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Title: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on February 09, 2009, 10:02:21 pm
The Ancient War of the Gods!

In just about every culture and mythology we can find mention of this ancient war of the Gods.   In Greek myth, the Olympians and the Titans, in Hindu and Buddhist myth the Asura and the Devas, in Indo-Iranian theyíre known as the Ahuras and Daevas.
On every continent we find basically the same legend, opposing factions of Gods or beings who seemed like Gods fighting each other for supremacy and rule over earth.

I believe that these stories are grounded in fact and are based on an actual war that took place on earth thousands of years ago, a war that ended in catastrophe, a catastrophe that almost lead to the extinction of humanity.
This is the same war that Plato mentions in the Timaeus, and even though the Athenians succeeded in pushing the Atlanteans back they were still destroyed not long after by a deluge, a deluge that Iím am beginning to believe was somehow manmade.
Proof of this I believe can be found in the ancient textís and legends from around the world.   Remember! In all the legends of the great flood, it was God or the Gods who caused it to happen, if in fact these Gods werenít really Gods but advanced humans then somehow they almost caused the extinction of the human race.

In my following posts I will provide what research I have compiled on this subject, and hopefully make a firm foundation on which to build my argument.
Once again I welcome comments and ideas, and if there is already a thread on this somewhere else I apologize in advance.  :)

Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on February 09, 2009, 10:07:44 pm
I have based much of my theories and research in this area on an article entitled Pre-Platonic Writings Pertinent to Atlantis by R. Cedric Leonard.   I donít know if the article has been posted here or not, it is rather long so I wonít post it, however if any are interested in reading it hereís the link for it.  www.atlantisquest.com/Writings.html

Now before I begin I would like to provide a chart of  these two opposing groups, this chart lists the different names for the groups and from where their legend comes from.



Those Involved in the Ancient War

Group 1                Group2            From   
Atlantis                Athens            Plato   
Titans                  Olympian         Greek   
Asuras                  Devas            Hindu   
Asuras                  Sakra            Buddhist    
Ahuras                  Daevas         Indo-Iranian   
Osiris (AKA Asar)    Set               Egypt   These were individuals
Aesir                    Vanir              Norse   



If you find other groups that need to be added to the list, or find that Iíve made an error be sure to let me know.

Thanks
Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on February 09, 2009, 10:13:55 pm
My chart sure looked a lot nicer on Microsoft works :'(   Oh well this will have to do ;D


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on February 09, 2009, 10:18:32 pm
Now I would like to start by briefly going over each legend  and make a comparison between them.   First Iíll start with Platoís account of the war between Atlantis and Athens, which is found in the Timaeus.

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This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent. Now in this island of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire which had rule over the whole island and several others, and over parts of the continent, and, furthermore, the men of Atlantis had subjected the parts of Libya within the columns of Heracles as far as Egypt, and of Europe as far as Tyrrhenia. This vast power, gathered into one, endeavoured to subdue at a blow our country and yours and the whole of the region within the straits; and then, Solon, your country shone forth, in the excellence of her virtue and strength, among all mankind. She was pre-eminent in courage and military skill, and was the leader of the Hellenes. And when the rest fell off from her, being compelled to stand alone, after having undergone the very extremity of danger, she defeated and triumphed over the invaders, and preserved from slavery those who were not yet subjugated, and generously liberated all the rest of us who dwell within the pillars. But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea. For which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the island.


Everyone here has probably read this a thousand times but it is Pertinent to this discussion.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on February 09, 2009, 10:22:17 pm
Next is the account of the Titans and Olympians, which is found in Hesiodís Theogony.

Then Zeus no longer held back his might; but straight his heart was filled with fury and he showed forth all his strength. From Heaven and from Olympus  he came immediately, hurling his lightning: the bolts flew thick and fast from his strong hand together with thunder and lightning, whirling an awesome flame. The life-giving earth crashed around in burning, and the vast wood crackled loud with fire all about.  All the land seethed, and Ocean's streams and the unfruitful sea. The hot vapor lapped round the earthborn Titans: flame unspeakable rose to the bright upper air: the flashing glare of the thunderstone and lightning blinded their eyes for all that they were strong.  Astounding heat seized Chaos: and to see with eyes and to hear the sound with ears it seemed even as if Earth and wide Heaven above came together; for such a mighty crash would have arisen if Earth were being hurled to ruin, and Heaven from on high were hurling her down;  so great a crash was there while the gods were meeting together in strife. Also the winds brought rumbling earthquake and duststorm, thunder and lightning and the lurid thunderbolt, which are the shafts of great Zeus, and carried the clangor and the war cry into the midst of the two hosts. A horrible uproar  of terrible strife arose: mighty deeds were shown and the battle inclined. But until then, they kept at one another and fought continually in cruel war. And amongst the foremost Cottus and Briareos and Gyes insatiate for war  raised fierce fighting: three hundred rocks, one upon another, they launched from their strong hands and overshadowed the Titans with their missiles, and hurled them beneath the wide-pathed earth, and bound them in bitter chains when they had conquered them by their strength for all their great spirit, as far beneath the earth as heaven is above earth; for so far is it from earth to Tartarus.
 

As I read this I was reminded of another legend from the Miao people, it's also one of the great flood legends.

From the Miao People

Who came to the bad disposition,
To send fire and burn the hill?
Who came to the bad disposition,
To send water and destroy the earth?
I who sing don't know.
Zie did. Zie was of bad disposition,
Zie sent fire and burned the hill;
Thunder did. Thunder was of bad disposition,
Thunder sent water and destroyed the earth.
Why don't you know?


This last legend in a way connects the Timaeus and the Theogony (Even though I think it's chinese ???)



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on February 09, 2009, 11:04:26 pm
The next legend is taken from the Mahabharata, but first I would like to quote an article from Nexus magazine entitled The Evidence for Ancient Atomic Warfare.

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The ancient Indian epics describe a series of
horrific wars - wars which could have been fought between
ancient India and Atlantis, or perhaps a third party in the
Gobi region of western China. The Mahabharata and the
Drona Parva speak of the war and of the weapons used: great
fireballs that could destroy a whole city; "Kapila's
Glance", which could burn 50,000 men to ashes in seconds;
and flying spears that could ruin whole "cities full of
forts".

This seems to be the same story yet again.

Now for the actual account.

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"Gurkha, flying a swift and powerful vimana ( hurled a single projectile charged with the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame, as bright as ten thousand suns, rose with all its splendor. It was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas. The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. Hair and nails fell out; Pottery broke without apparent cause, and the birds turned white. ...After a few hours all foodstuffs were infected... ...to escape from this fire the soldiers threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their equipment."


The Ramayana also speaks of this, but I seem to have misplaced that article so Iíll have to post it later.

What Iím trying to get at is the fact that this ancient war is mentioned all over the globe, in ancient myths and legends.   This leads me to believe that there has to be something to it, even though the stories are slightly different and molded around mystical and cultural beliefs, the event is real, there was a war that was catastrophic, there seems to be no doubt about that. 



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Volkaitis on February 10, 2009, 12:30:54 am
Nice work.  Yes, there are many tales for an ancient war fought all over the globe, but I believe the technology in Plato's account is far behind that described as the weapons of war in the Mahabharata and the Ramayana. Plato decribes Bronze Age weaponry while I believe the Indian epics speak of an ancient nuclear war.  Any explanation for this?


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on February 10, 2009, 02:58:07 am
I can think of a couple possible explanations and they both deal with when the accounts were written, The Mahabharata and Ramayana are far older than the Timaeus and Critias and were written perhaps shortly after the event took place. (The Mahabharata was written in the 6th millennium, and some new findings say that itís even older than that)
  If Platoís account is accurate then it itself says that it was written over 9000 years after the events took place. (Timaeus and Critias where written around 360 BC)
I would guess that when Plato told the story he was using terms and technology of his own time, hence the swords and shields.   Similarly Hesiod used magical and mystical terms to describe the war between the Titans and Olympians, like Zeusís thunderbolts.
Also over long periods of time details do disappear, However the underlying story will survive if itís memorable enough. I believe that is indeed what has happened here.

Wind



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Mario Dantas on February 10, 2009, 05:51:56 am


Weren't the gods the elements? it seems like a "war" of numerous natural causes to me. interesting how they all seem to really speak of the same events...


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on February 10, 2009, 03:18:38 pm
You are right Mario,  Empedocles did describe the elements as being Gods, but that was mainly because of what each element represented.   Iíll use Zeus for an example again, Zeus used thunder bolts, Empedocles associates this with the element fire. Today Iíd associate a missile with the element fire.

The following quote is taken from an article entitled The Ancient Greek Esoteric Doctrine of the Elements by John Opsopaus.   The article in its entirety can be found at. www.cs.utk.edu/~Mclennan/BA/AGEDE/Intro.html (Another good read by the way.)


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From the standpoint of Jung's psychology, the Elements (like the Gods) are archetypes; because they are structures in the collective unconscious, they are universal (present in all people). As archetypes, they are beyond complete analysis; they can be "circumscribed but not described"; ultimately they must be experienced to be understood

The Gods and elements here are described as archetypes theyíre modeled after something. (Dictionary definition of archetype. a typical, ideal, or classic example of something.) John Opsopaus uses this quote to explain how Empedocles viewed the elements.

From what Iím gathering Empedocles was using the Gods and their abilities to describe the elements, in fact from the above article it sounds like he was an Alchemist.  Modern Wiccans and Pagans do the same thing, they attribute certain elements to their Gods and Goddesses. I bet that what Empedocles meant, was that each specific element came from a specific God. (They did believe in the mystical at that time!)

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it seems like a "war" of numerous natural causes to me

I would agree with you on this Mario if it hadnít been for the Mahabharata account, where it describes what could only be the effects of a nuclear explosion. The same is true with the Ramayana account.

Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Horus on February 10, 2009, 05:40:45 pm
I believe that these stories are grounded in fact and are based on an actual war that took place on earth thousands of years ago, a war that ended in catastrophe, a catastrophe that almost lead to the extinction of humanity.
This is the same war that Plato mentions in the Timaeus, and even though the Athenians succeeded in pushing the Atlanteans back they were still destroyed not long after by a deluge, a deluge that Iím am beginning to believe was somehow manmade.

Hello Wind,

An interesting thread you have going but I'm going to have to disagree with the idea that a war caused the cataclysm that befell the earth 12,000 years ago.

It was either the geophysical violence of a natural, axial poleshift and the subsequent melting of the polar icecaps in their new positions, or simply the fallout from rapid deglaciation and rising sea levels during the Younger Dryas which triggered an extraordinary amount of volcanism then.

 The current trend of  "global warming" which some people think is from man-made pollution is actually part of larger cosmic cycle because scientists have determined that the entire heliosphere is heating up! Are humans responsible for the global warming affecting the rest of the planets in the solar system too? Nooo! Mother Nature is fully capable of bringing down devastation upon humanity without any help. Perhaps this is why it was deified in most cultures and perhaps that is what the "war of the gods" is really about!

By the way, I believe that the war in Egypt was between Set and Horus (Heru) the Avenger who was avenging the death of his father Osiris betrayed and murdered by Uncle Set. 
~H


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on February 10, 2009, 08:28:27 pm
I appreciate your opinion and insight Horus, Iím not here to force my view upon anyone, ( I donít believe that you were insinuating that, because I believe you to be a good person. :))   Iím simply sharing my research, and Iíve got a lot more to share. :o    I can assure you that I will not completely discard your research either, I will consider it.

Thank you
Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on February 10, 2009, 08:59:39 pm
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By the way, I believe that the war in Egypt was between Set and Horus (Heru) the Avenger who was avenging the death of his father Osiris betrayed and murdered by Uncle Set.

I stand Corrected Horus youíre right on this one. The following is taken from the Legend of Osiris.

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Without Osiris, Set believed he would sit on the throne of the gods for all time. Yet on his island, Horus, the son of Osiris and Isis, grew to manhood and strength. Set sent many serpents and demons to kill Horus, but he defeated them. When he was ready, his mother Isis gave him great magic to use against Set, and Thoth gave him a magic knife.
Horus sought out Set and challenged him for the throne. Set and Horus fought for many days, but in the end Horus defeated Set and castrated him. But Horus, merciful Horus, would not kill Set, for to spill the blood of his uncle would make him no better than he. Set maintained his claim to the throne, and Horus lay claim himself as the son of Osiris. The gods began to fight amongst another, those who supported Horus and those who supported Set. Banebdjetet leaped into the middle and demanded that the gods end this struggle peacefully or Maat would be imbalanced further. He told the gods to seek the council of Neith. Neith, warlike though wise in council, told them that Horus was the rightful heir to the throne. Horus cast Set into the darkness where he lives to this day.
 

Now that Iíve read this again I believe that I was quoting the wrong Egyptian legend, it wasnít the war between Horus and Set that I was thinking of, It was the war between Re and Mankind mentioned in the Book of the Heavenly Cow.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on February 10, 2009, 09:04:04 pm




Wind:



                                               EVIDENCE OF ATOMIC WARFARE





From Post #3:


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,1760.0.html



ANCIENT FLYING MACHINE SECTION (Vimanas)


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/board,173.0.html


The Mahabharata and the Ramayana are here too:

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/board,207.0.html


I strongly lean on an atomic war/accident causing the demise of Atlantis......


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on February 10, 2009, 09:05:48 pm
The following is taken from the Book of the Heavenly (Or Celestial) Cow and can be found in itís entirety at www.touregypt.net/featurestories/celestrialcow.htm


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When mankind's rebellion took place, the sun god first consulted with the primeval deities, including Shu, Tefnut and Geb but particularly the goddess Nun and Hathor in the Great House in Heliopolis. These gods were to come to Re in secrecy, as not to alert mankind about their meeting. Re then addressing Nu, the father of the first-born gods, told him to give heed to what men were doing, for they whom he had created were murmuring against him. And he said " Tell me what you would do. Consider the matter, invent a plan for me, and I will not slay them until I have heard what you shall say concerning this thing." Nu replied, " You O my son Ra, are greater than the god who made You (i.e. Nu himself), you are the king of those who were created with you, your throne is established, and the fear of you is great, Let shine Eye (Hathor) attack those who blaspheme you. " And Re said, " Lo, they have fled to the mountains for their hearts are afraid because of what they have said." The gods replied, " Let shine Eye go forth and destroy those who blasphemed you, for no eye can resist shine when it goes forth in the form of Hathor."
Afterwards, Hathor was sent to inflict her punishment. For three nights the goddess Hathor-Sekhmet waded about in the blood of men, the slaughter beginning at Hensu (Herakleopolis Magna).. But the sun god took pity on those humans who were left. He saved  them by causing Hathor to become drunk on blood red beer.
Afterwards, the sun god, Re, withdrew to the sky on the back of the celestial cow who is the Goddess Nut transformed.


There Thatís better, I guess I should change my chart, or cross out the other and add to it. ;D




Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on February 10, 2009, 09:19:37 pm
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http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,1760.0.html

That is a great article from Nexus magazine Bianca, :)  I found that one a while back, I think I might even have it printed up somewhere.

To those who havenít read this article yet, I highly recommend it.  It fits in perfectly with this thread and provides evidence that this ancient war did in fact happen, and that it wasn't caused by a natural disaster.
I'm not writing off the natural disaster theory completely! In fact I have reason to believe that whatever means that were used to end the war started a chain reaction that caused these natural disasters.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on February 10, 2009, 09:26:23 pm



OOPS....the page turned over, Wind.

I got more:


ANCIENT FLYING MACHINE SECTION (Vimanas)


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/board,173.0.html


The Mahabharata

and lots of ancient Indian info in the early pages (5,4,3...)


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,1987.0.html


I strongly lean on an atomic war/accident causing the demise of Atlantis......

That's why you'll find so much of it here, including a thorough investigation of tektites/desert glass.





Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on February 10, 2009, 10:53:36 pm
That is all excellent information Bianca thank you for the links. ;)  (Again this is highly recommended reading.)




Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on February 14, 2009, 08:59:54 pm
Iíll have to continue with this subject at a later time.   I think Iím suffering from burnout, or perhaps itís something else I don't know, but I feel that I need to take a break from the forum for a while.
Iíll see you all when I get back.

Till then take care. :)

Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on February 14, 2009, 09:21:05 pm





Soon, I hope, Wind!!!


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on March 18, 2009, 02:31:52 pm
Dear..................mr...WIND

If you feel a " Burnout " it is probably from lack of drinking Fluid.
My house remedy is easy to get: drink lots of hot Coffe
or if that is inconvenient for You,

You can also consume Fruitjuice if that is too expensive:
Drink lots of SODA- POP even if you do not like that usually.
SINAS/ Orange SODA - POP is the best nest to APPLE-Juice or Apple Cider

Unfortunately my Father used CALVADOS or Liqour to quence his thirst
and died after SIX neglected Heart-arrests alone at his house the ambulance came too late in 1992.

It is the Same Occurence:
The War of the GODS
or RE sending his "  EYE " called Re- MAATRE( which is the MOON later called SETH(=/SATAN !)

and the Battle of SETH and HORUS
or the MOON bouncing off the Planet HERmes/=Mercury.

The Hindu " CHURNING of the MILKSEA "
is again the Same Event of HERACLES
biting Hera's nipple to speed around the Celestial " MILK "

and of VISHNU and the SNAKE and Tortoise Turning the Milkyway
the GODS( Daita's and Rashakasa sor something( I forget.)
did not do battle here but raked the Snakebody around the Earthy-Axis-pole.
creating the 8 Avatars of Vishnu(= Planet Venus.)

Sincerely" BlueHue  " dd 18- March -2009

Now Remember: use lots of SODA- POP ! :D
and sleep 8 hours a day say from One to Eight o'Clock !


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By the way, I believe that the war in Egypt was between Set and Horus (Heru) the Avenger who was avenging the death of his father Osiris betrayed and murdered by Uncle Set.

I stand Corrected Horus youíre right on this one. The following is taken from the Legend of Osiris.

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Without Osiris, Set believed he would sit on the throne of the gods for all time. Yet on his island, Horus, the son of Osiris and Isis, grew to manhood and strength. Set sent many serpents and demons to kill Horus, but he defeated them. When he was ready, his mother Isis gave him great magic to use against Set, and Thoth gave him a magic knife.
Horus sought out Set and challenged him for the throne. Set and Horus fought for many days, but in the end Horus defeated Set and castrated him. But Horus, merciful Horus, would not kill Set, for to spill the blood of his uncle would make him no better than he. Set maintained his claim to the throne, and Horus lay claim himself as the son of Osiris. The gods began to fight amongst another, those who supported Horus and those who supported Set. Banebdjetet leaped into the middle and demanded that the gods end this struggle peacefully or Maat would be imbalanced further. He told the gods to seek the council of Neith. Neith, warlike though wise in council, told them that Horus was the rightful heir to the throne. Horus cast Set into the darkness where he lives to this day.
 

Now that Iíve read this again I believe that I was quoting the wrong Egyptian legend, it wasnít the war between Horus and Set that I was thinking of, It was the war between Re and Mankind mentioned in the Book of the Heavenly Cow.



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on March 29, 2009, 07:14:36 pm
Blue Hue I meant mental burnout not physical, and I donít think that a sugar high from soda pop would help any other forms of burnout, yet I do thank you for your concern!

One more thing Blue I have no problem with you sending me private messages but when I get you arguing with someone else in my mail it doesnít make me happy. Talk to me directly please I donít want to get involved with your arguments.

Thank you
Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on March 29, 2009, 08:39:58 pm
I have spent the past month thinking about things, and the Ancient war of the Gods has been one of them.   As I have stated in earlier posts there are a lot of legends that suggest that such a war did in fact happen.   Some organizations would like to downplay it and say that it was metaphoric or rival primitive civilizations fighting one another.

   After much research I have found that this war is not to be downplayed in any way shape or form.   As Bianca has brought out, thereís a lot more evidence out there than just legends.

   Something big happened on our planet around twelve thousand years ago, and over the next few weeks Iím going to be posting some of the more interesting research that Iíve come across.

   It is good to be back though, it feels like Iíve been gone for a lot longer than a month.   I did need the break however and I feel much clearer now.   Iíll try not to push my brain to overload this time LOL.

Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on March 31, 2009, 09:42:25 pm
The Giants Of old, were they a myth ,Or were they real?

There were Giants on the earth in those days. Gen 6:4.

I donít believe in those who idolize the bible, and force their beliefs upon others, but I do believe that truth can be found anywhere, and the bible is one of these places.

The giants of old play a very important role in the war of the Gods. I believe that they were in fact the Greek Titans, the Nephilim of the bible and Iím even going to go so far as to say that they were also the Sumerian Anunnaki.  There are many cultures with legends that spoke of their gods as being giants.
The question is did these giants really exist? can we prove that they did?   I believe we can!
 
The following link will take you to an article entitled the Holocaust of the Giants, Itís a long read but one that I recommend. 

www.xpeditionsmagazine.com/magazine/articles/giants/holocaust.html


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on March 31, 2009, 09:57:03 pm
The Holocaust of the Giants hits close to home for me.   My great uncle actually saw one of these giant skeletons being transported by train in or around the 1940s (Iím sorry but I canít remember the exact date)   anyway it was around world war 2 and he was in the military when he saw it, I think that he was stationed somewhere in Utah or new Mexico. Iíd ask him for details but he passed away some years back.   


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Volkaitis on March 31, 2009, 11:53:01 pm
The Giants Of old, were they a myth ,Or were they real?

There were Giants on the earth in those days. Gen 6:4.

I don’t believe in those who idolize the bible, and force their beliefs upon others, but I do believe that truth can be found anywhere, and the bible is one of these places.

The giants of old play a very important role in the war of the Gods. I believe that they were in fact the Greek Titans, the Nephilim of the bible and I’m even going to go so far as to say that they were also the Sumerian Anunnaki.  There are many cultures with legends that spoke of their gods as being giants.
The question is did these giants really exist? can we prove that they did?   I believe we can!
 
The following link will take you to an article entitled the Holocaust of the Giants, It’s a long read but one that I recommend. 

www.xpeditionsmagazine.com/magazine/articles/giants/holocaust.html

I've read the Holocaust of Giants article, it is a good read, but I think we should discuss just how big that the giants were supposed to be.  If I remember correctly, biggest giants listed in the article are nine to ten feet.

The Bible actually lists the early giants as much bigger:

Numbers 13:33 "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight."

I forget the reference, perhaps it was the Dead Sea Scrolls, but I believe it actually lists them as hundreds of feet tall, not dozens.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Volkaitis on March 31, 2009, 11:55:48 pm
What the Bible says about Giants
Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men.

Numbers 13:33
And there we saw the giants ... And we were in our own sight as grasshopper, and so we were in their sight.

Deuteronomy 2:10-11
The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; Which also were accounted giants.

Deuteronomy 2:20-21
That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time.... A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them.

Deuteronomy 3:11
For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was ... nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it.

Joshua 12:4
And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants.

Joshua 18:16
The valley of the son of Hinnom, and which is in the valley of the giants.

1 Samuel 17:4
Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/giants.html


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 01, 2009, 02:12:43 am
First of all Volkaitis I would like to say thank you for the information, I found it both interesting and useful as he helped me to connect a few dots.
 
As to the size of those bible giants Iíd say that itís pretty close.   As you know a cubit is about 1Ĺ ft and a span is 9 inches, so in 1 Samuel 17:4  Goliath was 9 ft  9 inches tall.
   
   In Deuteronomy 3:11 itís speaking of King Ogís bedstead. At first I thought that it was probably a mattress but the translation of bedstead is simply the place where you sleep. So I was kind of right.   If you think about it though in modern times our beds are normally longer than we are, so if king Og was about ten ft tall it would make sense for him to have a bed that was 13 Ĺ foot long

One thing that I found very interesting though was in Numbers 13:33.

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
 
The key phrase here is the sons of Anak,   Anak is the Hebrew equivalent of the Sumerian God Enki, and the sons of a God would of course view us little humans as inferior and lesser, like an insect or grasshopper.   Of course there is a more disturbing possibility, the people of Mesopotamia did eat grasshoppers for food.   Iím going to go with the less disturbing explanation for now however!

Again I would like to thank you Volkaitis this was very good information.   If you do happen to find that reference where its lists them as being much taller please let me know

Thanks
Wind 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 01, 2009, 02:31:39 pm
In the early solar system, many more bodies of rock and other things were were in the the skies above.
An idea I have about this war of the Gods involves chaos in the rotations of planets brought about by a renegade orbit of something else. This leads to different objects being moved from where they are today and the destruction of other things in the heavens.

Ancient man saw things very differently then we do and would have seen these events unfold and associated them to things they could relate to. The wheel of Ezekiel for example. Many of us would argue that it sounds alot like a UFO. Yet John of Patmos gives exactly the same discription of this Wheel as he explains the vision of God's thrown. What was it really?

As for the nephilim and men of renownd.
If everything we have studied up to this has any point to be made.
It's that the Sumerians are the earliest known account within the middle eastern regions and they tells us that these Gods are not of this planet. Secondly Earth changing events of global scale have usually happened within a 3,600 year cycle.




Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 01, 2009, 04:07:35 pm
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Earth changing events of global scale have usually happened within a 3,600 year cycle.

Iím guessing that you are referring to the 3,600 year orbit of the planet Nibiru, which is believed to be responsible for causing great cataclysmic upheavals on earth in the past.

This of course is the theory of Zechariah Sitchin.   I personally believe that Sitchin has the basics down, but is telling the story from a primitive viewpoint.   Michael Tsarion on the other hand is digging a little deeper into the story.  His theories are quite interesting, and are shedding some much needed light on our dark past.

I believe that what weíre starting to get into here is that these ancient gods were not from earth, and were  quite possibly alien,
Am I right?   If so I have no problem discussing it, however the skeptics are going to have a field day with it.

But like you HereForNow I also believe that this is where the research is leading us, and as of yet it is a very touchy subject to get into. 

Wind
 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on April 01, 2009, 04:54:05 pm
All " GIANTS " in the Bible or " DRAGONS " everywhere were originally ( White)Holi Elephants that became taboed.

What the Bible says about Giants
Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men.

Numbers 13:33
And there we saw the giants ... And we were in our own sight as grasshopper, and so we were in their sight.

Deuteronomy 2:10-11
The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; Which also were accounted giants.

Deuteronomy 2:20-21
That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time.... A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them.

Deuteronomy 3:11
For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was ... nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it.

Joshua 12:4
And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants.

Joshua 18:16
The valley of the son of Hinnom, and which is in the valley of the giants.

1 Samuel 17:4
Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/giants.html


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 01, 2009, 05:24:49 pm
Zechariah Sitchin, is not the only source of Niburu.

However for the sake of staying on topic. You are correct. I do beleive that the "Gods", were indeed from somewhere else besides Earth and that we have encountered more then one race of beings.
Clearly there is a kind of political order within these beings as well.

Which tells us that , yes even the Angels seem to fit the description of what we know as extraterrestial life forms. I'm going to stick to my guns on this. As for a war of Gods, perhaps these events can be explained by looking closely at the chronology of different astrological events. Things like comet fragments impacting the areas of the Atlantic ocean of the coast of the Carolina's for example. Then see if there is a pattern to the times that these cosmic events happen in our heavens and Earth, and You see a clear pattern emerge.

Now in regaurds to the coming age, my eyes will be looking south after may 15 of this year and early into next year to add to the validity of recent discoveries. I'm hoping that I'm wrong...............
In fact I'm praying that I am.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 01, 2009, 07:27:16 pm
Sorry I didnít mean to offend, :)  I just mentioned Sitchen because when most people think of Nibiru they automatically associate it with him.   There is of course Jason Martell who has done wonderful work on the subject, and also Lloyd Pyeís Dark Star.


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Now in regaurds to the coming age, my eyes will be looking south after may 15 of this year and early into next year to add to the validity of recent discoveries. I'm hoping that I'm wrong...............
In fact I'm praying that I am.

   I understand what you mean, I watched the video that you posted on the may 15th date earlier today, it was quite interesting.   As for me Iíll be watching as well, I do find myself somewhat skeptical these days, I was part of that group back in 2003 that believed that Nibiru was going to appear in august of that year, I was so sure of it that the night before I came awfully close to having a nervous breakdown.   I didnít stop believing though, thereís just too much evidence that it exists.

Call it coincidence but I have noticed that quite a few of the threads here at A.O have been going this direction, I think that the fear that people once had of this subject is finally starting to melt away.   Itís going to be interesting to see what unfolds over the next few years, one way or another somethingís gonna happen everyone can feel it.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 01, 2009, 07:32:35 pm
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All " GIANTS " in the Bible or " DRAGONS " everywhere were originally ( White)Holi Elephants that became taboed.

Blue hue, Honestly I donít know what to say.   I will say this though, out of everyone that Iíve come across in my internet travels you never cease to surprise me.  :)

Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 01, 2009, 09:32:57 pm
I want to back track for a moment here.  Now we have found evidence that suggests that there was a race of giants living here on the earth at one time, which was somehow destroyed   Destroyed yes, but not by a flood or a natural disaster.   How do I know this? Because according the article holocaust of the giants they were buried in mounds.   
   
   Now when I say mounds I donít mean that they were piled up and dirt was thrown on top of them, No some of these mounds were elaborately constructed with wooded frames, they were tombs, and I believe that the natives to this day still view these mounds as sacred ground.
This suggests to be that these giants werenít the evil beings that we have been lead to believe they were, at least not the ones who were killed off.

So how does this rule out flood and natural disaster?   If there was a flood then the bodies would have been washed away, and if it was a natural disaster then the bodies would have showed some evidence this.

Here's my theory, Plague! Perhaps even an engineered plague.

Even with our own species there is good and evil. How would we like it if someone lumped us all together and claimed that we were all an evil race?   I believe the same can be said about the Anunnaki, some were good and some were evil

This is were my War of the Gods comes from.   Their were those of the Anunnaki who wanted to enslave and lord over the new human race, and there were those who wanted to help free us and teach us to advance.   This I believe eventually lead to a civil war.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 01, 2009, 10:17:31 pm
This didnít take just a few years, I believe the humans lived side by side with the Annunaki for thousands of years before this happened, This Michael Tsarion also suggests when he speaks of the first creation rebelling and going off on their own to build Lemuria.   I believe that they had help from Enki and his followers, and that in Lemuria they lived together as equals.
You can be sure that Enlil didnít like this, in his view humans were lowly slaves, something dirty and impure. 

According to the , Enuma Elish Marduk (AKA Enlil)  divides the Anunnaki and assigns them to their proper stations, three hundred in heaven, three hundred on the earth.

Notice that he assigned them to their proper stations, (If you lie down with dogs you get up with flees? Just a thought!)

The Enuma Elish goís on to say that in gratitude, the Anunnaki, the "Great Gods", built Esagila, the splendid: "They raised high the head of Esagila equaling Apsu. Having built a stage-tower as high as Apsu, they set up in it an abode for Marduk, Enlil, Ea."

I take this to mean that the Anunnaki were divided and a habitat was built for Enlil and his followers in orbit.   (Iím going to be talking about this habitat more in future posts)

I believe at this point the stage was being set to punish those Anunnaki who had yoked themselves so to speak with the humans.

The bible says that the Nephilim came down and took wives but it doesnít say what happened to them.   That is left to the imagination, and most believe that they were destroyed in the flood.



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 01, 2009, 10:56:32 pm
Iíve looked at this story and the facts from all angles, and this is the most logical conclusion that I could come up with.   Something killed off the giants who Iím going to say were the Anunnaki followers of Enki, they were here on earth and Enlil and his followers were safe in heaven or orbit.   To punish those disobedient Anunnaki Enlil sent a genetically engineered disease to earth and wiped most of them out, thus the holocaust.

Whatever happened, we humans were immune to its affects. This all may sound crazy but it would explain why we havenít seen any giants since then.   

   For those of you who are ufologist it would also explain why every alien that has been recovered has not survived very long here, and could also explain why we humans have been abducted and experimented on, theyíre trying to figure out why we were immune, they could be trying to make themselves immune so that they can come back. Or maybe theyíve already succeeded.   I don't know about you but I havenít heard of many abductions happening lately!

These are just theories but it does make sense and would explain a few things.

Now I know that a lot of you may be thinking that Wind has lost it, but I will be providing some evidence and legends that back some of this up. So please be patient.     


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 02, 2009, 09:58:27 am
Sorry I didn’t mean to offend, :)  I just mentioned Sitchen because when most people think of Nibiru they automatically associate it with him.   There is of course Jason Martell who has done wonderful work on the subject, and also Lloyd Pye’s Dark Star.


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Now in regaurds to the coming age, my eyes will be looking south after may 15 of this year and early into next year to add to the validity of recent discoveries. I'm hoping that I'm wrong...............
In fact I'm praying that I am.

   I understand what you mean, I watched the video that you posted on the may 15th date earlier today, it was quite interesting.   As for me I’ll be watching as well, I do find myself somewhat skeptical these days, I was part of that group back in 2003 that believed that Nibiru was going to appear in august of that year, I was so sure of it that the night before I came awfully close to having a nervous breakdown.   I didn’t stop believing though, there’s just too much evidence that it exists.

Call it coincidence but I have noticed that quite a few of the threads here at A.O have been going this direction, I think that the fear that people once had of this subject is finally starting to melt away.   It’s going to be interesting to see what unfolds over the next few years, one way or another something’s gonna happen everyone can feel it.


No offence taken man..... :)
I agree it is going to be something else to see where it all is going.
I just hope that better then 2/3 of all living things makes it through all of this.

Life gives purpose to the universe.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 02, 2009, 05:12:49 pm
The following was taken from (The Treasures of Darkness" by Thorkild Jacobsen, Yale University. Press, 1967).

After 1,200 years the noise of the growing human population kept ENLIL awake nights. So ENLIL and the gods sent a plague which was ended when ENKI told the human Atrahasis to shift all offerings to the god of the plague, NAMTAR who became to abashed to harm the people further.

The late Thorkild Jacobsen was a renowned historian specializing in Assyriology and Sumerian literature



The following was taken from the article What the Aliens Really Want... and How They Plan to Get It
by David M. Jacobs, Ph.D.

The aliens have brought to Earth a highly efficient program of human physiological exploitation. The breeding and hybridization programs have intruded upon our world and taken control of abductees' lives. The aliens have explained to the abductees that these programs are needed to "salvage" the future. They have focused their communication with the abductees on the need to save the environment, on the need to prevent or at least cope with mass destruction, and on the benefits of The Change, which is the way some of them refer to the culminating event in their plans for the future. But just who will benefit from The Change?

For the full article hereís a link

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/abduct017.html

I  checked out this Dr Jacobs and found that he is a Professor of History at Temple University in Philadelphia.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 02, 2009, 06:00:11 pm
So what does this have to do with Atlantis,   Everything!   Michael Tsarion believes that Atlantis was where the Anunnaki created mankind, and performed all sorts of other genetic experimentation,  it was their home base of operations.   This however Iím not so sure of.

Atlantis has been deeply imbedded into the collective consciousness of mankind, Iím sure I speak for most people here when I say that Atlantis is almost an obsession,   In my mind it represents something wonderful amazing, a utopian society a paradise on earth that was lost.    Atlantis is like an incurable addiction that we canít get enough of, itís constantly calling.

We wouldnít be trying to get back to a place where we were slaves, a place were we were used and treated as nothing.   Atlantis was not evil.

I have no doubt though that there was a place where the Anunnaki dwelt, but this place was not Atlantis!

So where was this Anunnaki base of operations located, well it took me some time but I believe that I have found it, Greenland!

I will explain what I mean by this in future posts.

Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 02, 2009, 07:06:24 pm
Wind I will not comment on this for the sake of hearing it from you. However, I know exactly where you are going on this and Mario Dante might be able to back you on this even more.

Wow we should be working together LOL.
Anyhow, don't leave me hangin on this, I'm smiling right now as we speak and the picture is huge on this.
It's almost to much to explain, yet easy to see.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 02, 2009, 07:24:06 pm
To see if we are on the same page.....
By the tenth generation, Adam's race had hugely increased. Lacking female company, the angels known as "Sons of God" found wives among the lovely Daughters of Men. The children of their unions would have inherited eternal life from their father, but that God had decreed: "Let not My spirit abide in flesh forever! Henceforth the years of man are limited to one hundred and twenty."

 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 02, 2009, 09:50:20 pm
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By the tenth generation, Adam's race had hugely increased. Lacking female company, the angels known as "Sons of God" found wives among the lovely Daughters of Men. The children of their unions would have inherited eternal life from their father, but that God had decreed: "Let not My spirit abide in flesh forever! Henceforth the years of man are limited to one hundred and twenty."

When I think about this a couple things come to mind, one of course is genetic engineering.   According to anthropological studies the prehistoric man suddenly disappears from the scene about 35,000 years ago  and is replaced by what we know as modern man, with no evidence as to how this happened or why.   Sumerian texts say that we were genetically engineered, perhaps our lifespan was also engineered into us.   

Iíve heard it said that Scientists canít figure out why we grow old and die, they say that our cells are constantly renewing themselves.

I believe that we are the descendents of the Gods, but that some of them look down on us for being mixed and impure.

I donít know if this is what you were thinking of HereForNow, if not maybe I misunderstood.

Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Volkaitis on April 02, 2009, 10:12:56 pm
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As to the size of those bible giants Iíd say that itís pretty close.   As you know a cubit is about 1Ĺ ft and a span is 9 inches, so in 1 Samuel 17:4  Goliath was 9 ft  9 inches tall.

The later giants, the ones you were referring to, are the shorter ones.

The original ones, the offspring between the Watchers and human women measured a whopping 450 feet tall.

They were destroyed in the original flood God made followed by the phrase, "there were giants in the earth in those days."

The story of those giants (the huge ones) are related in the Dead Sea Scrolls (Book of Giants) and the Book of Enoch.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 02, 2009, 10:15:13 pm
So the big question, why do I believe that the Anunnaki settled in Greenland?

For the past two years Iíve had an interest in Greenland, It was the Greenland anomaly that first stirred my curiosity, I first saw it on Google earth back in 2005, at first I thought it was strange and I didnít know what to make of it, it was only when I discovered itís size that I became really interested.

For those who havenít seen the Anomaly hereís a pic


(http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/obj3.jpg)

this thing is huge, itís 51 - 52 miles long (85 kilometers)  and 11 miles wide (19 kilometers)   Part of this object looks as if it is buried in the ice and snow, and the other end looks as if it broke off from another piece.   In the pic I've circled the anomaly and where I believe that it broke off from.
For a better view I recommend checking it out for yourselves on Google earth.
here are the coordinates.

The Anomaly is at:
70 32í04.95ĒN 40 11í11.90ĒW

The mountain where if broke off from is at:
72 59í52.80ĒN 46 40í53.34ĒW


   Now before I go any further Iíd like to point out that the Karman line is at an altitude of 62.5 miles.   For those who donít know, the Karman line is officially where the earth ends and space begins.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Volkaitis on April 02, 2009, 10:16:15 pm

[2] ~ The description in the R. H. Charles version of The Book of Enoch states that the giants were 3000 ells tall.

    "...(3) And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed (4) all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against (5) them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and (6) fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood..."

    The Book of Enoch, Chapter 7: 3-6 ~ R. H. Charles version



An ell is an old English measurement equivalent to 45 inches (Random House Webster's Dictionary). If this was indeed the measurement that Charles was referring to then that would make the giants just short of two miles high [!] This seems inconceivable since any living thing of this size would create a major earthquake everytime it took a step no matter how gingerly it tried to move. Nevertheless, R. H. Charles was considered by some as an 'Enochian specialist.' Hence, this is probably a typo that was never corrected or maybe there were varying measurements referring to an ell (an Ethiopian ell?).

However, Reverend Richard Laurence, a professor of Hebrew at Oxford, produced the very first English translation of the Book of Enoch in 1821 which was translated directly from the three Ethiopic texts by a famous explorer named James Bruce who first uncovered them in 1773.

His version states that the giants were three hundred cubits tall:

    11 And the women conceiving brought forth giants, 12 Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them; 13 When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them; 14 And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and to drink their blood.

    The Book of Enoch, Chapter 7: 11-14 ~ Richard Laurence version



A cubit is an ancient Hebrew measurement equivalent of the distance from the elbow to the tip of the fingers which was later standardized to be about 18 inches (or about 45 centimeters. 'McKenzie Dictionary of the Bible' and the 'New Concise Bible Dictionary'). This would make the giants about 450 feet tall. This is corroborated by The Book of Giants in The Dead Sea Scrolls by Wise, Abegg, and Cook, page 246. Putting this into perspective, however, would make the tallest dinosaurs (Ultrasaurus, Sauroposeidon) registering around 60 feet in height with all four legs on the ground appear the size of a chihuahua to the giants of this size. This is more conceivable albeit still mind-boggling to contemplate.

Aside from the above discrepancy, the R. H. Charles version is conceptually identical to the Laurence version. Personally, I prefer the R. H. Charles version since it is not frequently interpolated with explanatory footnotes (as with the Laurence version) which tend to interrupt the flow of understanding that can be derived from just a straight reading of the Book of Enoch. The Laurence version, however, is not without its merits.

[I will take this opportunity here to note that over the years of research I have become very suspicious of 'biblical scholarship' which quite often attempts to reconcile biblical history with a modernist point of view. This kind of biblical understanding amounts to sheer blasphemy since it usually ignores the actual physical act of Divine Creation in six days and subtly assumes modernist trappings such as the big bang theory, theory of evolution, long earth age, and, in general, an exclusively 'tangible' scientific perspective. This, in turn, conditions the masses to regard Biblical history and the miraculous events contained therein as legend instead of fact. The Holy Bible is then explained away as an ancient collection of allegory and metaphorical concepts. Under this spell of the modern world, the idea of a Holy Living Spirit of God disappears altogether. This subtle transformation of the mass mind is covered in much greater detail in Psychic Winds: The Rise of Technosupremacy...] ~

http://www.geocities.com/cut2thechase_ca/giants.htm#450_feet


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Volkaitis on April 02, 2009, 10:17:22 pm
So, you see when you are talking giants, apparently they "shrank" quite a bit over the centuries.  ;)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 02, 2009, 10:22:45 pm
Sorry about that, I guess I still havenít got that picture thing down yet, I'll work on it and post it when I get it figured out. ;D

Anyhow.
So what is this anomaly?   For the longest time I didnít know, it had me completely baffled.   One day however I was on another forum that was discussing it, and an anonymous poster commented that he knew exactly what it was and that it was Sumerian legends that had guided him to look there in Greenland in the first place.   This unfortunately was all he said, and all I was left to go on, so I started digging through website after website on Sumerian legends, and on one particular site I came across my answer.

Jacobs Ladder!   The Greenland anomaly is Jacobs Ladder.

For those of you who donít exactly know what Jacobs Ladder was, the bible gives a brief and primitive description of it at Genesis 28: 11-19.   This story isnít just found in the bible though, like the war of the gods it can be found in just about every culture.

The following is a link to an excellent article on this subject, the article is entitled
The Ladder-to-Heaven

http://www.maverickscience.com/myth-ladder.pdf.

Iíve got the article so if the link doesnít work let me know and Iíll try to post it.

Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 02, 2009, 10:33:50 pm
Very Interesting Volkaitis, I saw a video not too long ago that showed the unearthing of a skeleton that was about 100 or so ft tall. The man who was standing next to it was about as big as itís skull.   This could have been one of the genetic experiments that Michael Tsarion talks about, I just donít know, but I canít imagine a giant baby that grows up to be that size coming out of a human woman. OUCH! :o   I here the normal sized kid is painful enough. LOL :)

Wind 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bird of Prey on April 03, 2009, 12:11:41 am
Wind, if this is the picture you saw:

(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g230/1247857/GiantAad4_sm.jpg)

I'm afraid it's a hoax!  I wish it weren't.  I believe the Bible mentions that all trace of these creatures was wiped from the earth.


Title: The Ancient War of the Gods: ABOUT - NIBURU(=it is the present Moon!)
Post by: BlueHue on April 03, 2009, 10:48:33 am
The WAR 0f the GODS was later called the WRATH of the GODS.

NIBURU was the present MOON,
which was before it's capture by the Earth's gravity also a wandering Planet
just as HERMES(= Mercury once was a wandering Planet before the Sun's gravity got her....er...Him.)

Around 1.000 bc the MOON did not yet exist
as Earth's permanent satelite it had an erratic orbit around the equator
and was constantly on a collision course with Earth

When the Planet MARS came to close
in it's annually closest revolutions to Earth',
The present Moon bumped off Mars and caused
the BIG BUMB on i'ts fore-Head which astronomers
today think was a former OCEAN. that had " misteriously " emptied.

Proof that this was not such a deep but maybe a recent and shallow Mars Ocean,
lies in the fact that directly  at the other opposite side of the Mars globe,

are some huge volcanoes ( I forget what name they have )with MOUNT Olympus at the Center
which are a seismic-wave effect,  of the Moon bumping on Mars' " Fore-head" (as-late-as- in 855 bc.)
because the Astrophysical-nomers  reject it to have been a' CUT-off"

The Mars head's  " Bold "Sections were sliced off by an erratic Moon-orbit.
which produced some Mars fragments becomming Earth-skin skidding asteroids
that traversed Earths lythos-spheer and caused the Axle to turn upside down like a overtipping Toll.

Next ( 200 years later, )the MOON itselve bumped on Earth
probably into the Indian Ocean
( When it still was named the THETYS-OCEAN.)
others thought that the BUMPwas the birthplace of the MOON!)
Ancient Myths tell that it fell on ADEN, but that is maybe overdone.

In the Nat Geographic Magazine of 2001
a survey was made about the fores forrays or furres
that these Mars fragments had " Ploughed trough Earth's surface
and it came as a big supprize that this event happened BEFORE the RISE of the Himalay Mountains
When the SEA floor Spreading was matched with the assortement of Mars-Fragment meteorite traces re-puzzled
it seemed as if the second gathering of PANGEA had taken place !
 So we may safely assume that the second PANGEA still existed upto 855 bc.

The MOON must have BUMPED Twice into Earth
in 855 bc to account for the RISE of the HYMALAYS
 at about the same spot where the MOON ( in-ANNA or MAATRE or TIANNA or ISHTAR.)
bumped the THETYS- OCEAN 5 Kilometers deep, to create the INDIAN Ocean.

And IF GREEK World Creation MYTHS are correct,
the MOON" EURYNOME " Did wander about Earth before taking off under the name of " APHRODITE "
to regain into its present ORBIT ( But Dr Velikovsky say that ancient records still showed that

the Moon's (= NIBIRU's-)erratic orbit did not become stable until in 647 bc
and before that it caused annually Tsunamis and each 50-th year a GRAND/ Major Tsunami
( in Concurrence/ conjunction with Mars closest  annual an 50-th yearly orbit approach to Earth.

This 50 year TSUNAMI/ Catastoph Cycle was noted and recorded briefly by Egyptian
and Greek Astronomers so the majority of 50 yearly FLOODS had names in Greek mythology Q

I Discovered this 50-) years Cycle in 2005 just after the latest ASIAN- TSUNAMI
( so that year MARS must have been closest to Earth and NASA WAS planning a new Mars-Landing
at that time !!! but in order not to outstay my welcome ,
 
I'll mention the Names of these 10 odd- Greek FLOODS another time maybe in another THREAD/TOPIC ?
since nobody noticed/read them as serious science in my previous posts

After hitting Mars in the " WAR of the GODS epoch,
the Moon Subsequently ( named:" EURYMENE " in the Pelgaskian ( World-)creation Myth
sent Mars' " Teeth " as Mars meteorite fragments to Earth, where they hit in the RUB al CHALI- desert
only it was not a desert yet in 855 bc by adding Rockfragments from Mars the Rub al Chali LAKE,

The red volcanic dust bowl of ARABY coverred with FRANKINCENSE and outer fruit Trees as a true Paradise,
 
overflowed and overturned it's water onto the South-Arabian COAST( where it washed away all RED HUMOUS SOIL
( that was deposited at 200 meters DEPTH in the Golf of Aden.)and still could be retrieved to recover the present SHEFELAH- Desert

It was this MOON-Burst of 855 bc
that rigged the TSUNAMI/ Deukalion FLOOD/ Deluge that immershed the City of Atlantis.(for a 2nd time.)(now Ras - ADEN.)
For more information, see my Three Rules of THUMB to better locate the " original " Atlantis 
at the bottom opf this Posting ! THANK  YOU !

Sincerely " BlueHue  " dd 3 April -2009 from: Poly-technic univ.of DELFT / Holland.

PS
" Giants" in the Bible or Dragons elswhere are ALWAYS   ELEPHANTS !


Zechariah Sitchin, is not the only source of Niburu.

However for the sake of staying on topic. You are correct. I do beleive that the "Gods", were indeed from somewhere else besides Earth and that we have encountered more then one race of beings.
Clearly there is a kind of political order within these beings as well.

Which tells us that , yes even the Angels seem to fit the description of what we know as extraterrestial life forms. I'm going to stick to my guns on this. As for a war of Gods, perhaps these events can be explained by looking closely at the chronology of different astrological events. Things like comet fragments impacting the areas of the Atlantic ocean of the coast of the Carolina's for example. Then see if there is a pattern to the times that these cosmic events happen in our heavens and Earth, and You see a clear pattern emerge.

Now in regaurds to the coming age, my eyes will be looking south after may 15 of this year and early into next year to add to the validity of recent discoveries. I'm hoping that I'm wrong...............
In fact I'm praying that I am.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on April 03, 2009, 10:56:52 am
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All " GIANTS " in the Bible or " DRAGONS " everywhere were originally ( White)Holi Elephants that became taboed.

Blue hue, Honestly I donít know what to say.   I will say this though, out of everyone that Iíve come across in my internet travels you never cease to surprise me.  :)

Wind


DEAR.....Mr ..WIND,

I don't talk to people who think that ANTARTICA was Atlantis. :'( :o :'(

Why do you think that my nick name is " BlueHue "? because of Greenland fallacies !
( no offence but it is a digression) just because Poet VIRGIL wrote that
just before he died after a trip to Athens in 20 bc. So this Story fallacy  lead an own life !

I'd rather like that you commented on my Subscript rather than stay speechless and perpetrade a fallacy

THANK  YOU !


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 03, 2009, 01:50:05 pm
Yes Bird of Prey thatís the picture that I saw,  Itís really incredible isnít it.   Do you happen to know where itís from?   Iíd like to get a little more information on that particular dig.

Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 03, 2009, 02:13:18 pm
Blue Hue Iím going to give you a couple posts here, Fist I would like to commend you on the information that you have provided.   It is true that some ancient legends say that earth had no moon before the great flood, and this would go along with Michaels Tsarions destruction of Tiamat theory, the water and debris from Tiamat caused the flood and gave us our moon.   The destruction of a planet could have very well caused the other things that you have described.
 
However there are other legends that say that the earth once had two moons, one of which I believe was the planet Nibiru, How is this possible?   Iíll get into this in future posts.

Thanks again Blue Hue

Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 03, 2009, 02:28:47 pm

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don't talk to people who think that ANTARTICA was Atlantis.   

Why do you think that my nick name is " BlueHue "? because of Greenland fallacies !
( no offence but it is a digression) just because Poet VIRGIL wrote that
just before he died after a trip to Athens in 20 bc. So this Story fallacy  lead an own life !

Blue Hue for the record I donít believe that Atlantis was located in Greenland or the Antarctic, and Iím sorry I donít believe that it was located anywhere near Aden either.   The city of the Godís on the other hand, this I do believe was in Greenland, and once I can get it all together Iíll be posting my research on this.

Blue hue, there were many advanced ancient cities and civilization here on earth, and through research I have been discovering that they may have each shared a common design, the concentric rings.   As Iím sure that many here are aware of, circular cities have and are being discovered all over the earth.

As far as I know Blue hue your Aden could have been the location for one of these ancient cities, I just donít know.
Atlantis on the other hand is exactly where legends say it is, of this I have no doubt.

Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 03, 2009, 02:41:38 pm
Itís interesting that you mention Mario Dantas, HereForNow because this anomaly is located right next to where he believes his Atlantis to be.   It fact itís because of Mario that Iím here at Atlantis Online.   At first I had the same theory as his, so I set out on the net to research it.  It wasnít long before I came across one of Marioís articles. I donít normally do this, but he had me so interested that I emailed him for more information, and he invited me to come here and so here I am.

   


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 03, 2009, 02:53:15 pm
Hope this works

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww45/Wind-1111/ga2.jpg)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 03, 2009, 02:59:48 pm
Finally! It worked.   Itís not a close up picture because I wanted both the anomaly and where I believe it broke off from in the pic.    If you'll notice, on the hill or mountain to the left of the anomaly youíll see the same coloration  as the anomaly.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 03, 2009, 04:43:11 pm

Blue hue as you have requested here is my comment on your three rules of thumb
I mean no offence by it!

1.)ATLANTIS =Fake Latin name, original Greek: ATHE(= "Land -of -Ad")

Iím sorry Blue hue but I canít find proof of this anywhere.   The only places that I have found it mentioned are on other forums where you posted it!

 This is what I did find.

The word "Atlantis" comes from the Greek Atlantikos, meaning (the) Atlantic (specifically the Ocean but also lands/peoples associated with it).

Atlantic
Adjective
of the Atlantic Ocean, the world's second largest ocean, bounded by the Arctic, the Antarctic, America, and Europe and Africa [Greek (pelagos) Atlantikos (the sea) of Atlas (so called because it lay beyond the Atlas Mountains)]

2.)AtlanticOCEAN= Composite of:Atlantic-Sea+World-OCEAN(=Red-Sea)

The three major subdivisions of the world ocean are the Atlantic Ocean, the Pacific Ocean, and the Indian Ocean

These oceans may in fact be connected via water, but that does not make the red sea the Atlantis sea, sorry.

3.)Plato= over-measured by TEN from misreading Greek Numeral:1.000

If by this you are referring to the 900 vs 9000 debate then I believe that this has already been proven here on A.O

I am sorry my friend but it is you who are guilty of perpetrating a fallacy.   I have not ignored your three rules of thumb, but I chose to remain speechless in order to spare your feelings, I respect you Blue hue and the contribution that you have made here, but as I have said in the past we must keep an open mind until the identity of the true Atlantis can be undeniably proved.   I apply this to myself as well, if I am ever proved wrong I will admit to it and adjust my theories.   
   All of what I have said in this thread thus far are my theories, parts of it I can prove, but there are parts that I canít, thatís why I keep an open mind and keep researching


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 03, 2009, 11:28:39 pm
Legends of a Ladder that once connected heaven and Earth can be found all over the earth, not just in the bible, in fact the small mention that the bible does give it doesnít do it justice.
Basically, every one of these legends says the same thing so instead of quoting every one of them (Which would literally take forever!)  Iím going to give a short summary of them.

   First of all this ladder has also been described as a tree, a rope, a pole, a reed, a rock, and even as connecting arrows and connecting darts.   Usually it is also said to be situated on a hill or mountain, at the center of the universe on earth, which the ancients believed to be the north pole.

   The legends say that both the gods and man traveled this ladder between heaven and earth, but that something happened that turned them against each other.   Usually the legend ends with a warrior hero or group of heroes invading heaven, the result being that the ladder was cut down in a great calamity and was followed by a great flood.

I have come to believe that this ladder was a tether connected to an orbital habitat the same one that the Sumerians called Esagila, where the Anunnaki hid themselves while they attacked those on earth.

I surmise that this is the same legend that Jack and the Beanstalk was based upon.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Mario Dantas on April 06, 2009, 12:11:50 pm

Dear Wind,

you said:
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Itís interesting that you mention Mario Dantas, HereForNow because this anomaly is located right next to where he believes his Atlantis to be.   It fact itís because of Mario that Iím here at Atlantis Online.   At first I had the same theory as his, so I set out on the net to research it.  It wasnít long before I came across one of Marioís articles. I donít normally do this, but he had me so interested that I emailed him for more information, and he invited me to come here and so here I am.

I am honored for the reference, unfortunately (or perhaps not) we haven't reached the same conclusions, although i believe there is a lot more in common than we assume now.

I don't exactly know why you seem to ignore Ulf Richter's measurements since you believe that those images aren't just an error...

What else can Atlantis be other than the City of Gods? How can the measures be coincidentally the same? Why would the largest Island in the World bear these important aspects of Plato's Timaeus and Critias, and just about everything else in the two tales?

There was a "Metamorphose" in the Atlantic Ocean and the result became unrecognizable...

Regards,
Mario Dantas



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 06, 2009, 01:27:15 pm
(http://armandfrasco.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/fmw.jpg)


Mario, look at S. America in this prediction map.

A war of Gods tells us that our ancestors witnessed a war of divine beings which by today's standard could be Alien beings from here and else where according to everything we know.
In the event that we went to war with Alien beings, it would be much the same kind of war they knew then. In a sence, Atlantis is world wide today and we have reached the height of our collective being which is limited to what the wealthy allow us to know.

By our examples of today, we can see how the past is being repeated and it seems to consist of actions that are taking place in the heavens.
Note that the planets according to Sumerians accounts have the names of Angels given by hewbrew legends.
Niburu is the winded disc.............
Research this and everything we discuss through out the entire AO sight is explainable if we are open for looking at human history differently.

We must look outside the box on this.
Nothing is cut and dry here.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 06, 2009, 01:34:02 pm
Wind- I would research when Jacob was alive for a date of his existence.

Jacob's ladder is DNA and we both know what this means.
In fact the two trees in the Garden of Eden may also be talking more about a resulting split in human developement that lead to many varities of human kind.
Hybrid versions were hartier and Earth grown to preserve to blood line of other species on our planet for the sake of colonization.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 06, 2009, 01:56:43 pm
I made the statement once that everything we discuss is easily to consolidate if we look at the possible connections to entire pages our human history to see things with a kind of bird eye veiw if you will.
 ;)
Free your minds and your butts will follow sort of speak.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 06, 2009, 05:55:48 pm
Mario I have to apologize, I have not ignored anything that Ulf Richter said, in fact I can take those same measurements and apply them to another site just northwest of the anomaly (in front of the hill where I believe it once stood.) Actually I have already done this and the measurements do fit, but this is not Atlantis, and Iím sure that Ulf Richter would have agreed with me.   
   
   You see Mario, Ulfís entire theory was based around Atlantis being in a river delta which Iím sure that you know well.  I am quite positive that there are no river deltas up in the mountains of Greenland, but this doesnít mean that there isnít something very important there.  There could in fact be an entire advanced civilization buried under the ice, perfectly preserved.   If this is true it would truly be one of the greatest finds in human history! 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 06, 2009, 05:58:52 pm
HereForNow I will concede that the mention of Jacobs ladder in the bible could in fact represent dna, and I do know why this would be important. 
   However the fact still remains that there are still dozens of other legends that speak of a ladder to heaven, and these legends tell a story separate and completely different from that found in the bible.    Several of these legends that say that this ladder was located on a hill at the center of the universe here on earth, and the ancients believed that the center of the universe was located at the north pole.   
   This is what lead me to the conclusion that the Greenland anomaly was this ladder, well lets not say ladder, the only ladder mentioned was in the bible, as I have previously stated itís been called many different things, a pole, a reed, a rope and a tower.

   It  was something that connected heaven to the earth, the legends say that the heavens were closer in those days, and that after the tower fell they drifted apart. Sounds like an orbital habitat, or perhaps the planet Nibiru! (Stay tuned for my explanation of this :o)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 06, 2009, 10:00:22 pm
From what I'm getting out of it. It kinda sounds a little like a NASA concept called a space elevator.
Electro-manetic rail launch. It's interesting to think that this might be very much the same.
The stone may have been an anchor.




Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 06, 2009, 10:29:10 pm
At first thatís what I was thinking HereForNow, but I was also thinking that it could have been a tether holding a Habitat or space station in a lower orbit.   

   Now that you mention it though a space elevator would make sense, the heavens in those days were closer because we could actually go there, and when the elevator was knocked down the heavens became further away metaphorically.

There is also the legends that speak of the heroes attack on heaven and that they had to come back the way that they went up, so this make me think tether.

I guess without getting a good look at the anomaly I wonít know for sure, that is unless someone comes across something else that might shed some light on the subject.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 06, 2009, 10:34:41 pm
MARIO!

Where is your photos of this anomaly as of recent stuff...?
Besides that, a space elevator would be able to transfer cargo.
In war this is a good way to get the gold where it's going.

All we would have to do then is find evidence of this in all of the other places that talk of a ladder to the sky. It was after all a global thing like dragons, and alien visitors, and great floods.
Even in low orbit, the sheer tension on something like this where it's connected to the Earth could be no less then bed rock, Or a barbed stake attached to the elevator.
But then there would only need to be one location if people were traveling on Earth by air, land, and sea. As we do today. 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 06, 2009, 11:27:17 pm
I donít know why but I hadnít thought about whole gold thing HereForNow, that could be one of the reasons that it was knocked down.

Iíve got another idea for you to consider, let me see if I can piece my thoughts together and Iíll try to post it later tonight or early in the morning.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Mario Dantas on April 07, 2009, 06:51:32 am
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I will now describe the plain, as it was fashioned by nature and by the labours of many generations of kings through long ages. It was for the most part rectangular and oblong, and where falling out of the straight line followed the circular ditch. The depth, and width, and length of this ditch were incredible, and gave the impression that a work of such extent, in addition to so many others, could never have been artificial. Nevertheless I must say what I was told. It was excavated to the depth of a hundred, feet, and its breadth was a stadium everywhere; it was carried round the whole of the plain, and was ten thousand stadia in length. It received the streams which came down from the mountains, and winding round the plain and meeting at the city, was there let off into the sea.

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_FozI0MuGt6I/RzEHpRj5UKI/AAAAAAAAAC0/2qp5lKD4RAs/s720/perspectiveZest.jpg)

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ItWTX58z6B0/SJn8IFJINiI/AAAAAAAAAtw/-AskKo1I-Gg/s720/Centeer%20poseidon88.png)

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_FozI0MuGt6I/RzH9mBj5UXI/AAAAAAAAAEw/35oFSOk2vZc/s720/best1.jpg)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Mario Dantas on April 07, 2009, 07:24:56 am
Dear Wind,

you said:
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   You see Mario, Ulfís entire theory was based around Atlantis being in a river delta which Iím sure that you know well.  I am quite positive that there are no river deltas up in the mountains of Greenland

There can be interior Deltas, and Greenland is still very much unknown to Science to jump to the conclusion that there isn't any such landform...

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Inland deltas

In rare cases the river delta is located inside a large valley and is called an inverted river delta. Sometimes a river will divide into multiple branches in an inland area, only to rejoin and continue to the sea; such an area is known as an inland delta, and often occur on former lake beds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_delta

HFN,

My newest pictures are from the "City" itself, unfortunately i have been busy lately and didn't get more pictures as i wished. Nevertheless, i know they are there for i have seen them, but failed to put them on the web so everybody could see it. I guess we will have to do with those above, sorry... thanks for the attention!

Regards,
Mario Dantas


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Mario Dantas on April 07, 2009, 11:21:57 am
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ItWTX58z6B0/R_gWD_DFtuI/AAAAAAAAAMs/LVWlbdV-sZU/s720/zzzzzzzzUntitled.jpg)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods battle between Egyptians and Arabs?
Post by: BlueHue on April 07, 2009, 01:10:11 pm
Dear................WIND,

About the TALLness of the PHILLUSTINES in their Cities
 I have heard it put differently:
Your Quote is  out of context or incomplete:( Sorry,  mine is too. )

'When The israelites had to send out a recognaissance party, none dared to go, safe Joshua and Caleb.
and they came back with good news: Everything they saw was bigger than life ! a land TRUELY overflowing with Milk an honey !

But the Cities were sufficiently/ heavily fortified and the watchmen or  NEPHILIM
were as tall  as the  tallest Gate-TOWERS on the city walls.
the inhabitants of the Cities were tall too and we felt ourselves
as small in comparision to them as grasshoppers.

But Joshua and Caleb tricked their tribes into enterring Philustina,
by showing them green unripe-FIGS, that resembled green Grapes,
but were twice as big, yet,  told them that these were giant-"Grapes" !

Actually the cities of these " Philustines " were built on top of Craggs
 or low hills thus did not need to be heavily fortified for the steep slopes.

Naturally any City-Gate/Towers have to look formidable to frighten off attackers
but to say that the Watchmen/ Nephilim, were as big as CityGate- towers is just a tall-story !

Anyway I forget which was the FIRST city that was attacked by the JOSHUA- Party
 I thought it was either: Aii or ASHKALON( actually in my theory: Ras- Aden and Okelis in Yemen.)

Sincerely " BlueHue " dd -7th Apil- 2009


helped me to connect a few dots.
 
As to the size of those bible giants Iíd say that itís pretty close.      
In Deuteronomy 3:11 itís speaking of King Ogís bedstead.
At first I thought that it was probably a mattress but the translation of bedstead is simply the place where you sleep.  
One thing that I found very interesting though was in Numbers 13:33. there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak,
which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
 
The key phrase here is the sons of Anak,   Anak is the Hebrew equivalent of the Sumerian God Enki, If you do happen to find that reference where its lists them as being much taller please let me know

Thanks
Wind 



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 07, 2009, 10:38:55 pm
First of all I would like to say wow! Mario those are very good pics, thank you for sharing, I think that you have a real talent there.

Blue hue you could be correct, Iíve heard it said that the report that the spies gave were just exaggerations and that the real reason behind this was that the spies themselves lacked the faith to take hold of the promised land, thus they were punished by having to wonder 40 years in the wilderness.

This however is just one of many accounts of there being Giants after the flood.


 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 07, 2009, 11:07:04 pm
HereForNow sorry it took me so long, itís been a busy day.   Something that I came across recently got me thinking a bit.   Apparently there are several sources that believe that Nibiru is an artificial planet, and is capable of coming and going as it pleases.

What do you think about this?

There are legends that say that the Earth once had two moons!

Could this have been the heavens that the ancients wrote about, could this also have been what was attached to the tether.



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on April 08, 2009, 08:04:02 am
Could this have been the heavens that the ancients wrote about, could this also have been what was attached to the tether.

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww45/Wind-1111/NaramSinStele.jpg)
 
this victory stele celebrates the triumph of King Naram-Sin over a mountain people, the Lullubi. The Akkadian king led his troops over the steep slopes of the enemy territory, mercilessly crushing all resistance. now claim equal footing with the gods. 


Dear.............mr. WIND,

Where Naram -Sin has been is in South- Araby where the Central PILLAR ( or the original' Mount Olympus.)that supported the World/ Heavens stood
This was One central Pillar, because it would take ca.800 years later before Heracles split it in two ( with the River Ladon or Lethe inbetween.)
These separated World/Heavens supporting Pilars wer named Bakhu & Manu and were positioned at the Entranced of the original STRAIT at Bab al Mandab in the " Land of the Hyper-Boreanns"( not in the Norse-ARTIC region, but in (South-)Yemen.

I wrote before that NIBURU was ther present Moon from the Time that it was first captured by Earth's gravity
Indeed therte was a " Second " Moon but this was MERCURY when it was still in orbit around Mars & Earth before the Sun's Gravity overpowered it
Only After the NIBURU- Stele was written with the prediction of a future Earth-Collision The MOON got a stable orbit and outdated the NIBURU observations! but than the author of this " Niburu-Stele was allready dea and could not amend it so we think rthat NIBURU still is a wandering Planet !

Naturally the True " NIBURU" adherends  will refuse to except the above theorem @!

Sincerely " BlueHue " dd 8-th April- 2009


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 08, 2009, 10:23:48 pm
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On another note, I found this pic, that was posted on another forum and found it quite interesting (I may just be reading into it, but it does look interesting.)

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww45/Wind-1111/NaramSinStele.jpg)
 
A major work illustrating the imperial art of the Akkadian Dynasty, this victory stele celebrates the triumph of King Naram-Sin over a mountain people, the Lullubi. The Akkadian king led his troops over the steep slopes of the enemy territory, mercilessly crushing all resistance. The conqueror's victory march is coupled with the personal ascension of a sovereign who could now claim equal footing with the gods. 

Sorry Blue hue I didn't mean for the above post and this to go together, I should have created separate posts in the first place.   I just thought that this picture might be another depiction of the tower to heaven, but as the following will explain I was mistaken. In fact I have deleted the picture from the above.

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"Originally this stele was erected in the town of Sippar, centre of the cult of the Sun god, to the north of Babylon. lt was taken as booty to Susa by an Elamite king in the 12th century BC. lt illustrates the victory over the mountain people of western lran by Naram-Sin, 4th king of the Semite dynasty of Akkad, who claimed to be the universal monarch and was deified during his lifetime. He had himself depicted climbing the mountain at the head of his troops. His helmet bears the horns emblematic of divine power. Although it is worn, his face is expressive of the ideal human conqueror, a convention imposed on artists by the monarchy. The king tramples on the bodies of his enemies at the foot of a peak; above it the solar disk figures several times, and the king pays homage to it for his victory." - Louvre


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 08, 2009, 10:26:07 pm
It is interesting however that there are three suns in the stele, don't you think? :)

Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Kal-L on April 08, 2009, 11:50:28 pm
What would the three suns signify?


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on April 09, 2009, 03:37:08 am
It is interesting however that there are three suns in the stele, don't you think? :)

Well , on statistics three gods formed a TRITE
Like the holi family and most Gods were" Solar-Dieties "

ADAM EVE and ABLE were SUN, EVENING and " MID-DAY", Mid-day was killed=-off by the AFTER-NOON.
JESUS, MARY and JOSEPH were: SUN, JUPITER and MOON-dieties ( Of Three Gods one may be female.)
MERCURY-VENUS & MARS and The Heliopolis and Hermo-Polis God-TRITEs of AMUN- Hathor and CHONS.

The  NA -BATEANS had THREE Solar Dieties or antropomprphal forces Nature:
ITHA -Bol, META-Bol & Agli-Bol  ( or: " Earth - Wind - & Fire " )

But mostly Countries were composed of three-regions where Gods may have merged
Atlantis was composed of THREE " Major " ISLES and the other 4 were smaller.

On the other hand Three seasons were represented by Three Wind or agricultural Gods:
Hades is winter Demeter is Summer, Persephone is Autumn and Appollo became God of Spring and the Muses later.

But about any Icon-symbolic meaning of Three Godheads I cannot say.
So I am verry sorry that I couldn't answer this Question at hand.
And searching for the right answer with my bad sight(one Eye-sight missing )takes me all day.

 :'( :o :'(  dd 9-th April-2009


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on April 09, 2009, 04:00:52 am
Blue Hue you could be correct, Iíve heard it said that the report that the spies gave were just exaggerations and that the real reason behind this was that the spies themselves lacked the faith to take hold of the promised land, thus they were punished by having to wonder 40 years in the wilderness.
This however is just one of many accounts of there being Giants after the flood.
Dear.......Mr.....WIND, MARIO and RAJESH and other Guests,

THE Wandering in the Desert
 didn't take 40 years but only 4

that is the number of years that took the Army of JOSHUA to conquer PHILUSTIN/ Canaan.
It co-incided with the time of JOB, the Canaan country was: SEiiR or  "CHEREM"(= " Holi- Elephant" Country.)

JOSHUA and GIDEON used Battle -Elephants in their Armies around 1055 bc.
So did the MEDIANITES(= later : Mitanni.)in South-Araby when attackeed by Gideon, they trampled the Camp.
but this is NOT apparent in the Tora/Bible today BECAUSE in: 855 bc GOD
(= King Salmanasser-3 ordered the names and existence of the Elephant
in Araby to be stricken off the records.)

Only in: 300 bc King Seleuchus-3 got 500 battle Elephants from King CandraGuptha-1
to wage war against his rival Antiochus-1 but before he could do so these Elephants died of famin.
and since all Solders wades were spent feeding the( aquatious !) Elephants with dry fodder
Seleuchus lost his lands and kingdom. PLUS the State of PAKISTAN
(which he ceeded as payment for these" White-"Elephants !)

WARS or WRATHS-of GODS is a methaphore for RECURRENT grand Tsunamies in a cycle of every 50-th-Year
The reign of Hatsepsut from 1005-until 955/50 is an exemple of the space between " Wars-of- Gods "

The Three first Kings of Israel were also wrongly alotted each 40 Years in reign.
SAUL, as Thutmoseis-1 only reigned TEN years,
DAVID as Thutmosis-2 only reigned TWO or 5 years
SOLOMON, as King Thutmosis-3, only Reigned 25 Years

Prophet (of Amun) ELIA may have been a Female called: Amose-Neferti-Mery-Amun.

One big Monarch is absent here( probably Censored-away by King Thutmosis-3)
was his Mother:" BATSHEBA "= Queen of Sheba= Hatsepsut, who reigned from 1003-950 bc.

Thutmosis reigned from 950- untill 925 bc but he added the 50 years of his mother to himself!
( afterall that was legal because oficially they were co-rulers
( Thutmosis was however enrolled as High-Priest of Amun.)

But strangely, afterwards he was displeased about AMUN and about his Mother.
so inbetween 950-925, not Amun but Re was the highest Diety in Egypt.

and instead of PEACE in ARABY with the Assyrians & Babylonians and the LANDS of AMUN "(= Araby.)
Thutmosis-3 found it ' neccessary' to wage 17 wars into South-Araby to exac tribute from Priests of Amun.
So his posterity, found the Lands of Amun (= PUNT.)becomming less loyal to the Egyptian Crown
Until Two Priests of AMUN the Prophets JESAJA and JHEREMIAH became downright Assyrian " Puppets "

Sorry to have digressed here from the TOPIC !

Sincerely " BlueHue " dd 9-th April-2009, from Poly-Tech.Univ. DELFT/ Holland.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 09, 2009, 05:50:35 am
HereForNow sorry it took me so long, it’s been a busy day.   Something that I came across recently got me thinking a bit.   Apparently there are several sources that believe that Nibiru is an artificial planet, and is capable of coming and going as it pleases.

What do you think about this?

There are legends that say that the Earth once had two moons!

Could this have been the heavens that the ancients wrote about, could this also have been what was attached to the tether.



Actually the theory of a second moon is based on the Lilith subject.
Love to start a topic on that one some time.
As for Niburu, I beleive it does only come through once every 3,600 years. However I also beleive that interplanetary refining is taking place between with whatever is inhabiting it's living planet. We are all home-grown sort of speak. For them to successfully live on both worlds, they must adapt to both atmospheric, and biological obstacles. Just as we would if we were to inhabit both worlds.

It's only an idea I have about this and I don't expect others to flow with that thought but, that is the theory I have come to like about this.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 09, 2009, 06:06:13 am
Blue and wind, one more thought to taste on this subject is;

Names of heavenly bodies.
Bakhu & Manu-the Sun
Lilith-second moon, or dark moon
Uriel-Early planet, name of an angel
Tiamat-our moon
Murduk-Early saturn?
Jupiter-Zues, and so on are the names of ancient gods or goddesses.

Perhaps an influence of these heavenly hosts, acts upon our planet under certain conditions throughout a Lunar or solar cycle. A war of Gods could have been earlier interactions of these.

Adam and Eve is even translated to mankind and of man...

The three kings of Christs birth- Belt of Orion
Follows the north star in the heavens.
Dec., 21 shortest day of the years- dies for three day and the sun begins to rise one degree each day after. December 24th- Birth of Christ.


The connection I'm making is not just a theory of my own. I have heard others drawing much of the same conclusions........

Niburu-Destroyer=Satan
Think about how it's described.....

A coming war in Heaven as mentioned in the book of revelations.

Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they were defeated and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world - he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
A number of sources mention a war between God and his armies and Satan's host. In Paradise Lost, John Milton vividly recounted a war in heaven following rebellion by Satan and other angels before the Fall of Man.The fall of superhuman beings punished for opposing gods is also found outside of the Abrahamic faiths. Homer's Iliad says, Hephaestus was cast down from the heavenly threshold by Zeus and landed on the island of Lemnos nearly dead. Hesiod 's Theogony recounts that the gods, after defeating the Titans, hurled them down to Tartarus (the Titanomachy) as far beneath the earth as earth is beneath the sky.

Again, we can draw our own conclusions but this is the best theory I have on this.


 



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 09, 2009, 02:00:25 pm
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On the other hand Three seasons were represented by Three Wind or agricultural Gods:
Hades is winter Demeter is Summer, Persephone is Autumn and Appollo became God of Spring and the Muses later.


Blue hue, you may have actually uncovered the answer, this whole stele represents and records King Naram Sinís victory over the mountain people, I am willing to bet that the three suns represent how long it took him to do this.   The three suns represent three seasons perhaps, or one year.

Thank you Blue hue for taking the time to research this.

Sincerely
Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on April 09, 2009, 09:11:48 pm
I don't think I've been in this thread before, except to come in through "unread posts since your last visit", so have only just read the post where it's mentioned that Nibiru was a "construct".  In that case, I don't think she's coming back - she's a dead planet:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t267/Qoais/Deathstar-Iapetus.jpg)



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 09, 2009, 11:55:58 pm
Thatís an interesting picture Qoais, and kind of eerie.   Is that what you meant by Nibiru being a dead planet?



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 10, 2009, 08:10:50 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a0CKiO5YzE&feature=player_embedded


 8)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 10, 2009, 08:12:27 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-3RLx_4Y5Y&feature=player_embedded

 8)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on April 10, 2009, 08:57:35 am
Iapetus - The Death Star - Seems to be a construct, since it doesn't appear to really be round:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t267/Qoais/The-Wall.jpg)

It also appears to have a "seam" around the middle where the two halves join.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 10, 2009, 10:36:05 am
To go along in the direction of Qoaisís comments the second Video was quite interesting, especially the part where it speaks of Nibiru as being mostly uninhabited and acts more as a battle station. Iím sure that people would be shocked if suddenly Nibiru stopped on our doorstep and itís people said howdy!

Anyhow these are great pictures Qoais, and I can see where youíre coming from now. That doesnít look you your run of the mill God made moon, It definitely looks, manmade or alien made (whichever way you want to go with it :D)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 10, 2009, 10:38:22 am
HerForNow thanks for the videos, in the second one I noticed something else interesting, they said that planet X was coming from the direction of Orion.   In 10.500 bc the pyramids in Egypt aligned with the constellation Orion, could this be mere coincidence?   For some reason Iíve always has this nagging feeling deep inside that told me that the pyramids were built as a warning, to warn future generations that something was coming.   Of course I never really thought that it had anything to do with Orion, I just thought that it was marking a specific time period when something happened that was going to happen again.   This belief comes from the fact that the Sphinx at that time aligned with the constellation Leo.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 10, 2009, 10:46:09 am
   Iíve got one more comment on that second video, and Iím sorry but whoever made that has got the why all wrong. Money is not the reason that theyíre not warning anyone.  People put way too much importance on the all mighty BUCK!   Whatís a bunch of paper gonna buy you when everything is said and done?   Your own little piece of destruction?   Give me a break!
   
These people are already secure and ready to go, there not worried about accumulating more wealth, everything that theyíre taking with them theyíve already got, stored away.   
   Itís us who are obsessed with the accumulation of wealth, so much so that itís blinded everyone to whatís really going on. (He who dies with the most toyís wins!  But heís still dead!) 
   
   People today are so consumed with making a living, providing for their families, making their car and house payments and what ever other payments that theyíve sold their souls to.   Theyíre so consumed by all of this that they canít see whatís right in front of their eyes, they wont know whatís coming until its too late!
   
   This has been the plan from the beginning, this is the real reason for every little piece of conspiracy BS out there, theyíre keeping our minds occupied.   The real reason that they donít warn anyone is because they donít want 2/3 of the worlds population beating down the doors to their hidden sanctuaries.

Honestly though Iím not positive whatís coming, but I know that something is, I can feel it deep inside.   As far as I know this video could be propaganda meant to spread chaos and confusion, to keep minds occupied, OR! It could be real.  It gave the date of May 15th.
Iím not going to hold my breath but I will be looking to the skyís on that day.

Thanks for letting me ramble
Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on April 10, 2009, 04:57:49 pm
If a thing is round, it casts a round shadow.  In other words, if Iapetus was round, it would give a round shadow.  It seemingly doesn't.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t267/Qoais/ConstructedPlanet.jpg)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 11, 2009, 12:20:13 pm
Qoais after you posted these latest pics I just had to go check this out for my self.   This truly is fascinating stuff.   I found the original article and would like to provide a link to it.   Even though I havenít read the whole article yet what I have read is very interesting.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon3.htm

Thanks
Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 11, 2009, 04:05:15 pm
This is starting to sound strangly familiar....

Wind, if you get the chance. Go to the Private enterprise to Mars thread in the future Science catagory.
Me and Q worked on that one for a short while and I was more inspired about the idea at the time.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 11, 2009, 04:30:48 pm
   I’ve got one more comment on that second video, and I’m sorry but whoever made that has got the why all wrong. Money is not the reason that they’re not warning anyone.  People put way too much importance on the all mighty BUCK!   What’s a bunch of paper gonna buy you when everything is said and done?   Your own little piece of destruction?   Give me a break!
  
These people are already secure and ready to go, there not worried about accumulating more wealth, everything that they’re taking with them they’ve already got, stored away.  
   It’s us who are obsessed with the accumulation of wealth, so much so that it’s blinded everyone to what’s really going on. (He who dies with the most toy’s wins!  But he’s still dead!) 
  
   People today are so consumed with making a living, providing for their families, making their car and house payments and what ever other payments that they’ve sold their souls to.   They’re so consumed by all of this that they can’t see what’s right in front of their eyes, they wont know what’s coming until its too late!
  
   This has been the plan from the beginning, this is the real reason for every little piece of conspiracy BS out there, they’re keeping our minds occupied.   The real reason that they don’t warn anyone is because they don’t want 2/3 of the worlds population beating down the doors to their hidden sanctuaries.

Honestly though I’m not positive what’s coming, but I know that something is, I can feel it deep inside.   As far as I know this video could be propaganda meant to spread chaos and confusion, to keep minds occupied, OR! It could be real.  It gave the date of May 15th.
I’m not going to hold my breath but I will be looking to the sky’s on that day.

Thanks for letting me ramble
Wind



It was divineness that destroyed the Atlanteans...
I guess in a sence it is much the same today.

Yet man is not the weak little creature it was.
We have the ability to choose our own fates and from a philosophical point of veiw.
We are allowing these people with all this money to do what they are with it.
We are also not doing anything about nothing to save ourselves when poop hits the fan.


That is why I disclose every shread of information that arises both good and bad.
people have a right to choose what they are going to do with the information, however I will still provide it by taking the time to research these things and telling everyone what Im finding.
When it comes down to everyone pointing their fingers at everyone else, I can atleast say that I was not a part of what isn't working.

I was trying to warn/inform the world that things are going in a down-ward spiral and here is our options. This is what we are allowed to know so here it is.
 :)

I don't disagree with what your saying wind.
Yet it's our own faults that things are like this and we need a better plan bud.
The war of the Gods is definitely an example of what can happen again.
Yet, is knowing this really enough to save those billions of people who know nothing about this stuff who take each day of their lives for granted?

Yet those of us who do know, are still as much to blame by not leading with examples of our own.
This is where we fail to use this information for bettering ourselves for much harder times ahead.
This is the truth of the matter behind this discussion. This s why a thinning of the heard must happen every so many generations is to evolve beyond the former weaker state. Forgive me for sounding cold, but the truth as I see it is all I know.  ;)

It is sick to think about how they (the very elite with money) are handling all their last affairs.
However, if we all were networking with all those out there that are listening and do see whats going on.
We to can emerge from the ashes and not go back to the former things that passed.
For those with money? Well it make take them a minute to relise it but, LOL
Their fortunes are nothing anymore and it's worth maybe, insulations for those freezing nights they spend alone.............

For those of us who are used to nothing, it's an easy plan to stick together and do what we must to preserve what is good about us. We love, and we know what must be done. Survive as one...


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 11, 2009, 05:01:06 pm
Please donít get me wrong HereForNow The video was very good, in fact I found it very informative, I just didnít agree with his conclusions as to why the government isnít warning people.   I also think itís sad that greed and wealth are keeping people from seeing the truth.

I do commend you for trying to get the information out there, and I meant no disrespect by my comment.

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Yet it's our own faults that things are like this and we need a better plan bud.
The war of the Gods is definitely an example of what can happen again.

You are 100% right HereForNow it is our fault, and if something isnít done soon history will repeat itself, there is no doubt about it.  And yes we definitely need a better plan.

Iíve heard some here on A.O suggest that we should arm ourselves and overthrow those in power. (Well not in those exact words, but thatís what they were insinuating)
I donít agree with this at all.   Fighting violence with violence is like throwing gasoline on a fire, itís gonna blow up in your face.   In the end I donít think itís our government that we need to be worried about, itís whoís pulling their strings that should concern us.

Thereís gotta be a better solution to the problem, one that perhaps has been overlooked!



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 11, 2009, 05:54:20 pm
Well it's only an opinion but.....

BTW I took no offence to anything you said brother. I am passionate, like you are.
Sometime I don't relize how it is coming out.



A solution is keeping away from shorelines of any large body of water. Get on higher ground, and try to avoid the elements. A am suggesting shelter like the Landships in New Mexico.
Research it. There will be plenty of supplies. Be ready for anything. Yet it can only come together and happen with more hands for ligther work. I think if people were less affraid of one another and seen this point. It could be done. Underground is underground.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 11, 2009, 06:03:22 pm
(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii57/FarCry_2012/NAMASTE.gif)




Have you ever cried tears of overwhelming joy from an instant feeling of love for creation?
Cried because of an episode of Touched By An Angel?
Cried because you imaged a place where everyone else who is gathered and are experiencing this feeling with you and at a singal moment as it explodes outward like a supernova? And suddenly you are looking out from within at the entire majesty of everything that ever was, is and will be all at once. Knowing it's all alive and you are a part of it's very foundations as it is yours.
The picture goes dim and fades to nothing as you srceam inside for more being left with only a portion of what it all was. Returning to a sea filled with the voices of confusion and nonsence. You ache with all your very being to return and to be embraced by those others that are out there and waiting just as we are. Have you ever weeped from the saddness of all the pain this burden of love leaves us because of those who choose not to reach out with this feeling and for those in whom you know don't have it at all?
Even now as I write this I feel all of those of you who do know and understand this message.
I know you are feeling me as well and we need to all come together as one as we are. Everyone who knows what this is, come and behold this season as it's many fruits are ripe and the harvest begins.
To all my brothers and sister of love and peace, who seek this.
Come forth as you imaged  to encourage the rest who are looking. Reach outward from within with this love and be embraced with creation itself in wholeness and become whole. Call to the others who are waiting as we do and show them all where we are.
As I am here, waiting to be there with all of you. You have all seen and felt it. Confess this now that if only a whisper. We have touched you as if to hold you as you do now that you know you are never alone. Weep no more for we all shall soon be free..................


Remember this?
I wrote it about a month ago.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 11, 2009, 06:05:44 pm
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Wind, if you get the chance. Go to the Private enterprise to Mars thread in the future Science catagory.
Me and Q worked on that one for a short while and I was more inspired about the idea at the time.

I skimmed over your discussion, and from the looks of it you guyís sure had a lot of fun.   There were a lot of interesting ideas that that you presented, possibilities that could work if the resources were available.   It would be an amazing experience to actually have the opportunity to do something like that.

There is so much potential for the future, all we have to do is solve our current problems.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 11, 2009, 06:11:28 pm
Correct.....

We have to learn to live out side the systems of these others and see it through to our last breathes...
Without engaging the enemy. Judgement is God's alone.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 11, 2009, 06:24:43 pm
Yes I remember, and I hope that Iím understanding correctly. You can tell me if Iím wrong .
   What Iím getting is that we are all part of a greater whole, a greater consciousness, and when we return to that consciousness we are whole, complete, filled with the ultimate love and warmth.   But there are those who chose to return to this sea of confusion, this plane of existence, to help those who donít know the truth to see, this of course is difficult and even at time depressing and sad, but it must be done.

Your talking about the awakening, arenít you? 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 11, 2009, 06:27:54 pm
Yes I remember, and I hope that I’m understanding correctly. You can tell me if I’m wrong .
   What I’m getting is that we are all part of a greater whole, a greater consciousness, and when we return to that consciousness we are whole, complete, filled with the ultimate love and warmth.   But there are those who chose to return to this sea of confusion, this plane of existence, to help those who don’t know the truth to see, this of course is difficult and even at time depressing and sad, but it must be done.

Your talking about the awakening, aren’t you? 

Correct!!!
LOL

And it is all real.....


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 11, 2009, 06:35:06 pm
Go back in time to when the different books of the bible were written.
Compare general times to when text from other parts of the world were written.
An awakening seems to happen as a result of our collective connection to the universe and all things.
However they wrote in past tence. We're sinking the boat before it leaves the harbor.

LOL


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 11, 2009, 06:39:48 pm
It's funny how we come to the same conclusion, those who believe this, seem to be drawn to eachother :)   I've had to go through many levels of belief and experiences to arrive at this point, in the end it was James Redfieldís Celestine Series that woke me up.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 11, 2009, 06:45:03 pm
Quote
Go back in time to when the different books of the bible were written.
Compare general times to when text from other parts of the world were written.
An awakening seems to happen as a result of our collective connection to the universe and all things.
However they wrote in past tence. We're sinking the boat before it leaves the harbor.

Of course, that makes sense.  It all happened and is happening for a reason, a series of events thatís leading us someplace.



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 11, 2009, 07:06:40 pm
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Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on April 11, 2009, 08:28:15 pm
Sorry Wind, I could have linked you to the Enterprise Mission but it's mentioned at the bottom of the picture and I sort of assumed that most folks know the work of Richard Hoagland by now.  Yeah, we did have some fun working on the Mars Enterprise. 

About awakening.  I think most folks "awaken" when it's their time.  I've also felt there was a groundswell building that a lot of people are feeling.  Don't know what's coming, but I've had it in my head since I was fairly young, that the earth was going to tip on it's axis some day and that would be a major cataclysm.  Been wanting to move away from the coast for a long time!!!!


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 11, 2009, 09:19:44 pm
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Sorry Wind, I could have linked you to the Enterprise Mission but it's mentioned at the bottom of the picture and I sort of assumed that most folks know the work of Richard Hoagland by now. Yeah, we did have some fun working on the Mars Enterprise.

Actually Qoais it was my fault, I wasnít paying attention, I was captivated by the pics LOL ; ;D.   No need to apologize, itís all good.   
I used to go on Enterprise mission years ago right after it was first created, but itís been a long time since I was last there.

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About awakening. I think most folks "awaken" when it's their time. I've also felt there was a groundswell building that a lot of people are feeling. Don't know what's coming, but I've had it in my head since I was fairly young, that the earth was going to tip on it's axis some day and that would be a major cataclysm. Been wanting to move away from the coast for a long time!!!!

It seems that everyone that Iíve been talking to lately can feel that some big is building up, I know that I can definitely feel it.   Like you I donít know whatís coming but I feel that whatever it is, itís getting close!   I can only imagine that you must feel a lot of anxiety living near the coast.   I donít live out of the danger zone, but I donít have far to go to get there.

I believe that youíre absolutely right about awakening, it only happens when the time is right, you canít make it happen, this Iíve found out over the years.



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 12, 2009, 09:26:49 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPWziOmGNIM&feature=player_embedded
 :D


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 12, 2009, 09:31:32 am
Wind----


http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=109982488

It is a blog I've been working on for myspace.
ParaNormal I Am Network.

Have a look, I saved a moment of our earlier discussion there to involve others who see it.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 12, 2009, 12:31:54 pm
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It is a blog I've been working on for myspace.
ParaNormal I Am Network.

Have a look, I saved a moment of our earlier discussion there to involve others who see it.

Very nice HereForNow, you blog looks good, I think it will get a lot of notice.



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It was divineness that destroyed the Atlanteans...
I guess in a sence it is much the same today.

Yet man is not the weak little creature it was.
We have the ability to choose our own fates and from a philosophical point of veiw.
We are allowing these people with all this money to do what they are with it.
We are also not doing anything about nothing to save ourselves when poop hits the fan.


That is why I disclose every shread of information that arises both good and bad.
people have a right to choose what they are going to do with the information, however I will still provide it by taking the time to research these things and telling everyone what Im finding.
When it comes down to everyone pointing their fingers at everyone else, I can atleast say that I was not a part of what isn't working.

I was trying to warn/inform the world that things are going in a down-ward spiral and here is our options. This is what we are allowed to know so here it is.
 

I don't disagree with what your saying wind.
Yet it's our own faults that things are like this and we need a better plan bud.
The war of the Gods is definitely an example of what can happen again.
Yet, is knowing this really enough to save those billions of people who know nothing about this stuff who take each day of their lives for granted?

Yet those of us who do know, are still as much to blame by not leading with examples of our own.
This is where we fail to use this information for bettering ourselves for much harder times ahead.
This is the truth of the matter behind this discussion. This s why a thinning of the heard must happen every so many generations is to evolve beyond the former weaker state. Forgive me for sounding cold, but the truth as I see it is all I know. 

It is sick to think about how they (the very elite with money) are handling all their last affairs.
However, if we all were networking with all those out there that are listening and do see whats going on.
We to can emerge from the ashes and not go back to the former things that passed.
For those with money? Well it make take them a minute to relise it but, LOL
Their fortunes are nothing anymore and it's worth maybe, insulations for those freezing nights they spend alone.............

For those of us who are used to nothing, it's an easy plan to stick together and do what we must to preserve what is good about us. We love, and we know what must be done. Survive as one...

For some reason I didnít catch everything you said the first time I read this,(I think sometimes my brain gets overheated LOL :o)  but after reading it again Iím a lot more clear on what you were saying, and I do agree with you, and I'm honored that you put our conversation on your blog.
 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 12, 2009, 04:44:48 pm
Aside from the fun I am having, it is expressing just a few of the things we discuss here in AO.
Yet I posted direct links to some of the discussions to network them over.

Even locally, nationally, and internationally, some of my "Friends" on myspace have seen this forum.
I have been working on proof of Niburu, and NWO agenda to disclose openly with everyone.
Still no smoking gun but the slip ups that they get through in short lived sections are being caught by some excellent info-warriors that I keep in touch with via E-mails and by phone.
IF...... An ELE occurs, I don't want to die thinking I could have tried.

IF..... There are survivors and I'm hopeful there will be. I would want them to do the same for others to come. And hold none of the truth back from them.

I mean the truth no matter what that is, should be told once and for all.
It would be sad to think that after all the good, people have shown in the way of kindness and respect for life suddenly turned into the thing that fought so hard against.
Even the disinformation, propaganda pirates and debunkers alike are running thin on ideas at this very moment on how to hide the coming truth.
LOL
The fact we know they are out there tells me that something is happening.
Ask them to remember certain points of their arguments and most of the time they fall short in doing so.
Common for a lie. Nothing to remember if it's the truth.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 12, 2009, 06:25:51 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-3RLx_4Y5Y&feature=player_embedded


 :-X


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 12, 2009, 06:46:08 pm
About 7 weeks ago, I put this video on my profile.
I found it while going through some of the other videos that scroll by from left to right at the bottom of the window. I thought it was a bit odd that it was not narrated nor was there any information on it's creator that I could find.

I ended up with a random friend request about a week after.

At first I thought nothing of it. Then it hit me. I listened to the music on the video and then listened to the music on the profile. Same song...... Interesting but not quite the point.
It was more about who the guy is who sent the friend request.
http://www.myspace.com/wizardpsychometry

Please reveiw for yourself.
And be sure to read some of the statements on his page.
I beleive this is an insider reaching out to everyone else and this is how he did it.
I did ask him but he hasn't responded to any of my attempts.

The music that gave me the idea is here, which is also very interesting.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=159085674
Note back ground graphics and think hard how it all seems to connect.


The guy Jerry from the first link looks like George Washington, and is a Mason.
The famous painting in the back-ground of the music page, you know who thats from and there you have it folks. This is but one very strange thing I have experienced in recent days. LOL


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 12, 2009, 07:09:51 pm
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And be sure to read some of the statements on his page.
I beleive this is an insider reaching out to everyone else and this is how he did it.
I did ask him but he hasn't responded to any of my attempts.

Wow! HereForNow, that's mind blowing, I have no idea what to make of it, whoever he is he's very interesting.   Some of the stuff on his page sounds just like what weíve been talking about.

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The music that gave me the idea is here, which is also very interesting.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=159085674
Note back ground graphics and think hard how it all seems to connect.

Michelangeloís Creation of Adam, that is very interesting!




Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 12, 2009, 07:15:34 pm
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f139/chellemybelle79/Creation_of_Adam.jpg)

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c51/anubis679/Movies/e_t_the_extra_terrestrial_ver3.jpg)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 12, 2009, 07:19:03 pm
Wind- I think you are well aware of how deep the rabbit hole goes.....
I have alot of interesting friends on myspace.
LOL

However, there are those members of the network that are working on all the same stuff we are and I'm connecting us all slowly.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 12, 2009, 07:34:43 pm
Maybe you shouild start a forum devoted to this. SMF offers a free forum, there a link at the bottom of the page.

Just a suggestion ;D


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 12, 2009, 08:07:00 pm
This is a bit off the current conversation, but I just wanted to mention this before I forget ;D

After watching that video again I noticed something at the beginning that caught my attention, it was the date that planet X was supposedly discovered, I believe it was 1983?
Anyways it reminded me of something I found on wikipedia a couple days ago.


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Astronomers sometimes use the term "Death Star" to describe Nemesis, a hypothetical star postulated in 1984 to be responsible for gravitationally forcing comets and asteroids from the Oort cloud toward Earth

If this is the same planet, it is interesting that they called Death Star. and of course they called it a hypothetical star, they always like to cover their behinds. :)



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 12, 2009, 09:03:48 pm
 :) I guess the same goes for all those responsible for the amount of disinformation they help promote after a leak is found. Ofcourse 1983 and 84 the discovery of a brown dwarf lead the debate on Zecharia Sitchin theory in 1976...

Unfortunately for the opposition, or non-beleivers (smiles) sort of speak.
Recent feeds have come in from Australia, and Antarctica complete in video and photographic evidence of?
And now discovering once and for all what this enigma truely might be is only something we will know in time.
We'll see it all with our own eyes is why.

And yet Niburu is only one of the many threats ahead that seem to gravitate towards the same year of?
Then go back 3,600 years and see what might have happened on Earth then. Then 7,200 year....
And so on and in passing.....

A year it might happen again.

 :P

Simply surviving is a moral to the war of the gods........
It tells us that life went on. An unavoidable Epiphany is our DNA telling us to take cover.




Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 12, 2009, 09:09:18 pm
Breathe--- In through the nostils and out through the mouth slowly......
 ;)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 12, 2009, 11:15:23 pm
Maybe you shouild start a forum devoted to this. SMF offers a free forum, there a link at the bottom of the page.

Just a suggestion ;D


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,16139.new.html#new

I'll just put it here.  ;)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 12, 2009, 11:29:23 pm
Sounds good to me :)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on April 13, 2009, 10:34:11 am
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I beleive this is an insider reaching out to everyone else and this is how he did it.

Through the music?

The music is very dramatic and beautiful.  Reminds me of movies I went to see as a kid when they build up the drama to the climax point.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 13, 2009, 01:05:17 pm
The events described by this gentalman is also very dramatic.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 13, 2009, 02:57:31 pm
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The events described by this gentalman is also very dramatic.

Events?  Are these described in his blog, because i just started to read through it.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 13, 2009, 02:58:29 pm
That band E. S. Posthumus is very interesting, I took the following from their myspace page.   I found the information about their second album most interesting.



   About E.S. Posthumus
E.S. Posthumus is an independent music group that produces cinematic style music. It is a form of epic classical that fuses intertwined drum beats with orchestral and electronic sounds. Their music is inspired by the Pythagorean Philosophy which states that "music is the harmonization of opposites; the conciliation of warring elements". The E.S. is an acronym for "Experimental Sounds" while Posthumus is a word that represents "all things past".---------------------------- According to the group, E.S. Posthumus was formed in 2000 by brothers Helmut and Franz Vonlichten. Helmut and Franz studied piano with their mother. After graduating from high school, Franz worked in recording studios while Helmut attended and graduated from UCLA, with a degree in archaeology. -------------------------------------- E.S. Posthumus' music has been licensed by many movie and television production studios; being included in numerous movie trailers and television shows. For instance, the song Posthumus Zone was composed for the CBS Sports TV programs The NFL Today and The NFL on CBS. Despite their increasing popularity however, the Vonlichten brothers remain a mystery to many people. E.S. Posthumus have so far released one album, with a second album planned for release sometime in the near future.----------------------------------------------- Currently, E.S. Posthumus is the only group produced by the record company Wigshop Records. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- CARTOGRAPHER, the second album from E.S. Posthumus, was proposed to make its release sometime in 2006, though was later released in early 2008. The delay from the original release date can so far only be attributed to the brothers Vonlichten's ill concern with deadlines, as revealed in a May 2005 interview with Franz Vonlichten by SoundtrackNet.--------------------------------------------------------- Upon the album's release on the CDBaby website, it came accompanied with the following album description: "In 1929, the ancient map "Piri Reis" was discovered in Constantinople. The map is extraordinary because it depicts bays and islands on the Antarctic coast which have been concealed under ice for at least 6,000 years. What civilization was capable of such exploration that long ago? On "Cartographer", we imagine that these explorers were from the tiny island of Numa in the Southern Indian Ocean. As advanced seafarers, they navigated every corner of the Earth. We have created a language unique to them and tell stories through song that describe their creation, discoveries and ultimate demise.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 13, 2009, 03:29:32 pm
Now add this to what can be learned about,"Jerry".......
And boom.

I also sent friends requests to Richard Hoagland, and David Wilcock.
Compliments of Coast to coast AM.


http://www.myspace.com/divinecosmos
David Wilcock

An interesting message I just received is something you might very interesting.
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Planet X is a hoax. This has nothing to do with the 2012 event, as I've said for a decade on divinecosmos.com.

- David

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: ParaNormal I AM Network
To: David Wilcock
Date: Apr 13, 2009 1:56 PM
Subject: RE: 2012


This is one of the things I come across with this subject that I need to know more about. Is the video feeds really from the SPT? Or is this all disinformation to cover something else.

Even when I "follow the money", the answers seem to be very mysterious. Yet no smoking gun in sight. Something is going on.
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: David Wilcock
To: ParaNormal I AM Network
Date: Apr 13, 2009 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: 2012


The psyops department of the Pentagon is very entertaining indeed.

- David


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 14, 2009, 12:38:38 pm
Yes that is very interesting HerForNow.   It's as I suspected, disinformation painted as truth is being put out there to confuse and occupy our minds while behind the scenes the real agenda is already underway.



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on April 14, 2009, 01:24:53 pm
Dear........ WIND,.......... mr WELLS,.............. HereforeNOW.......... & ...........QOAIS,

What You don't know is that King NARAM- SIN wears Miniature" Elephant Horns"

on his" pointed " helmet and that the Red Feathers on king Osiris" pointed-White Helmet
were originally also two Elephant-Horns/tusks. the same with  God RESHEPH " pointed- Cap

BAAL actually is the Elephant God with Elephant tusks on his Helmet( forbidden after 855 bc.)

it is the Headgear of the Royal House'-members" KAP"  of the Pharaoh( Junior members wore Gems-Deer/Goat horns.)
and Moses ( supposed)LIGHTRAYS on his forehead ( From an Etching by painter Rembrandt.)

ADAM and EVE were originally egyptian vice-roys of Atlantis/ Aden/ EDEN.
ADAM was ATHAMAS and EVE was his( first-) wife:NEVELE/Nephele.

"LILLITH" is a word-text-corruption of:" LEUKOTHEA "LILLY-WHITE" white Goddess of the Sea"
She became the "WHITE- TARA"  of Hindu faith. Mother Neferti became the GREEN- TARA
+ CHAMUNDA (which was the Hindu- Elephant-Goddess/ HATHOR/ HECATHE= Elephant- Queen.)

In Egyptian,
ADAM was Amose- AHMOSE;
EVE was Amose NEFERTI- Meri- Amun
LILLITH WAS SITa- Kamose.

NIBIRU as a Dead Planet QOAIS surmises liker the Starwar's Death Star !
One of Saturn's moons called MIMAS has a giant impact crater called " Smokey"

NIBIRU as SATAN:
 the MOON was the Original SATAN
and it was originally Captured by Earth as a wandering satelite called EURYMEDA

(which collided with another wandering Satillite: Mercury/ Horus/ Hermes)
This caused te WAR of the GODS " or Hindu:" Churning of the Milkyway/Sea,in: 855 bc)

My dates for Atantis double Demise are 1055 bc( NOT 10.600 or 9.000 bc!)
and 855 bc the one that all Atlantologists have no knowlege about.)

Atlantologists who don't accept my "Three Blue- Rules of Thumb"
are still " hapilly barking up a wrong tree"( that's not presumptious it is a sad conclusion.) :'( :o :'(

your self-deception in the face of ( my) clearly contrary story-evidence makes me feel blue.

Sincerely- " BlueHue " dd 14 April -2009

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On the other hand Three seasons were represented by Three Wind or agricultural Gods:
Hades is winter Demeter is Summer, Persephone is Autumn and Appollo became God of Spring and the Muses later.


BlueHue, you may have actually uncovered my answer, this whole stele represents and records King Naram Sinís victory over the mountain people, I am willing to bet that the three suns represent how long it took him to do this.   The three suns represent three seasons perhaps, or one year.

Thank you BlueHue for taking the time to research this.           Sincerely Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 14, 2009, 02:01:06 pm
Blue hue, are you Hindu, Iím only asking because you seem to have a crazy obsession with elephants,


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on April 15, 2009, 02:39:18 pm
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Dear...........Mr.    WIND,  ( and 25 ' other Guests ' )

Have I ever told you that the Arabian God " ALLAH "actually was a White Arabian Elephant God ?
His  origional name was " BAAL-ATHE " meaning " LORD of ATLANTIS " :'(  - :o -  :'(

THE WHITE arabian Elephant STORY:
( Clasasipied as :"Elephas Maximus Assyrus.  Became "Extinct" in :855 bc.)
I just happened to discover that around 855 bc so the Paleontologists say,
that the Arabian White Elephant seemed to have become suddenly extinct
or disappeared without a trace, for no apparent reason.

I already knew that the MOON had fallen to EARTH in: 855 bc( as the LUCIFER or SATAN in the Bible.)
and that GOD-King Salmanasser-3 had waged a succesfull-war against a coalission of Egypt & local Palestinians
at the BATTLE of KAR-KAR in 853 bc.( at the ORONTES River in North-Palestine/Syria )

But it seems that prior to 853 GOD king Salmanasser-3 had waged an earlier WAR with SIEGE of the Capital of ARABY in ADEN.
At THIS siege in 855 bc the Assyrian Army was drowned by a Major Tsunami

BUT the ADEN inhabitants were pre-warned by the" WHAILING "of their " PETS "
the White Arabian Elephant.
so they stayed indoors while outside the Sieging Assyrians were drowned
And the White Arabian Elephants were solemny honored as the Watchmen on the Walls of ADEN.
The Avatars of the MOON

So I wondered where Plato got his notion of WATCHMEN living in BUNKHOUSES
on the Slopes of Atlantis from. Atlantis the GOLDEN palaces city.

Afterwards I heard about ATALA(= White City) and PATALA (= Golden Palaces on the Sea-Bottom.)
So I put TWO and TWO together that Atlantis suffered a SECOND  Tsunami
during the SIEGE of ADEN by an Assyrian Army in 855 bc

And the silence about the wonderfull life saver the White Arabian Elephant wo "suddenly disappered."
Around 855 bc the indian White Elephant Gods RUDRA & INDRA also " Suddenly disappered "

And in stead their Place in the Pantheon was stricken by some official CENSOR with Ruling- power in INDIA
A NEW God replaced them calling himself " The White Elephant killer" the New GOD SHIVA riding a BLACK buffaloo.

This man had himself pictured not on Wallpaintings nor on Statues but on decorated TILES
Standing Dancing with Arrows in hand within a RING of LOTUS- FLOWERS( Later mistaken for fire-flames.)
This man was dressed in an Assyrian King's outfit and called himself the New " GOD " who kills white Elephants !

it was not difficult to complete this fragmentated Puzzle into the Probable Story of "GOD" as King Salmanasser-3
Who must have killed-off THOUSANDS of innocent White Arabian Elephant just for his superstious believe
 that White Elephants caused the Eartquake that drowned his Assyrian Siege army !in 855 bc

I even now believe that teh Jewish/ Christian " GOD " was actually a Glossed  interloper named GOD- king Salmanasser-3
who went so FAR in his madness to eradicate the White Arabian Elephant on paper in the Bible.

The Socalled SNAKE/ SERPENT in the Paradise FIG-Tree that told EVE to Eat from the Tree of Knowledge
was actually not a Snake(=Naga watersnake.() at all but a four footed White arabian Elephant.

In the Book of GENESIS Book 3 Chapter 14-15
" GOD " rebuked that the SNAKE had done a terrible thing inciting ADEAM to become a GOD like " GOD " himself
"God"  would not allow ( other !)mortal men to become a living "GOD"  too ! BECAUSE " He was a jeallous " GOD " !)

So he ordained that " Hence forth" the watersnake wouldhave to " Crawl" on his belly and would loose his four paws
and to have to eat DUST

Strangely enough around the same timein Egypt's Gravewall paintings there appered out of nowhere" Suddenly "
pictures of FOUR pawed ( Winged-)SNAKES that are facing ( winged-)CATS with a Knife ready to cut-off their paws.


CONCLUSION ;D

The oldest " GOD " on Earth was not the BISON nor the BEAR but the WHITE Arabian Elephant called the GOD" EL "
He was also the God of Atlantis in the censored-form of the WHITE-STEEDs of POSEIDON(= an Elephant GOD !)
Thus Poseidon's STEED the Winged HIPPOCAMPUS was before 855 bc originally a WHITE arabian Elephant.

Only WE don't know that BECAUSE ' GOD King Salmanasser-3 suppressed that knowledge.
READERS and Forummembers that have NOT payed attention to this POST
will now ask where does it say the the white Arabian Elephant was originally the GOD of Atlantis ?
And they will shrug their shoulders and say " This is not a very" scientific" conclusion "

Sincerely " BlueHue  " dd 15 April- 2009 from Polly-Univ. of Delft/ Holland


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 15, 2009, 09:38:19 pm
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The oldest " GOD " on Earth was not the BISON nor the BEAR but the WHITE Arabian Elephant called the GOD" EL "
He was also the God of Atlantis in the censored-form of the WHITE-STEEDs of POSEIDON(= an Elephant GOD !)
Thus Poseidon's STEED the Winged HIPPOCAMPUS was before 855 bc originally a WHITE arabian Elephant.

 I be done seen 'bout ev'rything When I see a elephant fly  :o

Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 15, 2009, 09:42:10 pm
Iíve been doing a little research on the whole planets causing cataclysms theory, and I found this during my search. 

The following is a quote from the book Investigating the Unexplained by Paul Roland.
I found it interesting.

ďWhat I have discovered within our own solar system is quite contrary to what we have been told officially. For example, there are strong indications that there was once a planet between Mars and Jupiter where now there is only an asteroid belt. It may well be that one day science will discover that the debris of that asteroid belt is the remains of a once-fertile planet and that we are the alien visitors from that lost planet whom primitive man worshiped as gods. Modern man may be the extraterrestrial Ďmissing linkí between Homo erectus and Homo sapiens.
 The simple fact is that while young people could take this in at one go, the older generation, particularly those who have written the textbooks, couldnít handle a new reality. So government agencies seep the truth out a little at a time into the national psyche through unofficial channels such as the whole New Age/esoteric underground network. NASA simply canít come right out and say what theyíve found, so they do what politicians do. They filter out information through controlled leaks to the mass media and in sugar-coated form in movies, TV series like The X Files and Stargate. Ideas that were once the exclusive preserve of Ďeccentricí esoterics are now generally accepted thanks to the influence of the X Files and big budget Hollywood movies like Close Encounters and Independence Day.Ē


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 15, 2009, 09:46:39 pm
This is another article that I found very interesting, it has an angle that I had never considered before, and that is, that Mars was itself at one point in time the moon of a much larger planet.



Mars as a Moon of the Exploded Planet

The most striking aspect of Tom Van Flandernís research is his conclusion that Mars Ė an exceedingly small planet it should be noted Ė was once a satellite, i.e. a moon, of a larger planet which exploded. Van Flandernís primary evidence for this theory is the fact that the main asteroid belt begins in the vicinity of Mars (incidentally, he hypothesizes a second exploded planet to account for the material in the outer region of the main asteroid belt). Van Flandern refers to this notional ex parent planet of Mars as ĎPlanet Ví.

Was Mars a moon? Was Mars devastated by the explosion of its parent, Planet V?

In a 1998 article Van Flandern highlighted the fact that the boundary between the thick and thin crust on Mars was Ďclose to being a great circle around the planetí, with a strikingly sudden transition between thick and thin crust regions.(11) He then went on to suggest that one hemisphere of Mars (now the southern hemisphere) had been buried in debris from the explosion of its nearby parent, Planet V. Due to the proximity of Mars Ė as a satellite of Planet V Ė the opposite hemisphere had escaped any direct hits from the explosive blast.

Van Flandern noted that the exploded planet scenario gave rise to several specific predictions concerning the destruction of the Martian atmosphere and changes to its spin axis and rotation. These predictions, he noted, were fully satisfied by observed data.

Furthermore, Van Flandern observed that if Planet V had had oceans of water (and the evidence suggests that it indeed did) then the explosion of Planet V would have caused a one-off catastrophic flooding of the Martian surface. Once again, this was in total accord with the observed data. (Note: these floodwaters might, in fact, have originated from the explosion of a moon of Planet V, rather than Planet V itself.)

But the most intriguing aspect of Van Flandernís armory of evidence is the unusual abundance on Mars of the rare element Xenon-129 (nearly triple the normal amount). Xenon-129 is a second order nuclear fission by-product, and although mainstream astronomers trace this element to an ancient supernova, their theory does not explain why there is seemingly such an abundance of it on Mars in particular.

Might the abundance of Xenon-129 on Mars have been caused by the explosion of its parent, Planet V?


 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Horus on April 15, 2009, 10:43:17 pm
So government agencies seep the truth out a little at a time into the national psyche through unofficial channels such as the whole New Age/esoteric underground network. NASA simply canít come right out and say what theyíve found, so they do what politicians do. They filter out information through controlled leaks to the mass media and in sugar-coated form in movies, TV series like The X Files and Stargate. Ideas that were once the exclusive preserve of Ďeccentricí esoterics are now generally accepted thanks to the influence of the X Files and big budget Hollywood movies like Close Encounters and Independence Day.Ē

Hi Wind,

There's no way that I could ever buy the idea that the New Age movement is a government conspiracy!  The two are as polar opposite as two things can be.

As for the 'controlled leaks' via Hollywood etc.  more than likely it is quite the opposite --disinformation tactics designed to put real phenomena into the category of "fantasy fiction".  When people report such phenomena, the public at large writes it all off as another crack-pot hoax because it's too much like a "movie" they saw!  On the flipside, Independence Day, Signs, and Fire in the Sky keep people fear-based about extraterrestrial contact --as if all aliens would only come here to conquer, enslave, exterminate or experiment upon us in a cruel manner!  I can't help but wonder if that's being done to prepare us to resist overtures from advanced, enlightened beings who may wish to invite us into a larger, Galactic community, and so the Powers-that-Be keep us in the Dark and under their control.  It won't work, but I guess they have to try! lol


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 16, 2009, 12:20:19 am
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I can't help but wonder if that's being done to prepare us to resist advanced enlightened beings who may wish to invite us into a larger Galactic community, and keep us in the dark and control.  It won't workl but they have to try! lol

You probably right Horus, it would make sense for them to turn us against those who threaten their power.

Actually I was more interested in the first part, ;D

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ďWhat I have discovered within our own solar system is quite contrary to what we have been told officially. For example, there are strong indications that there was once a planet between Mars and Jupiter where now there is only an asteroid belt. It may well be that one day science will discover that the debris of that asteroid belt is the remains of a once-fertile planet and that we are the alien visitors from that lost planet whom primitive man worshiped as gods. Modern man may be the extraterrestrial Ďmissing linkí between Homo erectus and Homo sapiens.

I have believed for some time that we didn't originate here, but I think that we came from further than Mars!


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Mario Dantas on April 16, 2009, 06:06:32 am
Dear Wind,

Two belts within our Solar System: the Kuiper Belt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuiper_belt

and the Asteroid Belt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_belt


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/InnerSolarSystem-en.png)


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The asteroid belt is the region of the Solar System located roughly between the orbits of the planets Mars and Jupiter. It is occupied by numerous irregularly shaped bodies called asteroids or minor planets. The asteroid belt region is also termed the main belt to distinguish it from other concentrations of minor planets within the Solar System, such as the Kuiper belt and scattered disc.
More than half the mass of the main belt is contained in the four largest objects: Ceres, 4 Vesta, 2 Pallas, and 10 Hygiea. All of these have mean diameters of more than 400 km, while Ceres, the main belt's only dwarf planet, is about 950 km in diameter.[1][2][3][4] The remaining bodies range down to the size of a dust particle. The asteroid material is so thinly distributed that multiple unmanned spacecraft have traversed it without incident. Nonetheless, collisions between large asteroids do occur, and these can form an asteroid family whose members have similar orbital characteristics and compositions. Collisions also produce a fine dust that forms a major component of the zodiacal light. Individual asteroids within the main belt are categorized by their spectra, with most falling into three basic groups: carbonaceous (C-type), silicate (S-type), and metal-rich (M-type).
The asteroid belt formed from the primordial solar nebula as a group of planetesimals, the smaller precursors of the planets. Between Mars and Jupiter, however, gravitational perturbations from the giant planet imbued the planetesimals with too much orbital energy for them to accrete into a planet. Collisions became too violent, and instead of sticking together, the planetesimals shattered. As a result, most of the main belt's mass has been lost since the formation of the Solar System. Some fragments can eventually find their way into the inner Solar System, leading to meteorite impacts with the inner planets. Asteroid orbits continue to be appreciably perturbed whenever their period of revolution about the Sun forms an orbital resonance with Jupiter. At these orbital distances, a Kirkwood gap occurs as they are swept into other orbits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_belt

regards,
Mario Dantas


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods Demise of Moon bouncing off MARS dd 855 bc.
Post by: BlueHue on April 16, 2009, 06:38:09 am
Dear.................Mr..WIND.

There is debris on one side of MARS but that is originating from the other side of MARS
Once the Earth's Moon got too close to Mars closest orbit to Earth's orbit( = every 50-th Year.)

And the Mars-Bouncing-Moon kicked Mars debris all over the Place but also to Earth
These MARS- fragments fell to Earth as " MARUTS " into the Arabian Desert at historical times,

when Earth was still in the PANGEA-Phase/State and all Deserts were still coverred with Shallow Inland Seas !
Even the Bible recorded that the LIGHT Angel(= the Moon.)fell to Earth" as a SATAN " but passed-by eventually

persued by a GOOD arch-Angel called MICHAEL(= Planet VENUS.)
who killed the  fiercy Moon-Dragon by launching arrows to it
These " Arrows were planetary impact debris.

Afterwards Planet MARS returned to Earth in his closest Orbit,
as the Arch-Angel GABRIEL carrying a Flaming Sword.
Or that is what Mars-debris looked like when after launching it
fell back ( to the other side of Marse leaving a Hole where it came from)

where the Moon had hit  planet Mars, a depression was the result
and at the Opposite side Mount-Olympus was raised aloft.

like publisher Andrew Collins in his Geolid Cartoons prooved that PANGEA
must have been the result of a Planetary collision with earth on ONE side,
creating a depression and a BUMP or mountainlifting(= Andes. Himalayans.)
on the opposit side !)

The Planet MERCURY actually means:" SON of MARS "
and maybe the one Collision of MOON with planet MARS( dd 855 bc.)
caused her Iron Core to eject and become the Iron Planet Mercury

Astrophysicists call Mercurt teh IRON-Planet coverred with a thin layer of Rigolite or Silicium
 and the Planet MARS a loose batch of stones covered with a thin Layer of Iron-Dust( from evaporated water.)

MEANWHILE we do know that MARS is the Mirror immage of Earth
( Albeit 50 % smaller not counting th eEjected Core-Planet Mercury !)

The Planet between Mars and Jupiter theory is not existant:

The Asteroid-Belt contains Granits and Basalt rocks
with geological strata and Pyroclastic substance
Thus they are Ripped off from Planet Mars itself,
Probably from the ( Earth whitnessed-)Moon collision
 
Roughly, Planet MARS, must have had the same Mass and weight as Planet Earth( and Venus.)
it is conceivable thatonmars only Plantlife was possible no Fossil record has been "un-Mars-ed "! yet.

In the Egyptian Mythology Planet MARS was named OSIRIS
on whom a Coffin-lid was closed( actually the Dust after a planetary collision.)
in the Greek Mythology this EVENT was described as TWO Growing GIANTS
 
( OTROS & EPHIALTOS or Porphyrios.)
 who" Envelloped" planet Mars with a Golden DUST-cloud.)

or were said to have put MARS prisoner in a golden Vase during the " WAR of the GODS ".

I Egypt, Planet-MOON was named SETH/ Sethet/ THOT/ PTHA/  HATHOR,  etc.
HECATE ( Selena-)and HAEPHAISTOS( Dionyssos-) were the female and Male names for MOON.

In my " Blue" theory  Hephaistos was thrown to Earth from the mount Olympos TWICE
corresponding with a double Moon bounce-off Earth in 1055 and 855 bc but who cares?
 nobody but me has gotten" Wind " of it ( Not even Mr.WIND'.)

Sincerely. " BlueHue " from: Polly-Univ. of Delft/ Holland dd 16-th April- 2009

This is another article that I found very interesting, it has an angle that I had never considered before, and that is, that Mars was itself at one point in time the moon of a much larger planet.

Mars as a Moon of the Exploded Planet

The most striking aspect of Tom Van Flandernís research is his conclusion that Mars Ė an exceedingly small planet it should be noted Ė was once a satellite, i.e. a moon, of a larger planet which exploded. Van Flandernís primary evidence for this theory is the fact that the main asteroid belt begins in the vicinity of Mars (incidentally, he hypothesizes a second exploded planet to account for the material in the outer region of the main asteroid belt). Van Flandern refers to this notional ex parent planet of Mars as ĎPlanet Ví.

Was Mars a moon? Was Mars devastated by the explosion of its parent, Planet V?

In a 1998 article Van Flandern highlighted the fact that the boundary between the thick and thin crust on Mars was Ďclose to being a great circle around the planetí, with a strikingly sudden transition between thick and thin crust regions.(11) He then went on to suggest that one hemisphere of Mars (now the southern hemisphere) had been buried in debris from the explosion of its nearby parent, Planet V. Due to the proximity of Mars Ė as a satellite of Planet V Ė the opposite hemisphere had escaped any direct hits from the explosive blast.

Van Flandern noted that the exploded planet scenario gave rise to several specific predictions concerning the destruction of the Martian atmosphere and changes to its spin axis and rotation. These predictions, he noted, were fully satisfied by observed data.

Furthermore, Van Flandern observed that if Planet V had had oceans of water (and the evidence suggests that it indeed did) then the explosion of Planet


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods/ the WHITE -Elephant GOD of Atlantis: "GANEESHA"
Post by: BlueHue on April 16, 2009, 06:59:23 am
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DEAR..........Mr......New-Ager...........WIND, ,,,,,,,,,,,,, ( QOAIS, &  21  other  ' Guests '  viewing  this  TOPIC - Page.)


If you as " NEW- AGER adherent" don't believe in ( Pink-)Flying Elephants

than look in WIKKIPAEDIA on GANEESHA( meaning:" ELEPHANT- KING.")

This is a PINK and WINGED Elephant with four arms !

Originally the Addition of the Word/ noun " Flying " had nothing to do with that mechanical motion
But it was a way of EXPRESSING the elevated position  of a Government person.

Thus the ( Human/ Cornac-)OFFICIAL- to whom applyied the ancient word " Flying Elephant "
 should be correctly translated by " HIGH EXALTED Office-bearer". This ancient official
we recognize back as the CHESS-Piece Called:" ROOK or BISHOP".

That Elephants once were regarded as the " Highest -acropolis-seated GOD"
may be expressed with the Titel of the POPE in the TAROT Card gamepack:
" HIEROPHANT"
Thus representing the erstwhile "GOD of Atlantis " the WHITE holi- ELPHANT.

Sincerely " BlueHue " dd 16-th April- 2009 from: Polly-Univ.of Delft/ Holland

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The oldest " GOD " on Earth was not the BISON nor the BEAR but the WHITE Arabian Elephant called the GOD" EL "
He was also the God of Atlantis in the censored-form of the WHITE-STEEDs of POSEIDON(= an Elephant GOD !)
Thus Poseidon's STEED the Winged HIPPOCAMPUS was before 855 bc originally a WHITE arabian Elephant.
I be done, seen 'bout ev'rything, When I seen a pink- Elephant fly  :o Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 16, 2009, 11:05:32 am
That was intended as a joke Blue hue! loosen up man! 8) Laugh a little ;D  We can't be serious all the time or life would become stale stagnant and boring. ;D 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 16, 2009, 11:07:02 am
Thanks for the information Mario, I found it very useful :)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 16, 2009, 11:11:13 am
I be done seen 'bout ev'rything When I see a elephant fly 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOcVkofa1AU


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on April 16, 2009, 11:56:01 am
Quote from Blue Hue:

The oldest " GOD " on Earth was not the BISON nor the BEAR but the WHITE Arabian Elephant called the GOD" EL "
He was also the God of Atlantis in the censored-form of the WHITE-STEEDs of POSEIDON(= an Elephant GOD !)Thus Poseidon's STEED the Winged HIPPOCAMPUS was before 855 b.c. originally a WHITE Arabian Elephant.ʾ

Ēl  is the Northwest Semitic word for "deity" , cognate to Arabic ʾilāh and Akkadian ilum.

In the Canaanite religion, or Levantine religion as a whole, El or Il was the supreme god, the father of humankind and all creatures and the husband of the Goddess Asherah as attested in the tablets of Ugarit.

The word El was found at the top of a list of gods as the Ancient of Gods or the Father of all Gods, in the ruins of the Royal Library of the Ebla civilization, in the archaeological site of Tell Mardikh in Syria dated to 2300 BC. He may have been a desert god at some point, as the myths say that he had two wives and built a sanctuary with them and his new children in the desert. El had fathered many gods, but most important were Hadad, Yam and Mot, each of whom has similar attributes to the Greek gods Zeus, Poseidon or Ophion and Hades or Thanatos respectively. Ancient Greek mythographers identified El with Cronus (not Chronos).

Where's the white elephant?


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Horus on April 16, 2009, 01:17:02 pm
pweor of the hmuan mnid

The paomnnehil pweor of the hmuan mnid.

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the
huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

Pterty amzanig huh?


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on April 16, 2009, 01:21:38 pm
And what was the point?


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 16, 2009, 01:44:06 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxtJGoZjgRs&feature=player_embedded


Everything is not without a cause and effect.
Soon we will know the truth and nothing any of us does will matter until that point.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 16, 2009, 01:48:32 pm
pweor of the hmuan mnid

The paomnnehil pweor of the hmuan mnid.

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the
huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

Pterty amzanig huh?

That is amazing and I was able to read it....
Good test...

Reading between the lines is what I get out of it.
Horus rocks.....


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods the TABOO of the Elephant as a GOD.
Post by: BlueHue on April 16, 2009, 01:54:46 pm
EL as Flying( meaning High= Exalted )Elephant was GANEESHA( litterally: " Elephant-King.)
When " GOD "=King Salmanasser-3 Tabooed the White Elephant(in: 855 bc.) he replaced it with a LION
LION or LEON meeans:" EL -on" the god of the Waters, which was an EPITHAPH of POSEIDON.

The Egyptian Kings called themselves " STRONG  AS  A BULL " ( which originally meant " Elephant-BULL.")
But " GOD " King Salmanasser's Elephant TABOO action effectively stopped all knowledge of Elephnats as GODS of Punt/ Atlantis
Safe GANEESHA because he as ab old INDIAN GOD wassafely  out of Reach of the Realm of Assur.

Does this answer satisfy your Question ? :'( :o :'(


Quote from Blue Hue:

The oldest " GOD " on Earth was not the BISON nor the BEAR but the WHITE Arabian Elephant called the GOD" EL "
He was also the God of Atlantis in the censored-form of the WHITE-STEEDs of POSEIDON(= an Elephant GOD !)Thus Poseidon's STEED the Winged HIPPOCAMPUS was before 855 b.c. originally a WHITE Arabian Elephant.ʾ

Ēl  is the Northwest Semitic word for "deity" , cognate to Arabic ʾilāh and Akkadian ilum.

In the Canaanite religion, or Levantine religion as a whole, El or Il was the supreme god, the father of humankind and all creatures and the husband of the Goddess Asherah as attested in the tablets of Ugarit.

The word El was found at the top of a list of gods as the Ancient of Gods or the Father of all Gods, in the ruins of the Royal Library of the Ebla civilization, in the archaeological site of Tell Mardikh in Syria dated to 2300 BC. He may have been a desert god at some point, as the myths say that he had two wives and built a sanctuary with them and his new children in the desert. El had fathered many gods, but most important were Hadad, Yam and Mot, each of whom has similar attributes to the Greek gods Zeus, Poseidon or Ophion and Hades or Thanatos respectively. Ancient Greek mythographers identified El with Cronus (not Chronos).

Where's the white elephant?


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Horus on April 16, 2009, 02:25:10 pm
Hi Wind,

I seem to recall someone telling me that the planet between Mars and Jupiter was called "Muldek" (sp?) and also "Malona".  Have you ever watched the 5-part "Legend of Atlantis" series by the German prophet Elia? It's an excellent, visually-rich series and the first episode "Dawn of the Gods" speaks of Malona right off the bat:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3660252526123033330

Episodes 3 and 4 are also well-worth watching if you are interested in the spiritual paradigm shift (ascension), earthchanges, E.T.s etc.  and can accessed at Google:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Legend+of+Atlantis+part&emb=0#

There's some pretty trippy stuff there, and I don't agree with all of it ,but it is food for thought which I have digested many times.  ;) 
  ~H.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 16, 2009, 04:17:17 pm
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pweor of the hmuan mnid

The paomnnehil pweor of the hmuan mnid.

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the
huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

Pterty amzanig huh?

That was truly awesome Horus! WOW my head is still spinning ;D.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 16, 2009, 04:19:18 pm
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Everything is not without a cause and effect.
Soon we will know the truth and nothing any of us does will matter until that point.

Great Video HereForNow, Itís ultimate message was incredible.  Everything thatís happened since humanityís conception has been evolving us towards the birth of a new conciousness, (At least that's what I got out of it.) We are currently in the birthing stage and are thus feeling the pangs.



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 16, 2009, 04:22:18 pm
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Have you ever watched the 5-part "Legend of Atlantis" series by the German prophet Elia? It's an excellent, visually-rich series and the first episode "Dawn of the Gods" speaks of Malona right off the bat:

I donít think that Iíve seen them before Horus, Iíll check them out though and get back to you. Thanks for the link. ;D


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on April 17, 2009, 02:18:36 pm
You got the concept of the film...
Amazing isn't? Didn't need words to express the idea.

This is what point I want to make.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 18, 2009, 12:04:04 am
Very interesting video Horus, it basically says the same thing that Michael Tsarion teaches. I have always found his teachings to be pretty close to reality.  Some of the rituals going on in the background are odd, but the information I thought was well presented.

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You got the concept of the film...
Amazing isn't? Didn't need words to express the idea.

This is what point I want to make.

It is quite amazing HereForNow, the old saying is proved true once again, actions speak louder than words  :)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Horus on April 19, 2009, 01:13:14 am
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Very interesting video Horus, it basically says the same thing that Michael Tsarion teaches.

 ???  Ummm...not quite.  1) this material predates Tsarion 2) while there may be a couple of common elements between the two, the concepts are totally, radically different.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 19, 2009, 01:52:22 am
In what way?


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 19, 2009, 11:53:50 am
Quote
   Ummm...not quite.  1) this material predates Tsarion 2) while there may be a couple of common elements between the two, the concepts are totally, radically different.

Of course this predates Tsarion! It predates us all!  You can paint the old barn however you like Horus, but itís still gonna be an old barn.   With this thread Iíve tried to prove one point, and thatís the fact that the names of people and places may be different but the story is the same.   Tsarion may have worded it differently, but he tells the same story, and itís a story that Iíve heard retold over and over, and in many different ways. 

Let me put this another way:

Hypothetically letís say that Italy blows up and sinks into the sea.  As it does you have reporters from every country on earth big and small watching it happen, lets also say that each of these reporters have different religious beliefs and come from every different background that you can think of.   Now after this catastrophe has taken place each of the reporters return to their home to write their view of what happened.
If you were to take there stories and put them together do you really think that they would all be the same? Probably not!   Each person Iím sure would be influenced by their individual beliefs and backgrounds and give different reasons as to why this all happened, whether it be the will of God or human error or just coincidence.  The how who and why may differ, but the what is still in tact.   The event is recorded, but the details are just one reporters observations.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Horus on April 20, 2009, 09:21:15 am
(http://fantasyartdesign.com/free-wallpapers/imgs/new/Magic_Mountain_800.jpg)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on April 20, 2009, 12:41:40 pm
In what way

This book on Atlantis is from the hand of Von Danniken(" Chariots of the Gods.;")
Niburu, Malori or Theia are not passing Meteors or Planets is was our MOON all along !
:'( :o :'(


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 20, 2009, 11:48:27 pm
I like the picture Horus, it gives me a new outlook toward mother earth ;D


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Horus on April 21, 2009, 09:31:32 am
City Found In India Irradiated By Nuclear Blast 8,000 Years Ago...

http://www.isleofavalon.co.uk/edu/g-bank/articles/anctcity.html
This file shared with KeelyNet courtesy of Bryant Stavely.
Excerpt from the World Island Review, January 1992.
9-10-00

Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous
 
A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.
 
For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945.
 
The Mahabharata clearly describes a catastrophic blast that rocked the continent. "A single projectile charged with all the power in the Universe...An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as 10,000 suns, rose in all its splendor...it was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes an entire race.
 
"The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. Their hair and nails fell out, pottery broke without any apparent cause, and the birds turned white.
 
"After a few hours, all foodstuffs were infected. To escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves into the river."
 
Historian Kisari Mohan Ganguli says that Indian sacred writings are full of such descriptions, which sound like an atomic blast as experienced in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He says references mention fighting sky chariots and final weapons. An ancient battle is described in the Drona Parva, a section of the Mahabharata. "The passage tells of combat where explosions of final weapons decimate entire armies, causing crowds of warriors with steeds and elephants and weapons to be carried away as if they were dry leaves of trees," says Ganguli.
 
"Instead of mushroom clouds, the writer describes a perpendicular explosion with its billowing smoke clouds as consecutive openings of giant parasols. There are comments about the contamination of food and people's hair falling out."
 
Archeologist Francis Taylor says that etchings in some nearby temples he has managed to translate suggest that they prayed to be spared from the great light that was coming to lay ruin to the city. "It's so mid-boggling to imagine that some civilization had nuclear technology before we did. The radioactive ash adds credibility to the ancient Indian records that describe atomic warfare."
 
Construction has halted while the five member team conducts the investigation. The foreman of the project is Lee Hundley, who pioneered the investigation after the high level of radiation was discovered.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on April 26, 2009, 01:28:01 am
I just stumbled across this video, and since it kind of goes along with what weíve been discussing I thought Iíd share it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDF1Ux_1vwQ


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 04, 2009, 12:55:44 pm
History & Mystery


http://changingfaceoftime.com/History_Mystery.htm

This is a link to an excellent page that not only has the Legend of Atlantis videos, it also has  The Destruction Of Atlantis by Michael Tsarion and several other videos about the Anunnaki and 2012



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 06, 2009, 03:49:56 am
From what I have seen Micheal Tsarion us a Hoaxer or a fraud  like CAYCE too. (To me 'Blue Hue,  Atlantis in America is definitely a HOAX.)The picture of this Chinese WIND - DIAL from a Mah Yong Game is very esthetic.
History & Mystery


http://changingfaceoftime.com/History_Mystery.htm

This is a link to an excellent page that not only has the Legend of Atlantis videos, it also has  The Destruction Of Atlantis by Michael Tsarion and several other videos about the Anunnaki and 2012




Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 06, 2009, 11:03:15 am
Blue Hue, after years of research I have came to the same conclusions as Tsarion, he is no more a hoaxer than am I. and unlike certain other theories out there he backs his up with fact! and substantial proof!  Blue Hue saying a thing and being able to prove it are completely different.

For example

Quote
From what I have seen Micheal Tsarion us a Hoaxer or a fraud  like CAYCE too.

This is just a statement completely un-backed by any fact or proof.  

So my challenge to you is this!   You say that Tsarion is wrong, prove it!
 


Though they might like to think they could, there isnít a person here at A.O who could last a minute and a half in a debate against Michael Tsarion, myself included!


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 07, 2009, 02:42:16 pm
Dear  mr. WIND,

Look,  I forget what was precisely M. TSARIONS point
 but the Mid Atlantic ridge can hardly be named Atlantis origin.

Atlantis as an OCEANIC  ISLE is  a latin mis-translation from an already corrupted greek text.
Atlantis was a promontory / subsided volcano in the gulf of Aden which the ancient Greeks named PONTOS.

Atlantis in America is a bestseller HOAX by CAYCE who sold his american audience a FALSH -new- Tradition and they cherished it
I am sure that my THUMB-nail rules cab withstand any " Other theory " just try it out

Recently NIKIAS has challenged me on that and I could reply satifactorly on every " Debuke that he tought to score.

Would you please restate a summary of M. Tsarion's essential findings ? You know rthat I am an Korsakoff/ Alzheimer syndrome patient ?  THANK  YOU !

Sincerely " Blue Hue  "

PS
although the carton Movie of Lord of the rings Flopped a bit it is still a nice subject !

'The STOPRY of thwe :" THUATA DE DANNAN " may actually be of Atlantis and thus cannot have occurred in Ierland if they were just passing immigrants !

thus their SAGA must have been formulated before they enterred Ierland.

thesae THUATZA de DANNAN or " Sons of DAN " came in my Theory/ opinion directly by boat from ADEN in ARABY.
Blue Hue, after years of research I have came to the same conclusions as Tsarion, he is no more a hoaxer than am I. and unlike certain other theories out there he backs his up with fact! and substantial proof!  Blue Hue saying a thing and being able to prove it are completely different.

For example

Quote
From what I have seen Micheal Tsarion us a Hoaxer or a fraud  like CAYCE too.

This is just a statement completely un-backed by any fact or proof.  

So my challenge to you is this!   You say that Tsarion is wrong, prove it!
 


Though they might like to think they could, there isnít a person here at A.O who could last a minute and a half in a debate against Michael Tsarion, myself included!



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 15, 2009, 10:29:56 am
Well it's may 15th and you know what that means ;)   I'll be outside tonight looking to the south.   Anyone else here going to be checking out the rumored appearance of Nibiru?

I don't know if I'll even be able to see the sky though.   It's funny, here we've been having beautiful cloudless days but the minute night roles around the sky suddenly fills with clouds preceded by chemtrails!  Very interesting I think :o   Or maybe it could just be coincidence ;D

Anyways I'll be on later to report what I saw, if anything at all.   I'd like to believe that I'll see something tonight, but from past experience I don't.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 16, 2009, 01:28:29 am
Well I went up into the mountains tonight and as I had suspected I didn't see a thing, no Nibiru.   It was another false prediction, just like october 14th 2008, and august of 2003.
At least this time I knew better and didn't get all worked up over it ;D


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on May 16, 2009, 08:50:40 am
You didn't REALLY think there'd be anything did you?  You'll be better off in August when Mars come in real close and looks like it's mating with the moon!


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 16, 2009, 09:31:00 am
THERE is a time
in the calender that the ORBITS OF Mars & Moon HAVE THEIR CLOSEST CYCLIC ORBIT AROUND EARTH !

This is named the CONJUNCTION of Mars & Moon. in 1055 & 855 bc these" Conjunctions " caused two giant Tsunamies that floodded'Atlantis' ( in Aden.)

The Moon is a former satelite of planet Venus that Earth captured around 1.000 bc but which orbit was erratic.
The babylonians named this Erratic-orbit Moon the NIBURU-planet and figured that IF undisturbed it woukd have hit Earth in 2012 ad.

But as it turned out, mars BECAME IN THE WAY OF " NIBURU/MOON, LOST IT'S" TEETH"(= THE ' MARUTS') AND Moon/Niburu hit6 earth much earlier in 1055 bc at Antartica and 200 yeares later at Hawaii in 855 bc.

In the Blue Thumbnail Rules for locating Atlantis in Aden.

You didn't REALLY think there'd be anything did you?  You'll be better off in August when Mars come in real close and looks like it's mating with the moon!


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on May 16, 2009, 10:37:50 am
THERE is a time
in the calender that the ORBITS OF Mars & Moon HAVE THEIR CLOSEST CYCLIC ORBIT AROUND EARTH !

This is named the CONJUNCTION of Mars & Moon. in 1055 & 855 bc these" Conjunctions " caused two giant Tsunamies that floodded'Atlantis' ( in Aden.)

The Moon is a former satelite of planet Venus that Earth captured around 1.000 bc but which orbit was erratic.
The babylonians named this Erratic-orbit Moon the NIBURU-planet and figured that IF undisturbed it woukd have hit Earth in 2012 ad.

But as it turned out, mars BECAME IN THE WAY OF " NIBURU/MOON, LOST IT'S" TEETH"(= THE ' MARUTS') AND Moon/Niburu hit6 earth much earlier in 1055 bc at Antartica and 200 yeares later at Hawaii in 855 bc.

In the Blue Thumbnail Rules for locating Atlantis in Aden.

You didn't REALLY think there'd be anything did you?  You'll be better off in August when Mars come in real close and looks like it's mating with the moon!

The moon has been orbiting the earth for billions of years.  Not since 1,000 b.c.  Where did you get 1,000 b.c. from?


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 16, 2009, 10:54:08 am
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You didn't REALLY think there'd be anything did you?  You'll be better off in August when Mars come in real close and looks like it's mating with the moon!

No I didn't Qoais but I don't toss out an idea or theory until I can prove it wrong, and that's exactly what I did last night! I proved it wrong  ;D
For some strange reason I honestly don't think that Nibiru is out there anymore, or a threat to Earth, I think that problem was taken care of long ago 8)

Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on May 17, 2009, 09:30:22 am
Well, according to Sitchin, their atmosphere was degrading already way back then and somehow (although I'm no scientist) I can't imagine them harvesting enough gold to sprinkle their atmosphere with, to solve the problem.  Also, Their planet gets so far away from the sun, they would have frozen to death.  Therefore, I doubt there ever was a planet Nibiru orbiting our sun.  It's quite possible way back in the  mists of time, when the galaxie was forming, a rogue planet came thru bumping into stuff and wreaking havoc, but how would the "gods" Enki and Enlil and so forth, know of this and give it to us as our history?  They supposedly just stumbled upon this planet by accident, so what would they know of it's history? 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 19, 2009, 03:20:53 am
Dear......................Q,

Around 1600 bc, The original Assyrians & Babylonians were( albeit temporary-)Vassal-kingdoms of Egypt's since the  ELEVEN Dynasty( Velikovsky's Time Line: 1255 bc.)

Only after 1.000 bc the " NEO- Assyrians and " NEO" Babylonians who freed themselves from egyptian overlordship may have Locally Coloured the original Egyptian LORE, to babylonian standards.

Thus their religious Lore probably came directly from Egypt translated into Aramaeiic or " Assyrian"
ENKI  & ENLIL Were probably the egyptian Kings Kamoses & Ahmoses,
NIBURU was not our Satelite for millions of years, nor wasa the MOON

Niburu is the Assyrian/ Babylonian name for this captured" Roguie " MOON- Satelite.
Dr Velikovsky thinks that Planet VENUS was NIBURU because she was a rogue-Planet too.

But most Atlantologists don't know that in GREEK/ PUNICIAN Mythology despite their " PERSEUS- TUFT" ready-Knowledge,
MOON was the daughter of Venus when she entered this Solarsystem and passed through Jupiter's RED- SPOT.( in 1055 bc.)
and MERCURY was the "Son" of MARS & Venus when they collided also in 1055 bc.

However when VENUS/ "Athene " collided with MARS, ther moon broke it's orbit around Venus
and started a nwew orbit aroundMars but Bumped/ dumped Mars for Earth( Twice, before it's Earth orbit became stable.in 855 bc.)

CONCLUSION:

NIBURU was ATON in the Egyptian Pantheon, and named : EURYNOME,( 1055 bc.) and later: DIONE/ Aphrodite/ Dione-Nyssos.( 855 bc.)

Sincerely " Blue Hue  " dd May-19---2009


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on May 19, 2009, 10:42:14 am
This little tidbit is known as The Giant Impactor Theory and in my opinion the best theory on how the moon was created.  Enjoy.  :)

Scientists say that 4.5 billion years ago an asteroid or small (Mars-sized) planet came careening through space and crashed into the proto-Earth. As a result of the titanic collision the impacting planet was vaporized and huge, superheated fragments of Earth's outer layer were flung into space, creating a cloud of debris that circled the planet. Eventually, the orbiting debris coalesced to form the proto-moon.

As it formed in the debris cloud around Earth, the proto-moon swept up large and small fragments from around the solar system. In the absence of an atmospheric shield to protect it, the moon became the target of a tremendous pelting that lasted more than 100 million years.

The largest impacts from asteroids pockmarked the lunar surface and formed large craters and basins, some of which were later flooded with enormous lava flows to form great plains known as maria or seas. The maria are visible to the naked eye from Earth, and the patterns they form with the moon's highlands are what people often refer to as the "man on the moon."

There is no god named Aton in the Egyptian pantheon.  Where are you getting your information Blue?





Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 19, 2009, 10:42:55 am
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However when VENUS/ "Athene " collided with MARS, ther moon broke it's orbit around Venus
and started a nwew orbit aroundMars but Bumped/ dumped Mars for Earth

Blue Hue, Venus is traveling through space at a maximum speed of 78,875 mph, and Mars at 53,900 miles per hour. When two object collide and combine so does the speed at which they were traveling. The combined speed of Mars and Venus colliding would be at or around 132.775 MILES PER HOUR! :o   This is a law of physics called the Momentum conservation: In a collision occurring between object 1 and object 2, the total momentum of the two objects before the collision is equal to the total momentum of the two objects after the collision.

So Blue Hue as you would put it! In conclusion, if what youíre saying is true, then there would be no Mars and no Venus and NO MOON!  That kind of collision would have left nothing but debris and Asteroids :'(.



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 19, 2009, 10:50:30 am
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There is no god named Aton in the Egyptian pantheon.  Where are you getting your information Blue?

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Aten (or Aton) was the disk of the sun in ancient Egyptian mythology, and originally an aspect of Ra. He became the deity of the monotheistic ó in fact, monistic ó religion Atenism of Amenhotep IV, who took the name Akhenaten. The worship of Aten seemed to stop shortly after Akhenaten's death. In his poem "Hymn to Aten," Akhenaten praises Aten as the creator, and giver of life.

It's sun worship Robert, plain and simple.   Michael Tsarion believes that the Cult of Aton still operates today. They are better known now by their Illuminating title, The Illuminati.  ;D





Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on May 19, 2009, 11:17:04 am
Yes I know of Aten and if Blue just misspelled my apologies.  The worship of the Aten stopped after his death mainly because the majority of the population were unhappy with the abrupt change in the state religion, especially the priests who had a great deal of power under the polytheistic religion.  So when he died they simply returned to worshiping the plethora of gods and goddesses that they were accustomed to for generations.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 19, 2009, 11:38:13 am
Dear........... ROBERT

No, not quite, the Amun religion  was co-existend with the Aton religion, only the AMUN- Priesthood
felt slighted in their church landholdings ( in ARABY.)and were bribed by ASSUR's king Salmanasser-3 to seek independance under Assur's wings.

There was more political reason behind the ATON religion that you might expect.
at that time Egypt was in a diplomatic war with Assyria:between the 18-th dynasty King  Amenhotep-3 against Salmanasser-3

The bone of contention was that EGYPT held sway over the whole of Araby since their 11-th Dynasty
and ASSUR formally was a vassal kingdom of Egypt(  Araby was named the " Third or Middle-Egypt.)

until King Salmanasser-3 actually beiing a vassal-king of egypt, ( Named in the Bible as" ABDI- ASHIRTA the traitor.)attacked the last stronghold of the Egyptians:" ADEN " in 855 bc.and again in 853 bc.( at the Battle of 'KAR- KAR'( now Aden in Yemen.)
So Achnaton built another administrative" Aden" City of ATON/ Achet-Aton' in Tell el Amarna, but lost the Amun-priesthood in Araby.

When his successor general Horemheb returned to the Amun-priesthood worship( Now as an Assyrian Vassal-King over Egypt.)
So the return to theAmun-worship was motivated by Assyrian machinations. Phrophet( of AMUN) JEREMIAS can be considered as having steered a MIDDLE- course
or he was bribed (' secretly' refering to the Assyrian Emperor as to the " GOD" against whom, the israelians supposedly" Sinned") his SERMONS were clearly instigated by ASSUR, and thus the egyptian SON of KUSH named Jeremias, was guilty of HIGH- Treason !

Sincerely " Blue-Hue  "   :'( :o :'(


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on May 19, 2009, 12:28:51 pm
I'm sorry but you are wrong Blue.  Both religions did not co-exist.  Akhenaten swept aside the polytheistic religion to make way for the monotheistic religion of the Aten.
 
When Akhenaten began his reign the administrative capital was Memphis and the greatest religious center was Thebes which was the home town of the ruling family of the 18th. dynasty.  Thebes was also the home to the largest and wealthiest temple complex and the most powerful priesthood in the country - that of Amun at Karnak.  It had benefited enormously from royal favors, vast quantities of tithes and the booty of war, especially resulting from the military campaigns of Tuthmosis III (c.1479-c.1425 b.c) in Syria-Palestine.

Because it might had consequently become overwhelming, it was in the interest of the status of kingship for Akhenaten to remove the power from the temple of Amun and its High Priest.  He achieved this by elevating a deity named the Aten to a position of supremacy and excluding from the state religion all other deities, especially Amun.



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 19, 2009, 12:40:57 pm


Robert,

God(dess) forbid that BH would consult his sources/references supply us with links before he opens his


                                                             BIG MOUTH


- on anything - !!!

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AKHENATEN

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,706.0.html



THE GREAT ATEN

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,3841.0.html


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on May 19, 2009, 12:51:06 pm
I know Bianca.  I got out my Great Big Book of Everything on Egypt.  Granted I really didn't need it but I thought it better to be safer than sorry.  ;D  I'm not sure where he is getting the whole king Salmanasser-3.  I have never heard that name mentioned when Akhenaten is being discussed.


Title: The Ancient War of the Gods was just a revolution of new Star-signs( in: 855 bc)
Post by: BlueHue on May 19, 2009, 12:58:02 pm
Dear.........ROBERT,

I am sorry this was just a half message yesterday I got " out of Session  " while typing the other ( lost-)half, so here is the Full edited story for your scrutiny SOURCE Dr V's Book" Earth in Upheaval"( concepted: 1948 )

The present MOON already existed before it reached Earth as a " Captured" Sattelite
it was a companion of Planet Venus after it emerged from Jupiter's Red- Spot.
VENUS as a Planet is a newcomer in our Solar system

The GREEKS/ AND EGYPTIAN ASTRONOMERS WATCHED the arrival of the Moon IN HISTORICAL TIMES.
As the translated Greek version goes:

The MOON is a captured Sattelite from Planet Venus,

Planet Venus was touring the Solar system as an errant Planet named RHEA ( also "Little Red Ridinghood" in the ( censored)fairytale version of the egyptian Myth of " ISIS wandering with Anubis meeting Seth(= the Moon.)on the isle of the ENEADES

FAIRYTALES of GRIMM were actually forbidden Star-observations

They were common knowledge in India, but the ( MOSLIM-)Indian Mogul Emperor:' Dzjangdi '( or someting I forget )
issued a LAW in 1645 ad, that All libraries with Hindu Knowledge should be burned and the Astronomy-Science forbidden.

In the Hindu Fairytale collection-Book ( Tanttra Chantra, )Planet Venus is described as " wandering through the Forest picking Flowers "which is a metaphore of Planet Venus darkening the Night-sky-Stars(= " flowers".)
In the FRENCH translation of the Hindu sanskrit original
Planet Venus visited the Smal " Houses" of the7 Planets She ate from their "Plates" and drank from their" Cups "
which again, is a metaphore of a Planet-wandering to avoid the Scrutiny of the ( Moslim-)Indian Emperor's Censors.

In the french translation " Planet VENUS isd re-named " Snow-White and the Seven" Dwarfs "(= Demiurges.)
because visibly Venus must have glowed as a seecond Sun and thus its radiance must have " Dwarfed" the size of the Gaseous Planets !

For the same reason the sattelite-Moon of Venus was named the "GIANT" PALLAS because of it's light-radiation too

HINDU ASTRONOMERS observed the entry of Planet VENUS(= Visnus.) in our Solar System:

Planet Venus toured the inward-side of the Solar System towards the SUN getting accellerated each time when passing the 4 Gaseous Planets and entered the Athmosperes of the 4 Gas Planets leaving ( still visable) Vortexes-in Line- where it entered and Re-emerged, EJECTED by Jupiters' momentum conservation,  Ejection-accelleration is (like mr WIND mentions,)  a Law of Physics thus also in Astro-physics !

PS
Scientists have vastly overstated Geological & historical Dates, they told that Mars was hit by a comet  millions of years ago NOW they said it could have been in 1.000 bc ! Dr Velikovsky already said that 1500 bc was actually 1.000 bc next Atlantis did not" sink " in 10.000 bc but around 1.055 bc .Read my Blue-THUMB-nail Rules  !

This little tidbit is known as The Giant Impactor Theory and in my opinion the best theory on how the moon was created.  Enjoy.  :)
Scientists say that 4.5 billion years ago an asteroid or small (Mars-sized) planet came careening through space and crashed into the proto-Earth. As a result of the titanic collision the impacting planet was vaporized and huge,


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 19, 2009, 01:02:56 pm






                                                 BLUE HUE - INTERNET TROLL



http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,4148.0.html


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on May 19, 2009, 01:18:31 pm
Ok Blue, why are you confusing myth with fact?  Granted some myths have a basis in fact, but the Moon/rogue planet only hit the earth once. 4.5 BILLION YEARS AGO.  The Greeks and Egyptian did not know that Venus and Jupiter were made of gas.  C'mon seriously.  If they did it wouldn't have been a big discovery when Astronomers in our time discovered the same thing.  Above the surface of Mars lies an atmosphere that is about 100 times less dense than the atmosphere of Earth. But the Martian atmosphere is dense enough to support a weather system that includes clouds and winds. Tremendous dust storms sometimes rage over the entire planet.

Mars is much colder than Earth. Temperatures at the Martian surface vary from as low as about -195 degrees F (-125 degrees C) near the poles during the winter to as much as 70 degrees F (20 degrees C) at midday near the equator. The average temperature on Mars is about -80 degrees F (-60 degrees C).

Mars is so different from Earth mostly because Mars is much farther from the sun and much smaller than Earth. The average distance from Mars to the sun is about 141,620,000 miles (227,920,000 kilometers). This distance is roughly 1 1/2 times the distance from Earth to the sun. The average radius (distance from its center to its surface) of Mars is 2,107 miles (3,390 kilometers), about half the radius of Earth.

Mass and density

Mars has a mass (amount of matter) of 7.08 X 1020 tons (6.42 X 1020 metric tons). The latter number would be written out as 642 followed by 18 zeroes. Earth is about 10 times as massive as Mars. Mars's density (mass divided by volume) is about 3.933 grams per cubic centimeter. This is roughly 70 percent of the density of Earth.

Gravitational force

Because Mars is so much smaller and less dense than Earth, the force due to gravity at the Martian surface is only about 38 percent of that on Earth. Thus, a person standing on Mars would feel as if his or her weight had decreased by 62 percent. And if that person dropped a rock, the rock would fall to the surface more slowly than the same rock would fall to Earth.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on May 19, 2009, 01:31:16 pm
Shalmaneser III
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Shalmaneser III (äulmānu-aöarēdu, "the god Shulmanu is pre-eminent") was king of Assyria (859 BC-824 BC), and son of the previous ruler, Ashurnasirpal II[1].

His long reign was a constant series of campaigns against the eastern tribes, the Babylonians, the nations of Mesopotamia and Syria, as well as Kizzuwadna and Urartu. His armies penetrated to Lake Van and the Taurus Mountains; the Hittites of Carchemish were compelled to pay tribute, and the kingdoms of Hamath and Aram Damascus were subdued.

In 853 BC a coalition which was formed by the kingdoms of Egypt, Hamath, Arvad, the Ammonites, "Ahab of Israel" and other neighboring states, under the leadership of king Hadadezer of Damascus, defeated the Assyrian king at Battle of Qarqar. However, the Assyrian king persevered in his attempts to subjugate Israel and Syria[citation needed]. Other battles soon followed in 849 BC and 846 BC.

In 842 BC, Shalmaneser campaigned against Hadadezer's successor Hazael, forcing him to take refuge within the walls of his capital. While Shalmaneser was unable to capture Damascus, he devastated its territory, and Jehu of Israel (whose ambassadors are represented on the Black Obelisk now in the British Museum), together with the Phoenician cities, prudently sent tribute to him in 841 BC. Babylonia had already been conquered as far as the marshes of the Chaldaeans in the south, and the Babylonian king put to death.

In 836 BC, Shalmaneser sent an expedition against the Tibareni (Tabal) which was followed by one against Cappadocia, and in 832 BC came another campaign against Urartu. In the following year, age required the king to hand over the command of his armies to the Tartan (turtānu commander-in-chief) Dayyan-Assur, and six years later, Nineveh and other cities revolted against him under his rebel son Assur-danin-pal. Civil war continued for two years; but the rebellion was at last crushed by Shamshi-Adad V, another son of Shalmaneser. Shalmaneser died soon afterwards. He had built a palace at Calah, and left several editions of the royal annals recording his military campaigns, the last of which is engraved on the Black Obelisk from Calah.

Funny...  Nothing about Egypt. 

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/538154/Shalmaneser-III


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Horus on May 19, 2009, 01:52:19 pm

Shalmaneser III (äulmānu-aöarēdu, "the god Shulmanu is pre-eminent") was king of Assyria (859 BC-824 BC), and son of the previous ruler, Ashurnasirpal II[1].

Funny...  Nothing about Egypt. 

The Amarna letters discovered at the former site of Akhetaten do discuss diplomacy with Mesopatamian rulers but not this king because he lived about 500 years after Akhenaten! You can't take anything that BlueHue says seriously.  In another thread he stated that "archeological evidence doesn't count".  Case closed! Call in the men with white suits!  


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on May 19, 2009, 01:59:35 pm
That's right Horus.  Akhenaten ruled from 1352 b.c.-1336 b.c and Shalmaneser III ruled from 859 b.c-824 b.c.  Hmmmmm curiouser and curiouser.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 19, 2009, 02:11:51 pm




Oh, guys......


Don't forget:


                                                      A C A P U L C O


IS MEXICO'S new capital.....


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on May 19, 2009, 03:07:37 pm
Oh yeah I forgot about that one.  ::)  Should we tell Mexico?  Because they might not know.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on May 19, 2009, 10:21:25 pm
LOL, sorry...

Rob, that was actually pretty funny.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 19, 2009, 10:52:59 pm
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Yes I know of Aten and if Blue just misspelled my apologies

According to wikipedia (Which is not all that reliable anymore ;D) Aten and Aton are one in the same, I don't know if it's accurate though,  I havenít researched it.
No need to apologize Robert, knowing that Blue was far out in left field again I was only kidding around. :)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 19, 2009, 10:57:48 pm
Alright ! I have to ask a question, where did this whole moon hitting the Earth thing come from?   This is new to me.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 20, 2009, 06:17:43 am



Wind:

Pretty well ALL of BH's material comes from the PSYCHIATRIST Dr. Velikovsky.

He was a ZIONIST who was 'hell-bent' on making Israel 'important' - which was at the root of all
his 'theories'.....


Immanuel Velikovsky

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 20, 2009, 08:38:45 am
THANKS ' BIANCA"     by promoting Dr Velikovsky's ideas by issuing his biography for all to read( that never heard of the man before !) a meritable deed.


Title: The Ancient War of the Gods was just a revolution of new Star-signs( in: 855 bc)
Post by: BlueHue on May 20, 2009, 08:49:20 am
Dear.........ROBERT, mr. Wind & mr J. Manuschevich,

I am sorry for the length of this article

Note: about Ach -en- Aten, in an old incomplete book I read that Achnaton did not actively subdue the Amun Cult, he just ignored it which maybe amounts to the same .
Strangely enough the Amun- Cult was subdued before ATON, by a former Amun High-Priest: King Thotmoses-3 who, not only chipped away the portraits of his mother Queen Hatsepsut but also of the god Amun standing guard over her and this happened 200 years before the Aton cult..


My posting, Yesterday, was just a half message, yesterday I got " out of Session  " while typing the other ( lost-)half, so here is the Full edited story for your scrutiny SOURCE Dr V's Book" Earth in Upheaval"( concepted: 1948 )

The present MOON already existed before it reached Earth as a " Captured" Sattelite
it was a companion of Planet Venus after it emerged from Jupiter's Red- Spot.
VENUS as a Planet is a newcomer in our Solar system, who started to emerge with Planet Uranis and " worked itself Down the line to the Solar system's center.

The Egyptians even recorded( with sore Eyes I would expect, that "Planet Venus as 'Isis' caused the Sun to be darkened by a planetary dust-RING around it  metaphorized by an Aphophis-Snake poison-Spell to call all of his 72 holi names( In the translated Hindu- Fairytales from the Tantra Chantra, it is the Cobold/ Goblin RIMPELSTIELSKIN that had a secret name to be guessed for a ransom.) for helping a prospected Bride to weave a goldcloth from straw.

The GREEKS/ AND EGYPTIAN ASTRONOMERS WATCHED the arrival of the Moon IN HISTORICAL TIMES.
As the translated Greek version goes:

The MOON is a captured Sattelite from Planet Venus,

Planet Venus was touring the Solar system as an errant Planet named RHEA ( also "Little Red Ridinghood" in the ( censored)fairytale version of the egyptian Myth of " ISIS wandering with Anubis meeting Seth(= the Moon.)on the isle of the ENEADES

FAIRYTALES of GRIMM were actually forbidden Star-observations

They were common knowledge in India, but the ( MOSLIM-)Indian Mogul Emperor:' Dzjangdi '( or someting I forget )
issued a LAW in 1645 ad, that All libraries with Hindu Knowledge should be burned and the Astronomy-Science forbidden.

In the Hindu Fairytale collection-Book ( Tanttra Chantra, )Planet Venus is described as " wandering through the Forest picking Flowers "which is a metaphore of Planet Venus darkening the Night-sky-Stars(= " flowers".)
In the FRENCH translation of the Hindu sanskrit original
Planet Venus visited the Smal " Houses" of the7 Planets She ate from their "Plates" and drank from their" Cups "
which again, is a metaphore of a Planet-wandering to avoid the Scrutiny of the ( Moslim-)Indian Emperor's Censors.

In the french translation " Planet VENUS isd re-named " Snow-White and the Seven" Dwarfs "(= Demiurges.)
because visibly Venus must have glowed as a seecond Sun and thus its radiance must have " Dwarfed" the size of the Gaseous Planets !

For the same reason the sattelite-Moon of Venus was named the "GIANT" PALLAS because of it's light-radiation too

HINDU ASTRONOMERS observed the entry of Planet VENUS(= Visnus.) in our Solar System:

Planet Venus toured the inward-side of the Solar System towards the SUN getting accellerated each time when passing the 4 Gaseous Planets and entered the Athmosperes of the 4 Gas Planets leaving ( still visable) Vortexes-in Line- where it entered and Re-emerged, EJECTED by Jupiters' momentum conservation,  Ejection-accelleration is (like mr WIND mentions,)  a Law of Physics thus also in Astro-physics !

When " Snow-White " entered the (or rather each)single 'House' of the 7' Dwarfs' she slept in their ' Beds'(= orbit wake.)and She 'Ate from their Plates"(= she" broomed" the dust off the Planetary rings.)and She' Drank from their Cups'( meaning the super-Hot Planet Venus evaporated parts of the frozen Planets' Gaseous envellopes.)
In the Fairytale story She was allowed to stay in the( Planetary-)' House' on condition that she would broom their house9-s) clean, but that is just a dramatic story repetition. Because when once in Stable orbit Venus did'nt  "Broom" anymore !)

GREEK  MYTHOLOGY was a description of celestial Planetary movements,

After the WAR of the GODS in: 855 bc, when Earth's axis tilted 25 degrees,  the NEW-ly formed Starsigns got the (New)Names from the actual 18-th egyptian dynasty KINGS,   living on Earth around 1.055 / 855 bc.
(I use a different Dating-system, so, I'LL GET INTO dating THAT LATER.)

The wandering Planet Venus entered the jupiter Gas envellope,  according to the GREEK astronomers, as " METIS " and left it as Themis or Athens. around 1055 bc. not Billions of years ago.( as 'ROBERT' and all astrophycisists thinks.)
During this transition of Jupiters athmosphere Metis must have fragmented hitting Jupiter's frozen Metalic Ice Core, she split and got a Sister/ a Moonlett named " PALLAS "

When Venus reached past Earth and Mars, ( on her way into hitting and orbiting the Sun !)
the Moonlett named Pallas detached from Venus and started to orbit Planet Mars.
However NOT for long because their joint orbit velocity must have torn the" Couple" from the former Mars-orbit around Planet Jupiter( which formed the mini Solar-System, of Earth & Mars revolving around Planet Jupiter.)

DESCRiPTION of MOON's approach to Earth,
Again the Greek and Egyptian Astronomers have watched the Moon become  as a  -captured-sattelite of Earth
in the" Pelgaskian World-Creation Myth," The MOON was named EURYNOME and circled in Orbit around Planet Mars.
But it was not in a Circle move but in a triangular (" Keplar"-)move and suddenly Moon hit Mars on the Forehead
as it were " Kicking-out it's front teeth " leaving an oceanic depression on Mars' north-pole. all in 1055 bc.

These Front teeth of MARS became in Legends the Mars MARUTS and they became the Mars-Fragment-Meterorites that impacted on the Still watercovered Rub al Chali Desert leaving shallow impact holes of 100 meters in trans-section. The MOON itself would soon follow.

The Moon now was encircled with a sort of Skirt like the babylonian Goddess Damkina wore when wanting to rescue DUM-UZZI (= egyptian OZ-SIRIS /=Planet Mars.)from her 'Sister's death realm of Eriskigal.

Each time when, the Moon  revolved around the Sun, for the observer she" lost" her Skirt/Tail of Mars' teeth
In HINDU  Myth this stage of the Moon's" devellopement" was named' GANGA'  when she flowed through the" Hair " of SHIVA(= Mars' severed head with the" Third Eye ")in norse Myth this Moon-phase is called" SIF with the golden hair getting revence from Loki.")

The Moon bumped on Mars and the seismic wave travelling through Mars' iron core caused it to eject and become the Planet Mercury.( Hermes or the golden-Horus the younger in egyptian Myth.)According to Astrogeologists MARS is a heap of Stone covered with a thin veneer of Iron Oxide, while Mercury on the other hand is a ball of iron, covered with a thin veneer of Lithosphere.

During the Mars-Moon collision both of them were covered in a cloud of gold-dust.  PLUTARCHUS re-tells a Greek(= egyptian.) Myth that Planet Mars wanmted to mate with Planet Venus but her velocity was to fast to be captured
so Mars asked his old housekeeper ugly old ANNA(= the Moon, which was neither old nor ugly !)to' intercede' for him
and she told Mars that he would meet his beloved 'MINERVA' wrapped in sheets, but the next morning when Mars
opened the bedsheets who but old ANNA" The Housekeeper(= orbiting Sattelite.) was in the bedsheets?!

In another Tale from the TANTRA - CHANTRA it is Venus that went to the house of the Moon and found the WOLF(= Mars.) in the Bedsheets of Grandma which he had "" Eaten ".or rather " Lady-killed".! in yet another version of the Moon-collision with Mars, Mars was attacked by TWO GIANTS who grew larger and Larger( as a dustcloud would!)( Briareus & Porfirius.)they supposedly shut Mars up in a golden vase.( Like Brer PETER did with the "WOLF" in a net, hidden in a paper bag !)

Modern Astrophicisists recon that Planet MARS was once hit on the Head/ north pole wich resulted in an Oceanbasin like deep depression, but at the opposite side of Mars globe, the giant Volcano MONS OLYMPUS emerged together with similar volcanoes called the TARSUS Mountain range.

In my " Blue's) Atlantis Theory, the Asteroids from the asteroid-Belt consisting of granitis and basalt-material
is not from an exploded 10-th Planet but the result from the Mars/ Moon collision of 1055 bc.
The smaller Marsfragments were caught by the retreating Moon and were showered over the Earth.
My guess is that the majority of the Giant impact-Craters in America and Mexico are NOT from millions of years ago
but datable to around 1055 bc.  They had impacted into Jurassic soil, but the present ( eroded @!)topsoil is NOT
the Time period that these Giant impact craters were incomming.

The Egyptian Story went that OSIRIS(= Mars.) was tempted to lay in a golden caskett or sarcophagus and which was nailed tight and thrown into the ( CELESTIAL-)River( Nile)and was recoverred by isis in the realm of CHANDRA king of Hyperborea.(= Atlantis.)( where " Mars/ Osiris was hidden into a Tamarisk tree which she removed but never theless" Osiris/ Mars did not revievand could only " Live " in the realm of the Dead.
Mars was formerly covered with Oceanic waters and thus the GREEKS names Osiris/Mars after the GOD POSEIDON.
After Moon hit Mars and the latter lost all of it's free water in a sudden evaporation Poseidon became arid/ ARES

MARS became arid/Ares in 855 bc, at the same time that The Assyrian GOD-King Salmanasser-3 removed the Hindu-GOD RUDRA(= Mars.)from the indian Pantheon and replaced it with himself as the" New-God SHIVA, with Poseidon's Trident !")

But earlier the Moon fell to earth after first sending a shower of marsfragments into the AQrabian desert which at that time was still covered with water, which was NOT neccesarily Glacier-lakewater !

in 1055 the MOON made her first devastating impact on Antartica and caused the Atlantic Ocean floor to CRACK & SPREAD and the Andes Mountains to Rise probably in ONE day!
Now, paleo-geologists tell that the Andes mountains rose probably in Olichocene times 30.million years ago
The Himalay mountains were formed 200 years later, so because of the less eroded tops their rise was dated in Eocene times 20.million years ago.

But this is quite wrong the Andes rose in 1055 bc and at the foot of it lays the original topsoil of the Pleistocene era but covered by later eroded Olichocene silt, the Himalay mountains likewise rose in late-Quartenary " NEOCENE-era but the former indian/ Thetys-Ocean-basinlayers eroded that fast that the present tops of the Hymalay mistakingly seem to date fromj Eocene Miocene times, that's right,  but this was NOT the time of the ( later!) Mountain(" building")rise ! thus those Geologists that date the rise of the Himalay mountains to millions of years ago are fooling themselves or it is a grave(l-)misunderstanding!

Naturally Atlantis was not from 10.000 bc but was re-founded in 1055 bc it existed not as an oceanic isle but as a Volcano- caldeira in Aden(= Ad-LAND.)and was overtaken by a TSUNAMI of Giant proportions and Subsided but no human lives were lost.  THAT MAINSTREAM ATLANTOLOGISTS THINK of ATLANTIS as an  iSLAND IN mid-OCEAN off the Caribean sea in AMERICA isa a false tradition fallacy
I explanained before that Latin translators mis translated Plato's obsolete dialect greek words and gave it a different meaning.
But the atlantologists that know no Greek nor lsatin trusted the english translations( which were superb, but from a very CORRUPTED" Textus- Receptus" which the atlantologists refuse to believe. Some even think or act subconciously as-if Lain was the origional language and forget all about a ( forgotten or lost-)greek origin.

AFTER THE 'DESTRUCTION' of ATLANTIS the survivors went to repair the damages.
A.KIRCHER wrote in his frontispice that the SEA( by a cataclysm,) had overtaken Atlantis(" Mare capta Atlantidis "or something.)
anyway he did NOT say that Atlantis had sunk beneath the waves which wrong notion is another diehard fallacy !

The GOD King of Egypt named " THOT"(= SEKEN -en- RE, THOT-2.) simply ordered his son AHMOSE to " Re-build the citadel of Atlantis which he did
in the Pelgaskian World-creation Myth this eponymal king was not suprisingly named in Greek: KING  PELASGUS".
and the three greek tribes first to arive in Greece were named after him: Javans(= Ionians Aeolians and Etolians, )later came the other ' Dorian' tribes.( in 855 bc,)

ABOUT:  -regular-Cyclic TSUNAMIES in Aden/ ATLANTIS,

However The MOON returned to hit the Earth a second time after a series of Erratic orbits which lasted 200 years later, in which the Erratic moon,  was named" NIBIRU "
by the Babylonians.  In this 200 year Moon observation history it came out that the Moon in Conjunction with Mars closest approach to Earth,
caused a Major- :" Earth-Quake" Tsunami every 50 years and a Minor one every High-Tide once a year. with Volcanic Rumblings every 25 year.

The Greeks supposedly knew only ONE Deluge/Flood( of :DEUCALION in 1055 bc.) but Plato only said that to st-of the dim knowledge of the greeks against the vast ancient knowledge of the egyptians who knew several Floods,
but from Plato, that was a white lie, because during those 200 years inbetween TWO Moon-earth collisions tghe Greeks named every s0-year's major Tsunamy after the royal House kings of Thebes.)( Deucalion was king Ahmoses.)

Originally since the ELEVENTH egyptian Dynasty the whole of ARABY was occupied by the Egyptians and thus the earlier Assyrian and Babylonian and ELAMITE Kingdoms were actual" Vassal" kingdoms of the Egyptian Eleventh-Dynasty.   Ofcourse these sometimes revolted under Assyrianinstigation but the egyptians were powerfull enough to counter these revolutions.

However the Egyptian kings donated so much of Egyptian-Arabian territory to the Priesthood of AMUN that the Arabian Lands were named The THIRD-hand(= dead-hand/ =priesterly-) Egypt named as Punicians of PTAH or CHETA/= SETH Lands or the Foreign lands of the Seven/ Nine Bows! The only income that the Priests of Amun had was the growth-cult of Frankincense trees, which was used as barter.

But Assyrian King ASSURNASSIRPAL( dd 879-859 bc and his son 'GOD'kingSalmanasser-3( dd 859- 824 bc.)
managed to detach the Amun priesthood IN aRABY from the royal House of Thebes, BY DIPLOMATIC TREATIES OF NON-INTERVENTION WHEN THE ASSYRIANS WERE ATTACKING EGYPTIAN GARRISIONS UNDER THE FALSE GUISE OF ROOTING OUT" REBEL-FRACTIONS"( MEANING' EGYPTIAN Garrisions.!)

In letters to the Assyrian Spy and foreign minister" TUTU " ABDI  HIBA the Vice-roy of Jerusalem tells the King Achnaton, "who has no ears" that the TRAITOR:" ABDI- ASHIRTA( litterally the( egyptian-Vice-)KING of ASSUR
is putting rebels down while professing his loyalty to his egyptian overlord and master, but would not come to Egypt

The Israelian/ Amun-priesthood that now had come under Assyrian sway revolted against their conniving new Ruler at exactly each 50 year period that the MOON-sattelite  regularily caused a Giant Tsunami, so when in 855 bc they revolted and Salmanasser-3 was at the GATES besieging the Capital of Egyptian Araby(= KADESH.the Holi- City of ADEN/= Atlantis)it happened that the entire Assyrian siege army was drowned.

Somehow Salmanasser-3 survived that drowning and amassed a second Siege Army 2 years later in 853 and took " KADESH/ Kar Kar(= City of Cities.)in the Annals of Israeel it says that Salmanasser was beaten by a coalission of Hittites/Hatti and Syrian tribes and an israelian  King Ahab but led by Haddazer of Damascus but it was a Phyrrus victory because in 851 Salmanasser-3 returened with a new army and succeded in capturing KADESH/ Carchemish
easily because now there was no scheduled TSUNAMI to drown the second siege army !  The  syrian Coalition of the " victorious" Egyptian King however was beaten too. but this was held secret from the home front .

THE SUPPILULIAMUS OR BURNABURIAS-of HATTI in: 1355 bc was the same as SALMANASSER in 855 bc
and the City of KAR- KAR or Carchemis on the Orontes was actually ADEN in South Araby
Dr Velikovsky described this discovery in his 1949 Book" Ages in Chaos " which was boycotted by the professional egyptologists

In Hebrew the israelian chieftan opposing Salmanasser-3, was named ACHAB and his son Achazia, The Egyptian king was named AMENHOTEB-3 and his son was Amenhoteb-4, and we know nothing of them, ever leading any army against any Assyrian host.
However in the Bible Pharaoh Amenhoteb-3 was named " King ACHAB "  Litterary:" King of Chatti-Land " and he nearly lost his life in gthe Palestinian/ Syrian coallision war against the Assyrians.( Dogs licking his blood from his war-chariot.)

The King of Israel was actually the Pharaoh of Egypt but his "vice-Roy of Kush "was named the First Prophet of Amun, JESAJA & Jeremiah were such king- Priests of Israel, and they behaved like overt-egyptian-traitors to the Assyrians ! in the Sermons of the Prophets it seems, as- if the Israelians were 'Sinners' and the Assyrian KING was the GOD against who they " sinned " because of their loyalty to the Egyptians( and their gods !)

The First 'Holocaust' was in 605 bc when King RAMESSES-2( also named NECHO-2)married the neo-BABYLONIAN kings daughter NEFERTI but in exchange for a non-attack treaty by which he lost the nominal hegemony to all egyptian territory in Araby which Seti-1 had temporarily recoverred some years before.
The name of that neo-babylonian king was HATTUSILISH-3 but we know him as NEBUKADNESAR

The former egyptian-Palestinians were treated as babylonian-prisioners of war with Rameses-2 lame protests in the background,  When the israelians revolted in 598, the traitor JEREMIAS went with the fugitives to Memphis, but he forgot that he himself was the babylonian traitor who helped formulate Ramesses-2 non-Attack treaty wher it says that Babylonian refugies were to be returned to babylon but also former egyptian citizens now under babylonian rule were to be returned to Babylon when they took refuge to Egypt even if their entire family lived in Egypt.
And so JEREMIAS was" returned" to babylon, where he( vainly!) protested that he was removed to memphis" against his will " ( a likely excuse from a traitor !)

So from 853 bc.on ACHAB/ Amenhoteb-3's son Amenhoteb-4 under the name of Achnaton became the Vice-Pharaoh of Araby but only in name whilst his brother general Horemheb was allowed the Privillage to become titulary Vice-Roy of Assur for the former Egyptian territories in South- Araby.

However the NEXT 50 years later when Achnaton and Horemheb were long dead, in 805 bc the former Egyptian Priests revolted again and Aden was besieged again, and the Assyrian Army was routed by the next giant cataclysm of which they had forgotten all about it since Salmanasser-3 had taboed that knowledge!
The israelian " GOD " that had caused each natural cause defeat of the Assyrian host was the Moon and his AVATAR the White holi- Elephant.

Around 855 bc Salmanasser-3 ordered the Avatar of the Moon the White holi-Arabian Elephant to be murdered by the thousands, because as CHERUBS / Grigori-on the walls of SION, in Aden, they were watchers/ averters of the oncomming Tsunamies.  Even today with the ASIAN Tsunami the Thai tourist-Elephants were the first to get the tourists off the beach to higher grounds but the technocrates did not know that and have replaced the Elephant as Tsunami-watcher with expensive Earthquake warning equipment()" ( Elephant-God-)Poseodon's "SEA-Horses" were now supposed to cause Tsunamies instead of warning for them !)

This above narrative only goes to showe that in a very short period of time the MOON twice pelted Earth in historical times and was recorded as having done so.

In 1055 bc the collision of Moon against Antartica caused the Andes mountains to rise in Pleistocene or late Quarternary time and 200 years later in 855 bc, the Moon collision on the Hawaiian Isles caused the Himalay Mountains to rise accordingly.

that the Andes and Himalay Mountains presently, are not positioned opposite the -expected-holes that the Moon had created on the other end of the Earth is because as a result of the Seismic waves they have moved from the original position in which they were located when the Moon struck on the other side of the Earth , from which they expended/ spread, during the Shockwave !

I forgot his name but it was Andrew Collins If memory serves correctly(not in my Alzheimers' Syndrome Case !)that has made those scrolling /wandering continents scrolling, cartoon-movies that simulated what would happen to Earth's crust if a hypothetical " smaller" Planet would hit Earth ! instand : RHODINIA, Gondwana, Laurasia and Pangea !

DISBELIEVE versus historical OBSERVATIONS:   :'( :o :'(
When dr Velikovsky presented the above narrative at an American astrophysical Convention in 1974 the first thing all opponents said was, " that a mere collision with an Astroid or even a small Planet,  would not harm Earth much, nor would it be able to turn over Earth's axis the 25 degrees( it has since 855 bc.)
Also the modern-Astrophysicists refused to believe that the ancient Greeks and Egyptians had watched the Moon captured by Earth or Venus ejecting from jupiter.

Today modern Astrophycisists have determned that Planet MARS must have once maybe a million or 10.000 years ago been hit on the Head by a small Planet,  which caused it to loose all watercontent that according to other theorists may now form the Water-ice rings of Planet Saturn.
It is till amasing the MARS is totally earthlike in it's Siltlayer composition and if all asteroids that are a result of the moon collising with Mars and ejecting it's iron core were addedup, Mars ciould even have been bigger taht Earth when both,  were still revolving in orbit around Planed Jupiter !

ABOUT evidence of Atlantis as an " eye-Opener "
In any case,  mr WIND wondered why he had never heard of such a thing as Moon collisions, so I will explain
why he has frequently read about Moon-Earth collosions, ( without even knowing it) and I hope that he is intelligent enough to understand this problem of beiing" Blind with open Eyes" !

Twe Bible / Old Testament/ Torah, has been written as an egyptian KING-LIST with no moral purposes
in 625 the Persian king Cambysos captured Memphisd and King Darius ordered the EgyptianState RECORDS
to be transferred to the Library of the new Persian world-residence of PERSEPOLIS( near Susa in IRAN.)
 wher King Aleander the Great, had them burned in 331 bc after a brawl with a heteare called Thais( but maybe the original Persian thought that burning the Stae records would make the government of Persia by the Greeks impossible and thety would leave accordingly, which they did not But it did make a united greek Satrapic-government of Persia, by the greek Diadocii impossible.

LUCK has it that 100 years before that in: 444 bc a Scribe named EZDRAS translated the Egyptian State chronicles
from Egyptian Hieroglyphs probably still hierartic into Aramic  the Persian state-language(or Hebrew with syncopated greek capitals.)

The jewish PRIESTHOOD in Persia had no possesions nor income so Ezdras felt a moral obligation to instignate the building of a new Temple in old Jerusalem to provide a- thite- income for the Priesthood that they did not enjoy staying in the capital. so he zelotted for a" ANABASIS - JUDAIICA " we don't know how these State-records looked like or whether they were the originals or syncopated copies. So the narrative must have been 'doctered' to suit the new Persian overlord.

The Israelians were Egyptians and the Israelian Kings were egyptian Kings but at the Time Egypt ( under king AMYRTAOS' -shortlived-27-th Dynasty)was a rebellious enemy of and at war with Persia, so EZDRAS in order
to"  let his people go" to former egyptian territories had to pretend that 'MOSES' was supposedly,  an egyptian renegate and fugitive( which he was not, he was even a megalomaniac -Pharaoh, who wanted to conquer the World even the -then-Persian homelands!)So you see what a dillemna Ezdras had to overcome in presenting a former PERSIANS- BASHER as a friendly man fleeing from ' agressive' Egyptians !The rebuilding of the Temple was
a lost caused only another man named NEHEMIA was able to fullfil the Priestly dream of a new Temple in a new israel. But strangely enough Old jerusalem(= ADEN.) had become a desaerted place so a New Jerusalem ( the Present one ) was built and the present Israelians still think that THIS was the KUDDUSH or KADESH of King David!

MOON FALLS to Earth twice in the Greek Myths:
MOON has had several names which I will mention here partly:

EYE of RE, Splendour of Israel, Lucifer, (Radiant-) Prince of Darkness, ATON- PHAEATON, Typhon, Charon, ISTHAR HAEFESTOS, EURYMEDA, LATONA LADON,  SELENA, DIONE, DIONE- Nyssos, APHRODITE, ASHTARTE TIA- MAAT etc.

When HEAPHESTUS or HAPHAISTOS ! was born from Jupiter & Venus( no sooner that 1055 bc he was so ugly that his mother HERA casted him to Earth.  By this collision Hephaistos got a lame leg so he was costantly limping which the moon still does. because it's iron core is not evenly spread on the interior.

The second time now his Father Jupiter found his son so ugly that he casted him to Earth, where he fell to the isle of Samos ( not the present one .)and learned the friendly inhabitants to grow Samos-wine, before returning to Zeus

God-King Salmanasser-3 demonised the earthen-Avatar of the Moon, the Holi- White Elephant in 855 bc because
it supposedly caused the TSUNAMI that drowned his siege Army before ADEN( -before it was renamed Jerusalem.)
So he had the thousand of them murdered. in the KORAN ADEN as an Elephant City was named The City of the 1.000 " PILLARS " of Ad- IREM(= Hiram.) Thus these Pillars of Heracles wereoriginally Elephants(= Cherubs.) later changed into winged-Lions that carried the setting- Sun.)

In the Christan Lore the GOD of the Genesis-3 verse 4 is an interloper called Salmanasser-3 where he orders the Paradise Snake to loose his four paws and crouch and eat dust because he told Adam & Eve to " eat from the Tree of Knowledge"(= Boaz & Jachin  or Tannin and Tanmin.)
The " TREE"  of Knowledge however is a metaphore for a Planetarium ( which issalso a mandala Temple of Poseidon in Aden. and Stonehence whether with wet or dry moats !)which was used to predict these annual Hightide and 50 years apart major Tsunamies( caused by the regulary conjunctions of Mars and Moon.)

ATLANTIS/ JERUSALEM as " CENTER of the World."
So the Circle design of Atlantis capital was used as a Star or Moon chartering/ measuring plain
the Sundial is a simple piece of wood but for charteing the Star expansion a larger measuring floor was needed
Atlantis ( like Jerusalem) was called "the Centre of the World" and the "tree" in the Court of Poseidon's Temple was supposedly the Center of the World( the Cartographic World ofcourse.)
The honorific title of the assyrian kings was: LORD of the Four " Pillars " of the World " or of the Four" Cardinals"
So the PILLARS of the world whether of Chronos or Heracfles refer to  A DIAL- ELEPHANT representing the ( Four) regions of the WIND- DIAL  ( I forget the names of these Four DIAL Elephants who have a colour attached to the Windregion name.  The 4 or 5 Riders of the Apocalypse refer to the Plagues that tormented Earth's churning-surface

Since by penalty of Death the White Elephant was FORBIDDEN to be depicted thus tabooed artists found a way to circumvent the Elephant Icon by making it a Cherub/ Girl with wings. or stylising it into the ANKH form( a sandal-string?  my foot !)However ADEN was demonised too it became the " Underworld of HADES " the White Elephant was painted red, the Ears were clipped to look like Batwings and the Tusks were clipped too to look like goats horns.  The Name of the Pharaoh as "Strong Elephant bull "was changed into just "Strong Bull "
only Poseidon's Trident remained intact as to remind that Poseidon originally was an Elephant God.

In the Catachismus it says somewhere that there are TWO ways to reach virtual" Paradis" after death the Small and the Broad-way these were the Port-approaches to ADEN port ! ADEN was Jerusalem the Holi- City in Paradise!
When LUCIFER became SATAN( Chaietano.) he fell into the Ocean, trough Earth  and came out the other end,
Probably the INDIAN ocean !( Which has a bumped basin. )

In the HINDU MYTH originally a postulation from an Egyptian origine,
Planet VENUS(= VISNUS approached Earth so close that it caused it to turn around in circles wshich in the RIG- Veda-Purana's is called the " CHURNING of the MILK- Sea" ( we would call it the Milkyway. )
Greek Hero Heracles is supposed to have caused the MILKYWAY in EXISTANCE BY BRUISING HIS FOSTERMOTHER( HERA'S) NIPPLE. ( By the Velikovsky-Time reckoning.) Heracles was born in :880 bc but the Churning was in 855 bc.

"WAR of the GODS same as  WRATH of the GODS"

Plato must have known of TWO separate occasions of a TSUNAMI/ Flood hitting Atlantis because he merged the Elements of both into " ONE" Cataclysm.

An author named Walter Schlossmann has researched the DATE for the AXIS of the Earth to have collapsed after the " WAR of the GODS " which than would be the same as the WRATH of the GODS !" he found out that the Egyptians called the second Moonfall the " Great RAASH "and guessed its occurance as around 850 -800 bc
which is very near the Mark of 855 bc.

CONCLUSION:

TWO forgotten MOONfalls have re-shaped Earth's surface and the Star-constellations since 1055 bc.
Since the Egyptians were the major civilisation at the time the origin of the Atlantis Flood story is egyptian
other religions were from vassal kindoms and when politically independant just local translations followed  the egyptian example.

Only the second datable Moonfall in 855 bc was characterized as the War of the Gods(= Constellations named after Gods.)PLATO made the original story into a" Wrath of the Gods" for the HYBRIS of" Modern" ATHENS
in the case of the Failed raid on Syracuse, but he was under scrutiny of Persian-Sharmast censors so he had to use metaphores to avoid goiing to prison for violating the Censor's code.

Plato also used" flowerly" Attic Dialect which was obsolete by the time his Atlantis Dialogues surfaced and were wrongly translated into Latin which fooled atlantologists for nearly 2000 years about the location of this land where the inhabitants enjoyed a longer life by drinking from a Fountain of Youth( Tree of Life!) and a Tree of Knowledge( a Planetarium.)The " Gold" in this City however was yellow mud with Iron oxide and the Fountain contained brackish (= Hydro-Thermal Soda-)water.

This City of Atlantis was according to Plato opposite where an Island flanked by Pillars was facing the Mouth of the Western Ocean in the land of the Hyperboreans. Thus neither in America nor Spain nor on an Oceanic Isle.
Only someone with an inkling of greek latin and ancient cartography should have no trouble in quickly locating Atlantis( As: ADEN in ARABY.)

However since from the 1.000 -wouldbe-non- hero members of Atlantis on Line website,  only THREE seem to have an understanding of Latin an Greek ( ATALANTE, GEORGEOS, RICH, '.)it is - statistically-impossible that they  locate Atlantis as Plato meant it to be. and thus save for a spellbreaker that could upsett the applecart,
the mainstream of atlantologists will continue to bark-up the wrong tree on basis of a corrupted " Textus- receptus " that the Layman considders as the " Original' Text thus creating and cherishing a falsh tradition.

Thank you for your comments and iI humbly appologize  to be that " Spelbreaker " of falsh traditions in history.

In 2010 in Athens
I intend to " defend " the above-incomplete- statement with editorial help from: hero-member ' JULIA 'and will try to arouse a feature intrest from the Magazine(-s) best suited to promote this " Blue-Atlantis-theory"

Sincerely "  Blue Hue " dd 20- may---2009, from Polly-Univ. Delft / Holland.

PS
Scientists have vastly overstated Geological & historical Dates, they told that Mars was hit by a comet  millions of years ago NOW they said it could have been in 1.000 bc ! Dr Velikovsky already said that 1500 bc was actually 1.000 bc next Atlantis did not" sink " in 10.000 bc but around 1.055 bc .Read my Blue-THUMB-nail Rules  !

This little tidbit is known as The Giant Impactor Theory and in my opinion the best theory on how the moon was created.  Enjoy.  :)
Scientists say that 4.5 billion years ago an asteroid or small (Mars-sized) planet came careening through space and crashed into the proto-Earth. As a result of the titanic collision the impacting planet was vaporized and huge,


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 20, 2009, 09:09:17 am







PSYCHIATRIST Dr. Velikovsky.




He was a ZIONIST who was 'hell-bent' on making Israel 'important' - which was at the root of all
his 'theories'.....


Immanuel Velikovsky

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky




THE BIO IS NOT FLATTERING, BH....



TOO BAD   P S Y C H I A T R I S T   Dr. Velikovsky is not around to give YOU a thoughrough


                                                        E X A M I N A T I O N


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on May 20, 2009, 09:25:21 am
Blue Hue - why are you fixated on this Velikovsky?  If you were to study a few other things besides him, you would find that his theories cannot be correct.  Especially when it comes to the laws of physics.  You keep saying the moon bounced off earth.  It could not have done so, as I've suggested to you before, because the gravity of the earth and the lessening of momentum when it hit earth, would prevent it from escaping back out again.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on May 20, 2009, 09:32:39 am
Besides, if the Moon hit the earth I doubt very much we would be here talking about it.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 20, 2009, 09:35:31 am






ROTFLMAO,

Robert!!


Thanks for the chuckle....


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on May 20, 2009, 09:40:02 am
Yeah Robert, I've tried to tell him that before too but he doesn't get it ???

Although, I have read somewhere in this forum I think, about the "cavity" in the Pacific ocean that was supposedly caused by something hitting the earth back in the mysts somewhere.  However, I doubt it escaped out the other side of the earth and ended up back in space.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 20, 2009, 10:28:04 am
Dear............ mr. WIND,

The Moon was a captured Satelite just as Planet Pluto was once a captured Satelite by Planet Neptune !
most Satelites are unstable and tend to hit the larger one before establishing a circular or Oval orbit !
So our Moon is no differend only it happened in historical times and A( egyptian-)Astronomers could watch it.

At a later Time Egypt and Assur became enemies and the Assyrians made egyptian astronomy a FORBIDDEN science"
that is in a Nutshell why most astrophycisists have never heard of an Earth/ Moon collision ( or two.)but it is still in the Scriptures !~

Around 1870
the Brittish- marine, Depatement,  had measured the depth of the indian Ocean and concluded that it was the deepest ocean basin on Earth
so they reckoned that such a generally deep basin could only have been the imprint of a Moon-birth depending on the idea of( LaMarc ?)
that Earth was a fluid-spinn-off ( extracted from)the Sun ( by a pasing Star/ Sirius.)and the Moon spinned -off a still Fluid Earth.

However  all stonecoreEarth-like Planets originate from the exploded Star-core of a Binary ex-companion of our Sun,
or rather to be more precise in the R.Lyttleton Theorem of 1936

Our Sun was originally not a Solar system at all , but a twice larger Binary Sun-Team.
one exploded into 5 Gaseaous Planets, the 5-th beiing the largest and closed to the Sun became unstable
and exploded in it's turn( as a nova explosion. )Thus that left us with 4 Gaseous Giant Planets and one fragmented ex-Planet

This  elusive 5-th ex-planet had fractured into 3 major Planets:  Earth( twice as big then, Mars trice as big then and planet Venus trice as big too
but Plannet Venus was ejected by the explosion on a hyperbolic tract around the Sun and would return to Earth once in a 100 years( does that sound familiar ?)Mars & Earth were blown away from a possible early orbit around the Sun and started an orbit around Planet Jupiter instead.

Next in my Blue's-Atlantis theory the whole devellopement of this proto Earth warmed by nucleair reactions from Protoplasm through Dinosaurs and Neolithic era happened whilst orbiting around Planet Jupiter which as GOD" AMUN" became the Heliopolitan Chief God of the Egyptians, who sometimes " sent his EYE"(= Venus/ Astarte ejecting from the great RED- Spot to spy on Earth.)

Only when this wandering Planet Venus/ METIS became Themis/ Athene/ Minerva in one of it's wanderings hit the ocean covered Planet MARS
( in the Greeks early days Mars/ Ares,  was Called Poseidon the Sea-God.) with such heat/ force that all the water evaporated instandlyand mars orbit it combination with Venus velocity changed course towards the later /present Sun orbit pulling Earth with it,

The Ice-Ages may have been caused not in millions of years but rather within 100 ( violent !)years,  by the Water of Mars falling on nearby Earth in a frozen state, together with a lower Air preassures
on Earth.Strange but it must be a Law of nature that SNOW on mountains and the borderline above which even0-mountain trees don't grow
must be linked with lower Air-preassure or lower gravity-core attraction. certainly when air preasure becomes too low trees cannot haul-up water

However Flowers on mountaintops bloom better because of the constant sunshine which seems contradictory because the Sun seems not hot enough to melt the ( permqanent-)snow and yet summerflowers are doing well onsnowy mountaintops( in the secluded clefts free of snowfall.)

Sincerely " Blue Hue   "  dd May 20---2009

PS
I hope that you are satisfied with my reply ???

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Alright ! I have to ask a question, where did this whole moon hitting the Earth thing come from?   This is new to me.
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Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 20, 2009, 10:30:37 am
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Besides, if the Moon hit the earth I doubt very much we would be here talking about it.

Good point Robert :)

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Yeah Robert, I've tried to tell him that before too but he doesn't get it

Let's see if I can get him to understand!   I'll use terms that he can relate to.

Blue Hue-Conclusion  MOON+Earth=BIG BOOM! :o :o :o   This means no more Humans, no more Earth, and no more Moon >:( :o :'(

Sorry Blue but you can't argue with reality! ;)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 20, 2009, 10:31:47 am
Besides, if the Moon hit the earth I doubt very much we would be here talking about it.
Well aparently Seismic waves do travel a strange way largebuildings collaps but traditiona bamboo dwellings mayy have survived the resulting Floods an became riverboats!  Most cause of death with Earthquakes and Volcano-eruptions is not flying debris but asphixiation !


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 20, 2009, 10:43:23 am
Dear........mr WIND,
you had not yet read reply nr 204, when you typed your entry nr 205 so I hereby  replied with reply nr 206 + 207 Thank You.

Seismic shock-waves  travel a strange way when Moon hit earth first on Antartica it did beat a cupped-basin
but the shock was abated when the shockforce split the Atlantic sea-floor open and than the effect dissipated

However at the second Moonfalling it hit the SEAsurfice around the hawaiian isles and this time sent a TSUNAMI reeling around the Globe !
but houses then may have yet  been of Wood/ bamboo and may have become riverboats thus saving people instead from drowning

I am not familiar with Greek Folklore  costums,  but I still have a calender Sheet with King Constantine in  kakhi-millitary uniform" Beating Egg-shells" with a little Girl dressed in white the thing is to take care to keep one's own  ( boiled-)Eggs whole so you get them both( Eggs were a rich man's pivilige once.) Maybe they are acting out the once observed collision of EARTH WITH THE MOON THAT CRACKED OPEN THE  previously non- existing Ocean floors around" Pangea " !

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Besides, if the Moon hit the earth I doubt very much we would be here talking about it.

Good point Robert :)

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Yeah Robert, I've tried to tell him that before too but he doesn't get it

Let's see if I can get him to understand!   I'll use terms that he can relate to.

Blue Hue-Conclusion  MOON+Earth=BIG BOOM! :o :o :o   This means no more Humans, no more Earth, and no more Moon >:( :o :'(

Sorry Blue but you can't argue with reality! ;)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 20, 2009, 11:02:42 am
Dear............Q,

Still that is what the Bible says:
"the Satan was struck by the Army-Horsepower -chariots of the" Lord "(= Planet Mars. and it's " MARUTS"= horsemen.)
So the light-Arch- Angel" Lucifer" fell to Earth and came out the other end" but this may be a metaphore or a badly described observation delusion!
the  errant -Moon may have seemed to enter the Earth in the sea, and to come out the other end by just passing-by,  at close range !

but that's not what happensd so it is a badly decribed observation.

Actually the Moon did fall in 855 for the second time but this time not on a mountaintop as in Antartica but on the water of the Pacific Ocean at Hawaii isles. THERE it entered the Ocean in a mistofwaterfoam rolled down the Aisle and bounced offat the Indian Ocean creating the Indian Ocean (= Somali-)basin.At that time the greek astronomers still lived at South Arabia and described the MOON as DIONE- Nyssos re-apearing from the Sea coverrred in Sea-FOAM as" APHRODITE " this means that the Name Aphrodite for( not Venus but )the Moon is no older than this Event of 855 bc.

Planet Venus and PlanetMoon are often interchanged in myths which is which ? Diana, Artemis./Hathor,  or Aphrodite Moon or Venus ?!

Yeah Robert, I've tried to tell him that before too but he doesn't get it ???

Although, I have read somewhere in this forum I think, about the "cavity" in the Pacific ocean that was supposedly caused by something hitting the earth back in the mysts somewhere.  However, I doubt it escaped out the other side of the earth and ended up back in space.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 20, 2009, 11:10:56 am
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Dear........mr WIND,
you had not yet read reply nr 204, when you typed your entry nr 205 so I hereby  replied with reply nr 206 + 207 Thank You.

Blue Hue I did read your comments after I had posted, if they had changed my opinion then I would have removed my comment, but as you can see my comment is still there so my opinion stands.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 20, 2009, 11:20:28 am







QUOTE:



"Still that is what the Bible says:"


------------------------------------------------------------------------------           



What 'the Bible says' might work at Atlantis Rising, but it won't hold any water here at AO!!!


Nor will 'jumbled up' ancient mythologies.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 20, 2009, 11:27:58 am
Salmanaser-3 was an assyrian- nominal-vassal King of Egypt,
who promoted himself to a god-status by which he demonstrated the end of his vassalship to the egyptian crown.
When he noticed however that other  Syrian/ Hattian-( Hamath= Aden.)vassal-kings were not so swift to renounce their vassilage with the Egyptian Crown( of Achnaton.)
Salmanasser decided to give thema" helping hand' by laying siege to the traitors that still adhered to the egyption Hegemony while ignoring his plea for disloyalty.( which he himself punished by takeing his new" associate kingdoms "hostage toward Egyptian ransoms !  it must be said here GOD King Salmanasser- 3 was a real murdering Bastard. Saddam Hussein would be a child playing!

Would you like to switch over to another King that murders his own citizens and calls your Egyptian Pharaoh an incompitent weakling ?
Anyway thes 2 Kings Amenhoteb-3 & 4 were too ashamed of their deafeats that they did not mentionit directly in their Annals.
Worse : to hide thefact that King Salmanasser( Called : SUPPiLULiUMAS " in Hebrew")had stolen the whole of Araby from the Egyptian government
AKNATON had a city built as a copy of the Temple of ATON/ Poseidon in ADEN but as a replica in Tell el Amarna, to "keep-up Appearances "

King AHAB/ ACHAB was an egyptian Pharaoh(= AM-3)his son ACHAZIAH was AM-4 or Achnaton. ABDI- ASHIRTA was the " Heebrew" name for the King of ASSUR, who according to the Governor of "KADESZH:  Rib- ADDI was a traitor that attacked egyptian garrisons in south-Araby saying that they were rebellious against Egypt. and Achnaton believed him, because the egyptian Foreigen Minister" TUTU" was an assyrian stooge/spy.

Shalmaneser III
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Shalmaneser III (äulmānu-aöarēdu, "the god Shulmanu is pre-eminent") was king of Assyria (859 BC-824 BC), and son of the previous ruler, Ashurnasirpal II[1].

His long reign was a constant series of campaigns against the eastern tribes, the Babylonians, the nations of Mesopotamia and Syria, as well as Kizzuwadna and Urartu. His armies penetrated to Lake Van and the Taurus Mountains; the Hittites of Carchemish were compelled to pay tribute, and the kingdoms of Hamath and Aram Damascus were subdued.

In 853 BC a coalition which was formed by the kingdoms of Egypt, Hamath, Arvad, the Ammonites, "Ahab of Israel" and other neighboring states, under the leadership of king Hadadezer of Damascus, defeated the Assyrian king at Battle of Qarqar. However, the Assyrian king persevered in his attempts to subjugate Israel and Syria[citation needed]. Other battles soon followed in 849 BC and 846 BC.

In 842 BC, Shalmaneser campaigned against Hadadezer's successor Hazael, forcing him to take refuge within the walls of his capital. While Shalmaneser was unable to capture Damascus, he devastated its territory, and Jehu of Israel (whose ambassadors are represented on the Black Obelisk now in the British Museum), together with the Phoenician cities, prudently sent tribute to him in 841 BC. Babylonia had already been conquered as far as the marshes of the Chaldaeans in the south, and the Babylonian king put to death.

In 836 BC, Shalmaneser sent an expedition against the Tibareni (Tabal) which was followed by one against Cappadocia, and in 832 BC came another campaign against Urartu. In the following year, age required the king to hand over the command of his armies to the Tartan (turtānu commander-in-chief) Dayyan-Assur, and six years later, Nineveh and other cities revolted against him under his rebel son Assur-danin-pal. Civil war continued for two years; but the rebellion was at last crushed by Shamshi-Adad V, another son of Shalmaneser. Shalmaneser died soon afterwards. He had built a palace at Calah, and left several editions of the royal annals recording his military campaigns, the last of which is engraved on the Black Obelisk from Calah.

Funny...  Nothing about Egypt. 

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/538154/Shalmaneser-III


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 20, 2009, 11:29:42 am

What 'the Bible says' might work at Atlantis Rising, but it won't hold any water here at AO!!!

Nor will 'jumbled up' ancient mythologies.

" Jumbled-up ancient Mythologies " I like that !
Because that's precisely what we got from the Bible-translations.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 20, 2009, 12:04:46 pm







GET YOUR MYTHOLOGIES STRAIGHT,


                                                   A S I N O ! ! !


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Mario Dantas on May 20, 2009, 12:56:32 pm
Carl Sagan on Velikovsky:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MlN7iVIuhk


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 20, 2009, 01:03:53 pm








                                      What Carl Sagan has to say about Velikovsky






--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Glenn Schuett

I thought those with firing synapses might like to hear what Carl Sagan has to say about Velikovsky. This comes from his book

_Broca's Brain_,
1976,
ISBN 0-345-33689-5.



This is incomplete (so much to debunk!), Sagan uses more than 50 pages destroying Velikovsky's hypothesis.

Here are some of the highlights.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 20, 2009, 01:06:07 pm








                                    PROBLEM I - THE EJECTION OF VENUS BY JUPITER






Velikovsky says: Venus was ejected from Jupiter as a comet.



Sagan says:

To escape from Jupiter, the comet must have a kinetic energy of 1/2mv^2, where m=cometary mass and v=escape velocity of Jupiter. This equals about 60 km/sec. At least 10% of this kinetic energy will go into heating the comet.

The minimum kinetic energy per unit mass is 1/2v^2 = 1.3 x 10^13 ergs per gram.

The heat portion of the kinetic energy is more than 2.5 x 10^12 erg/gram. Rock melts at about 4 x 10^9 erg/gram. Thus, any event that ejected a comet or planet from Jupiter would melt rock (or organic compounds or ices).

Another problem is the escape velocity from the Sun's gravity (at the distance of Jupiter it is about 20 km/sec). Thus, if a comet leaves Jupiter at velocities less than 60 km/sec it will fall back to Jupiter; if greater than about [(20)^2 + (60)^2]^1/2 = 63 km/sec it will escape from the solar system. There is only a narrow and therefore unlikely range of velocities consistent with V's hypothesis.

Further, the mass of Venus is more than 5 x 10^27 grams. The total kinetic energy required to propel Venus from Jupiter's escape velocity is about 10^41 ergs, which is equivalent to all the energy radiated by the Sun in one year and 100 million times more powerful than the largest solar flare ever observed. V wants us to believe that an ejection event occured on Jupiter that was vastly more powerful than anything on the Sun.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 20, 2009, 01:07:42 pm








                  PROBLEM II - REPEATED COLLISIONS AMONG THE EARTH, VENUS AND MARS






Velikovsky says:

"That a comet may strike our planet is not very probable, but the idea is not absurd" (page 40 English edition).

Sagan says: [Sagan devotes several pages in the appendix calculating orbits, gravitational attractions, velocities etc.; too long and too many Greek symbols to reproduce here :)]

In short - V says that the planets have collided a total of 5 or 6 times among themselves. The odds of this happening (ignoring other problems with his hypothesis) is almost 100 billion trillion to 1 for five collisions and about one trillion quadrillion to 1 for 6 collisions.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 20, 2009, 01:10:34 pm







                                       PROBLEM III - THE EARTH'S ROTATION






This concerns the story in Joshua about the earth standing still for a day.

V is vague about the mechanism that is supposed to have breaked the Earth's rotation.

Sagan acknowledges that the Earth could slow down over a 24 hour period without it melting or people flying off, [watch AppleLiar or Wolff steal this and quote it out of context!] but the temperature generated, especially near sea level, would be about 240 degrees Kelvin, well above the boiling point of water. He shows his math in Appendix 2.

V also fails to account for the Earth starting up it's rotation again, which it can't do itself due to the law of conservation of angular momentum.

Sagan also discusses tidal gravitational and magnetic forces that would be necessary to stop the Earth's rotation.

But wait! there's more!

This is but 3 of 10 "major scientific flaws in Velikovsky's argument" that Sagan outlines. Plus he briefly goes into several more.



Go read the book. It's good.

(Long distance call from Carl Sagan for Liar Appletoon.
Will you accept the charges?).


http://www.holysmoke.org/cretins/velikov.htm


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 20, 2009, 01:16:12 pm






                                                 Venus in the Corner Pocket



                                   The Controversial Theories of Immanuel Velikovsky






In 1950 a Russian-born psychiatrist named Immanuel Velikovsky authored a controversial book. Velikovsky was extremely knowledgeable in the texts of ancient peoples. Based on his interpretation
of these texts, Velikovsky reached the conclusion that our solar system, with its nine planets, was
not always the same as we see it today.

The book, Worlds in Collision, asserted that around 3,500 years ago the planet Venus was somehow ejected from the planet Jupiter as a comet. Comet Venus then started wandering through the solar system. Its gravitational field pushed other planets out of their orbits or changed their rotation.

Velikovsky attributed many of the disasters recorded in ancient times to this strange interaction the Earth had with Venus. Material that fell from Venus's comet tail into Earth's atmosphere caused the plagues visited upon Egypt as recorded in the Bible. "Plague is throughout the land. Blood is everywhere," cried the Egyptian Ipuwer. "Men shrink from tasting, human beings thirst after water..." According to Velikovsky's thinking, a fine rusty ferruginous dust from the comet's tail filtered down on the globe turning everything red.

As Earth went deeper into the comet's tail the dust turned to small stones and a hail of gravel pelted the Earth: "...there was hail, and fire mingled in with hail, very grievous, such as there was none like it in all the land of Egypt since it became a nation," the Bible reads.

Velikovsky also credits the manna that nourished the nation of Israel during their forty-year wandering through the desert in Exodus to carbohydrates that fell to Earth from comet Venus's tail.

As Venus grew closer, the gravity of the planet caused the Earth to rock on its axis or stop and start its rotation. Earthquakes broke out and vital waves engulfed mountain ranges.



          Velikovsky speculates that this maybe when the legendary city of Atlantis sank beneath the waves.

 

The changes in rotation, according to Velikovsky, caused a prolonged darkness over the Earth. His research discovered that in Iran scholars recorded a night lasting three days followed by a day lasting three days. The Chinese recorded the same phenomena. The Bible speaks of a day when the sun stood still to allow Joshua to
finish a battle.

According to Velikovsky's work ,somewhere in the eighth century B.C., the Venus comet pushed Mars out of its proper orbit and into a close encounter with Earth. This caused earthquakes to shake the world: "Both the poles shook," wrote one observer at around 747 B.C. "and Atlas (who according to legend carried the Earth on his back) shifted the burden of the sky...The sun vanished and rising clouds obscured the heavens..." The year shortened
and ancient astrologers were forced to develop a new calender.

Finally, after many years of causing catastrophes on Earth, Venus and Mars settled into their current near-circular orbits.

Velikovsky's theories didn't fit in at all with modern astrophysics and he was criticized by most scientists. They saw his work as just another crackpot theory. And they had quite a bit of evidence to refute it.

A few scientists weren't satisfied to duke it out with Velikovsky in the marketplace of ideas, though. They made the blunder of putting pressure on Velikovsky's publisher not to publish "Worlds in Collision" as a part of the company's textbook series.

When this became known, public sympathy shifted toward Velikovsky, increasing his popularity. He was a persuasive author and many began to believe in his theories. Isaac Asimov, a Velikovsky critic (and not a bad wordsmith himself) once wrote: "He is an interesting writer. It's fun to read his books. I have read every book he has published and hope to read any he writes in the future. Although he doesn't lure me into accepting his views, I can well see where those less knowledgeable in the fields Velikovsky deals with would succumb."

So what makes scientists doubt Velikovsky's views? They have a long list of reasons why such a scenario was not possible. A few of the more important ones are:

The temperature of Venus. Actually, both sides in this controversy point to this as evidence for their claims. When Velikovsky first published his ideas the temperature on the surface of Venus was not known. As Frank Drake of the National Radio Astronomy Observatory wrote, "We would have expected a temperature of only slightly greater than that of Earth..." Velikovsky had predicted Venus, after its close encounter with Earth, Mars and the Sun, would have a much higher than expected temperature. Indeed it was discovered that the surface temperature was 750 degrees Kelvin. Hot enough to melt lead.

Carl Sagan, one of Velikovsky's most ardent critics, argued that if Venus had been ejected out of Jupiter, the required amount of energy would have heated Venus so much the planet/comet would have vaporized. And even if somehow the planet had managed to survive the ejection the temperature, even thousands of years later, claimed Sagan, would have been much greater than those found today.

Sagan also argued that if Venus had been on an extremely eccentric orbit as Velikovsky suggests, it would be highly unlikely that it could have changed its orbit so radically in the few thousand years to the nearly circular orbit that the planet enjoys today.

Velikovsky didn't seem to be concerned with the problems his theory generated for physicists. He himself said, "the ancient traditions are our best guide to the appearance and arrangement of the earliest remembered solar system, not some fancy computer's retrocalculations based upon current understanding of astronomical principles."

However, other scientific disciplines don't seem to bear out Velikovsky's ideas, either. Geologists who have cored into the world's icepacks and ocean bottoms have not found signs of the deposits Venus made upon Earth as the Earth passed through the planet/comet's tail (In fact Venus is much too massive with too strong a gravity to ever have had a visible tail as Velikovsky claims).

Venusian geology doesn't seem to support a young Venus, either. Radar studies of the planet's surface show a landscape saturated with craters. The overlapping edges of these craters show they are impact craters instead of volcanic. The high number of them show that the Venusian surface is very old. There are just too many of them to have accumulated in just the past 3,500 years.

Even in the realm of anthropology there seems to be problems with the Velikovsky theories. According to Worlds in Collision Venus did not exist before about 1,500 B.C.. In his book Velikovsky says that neither the Hindus or the Babylonians recorded the planet Venus. However Peter Huber, from the Edgennossische Technische Hochschule, Zurich, reports that in Cuneiform texts stetching as far back as 3,000 B.C., Venus is mentioned as the star connected with the rising and setting sun. Clear evidence that it occupied an orbit in between the Earth and the sun as it does today. Also in records from 1580 to 1560 B.C. observations were made of Venus that clearly puts it in an orbit identical with the planet's current orbit.

So are Velikovsky's ideas that events in the solar system might affect life on Earth worthless? No, not at all. While Velikovsky is apparently wrong about a Venus that wanders through the solar system in historical times, he may have in some small way stimulated scientific thinking on the stability of the solar system.

Isaac Asimov, who referred to Velikovsky's theories as a type of "exoheresy" wrote: "For one thing Velikfovskianism, and indeed, any exoheretical view that becomes prominent enough to force itself on science, acts to puncture scientific complacency-and that is good. An exoheresy may cause scientists to bestir themselves for the purpose of reexamining the bases of their beliefs, even if only to gather firm and logical reasons for the rejection of the exoheresy-and that is good too. An exoheresy may cause scientific activity which, in a serendipitous fashion, may uncover something worthwhile that has nothing to do with the exoheresy-and that is very good, if it happens."

When Velikovsky first wrote Worlds in Collision, many scientists rejected it not only because of reasoned arguments, but because the idea that the solar system could change or that events in space could have a profound effect on life on Earth was unsettling. Since that time science has accepted that asteroid impacts have led to massive extinctions on Earth (just ask the dinosaurs).

Even the orbits of the planets no longer seem set in stone. In an article in the September 1999 edition of Scientific American, Renu Malhotra makes a case that the planets Saturn, Uranus and Neptune may have expanded their orbits since the beginning of the solar system, while Jupiter's orbit has shrunk. He also argues that interactions between Neptune and the planet Pluto have caused the smaller planet to shift from a near circular orbit to a more eccentric one that is on a plane inclined from the rest of the planets.

Will we one day find evidence of events in the solar system that might explain what Velikovsky observed in some ancient texts? Perhaps so. But if we are to take any explanation seriously, we must bring the full weight of several scientific disciplines like anthropology, physics and geology, to bear the problem and get their results to agree.



http://www.unmuseum.org/velikov.htm


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 20, 2009, 01:22:22 pm
I admit a Moon earth collision won't be pleasant

Sorry Blue but you can't argue with reality! ;)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Mario Dantas on May 20, 2009, 01:57:33 pm
The Einstein-Velikovsky Correspondence:

http://www.varchive.org/cor/einstein/index.htm


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 20, 2009, 02:04:48 pm
I admit that  a Moon Earth collision won't be pleasant but don't forget that in that time period  not all the seafloors had spread to the present extend yet, and Pangea was still intact ,I would  even say that during the 855 bc (second )Collision  a fractured " Pangea " was still facing Planet Jupiter

In Revellation=chapter 20 and in the Ipuwer Papyrus is exactly written what happens when a cometary  body happens to fall to Earth
Everything that is loose wil fly around but humans won't be killed they have the wit to hold on to something whilst animals may just stampede !

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Besides, if the Moon hit the earth I doubt very much we would be here talking about it.

Good point Robert :)

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Yeah Robert, I've tried to tell him that before too but he doesn't get it

Let's see if I can get him to understand!   I'll use terms that he can relate to.

Blue Hue-Conclusion  MOON+Earth=BIG BOOM! :o :o :o   This means no more Humans, no more Earth, and no more Moon >:( :o :'(

Sorry Blue but you can't argue with reality! ;)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 20, 2009, 02:09:34 pm





FAIRYTALES!!!


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Mario Dantas on May 20, 2009, 03:33:45 pm
Immanuel Velikovsky: The Bonds of the Past 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS_M-ag_iKc




Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Mario Dantas on May 20, 2009, 03:40:13 pm
Worlds in Collision:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6229135744841359869


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 20, 2009, 04:10:13 pm
Quote
I admit a Moon earth collision won't be pleasant

Sorry Blue but you can't argue with reality

That's not what I meant Blue Hue, the reality is that there was no collision with our moon and there never will be!

Quote
In Revellation=chapter 20 and in the Ipuwer Papyrus is exactly written what happens when a cometary  body happens to fall to Earth
Everything that is loose wil fly around but humans won't be killed they have the wit to hold on to something whilst animals may just stampede !

Revelation is supposedly a book of future prophecies, why on earth are you using it to prove your whacked out theories on the past?


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 20, 2009, 04:18:25 pm
Thanks for all the good information Bianca, and thanks for the video's Mario, you've really helped me see just who Immanuel Velikovsky was, and what he believed.    I mean no offense to any who put stock in Velikovsky but I think that the man was a FRUITCAKE! ;D


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Horus on May 20, 2009, 04:33:01 pm
I think there needs to be an "Observations on the Ancient War of the Gods" thread.  ;)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 20, 2009, 04:58:42 pm




One more thing:

Untold money has been spent on PROVING the Old Testament.

No archaeological find has proven it yet.

On the contrary,  Egyptologists have proven that the pyramids DEFINITELY were not built using
SLAVE labour, certainly not Hebrew slaves....

Ditto for 'wandering in the desert for 40 years, the existence of King David, Solomon etc......

As for the content, it was plagiarized.

So, let's leave the Bible out of this discussion!


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on May 20, 2009, 07:38:40 pm
AMEN!  or is Ah-men?


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 20, 2009, 07:47:16 pm



Could it be.....Amun or Amen?


Like in TUT-ANKH-AMUN/AMEN.......


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on May 20, 2009, 08:23:37 pm
as in ah-men - they're a pain in the butt :D


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 20, 2009, 09:10:13 pm





ROTFLMAO,


Q!!!!


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on May 21, 2009, 12:22:36 am
Dear Blue Hue,

Next time when you post something to try and back up your wild claims can you just give us the Readers Digest version and not the War and Peace version.  I just got home from work and I tried reading your post and my eyes just glazed over.

Thanks,

Robert


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 21, 2009, 01:22:42 pm
Quote
Dear Blue Hue,

Next time when you post something to try and back up your wild claims can you just give us the Readers Digest version and not the War and Peace version.  I just got home from work and I tried reading your post and my eyes just glazed over.

Thanks,

Robert

AMEN Brother ;D


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on May 21, 2009, 11:26:17 pm
And now for something completely different.  How about we talk about the subject matter. ;D


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on May 21, 2009, 11:58:10 pm
Does anyone know where this relief came from?  It's obviously a volcano, someone drowning, buildings falling over, and someone escaping in a row boat and the "look" is Mayan or Olmec or something.  Someone posted it somewhere else and doesn't know where this particular frieze is located.  Anyone seen it before?

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2eai9fo.jpg)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 22, 2009, 05:59:01 am
Nobody but Building prospectors can " look into the Future " REVELLATIONS is not a look into the future it is just an eywhitness acout of the Moon's first collission( on Antartica) and the aftermath.


NOTE that the socalled BEAST of the APOCALYPSE ( With a mounted rider.) had a opposite twin. and looked anawfull lot like a child's icon for a white Elephant .

Besides people Thinking that " REVELATIONS" is about a future disaster on Earth must be gullible( even if they think themselves that they are not.)

Quote
I admit a Moon earth collision won't be pleasant

Sorry Blue but you can't argue with reality

That's not what I meant Blue Hue, the reality is that there was no collision with our moon and there never will be!

Quote
In Revellation=chapter 20 and in the Ipuwer Papyrus is exactly written what happens when a cometary  body happens to fall to Earth
Everything that is loose wil fly around but humans won't be killed they have the wit to hold on to something whilst animals may just stampede !

Revelation is supposedly a book of future prophecies, why on earth are you using it to prove your whacked out theories on the past?



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 22, 2009, 06:23:32 am
Dear .... ROBERT,

I know the feeling, people read less and less these days if something can only be full explained a shorter versuin won't make it better, so,   you talk about a DILLEMNA:

My shortest version the 3 THUMB rules to locate ATLANTIS in Aden  ARE CONSIDERED" NON- SCIENTIFIC

Now you asked for a Readers' Digest version but BIANCA says THAT "proves nothing"

A scientific Short Paper with connotations is too long for your attention span and  has elicited your reply/requesting  for shorter versions.

My point was always, well, that  Plato has allready indicated that ADEN was the capital of Atlantis but by a misstranslation this became an overtsight that fooled all Atlantologists.

I will "short-er  version" YOUR oversight of my EVIDENCE again: most Atlantologists have  even never heard about Plato's Atlantis location indication:

So please consider THIS and you should be able to decide automatically WHICH " Wild Claims" come near: NOT American hemisphere  shores not in the Atlantic nor Greenland those a fallacies Dr Greg LITTLE is knowingly committing a Fallacy with Cuba as " Atlantis" ( His only defence for CAYCE fraudulant YUCATAN readings is that it is not IN America.)

PS

 I mentioned : thatAcapulcio is a( provincial-)Capital of Mexico but fallacies lead a long life !)that I equated the TOPOGRAPHY of ACAPULCO with the Topography of Atlantis nobody cared to notice !

Plato said that Atlantis was located opposite an Isle in the MOUTH of the ( Western-)OCEAN and a SEA- Corridor flanked by the PILLARS( of Hercules) in the LAND of the HYPERBOREANS "

My explanation that the " Western- OCEAN is the SINUS- Arabicus, that the PILARS (in Hindi) are DIAL- indicators,
and that the LAND of the HYPERBOREANS is ARABY( ora word-corruption/ drivative of:  Hebrew-Land.(is NOT believed because 99 % of Atklantologists cannot tell the difference between GREEK & LATIN.)

WHAT can be shorter than that and why is it overlooked ?

CAYCE  & DONNELLY changed that notion into an ISLE in MID- ATLANTIC so these two authors are FORGERERS and HOAXERS( and their readers loved to be fooled into that !) (You know the old saying: " Mundus - vult - decipit"!) Mid-Atlantic is a mis-translation but who cares ?

I seem to be the ONLY one that SPOTTED that mis-translation and reported it but atlantologists reply " We don't understand your explanation"

I say are those Atlantologists Dumbo's ? They must be! if they cannot single out the one LATIN- Mistranslation from the GREEK original that they based their theories on( thus on Quicksand!)

I ask you WHAT is WILD on a ( simplest of simplest)THEORY,  about a mis-translation that anybody refuses to spot but is severely   led astray by ?

Was this short enough or not long enough either way ' BIANCA' would disapprove of it. She wants an affidavit from Plato personally( that his later rivisors changed his original Text.)

Sincerely " Blue Hue "
Dear Blue Hue,

Next time when you post something to try and back up your wild claims can you just give us the Readers Digest version and not the War and Peace version.  I just got home from work and I tried reading your post and my eyes just glazed over.

Thanks,

Robert


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 22, 2009, 06:53:12 am
WHAT  ABOUT   :" AMON-MIN " ?? as in:  AMMONITES or: "  KHEPHAR - AMMONI "(the original egyptian Name of Salomon's " OPHIR ".) :'( :o :'( or:  JAMES and " AMEN " !




Could it be.....Amun or Amen?


Like in TUT-ANKH-AMUN/AMEN.......


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods(= Moon colliding with Earth. ( in:1055 bc.)
Post by: BlueHue on May 22, 2009, 07:02:39 am
Dear  WIND,
IGNORANCE is BLISS

MOON has collided TWICE with Earth and ONCE with MARS
Egyptian Astronomers/ Amun-priests have recorded that in Historical times
and Author " Walther Schlossmann,  researched THAT in 1981 so I am not " Fibbing"

The fact that You have not heard of it yet is no fault of yours, because you don't read egyptian stuff
but others have and so I informed you about a loophole in your Knowledge ( but all I get is disbelieve.)

Sincerely " Blue Hue "

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I admit a Moon earth collision won't be pleasant

Sorry Blue but you can't argue with reality

That's not what I meant Blue Hue, the reality is that there was no collision with our moon and there never will be!

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In Revellation=chapter 20 and in the Ipuwer Papyrus is exactly written what happens when a cometary  body happens to fall to Earth
Everything that is loose wil fly around but humans won't be killed they have the wit to hold on to something whilst animals may just stampede !

Revelation is supposedly a book of future prophecies, why on earth are you using it to prove your whacked out theories on the past?



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Mario Dantas on May 22, 2009, 07:05:34 am
Qoais,

here something i found...

(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/geoarchaeology/Mayan%20stone-frieze%20proves%20that%20a%20temple%20sank%20off%20the%20Yucatan_files/aztlan00.gif)

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Detail of first page from the Aztec Boturini Codex showing the use of semasiological writing combined with phonetic glyph elements.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_writing_systems


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 22, 2009, 07:12:23 am
Dear........Q

Dr. Velikovsky in his book:  " Earth in Upheaval " has recorded many indian stories about QUETZAL COATL" which is the Moon falling to Earth ion Greek it was namesd" PHAETON or ATON.) but another less wellknown name for Moon falling to Earth was " HAEPHAISTOS( who was pushed TWICE a\over the edge of Olympus by both Parents ( because of his " Uglyness " ) in revence he told the SAMOS-Islanders to fabricate intoxic Wine( with which ODYSSEUS was able to Douze the Cyclop Polyphemus &  Jason, the Dragon Ladon, and Heracles to upset a war between the Lapyths and the Horsemen of C( I forget.)  Maybe this picture was contemporary with the 1055 bc Moon-collision.

Does anyone know where this relief came from?  It's obviously a volcano, someone drowning, buildings falling over, and someone escaping in a row boat and the "look" is Mayan or Olmec or something.  Someone posted it somewhere else and doesn't know where this particular frieze is located.  Anyone seen it before?

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2eai9fo.jpg)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 22, 2009, 07:20:39 am
Thank you MARIO for letting us see this convention scene of 1974
Maybe now you understand how greeved I was not to have met my idol before he died end 1979 !
In his honour I founded a" Children's Museum of ancient fairytales "( because 1979 was also the UNESCO-year of the" uneducated Child.")

Immanuel Velikovsky: The Bonds of the Past 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS_M-ag_iKc


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 22, 2009, 07:33:36 am
Dear  Q,

Because dr Velikovsky studied instances of violent- Constellation changes in ancient records he was able to reconstruct celestial movements of Venus along the Planets as a newcomer and Moon as a collider of Mars and Earth. This was done by egyptian astronomers but when  God- King Salmanasser-3 occupied Egyptian ARABY he forbade this knowledge and had it sricken from the( Jewish-Tora/)Bible. That's why we don't know about it .

The Present Moon in it's present condition won't be able to fall to earth or Mars, but Moon was also a newcomer in 1055 bc and had the speed of a torpedo  or cyclotron, when it hit Mars and Earth, before it stabillized into it's present orbit you may call this" Forbidden - Knowledge "

Ofcourse God King Salmanasser-3 was not omnipotented and some contemporaryMKoon observations as a newcomer(= NIBIRU !) may have survived his Censorships.  Dr Velikovsky was virtually demonised by revealing these" Secrets of the Past " and died of chagrinsadened by so much disbelieve!

Blue Hue - why are you fixated on this Velikovsky?  If you were to study a few other things besides him, you would find that his theories cannot be correct.  Especially when it comes to the laws of physics.  You keep saying the moon bounced off earth.  It could not have done so, as I've suggested to you before, because the gravity of the earth and the lessening of momentum when it hit earth, would prevent it from escaping back out again.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 22, 2009, 07:39:27 am
The White Elephant from ARABY
was demonized so the ICON-Artists circumvented this taboo by re-portraying it with a white BULL of Helios and there seemed to have been a lot iof those around in Ancient greece if we would have to believe theancient greek Myths, in Europe ( until 855 bc.) lived white Arabian Elephants maskerading as White bulls of Helios.)In fact they were the DIAL- Elephants called PILARS in Hindi-Language.( and Zeus next to AEOLUS was a Wind-God.)

Quote from Blue Hue:

The oldest " GOD " on Earth was not the BISON nor the BEAR but the WHITE Arabian Elephant called the GOD" EL "
He was also the God of Atlantis in the censored-form of the WHITE-STEEDs of POSEIDON(= an Elephant GOD !)Thus Poseidon's STEED the Winged HIPPOCAMPUS was before 855 b.c. originally a WHITE Arabian Elephant.ʾ

Ēl  is the Northwest Semitic word for "deity" , cognate to Arabic ʾilāh and Akkadian ilum.

In the Canaanite religion, or Levantine religion as a whole, El or Il was the supreme god, the father of humankind and all creatures and the husband of the Goddess Asherah as attested in the tablets of Ugarit.

The word El was found at the top of a list of gods as the Ancient of Gods or the Father of all Gods, in the ruins of the Royal Library of the Ebla civilization, in the archaeological site of Tell Mardikh in Syria dated to 2300 BC. He may have been a desert god at some point, as the myths say that he had two wives and built a sanctuary with them and his new children in the desert. El had fathered many gods, but most important were Hadad, Yam and Mot, each of whom has similar attributes to the Greek gods Zeus, Poseidon or Ophion and Hades or Thanatos respectively. Ancient Greek mythographers identified El with Cronus (not Chronos).

Where's the white elephant?


Title: Ancient War of the Gods= just Constellations that revoluted as new Starssigns!
Post by: BlueHue on May 22, 2009, 07:44:03 am
THE  GIANTS or NEPHILIM in RAPHIDDIM
were White ARABIAN  Elephants and they were killed off by God-King Salmanasser-3 a former vassal king of Egypt
Since ASSDUR enjoyed egyptian vassal-ship from 1200 until 855 bc the Assyrian Religion is a ( colloured-)copy from the egyptian one( and NOT" Older ")
Iíve looked at this story and the facts from all angles, and this is the most logical conclusion that I could come up with.   Something killed off the giants who Iím going to say were the Anunnaki followers of Enki, they were here on earth and Enlil and his followers were safe in heaven or orbit.   To punish those disobedient Anunnaki Enlil sent a genetically engineered disease to earth and wiped most of them out, thus the holocaust.

Whatever happened, we humans were immune to its affects. This all may sound crazy but it would explain why we havenít seen any giants since then.   

   For those of you who are ufologist it would also explain why every alien that has been recovered has not survived very long here, and could also explain why we humans have been abducted and experimented on, theyíre trying to figure out why we were immune, they could be trying to make themselves immune so that they can come back. Or maybe theyíve already succeeded.   I don't know about you but I havenít heard of many abductions happening lately!

These are just theories but it does make sense and would explain a few things.

Now I know that a lot of you may be thinking that Wind has lost it, but I will be providing some evidence and legends that back some of this up. So please be patient.     



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 22, 2009, 09:08:20 am




BlueHue
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      Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
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THE  GIANTYS or NEPHILIM in RAPHIDDIM were White ARABIAN  Elephants and they were killed off by God-King Salmanasser-3 a former vassal king of Egypt
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BOY, YOU SURE GOT ELEPHANTS ON THE BRAIN, BLUE HUE!!!


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue on May 22, 2009, 09:31:05 am
Some people are office ' DINOSAURS ' I am just a white-Flying-Elephant from Atlantis !


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 22, 2009, 11:03:34 am
They were the God's don't you know Bianca :o LOL ;D  Blue is obsessed with his White Elephants.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Horus on May 22, 2009, 11:58:20 am
They were the God's don't you know Bianca :o LOL ;D  Blue is obsessed with his White Elephants.


Which is unusual because they are usually *pink* for such folks. However, according to my own research, drunken Dumbo and his mouse friend did see some white ones too, as well an important tie-in to the Pyramids of Giza:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nwNPaYoTY8


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on May 22, 2009, 01:38:58 pm
It could be worse.  He could be obsessed with flying pink elephants.  8)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 22, 2009, 02:48:56 pm
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Dear  WIND,
IGNORANCE is BLISS

You should know Blue ::)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 22, 2009, 02:53:46 pm
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It could be worse.  He could be obsessed with flying pink elephants.

If he was obsessed with the pink ones it would sure explain the comments he makes  ;D


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on May 22, 2009, 03:00:17 pm
Exactly my point Wind.  I just wish he would share.  Then maybe we would finally understand what he's talking about.   ;D


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 22, 2009, 03:04:51 pm
I don't know if that would even help Robert LOL ;)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 22, 2009, 03:06:44 pm
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Which is unusual because they are usually *pink* for such folks. However, according to my own research, drunken Dumbo and his mouse friend did see some white ones too, as well an important tie-in to the Pyramids of Giza:

Horus I forgot just how trippy  that video was, itís been over 5 years since I saw it last.   Leave it to Walt Disney to throw in a little of his Masonic symbolism. Did you notice the eye just after they showed the Pyramids.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 22, 2009, 03:41:15 pm







You know, guys.....


                                   We allowed the TROLL  to do it to us AGAIN....



A perfectly good thread derailed and ruined. 

He does that everywhere he posts.  He just wants ATTENTION.  We got to make up our minds whether
we want to run a KINDERGARDEN (with a NASTY 6-year-old) here or not.....

There is not much that the Mods can do if WE Allow it to happen.



READ THIS CAREFULLY - IT'S A PERFECT DESCRIPTION OF OUR VERY OWN TROLL...


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,4148.msg37515.html#msg37515


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on May 22, 2009, 06:54:40 pm
Qoais,

here something i found...

(http://www.altarcheologie.nl/geoarchaeology/Mayan%20stone-frieze%20proves%20that%20a%20temple%20sank%20off%20the%20Yucatan_files/aztlan00.gif)

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Detail of first page from the Aztec Boturini Codex showing the use of semasiological writing combined with phonetic glyph elements.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_writing_systems

I believe that is picture represents the Atzec ancestors leaving Aztlan. I've seen the other one. I'll try and find it in my books.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Horus on May 22, 2009, 07:03:06 pm
You know, guys.....


                                   We allowed the TROLL  to do it to us AGAIN....



A perfectly good thread derailed and ruined. 

He does that everywhere he posts.  He just wants ATTENTION.  We got to make up our minds whether
we want to run a KINDERGARDEN (with a NASTY 6-year-old) here or not.....

There is not much that the Mods can do if WE Allow it to happen.



READ THIS CAREFULLY - IT'S A PERFECT DESCRIPTION OF OUR VERY OWN TROLL...


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,4148.msg37515.html#msg37515

I think he has violated the AO user agreement (http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,14086.msg143073.html#msg143073) at least a hundred times and should get the boot.

I've suggested ignoring him but that's impossible to do when he's literally everywhere.  I'm getting tired of it...maybe it's just time to bail from AO, or take another long break. There are lots of other places to hang on the I-net



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 22, 2009, 07:22:02 pm




QUOTE,


I've suggested ignoring him but that's impossible to do when he's literally everywhere.  I'm getting tired of it...maybe it's just time to bail from AO, or take another long break. There are lots of other places to hang on the I-net


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Horus,

Everybody knows how much I love AO, but this JERK is making it more and more exhausting to be here.

I am not in the mood for this s--t, at this point in my life.

YOU READ MY MIND!!!


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on May 23, 2009, 09:35:11 am
Does anyone know where this relief came from?  It's obviously a volcano, someone drowning, buildings falling over, and someone escaping in a row boat and the "look" is Mayan or Olmec or something.  Someone posted it somewhere else and doesn't know where this particular frieze is located.  Anyone seen it before?

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2eai9fo.jpg)

I think this frieze represents the Maya leaving their homeland of Tulan.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 25, 2009, 09:04:42 pm
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You know, guys.....


                                   We allowed the TROLL  to do it to us AGAIN....



A perfectly good thread derailed and ruined.  

He does that everywhere he posts.  He just wants ATTENTION.  We got to make up our minds whether
we want to run a KINDERGARDEN (with a NASTY 6-year-old) here or not.....

There is not much that the Mods can do if WE Allow it to happen.

Blue might be a troll Bianca but I do have a lot of fun anticipating what off the wall theory that he's going to come up with next!   You guy's are right however, it is his fault that we've gotten off topic again.
I hope that you and Horus don't take off, I do find your insight helpful.

If you really are that tired of him I guess you could always start a poll to see how many others feel the same way, this I'm sure would get the moderators attention.   This is just a suggestion, a cruel one yes, but a suggestion none the less.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on May 25, 2009, 09:35:05 pm
War of the Gods Vs. White elephants

 ;)

I'm kidding everyone.
Perhaps the admins., can set up an ignore button that will not allow us or "them" to see what is posted by the other.

I know it has been done in other forums, and it's better then banning.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 25, 2009, 10:02:45 pm
Does anyone know where this relief came from?  It's obviously a volcano, someone drowning, buildings falling over, and someone escaping in a row boat and the "look" is Mayan or Olmec or something.  Someone posted it somewhere else and doesn't know where this particular frieze is located.  Anyone seen it before?

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2eai9fo.jpg)

I did a little research into your photograph Qoais and found that it was taken by a Mayan scholar from Austria named Teobert Maler.   It is said that Maler took the photo at an unknown location in the Yucatan.  Author Robert B. Stacy-Judd claims to have one of Maler's photographs that proves a portion of the Yucatan sank into the ocean during the reign of the Toltecís.  Prior to Maler's death he said that he took the photo in a remote location deep in the jungles of the Yucatan. The recorded scene was just a portion of a continuous frieze that surrounded the interior of an underground chamber.   (Perhaps this is where the famous Yucatan hall of records is located?)

It is believed that the Frieze Illustrates the reason why the Mayans left the mythical homeland of Tulan.

It is rumored that the after the Frieze was discovered it was kept in the Berlin Museum until it was destroyed in a bombing.

I hope this helps.

Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 25, 2009, 10:05:38 pm
War of the Gods Vs. White elephants

 ;)

I'm kidding everyone.
Perhaps the admins., can set up an ignore button that will not allow us or "them" to see what is posted by the other.

I know it has been done in other forums, and it's better then banning.

LOL  ;D HereForNow, also that sounds like a good idea if it's possible :)  It is better than banning.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 25, 2009, 10:18:38 pm





Wind,

The SPAMMING (ask Qoais) is so bad all over the Forum, that even the


                                                      WORLD OF ELVES


got invaded!


It's gone way beyond a few threads, he's all over the place. 

It really makes AO look bad.

I did all that work the last two years, for this?


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Horus on May 25, 2009, 10:26:33 pm
War of the Gods Vs. White elephants

 ;)

I'm kidding everyone.
Perhaps the admins., can set up an ignore button that will not allow us or "them" to see what is posted by the other.

I know it has been done in other forums, and it's better then banning.

It's more effective than banning, as a banned peson can simply change their DNS and resub under another acct.

I know this feature as I have used it at other MBs and I looked for it here when I clicked Blue's profile but it doesn't seem to be an available option.  Smfforfree has great features for a free board system but doesn't have everything unfortunately.  The only recourse is banning if that will ever happen (and he deserves that after multiple posts of insults, name-calling, trolling and harassment) or leaving.  Unexplained Mysteries  (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php) is huge and I may give that a whirl...  ;)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 25, 2009, 10:39:21 pm





Wind,

The SPAMMING (ask Qoais) is so bad all over the Forum, that even the


                                                      WORLD OF ELVES


got invaded!


It's gone way beyond a few threads, he's all over the place. 

It really makes AO look bad.

I did all that work the last two years, for this?

I understand where you're coming from Bianca, I guess he has become quite a nuisance, I just found more of his nonsense on another of my threads.   Maybe a poll wouldnít be a bad idea after all?


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 25, 2009, 10:44:57 pm
We could give him a taste of his own medicine ;D



Winds 3 Red Rules Of Thumb  For BlueHue

1. If you have no proof then itís just a theory!

2. If you belittle and ridicule other peoples theories itís just plain rude!

3. If you canvas your un-provable theory across a forum itís considered spam, trolling, and inconsiderate.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Brooke on May 25, 2009, 10:51:09 pm
Sorry, guys, I just spent the last fifteen minutes going through the forum software and didn't see a single option for an "ignore" button.  Too bad, sounds like it would be useful!

If and when a certain somebody ever is botted out of here, though, it will be with an invitation to Unexplained Mysteries, it looks like he would have a great time there!

Brooke


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 25, 2009, 10:51:52 pm




The 'Report to moderator' is our best bet.

I hesitate to use a poll because I feel it will harm the Forum.  This place has been a 'labour of love'
for me and that is probably the main reason I am so angry.....

Well, at least it did become the success I aimed for....

I spent a great part of today 'reporting to moderator' in as many threads as I could find (and remember).

I suggest you do the same.   This has gone way beyond 'fun and games'.....


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on May 25, 2009, 11:05:17 pm
Blue Hue has already been through the grind at Unexplained Mysteries.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 25, 2009, 11:13:05 pm
Too bad we can't just delete his posts from our threads.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 25, 2009, 11:21:58 pm






Wind,

Brooke has a 'way' of dealing with that:

She creates a new thread, usually titled "Observation on....." and transfers all the 'offending'
threads there.

She'll probably do that here.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 25, 2009, 11:23:37 pm
That would be nice Bianca :)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Horus on May 25, 2009, 11:33:44 pm
Blue Hue has already been through the grind at Unexplained Mysteries.

Greeaat.  So you are member then, Q? How do you like it?


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on May 26, 2009, 12:49:57 am
Super challenging!  They have in-house critics that do nothing but contradict, debunk, quote peer reviewed papers, and generally try to make everyone else look stupid. I do ok until my mind starts to wander and then I can't remember what wise cracks I made earlier just to tick them off and have to keep going back to check up on myself!  It's kind of boring over there right now actually.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Horus on May 26, 2009, 01:13:09 am
That's too bad, Q. Sounds abit like Graham Hancock's Mysteries forum.  Oh well, I don't have that much time anyway, and it's probably better that I spend more time offline and get some projects done. In less than two months , APEX's  expedition leaves for the rectangles at Bimini and I need to work on that.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on May 26, 2009, 09:11:36 am
I guess it's ok for younger people Horus who really don't know fact from fiction, but it's not the same type of learning station as this is.  There are very clever people with a lot of knowledge, but it's the attitude it's dished up with that sucks.  None of the fringe writers are liked over there so they're bashed as well.  Another gal and I had a really long thread about Atlantis but they don't believe in Atlantis so anything to do with it gets hasseled.  Sounds like the Apex expedition would be more constructive and interesting.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 26, 2009, 01:17:08 pm
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Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 26, 2009, 01:20:06 pm
I've always found it interesting how in most modern churches they usually end their prayers by saying Amen.   They really have no idea who they are really worshipping.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 26, 2009, 03:30:57 pm





Wind,


Do you mind if I add the above to my Great Aten thread - with proper credit to YOU, of course!!


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 26, 2009, 04:56:58 pm





Wind,


Do you mind if I add the above to my Great Aten thread - with proper credit to YOU, of course!!

Sure go right ahead, although like I said I'm not sure where I got it at. :D


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: HereForNow on May 26, 2009, 07:44:08 pm
Well here is an option folks. Copy and paste this thread to admin., and ask them to reveiw actions.
As for one bad apple, there is always going to be one. An ignore button feature or voting are options and if this is what you want then suggest it and shoot for what your aiming to accomplish. I found that if I ignore unpleasantness, it no longer bothers me. However, I'm my own person and this is how I chose to deal with it.

Everyone has to reach for their own conclusions.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Mario Dantas on May 26, 2009, 07:50:01 pm

Dear Wind,

The excerpts you posted came from the Velikosky Archives:
http://www.varchive.org/ce/amenaten.htm

I remember having read it sometime ago...

regards,
Mario Dantas


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 27, 2009, 12:42:19 am

Dear Wind,

The excerpts you posted came from the Velikosky Archives:
http://www.varchive.org/ce/amenaten.htm

I remember having read it sometime ago...

regards,
Mario Dantas

Holy Cow! I can't believe that I quoted Velikosky, Mario, I knew that name sounded familiar when it was mentioned earlier.  Thanks for finding that out for me.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 27, 2009, 06:28:57 am






Yup, Wind,

I deleted it after I REALLY read it. 



" Akhnaten lived not in the 14th but in the 9th century"


at the same time as King Ahab and the Greeks(so he says)?

No wonder 'some people' are mixed up.....Read the bottom part - the time line is
all screwed up.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 27, 2009, 07:29:42 am






Amenhotep IV (Akhenaton)

Pharaoh of Egypt
18th Dynasty


Reign

1353 BC Ė 1336 BC
or
1351Ė 1334 BC 





King Ahab


William F. Albright dated his reign to 869 Ė 850 BC

E. R. Thiele offered the dates 874 Ė 853 BC.



There is SOLID and EXTENSIVE proof that Akhenaten lived at that time - see AMARNA, the
city he founded


There is absolutely NO archaeological evidence of the so-called Hebrew Kings, including
David and Solomon, in spite of the untold amount of money that has been spent and is
being spent on Biblical Archaeology


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Brooke on May 27, 2009, 11:14:12 am
Bluehue, I ask that you post any further thoughts on this subject in the thread:

"Ancient War of the Gods, is all about two "MOONFALLS"+Constellation change !"

Failure to do so MAY result in BAD THINGS HAPPENING TO YOU.

Thanks,

Brooke


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 27, 2009, 04:47:08 pm
Bluehue, I ask that you post any further thoughts on this subject in the thread:

"Ancient War of the Gods, is all about two "MOONFALLS"+Constellation change !"

Failure to do so MAY result in BAD THINGS HAPPENING TO YOU.

Thanks,

Brooke

Thanks Brooke, hopefully this will calm everyone down, I was trying to deal with Blue but sometimes it's hard.   I don't like to make waves and I'm sorry if this was an inconvenience to you.

Sincerely
Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 27, 2009, 04:49:43 pm
Alright now lets see if we can get the ball rolling again!  :)


Forbidden Discoveries - Ancient Atomic Blast and Aeronautical Science


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_PfhV_Hns4


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 27, 2009, 04:53:58 pm





Thanks to Qoais guidance, I have done a lot of research on both the Vimanas and ancient atomic
warfare.   The Vimana part also includes the description of a mercury-fueled airship.

It's all here at Ao, if anybody cares to look it up.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 27, 2009, 04:57:48 pm
I'll re-post it for those just joining the thread ;D





Wind:



                                               EVIDENCE OF ATOMIC WARFARE





From Post #3:


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,1760.0.html



ANCIENT FLYING MACHINE SECTION (Vimanas)


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/board,173.0.html


The Mahabharata and the Ramayana are here too:

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/board,207.0.html


I strongly lean on an atomic war/accident causing the demise of Atlantis......


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 27, 2009, 04:58:41 pm
Here's the rest.





OOPS....the page turned over, Wind.

I got more:


ANCIENT FLYING MACHINE SECTION (Vimanas)


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/board,173.0.html


The Mahabharata

and lots of ancient Indian info in the early pages (5,4,3...)


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,1987.0.html


I strongly lean on an atomic war/accident causing the demise of Atlantis......

That's why you'll find so much of it here, including a thorough investigation of tektites/desert glass.






Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 27, 2009, 05:36:59 pm
here's another video that I found, I can't understand what's being said but I found the computer animation of the ancient Vimina pretty interesting. :)

Pre-Historic wars & flying machines told in "Mahabarata" India





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jConUC-tC6g&feature=related


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on May 27, 2009, 06:48:54 pm
The Mahabarata is a "recent" or "modern" if you will, channelled text.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on May 27, 2009, 07:00:50 pm





Hi, Q!


Well, new or recent, it is very loooonnnggg.

Two of our wonderful members volunteered to copy them here in FULL.

Noemie (helped by Mishe) and Chareta decided that they preferred to put them in Eastern Mysticism.



THE MAHABARATA AND THE RAMAYAN OF VALMIKI:

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/board,207.0.html

You'll find them both there.

Thank you, ladies!!!


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on May 27, 2009, 07:33:49 pm
I might have stuck my foot in my mouth - again - I'll have to verify what it is I'm talking about.  I'm referring to the veda that talks about vimanas and ancient flying machines.  That was the one that was not hundreds and hundreds of years old but a "recent" channelling.  The Vimanika Shastra I think it was. 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on May 27, 2009, 07:41:31 pm
Wind I clicked on that film and it says "Embedding disabled by request".  Guess I don't get to see it.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 27, 2009, 09:42:48 pm
Wind I clicked on that film and it says "Embedding disabled by request".  Guess I don't get to see it.

It sure does say that Qoais, sorry about that, it worked earlier  ???   I'll see if I can find it somewhere else, it was very interesting.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on May 27, 2009, 09:52:40 pm
Here's the link to the page itself, for some reason you can only watch the video there.

http ://www. youtube. com/watch?v=jConUC-tC6g&feature=related

I put spaces in it so that it wouldn't link to the video.   You'll have to type it out.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Brooke on May 28, 2009, 01:17:57 am
No problem, Wind, hopefully there are no more problems!

Brooke


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 07:35:54 am
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Here is some information from an aquaintance of mine who has studied Egypt for years regarding Velikovsky's erroneous time line.

Hi, Qoais

I've come across Velikovsky's date-revision in the past but am not completely familiar with the logic behind it. I don't know on what he bases his argument, for instance, but the evidence does solidly argue against him. The few years following Akhenaten are a bit murky (leading into Tutankhamun's reign), but nearly all of Dynasty 18 leading up to and including Akhenaten is very well established in chronology. It seems to me Velikovsky is trying to remove Akhenaten from his context, which doesn't work. A plethora of statuary and reliefs clearly proclaim him to be the son of Amunhotep III, one of the greatest kings of the New Kingdom. In fact, we know beyond doubt that Akhenaten wasn't even originally to have become the next king. His older brother, the crown prince Tuthmose, predeceased Amunhotep III, which is how Akhenaten (as Amunhotep IV) got the throne. He was next in line. We also know beyond doubt that his mother was Queen Tiy, one of the most powerful queens of the time. She helped him maintain power throughout the kingdom after Akhenaten built and shut himself inside his new capital, Akhetaten.

I don't think I need to go into details, unless you specifically wish me to. However, I can also add that there is a fair amount of written records from Syro-Palestine addressed to the court of Akhenaten, when the Hittites were plundering the area and they (the leaders of Syro-Palestinian cities) were appealing for help. Suffice it to say, Akhenaten is solidly situated within late Dynasty 18 of the New Kingdom. The evidence on that is unshakable. The period Velikovsky favors is much later, during the rise of the Assyrian empire, which itself would conquer Egypt. Their own records as well as Egyptian records clearly show the line of Egyptian monarchs at that time, and Akhenaten is not among them. He had already been dead for centuries.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 07:55:05 am
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                                                      Titanomachy

     After Kronos overthrew his father Ouranos, the Titans - twelve in number - ruled, with Kronos as their head.

Each of the male Titans joined with one of his sisters to produce children. Kronos married his sister Rhea, but was told by his parents that he would be defeated by his own son. To thwart this prophesy, he swallowed each of his and Rhea's children as they were born - Hestia, Demeter, Hera, Hades, and Poseidon. Being immortal, this did not kill them, but they remained trapped inside him.

Rhea grieved for the loss of her children. So, when she was close to giving birth to Zeus, she consulted with her parents Gaia and Ouranos. They revealed the future to her, showing her how to thwart Kronos. First, Rhea went to the island of Crete to give birth to her son. When he was born, his infant cries were drowned out by the Kouretes, attendants of his mother, who clashed their weapons together. He was kept hidden in a cave and reputedly nursed by a goat named Amaltheia, although in some versions Amaltheia was the owner of the goat. The horn of this goat may have been the famous horn of plenty (a detail added by Ovid, but possibly with precedent) and it

When Kronos came to Rhea for their child, Rhea gave him instead a stone, wrapped in cloths. Not noticing, he swallowed the stone instead.

The infant Zeus grew quickly - Hesiod's Theogony says it took only a year. Between his strength and the advice of Gaia, Zeus was able to force Kronos to throw up first the stone, and then all his siblings one by one. Alternatively, according to the Apollodoros, the Titaness Metis tricked Kronos into swallowing an emetic.

What happened immediately after [Kronos regurgitated his children] is not clear, but the war between the gods and Titans - the Titanomachy - soon begins. Unfortunately the epic poem of that name, which would have told us much, is lost. The first complete account we have is in Apollodorus (which was probably written in the 1st century A.D.).

Some of the children of the other Titans - such as Iapetos' son Menoetius - fought alongside their forebears. Others - including Iapetos' other children Prometheus and Epimetheus - did not.

The war was fought without success on either side for ten years (a traditional period for a long war; note that the Trojan War also lasted ten years), with the gods based on Mount Olympus, and the Titans on Mount Othrys. These two mountains flank the area of northern Greece called Thessaly, Olympus to the north, and Othrys to the south.

Since both sides of this war were immortal, no permanent casualties were possible. Finally, however, the gods triumphed with the aid of older powers.

Ouranos had long ago imprisoned the three Cyclopes and the three Hundred-Handers (Hekatoncheires) in dark Tartaros. Again advised by Gaia, Zeus freed these monstrous cousins of the Titans and was rewarded with their aid. The Cyclopes gave lightning and thunder to Zeus to wield as weapons, and in later accounts also created Hades' helmet of darkness and Poseidon's trident.

The Hundred-Handers provided more direct assistance. In the final battle, they kept the Titans under a constant barrage of hundreds thrown rocks, which together with the other gods' strengths, particularly Zeus' thunderbolts, overcame the Titans. The defeated Titans were hauled down to Tartaros and imprisoned there, and the Hundred-Handers became their jailors.

Or at least that is how Hesiod concludes his vivid description of the battle. However, elsewhere in his Theogony, and in other poems, we see that in fact many of the Titans did not remain there.

The children of Iapetos had varied fates - Menoetius was like his father cast into Tartaros, or destroyed by Zeus' thunderbolt. But the varied fates of Iapetos' other sons - Atlas, Prometheus, and Epimetheus - did not involve imprisonment for fighting in the war.

Many of the female Titans or daughters of the Titans - such as Themis, Mnemosyne, Metis - were also obviously not imprisoned. (Perhaps they did not participate in the fighting.) In any case, they became the mothers of the Muses, Horai, Moirai, and - in a manner of speaking - Athena.

The mythological record is silent on most of the rest of the Titans, but a later myth said that Kronos himself was eventually released by Zeus, and he was assigned to rule over the Isles of the Blessed, where the spirits of heroes went after death.

P.S.  Not sure if anyone had posted anything similar to this.  Thought it was pertinent to the discussion.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:01:06 am
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Tartarus is the lowest region of the world, as far below earth as earth is from heaven. According to the Greek poet Hesiod, a bronze anvil falling from heaven would take nine days and nights to reach earth, and an object would take the same amount of time to fall from earth into Tartarus. Tartarus is described as a dank, gloomy pit, surrounded by a wall of bronze, and beyond that a three-fold layer of night. Along with Chaos, Earth, and Eros, it is one of the first entities to exist in the universe.

While Hades is the main realm of the dead in Greek mythology, Tartarus also contains a number of characters. In early stories, it is primarily the prison for defeated gods; the Titans were condemned to Tartarus after losing their battle against the Olympian gods, and the hecatoncheires stood over them as guards at the bronze gates. When Zeus overcomes the monster Typhus, born from Tartarus and Gaia, he hurls it too into the same abyss.

However, in later myths Tartarus becomes a place of punishment for sinners. It resembles Hell and is the opposite of Elysium, the afterlife for the blessed. When the hero Aeneas visits the underworld, he looks into Tartarus and sees the torments inflicted on characters such as the Titans, Tityos, Otus and Ephialtes, and the Lapiths. Rhadymanthus (and, in some versions, his brother Minos) judges the dead and assigns punishment. 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:06:32 am
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Labor Ten: the Cattle of Geryon

In creating monsters and formidable foes, the Greek mythmakers used a simple technique of multiplication. Thus Geryon, the owner of some famous cattle that Heracles was now instructed to steal, had three heads and/or three separate bodies from the waist down. His watchdog, Orthrus, had only two heads. This Labor took place somewhere in the country we know as Spain. The hound Orthrus rushed at Heracles as he was making off with the cattle, and the hero killed him with a single blow from the wooden club which he customarily carried. Geryon was dispatched as well, and Heracles drove the herd back to Greece, taking a wrong turn along the way and passing through Italy.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:09:32 am
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[quoteP.S.  Not sure if anyone had posted anything similar to this.  Thought it was pertinent to the discussion.][/quote]

It is very pertinent to this discussion Robert    Thank you for sharing this.

I did notice something at the first of the summary that was new to me, and that is the fact that Kronos had parents!   I had never heard of this before, I had always thought of him as being the first of the Greek Gods.

The Gods were flesh and blood beings!  I have always believed this,  primitive man viewed them as Godís because they wielded powers and abilities that must have seemed supernatural.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:12:27 am
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I'm glad I could help.  I noticed something about it too.  I was under the impression that it was the fates that told Kronos that his children would over though him.   


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:14:28 am
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"fates", "muses", "gods" - are they not all more or less the same?  Ultimate beings that were beyond the scope and ken of mere mortals?

Speaking of the demi-god Heracles, as I recall the story, Geryon chased him, and to prevent Geryon from catching him, he struck the mountain with his mace and split it in two - which supposedly created the Straits of Gibraltar.  So - if the cattle were in Spain, would it not be a waste of time then, to split a mountain in the south - the direction opposite to where he needed to go?  The Strait of Gibraltar is south of Spain.  Greece is East.  If Heracles was chasing the cattle homeward, and he split the mountain (supposedly now called the Pillars of Heracles) he would have had to be running south into Africa.

Therefore - Geryon was not in Spain - or Gibraltar is not the Pillars of Heracles -


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:16:22 am
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Hereís a little more on Kronos also spelled Cronos.


In Greek mythology and early myths


In ancient Greek myths, Cronus envied the power of his father, the ruler of the universe, Ouranos. Ouranos drew the enmity of Cronus' mother, Gaia, when he hid the gigantic youngest children of Gaia, the hundred-armed Hecatonchires and one-eyed Cyclopes, in Tartarus, so that they would not see the light. Gaia created a great adamant sickle and gathered together Cronus and his brothers to persuade them to kill Ouranos. Only Cronus was willing to do the deed, so Gaia gave him the sickle and placed him in ambush. When Ouranos met with Gaia, Cronus attacked him with the sickle by cutting off his genitals, castrating him and casting the severed member into the sea. From the blood (or, by a few accounts, semen) that spilled out from Ouranos and fell upon the earth, the Gigantes, Erinyes, and Meliae were produced. From the member that was cast into the sea, Aphrodite later emerged. For this, Ouranos threatened vengeance and called his sons titenes (according to Hesiod meaning "straining ones," the source of the word "titan", but this etymology is disputed) for overstepping their boundaries and daring to commit such an act.
In an alternate version of this myth, a more benevolent Cronus overthrew the wicked serpentine Titan Ophion. In doing so, he released the world from bondage and for a time ruled it justly.
After dispatching Ouranos, Cronus re-imprisoned the Hecatonchires, the Gigantes, and the Cyclopes and set the dragon Campe to guard them. He and Rhea took the throne of the world as king and queen. This period of Cronus' rule was called the Golden Age, as the people of the time had no need for laws or rules; everyone did the right thing, and immorality was absent.
Cronus learned from Gaia and Ouranos that he was destined to be overcome by his own son, just as he had overthrown his father. As a result, although he sired the gods Demeter, Hera, Hades, Hestia, and Poseidon by Rhea, he swallowed them all as soon as they were born to preempt the prophecy. When the sixth child, Zeus, was born Rhea sought Gaia to devise a plan to save them and to eventually get retribution on Cronus for his acts against his father and children. Rhea secretly gave birth to Zeus in Crete, and handed Cronus a stone wrapped in swaddling clothes, also known as the Omphalos Stone, which he promptly swallowed, thinking that it was his son.
Rhea kept Zeus hidden in a cave on Mount Ida, Crete. According to some versions of the story, he was then raised by a goat named Amalthea, while a company of Kouretes, armored male dancers, shouted and clapped their hands to make enough noise to mask the baby's cries from Cronus. Other versions of the myth have Zeus raised by the nymph Adamanthea, who hid Zeus by dangling him by a rope from a tree so that he was suspended between the earth, the sea, and the sky, all of which were ruled by his father, Cronus. Still other versions of the tale say that Zeus was raised by his grandmother, Gaia.
Once he had grown up, Zeus used a poison given to him by Gaia to force Cronus (Kronos or Kronus) to disgorge the contents of his stomach in reverse order: first the stone, which was set down at Pytho under the glens of Mount Parnassus to be a sign to mortal men, then the goat, and then his two brothers and three sisters. In other versions of the tale, Metis gave Cronus an emetic to force him to disgorge the children, or Zeus cut Cronus' stomach open. After freeing his siblings, Zeus released the Gigantes, the Hecatonchires, and the Cyclopes, who forged for him his thunderbolts. In a vast war called the Titanomachy, Zeus and his brothers and sisters, with the help of the Gigantes, Hecatonchires, and Cyclopes, overthrew Cronus and the other Titans. Afterwards, many of the Titans were confined in Tartarus. Some Titans were not banished to Tartarus. Atlas, Cronus, Epimetheus, Menoetius, Oceanus and Prometheus are examples of Titans who were not imprisoned in Tartarus following the Titanomachy. Gaia bore the monster Typhon to claim revenge for the imprisoned Titans, though Zeus was victorious. Accounts of the fate of Cronus after the Titanomachy differ. In Homeric and other texts he is imprisoned with the other Titans in Tartarus. In Orphic poems, he is imprisoned for eternity in the cave of Nyx. Pindar describes his release from Tartarus, where he is made King of Elysium by Zeus. In another version, the Titans released the Cyclopes from Tartarus, and Cronos was awarded the kingship among them, beginning a Golden Age.
Other children Cronus is reputed to have fathered include Chiron, by Philyra.
Cronos is again mentioned in the Sibylline Oracles, particularly book three, which makes Cronos, 'Titan' and Iapetus, the three sons of Ouranos and Gaia, each to receive a third division of the Earth, and Cronos is made king over all. After the death of Ouranos, Titan's sons attempt to destroy Cronos' and Rhea's male offspring as soon as they are born, but at Dodona, Rhea secretly bears her sons Zeus, Poseidon and Hades and sends them to Phrygia to be raised in the care of three Cretans. Upon learning this, sixty of Titan's men then imprison Cronos and Rhea, causing the sons of Cronos to declare and fight the first of all wars against them. This account mentions nothing about Cronos either killing his father or attempting to kill any of his children.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:18:22 am
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El, the Phoenician Cronus

When Hellenes encountered Phoenicians and later, Hebrews, they identified the Semitic El, by interpretatio graeca, with Cronus. The association was recorded as late as Philo, reported in Eusebius' Prśparatio Evangelica I.10.16, as Peter Walcot observed.
The account ascribed by Eusebius to the semi-legendary pre-Trojan War Phoenician historian, Sanchuniathon, indicates that Cronus was originally a Canaanite ruler who founded Byblos and was subsequently deified. This version gives his alternate name as Elus or Ilus, and states that in the 32nd year of his reign, he emasculated, slew and deified his father Epigeius or Autochthon "whom they afterwards called Uranus". It further states that after ships were invented, Cronos, visiting the 'inhabitable world', bequeathed Attica to his own daughter Athena, and Egypt to Thoth the son of Misor and inventor of writing


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:21:51 am





Wind:


"It further states that after ships were invented, Cronos, visiting the 'inhabitable world', bequeathed Attica to his own daughter Athena, and Egypt to Thoth the son of Misor and inventor of writing"


Wasn't  Athena the daughter of Zeus?


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:24:33 am
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Quote from: Bianca on June 06, 2009, 05:45:08 am




Wind:


"It further states that after ships were invented, Cronos, visiting the 'inhabitable world', bequeathed Attica to his own daughter Athena, and Egypt to Thoth the son of Misor and inventor of writing"


Wasn't  Athena the daughter of Zeus?


Apparently there are many different versions to the stories Bianca.    Here's what I found on Wikipedia.

In The Greek Myths, Robert Graves notes early myths about the birth of Athena which describe her as a goddess from Libya, whose worship came to the Greeks from Crete after arriving there as early as 4,000 BC. According to Graves, Hesiod (c. 700 BC) relates that Athena was a parthenogenous daughter of Metis, wisdom or knowledge, a Titan who ruled the fourth day and the planet Mercury. Other variants relate that although Metis was of an earlier generation of the Titans, Zeus became her consort when his cult gained dominance. In order to avoid a prophecy made when that change occurred, that any offspring of his union with Metis would be greater than he, Zeus swallowed Metis to prevent her from having offspring, but she already was pregnant with Athena. Metis gave birth to Athena and nurtured her inside Zeus until Athena burst forth from his forehead fully armed with weapons given by her mother.

Late Classical Greek myths most commonly describe Athena as the "daughter" of Zeus, born from his head after he swallowed her pregnant mother. She famously wields the thunderbolt and the Aegis, which she and Zeus share exclusively.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:26:19 am
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Good grief!  And just what does all that mean in psycho babble?   


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:28:05 am
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Quote from: Qoais on June 07, 2009, 01:01:44 am
Good grief!  And just what does all that mean in psycho babble? 


psycho babble?    I'm afraid you lost me Qoais.   


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:29:58 am
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Sorry wind!  What I meant was - what is the meaning of all this?  Obviously one does not swallow their wife or their child, and children do not pop out of their father's foreheads - so what is this telling us? I was intimating that a pschiatrist might be able to explain it in professional language - psycho babble 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:32:14 am
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Symbolically, what is another explanation to this story?
 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:33:57 am
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Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:36:25 am
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I can see where planets were given names and whatever was happening with the planets was being given "humanization".  Instead of saying the planets collided, they say one ate the other.  But still, what is this that is being said?  What is being described?  The making of our solar system?  If so, who witnessed this to pass this story down?


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:39:09 am
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However, I did not ask who wrote it down.  I asked who witnessed this event, whatever it is that is being described with planets eating each other, that it could be passed down to then be later written down?  Someone had to know this is what happened for it to be recorded in the histories.  It's a pretty complicated subject for someone to have just made it up out of thin air.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:40:49 am
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However, I did not ask who wrote it down.  I asked who witnessed this event, whatever it is that is being described with planets eating each other, that it could be passed down to then be later written down?  Someone had to knowthis is what happened for it to be recorded in the histories.  It's a pretty complicated subject for someone to have just made it up out of thin air.




Qoais I understand where your coming from and I'm currently working on a theory I have that might explain this. I'm thinking that it's symbolic.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:42:36 am
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Other variants relate that although Metis was of an earlier generation of the Titans, Zeus became her consort when his cult gained dominance. In order to avoid a prophecy made when that change occurred, that any offspring of his union with Metis would be greater than he, Zeus swallowed Metis to prevent her from having offspring, but she already was pregnant with Athena. Metis gave birth to Athena and nurtured her inside Zeus until Athena burst forth from his forehead fully armed with weapons given by her mother.


Alright Iím going to pick this apart line by line.



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ďIn order to avoid a prophecy made when that change occurred, that any offspring of his union with Metis would be greater than heĒ

Iím going to say that offspring means government or kingdom, an offspring or offshoot of the original kingdom that being of Zeus.


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ďZeus swallowed Metis to prevent her from having offspring, but she already was pregnant with Athena. ď

Zeus tried to stop this new kingdom before it ever came to power, he did this by conquering and taking over itís mother kingdom, but what he did not know was that the seeds of this new kingdom had already been sown. (Rebellion was inevitable!)


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ďMetis gave birth to Athena and nurtured her inside Zeus until Athena burst forth from his forehead fully armed with weapons given by her mother.Ē

This new kingdom must have stayed hidden until it was strong a powerful enough to show itself and come out fighting.

Qoais I now believe what we have here is the birth of Athens, like you pointed out earlier in one of my other threads the Europeans love to give gender to things.

What now interests me though is these parent kingdoms 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:45:26 am
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I might just be repeating myself but I wanted to make this a little more clear 

Letís look as Zeus and Metis not as a God and Titan but as kingdoms,  Metis was the older kingdom and Zeus was younger.   
Apparently these two kingdoms at one time must have been warring with one another but at some point struck a truce.  Now from somewhere there came a prophecy that said that from this truce there would arise a new kingdom that would defeat the kingdom of Zeus. (It is this prophecy that interest me also!)   
Zeus of course couldnít risk losing itís power and so it conquered the older kingdom of Metis in hopes of quashing any uprising.   It was too late however, the new kingdom was already in the works and was quickly gaining power.   When it had gained enough support and was well armed, it revealed itself and took over itís parent kingdoms, thus Athens became a world power.
 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:47:10 am
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Wind,

I ran across this site today...looks like the work of giants to me!!

http://bayimages.net/peru/sacsayhuaman/

It was referneced in the following article;

http://tcpubs.com/brunnen/articles/index.html

ILAL

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Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 17, 2009, 08:56:11 am





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I reposted all YOUR original posts with minor editing of some of them.

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Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Horus on June 17, 2009, 03:52:43 pm
Many thanks, Brooke!

City Found In India Irradiated By Nuclear Blast 8,000 Years Ago...

Excerpt from the World Island Review, January 1992.
9-10-00

Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous
 
A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.
 
For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945.
 
The Mahabharata clearly describes a catastrophic blast that rocked the continent. "A single projectile charged with all the power in the Universe...An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as 10,000 suns, rose in all its splendor...it was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes an entire race.
 
"The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. Their hair and nails fell out, pottery broke without any apparent cause, and the birds turned white.
 
"After a few hours, all foodstuffs were infected. To escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves into the river."
 
Historian Kisari Mohan Ganguli says that Indian sacred writings are full of such descriptions, which sound like an atomic blast as experienced in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He says references mention fighting sky chariots and final weapons. An ancient battle is described in the Drona Parva, a section of the Mahabharata. "The passage tells of combat where explosions of final weapons decimate entire armies, causing crowds of warriors with steeds and elephants and weapons to be carried away as if they were dry leaves of trees," says Ganguli.
 
"Instead of mushroom clouds, the writer describes a perpendicular explosion with its billowing smoke clouds as consecutive openings of giant parasols. There are comments about the contamination of food and people's hair falling out."
 
Archeologist Francis Taylor says that etchings in some nearby temples he has managed to translate suggest that they prayed to be spared from the great light that was coming to lay ruin to the city. "It's so mid-boggling to imagine that some civilization had nuclear technology before we did. The radioactive ash adds credibility to the ancient Indian records that describe atomic warfare."
 
Construction has halted while the five member team conducts the investigation. The foreman of the project is Lee Hundley, who pioneered the investigation after the high level of radiation was discovered.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Horus on June 18, 2009, 12:12:50 pm
Early And Ancient Records Of Flying Machines
6-8-2


* Quote of Roger Bacon, Friar, 13th century: "Flying machines as these were of old, made even in our days."
 
* Hermes or Mercury wore winged sandals and a winged hat. He could fly at great speed. Merely a legend? Often legends are based on real happenings passed down through the generations and the only record of what happened thousands of years before records were written down.
 
* Daedalus constructed wings for his son Icarus, but in piloting his glider the boy flew too high and fell into the sea (now known as the Icarian Sea). Daedalus was not a mythological figure, he was an aeronautical designer, one of the engineers of Knossos. They constructed water-chutes in parabolic curves to conform exactly to the natural flow of water - streamlined... Streamline could only be produced by long years of scientific development and is an essential part of aerodynamics, which Daedalus must have mastered.
 
* The Chinese Annals relate that Emperor Shun (2258-2208 B.C.) constructed not only a flying apparatus but even made a parachute about the same time Daedalus built his gliders.
 
* Emperor Cheng Tang (1766 B.C.) ordered Ki-Kung-Shi to design a flying chariot. The latter completed the assignment and tested the aircraft in flight, reaching the province of Honan. Subsequently the vessel was destroyed by imperial edict as Cheng Tang was afraid the secret of its mechanism might fall into enemy hands. This implies that the Emperor and his sages must have had blueprints of this skyship.
 
* The Chinese poet Chu Yuan (3rd Century B.C.) wrote of his flight in a jade chariot at a high altitude over the Gobi Desert towards the Kun Lun Mountains. He accurately described how the aircraft was unaffected by the winds and dust of the Gobi, and how he conducted an aerial survey.
 
* In the early part of the fourth century Ko-Hung wrote about a helicopter in China: "Some have made flying cars with wood from the inner part of the jujube tree, using ox leather straps fastened to rotating blades to set the machine in motion."
 
* The Sanscrit term 'vimana vidya' means 'the science of building and piloting airships'. Why would they use or need such a term?
 
* The Indian classic 'Mahabharata', one of the oldest books in the world, speak of 'an aerial chariot with the sides of iron and clad with wings'. An aeroplane?
 
* The Ramayana describes the 'vimana' as a double deck circular aircraft with portholes and a dome. It flew with the 'speed of the wind' and gave forth a 'melodious sound'. Now that sounds more advanced than the jets we see now - what were they?
 
A pilot had to be well trained otherwise no vimana was placed in his hands. The vimana could stop and remain motionless in the sky. The ancient classic gives an account of how the vimana soared above the clouds - from that altitude 'the ocean looked like a small pool of water'. The aviator was able to see the ocean coast and deltas of rivers.
 
The vimanas were kept in 'vimana griha' or hangars. They were propelled by a yellowish-white liquid and employed for warfare, travel or sport. One is amazed at the wealth of detail in this ancient tale and wonders what stimulated it - fantasy of the authors or actual memories and/or happenings?
 
* In ancient India six young men constructed a dirigible airship - the Pantachantra contains the full story of the experiment. The machine was operated by a complex control system, providing a safe, fast flight and perfect manoeuvrability.
 
* There are two categories of ancient Sanscrit texts - the factual records known as the Manusa and the mythical and religious literature known as the Daiva. The Samara Sutradhara, which belongs to the factual type of records, treats air travel from every angle. The book contains 230 stanzas about the construction of flying machines. It deals not only with take-off, cruising for thousands of kilometers, normal and forced landings, but even with possible collisions of aircraft with birds! The same source mentions the 'Samhara', a missile that crippled and the 'Moha', a weapon that produced a state of complete paralysis.
 
* The pyramid texts contain a curious interpretation of the purpose of the pyramids: as a ramp to the sky so that man may go up to the sky.
 
* There are 5000-year old images of Isis which portray the goddess with folded wings.
 
* Folklore from all over the world has strange tales about flying machines. In 1958 the Smithsonian Institute published the results of American, Soviet and Indian archaeological research which indicated that 10000 years ago the Eskimos lived in Central Asia. How did they reach Greenland? Possibly on foot or sleighs - but the Eskimo legend says that they were brought to the arctic north by 'giant iron birds'.
 
* Near Madison, Wisconsin, one can see on the ground from a great distance colossal gravel carvings of birds, that measure 62 metres from one wing tip to another. Planes?
 
* A photographic survey by the Peruvian Air Force of the arid tablelands of Nasca showed a network of lines and geometrical figures on the ground as far as the eye can see. The lines were made by human hands by removing darker stones from the soil and exposing the lighter inner layer - an undertaking that must have taken years to complete. There are contours of animals and birds besides triangles and trapezoids. Most of the lines run in such a way that there is no connection between them and the more recent Inca roads. The area covered by these markings is vast, it covers hundreds of square kilometers. The age of the Nasca patterns was estimated to be at least 1500 years. The Indians say the giant pictures on the ground were made by another race before the advent of the Incas. The designs and lines can be seen from the air only at an altitude of over 350 metres - for who were these markings intended?
 
* In Salvador an antique vase was found which show human figures in a dirigible in flight. Any connection with that and the Nasca lines?
 
Source: We Are Not The First, Andrew Tomas, 1971. This Australian's research was conducted in the British Museum of London, The Bibliotheque Nationale in Paris and the Lenin Library of Moscow.
 
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/9054/ancient.html 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 18, 2009, 01:18:20 pm

VIMANAS USED QUICKSILVER

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,1980.0.html



ANCIENT FLYING MACHINES
Several entries

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/board,173.0.html


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Horus on June 18, 2009, 01:48:27 pm

VIMANAS USED QUICKSILVER

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,1980.0.html



ANCIENT FLYING MACHINES
Several entries

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/board,173.0.html

Wow!  :o I didn't realize that we had an entire section devoted to that here! That's an impressive collection articles, B! Thanks!


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 18, 2009, 02:22:29 pm





LOL, Horus....


I guess by now you would have figured out I go on 'periodic binges'.

That was my "VIMANA" binge.  It will resume soon.....



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 18, 2009, 02:31:30 pm





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Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on June 18, 2009, 05:06:19 pm
Which books of The Mahabharata depicted the flying machines?


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on June 18, 2009, 05:07:50 pm
Vimanika Shastra - but it is not "ancient"  It was channnelled in what we call recent history.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Bianca on June 18, 2009, 10:30:10 pm









".........According to the Dronaparva, part of the Mahabarata, and the Ramayana, one Vimana described was shaped like a sphere and born along at great speed on a mighty wind generated by mercury. It moved like a UFO, going up, down, backwards and forewards as the pilot desired. In another Indian source, the Samar, Vimanas were "iron machines, well-knit and smooth, with a charge of mercury that shot out of the back in the form of a roaring flame." Another work called the Samaranganasutradhara describes how the vehicles were constructed. It is possible that mercury did have something to do with the propulsion, or more possibly, with the guidance system. Curiously, Soviet scientists have discovered what they call "age-old instruments used in navigating cosmic vehicles" in caves in Turkestan and the Gobi Desert. The "devices" are hemispherical objects of glass or porcelain, ending in a cone with a drop of mercury inside.

It is evident that ancient Indians flew around in these vehicles, all over Asia, to Atlantis presumably; and even, apparently, to South America. Writing found at Mohenjodaro in Pakistan (presumed to be one of the "Seven Rishi Cities of the Rama Empire") and still undeciphered, has also been found in one other place in the world: Easter Island! Writing on Easter Island, called Rongo-Rongo writing, is also undeciphered, and is uncannily similar to the Mohenjodaro script. Was Easter Island an air base for the Rama Empire's Vimana route? (At the Mohenjo-Daro Vimana-drome, as the passenger walks down the concourse, he hears the sweet, melodic sound of the announcer over the loudspeaker,

"Rama Airways flight number seven for Bali, Easter Island, Nazca, and Atlantis is now ready for boarding. Passengers please proceed to gate number..") in Tibet, no small distance, and speaks of the "fiery chariot" thusly: "Bhima flew along in his car, resplendent as the sun and loud as thunder... The flying chariot shone like a flame in the night sky of summer ... it swept by like a comet... It was as if two suns were shining. Then the chariot rose up and all the heaven brightened."

In the Mahavira of Bhavabhuti, a Jain text of the eighth century culled from older texts and traditions, we read:

"An aerial chariot, the Pushpaka, conveys many people to the capital of Ayodhya. The sky is full of stupendous flying-machines, dark as night, but picked out by lights with a yellowish glare"

The Vedas, ancient Hindu poems, thought to be the oldest of all the Indian texts, describe Vimanas of various shapes and sizes: the "ahnihotra-vimana" with two engines, the "elephant-vimana" with more engines, and other types named after the kingfisher, ibis and other animals........"



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Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on July 09, 2009, 03:48:21 pm
Is the War of the Gods over? Or has it just been dormant for 12,000 years?

Ancient texts and prophecies from all over the world speak of the return of the Gods, God, or some Savior!

If this is true then when will this happen?  2012?   Perhaps not!

2012 we are finding out is not the end of the world as some doomsayers would like to believe, but rather 2012 is a new beginning, and quite possibly a jump in planetary vibration, or evolution.
The return of the Gods has been described as a time of cleansing, a time when evil will be destroyed, a time of war!   A reoccurring question throughout this thread has been are theses gods/aliens good or bad, if this jump in vibration is set in stone then why would a cleansing be needed?

Many have theorized that they are coming to assist us with our transition to this higher vibration, but for some reason Iíve never been able to buy this.
According to Sitchen and Tsarion and many other researchers these gods/aliens have always sought to enslave us!  So why would they now be trying to help us? Whatís changed?

I have my theories and proofs I just wanted to throw this out there and get some different opinions.   I also thought that this would be a good way to get this thread going again.

Wind


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on July 09, 2009, 03:49:26 pm
He's a Video that I just discovered while researching this.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=syVyb4ebns0


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Horus on July 09, 2009, 04:39:26 pm
2012 we are finding out is not the end of the world as some doomsayers would like to believe, but rather 2012 is a new beginning, and quite possibly a jump in planetary vibration, or evolution.
The return of the Gods has been described as a time of cleansing, a time when evil will be destroyed, a time of war!   A reoccurring question throughout this thread has been are theses gods/aliens good or bad, if this jump in vibration is set in stone then why would a cleansing be needed?

Hi Wind welcome back!  :)

Nature tends to correct imbalances and that's why a "cleansing/purification" by earth changes is destined to occur.
Not all people are going to experience the same outcome either.  Not everyone is at the same soul age nor at the same point of spiritual development on the path to enlightenment and unity with the Source.  Some will experience war and chaos, others will not.  Reality can split off into parallel and alternate timelines with different outcomes.  Which world do you want to be in? Choose your illusion, my friend!
Doing the inner work, healing, clearing out hate and judgements raises our vibration so we can enter the higher planes consciously.  Remember- love and faith move us closer to Source, fear and doubt move us away from it.

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Many have theorized that they are coming to assist us with our transition to this higher vibration, but for some reason Iíve never been able to buy this.
According to Sitchen and Tsarion and many other researchers these gods/aliens have always sought to enslave us!  So why would they now be trying to help us? Whatís changed?

Extra terrestrials are not lumped into one category anymore than the people of the Earth are.  Some of these aren't even in the 3rd dimension and have already ascended.  Others are lower vibrational races with their own agendas and these would be the "Greys" or Zeta Reticuli, and the "Reptoids" from Alpha Draconis.  With 100 billion "known" galaxies you can rest assured that there are lot of intelligent races in this physical Universe, and in others.  And this doesn't even cover all of the worlds in the higher dimensions!

Please watch:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6387615476786092490&ei=9vP4SfrwE6qwqAPihqT_Dg&q=%22Legend+of+Atlantis+part+3%22





Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on July 09, 2009, 04:59:36 pm
When I click on the video it won't play and says "invalid parameters".


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Horus on July 09, 2009, 05:10:59 pm
When I click on the video it won't play and says "invalid parameters".

That happens to me sometimes too on other videos...

It's Legend of Atlantis part 3 and can be viewed here

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,17825.0.html

and if the portal doesn't play there either, click the link to Google video below it.

Nevermind the ridiculously misleading title or the first two minutes of the video; everything after that illustrates all that I have just mentioned in graphic detail and is very entertaining.  ;)

Part 4 is great too but is better seen after 3.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on July 09, 2009, 09:39:56 pm
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Hi Wind welcome back! 

Nature tends to correct imbalances and that's why a "cleansing/purification" by earth changes is destined to occur.
Not all people are going to experience the same outcome either.  Not everyone is at the same soul age nor at the same point of spiritual development on the path to enlightenment and unity with the Source.  Some will experience war and chaos, others will not.  Reality can split off into parallel and alternate timelines with different outcomes.  Which world do you want to be in? Choose your illusion, my friend!
Doing the inner work, healing, clearing out hate and judgements raises our vibration so we can enter the higher planes consciously.  Remember- love and faith move us closer to Source, fear and doubt move us away from it.


Thanks for the welcome back Horus. I do agree with what you said, and believe it or not I already knew it, I guess I just needed to be riminded of it. ;D  With everything that I read and watch sometimes it gets filed away and I forget it.  It's good to be reminded, thank you :)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on July 09, 2009, 09:43:49 pm
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Extra terrestrials are not lumped into one category anymore than the people of the Earth are.  Some of these aren't even in the 3rd dimension and have already ascended.  Others are lower vibrational races with their own agendas and these would be the "Greys" or Zeta Reticuli, and the "Reptoids" from Alpha Draconis.  With 100 billion "known" galaxies you can rest assured that there are lot of intelligent races in this physical Universe, and in others.  And this doesn't even cover all of the worlds in the higher dimensions!

Horus usually when I speak of the Alien Gods I mean the Anunnaki, I didn't mean to lump the others in with them. The Anunnaki are the ones that I'm assuming the prophecies speak of as returning, they're the ones that Sitchen and Tsarion talk about.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on October 31, 2009, 02:36:50 pm
I'm going to link this thread up with a new one that Ive been working on, I believe that it goes hand in hand with the Ancient War of the Gods, and perhaps the future War.

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,21910.msg184379.html#msg184379

Are the answers staring us in the face?


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on October 31, 2009, 02:54:12 pm
After spending the past two hours skimming over this thread and refreshing my mind as to what has been discussed I think Iím ready to continue

This discussion has consisted of:
Atlantis, Anunnaki, Aliens, Genetic engineering, Godís and Goddesses, ancient Atomic wars,  and of course Elephants LOL.

So where to now? The possibilities are limitless. :)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on October 31, 2009, 03:02:04 pm
First of all, I would like to start things off by  Providing a little more evidence for there being an ancient race of Giants living on Earth, and in this instance in North America.

This is taken from, From The Shadows Blogspot
Heres a link

http://from-the-shadows.blogspot.com/2009/05/ancient-city-buried-under-moberly.html

Wednesday, May 27, 2009

An Ancient City Buried Under Moberly, Missouri?
The newspaper story was sensational Ė in all sense of the word. The tale is incredible and written in the era when journalism meant whatever sold papers, truth be damned.

But the story is about an underground city and giants in the Midwest, so itís worth telling again.

It happened on the pages of the April 9, 1885 edition of The New York Times in a story entitled: ďMissouriís buried city: A strange discovery in a coal mine near Moberly.Ē Moberly, the largest city in Randolph County, had a population of 6,108 in the 1880s.

Coal miners, sinking a shaft 360 feet deep, broke into a cavern revealing ďa wonderful buried city,Ē the article claimed. Lava arches stretched across the roof of the cavern, looming over the streets of an ancient city ďwhich are regularly laid out and enclosed by walls of stone, which is cut and dressed in a fairly good, although rude style of masonry.Ē

Workers, along with Moberly city recorder David Coates and Moberly city marshal George Keating, inspected the site, found a 30-by-100-feet hall in the cavern filled with stone benches and hand tools.

ďFurther search disclosed statues and images made of a composition closely resembling bronze, lacking luster,Ē the article read.

Explorers discovered a stone fountain in a wide court, still pouring ďperfectly pure waterĒ into its basin. But it was what lay beside the fountain that interested the people exploring the site.

ďLying beside the foundation (of the fountain) were portions of the skeleton of a human being,Ē according to the article. ďThe bones of the leg measured, the femur four and one-half feet, the tibia four feet and three inches, showing that when alive the figure was three times the size of an ordinary man, and possessed of a wonderful muscular power and quickness.Ē

Its skull, the story reported, was shattered; bronze tools, granite hammers, metallic saws and flint knives were scattered all around. ďThey are not so highly polished, nor so accurately made as those now finished by our best mechanics, but they show skill and an evidence of an advanced civilization that are very wonderful,Ē according to the article.

Explorers spent 12 hours in the buried city and resurfaced only after the oil in their lamps burned low.

ďNo end to the wonders of the discovery was reached,Ē the article stated. ďA further extended search will be made in a day or two.Ē

No record of the extended search could be found.

Dr. Tom Spencer, a professor in the department of History, Humanities, Philosophy and Political Science at Northwest Missouri State University, said thatís because after printing the story, the newspapers tried to forget it.

ďA lot of the time I think these stories were written based entirely off hearsay and little or no direct on-site reporting,Ē he said. ďAs the story grew, the details got more and more outrageous.Ē

He equates it to a childhood game where children sit in a circle and one child whispers a story into anotherís ear and by the time the story completes the circle, it was completely different.

ďThe point of this exercise was to try to see what would happen when the story had made it all the way around the circle,Ē he said. ďIf you recall, sometimes the Ďfinished storyí bore little resemblance to the original story. My guess is one element of this story is factual Ė like the strange shaft formation or a long femur was found Ė and it became more and more embellished as it went around the journalistic circle at the time.Ē

So what happened to the fabulous buried city under Moberly, Mo.?

ďThere were stories like this periodically at the time and they usually disappear quietly because someone goes to investigate and thereís nothing to it,Ē Spencer said. ďIn order to avoid the embarrassment the newspapers just donít say anything else about it.Ē



Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on October 31, 2009, 03:06:36 pm
Quote
Dr. Tom Spencer, a professor in the department of History, Humanities, Philosophy and Political Science at Northwest Missouri State University, said thatís because after printing the story, the newspapers tried to forget it.

ďA lot of the time I think these stories were written based entirely off hearsay and little or no direct on-site reporting,Ē he said. ďAs the story grew, the details got more and more outrageous.Ē

He equates it to a childhood game where children sit in a circle and one child whispers a story into anotherís ear and by the time the story completes the circle, it was completely different.

ďThe point of this exercise was to try to see what would happen when the story had made it all the way around the circle,Ē he said. ďIf you recall, sometimes the Ďfinished storyí bore little resemblance to the original story. My guess is one element of this story is factual Ė like the strange shaft formation or a long femur was found Ė and it became more and more embellished as it went around the journalistic circle at the time.Ē

So what happened to the fabulous buried city under Moberly, Mo.?

ďThere were stories like this periodically at the time and they usually disappear quietly because someone goes to investigate and thereís nothing to it,Ē Spencer said. ďIn order to avoid the embarrassment the newspapers just donít say anything else about it.Ē

Even though we are lead to doubt the authenticity of this story at the end of the article, the story had to have come from somewhere! 

It sounds to me like another archeological cover up from the Smithsonian and the powers that be.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on October 31, 2009, 03:43:51 pm
Were the Anunnaki Giants?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp0DAwy0-xM


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on November 01, 2009, 08:29:59 pm
In the last video Zechariah Sitchen states that we are the creation of the Anunnaki, and at the End of that video we have Michael Tsarion  who says we are them.

I would tend to agree with these statements,  we came here and merged our DNA with that of  ancient Neanderthal man.  I say we because weíre the same souls, how else  would you explain humanities attraction and obsession with Atlantis.   

According to Tsarion Atlantis was their creation, it was where the genetic engineering took place.  If it had been a bad place youíd think that our sub-conscious mind would reject anything that had to do with Atlantis.

Just a thought :)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on November 01, 2009, 08:32:09 pm
In past posts I have stated what I believe to have been the cause of the Ancient War of the Gods, and with the help of others here evidence has been provided.
Recently I have found what I believe will show the extent of that ancient war, just how far reaching it was.

The following pictures and video footage show what appears to be an ancient Starship crashed on the dark side of the  moon, it is my theory that this ship could in fact be a remnant from the War of the Gods   


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on November 01, 2009, 08:34:58 pm
These pictures were taken from Disclose TV

(http://www.disclose.tv/files/photos/f73b76ce8949fe2L.jpg)

(http://www.disclose.tv/files/photos/39d352b0395ba76L.jpg)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on November 01, 2009, 08:37:51 pm
The Pictures above Apollo 20 moon missio, The following is video footage from that mission.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3te8jNl5-j4


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on November 01, 2009, 08:42:43 pm
A similar looking ship can be found on the hieroglyphs in Abydos Egypt .

Check out the one in the center.


(http://www.timstouse.com/images/EarthHistory/EgyptTemples/Abydos2.jpg)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on November 01, 2009, 10:32:17 pm
Actually this not a ship.  They are hieroglyphs written over one another.  A pharaoh would often have his name written over his predecessor to either claim ownership of the temple/structure or to pay tribute to the god or goddess for which the temple was built for.  I can't remember which pharaohs names are written but I can find out.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on November 02, 2009, 12:59:53 am
I've argued this before Robert0326 - that one picture could be explained, two could be highly unlikely, three - definitely improbable, but 4?  Bullcrap. 

No doubt something WAS erased to make room for the new glyphs, but we're not all blind and gullible. 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on November 02, 2009, 02:30:54 am
Why can't all four be explained?  I watched a documentary on Nat. Geo a few years again and they showed the same hieroglyphs and showed that they were actually names of 2 different pharaohs overlapping each other.  I guess they didn't have whiteout back then huh.  ;)


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on November 02, 2009, 12:06:09 pm
pharaoh Han Solo of the Han Dynasty and Jedi Priest Luke Shywalker ;D LOL Just Kidding ;)

I donít know Robert, that explanation sounds plausible but for some reason Iím just not buying it. I will however look into this a little more and see what I can find.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on November 02, 2009, 12:23:31 pm
They ARE explained - by Egyptology - just the way you said.  Supposedly something was erased to enable them to write someone else's name over top.  And if that would have been the case, I can see where there might be a co-incidental similarity to ONE of our modern verhicles - where one kind of turns their head and says oh yeah, I see what you mean - like seeing forms in clouds.  But these glyphs are not  just a vague similarity and there are FOUR of them.  Simplistic in the rendering but detailed just the same. 


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Robert0326 on November 02, 2009, 06:21:52 pm
Wind, if they were anything else but hieroglyphs of names of pharaohs wouldn't there be other instances of these "ships" on other temples?  I'm sorry but in this case the simplest explanation is the correct one.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Qoais on November 02, 2009, 09:38:09 pm
The simplest explanation is the same as the other one.  In both cases, the original glyphs were erased to put something else. 

This tomb is the tomb of a priest who more than likely took mind altering drugs to assist him in his career as a seer.  I have said that it is possible that he had a vision of the future, much like Nostradamus did, and although he didn't know what he was seeing and probably could not describe what he saw, he COULD draw it, and had the masons put it in his tomb in case it was something he could use in the afterlife.  He no doubt definitely thought he would have an afterlife, if he saw himself in the future.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: Wind on November 02, 2009, 10:21:10 pm
You know what guys, Iíve dug deep on this one and thereís absolutely no proof one way or the other, so until someone comes up with something substantial,  Iím gonna continue to believe what I believe, and what I believe is that whatever that hieroglyph is, itís looks an awful lot like whatís sitting on the moon. Which is why I posted the picture in the first place.


Title: Re: The Ancient War of the Gods
Post by: BlueHue2 on March 05, 2012, 09:11:17 am
May I be the solver of your Gods War Quest ?

My BlueHue2 theory is stated in the Subscript
so you may be prepaired for this new-hypothesis !

"Proverb
it is an ill Wind that blows nowhere. . . .
PICTURE of the GIGANTOMACHIA(= War of the Gods")


In Iconology the saying is that
ONE Picture can say more than a whole TEXTBOOK.

The ( ancient-)WAR of the Gods is actually" Photograved "
in a Giganto-machia-STILT
complete with Paradise tree, ADAM(=Athamas !) and EVE(= Nephele !.)

Since we know that GODs are Assyrians
(= God-kings like Salmanassar-3)
and the " Titans " were the Egyptians of the 18-th Dynasty,
we can fathom were the War was about:

About Middle Earth where middlemen were thriving prices higher

So imagin Egypt and Assur
and inbetween them Foelix Araby.
where Life and death roamed as avenger trees.

the other day I found a picture of a medalion
in a book about ancient greek art in 3 parts
I didn't want to wast money & time on it.

So I didn't buy it nor observed the frontispice/title.
I simply forgot to note the source. Stupid (in-)action !

Anyway we can analyse this WAR of the GODS.

ICONOLOGY of the WAR of the GODS,
In the medallion are two wellknown figures
Poseidon, sitting in front of a Fire holding a Trident
The fire was later iconographically misinterpretated as Seawaves !)

opposite stands Goddess Athena in full regalia:Breast-Panzer + spear
(Note Usually in romantic immage Mars wears the Panzer and Venus/Athena nothing..)

Both look to an object in the MIDDLE
consisting of a Tree with Coiled-up Snake(=Watersnake NOT Cobra.)
This looks awfully identical to Aesculaep'sStaff with 2 Snakes and 2 Wings above !

Now we perceive that the Aesculaep's winged Staff was originally the spreaded leaves of a treetop !
in egyptian iconology
a snake in a tree stands for Paradise
or the Goddess of Rain named RENUTET who lives in a country called RETINUE

RETINUE
means West-Israel,
but the actual word is derived from LATONA or LATINUS
who is the eponymal KING of LATIUM

Since "T" was often written as "D" and "R" sometimes interchanged with "L"
We arrive at the oldest root-word: LADON.

It is thus amazing that maybe caused by backwardness
that the Original EDEN or HATTI-City of AL-ADAN, is still retained in the Toponym " ADEN "

ADEN or AD-Land is in Koran-Sura 89 the Land of the White Elephant
ARABY(=Latin.) also means Land of the white-Elephant
HUD/ Ghadjan/Tantor/ Moria/ ATAmbo/Hathi/Hasti/ Phil, etc.
are derived names from White-DIAL-Elephants(=Lokapalas.)
There exist 4 Elements/4 Wind-El;ephants.

ADEN/ Atlantis was supposedly the Greenwich of Arabia
where priests observed the Stars or Heavens-astronomy-signs
hence Atlas carrying the"World-Above "(thus Not Earthglobe !)

A snake in a tree represented a ( Sacred-)GARDEN walled or not a good place to be
it was Mid-Earth or Middle-Land/ land-of-the-Middle thus (INDIA_) Media of the Medianites

CONCLUSION
The WAR- of - the - GODS
is otherwise known as the GIGANTO-Machia Date 855 bc.
The War was Between
Egypt(= Poseidon/Osiris/Amenhotep-4)
ASSUR(=Athena/Atargatis/assyrian Watergoddesses.)
ARABY or Atlantis ! the Land inbetween Two-Continents(=Egypt & ASSUR.)

We even know the end of the conflict.
ASSUR won,
Egypt had to retract from Araby
the Crown/Symbol of Atlantis, was the Hem-Hem Crown.

The Various Assyrian governors of Araby
are seen wearing this distictively NOT assyrian crown !in Persepolis-stellae !
In El Amarna
2 Crownprinces Semenkare & Thut Ank Aton are seen wearing that Crown
as an afterthought because King-Thut was re-placed on the Elephant-Throne of Araby
by God-king Salmanassar-3, who as the new God SHIVA had cut-off Ganesha's head!

WSionce 855 bc
the Egyptians were not in charge of the induian-ocean anymore,
the Assyrians had taken over the Atlantis Seatrade realm

This prompted the Romans and Greeks that lives as AROMATII and GORGONS
in "Eden" or Adland and now migrated to Europe to avoid Assyrian realm taxes.

Rome Cartage and Athens are supposedly of various age foundations
but that is not so in Europe.

Cartage as oldest Migrant City was founded in 920 or 860 by DiDo and named Ras Fartag in South Araby
who is the egyptian Queen of Amenhoteb-3 known as TEJE or Tedje thus in greek rendering DIDO!

The Romans came from the Aromatii who built Latium(= Al-Adan.)in 753 bc
The Athens came from Queen Europe who founded THAT city in South Araby in 1055 bc. as ATHE.
Later She founded two cities with the same name in Europe as New-Atlantis: ATHEnii & ADAna

However
Cartage Athens and Rome were re-built in Europe by immigrants
no earlier that 705 bc
Archaeologists were unable to find earlier CITY settlement remains.

The reason was that in 705 bc
a great Tsunami destroyed the coasts of Arabia Foelix/Hadramaut
and instead of re re-building ATLANTIS or Hatti-lands
their inhabitants went to the mediaterranean Sea shores.

Surely
the Neolithic sttl;ements in Europe from 6.000 or 3500 bc
were NOT Greek or Romans !

It is understanable that the Greeks want Atlantis to have sunk near Greece !
But PLATO said that Atlantis SUNK ikn a manner of Speech
because it was the Trade realm not the Isle that wained under the seas( by Assyrian forces.)

DISCLAIMER,
Many Atlantologists
are mad at me for discovering the neart Thruth because,
they rather believe and protract into the false traditions about Atlantis
created by romantic mythographers who widethe political wars behind mythology.
Thus the WAR of the GODS was between Egypt and Assur over Araby in 855 bc.

AS  FOR  NOW,
Atlantologists are mad and me and try to denie or look the other way for their " Atlantis "

Sincerely, BlueHue2 dd 5 March 2012 Amsterdam-Holland.

PS
Does this " Proof-narrative " answer your quest for the " real" War of the Gods " ???