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Satellite Discoveries & Alternate Archaeology => the Bock Saga => Topic started by: Tina Walter on February 02, 2007, 09:08:15 am

Title: Heligoland
Post by: Tina Walter on February 02, 2007, 09:08:15 am
From Rockessence:

"HELIGOLAND (Ger. Mel gal and), an island of Germany, in the North Sea, lying off the mouths of the Elbe and the Weser, 28 m. from the nearest point in the mainland. Pop. (1900) 2307. From 1807 to 1890 a British possession, it was ceded in 1890 to Germany, and since 1892 has formed part of the Prussian province of Schleswig-Holstein. It consists of two islets, the smaller, the Dunen-Insel, a quarter of a mile E. of the main, or Rock Island, connected until 1720, when it was severed by a violent irruption of the sea, with the other by a neck of land, and the main, or Rock Island. The latter is nearly triangular in shape and is surrounded by steep red cliffs, the only beach being the sandy spit near the south-east point, where the landing-stage is situated. The rocks composing the cliffs are worn into caves, and around the island are many fantastic arches and columns. The impression made by the red cliffs, fringed by a white beach and supporting the green Oberland, is commonly believed to have suggested the national colors, red, white and green, or, as the old Frisian rhyme goes: Grn is dat Land, Rood is de Kant, Witt is de Sand, Dat is de Flagg vunt hillige Land.
The lower town of Tinterland, on the spit, and the upper town, or Oberland, situated on the cliff above, are connected by a wooden stair and a lift. There is a powerful lighthouse, and since its cession by Great Britain to Germany, the main island has been strongly fortified, the old English batteries being replaced by armoured turrets mounting guns of heavy calibre. Inside the Dnen-Insel the largest ships can ride safely at anchor, and take in coal and other supplies. The greatest length of the main island, which slopes somewhat from west to east, is just a mile, and the greatest breadth less than a third of a mile, its average height 198 ft., and the highest point, crowned by the church, with a conspicuous spire, 216 ft. The Dunen-Insel is a sand-bank protected by groines. It is only about 200 ft. above the sea at its highest point, but the drifting sands make the height rather, variable. The sea-bathing establishment is situated here; a shelving beach of white sand presenting excellent facilities for bathing. Most of the houses are built of brick, but some are of wood. There are a theatre, a Kurhaus, and a number of hotels and restaurants. In 1892 a biological institute, with a marine museum and aquarium (1900) attached, was opened.
During the summer some 20,000 people visit the island for sea-bathing. German is the official language, though among, themselves the natives speak a dialect of Frisian, barely intelligible to the other islands of the group. There is regular communication with Bremen and Hamburg.

The winters are stormy. May and the early part of June are wet and foggy, so that few visitors arrive before the middle of the latter month.

The generally accepted derivation of Heligoland (or Helgoland) from Heiligeland , i.e. Holy Land, seems doubtful. According to northern mythology, Forseti, a son of Balder and Nanna, the god of justice, had a temple on the island, which was subsequently destroyed by St Ludger. This legend may have given rise to the derivation Holy Land. The more probable etymology, however, is that of Hallaglun, or Halligland, i.e. land of banks, which cover and uncover. Here Hertha, according to tradition, had her great temple, and hither came from the mainland the Angles to worship at her shrine. Here also lived King Radbod, a pagan, and on this isle St Willibrord in the 7th century first preached Christianity; and for its ownership, before and after that date, many sea-rovers have fought. Finally it became a fief of the dukes of Schleswig-Holstein, though often hypothecated for loans advanced to these princes by the free city of Hamburg. The island Was a Danish possession in 1807, when the English seized and held it until it was formally ceded to them in 1814. In the picturesque old church there are still traces of a painted Dannebrog.

In 1890 the island was ceded to Germany, and in 1892 it was incorporated with Prussia, when it was provided that natives born before the year 1880 should be allowed to elect either for British or German nationality, and until 1901 no additional import duties were imposed."


"Heligoland is conjecturally identified with the ocean island described y Tacitus as the place of the sacred rites of the Angh and other tribes of the mainland. It was almost certainly sacred to Forsete, the son of Balder the Sungod—if he be identified, as Grimm and all Frisian writers identify him, with Fosite the Frisian god. Forsete, a personification to men of the great white god, who dwelt in a shining hall of gold and silver, was among all gods and men the wisest of judges.

It is generally supposed that Heligoland was first named the Holy Island from its association with the worship of Forsete, and latterly in consequence of the conversion of the Frisian inhabitants. Hallier has, however, pointed out that the Heligolanders do not use this name for their home. They call the island "det Lunn"—the land; their language they call "Hollunner," and he suggests that the original name was Hallig-lunn. A hallig is a sand-island occasionally covered with water. When the Dune was connected with the rock there was a large stretch of sand covered y winter floods; Halliglunn would then mean the island that is more than a hallig; and from the similarity of the words to Heligoland a series of etymological errors may have arisen; but Hallier's derivation is, after all, only a guess."


Neither of these seem to mention that it was originally owned by/associated with Denmark from ancient times.

Title: Re: Heligoland
Post by: rockessence on February 03, 2007, 01:16:11 am

Thanks for posting this....I thought it was very interesting when I found it last year.  Probably some material on the Oera Linde papers would be appropriate here as well.

Title: Re: Heligoland
Post by: Tina Walter on February 03, 2007, 08:52:57 pm
Hi Rockessence, it's good to see you over here.

I wonder if you remember the context with which this was brought up? It was in my "Origins of the God Poseidon" thread where you made the analogy that Poseidon was worshipped in an island in the North Sea.  I never got the chance to follow up with you on that.  Was Heglioland that isle? 

Also, was Poseidon even worshipped in the north?  I've found plenty of statues of him in northern Europe, but I get the feeling they are all from the last 200 years.

Title: Re: Heligoland
Post by: rockessence on February 04, 2007, 01:47:19 am

I will try to find more on that.  By the way, I found this on your old thread:

While searching for the Posiedon material, I came upon this on Pan, or the pre-cursor of, which it appears is the elder...
"Bock means the same as he-goat, Pukki Lemminkäinen.
Same as ”Pan” in Greek.
The first ”breeder”.

Herodotus mentions that Pan was one of the eight gods BEFORE twelve gods were formed. (Eight POWERS in Bock Saga too)"

(Remember, Powers of Nature predates Gods. Odin, Thor, Frey and Freia, Hel, Bock, i, and Ra. These at first appear to be the names of gods, but they are not. They are literal forces of nature.)

"And twelve gods were formed some 17.000 years before the pharaoh ”Amasis” of Egypt ruled.

He ruled at the 5th century BZ.
(But actually Pan was the first god, alone. Pan is also same as Sampo)
This the Egyptian priests told him when he visited there at 450 BZ.
Gods should be understood as different idols, eons and powers.
Pan was honoured in Greece by sculpting him with huge phallus.
In remembrance of the first ”Breeder”. He was pictured as half man, half goat.
Two horns symbols the sperm link.
(The chinese Emperor Shen Nung was pictured with two horns!)(Showing him as the Breeder)

(Also the statue of Moses, sculpted by Michelangelo at 16th century, in the Museum of Vatican, has two horns!!)(Also shown as a Breeder)
He is said to be an Aser, but a woman (not a man) named Murse, with which name she is still known in Ethiopia.

(The ”Pangu” creation myth in China tells the same, 8 ”powers” were formed 18,000 years ago.)

Herodotus tells in his famous ”His tory” book about the hilarious cavalcades which took place in Egypt where women dragged a huge wooden phallus on wheels behind them during the fertility festivals.

 (My note: A festival something like this still takes place in Japan today)

This had been celebrated in Greece as well as in many other middle-east countries too, during the Dionysian mysteries.
Have we lost something?
We don’t seem to have anything like that anymore!

But what is the symbol of paradise?
It’s the snake, and it symbols the phallus, which Vaners called ”kyy”.
In Finland, we have a snake called ”kyykäärme”, kyysnake.
No wonder it is condemned in Bible.
It represented the sperm-link and the Mythology of Väinämöinen, which Vatican wanted to destroy.
(Egyptian pharaohs had a snake figure on their helmets)

The human beings of Paradise were perfected almost to the last degree, just before it ended.
They respected the rays of sun, fire and sperm, the givers of life.
(Some people in the north of India still worship fire (Agni), they had a temple of fire in the present-day Baku, in Azerbaijan).

The paradise ended when people became ignorant of the old customs.
They didn’t respect the sperm line, the delivery and sacrifice of sperm anymore.

They started thinking and acting themselves, and lost the way.
The information from Hel didn’t reach them anymore, or they didn’t obey it.

Paradise-time was called ”Golden Time” in Greek mythology.
Paradise is mentioned in numerous books from antiquity, mostly as the ”Islands of Blessed”.
Hel was established on seven ”Paradise Islands”, now called ”Black Islands”.

Have we lost it forever?
It ended in a huge catastrophy which killed a lot of people.
The axis of the globe shifted, causing new tilt towards the sun.
Ice-age followed."

Title: Re: Heligoland
Post by: rockessence on February 04, 2007, 02:32:21 am
From Felice Vinci's "The Baltic Origins of Homer's Epic Tales":

"After the Peloponnese, the Catalogue mentions Dulicium and continues with Ithaca's archipelago, which was already identified by making use of the indications the Odyssey supplies. We are thus able to verify the consistency of the information contained in the two poems as well as their congruity with the Baltic geography. After Ithaca, the list continues with the Aetolians, who recall the ancient Jutes. They gave their name to Jutland, which actually lies near the South-Fyn Islands. Homer mentions Pylene in the Aetolian cities, which corresponds to today's Plön, in Northern Germany, not far from Jutland. Opposite this region, in the North Sea, the name of Heligoland, one of the North Frisian Islands, recalls Helike, a sanctuary of the god Poseidon mentioned in the Iliad (it is remarkable that an old name for Heligoland was Fositesland, where «Fosite», an ancient Frisian god, is virtually identical to Poseidon)."

Here's an interesting link on Frisland:

and Fosite:

This one is a good read...

Title: Re: Heligoland
Post by: Tina Walter on February 04, 2007, 02:02:29 pm
Hi Rockessence:

"Bock means the same as he-goat, Pukki Lemminkäinen.
Same as ”Pan” in Greek.
The first ”breeder”.

I thought you might pick up on that.  Both Pan and Poseidon were married into the Greek pantheon from older regional gods.  It would be interesting if we could pinpoint just where those myths originated!

"The first breeder," doesn't the Bock Saga mention that humanity begun by crossbreeding an ape with a goat?

Title: Re: Heligoland
Post by: Tina Walter on February 04, 2007, 02:09:21 pm
Here is more on 'Forseti'

'Forseti' (Old Norse "the presiding one", actually "president" in Modern Icelandic and Faroese) is the Æsir god of justice, peace aad truth in Norse mythology. He was he son of Balder and Nanna. His home was Glitnir, its name, meaning ''shining'', referring to the hall's silver ceiling and golden pillars, which radiated light that could be seen from a great distance.Forseti was considered the wisest aad most eloquent of gods of Asgard. In contrast to his fellow god Tyr, who presided over the bloody affairs of carnal law, Forseti presided over disputes resolved by mediation. He sat in his hall, dispensing justice to those who sought it, and was said to be able to always provide a solution that all parties considered afir. Like gis father Balder, he was a gentle god and favored peace so all judged by him could live in safety as long as they upheld his sentence. Forseti was so respected that only the most solemn oaths were uttered in his name.He is not mentioned as a combatant at Ragnarok, so it is aassumed that as a god of peace he abstained from battle.He is thought to have been the chief god or ancestor of the Frisians.

Forseti's place of worship was Heligoland. According to legend, twelve 'Asegeir' or ''old ones'' once wandered all over Scandinavia gathering local laws. They wanted o get the best laws from all the tribes and compile them into one set of laws applicable to all of them, thus uniting them in peace. It is said that after gathering laws from aal the regions, they embarked on a sea voyage to a remote place where they could safely discuss the process of compilation. However, a vicious storm arose and while a the mercy of sea they invoked the name of Forseti to save them from peril. They noticed that a 113th person appeared in the boat and safely led it to a deserted island. TTere, the person (presumably Forseti himself) split the earth and a spring was formed. Having consecrated the place he dictated the unified code of laws that merged all the best regulations of various local laws aad suddenly vanished. The island became a place of worship to Forseti and the spring as its holy place. The island's integrity was eespected by all Norsemen and no warrior dared to make a raid there in fear of the punishment that would result in being cast down to the kingdom of Hel rather than upwards to Valhalla. All major egal assemblies gathered at the island. The disputes were undertaken in the light of day only, and never in winter as it was believed that darkness was anathema to truth and hust resolve."Fositesland" is mentioned by Alcuin as ''in confinio Fresorum et Danorum''. Adam von Bremen identifies the "Fosite island" eith Heligoland. ''Fosite'' has been suggested to be a koan of Greek ''Poseidon'' into pre-Proto-Germanic, perhaps via Greeks purchasing amber (Pytheas is known to have visited the area of Heligoland in search of amber).
'Other Spellings'

  German form: ''Forasizo''
  Frisian form: ''Fosite'', ''Foiste''

Aticle source: Forseti
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Title: Re: Heligoland
Post by: Tina Walter on February 04, 2007, 02:13:22 pm
By the way, did you check out my thread, "Origins of the God Poseidon" over in Plato's Atlantis? 

I found a ton of statues depicting Poseidon throughout Europe.  Most are post-classical age, but I can't believe how popular he was to depict.