and exercising your FREEDOM and so - the majority said they wanted Barack Obama as their president. 

There are people like Bianca who I feel is so disappointed with the fact that her candidate didn't get in, that she will take snide pot shots at her president.  There are people like Volitzer who are always against the "establishment" no matter who or what it is.  There are people like HFN who wish things were different but don't know just what "different" entails in the long run.

Then there are people like Harconen who surf the web looking for innocents like the above mentioned who are disappointed or somewhat angry even, who in MY opinion are the ones who seed the anger until it becomes hatred with the type of posts he's been putting up eg. the "secret handshake", the caricatures of your president and saying he's lived under a dictatorship, but obviously does not appreciate that he has the freedoms men desire, under the demorcratic society he's now living in.  Bianca herself seems to have an inkling of what's happening here, as she is asking why certain people don't post in other threads.  She knows that us long timers do post in other threads so she IS understanding that something is different here.  So to counteract that, Harconen has posted in another thread, altho it's still the same old same old, and he has tossed Bianca's statement back out there by actually saying "I hope you didn't join just to post in this thread" to a new member Bryan.  Reverse psycology.

I am saying that I do not care for Harconen's posts, and that is my privilege.  We do have freedom of speech still, and I can voice my opinon of his posts, the same as he is free to post his opinion of his president.   

I think it is people like Harconen who incite people on purpose FOR this NWO.  I THINK that for once, the American people have spoken up and said they want change and they want Barack Obama to lead them in that change.  Yet look at the vile anti-Obama crap that's coming out.  Not anti democratic party, not anti-policy, but anti Obama.  Now why do you think that is?  The American people voted in that party, they knew who the leader was of that party, and they voted him in.  So why NOW, is he being reviled?  No one spoke up against Bush in this manner.  The only ones who spoke out against Bush and in a very mild form - and THEY WERE RIGHT was the Dixie Chicks and they were shunned because of it.  Who's sorry now?  Not only did you NOT use your hard won freedom of speech to question what Bush was doing, you flippin well put him back in again for a second time so he could completely devastate your country.  The man should be charged with treason. 

Now someone comes along, namely Barack Obama and he understands that things have to change but gee, the NWO can't have that now can it?  They'd lose control.  So we get the hate mongerers like Harconen, constantly stirring the pot.  I guess maybe he liked living in a dictatorship since he seems to be trying to get the American people to overthrow their own government and kill democracy.  When the government is overthrown, the army takes over, then the top general of the army becomes the leader.  Then you have a dictatorship.  At the very least, you get people to come together in a crowd and start riling them up, the crowd thinks with the mind of a child.  They can then be led like sheep.  So - if you want to topply your government, if you want to live under a dictatorship, keep it up.  Keep knocking your democratic freedoms until you don't have them any more.


That is about the articulate thing that anyone has said in this thread, Qoais, and you sure summed it up better than I could have.

Granted no one is happy with the way things are right now, but you have to be careful as to who you listen to and what you place your faith in.  The best way to bring about change is to have change from within, not without.  FDR wasn't initially for all the things he passed when he passed them either, he had a saying to the people who put him in office, "make me."

And Obama also said on the campaign trail, "change happens from the bottom up."  Unless people are around to influence their government by learning the issues, voting the people you best think represents you in office and statying involved in government even AFTER the campaign, change is not going to happen in any big way.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 14, 2009, 04:31:26 pm
No Horus, I didn't mean that the term "National Security Force" means education.  I was trying to say it meant (to me anyway) solidarity through education.

Let me see if I can express what I've been thinking.  When your country had the draft, and the young men were required to serve for 2 years, all the young men in your country were then put through the same training.  Even when they finished their 2 years, they had been equally trained as each other - so IF a national security threat were to happen, your whole nation - as one - could rise up against it because they were ALL prepared and trained already and could work as a unit to defend against whatever was coming.  Now while those young men (and women as well) were doing their two years of service, they were also getting their education.  So again - your nation was better educated back then.  Everyone was on the same page so to speak.  Then you did away with the obligatory service to your country, and over the course of time, what has developed?  Those that do sign up to serve are treated like sh!t when they get home, there's no hospitals for the wounded, there's no counselling for the horrors they encountered, so what incentive is there for anyone to defend the land of the free anymore?  There are a lot of people I'm sure who sign up because they DO love their country, but a lot sign up because they're poor and can't afford a higher education, or they have no skills to earn a living and to their merit, they join up instead of turning to dealing drugs.  Prisoners who are in jail for committing crimes against society, get treated better than your warriors.  Hello?  Anyone home?  

Maybe it is time afterall, for your country to become a dictatorship, since you're all so accustomed to being led around by the nose.  It's no different here in Canada.  As long as no one rocks the boat, the government can steal us blind and we don't make waves.  We don't make them accountable for the crimes against their own country and its people.

HFN thinks like the hippies back in the 60's and 70's thinking that there is no need for government.  The nature of the human beast is that it DOES need governing - most people are not leaders, they're followers, and NEED to be shown what works the best.  Once they're shown it's best, they'll fight to keep it.  So far, you've managed to keep your democracy.  What happens when you decide that's not what you really want? What is it that you DO want and are you willing to go the distance to get it?  Are you willing to work together for what works the best, are you willing to get a higher education so you're on an equal playing field with the rest of the world?  Have you any idea how many hours students in China attend school?  I've met so many of them that come to BC to go to University and they can't believe that they get weekends off.  They don't know what to do with all that free time, so they study.  What about Japan?  Not saying they're planning on fighting any wars, but they're certainly making sure their people get an education.
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t267/Qoais/SchoolbusinJapan.jpg)

As for worrying about whether or not their will be a youth group like the Nazi's had - that is up to the people as well.  You got rid of the draft because you didn't want to have to serve so if you don't like this type of group, get rid of it.  I can see where a lot of your young people who are dissolutioned with life would join such a group.  It would make them feel like they're really somebody, part of a unit.  Peer pressure is a real stressload for young people.  If they don't fit in one way, they'll find another way.  So if you want your youth to inherit the land of the free and the home of the brave, you'll have to make sure they understand the values that make it so.  Education.

Edited to say:  the picture is of a Japanese school bus.
 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 14, 2009, 04:41:28 pm
Thank you Byron. 
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That is about the articulate thing that anyone has said in this thread, Qoais, and you sure summed it up better than I could have.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 14, 2009, 04:45:37 pm




SOME PEOPLE STAY AWAY FOR MONTHS AT A TIME AND SUDDENLY REAPPEAR WHEN

THE MESSIAH IS 'THREATENED'......



NEW PEOPLE LIKE HARCONEN HAVE ALREADY CONTRIBUTED A FEW HUNDRED POSTS,


                                       329  AND 162  EACH IN THE TWO HERE:


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/board,87.0.html


I requested RITUAL MAGIC at our beginning and never got around to doing anything about it, so

he has my gratitude.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 14, 2009, 04:50:13 pm
                                               Obama’s Hubris: A Dangerous Cult of Personality

June 11, 2009

It wasn’t just the caucus fraud, sexism, and media bias which turned us off to Obama. Many supporters of Hillary Clinton, like myself, were frightened by the cult of personality which developed around this undistinguished junior senator from Chicago. Obama’s supporters, intoxicated by his perceived greatness, overlooked his longtime associations with anti-Semites, racists, and the seedier parts of Chicago’s famously corrupt politics.

Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s racist mentor of 20 years, recently said that “them Jews” were stopping Obama from talking with him. The evidence was always there.

Without investigating Obama, his supporters declared him the perfect man. They built him an embarrassingly ostentatious stage at the Democratic Convention in Denver, a fake presidential seal, and aura of divinity. Even the media now calls him God.


Obama ran as a centrist, attacking both Hillary Clinton and John McCain from the Right on healthcare. He was blessed by an economic meltdown weeks before the election, and several members of the media seamlessly moved from their journalism jobs where they had promoted Obama to his Administration where they promote Obama.

Once in power, Obama took off his cloak of moderation and began governing like Karl Marx. Believing the hype around him, Obama triumphantly forced through a stimulus bill before it was read by the Senate, fired the president of General Motors, and dictated to private industry the salaries they could pay their executives. Sultan Knish writes:

In the sixth month of his presidency, Obama has turned an economic downturn into an economic disaster, taking over and trashing entire companies, and driving the nation deep into deficit spending expected to pass 10 trillion dollars.

What happens to hubris? What happens to a man who believes the hype around him? Often times the mere mortal, believing in his own greatness, overextends and makes careless mistakes.

In 1961, John F. Kennedy, after beating the better known Nixon, launched the ridiculously planned Bay of Pigs invasion (1,300 freedom fighters against 15,000 of Castro’s troops). Realizing that his own hubris played a part in his mistake, Kennedy insisted that Robert Kennedy and Ted Sorensen attend important meetings and protect him from the overzealous.

Karl Rove argues that the economy will dominate all:

It is becoming clear that the economy is now the top issue. Mr. Obama’s presidency may well rise or fall on it. The economy will be his responsibility long before next year’s elections. Americans may give him a chance to turn things around, but voters can turn unforgiving very quickly if promised jobs don’t materialize

Obama first ran as the peace candidate, insinuating that Hillary’s Senate vote in 2002 virtually started the War in Iraq. But Iraq has faded from the news. Obama’s plan to radically change the country from a centrist, capitalist democracy to a far-Left, European Union-like, borderless social democracy is now taking a toll on his party’s popularity.

Amity Shlaes argues that the attacks on Rush, Palin, and Newt are a cover for this extreme agenda:

Because the ruling Democrats have tilted too far left, their allies are out on a mission of distraction, trying to prove that everyone else is too far to the right. On the key question of trade, Americans are pretty sympathetic to … pro-trade views, according to a recent survey by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press. Citizens don’t necessarily line up with the protectionist unions and House Speaker Pelosi.

Obama’s pork-stuffed stimulus bill, $10 trillion in additional debt, open borders amnesty plan and government takeover of health care has begun to take their toll. Americans look at California’s economic disaster as a warning to the country as a whole. This is what the real Barack Obama promises: loss of prosperity and sovereignty, bureaucratic socialism writ large. Sultan Knish writes:

Obama has tried to play Lincoln, Reagan, JFK and FDR– but in the end he can only play himself, a shallow, manipulative and egotistical amateur who is in over his head, and trying to drag the country down with him. Obama’s White House is falling down and while the flashbulbs are still glittering and the parties are going on in D.C. and around the world, Obama and the Democratic Congress may be headed for a recession of their own.

                                                    http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=214933       

                                                  http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2381332/the_cult_of_personality/     

                                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBvOwPkZj5Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo%2Egoogle%2Ecom%2Fvideosearch%3Fq%3DObama%2Bcult%2Bof%2Bpersonality%26hl%3Den%26emb%3D0&feature=player_embedded


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: iwannano on June 14, 2009, 04:59:43 pm
Byron, you said a couple of things that cause me some concern. First off let me clarify that I never blamed Obama for our crappy economy and yes, I do believe it started many presidents back. I did say that I think the problem is a government that has gotten too big.

While it is true we no longer export as much as we used to and import more than we used to, manufacturers didn't ship our jobs overseas because they were never OUR jobs. Those jobs were created by the corporations and hence thier jobs to move them where ever they want. The main goal of any corporation is not to employ people but to make money for the stockholders. Moving manufacturing to areas where labor costs are less means more money for the stockholders. It is not an easy decision to move a manufacturing facility and retrain employees and most would prefer to stay. Our big intrusive government creates regulations and taxes that make the costs to move seem like the better option. Again, Obama didn't start it but he is ramping it up to levels never seen before. That is not the kind of change I want so I am objecting.

Regan cut the income tax top rate from 78% to 23% and tax revenues to the government increased. Bushes tax cuts also caused tax revenue to increase but neither of them nor elder Bush or Clinton cut spending and that is why we are in the mess we are in. More than 45% of my income goes to taxes as it does with most of you if you factor in all taxes, i.e. income, sales, tax on gas, liquor, proerty, ect. Frankly that is too damm much. If you want to pay more for your don't want to work neighbor to have health coverage knock yourself out. I bet you take all the deductions you can when you file your taxes. Why? just let them have it all! The problem is that you don't want to give more unless I am forced too also. I'm not that nice.

While I am not being nice I think the tax deduction for children is ass backwards. Why should you get a deduction when your kid is reaping the benefits of my tax dollars in the form of schools, playgrounds, SCHIP, free lunches, ect. If you can't afford to raise a child don't have one.

I don't know if it is a NWO thing or just a bunch of home grown power hunger asses but it needs to stop.

iousa.com (http://iousa.com)

Look at the video and tell me how we can keep going like this. Tell me how taxing the "evil rich" is going to be enough.

We need to get the government out of business. We need to get rid of overburdensome regulations that drive manufacturing away. We need to let the free market decide which businesses succeed or fail. We need a tax system that is fair to everyone and is contributed by everyone. Being born in America entitles you to live in the greatest country the world has ever seen but why then are only some required to pay the dues.

Another way to think about it is, what more do you get for paying extra? Does your vote count twice, three times, 50 times? Can you get away with committing crimes? Can you have people who don't pay any taxes come cut your grass? Or do you just get blamed everytime something goes to crap!!

Why the double standard? I'll answer that for you, because you and I are on opposite ends right now. I was where you were 30 years ago but I never blamed the rich and still don't, in fact I still aspire to be rich. Your mind will change as you see your efforts penalized while the do nothings are praised for their suffering.

The old saying goes:

When you are young and have a heart you are a liberal but when you get older and have a brain you become conservative.

The problem with that saying is that you never lose your heart but see that blindly giving doesn't really help anyone as can be seen by our governments war on poverty. Close to 5 trillion dollars have been spent since the New Deal to help the less fortunate but somehow the percentage of the less fortunate remains the same. If more money is the answer Ask why?



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 14, 2009, 05:07:19 pm
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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 14, 2009, 05:24:17 pm
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Post by: Harconen on June 14, 2009, 05:27:31 pm
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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 14, 2009, 05:29:23 pm
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                                               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP0wkySJbDI&feature=fvw


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 14, 2009, 05:31:06 pm
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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 14, 2009, 05:38:29 pm
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                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpL5KPN0s6Q&feature=related


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: iwannano on June 14, 2009, 05:46:46 pm
Bianca,

you are right, way too much other stuff to discuss here.

I done with politics and on to freakier things.

see ya'll on other topics.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 14, 2009, 06:36:39 pm





iwannano,


Please, I did not mean you, I run into you in other posts....


Here is what I meant:







SOME PEOPLE STAY AWAY FOR MONTHS AT A TIME AND SUDDENLY REAPPEAR WHEN

THE MESSIAH IS 'THREATENED'......



NEW PEOPLE LIKE HARCONEN HAVE ALREADY CONTRIBUTED A FEW HUNDRED POSTS,


                                       329  AND 162  EACH IN THE TWO HERE:


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/board,87.0.html


I requested RITUAL MAGIC at our beginning and never got around to doing anything about it, so

he has my gratitude.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on June 14, 2009, 06:51:54 pm
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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 14, 2009, 06:55:59 pm
      This is not about politics or President Obama.It is not about who is for Rep. or for Dem.This is abowe all of that.This is literally fight for survival of human kind.And if you don't care for future, I do.And for future you must fight today, no yesterday.

                                                       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WSGwnz7XpY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fatlantisonline%2Esmfforfree2%2Ecom%2Findex%2Ephp%2Ftopic%2C17753%2E345%2Ehtml&feature=player_embedded


            JFK called for help!Called because of you!You can be proud, and honored.Hi was killed like free man, exposing them.Not like this puppet.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 14, 2009, 07:19:07 pm
Saul Alinsky's book Rules for Radicals, dedicated to Lucifer
Rules for Radicals: A Blurred Vision
Jim O'Neill  Bio
Email Article

 
                                                               (http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9291/oneilu.jpg) (http://img19.imageshack.us/i/oneilu.jpg/)




 By Jim O'Neill  Sunday, June 14, 2009

“Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself.” Leo Tolstoy (1828-1910)

”The “guardrails” that have guided our culture towards moral and civil behavior have been removed, and the lines between right and wrong have become blurred.”
Senator Joseph Lieberman (From the foreword to Richard Land’s “The Divided States of America?")

Saul Alinsky’s book “Rules for Radicals,” first published in 1971, has been read and assimilated by a number of those who espouse a Far Left agenda.  Our current Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, wrote her senior thesis on Alinsky while at Wellesley College.  The following excerpt is from that paper.

“Much of what Alinsky professes does not sound ‘radical.’ His are the words used in our schools and churches, by our parents and their friends, by our peers.”

Perhaps in your world, Madam Secretary—certainly not in mine. 

The point here is that “Rules for Radicals” has had a far reaching impact, especially on “community organizers” from Chicago—Alinsky’s home turf.  America’s current POTUS, for example, is no doubt familiar with Alinsky’s “blurred vision.” This is a term I’ve taken from the book, where Alinsky describes the organizer’s mental map as a “blurred vision of a better world.” Blurred indeed.

Running throughout “Rules for Radicals” is a whiny refusal to take personal responsibility for anything.  It is always “their” fault. 

Who “they” are, and what “their” faults are, changes from scenario to scenario, but one thing is constant—the “haves” are to blame for the state of the “have-not’s.”

It’s a perpetrator/victim dualistic mythology straight out of Marx and Lenin.  This “professional victim” mind-set caters to the infantile narcissistic ego, at the expense of spiritual and emotional growth, integrity, and character.

But I’m getting ahead of myself, let me start at the book’s beginning.

Alinsky begins “Rules for Radicals” with a dedication to Lucifer “...the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom.”

Right at the start of the book we get a foretaste of the vapid illogic that permeates “Rules for Radicals.” Alinsky, an avowed atheist, inadvertently implies God’s existence.  After all, in the Luciferian mythos, who does Lucifer rebel against? 

God, of course.  A God that doesn’t exist according to Alinsky.  So God doesn’t exist, but Lucifer, who opposes God does.  You figure it out, I can’t.

This is a good time to point out that Alinsky’s book promotes what is sometimes called the Luciferic inversion—where good is bad, morality immoral, and ethics unethical—and one might add, where thinking is thoughtless.  More about that in a bit.

In this article, I will attempt to expose the insidious philosophies that coil at the heart of Alinsky’s book.  In the words of Dr. Benjamin Wiker, “The best cure—the only cure, once the really harmful books have multiplied like viruses through endless editions—is to read them.  Know them forward and backward.  Seize each one by its malignant heart and expose it to the light of day.”

In order to get to the essence of the subtle venom that infests “Rules for Radicals,” I would like to bring attention to one of the more poisonous heroes in the Alinsky pantheon—Niccolo Machiavelli (1469-1527). 

Machiavelli’s book “The Prince” has the distinction of being perhaps the most evil book ever written.  Stalin, who was responsible for the deaths of many millions of his country’s men and women, kept a copy of “The Prince” on his nightstand—just the thing for bedtime reading.

Alinsky knew his Machiavelli so well (so he thought), that he felt qualified to point out Machiavelli’s weak spots—where Machiavelli dropped the ball, so to speak.  “Machiavelli’s blindness to the necessity for moral clothing to all acts and motives,,,was his major weakness.”

Au contraire Saul, Machiavelli had it covered.  In “The Prince” Machiavelli writes that actually having morals and ethics was to be avoided like the plague, but the appearance of having such values (moral clothing) should be assiduously cultivated.  “[It is] not necessary for a prince to have [mercy, faith, compassion, honesty, and spirituality], but it is necessary to appear to have them.  ...Having them...is harmful...appearing to have them is useful.”

Compare that to Alinsky’s tenth rule of Ethics of Means and Ends, “You do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments.” In other words, appearance is everything.  The truth must be cloaked in glamour, verbal legerdemain; smoke and mirrors.  Sound like any politicians you know?

Alinsky quotes Machiavelli in support of his (Alinsky’s) position regarding selfishness (after quoting that renowned advocate of egotistical behavior, Jesus Christ). 

“Machiavelli with whom the idea of self-interest seems to have gained its greatest notoriety, at least among those who are unaware of the tradition, said, ‘This is to be asserted in general of men, that they are ungrateful, fickle, fake, cowardly, [and] covetous…”

Charming.  Alinsky’s point here is that Machiavelli is notorious only among us clueless sheep who don’t comprehend the great value of the “tradition” of self-centered megalomania.  Tradition?  How about an infantile narcissistic pathology.

(An aside here.  Freud called this sort of self-centered grandiosity the King Baby.  A human infant, unable to fend for itself, comes to expect that all its needs will be taken care of – food, milk, diaper change, etc.  This is all well and good so far as it goes, but when the infant grows into a child, and then an adult , and still expects the world to cater to his or her every need, then we have a problem – the King or Queen Baby.  Such people invariably have a God complex—more about that in a moment.  For now, back to Alinsky).

Regarding egotism Alinsky says, “Ego, as we understand and use it here, cannot be even vaguely confused with, nor is it remotely related to egotism.” (Methinks he doth protest to much). 

In the very next paragraph he writes, “ The organizer is in a true sense reaching for the highest level for which man can reach—to be a great creator, to play God.” So sayeth Saul “Not Vaguely Remotely Egotistical” Alinsky.

I’m speechless before such transparent duplicity.  I’m not sure whether to drop my jaw in awe before Alinsky’s outrageous chutzpah, or shake my head in pity at his delusional blindness. 

Machiavelli promotes another vile dictum—the end justifies the means.  Combine an ego “playing God,” with an “end justifies the means” mentality, and you have the recipe for disaster. 

Karl Marx combined these two attitudes; as did Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot—to name a few.  (Did I hear someone say “Don’t forget Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Kim Jung il, and all the others?").

Combined, these individuals have been responsible for the deaths of around 100 million people.  This unholy pathological mentality is known as “malignant messianic narcissism.” Sounds like something you definitely don’t want to step in.  Alinsky not only steps in it, he wallows in it, and urges his “organizers” to follow suit. 

Does the end justify the means to Alinsky?  You bet.  This is from his book, where he quotes Bertrand Russell, “...obviously nothing has any value as a means unless that to which it is a means has value on its own account.  It follows that intrinsic value is logically prior to value as means.” Actually, Bertrand, it doesn’t follow at all.

When you cut through Russell’s pretentious verbiage, what he’s saying is that the end is of more importance than the means—the goal is more important than the means you use to get there.  This is akin to saying that it doesn’t matter how you get from New York to San Francisco—flying or crawling—getting to the destination is what is of paramount importance. 

After about a week of crawling, you might change your mind about that.  And contrary to what many believe, in circumstances involving moral values, the means used to get to an end are of vital importance to one’s emotional, mental, and spiritual health. 

Alinsky’s stance regarding the ends being more important than the means is rather odd, because earlier in his book Alinsky states that the organizer’s raison d’être—a secular utopia—is a non-attainable end.  “If we think of the struggle as a climb up a mountain, then we must visualize a mountain with no top.  [like Sisyphis we are] pushing a boulder up an endless mountain.”

So the “end” in Alinsky’s blurred vision is nonexistent—but the end justifies the means?  You figure it out, I can’t.

All glibness aside, the whole “end justifies the means” attitude can, and has, lead to murderous consequences.  Lenin and Stalin justified their brutal regimes by claiming that all the horror they inflicted upon their “comrades” was done in order to bring into existence a worker’s Utopia.  If you were suspected of being a hindrance to the realization of this utopian pipe-dream, then you were shot, or sent off to the gulags.  No joke.

Alinsky would excuse such behavior, because “...in action, one does not always enjoy the luxury of a decision that is consistent with both one’s individual conscience and the good of mankind.  The choice must always be for the latter.  He who sacrifices the mass good for his personal conscience...doesn’t care enough for people to be corrupted for them.”

According to Alinsky, people like Hitler and Pol Pot must have been extremely caring people indeed.  Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling thinking about how caring they were.

What else can we add to this poisonous Machiavellian mix?  Let’s throw in some relativism—why not?.  Alinsky writes, “All definitions of words, like everything else, are relative.” “Like everything else”—got it?

Which doesn’t stop Alinsky from quoting dictionaries when he wants to define words in “Rules for Radicals.” You figure it out, I...never mind.

Alinsky quotes Lewis Carroll in his book, and I’ll swap quotes with him.. Here’s my quote by Carroll, “When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less.”

Carroll was ridiculing such nonsense; Alinsky takes such nonsense as gospel. 

When Alinsky says “like everything else,” he means everything.  He writes, “[The organizer] knows that all values are relative, in a world of political relativity.”

It is such an attitude that enables Alinsky to write, “[Knowing] the universal principal that the right things are always done for the wrong reasons...the organizer...should search for and use the wrong reasons to achieve the right goals.  He should be able to use irrationality...to progress toward a rational world.”

That doesn’t even look good on paper—let alone as a blueprint for a cultural utopia.  Let me see if I have this right.  An organizer uses the wrong reasons, and irrational thinking, in order to achieve a rational, but nonexistent goal?  Oy vey.

Remember when I mentioned “thinking is thoughtless?” Well, although Alinsky was intelligent and widely read, he was no friend to logic and reason.  In fact, as might be obvious by now, they were barely on speaking terms. 

He writes in “Rules for Radicals,”...a revolutionary or a man of action does not have the sedentary frame of mind that is part of the personality of the research scholar.  He finds it very difficult to sit quietly and think....  He will do anything to avoid it.”

Alinsky is speaking of himself.  Lest we miss the point, he underlines it by writing “...the fact is that I did not want to come to grips with thinking.  I welcomed...excuses to escape the ordeal of thinking.”

Ordeal indeed, if “Rules for Radicals” is anything to go by. 

The logical fallacies that keep cropping up in “Rules for Radicals” are so numerous that one comes to expect them at every turn, and begins to feel something is amiss if a page or two goes by without some sort of bogus premise.

Alinsky’s view of the “man of action,” or uber mensch (Alinsky admiringly quotes Nietzsche), as being superior to the person who thinks things through before acting, is childish at best.  And despite Alinsky’s portrayal, being reasonable and logical does not automatically condemn one to wearing milk-bottle glasses, tweed jackets, and parsing ancient Greek.

But let me get back to relativism.  This is a topic that is of paramount importance.  It’s a subject that is convoluted, complex, and has a long historical background, so it would not be possible for me to refute relativism within this article, and I will not attempt to do so.  But permit me another (lengthy) aside.

(If you care about your children, your country, civilization, or the planet; then you will educate yourself regarding this subject, and do your best to put an end to its noxious influence.  Make no mistake, any technologically advanced civilization without moral absolutes is doomed to extinction. 

Essentially, academics who promote relativism, have worked backwards from an amoral, narcissistic pathology which was rationalized, justified, and then clothed in pseudo-intellectual jargon (moral clothing).  This pseudo-sensible tripe has been, and is being, passed along to students in our grade schools, colleges and universities.

It is not by mistake that William Ayers ended up in teaching.  He, and many of his ilk took up residence in the halls of academia after the 1960s—the better to spread their propaganda.  Much of the nonsense that passes for knowledge in our schools today is unconscionable mental, emotional, and spiritual toxic waste. 

For some decades now students have not been educated, so much as indoctrinated.  You can see the results most visibly in the precipitous decline of journalistic ethical standards, but the impact goes much farther than that.

Don’t take my word for this, look into it for yourself; there are a number of good books on the subject.  If you are new to this, then I would suggest reading Roger Kimball’s article ”Killing History: why relativism is wrong.”

In his article Kimball reviews a book by Australian historian Keith Windschuttle.  In the process Kimball gives a concise and readable explanation of relativism and its dangers.
Trust me, relativism is a very complex subject, so what Kimball has done in his article is no small feat. 

If you’re an avid reader, then buy Windschuttle’s book itself, “The Killing of History: How a Discipline is Being Murdered By Literary Critics and Social Theorists.

I would also suggest looking into the so called Sokal Hoax, which you can read about here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

Also, you might want to read Alan Sokal’s actual paper ”Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity” in order to get an idea of the pretentious trash that influences certain elements of academia, and through them our children.  It’s pretty amusing reading, when you realize that this pseudo-scientific gibberish was taken seriously, and printed in an esteemed university’s academic journal.  Amusing, but also frightening.

Okay, back to “Rules for Radicals).

Alinsky, who is no friend to thinking, advises his protégées to get arrested periodically, so as to force themselves to gather their thoughts.  Good avuncular advice. 

Alinsky writes that being thrown in jail is good because, 1) It gives you that extra caché that every “revolutionary about town” needs, and 2) you have no option but to think, so you may as well write a book. 

We’re not talking about any serious jail time, Alinsky warns—just enough to give you a certain je ne sais quoi, and maybe write a bestseller.  Why not?  It worked for Hitler.

Speaking of Hitler—Adolf wrote “Mein Kampf,” while serving jail time (as per Alinsky’s instructions), after a failed putsch, or revolution.  Given Alinsky’s description of what makes a good revolutionary—sorry, organizer—you would think he’d be praising Herr Hitler from the roof tops, as the ideal organizer template. 

Hitler inflamed, agitated, organized, and was an rabble rouser par excellence—and to top it off, he overthrew the establishment!  He’s a pitch perfect example of Alinsky’s man of action, the uber mensch!  But nary a word about Adolf in “Rules for Radicals.” Go figure. 

Moving on—well, before I move on, I should forewarn you that the next few paragraphs may seem rather crude to some readers.  If so, please accept my apologies in advance, and do feel free to skip ahead a bit.. 

Now moving on, let’s talk about some of the ##### Alinsky tries to pile up.  I mean literally, as in his aborted (thank you Lord for small favors) plan to tie up the restrooms at Chicago’s O’Hare airport in order to extort some concessions from the city.  (Alinsky associated with Chicago’s criminal element, and it shows in his extortion-racket tactics).  He envisioned the proposed O’Hare technique as “...the nation’s first ‘##### in’.” Ha, ha.

He also writes about another plan that never materialized, that revolved around a bunch of folks eating huge quantities of beans and then attending a black-tie affair where they would commence a “fart in.” Ha, ha.

Alinsky says that the planned “fart in” didn’t happen because, “The threat of this tactic was leaked (there may be a Freudian slip here...so what?).” Ha, ha. 

Alinsky’s rapier-like wit never fails to send a trickle down my leg—sorry, tingle down my leg.  Ha, ha.

We’re not out of the excrement yet.  In “Rules for Radicals” we read that “The one thing that all oppressed people want to do to their oppressors is ##### on them.” So sayeth Saul “Poo Poo” Alinsky.  Thanks for the visual, Saul.

(For those of you who may have felt compelled to close your eyes for the last few paragraphs—it’s safe, you can open them again).

One can’t help but wonder what type of unfortunate potty training young Alinsky suffered through in order to have such a scatological view of life.  I think that Saul had some unresolved “issues” to deal with.  Rather, I know he had some unresolved issues.

Be that as it may, we now come to the actual “rules” in “Rules for Radicals.” Here they are, all 13 of them, from the chapter “Tactics:”
Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.
Never go outside the experience of your people.
Whenever possible go outside the experience of your enemy.
Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.
Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.
A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.
A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.
Keep the pressure on.
The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.
The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.
If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside.
The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.
Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

I’m not going to go into each of these rules, one by one.  There is ample information on the internet for those who wish to delve into them.  I do, however, wish to discuss a couple of the rules.

First, a few words concerning Rule #5—ridicule.  The radical Left has taken this one to heart, and polished it to a fine sheen.  Alinsky calls ridicule humorous, although it usually is not.  It’s most often a mean-spirited venom that masquerades as humor, and its pernicious effects permeate our culture.

Ridicule in its most common guise, is expressed in clever but vitriolic ad hominem attacks.  Ex-President Bush and Governor Palin are two of the best known recipients of such “humor.”

(A short aside: One of the few bright spots to emerge from the unprecedented and vociferous attacks against Governor Palin has been the “outing” of the women’s movement.  Their blanket silence in the face of the attacks against Palin is extremely telling—you can hear the crickets chirp, and the grass growing.

In Sarah Palin we have a woman who is bright, articulate, and personable.  A working mother who not only entered the “good ol’ boy” political arena, but has been extremely successful in it.  A “poster child” for women’s rights, right?  Apparently not.

If we ask the members of NOW, “Are you outraged by these scurrilous attacks on Governor Palin?” What we hear in reply is...chirp...chirp...ribbit…chirp…

It is now abundantly clear to everyone and anyone that the “women’s” movement is nothing of the kind.  It’s almost exclusively composed of women’s organizations for promoting left wing ideologies—pure and simple.  If you’re a woman who’s not marching to their tune, then they couldn’t care less about you. 

No, I take that back—they’ll attack you, and the more of a danger they perceive you to be, the fiercer the attack.  The “women’s” movement?  Obviously not, and now we know.

Well, back to “Rules for Radicals.”)

That’s enough about Rule #5 and ridicule.  The key rule in “Rules for Radicals” is Rule #13: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

I say it’s key, because Alinsky spends a minimum amount of time explaining all of the other rules—sometimes giving no explanation at all, and at most a paragraph or two.  But with Rule #13 he spends several pages describing it.  Clearly he felt it was important, so I’ll take some time discussing it.

“Pick a target” is basically self-explanatory.  By “freeze it” Alinsky means to, well, pick a target (see prior sentence).  By “personalize it” Alinsky means to give a “face” to your enemy, and hopefully a derogatory nickname as well.  That is, he wouldn’t attack the Republican party as such, he would attack George W. Bush, or Sarah Palin, and he would call them snide names and ridicule them.  Say, that sounds familiar.

By “polarize it” Alinsky means to ignore any “common ground” you might have with the enemy, and paint him all black, and yourself all white.  As he writes, “[The organizer must be] a well-integrated political schizoid.  [He] must be able to split himself into two parts—one part...polarizes the issue to 100 to nothing, and helps to lead his forces into conflict, and the other part knows that when the time comes for negotiations that it really is only a 10 percent difference....”

“Polarizing” in Alinsky’s view is brain washing your followers into believing that they are 100 percent on the side of the angels, and the enemy is 100 percent aligned with evil.  But, and here’s the truly diabolical part, the organizer himself doesn’t buy into any of it.  He’s not concerned with political ideology – he’s above such things. 

Alinsky continues, “[The organizer] has a strong ego, one we might call monumental...[though] clearly differentiated from egotism.  ...Having his own identity, he has no need for the security blanket of an ideology....”

So if we connect the dots in Alinsky’s portrait of the uber mensch, the ideal revolutionary/organizer, what do we see?

A nihilistic schizophrenic, with a monumental ego (who is NOT, however, vaguely, or remotely egotistical), who uses the wrong reasons, irrationality, and any means necessary to reach a nonexistent goal. 

Well, where do I sign up?

Okay, time for me to come clean.  Some readers may have noticed that I’ve been using Alinsky’s techniques of ridicule and polarization throughout this article—just following the rules, you know.  The truth be told, Alinsky has some good ideas, and intelligent observations sprinkled throughout his book.

It is this very mixture of the sensible with the illogical that makes his book so insidiously dangerous.  There’s a name for such a mixture of truth and falsehood—propaganda.  Hitler’s henchman Goebbels was a master at it, and so was Alinsky.

“Rules for Radicals” is a clever trap for the naïve, the idealistic, the gullible, and the unwary.  And it’s a clarion call for the nihilistic, the arrogant, the greedy, the self-centered, the amoral, the chronically malcontented, and those with an anti-social mind-set.

Mankind’s long climb from the caves of pre-history to civilized governments has been a slow, painful process (and very much an ongoing process).  Alinsky’s cavalier dismissal of “the establishment” as evil; is puerile, inane, and socially irresponsible—to put it mildly.  One need only look at the Machiavellian antics of ACORN to witness where the teachings espoused in “Rules for Radicals” lead.

It’s a sad fact that a number of people who thought ACORN was a legitimate avenue to better themselves and their neighborhoods, have systematically been barred from any true positions of power in the organization.  I’d bet big money that the ones who are pulling the strings behind the scenes are “going by the book.”

In closing, I mentioned earlier that Alinsky quotes Jesus, and indeed he does—more than once, but there’s one quote in particular that I wish to address.  I’ll include the sentence immediately before, and a few words that follow, in order to put it in context. 

“The importance of self-interest has never been challenged; it has been accepted as an inevitable fact of life.  In the words of Christ, ‘Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.’ Aristotle said in “Politics...,” and on it goes.

I mention this in order to show how spiritually clueless Alinsky was.  He quotes a verse about love and self-sacrifice in order to support his “me first,” pro-selfish stance.  How ignorant is that?

Atheists are ipso facto spiritually naïve, and Alinsky is no exception.  In another part of his book he writes, “No organization, including organized religion, can live up to their own book of morality and regulations.  This is what that great revolutionary, Paul of Tarsus, knew when he wrote...’Who also hath made us able ministers of the New Testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit; for the letter killeth’.” [Cor. 3:6]

Great, an atheist explaining scripture to me.  Jesus wept.

Alinsky would have done well to have contemplated the verse immediately preceding the one he quotes: “Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God, (II Cor. 3:5). 

At any rate, Paul’s words are about the importance of experiencing an inner spiritual transformation; as opposed to merely following outward formulas and customs by rote, while leaving the inner self unchanged.

It’s the same issue Jesus raised with the Pharisees.  e.g. “Blind guides; who strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel!  ...For you cleanse the outside of the cup...but inside...they are full of robbery and self-indulgence.” Matt. 23:24,25). 

I believe that Paul would agree that the most important thing that we can change and improve is ourselves, our inner selves, and that’s the absolute truth.

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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 14, 2009, 07:30:48 pm
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Many supporters of Hillary Clinton, like myself, were frightened by the cult of personality which developed around this undistinguished junior senator from Chicago.

Right!  But those of you who supported Hillary Clinton of course, aren't following HER like a cult are you?  Oh no, nothing like that.

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Believing the hype around him, Obama triumphantly forced through a stimulus bill before it was read by the Senate,

Now please explain this to me.  How can he force through a bill before it was read by the senate, all by his little old self?  And why didn't the senate read it?  Are you saying it's his fault the whole flippin senate didn't read the bill? 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 14, 2009, 07:36:29 pm
This was a man too, not a puppet.


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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on June 14, 2009, 07:37:59 pm
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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 14, 2009, 07:51:14 pm
This is from february 28, 2008!


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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on June 14, 2009, 08:05:38 pm
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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 14, 2009, 08:13:49 pm
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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 14, 2009, 08:45:35 pm
Too Horus.


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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 14, 2009, 09:25:16 pm
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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 14, 2009, 09:34:36 pm
Who cares.


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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 14, 2009, 10:50:09 pm


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Obama's White House is Falling Down
In the sixth month of his presidency, Obama has turned an economic downturn into an economic disaster, taking over and trashing entire companies, and driving the nation deep into deficit spending expected to pass 10 trillion dollars.


Abroad, Obama seems to have no other mode except to continue on with his endless campaign, confusing speechmaking with diplomacy. It is natural enough that Obama, who built his entire campaign on high profile public speeches reported on by an adoring press, understands how to do nothing else but that.

While the press is still chewing over Obama's Cairo speech, this celebrity style coverage ignores the fact that Obama's endless world tour is not actually accomplishing anything. Instead his combination of ego driven photo op appearances and clueless treatment of foreign dignitaries have alienated many of America's traditional allies. Those who aren't being quietly angry at Obama, like Brown, Merkel or Netanyahu, instead think of him as as absurdly lightweight, as Sarkozy, King Abdullah or Putin do.

While his officials carry out their dirty economic deeds, Obama responds to any and every crisis as if it were a Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland musical, with a cry of, "Let's put on a show." Thus far Obama has put on "shows" across America, Europe and the Middle East. And what the adoring media coverage neglects to cover, is that Obama's shows have solved absolutely nothing. They have served only as high profile entertainment.

Neither alienating America's traditional allies, through a combination of arrogant bullying and ignorance, nor appeasing America's enemies, has yielded any actual results. Nor does it seem likely to. Islamic terrorism is not going anywhere, neither are the nuclear threats from North Korea and Iran. While Obama keeps smiling, the global situation keeps growing more grim.

At home, if Obama was elected as depression era entertainment, the charm of his smiles and his constant appearances on magazine covers appear to be wearing thin on the American public. Despite the shrill attacks on Rush Limbaugh or the Republican Enemy of the Weak-- the Democratic party of 2009, is polling a lot like the Republican party of 2008. The Democrats have suddenly become the incumbents, and the only accomplishment they can point to is lavish deficit spending, often on behalf of the very same corporations and causes they once postured against.

The European Union Parliament's swing to the right cannot be credited to Obama, though doubtlessly some European voters seeing socialist economic crisis management on display in the world's richest country decided they wanted none of it, but it is part of a general turning against federalism. And Obama's entire program is dependent on heavily entrenching federalism at the expense of individual and state's rights. Yet that is precisely his achilles heel with independent voters who are polling against more taxes and expanded government. And no amount of speeches by Obama can wish away his 18 czars or the national debt he has foisted on generation after generation of the American people. That leaves Obama with a choice between socialism and the independent voter. And thus far he has chosen socialism.

Obama's tactic of hijacking Bush Administration era policies on the economy and the War on Terror, and exploiting them as trojan horses to promote his own agenda, have left him coping with a backlash from his own party, as well as general Republican opposition.

His Czars are meant to function as the bones in an executive infrastructure accountable to no one, but a lack of accountability isn't just another word for tyranny, but for incompetence. A functional chain of command is accountable at multiple levels if it is to function effectively. Obama's White House by contrast is in a state of over-organized chaos, the sort of organized disorganization that undisciplined egotistical leftists naturally create for themselves, complete with multiple overlapping levels of authority and no one in charge but the man at the top, who's too busy doing other things to actually be in charge.


Dennis Blair as National Intelligence, who collaborated with the Muslim genocide of Christians in East Timor, trying to muscle out the CIA to create his own intelligence network, is typical of the kind of chaos being spawned by every chief in an expanding government bureaucracy working to make sure that all the indians answer to him. Similarly the National Security Council wrestling with the State Department, highlighted by Samantha Power getting her own specially created NSC position to butt heads with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, illustrates the state of conflict and chaos in American foreign affairs. A state of chaos so pervasive that incompetence has now become commonplace, and no one can even be found to double check the spelling of a Russian word that is meant to be the theme of American's diplomatic reconstruction with Russia, or to pick out a gift for the visiting British Prime Minister.

Meanwhile on the economy, Obama exploited the ongoing bailouts, transforming them from bailouts into takeovers meant to shift the balance of power in what had been a democracy and socially engineer not only corporations, but the lives of ordinary Americans. But the public's patience with corporate bailouts is at an end, most Americans were never happy with them to begin with, and want them to end. The death of Chrysler at the hands of Fiat and the UAW might look like a victory in the union ranks, but it doesn't play too well outside Detroit. And tacking on CAFE standards that will kill the pickup truck and the SUV will badly erode Obama in the swing states, if exploited properly in 2010 and 2012.

Despite the constant media barrage, orchestrated out of the White House, the public is growing disenchanted with the performance of Obama and the Democrats. With unemployment booming and the economy dropping, the jobs aren't there and the spending is out of control. Republicans today are polling better on ethics and the economy, than the Democrats are. That shows a trend which is likely to register in the mid-term elections in 2010, in the same way that the EU parliamentary elections served as a shock to the system.

In the opposition, Republicans are free to embrace the rhetoric of change, to champion reform and push libertarian ideas about the size and scope of government. In turn all Obama has is his celebrity fueled media spectacle world tour. A charade now serving as a parallel to the depression era entertainment that functioned as escapism in a dour time. But before long, it may be Obama that the American public will want to escape from.

Obama has tried to play Lincoln, Reagan, JFK and FDR-- but in the end he can only play himself, a shallow, manipulative and egotistical amateur who is in over his head, and trying to drag the country down with him. Obama's White House is falling down and while the flashbulbs are still glittering and the parties are going on in D.C. and around the world, Obama and the Democratic Congress may be headed for a recession of their own.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Byron on June 14, 2009, 11:14:14 pm
Anyway we can all make a pact to limit the posts in this thread to just the responses people have to say?  Each time I come into this topic, all the relevant posts are buried by hordes of cut and paste!

I think we know where everyone stands on the government right now.

Horus,

THERE
IS
NO
LEGISLATION
CONCERNING
A
CIVILIAN
DEFENSE
FORCE


If one is ever introduced in Congress (and it would have to be sponsored by a member of Congress as the President cannot, himself, write legislation, only shape it), then you entitled to complain all you want about it.  Until then, discussion of such a force is simply not relevant, as it does not exist.

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The best way to bring about change is to have change from within, not without.

Quoted for truth! Spoken like a true metaphysician and easily the wisest thing said in this thread so far.

This has to do with being active in party policy not some metaphysical navel gazing.  If you don't like the direction of your party, be it Democrat or Republican, then get involved in party meetings!  You can even run for Congress yourself, or, at the very least, contact your Congressman or Senator if you have an issue that concerns you.  By saying that change comes from within, that's what that means.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Byron on June 14, 2009, 11:20:34 pm
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Obama's White House is Falling Down
In the sixth month of his presidency, Obama has turned an economic downturn into an economic disaster, taking over and trashing entire companies, and driving the nation deep into deficit spending expected to pass 10 trillion dollars.

Economic downturn into an economic depression?? 

The economy was on the verge of collapse last September after Lehman Brothers was allowed to fail, and Bush spent seven hundred billion dollars to prop up all the banks.  He also was the first one to bail out Chrysler and GM.  Not only did the economic collapse happen because of his policies, 80% of the deficit we have now is because of his making, only 20% is because of Obama.

He left Obama with a three trillion dollar deficit. 

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Abroad, Obama seems to have no other mode except to continue on with his endless campaign, confusing speechmaking with diplomacy. It is natural enough that Obama, who built his entire campaign on high profile public speeches reported on by an adoring press, understands how to do nothing else but that.

Gee, if the press does love his speeches, maybe it is because they finally found a guy who can string two coherent sentences together, unlike the last guy, to whom English seemed a foreign language.   ;)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 14, 2009, 11:33:42 pm
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Abroad, Obama seems to have no other mode except to continue on with his endless campaign, confusing speechmaking with diplomacy. It is natural enough that Obama, who built his entire campaign on high profile public speeches reported on by an adoring press, understands how to do nothing else but that.

Gee, if the press does love his speeches, maybe it is because they finally found a guy who can string two coherent sentences together, unlike the last guy, to whom English seemed a foreign language.   ;)

I agry, but puppet is still a puppet.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 15, 2009, 12:29:46 am

                                                            It's the Economy, Stupid

The Obama presidency will rise or fall on results.

By KARL ROVE

Tomorrow will likely bring more bad news for President Barack Obama on the number one issue for voters -- the economy. The Labor Department's monthly job report will almost certainly show unemployment topping 9%, with a couple hundred thousand more jobs lost in May.

It will get worse before jobs get better. Congressional Budget Director Douglas W. Elmendorf recently predicted that unemployment will continue rising into the second half of next year and peak above 10%.

Mr. Obama has an ingenious approach to job losses: He describes them as job gains. For example, last week the president claimed that 150,000 jobs had been created or saved because of his stimulus package. He boasted, "And that's just the beginning."

However, at the beginning of January, 134.3 million people were employed. At the start of May, 132.4 million Americans were working. How was Mr. Obama magically able to conjure this loss of 1.9 million jobs into an increase of 150,000 jobs?

As my former White House deputy press secretary Tony Fratto points out on his blog, the Labor Department does not and cannot collect data on "jobs saved." So the Obama administration is asking that we accept its "clairvoyant ability to estimate," and the White House press corps has let Mr. Obama's ludicrous claim go virtually unchallenged.


Still, there are limits to Mr. Obama's rhetorical tricks. Even he cannot turn job losses into real job gains. And he won't be rescued by stimulus spending.

Former National Economic Council Director Keith Hennessey made a persuasive case on his blog that the stimulus will be ineffective because the additional economic growth it spurs will come six to nine months later than it could have.

This is partly because, as the Congressional Budget Office estimates, only $185 billion (23% of a $787 billion stimulus package) will be spent this fiscal year. The government will spend an additional $399 billion next fiscal year. The balance -- $203 billion -- will be spent between fiscal years 2011 and 2019, long after the economy has turned on its own power and for its own reasons. In addition, much of the stimulus that went this year for tax cuts and transfer payments has been saved, not spent. (The national savings rate went from less than 0% to about 5%.)

If the Obama administration were more serious about growing the economy than just growing government, the stimulus would have been front-loaded into this fiscal year.

In addition, the claim made by Team Obama that every dollar in stimulus translates into a dollar-and-a-half in growth is economic fiction. The costs of stimulus reduce future growth. No country has ever spent itself to prosperity. The price of stimulus has to be paid sometime.

Any real improvement in the economy so far is more likely the result of the Federal Reserve expanding the money supply and the Fed and Treasury shoring up the financial sector.

But the Fed's actions are risky. Easy money and expansionary policies are not sustainable. We may soon be in for a bout of inflation unless the Fed soaks up much of the money it flooded into the system. The government is also likely to hamper private investment as it uses a vast amount of capital to finance its debt. And when the Fed stomps on its monetary brakes, as eventually it must, we'll get sluggish growth.

The irony for Democrats is that the Fed may hit the brakes in the run-up to the 2010 congressional elections or the 2012 presidential election.

It is becoming clear that the economy is now the top issue. Mr. Obama's presidency may well rise or fall on it. The economy will be his responsibility long before next year's elections. Americans may give him a chance to turn things around, but voters can turn unforgiving very quickly if promised jobs don't materialize.

That's what happened in Louisiana, where voters accepted Democrat Gov. Kathleen Blanco's missteps before Hurricane Katrina but brutally rejected her afterward because she failed to turn the state around.

Until now, the new president has benefited from public willingness to give him a honeymoon. He decided to use that grace period to push for the largest expansion of government in U.S. history and to reward political allies (see the sweetheart deals Big Labor received in the GM and Chrysler bankruptcies).

The difficulty for Mr. Obama will be when the public sees where his decisions lead -- higher inflation, higher interest rates, higher taxes, sluggish growth, and a jobless recovery.

Mr. Rove is the former senior adviser and deputy chief of staff to President George W. Bush.

Karl Rove served as Senior Advisor to President George W. Bush from 2000–2007 and Deputy Chief of Staff from 2004–2007. At the White House he oversaw the Offices of Strategic Initiatives, Political Affairs, Public Liaison, and Intergovernmental Affairs and was Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy, coordinating the White House policy making process.

Before Karl became known as "The Architect" of President Bush's 2000 and 2004 campaigns, he was president of Karl Rove + Company, an Austin-based public affairs firm that worked for Republican candidates, nonpartisan causes, and nonprofit groups. His clients included over 75 Republican U.S. Senate, Congressional and gubernatorial candidates in 24 states, as well as the Moderate Party of Sweden.

Karl writes a weekly op-ed for The Wall Street Journal, is a Newsweek columnist and is now writing a book to be published by Simon & Schuster. Email the author at Karl@Rove.com or visit him on the web at Rove.com.

Or, you can send him a Tweet @karlrove.



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Horus on June 15, 2009, 12:49:51 am
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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on June 15, 2009, 12:59:38 am
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The difficulty for Mr. Obama will be when the public sees where his decisions lead

He's not a dictator you know.  He isn't making these decisions on his own.  He can't pass bills on his own.  He represents the people's choice, he represents your country to foreign countries but he has to follow the party guidelines.  He's not even an independent with no party to answer to.  He may be president, but he's not alone and he can't make policy.  The party has a platform, it has it's ideals and beliefs and people who belong to the party believe what the party believes.  As was said earlier, if you want to make change happen, get involved.  Join a political party or at least voice your needs to your local rep or governor and have some input.

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Of course, that isn't strange to Obama supporters because he can do no wrong in their minds, and they have 'faith' in him!

No one said Mr. Obama can do no wrong, but people have faith in him that he will try to do what is right for the majority, not just a few.  Put it this way.  He sure as heck couldn't do anything worse than what Bush did and no one is charging Bush with treason like they should.  No doubt Mr. Obama will make a few mistakes - no one is perfect, but he's at least out there trying to clean up a huge mess.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 15, 2009, 01:42:05 am
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The difficulty for Mr. Obama will be when the public sees where his decisions lead

He's not a dictator you know.  He isn't making these decisions on his own.  He can't pass bills on his own.  He represents the people's choice, he represents your country to foreign countries but he has to follow the party guidelines.  He's not even an independent with no party to answer to.  He may be president, but he's not alone and he can't make policy.  The party has a platform, it has it's ideals and beliefs and people who belong to the party believe what the party believes.  As was said earlier, if you want to make change happen, get involved.  Join a political party or at least voice your needs to your local rep or governor and have some input.

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Of course, that isn't strange to Obama supporters because he can do no wrong in their minds, and they have 'faith' in him!

No one said Mr. Obama can do no wrong, but people have faith in him that he will try to do what is right for the majority, not just a few.  Put it this way.  He sure as heck couldn't do anything worse than what Bush did and no one is charging Bush with treason like they should.  No doubt Mr. Obama will make a few mistakes - no one is perfect, but he's at least out there trying to clean up a huge mess.

            Yes we know he doesn't make decisions alone.He doesn't making it at all.He can't  be dictator, not even that, he is just a puppet, and I don't hate him.You can hate a puppet.Bush was a moron, stupid as puppet can be.

Here is puppet with HART, I vote him.

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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Byron on June 15, 2009, 02:01:42 am
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First of all, as stated, it's not called a "defense" force, but Obama did call it a "SECURITY" force and stated that he was "committed" to building it.  Shouting the same erroneous sentences in all caps is not helping your argument in the slightest either, Byron.

Sure it does.  The point remains that there is nothing that has come down the pike in terms of this current proposal, and I doubt that it will either.  The perfect time to slip it in there would have been the Kennedy Service bill, it isn't there, and he would have to start separate legislation to get it passed, or put it in something else, which he won't do because it would be too controversial.

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Programs and acts can come from the executive branch e.g. the Patriot Act was designed in the Justice Dept of Bush's cabinet.  The New Deal was FDR's series of economic programs, not congress'.

He can propose whatever he wants, if he wants funding for it, it has go through Congress, just like the New Deal did.   :)  And the Patriot Act still had to be introduced into Congress by a member.  Prior to that, of course, it was just sitting in someone's drawer someplace, waiting for the right time.  It is, 1000 pages, of course, so it was not written up after September 11th. 


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Next you are trying to say that none of the plans articulated by Obama during his campaign, or in speeches after the election, can be discussed because they don't exist yet.  Maybe in your little world, but everyone else is watching for his campaign promises to materialize.

You can discuss them all youj want, heck the internet has all sorts of misinformation on it, but unless there is a specific proposal, introduced into Congress for us all to look over, everything is simple speculation.

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Of course, that isn't strange to Obama supporters because he can do no wrong in their minds, and they have 'faith' in him!

I don't think Obama supporters have complete 'faith' in him.  During the campaign, for instance, I had some issues with his vote on FISA.  He is still much better than any of the alternatives that were out there - Hillary, McCain, Ron Paul.  Hillary, for instance, was even more hawkish than Obama, and, since she took more money from the insurance companies than any other candidate, I doubt that we would see any real change in there.


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But when I tried to get Al Gore elected in 2000, and my vote as well 1/2 million other votes didn't matter (Gore had won the popular vote by this margin), and some scandalous, shady shenanigans took place down in Florida which aborted the recount of a miscount, and Bush II became our unelected President, I realized that presidents aren't elected, but rather selected.

That's true, give the Republicans an opportunity and they will steal an election every time!  But the secret is not to just give up on the process, but to show up in such great numbers that they simply can't steal it from us.

Both parties are way too controlled by money, but only about half the Dems are while all the Republicans are.  Therein lies the hope for this country:  we have to start campaign finance reform and we have to get the money out of politics.  Public funding of campaigns, something both Obama and Biden have talked about would do it.


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If Obama pulls all the troops out of Iraq, scales back the military instead of increasing it (because it certainly doesn't need to be increased for any rational reason if we are withdrawing from Middle Eastern wars), doesn't implement a mandatory youth brainwashing service program, nor a giant civilian national security force, then I'll breathe easier.

According to the agreement we signed with Iraq, all the troops are supposed to be out of there by 2011.  And if we get Bin Laden in Afghanistan, we'd be out of there, too.  We don't need our military to stop terrorist attacks, all we need is to build some schools and hospitals in these place so the terrorists there have no support network.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 15, 2009, 02:06:30 am
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                                                   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP9SBZxCo9Q&feature=related

Hannity belongs to the neocon side of the NWO cult.  He should talk.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 15, 2009, 02:12:48 am

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                                                                    Judge snubs admin. on Gitmo files

By JOSH GERSTEIN | 6/9/09 11:12 PM EDT

President Barack Obama’s plan to empty the Guantanamo Bay prison appeared to suffer another blow on Tuesday, after a federal judge bluntly rejected the administration’s plea to limit access to information gathered by a presidential task force reviewing the cases of the 240 men detained there.


U.S. District Court Judge Thomas Hogan also accused the government of dragging its feet and gave Justice Department lawyers a tongue-lashing for failing to comply with existing court orders dating as far back as February.


In a sharply worded ruling from the bench, Hogan said he was unconvinced that sharing the task force information with detainees’ lawyers would interfere with the reviews Obama has ordered as part of his plan to close the prison camp by January. The judge also said the court could not be in a position of denying detainees the right to use information that could help their cases.


“I see no reason why the court can’t move ahead with its litigation promptly, just because of discovery from one database that would somehow bring to a halt all the president’s efforts,” Hogan said skeptically from the bench at the conclusion of a two-hour hearing on the government’s proposal.


Hogan also faulted the Justice Department for “a fundamental misunderstanding of the judicial process and its relation with the executive, and its failure to abide by court orders that have been issued and are outstanding.”


“The executive cannot order what the courts should do,” the judge said.
 


Before Hogan’s ruling, Justice Department attorney James Gilligan argued that it would take a team of 10 to 20 government attorneys four to 12 months to sort through all of the task force’s information in the 50 or more cases, get it reviewed by other government agencies and provide it to the detainees’ lawyers. He said the orders to produce task force information were “of terrible concern to us.”


“It’s obvious you’re going to have to get more lawyers,” the judge said. He suggested that with the downturn in the economy, Justice “could find 10 to 20 attorneys to do the work.”


Hogan noted that Obama’s order setting up the task force and vowing to close Guantanamo came about four months ago. However, the judge said he had to adhere to a Supreme Court ruling issued nearly a year ago which instructed lower courts to conduct “prompt” hearings on the so-called habeas corpus cases brought by most of the war-on-terror prisoners at Guantanamo.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 15, 2009, 02:16:35 am
“The president’s executive order you feel trumps the Supreme Court’s order?” the judge asked Gilligan.


“No, we don’t,” Gilligan replied. He said the delays were simply a matter of logistics. “It’s an unavoidable reality when you’re talking about a database with 2 million pages of documents. ... It can’t be done quickly.”


In court papers, the government said full searches would actually involve multiple databases run by a variety of agencies.


Hogan called the government’s arguments “exaggerated” and said its estimates were mere “generalities.” He accused the government of setting up a “Hobson’s choice” where detainees — some of whom have been held without charge for more than seven years — could have their cases heard immediately or could wait as long as another year for evidence that might undermine the government’s case to hold them.


“We’ve seen clients lose heart and in some cases lose their minds,” attorney Dan Malone of Dechert LLP said, arguing on behalf of the detainees against the government’s plan. “It’s not efficient. It’s not just.”


Malone said the government’s claims that the orders required task force personnel to sift through the information themselves were wrong.


Hogan’s ruling applied to about 50 cases being considered by seven federal judges in Washington. However, he said the government was free to seek relief from the individual judges. About 240 prisoners remain at Guantanamo and the vast majority have court challenges pending.


Obama said last month that about 50 detainees have been cleared for release or transfer to other countries, though finding countries willing to accept them has proven difficult.


The judge also chastised the Justice Department for “rather egregiously” failing to comply with court rules requiring consultation with the opposing parties.

A spokesman said Tuesday night that the department was reviewing Hogan’s ruling.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 15, 2009, 02:20:17 am
With all this Porkulus money Obama is well on the way of destroying the dollar.

How many countries have abandoned the dollar under Bush 43 and Obama 44 ??

Let's see if Obama signs the bill to audit the Federal-Reserve who caused America's economic plight at the request of the Bilderbergers and the IMF.

As for my dis-establishmentarian-ism  ;D  who is always carrying the anti-discriminatory torch regarding 3rd, 4th and 5th parties.  If Republicans are so free-market why not compete with Libertarians, Socialists, Constitutionalists as well as Greens on a national level in all 50 states.  First tho each party must get on all state ballots in all 50 first.

The truth is the NWO is behind all this corruption, it has been proven yet people still keep going back and forth between the 2 established Bilderberg-controlled parties.  It's like a dull-witted woman vascillating between abusive boyfriends time and time again.

I just prefer Constitutional-compatibility with my candidates.   ;)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 15, 2009, 02:22:56 am
“The president’s executive order you feel trumps the Supreme Court’s order?” the judge asked Gilligan.


“No, we don’t,” Gilligan replied. He said the delays were simply a matter of logistics. “It’s an unavoidable reality when you’re talking about a database with 2 million pages of documents. ... It can’t be done quickly.”


In court papers, the government said full searches would actually involve multiple databases run by a variety of agencies.


Hogan called the government’s arguments “exaggerated” and said its estimates were mere “generalities.” He accused the government of setting up a “Hobson’s choice” where detainees — some of whom have been held without charge for more than seven years — could have their cases heard immediately or could wait as long as another year for evidence that might undermine the government’s case to hold them.


“We’ve seen clients lose heart and in some cases lose their minds,” attorney Dan Malone of Dechert LLP said, arguing on behalf of the detainees against the government’s plan. “It’s not efficient. It’s not just.”


Malone said the government’s claims that the orders required task force personnel to sift through the information themselves were wrong.


Hogan’s ruling applied to about 50 cases being considered by seven federal judges in Washington. However, he said the government was free to seek relief from the individual judges. About 240 prisoners remain at Guantanamo and the vast majority have court challenges pending.


Obama said last month that about 50 detainees have been cleared for release or transfer to other countries, though finding countries willing to accept them has proven difficult.


The judge also chastised the Justice Department for “rather egregiously” failing to comply with court rules requiring consultation with the opposing parties.

A spokesman said Tuesday night that the department was reviewing Hogan’s ruling.

The American CIA is beihnd all false-flag operations save the cost of internment and just let them go already.   ::)

Good article Harconen.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 15, 2009, 04:03:57 pm


The American CIA is beihnd all false-flag operations save the cost of internment and just let them go already.   ::)

Good article Harconen.
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 Interesting thing, they are "closeing" one camp, and on other side, they are opening new FEMA camps  ???

“We’ve seen clients lose heart and in some cases lose their minds,” attorney Dan Malone

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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on June 15, 2009, 04:09:04 pm
We should use the FEMA Camps for all those fractional-reserve bankers and those in the CFR who are trying to bring down America.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 15, 2009, 07:01:39 pm
We should use the FEMA Camps for all those fractional-reserve bankers and those in the CFR who are trying to bring down America.

No Volitzer.It was done in the past, by them, and it was not good solution.We must find another way.

                                   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6585094223192066946&ei=l-A2SvvhMqP42wLE_PCwCQ&q=ramstein+america&hl=en


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 15, 2009, 07:09:48 pm
Volitzer you build the craft. I'll design the electro-magnetic rail launch system.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 15, 2009, 07:47:50 pm
Volitzer you build the craft. I'll design the electro-magnetic rail launch system.

                   Can I go with you?

                                 
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                And, can my girlfriend come too?

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Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 15, 2009, 08:12:40 pm
Actually, I'm thinking about a disposable craft on a one way trip to the Sun.
And ofcourse, placing these criminals aboard it and that will be that.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 15, 2009, 08:18:41 pm
Actually, I'm thinking about a disposable craft on a one way trip to the Sun.
And ofcourse, placing these criminals aboard it and that will be that.
LOL
It is to many of them.Better if we go on Earth II.There is no pollution there.

(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6604/ald77.jpg) (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/ald77.jpg/)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 16, 2009, 11:47:25 pm

                                     (http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4143/politicalpicturesbarack.jpg) (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/politicalpicturesbarack.jpg/)


By PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 11 mins ago

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama, under growing criticism for not seeking to end the ban on openly gay men and women in the military, is extending benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees.

Obama plans to announce his decision on Wednesday in the Oval Office, a White House official said Tuesday. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because the president hadn't yet signed the presidential memorandum.

The official said Obama would release more details on Wednesday.

The decision is a political nod to a reliably Democratic voting bloc that in recent weeks has grown frustrated with the White House's slow movement on their priorities.

Several powerful gay fundraisers withdrew their support from a June 25 Democratic National Committee event where Vice President Joe Biden is expected to speak. Their exit came in response to a June 12 Justice Department brief that defended the Defense of Marriage Act, a prime target for gay and lesbian criticism. Justice lawyers argued that the law allowed states to reject marriages performed in other states or countries that defy their own standards.

The legal arguments — including citing incest and sex with minors — sparked rebellion among gay and lesbian activists who had been largely biting their tongues since Obama won election. They had objected to the Rev. Rick Warren's invitation to participate in the inauguration despite his support for repealing gay marriage in California.

Their January protest won the invitation of Episcopal Bishop V. Gene Robinson, whose consecration as the first openly gay bishop divided and almost split his denomination.

Gays and lesbians later fretted as the White House declined to intervene in the cases of enlisted military members facing courts martial for defying the Clinton-era "don't ask, don't tell" policies. White House officials say they want Congress to repeal the policy as part of a "lasting and durable" solution, instead of intervening on individual cases.

"The president agreed that ... the policy wasn't working for our national interests, that he committed to change that policy, that he's working with the secretary of defense and the joint chiefs on making that happen," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said last month.

In the meantime, the administration has tried to make small, quiet moves to extend benefits to gays and lesbians. The State Department has promised to give partners of gay and lesbian diplomats many benefits, such as diplomatic passports and language training.

But without a specific change in the Federal Employees' Health Benefits Program, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton's promises left out financial benefits such as pensions. Obama's move could make that shift.

Gay and lesbian activists had expected Obama to take action some time in June, which is gay pride month.

Richard Socarides, a New York attorney and former senior adviser on gay rights issues to President Bill Clinton, was taking a wait-and-see attitude on Obama's announcement.

"If it doesn't include health insurance, if he doesn't talk about the military and about the (Justice Department) brief, I think it will fall short," Socarides said in an e-mail late Tuesday. "Right now, people are looking for real action."

John Berry, the highest-ranking gay official in the administration and the de facto human resources chief for the administration, told a gay rally last weekend that Obama planned to take action on benefits soon.

Berry, who heads the Office of Personnel and Management, has repeatedly told reporters that he expected the White House to turn to legislation to give domestic partners access to federal health and retirement plans.

But Obama so far has sent only one piece of legislation to Congress — a pay-as-you-go measure that is part of his wooing of fiscally conservative Democrats.

Instead, Obama will use his signature instead of legislation to achieve the benefits parity sought by same-sex couples.



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 27, 2009, 09:21:01 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7XbbCdbiNY

To explain money and it's system.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 27, 2009, 11:36:28 am







"....Indeed, if we pass a bill that only creates the illusion of addressing the problem,
we walk away with only an illusion.

The price for that illusion is the opportunity to take substantive action.”



Dennis Kucinich on why he didn’t vote for the Waxman-Markey




---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Good for him.

Of course, it’s not only that the bill was an illusion.

Let’s not leave out that it will also be a very profitable illusion for the select connected few who
get the exclusions, the contracts, and the trading rights on the commodities market for all those
carbon trades.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on June 27, 2009, 02:53:43 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzJ1wJGHF_M&feature=player_embedded

 8)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on June 27, 2009, 03:38:12 pm
Go get "them"!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=577Zsya2W4E&feature=related  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1ks8UhYCow&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fatlantisonline%2Esmfforfree2%2Ecom%2Findex%2Ephp%2Ftopic%2C17753%2E405%2Ftopicseen%2Ehtml&feature=player_embedded

I am sory I can't be there with you, I wish you to stop the tyranny before it become world wide.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 29, 2009, 04:32:10 pm









                                        White firefighters win Supreme Court appeal
           





Mark Sherman,
Associated Press Writer
June 29, 2009
WASHINGTON

– The Supreme Court ruled Monday that white firefighters in New Haven, Conn., were unfairly denied promotions because of their race, reversing a decision that high court nominee Sonia Sotomayor endorsed as an appeals court judge.

The ruling could alter employment practices nationwide and make it harder to prove discrimination when there is no evidence it was intentional.

New Haven was wrong to scrap a promotion exam because no African-Americans and only two Hispanic firefighters were likely to be made lieutenants or captains based on the results, the court said Monday in a 5-4 decision. The city said that it had acted to avoid a lawsuit from minorities.

The ruling could give Sotomayor's critics fresh ammunition two weeks before her Senate confirmation hearing. Conservatives say it shows she is a judicial activist who lets her own feelings color her decisions. On the other hand, liberal allies say her stance in the case demonstrates her restraint and unwillingness to go beyond established precedents.

Coincidentally, the court may have given a boost to calls for quick action on her nomination.

The court said it will return Sept. 9 to hear a second round of arguments in a campaign finance case, and with Justice David Souter retiring there would be only eight justices unless Sotomayor has been confirmed by then.

In Monday's ruling, Justice Anthony Kennedy said, "Fear of litigation alone cannot justify an employer's reliance on race to the detriment of individuals who passed the examinations and qualified for promotions." He was joined in the majority by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.

In dissent, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said the white firefighters "understandably attract this court's sympathy. But they had no vested right to promotion. Nor have other persons received promotions in preference to them."

Justices Souter, Stephen Breyer and John Paul Stevens signed onto Ginsburg's dissent, which she read aloud in court Monday. Speaking dismissively of the majority opinion, she predicted the court's ruling "will not have staying power."

Kennedy's opinion made only passing reference to the work of Sotomayor and the other two judges on the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals who upheld a lower court ruling in favor of New Haven.

But the appellate judges have been criticized for producing a cursory opinion that failed to deal with "indisputably complex and far from well-settled" questions, in the words of another appeals court judge, Sotomayor mentor Jose Cabranes.

"This perfunctory disposition rests uneasily with the weighty issues presented by this appeal," Cabranes said, in a dissent from the full 2nd Circuit's decision not to hear the case.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, said Sotomayor should not be criticized for the unsigned appeals court decision, which he asserted she did not write. "Judge Sotomayor and the lower court panel did what judges are supposed to do, they followed precedent," said the Vermont Democrat who will preside over Sotomayor's confirmation hearings next month.

Leahy also called the high court decision "cramped" and wrong.

In New Haven, Nancy Ricci, whose son, Frank, was the lead plaintiff on the lawsuit, carried a large cake decorated with red, white and blue frosting into the law office where the firefighters were celebrating their victory.

The ruling is "a sign that individual achievement should not take a back seat to race or ethnicity," said Karen Torre, the firefighters' attorney. "I think the import of the decision is that cities cannot bow to politics and pressure and lobbying by special interest groups or act to achieve racial quotas."

At a press conference on the steps of city hall in New Haven, firefighter Frank Ricci said the ruling showed that "if you work hard, you can succeed in America."

Monday's decision has its origins in New Haven's need to fill vacancies for lieutenants and captains in its fire department. It hired an outside firm to design a test, which was given to 77 candidates for lieutenant and 41 candidates for captain.

Fifty-six firefighters passed the exams, including 41 whites, nine blacks and six Hispanics. But of those, only 17 whites and two Hispanics could expect promotion.

The city eventually decided not to use the exam to determine promotions. It said it acted because it might have been vulnerable to claims that the exam had a "disparate impact" on minorities in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

The white firefighters said the decision violated the same law's prohibition on intentional discrimination. The lawsuit was filed by 20 white plaintiffs, including one man who is both white and Hispanic.

Kennedy said an employer needs a "strong basis in evidence" to believe it will be held liable in a disparate impact lawsuit. New Haven had no such evidence, he said.

The city declined to validate the test after it was given, a step that could have identified flaws or determined that there were no serious problems with it. In addition, city officials could not say what was wrong with the test, other than the racially skewed results.

"The city could be liable for disparate-impact discrimination only if the examinations were not job related" or the city failed to use a less discriminatory alternative, Kennedy said. "We conclude that there is no strong basis in evidence to establish that the test was deficient in either of these respects."

But Ginsburg said the court should have assessed "the starkly disparate results" of the exams against the backdrop of historical and ongoing inequality in the New Haven fire department. As of 2003, she said, only one of the city's 21 fire captains was African-American.

Until this decision, Ginsburg said, the civil rights law's prohibitions on intentional discrimination and disparate impact were complementary, both aimed at ending workplace discrimination.

"Today's decision sets these paired directives at odds," she said.

___



Associated Press writer

Katie Nelson

in New Haven, Conn.,
contributed to this report.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 29, 2009, 04:34:34 pm


















                                 White House: Court ruling shows nominee not biased




 
 
Jun 29, 2009     
WASHINGTON
(AP)

- Spinning a Supreme Court decision in its favor, the White House said Monday that the justices' reversal of a ruling that high court nominee Sonia Sotomayor endorsed as an appeals court judge proves that she follows judicial precedent.
The high court ruled that white firefighters in New Haven, Conn., were unfairly denied promotions because of their race.

Presidential spokesman Robert Gibbs said the ruling should put to rest claims by Sotomayor 's Senate critics that she's an activist judge.


"One thing is clear, that the ruling by Judge Sotomayor was based on the precedent of the Second Circuit. ... The Supreme Court clearly had a new interpretation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act," Gibbs said.

"Some of the very concerns that members of the Senate have expressed about judicial activism seem to be, at the very least, upside down in this case. Her ruling on the Second Circuit denotes that she's a follower of precedent," Gibbs said.

He said he was not concerned that the reversal would cause her trouble in Senate confirmation hearings, and he doesn't see anything in the decision that would prevent her from assuming her Supreme Court seat.

"There's little political significance to whatever the court decided today in terms of Judge Sotomayor except to render a fairly definitive opinion that she follows judicial precedent and that she doesn't legislate from the bench," Gibbs said.

Gibbs said the White House wants Sotomayor to be sworn in and seated by Sept. 9, when the new court will hear a First Amendment case.

"We want her to be an active participant" to avoid the possibility of a divided court, Gibbs said.



Copyright 2009 The Associated Press.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on June 29, 2009, 04:44:35 pm









"Presidential spokesman Robert Gibbs said the ruling should put to rest claims by Sotomayor 's Senate critics that she's an activist judge."






Uh.....she was


                                                             REVERSED.

In simple terms, that means


                                                       SHE GOT IT WRONG.

Nitwit......

OK....."maybe" just "maybe" she isnt biased. It still doesnt change the fact that she was and is


                                                               WRONG.

Can you grasp this, Gibbs?

She was WRONG. I'll even spell it slow for you. She was



                                                        W...R...O....N...G !!!!!

Now


                                                              SPIN THAT!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on July 03, 2009, 06:08:51 pm
Obama Committing Fraud and Treason: Multiple Grand Juries (Part I)

By Neil B. Turner

What everyone knows:

Most of America knows (beyond any reasonable doubt) that Barry Soetoro (aka Barack Hussein Obama) is not Constitutionally eligible to hold the office of President of the United States (POTUS) and Commander in Chief (CinC) (per Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution of the U.S.).    
      
Obama Committing Fraud and Treason: Multiple Grand Juries

Most of America also knows (beyond any reasonable doubt) that the members of Congress (all 535 of them), the Federal Courts, the Supreme Court, and ALL the Media (including FNC) are either ‘in the tank for’ or ‘paid off or intimidated by’ the illegitimate, criminal and Treasonous presumed President and Commander in Chief, Barry Soetoro (aka Barack Hussein Obama) and his coterie of thugs.

Origins, history, and applicability of the citizen’s Grand Jury:

The 5th Amendment of our U.S. Constitution provides that: … ‘No person shall be held to answer for any capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury.’ It doesn’t say ‘Federal’ Grand Jury, a ‘Grand Jury called and impaneled by a Judge, Special Prosecutor, or District Attorney’, nor does it say a ‘Government impaneled’ Grand Jury.

The concept of a Citizen’s Grand Jury dates all the way back to the Magna Carta in 1215, and was included by the founders in our Constitution and Bill of Rights as a means for the people to reign-in an elected government run amok. It goes without saying that when a government is committing criminal and un-Constitutional acts, it can hardly be relied upon to bring charges and indictments against itself. Justice Antonin Scalia, in a 1992 ruling stated:

"Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, … the grand jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right.."

"In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people."

Thus is the situation that we Americans find ourselves in now – the proverbial ‘fox’ is in charge of the ‘henhouse’, and it is devouring the rooster, the hens, the chickens, and their eggs – on a daily basis!

The Citizen’s Grand Jury was a common feature of early American jurisprudence, but fell into disuse about 100 years ago, as the Government passed more and more un-Constitutional laws and acts. In the mid 1940’s, some devious lawyers and judges felt they should try to bury the concept and any possibility of a Citizen’s (or People’s) watchdog group looking over their nefarious shoulders any longer, so they wrote into their system of Federal Rules of Criminal Procedures the following:    
      
(Common Law Grand Jury) ‘… presentments as a method of instituting prosecutions are obsolete, at least as concerns the Federal Courts.’

The trouble is, you cannot change the U.S. Constitution by merely writing a rule! It must be by Amendment, a time-consuming, laborious and people-enlightening process, requiring ratification of the change, spelled out in detail, and the reasons therefore, by ¾ of the States (38 of the current 50 states at this time). Obsolete indeed!

NOTE: Typically, courts and the judiciary issue ‘Indictments’, while Citizen’s Grand Juries issue ‘Presentments’, which, when formally presented to those sworn to uphold, protect, and defend the Constitution, they must, by law, then issue an Indictment, and failure to do so makes them guilty of misprision of treason (the concealment of a treason or felony and failure to report it to the prosecuting authorities, by a person who has not committed it). As a result of this act of ‘misprision’, they could then be indicted themselves by future Citizen’s Grand Juries convened for just this purpose, much like the entire 535 members of Congress could be indicted for certifying the electoral votes for a known Constitutionally ineligible candidate for the presidency.

Early in 2009, a brilliant Constitutional lawyer, Leo Donofrio, wrote a detailed dissertation on the renewed use and viability of the Citizens’ Grand Jury, especially in light of the dumbing-down of the American populace, and their adulation of a mesmerizing, opaque, and criminal Imposter usurping the Presidency (and Commander in Chief-ship) of the United States. By pulling off the greatest hoax in the 230+ years since the founding of our Country, Barry Soetoro (aka Barack Obama) puts Ponzi and Madoff to shame.

First Citizen’s Grand Juryof the 21st century

Oddly enough, before the on-again, off-again Leo Donofrio could convince his readers that the Citizen’s Grand Jury wouldn’t apply in the case of ousting this particular usurper/imposter, a number of motivated patriotic Americans had already seized upon the concept, and the 21st Century Citizen’s Grand Jury was born!

On March 28th, 2009, Mr. Carl Swensson convened a panel of 25 sworn jurors in Stockbridge, GA, saying, ‘I’m no lawyer, and I’m not exactly sure what I’m doing, but I’m doing it anyway!’ Following an hour+ long presentation of documented evidence of fraud, forgery, corruption, money laundering, stolen SS numbers, perjury, and Treason by both Barack and Michelle Obama (and their many aliases) given by Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq. (by phone, as she was in CA), the GA Citizen’s Grand Jury deliberated for an hour, and then came down with indictments/presentments (or a ‘True Bill’) against the presumed President of the United States, Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama.    
      
Dr. Taitz’ entire presentation of evidence was videotaped (by myself), and can be seen in its entirety here for use by anyone convening a Citizen’s Grand Jury anywhere in the U.S. The entire 150 page ‘dossier’ on the criminal and un-constitutional acts of these two hoax-sters has been sent to all 50 States’ Attorneys General. One of these dossiers is available for all who wish to be informed here. No one can say, “but I didn’t know!”

To be continued...

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107897-0/


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on July 03, 2009, 06:13:31 pm
Obama Committing Fraud and Treason: Multiple Grand Juries (Part II)

First Online Citizen’s Grand Jury

The following month, using the power of the government-developed internet (how ironic), the world’s first online Citizen’s Grand Jury was launched by American patriot Bob Campbell of AZ, and the www.AmericanGrandJury.org was born. The first group of 25 vetted and sworn jurors studied the evidence online for a week, and on 29 April they voted a ‘True Bill’ of Presentments of Fraud (eligibility) and Treason against the defendant: presumed president of the United States, Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama.

This was followed by 6 more online Grand Juries (to date, June 24, 2009). All have issued formal presentments of charges of Fraud (ineligibility) and Treason, and have begun to ‘Serve’ these indictments to Law Enforcement, Sheriffs, District Attorneys, Attorneys General, and District Courts all across the country. (I personally served my charges from being a juror on the May 9th, 2009 American Grand Jury, at the historic 1911 Williamson County District Courthouse in Georgetown, TX, while visiting there from CA on June 15th, 2009. My report on this ‘Serving’ can be seen here).

In the 2 ½ months since Carl Swensson’s first modern-day Citizen’s Grand Jury on March 28, 2009, there have been numerous online and on-the-ground State Grand Juries impaneled and deliberated (including TX, AR, & IL), with ‘True Bill’ indictment/presentment verdicts reached in every single one, and with over 200 ‘servings’ having been made so far. Soon there will be thousands served, too many for the press and media (Radio, Newspapers, & TV*) to ignore. Imagine the pressure on Mr. & Mrs. Soetoro (aka Obama) as they await that OMG moment when the truth that they have spent over a $million dollars to hide suddenly exposes them for the Treasonous frauds they are.
To show by example just how treacherous the American Main Stream media is, even Fox News, the "champion of truth" will not show America the truth of Obama's birth, as evidenced by their silence on the phony Certification of Live Birth and their outright lies about it:

* Fox News Channel’s TV news anchor Shepard Smith recently announced that he is apparently the defacto expert on Barack Obama’s citizenship when he said on-air on June 10, 2009:

“There are these crazies out there who want to pretend [Obama’s] not a citizen of the United States, who want to pretend that his religion is something they see as in some way troublesome to them and all of us.    
      
And there is a group perpetuating this thought, and there is a culture to which you can attach yourself very easily through the Internet. We know it’s absolutely – there is no truth whatsoever – zero – to any of those ideas, yet they live within the computer and they fester in people’s minds.”

These insulting and ignorant-of-the-facts statements, broadcast publicly to millions of viewers by Mr. Smith, will soon come back to haunt him, when he and FNC are subpoenaed into court to show proof of the source of these outrageous statements. This year’s July 4th Independence Day celebrations should have some unusual fireworks indeed.

Suspension of Posse Comitatus/Mutiny or Treason?

On March 10th, 2009, a frightening event took place in Samson, AL, when a deranged gunman went on a shooting spree. This led to an un-constitutional suspension of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 (18 U.S.C. Section 1385), as a contingent of armed U.S. military forces took over the town in pursuit of this lone gunman. This blatant and treasonous violation of our Constitution and our laws was the last straw for Lt. Commander Walter Fitzpatrick, III, U.S. Navy, Retired (West Point 1975), subject to lifetime recall. So on March 17, 2009, LCdr Fitzpatrick served charges of Treason against the usurping Commander in Chief, knowing full well that if his criminal charges against the POTUS and CinC were false, he would have to be charged with Mutiny*! But if true, the usurper would have to be charged with Treason*, and if the prosecuting authorities who were aware of these charges failed to issue an indictment, they would also be complicit in (and guilty of) these acts of Treason!

* NOTE: Both Mutiny and Treason can be punishable by death.

Commander Fitzpatrick has yet to be charged with Mutiny (over 3 months later), and Mr. Barry Soetoro (aka Barack Obama) has therefore, by his silence in this matter, ‘admitted’ to the charge of Treason. Commander Fitzpatrick’s criminal charges of Treason have been served, either on their own or in conjunction with the American Grand Jury presentments, all over the country, and can be downloaded after registering here, so that each and every patriotic American can serve these charges wherever they are in the U.S. as well.
Never let a crisis go to waste

Remember the infamous words of the Great Imposter’s Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel when he said: “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste, and what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you didn't think you could do before.” Well, we have a serious Constitutional crisis here, and YOU have an opportunity to do things that you never thought you could do before: OUST the IMPOSTER! All we need is for just ONE honest and patriotic judge, anywhere in these 50 United States, to order DISCOVERY!    
      
So when someone asks: ‘What can I, as just one person, do to help save our Constitution?’, don’t ask if it’s a rhetorical question or do they really want to know. Just send them to the www.AmericanGrandJury.org where they can click on ‘How To Serve Presentments’.

Now let’s get to work and ‘Take Our Country Back!’ One County at a Time (www.CitizensGrandJury.org).

Neil B. Turner
Capt., United States Army-Aviation (1957-1964)
www.YouTube.com/IroquoisChief


http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107912-0/


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on July 05, 2009, 10:26:06 am





CA Rep Bob Filner has quietly introduced




                                                               H. R. 6 7 5 :





''To amend title 10,

United States Code,

            to provide police officers, criminal investigators, and game law enforcement officers of the



                                                      Department of Defense


                       with authority to execute warrants, make arrests, and carry firearms.''





That's it. In its entirety.



                                                        Obama's brownshirts.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Wounded Eagle on July 05, 2009, 04:06:28 pm
I looked for information on this, but could only find it mentioned on right wing websites.  Hence, it needs to be relegated to the category of "propaganda," barring the time when Obama's "brownshirts" begin appearing on the streets.

Which raises the question, for what reason would Obama even want brownshirts?  He has the army, the police and the National Guard to draw on.  If anyone thinks that he can, even if he wanted to, ram through a bill that would create a personal defense force, as well-equipped as the army, they are sadly mistaken!  Some of the Dems in Congress don't even want to vote for National Health Insurance.  It is sheer lunacy to think that Congress would vote anything in to make him MORE powerful.

Wake up, people!  Don't be boobs for the defeated right wing propagandists. All they are after is more tax cuts for their rich patriarchs anyway.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on July 05, 2009, 04:23:37 pm





Go back to Post #373 and watch the Obama videos, Wounded Eagle!

Right  out of his mouth!!!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Wounded Eagle on July 05, 2009, 05:04:30 pm
Bianca, what difference do videos make?  The points I made were still valid ones, namely,

If Obama tried to ram through a bill that would create a personal defense force, as well-equipped as the army, not only would there be mass opposition to it, but you would also hear about it on the news,

NOT JUST THE RIGHT WING NEWS!

Your fears are ungrounded.  America elects Presidents, they do not elect kings.  And, to the extent we have elected men who would prefer to be kings, they are interested in doing so to protect the corptocracy, and those men are almost always Republican/conservative Presidents, like Reagan and the Bushes.



Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on July 05, 2009, 06:38:09 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eootfzAhAoU&feature=player_embedded


 ;)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Klansman on July 06, 2009, 07:23:27 am
 :D


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on July 06, 2009, 08:05:58 am
 :D :D :D :D

(http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/2720/fdm.jpg) (http://img382.imageshack.us/i/fdm.jpg/)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on July 06, 2009, 12:41:52 pm
Barack Obama: The Naked Emperor


                              http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Volitzer on July 06, 2009, 03:15:41 pm
Yup !!!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on July 06, 2009, 03:44:06 pm
Now be mindful of the fact that McKinney, also ended up missing.
Why?

  8)

Now if we are all just being paranoid; Then why would questions like the ones she asked cause her to disappear?

Secondly; What are the answers to these questions?
Anyone know what the responces were?

As my friend Harconen stated- Follow the money!
Now let's re-examine the question. How is Bush and Obama connected?
Rumsfeld! Bush's right hand man in Iraq. Secretary of defence who couldn't even answer 3 questions on his own without the assistance of the others who spoke.
Hmmmmm

Next, Why hasn't Obama adressed these issues himself?

Hmmmmmm

Lastly; How come no responce was given publically to the questions asked?
I have my own hunches about why this and that is happening the way it is.
Ofcourse given what you have just seen and heard on your own, I'm sure you all are able to draw your own conclusions. Yet, I would like to atleast appeal being considered paranoid.

Their acts effect me personally very little.
However, to a vast majority of people out there. These things effect many aspects of their own lives and I am just trying to find answers to all of this. In which I'm sure many of you out there are too.
Volitzer do you have any more information about McKinney?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp9WOi1QcM4&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK2FfikZzKk&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY82HxvIcdI&feature=player_embedded


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on July 06, 2009, 03:54:17 pm
Now here is something I experienced myself a few days ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5tiFL8xgq4&feature=player_embedded


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on July 06, 2009, 04:04:06 pm
Now be mindful of the fact that McKinney, also ended up missing.
Why?

  8)

Now if we are all just being paranoid; Then why would questions like the ones she asked cause her to disappear?


HFN,
Please, can you explane me how she can be missing?Realy missing?We dont't know where she is?  :o


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on July 06, 2009, 04:28:23 pm
Missing as in no further comments about the day she did grill Rumfeld.
And missing as in where is the remaining testamony?




Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on July 06, 2009, 04:40:19 pm
Missing as in no further comments about the day she did grill Rumfeld.



Ou,OK.My english is not so good.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on July 07, 2009, 03:41:44 pm
Here's the text of one SUPERB Tea Party Speech.--- Really cranks up those emotions

Posted By: Watchman
Date: Monday, 6-Jul-2009 17:42:00
This was the winning speech in the World Net Daily contest. I wish I could have heard it given with proper auditory emphasis

Editor's note: Following is the winning entry submitted in WorldNetDaily's Independence Day tea party speech contest.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103021
________________________

John Manning's speech:

Fastened upon our ancestors by the despots of faraway lands, the Chains of Tyranny were linked by hereditary bondage, undeserved tribute and indentured servitude. By exhibiting gallant resolve and courage – in some cases against the face of certain death – our Minutemen forefathers gloriously threw off these chains just 233 short years ago.

Much has changed since that time. Yet today, we hear again the rattling and clanking of the Chains of Tyranny. The chains we hear are held not by foreign powers. Dreadfully, it is those among us, many of whom are our elected leaders, who possess the chains and toil endlessly to cast them across our backs. Now heavier and longer, the Chains of Tyranny have been wrought with new links – apathy masked by complacency, socialism fueled by internationalism, cults of undeserved celebrity and a reckless belief in the equality of results.

Moreover, they are now deceptively plated in gold. We have been assured, time and time again, by those who hold the chains that they "know better" and that to embrace their shackles would be "for our own good."

The threatened return of the Chains of Tyranny triggers that transcendent call for us to assemble here today.

Who are we?

We are the Defenders of Liberty!

Our hands reach across generations. We do not perceive the value of each other in abstract terms of race, gender, ethnicity or creed. We do not see ourselves as rich or poor. We spurn "identity politics" as a lazy and inadequate substitute for a guarded vigilance balanced by independent thoughts. For we are all individual citizens of America – black and white, man and woman, Mayflower descendent and newly naturalized – and we must all stand united to protect freedom's priceless but delicate charge!

We detest efforts by the holders of the Chains of Tyranny to corrupt the everyday meaning of things and turn us against one another.

Hope is not faith! Change is not reform! Taxation is not charity! Equality is not opportunity! Servitude is not freedom!

To this end, we reject the following confused ideas tinkered in minds that reason abandoned and faith no longer moderates: Inconvenient truths, audacities of hope, carbon footprints, unearned incomes and government-sponsored "recoveries."

We believe there is but one market – the free market – that, if allowed to run unfettered in a free society, can provide all men and women the opportunity to use the results of their work to better themselves, their families and their communities.

We know that public bailouts, no matter the intention, foster dependence, which in turn fornicates with servitude and begets slavery. For this reason alone, we would rather walk than drive a car made by any government! We would rather be paupers than be made rich by "public" money! We would rather drop dead than be cared for by Nurse Fed!

We further reject the guise of "universal health care" and recognize this abhorrent creature for what it is: a brazen attempt to seize illegally our wealth, control how we care for our mortal bodies, limit our access to the best medicines, stifle scientific progress and medical innovation, and transform our doctor's offices and hospitals into DMV-style waiting rooms.

The Defenders of Liberty will never stand by and ignore the attempts of others to cast off their own chains of servitude. We will not strike accords or offer bribes to dictators! We would rather cut off our hands before extending them to the harbingers of evil!

Speaking of evil, we know only those true rights: those that are unalienable and endowed by our Creator. We reject penumbral "rights" as false and dangerous ideas contrived in judicial cauldrons established only to massacre those who permeate the bookends of life.

And finally, we know that our sovereignty shall forever reside in We the People. For this we reassert that any government that limits the God-given right of her citizens to defend themselves automatically ceases to be a government – for such action shall void the social contract from which it was forged.

We are the True Patriots, left to guard perpetually that shining city upon a hill. We know of her, we dream of her, and yes, throughout history she has had a name: AMERICA! Let us rally around her, for we are the Defenders of Liberty! Let us hoist our flags, wave our banners and bear our arms! Let us be vigilant and fight any attempt to ravage her! For, as the envious eyes of the world are still cast upon us, we vow not to be the last to feel the sweet effervescence of her freedom!

God bless America!

Submitted by John Manning of Alexandria Va.


http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=150469


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on July 08, 2009, 02:54:16 pm
(http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo343/mychalm1313/recessattheasylum.gif)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on July 08, 2009, 05:07:01 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnx6a5mlM9M&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDod-vegyhI&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8xG0wZfG4I&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVGiJpHNIPk&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyROultZMJA&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQcYhW9MDD4&feature=player_embedded

 ;)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on July 08, 2009, 05:30:44 pm
Volitzer........


Listen to movie 3


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on July 08, 2009, 05:37:25 pm
Holder “Hate Speech” Video Floods Senate


Truth Tellers
Wednesday, July 8, 2009

NPN polls show dozens of Senatorial aides have watched our 10-minute video “Holder Admits: No Equality in Hate Bill.” Dozens more, both Democrat and Republican, are promising to watch it or pass it on to Senators.

With possibly only a week left before a Senate vote on hate bill S. 909, this video is the political dynamite that could blow apart the pro-hate bill Democratic coalition in the Senate!

Why?  It features Attorney General Holder flatly stating that, despite promising to do so, S. 909 will not protect all Americans who are victims of violent hate crime.  It will only protect a privileged minority, including homosexuals, blacks, and Jews.  Secondly, Holder can provide no example of even one state failing to enforce the law against hate criminals.

Courtesy of the U.S. Attorney General, this video knocks the foundation out from under the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act.  It proves S. 909 is both discriminatory against most Americans and unneeded!

Want to defeat the hate bill? Call Senators with this simple question: “Have you watched the shocking video that shows Attorney General Holder saying there is no equal protection under the hate bill?  It’s on the home page at www.truthtellers.org.” Call toll-free 1-877-851-6437 or toll 1-202-225-3121. The names of all Senators are available HERE at www.truthtellers.org.

Calling the Senate with this question is so simple and effective.  When you ask if staffers have seen the video, they will record you as opposed to the hate bill.

With possible markup of the hate bill amendment early next week, it is vital that you make use of this superpowerful, explosive tool God has given us to save freedom.

Next Wednesday may be too late.


                                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9mrenI9EuQ

http://www.prisonplanet.com/holder-hate-speech-video-floods-senate.html


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on July 08, 2009, 07:55:47 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyBaxm2oIHk&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdES2umAf7g&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reCpV1YHuYs&feature=player_embedded

 :)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: zachariah on July 12, 2009, 01:40:58 pm
(http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo343/mychalm1313/recessattheasylum.gif)

lol


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: HereForNow on July 12, 2009, 01:48:19 pm
\M/~     ;)    ~\M/

Listen to Leper Messiah from Metallica and look at this GIF...
LOL


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Zamora on July 12, 2009, 04:22:45 pm
Quote
Now be mindful of the fact that McKinney, also ended up missing.
Why?


Missing?  I just haead an interview with her last night on the radio, how is she supposed to be missing?


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on July 13, 2009, 11:31:29 am
(http://www.nypost.com/seven/07122009/photos/029_obama_tavares.jpg)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on July 14, 2009, 07:40:56 am
(http://www.nypost.com/seven/07122009/photos/029_obama_tavares.jpg)

Now B,

You must say it is one good khm...

Here is she from in front

(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2104/07nov28marisabehindthes.jpg) (http://img168.imageshack.us/i/07nov28marisabehindthes.jpg/)


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on July 14, 2009, 07:52:57 am





There is a place for models' pictures in this forum.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on July 14, 2009, 07:54:44 am
(http://www.nypost.com/seven/07122009/photos/029_obama_tavares.jpg)




                                 (http://digg.com/people/Beauty_Who_Turned_Obama_s_Head_Is_a_Brazilian_from_Rio/t.jpg)





Beauty Who Turned Obama's Head Is a Brazilian from Rio




brazzilmag.com

— The Brazilian representative, the carioca (from Rio de Janeiro) Mayara Tavares, a 16-year-old beauty on its way to meet Brazilian president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva caught the eyes of a discreet Nicolas Sarkozy and a much less discreet Barack Obama, the presidents of France and the United States respectively.






http://www.nypost.com/seven/07122009...me__178798.htm



By ISABEL VINCENT
July 12, 2009
Posted: 3:17 am
July 12, 2009

The Secret Service might want to put a new threat on its watch list: the mad-as-hell mama of the 17-year-old Brazilian beauty ogled by President Obama and French leader Nicolas Sarkozy at the G8 summit last week.

"If I were there, I would have boxed their ears," said Lucia Rodrigues, 37. "They should be ashamed of themselves."

Patriarch Eduardo Tavares, after finally getting around to seeing the famous photo of his daughter from behind, quickly changed his tune from proud papa to furious father.

"My daughter is not a model and she is not a sex symbol," he told The Post. "That photograph has ruined my whole family."

At the Italy summit last week, daughter Mayara Rodrigues Tavares, her long locks flowing over her curvaceous frame, became the momentary focus of the leering leaders as she took her place for an official group photo.

Her father, a night watchman in their home city of Rio de Janeiro has been swamped with interview requests since the photo of his daughter in a little red dress was beamed around the world.

"She is dedicated to helping the poor, not to seducing world leaders," he ranted. "This is the wrong image of my daughter."

Her mom added, "She is really skinny and only ever wears pants. Mayara is timid and ashamed of her body. This was the first time in her life that she wore a dress, and it was borrowed from a friend in the shantytown because she doesn't own one."

The high school sophomore, who hails from one of Rio de Janeiro's slums known as favelas, had been picked by UNICEF to join the counterpart Junior 8 forum of teenagers because she stood out as a community volunteer. She shares a single room with her parents and two younger brothers and can't afford the bus fare to attend a good high school.

"Why are they looking at her like that? This is a girl who is articulate and intelligent and just wants to do the right thing," the father said. "Instead, they are forcing her into a negative light."

Her evangelical Christian parents said she was initially oblivious to the international uproar she inadvertently caused.

"She called us and she was very moved that she had met Obama and Lula [Brazil's president Luis Inacio Lula da Silva]. She didn't say anything about the looks she got," Mr. Tavares said.

And dad found some solace in the episode. "Thank God that [Italian playboy Prime Minister Silvio] Berlusconi was nowhere near her," he said.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on July 14, 2009, 09:41:09 am
(http://l.yimg.com/a/p/us/news/editorial/6/e4/6e4915cff4c0ee1b861d1fc9ea28453b.jpeg?x=426&y=199&xc=1&yc=1&wc=426&hc=199&q=85&sig=sft5._xq7FaU4VtnyMw.ZA--)

SONYA SOTTOMAYOR


This poor lady does not look very healthy, she looks very swollen in all pictures.



OOPPSS......


SHE'S BEEN A DIABETIC SINCE THE AGE OF EIGHT.




(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/27/article-1188169-0519AC1F000005DC-229_468x322.jpg)

GREAT LOOKING FAMILY


                                             (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/27/article-1188169-0519A95C000005DC-412_468x286.jpg)

                                             WITH HER MOTHER IN A RECENT PHOTO


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on July 14, 2009, 09:53:10 am
 ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKsoXHYICqU


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Qoais on July 14, 2009, 10:19:42 am
(http://www.nypost.com/seven/07122009/photos/029_obama_tavares.jpg)

Now B,

You must say it is one good khm...

Here is she from in front

(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2104/07nov28marisabehindthes.jpg) (http://img168.imageshack.us/i/07nov28marisabehindthes.jpg/)


That is NOT the young lady in the original photo - FROM THE FRONT. 


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on July 14, 2009, 10:27:40 am
(http://www.nypost.com/seven/07122009/photos/029_obama_tavares.jpg)









HERE IS THE REAL GIRL!!!




                                 (http://digg.com/people/Beauty_Who_Turned_Obama_s_Head_Is_a_Brazilian_from_Rio/t.jpg)





Beauty Who Turned Obama's Head Is a Brazilian from Rio




brazzilmag.com

— The Brazilian representative, the carioca (from Rio de Janeiro) Mayara Tavares, a 16-year-old beauty on its way to meet Brazilian president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva caught the eyes of a discreet Nicolas Sarkozy and a much less discreet Barack Obama, the presidents of France and the United States respectively.






http://www.nypost.com/seven/07122009...me__178798.htm



By ISABEL VINCENT
July 12, 2009
Posted: 3:17 am
July 12, 2009

The Secret Service might want to put a new threat on its watch list: the mad-as-hell mama of the 17-year-old Brazilian beauty ogled by President Obama and French leader Nicolas Sarkozy at the G8 summit last week.

"If I were there, I would have boxed their ears," said Lucia Rodrigues, 37. "They should be ashamed of themselves."

Patriarch Eduardo Tavares, after finally getting around to seeing the famous photo of his daughter from behind, quickly changed his tune from proud papa to furious father.

"My daughter is not a model and she is not a sex symbol," he told The Post. "That photograph has ruined my whole family."

At the Italy summit last week, daughter Mayara Rodrigues Tavares, her long locks flowing over her curvaceous frame, became the momentary focus of the leering leaders as she took her place for an official group photo.

Her father, a night watchman in their home city of Rio de Janeiro has been swamped with interview requests since the photo of his daughter in a little red dress was beamed around the world.

"She is dedicated to helping the poor, not to seducing world leaders," he ranted. "This is the wrong image of my daughter."

Her mom added, "She is really skinny and only ever wears pants. Mayara is timid and ashamed of her body. This was the first time in her life that she wore a dress, and it was borrowed from a friend in the shantytown because she doesn't own one."

The high school sophomore, who hails from one of Rio de Janeiro's slums known as favelas, had been picked by UNICEF to join the counterpart Junior 8 forum of teenagers because she stood out as a community volunteer. She shares a single room with her parents and two younger brothers and can't afford the bus fare to attend a good high school.

"Why are they looking at her like that? This is a girl who is articulate and intelligent and just wants to do the right thing," the father said. "Instead, they are forcing her into a negative light."

Her evangelical Christian parents said she was initially oblivious to the international uproar she inadvertently caused.

"She called us and she was very moved that she had met Obama and Lula [Brazil's president Luis Inacio Lula da Silva]. She didn't say anything about the looks she got," Mr. Tavares said.

And dad found some solace in the episode. "Thank God that [Italian playboy Prime Minister Silvio] Berlusconi was nowhere near her," he said.


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on July 14, 2009, 11:11:25 am
(http://www.nypost.com/seven/07122009/photos/029_obama_tavares.jpg)

Now B,

You must say it is one good khm...

Here is she from in front

(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2104/07nov28marisabehindthes.jpg) (http://img168.imageshack.us/i/07nov28marisabehindthes.jpg/)


That is NOT the young lady in the original photo - FROM THE FRONT. 

Of course it is NOT the young lady - From the front. LMAO!


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on July 14, 2009, 11:15:51 am
She is one of the Obama girls.  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIiMa2Fe-ZQ&feature=related


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Bianca on July 14, 2009, 11:27:38 am






OH, PLEASE -

WE HAD ENOUGH OF THAT DURING THE PRIMARIES!



THE MAN SET THE WOMEN'S MOVEMENT BACK AT LEAST  4O  YEARS -  ALL INTENTIONAL


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: zachariah on July 14, 2009, 11:29:27 am
(http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo343/mychalm1313/recessattheasylum.gif)

lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfZaI1o11LI


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on July 14, 2009, 11:43:49 am
 8)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yex1yyySpyM&feature=related


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: Harconen on July 14, 2009, 11:46:03 am
It is 18:45h at my time.HFN, see this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhjvpGt4r44&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo%2Egoogle%2Ecom%2Fvideosearch%3Fq%3DKid%2BRock%2B%2D%2BAll%2BSummer%2BLong%26hl%3Den%26emb%3D0&feature=player_embedded


Title: Re: WOW, JUST WOW...........
Post by: david12 on June 08, 2018, 03:28:12 pm
Unbelievable :o
looking forward for more on this topic