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Title: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Volitzer on November 23, 2008, 02:45:39 pm
THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT HAS SCHEDULED - FOR FULL CONFERENCE - LEO DONOFRIO'S NJ CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING THE ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION CANDIDATES, INCLUDING BARACK OBAMA.

http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a407.htm


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81585
Obama citizenship suit dangerously close to being a Supreme Court case! Clarence Thomas approves for "Conference"!
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[UPDATE]:Leo C. Donofrio will be doing two radio interviews tonight. Those will be the last contact he has with the press until after the case is finally resolved by the US Supreme Court. Thanks to all for the support.

********************************************************

Today, the United States Supreme Court scheduled the case - Leo C. Donofrio v. Nina Mitchell Wells, Secretary of State of the State of New Jersey - US Supreme Court Docket No. 08A407 - for a conference of the nine Justices.


If four of the nine Justices vote to hear the case in full review, oral argument may be ordered. The conference is scheduled for December 5, 2008, ten days before the meeting of the Electoral College.


The case originally sought, pre-election, to have the names of Barack Obama, John McCain, and Roger Calero removed from New Jersey ballots, and for a stay of the "national election" pending Supreme Court review of whether those candidates were eligible under the Constitution as natural born Citizens, as is required by Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States.

Leo Donofrio brought his case from a lower New Jersey court to the NJ Supreme Court - was denied - and then he filed an emergency stay application in the United States Supreme Court on Nov. 3, 2008, before the Honorable Associate Justice David Souter. Justice Souter denied the emergency stay application on Nov. 6.


Leo Donofrio renewed the application, as per Supreme Court Rule 22.4, to the Honorable Associate Justice Clarence Thomas by way of Express mail on Nov. 14. The application arrived at the Supreme Court on Nov. 17 and was submitted directly to Justice Thomas.

On Nov. 19, the case was docketed for full conference of all nine Justices and scheduled for December 5, 2008. It is not known at this time the exact details of how the case came to be "DISTRIBUTED for Conference".


Background on "The Justices Conference" is discussed as follows by the Supreme Court Historical Society:

"No outsider enters the room during conference. The junior Associate Justice acts as "doorkeeper," sending for reference material, for instance, and receiving it at the door...

Five minutes before conference time, 9:30 or 10 a.m., the Justices are summoned. They exchange ritual handshakes and settle down at the long table. The Chief sits at the east end; the other Justices sit at places they have chosen in order of their seniority...


The Chief Justice opens the discussion, summarizing each case. The senior Associate Justice speaks next, and comment passes down the line. To be accepted for review, a case needs only four votes, fewer than the majority required for a decision on the case itself. Counsel for the litigants are directed to submit their printed briefs so that each Justice has a set several weeks before argument.



Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Volitzer on November 23, 2008, 02:52:49 pm
PETITION FOR PUBLIC RELEASE OF
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE
To: Electoral College, Congress of the United States, Federal Elections Commission, U.S. Supreme Court, President of the United States, other controlling legal authorities
Whereas, by requirement of the United States Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, no one can be sworn into office as president of the United States without being a natural born citizen;

Whereas, there is sufficient controversy within the citizenry of the United States as to whether presidential election winner Barack Obama was actually born in Hawaii as he claims;

Whereas, Barack Obama has refused repeated calls to release publicly his entire Hawaiian birth certificate, which would include the actual hospital that performed the delivery;

Whereas, lawsuits filed in several states seeking only proof of the basic minimal standard of eligibility have been rebuffed;

Whereas, Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth allowed births that took place in foreign countries to be registered in Hawaii;

Whereas, concerns that our government is not taking this constitutional question seriously will result in diminished confidence in our system of free and fair elections;

SIGN THE PETITION

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Bianca on November 23, 2008, 04:31:30 pm




Vol,


"Honorable Associate Justice Clarence Thomas"


AFRICAN AMERICAN..........


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Booker Gant on November 23, 2008, 05:19:10 pm
Yeah, we all know that we African-Americans stick together.  Clarence Thomas hasn't supported a single Civil Rights issue in his history.  What is with you people?

And, unless this pops up someplace besides right wing websites (which is all that I have been able to find it on), I wouldn't believe any of it.


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Elmer Jessup on November 24, 2008, 01:54:09 am
This is an excellent opportunity for us to maintain control of the White House, Volitzer!  Please email this information to whitehouse.gov and make George Bush aware of it.  With any luck, George and Dick will declare martial law and then take control of the presidency forever! 


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Volitzer on November 25, 2008, 12:27:22 pm
http://www.obamacrimes.com/

U. S. SUPREME COURT AWAITS RESPONSE TO
BERG'S WRIT OF CERTIORARI
FROM OBAMA, DNC and Co-DEFENDANTS
(Contact information and PDF at end)

(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 11/07/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States filed a Writ of Certiorari in the United States Supreme Court on October 30, 2008, requesting review of the United States District Court, Eastern District of Pennsylvania, Judge Surrick’s Dismissal of Philip J. Berg’s lawsuit against Barack H. Obama, Jr., the DNC and the other co-Defendants. Accordingly, the U. S. Supreme Court has set dates in which Barack Obama, the DNC and all co-Defendants are to respond to the Writ, which is on or before December 1, 2008.

Mr. Berg remarked today, “I look forward to receiving Defendant Obama's response to the Writ and am hopeful the U. S. Supreme Court will review Berg v. Obama. I believe Mr. Obama is not a constitutionally-qualified natural-born citizen and is ineligible to assume the office of President of the United States.”

Mr. Berg’s case, Berg vs. Obama was dismissed from the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, Docket # 08-cv-4083 for lack of standing. Mr. Berg filed a Writ of Certiorari for review of the case and an injunction to stay the election pending review. Justice Souter denied the injunction. It is expected that the Court will decide whether or not to review Berg v. Obama after the Defendants file their response, and Mr. Berg has replied to the Defendant’s response.

The Defendants' response is due by December 1st and Mr. Berg's reply will be submitted thereafter.

# # #

Philip J. Berg, Esquire
555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12
Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-2531
Cell (610) 662-3005
(610) 825-3134
(800) 993-PHIL [7445]
Fax (610) 834-7659
philjberg@obamacrimes.com

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Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Jeannette Latoria on November 25, 2008, 01:23:59 pm
Hi Volitzer,

I hate to tell you and the rest of the Obama-haters out there, but I think you have all been had.

Rather than check all the many right wing articles out there parroting the Berg talking points, I checked the U.S. Supreme Court's docket of upcoming cases on their website.  While it is true that Berg did appeal to the Supreme Court, twice, it seems that both times he was turned down.

Incidentally, David Souter, not Clarence Thomas was the presiding judge:

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No. 08A391 
Title: Philip J. Berg, Applicant
v.
Barack Obama, et al.
 
Docketed: 
Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
  Case Nos.: (08-4340)

~~~Date~~~  ~~~~~~~Proceedings  and  Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oct 31 2008 Application (08A391) for an injunction pending disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
Nov 3 2008 Supplemental brief of applicant Philip J. Berg filed.
Nov 3 2008 Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter. 

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~~Name~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    ~~~~~~~Address~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   ~~Phone~~~
Attorneys for Petitioner:   
Philip J. Berg 555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12 (610) 825-3134
 Lafayette Hill, PA  09867 
Party name: Philip J. Berg
Attorneys for Respondents:   
Gregory G. Garre Solicitor General (202) 514-2217
 United States Department of Justice 
 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. 
 Washington, DC  20530-0001 
Party name: Federal Election Commission, et al.

http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a391.htm

The other one:

Quote
No. 08-570 
Title: Philip J. Berg, Petitioner
v.
Barack Obama, et al.
 
Docketed: October 31, 2008
Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
  Case Nos.: (08-4340)
 Rule 11

~~~Date~~~  ~~~~~~~Proceedings  and  Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oct 30 2008 Petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment filed. (Response due December 1, 2008) 
Oct 31 2008 Application (08A391) for an injunction pending disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
Nov 3 2008 Supplemental brief of applicant Philip J. Berg filed.
Nov 3 2008 Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter. 
Nov 18 2008 Waiver of right of respondents Federal Election Commission, et al. to respond filed. 


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~~Name~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    ~~~~~~~Address~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   ~~Phone~~~
Attorneys for Petitioner:   
Philip J. Berg 555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12 (610) 825-3134
 Lafayette Hill, PA  09867 
Party name: Philip J. Berg
Attorneys for Respondents:   
Gregory G. Garre Solicitor General (202) 514-2217
 United States Department of Justice 
 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. 
 Washington, DC  20530-0001 
Party name: Federal Election Commission, et al. http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm

http://search.access.gpo.gov/supreme-court/SearchRight.asp?ct=Supreme-Court-Dockets&q1=Berg

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/docket.html


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Volitzer on November 25, 2008, 01:57:51 pm
Obama Born in Kenya‏
From:  Adam Drozdz (adamdroz@hotmail.com) 
Sent: Tue 11/25/08 2:53 PM
To:  adamdroz@hotmail.com

This is an amazing interview from WRIF FM in Detroit, Michigan's Mike in the Morning

On the WRIF website: http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916
Direct Link: http://www.gdrg.net/dm/kenya.mp3

Just after 12:30 Kenyan Ambassador "His Excellency Peter N.R.O Ogego" plainly admits that President Elect Obama was born in Kenya.

There is no dodging this now.

Here is his official website which is laughable.
http://www.kenyaembassy.com/ambassador.html

And here is a bit of his professional history.
http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=420391863


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Tom Hebert on November 25, 2008, 02:53:58 pm
Judge dismisses Obama birth certificate lawsuit

Posted: October 25, 2008, 3:14 pm Eastern
By Drew Zahn


A lawsuit filed by Democratic attorney Philip Berg alleging that Sen. Barack Obama is ineligible to be president was dismissed by a federal judge yesterday on grounds that Berg lacks standing to bring the lawsuit.

In a 34-page memorandum that accompanied the court order, the Hon. R. Barclay Surrick concludes that ordinary citizens can't sue to ensure that a presidential candidate actually meets the constitutional requirements of the office.

Surrick defers to Congress, saying that the legislature could determine "that citizens, voters, or party members should police the Constitution's eligibility requirements for the Presidency," but that it would take new laws to grant individual citizens that ability.

"Until that time," Surrick says, "voters do not have standing to bring the sort of challenge that Plaintiff attempts to bring."

Berg has maintained that uncertainty about how the U.S. does enforce the requirements of presidency may result in a constitutional crisis should an ineligible candidate win the office.

"This is a question of who has standing to stand up for our Constitution," Berg told Jeff Schreiber of America's Right blog. "If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to ask whether or not the likely next president of the United States – the most powerful man in the entire world – is eligible to be in that office in the first place, then who does?"

As WND reported Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court in August, alleging Obama is not a natural-born citizen and is thus ineligible to serve as president of the United States. Berg demanded that Obama provide documentation to the court to verify that the candidate was born in Hawaii, as Obama contends, and not in Kenya, as Berg believes.

Surrick did not rule on the birth certificate controversy, though he did express skepticism over the notion that a foreign-born Obama would have escaped the primaries without being discovered.

"Plaintiff would have us derail the democratic process by invalidating a candidate for whom millions of people voted," Surrick states, "and who underwent excessive vetting during what was one of the most hotly contested presidential primary [sic] in living memory."

Instead, Surrick cites Aritcle III of the U.S. Constitution, limiting federal judicial power to handling cases and controversies in which plaintiffs have clear standing through specific, personal injury.

Berg, the judge ruled, simply didn't have a case for a particular injury and thus, had no standing to sue.

Surrick's ruling cites a case deemed similar, Hollander v. McCain, in which it was alleged during the primary season that since he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, John McCain is not a natural-born citizen either. The judge in the Hollander case also ruled a voter cannot sue to prevent an allegedly unconstitutional candidate.

Based in part on Hollander, Surrick concludes, "The alleged harm to voters stemming from a presidential candidate's failure to satisfy the eligibility requirements of the Natural Born Citizen Clause is not concrete or particularized enough to constitute an injury."

Surrick also quotes Lujan v. Defenders of Wildlife, which held, "The Supreme Court has consistently held that a plaintiff raising only a generally available grievance about government – claiming only harm to his and every citizen's interest in proper application of the Constitution and laws, and seeking relief that no more directly and tangibly benefits him than it does the public at large – does not state an Article III case or controversy."

Berg told America's Right that even if he technically can't hold Obama accountable to the Constitution, someone should. He plans to appeal his case to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals and then to the United States Supreme Court.


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79086


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Justin Garrow on November 25, 2008, 03:05:53 pm
Looks like the case was turned down by the Supreme Court. If this was really being considered by the Supremes, it would be front page news, with all the entire country on the edge of it's seat (which it isn't). 


Title: "Birth Certificate" part 2
Post by: DDDnD3D on November 25, 2008, 03:21:46 pm
*THE MORAL OF THIS STORY: THE INDIAN AND THE SLAVE "NO WRITE CONSTITUTION" !  GREEDY GUILTY WHITE COWBOY SEEK PROTECTION FROM THIS PIECE OF PAPER FOR CRIMES AND LIES ?  AND AT SAME TIME IGNORE AND DISHONOR THAT OTHER PIECE OF PAPER; THE TREATY SIGNED WITH DIRTY DRUNKEN SAVAGE ?   Ugh!  [for ugly american]


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Lawrence Fragg on November 25, 2008, 04:48:52 pm
We don't need the Supreme Court for this. All we need do is email this information to George W. Bush and he will declare the election null and void and declare himself President for the upcoming term. We'll have that third Bush term yet, people.


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Bianca on November 25, 2008, 05:59:48 pm


Lawrence Fragg,


You are just as naive as everybody else, haven't you noticed how your GWB goes along with EVERYTHING
'the messiah' does?

Remember the triumphal European Tour?  GWB never objected to the'substitute president', his words
or actions, did he?

And now, he is just as cozy and cooperative with him as if they belonged to the same party.


'the messiah' IS GWB'S   T H I R D   T E R M ! ! !


                                                  THE CHOSEN ONE

by the 'powers-that-be'.


Title: "INDIAN LAND"
Post by: DDDnD3D on November 25, 2008, 06:55:02 pm
 * * * but you immigrants must also remember?   * * * THIS "IS" INDIAN LAND * * *


Title: "CLEAR MESSAGE"
Post by: DDDnD3D on November 25, 2008, 08:00:46 pm
 * * * THE MESSAGE CANNOT BE MORE CLEAR * * *


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE
Post by: Mitch McBushen on November 25, 2008, 08:43:14 pm


Lawrence Fragg,


You are just as naive as everybody else, haven't you noticed how your GWB goes along with EVERYTHING
'the messiah' does?

Remember the triumphal European Tour?  GWB never objected to the'substitute president', his words
or actions, did he?

And now, he is just as cozy and cooperative with him as if they belonged to the same party.


'the messiah' IS GWB'S   T H I R D   T E R M ! ! !


                                                  THE CHOSEN ONE

by the 'powers-that-be'.

No way, Bianca!  George W. Bush will be GWB's THIRD TERM!!!  We can trust no one else to lead the way like he does.  He's rugged, manly and he's from Texas!  The swagger alone is reason enough to keep him in there.

And thanks to Volitzer's information, we Republicans are back in power again!  America, get ready for the return of the white, purebred Republican male in the driver's seat again!  :)


Title: Annilhilation
Post by: DDDnD3D on November 25, 2008, 08:52:08 pm
The First To be Annihilated will be the English and the Jews ? ? ?


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Vernon Guilley on November 25, 2008, 09:55:10 pm
Praise be to Jesus, our prayers have been answered.  Like a prophet of old, this Volitzer fella brings us good news.  And that God-fearin', ever righteous weapon of the almighty, George W. Bush will be President again, for tomorrow and for all time.


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Vernon Guilley on November 25, 2008, 10:14:02 pm
And Jesus said, "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword."

And the sword that he brought forth was one George W. Bush, an enemy to the sodomites, the feminists that would destroy the traditional family and the Islamo-fascists who would destroy the good ole U.S.A .  And the people did turn their back on him and all that he represented, electing Barak Hussein Obama in his stead. And that is when the white, god-fearing Christian male knew that his days were numbered on this earth. 

Not all from the Bible, but maybe it should be.


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Bianca on November 25, 2008, 11:35:13 pm





GOD(DESS) DELIVER US FROM   


                                                           C U L T I S T S   


DEMS AND/OR REPS ! ! ! !


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Kerissa Faad on November 26, 2008, 12:48:22 am
Last update - 11:53 13/10/2008     
 
 
Conspiracy theory faults Jews for Lehman Brothers' collapse 
 
By Anshel Pfeffer 

(http://www.themarker.com/media08/Haaretz_English/Care_for_Israel/sep/c4i-300x250-haaretz.jpg)
 
Tags: Wall Street, Lehman Brothers   

A new anti-Semitic conspiracy theory has been spreading online over the last few days, claiming that on the eve of Lehman Brothers' collapse last month, the firm transferred $400 billion to Israel.

The theory, which comes in the form of a news report, has already been distributed on dozens of anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli sites. It alleges that senior Jewish officials at the Lehman Brothers investment bank passed their clients' money on to three Israeli banks, with the intention of then escaping to Israel to enjoy the take without fear of extradition.

Since the collapse of Lehman Brothers, which was founded in the United States by Jewish immigrants from Germany in 1850, Web forums and comment pages have been flooded with anti-Semitic comments accusing Jews of causing the global economic crisis and branding them the greatest beneficiaries of the disaster. Such statements are especially common on clearly racist sites, but can also be found on more popular mainstream sites.
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The Anti-Defamation League in the U.S. and other international bodies monitoring anti-Semitism have documented hundreds of such cases in the past two weeks.

A number of Islamic organizations, including Hamas in Gaza - which called the economic crisis America's punishment for its bad deeds - have joined the chorus and accused the Jewish lobby of causing the crisis.

But the allegation of the transfer of $400 billion of Lehman Brothers' cash to Israel is much more focused. The story making the rounds was written as if it were a news report from Washington, and has a byline of the "Voice of the White House." The story names three Israeli banks that allegedly received the money, explains in detail Israel's extradition laws and bank-secrecy act, and charges American law-enforcement authorities of having knowledge of the transfer. It also cites excerpts from a real story that appeared on the Bloomberg economic news service wire about estimated losses of $400 billion in the brokerage division of the investment bank.

The "story" first appeared a week ago on the Web site of Jeff Rense, a former journalist who has published numerous conspiracy theories involving Jews, Israel and the American administration.

Since then, it has been picked up and posted on dozens of sites and anti-Semitic blogs. Surfers who read it tried to copy it to more respectable forums and comment pages such as The Huffington Post in the U.S. and The Independent in Britain.

The conspiracy theory is reminiscent of past allegations about Jews, ranging from the czarist-era "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" to the widely circulated libel that the Israeli Mossad knew in advance about the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center and warned all of the complex's Jewish employees not to come to work that morning.
 
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1028069.html


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Volitzer on November 26, 2008, 01:42:46 am
Look if the Supreme Court doesn't want to do its job then it is we the people who will have to file law-suits in order to resist this un-Constitutional President.

We have in essence another Taft-Administration.  A man holding the office who isn't Constitutionally legal to be there.

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This is my absolute favorite anti-income-tax argument. Most claims that Americans aren't required to pay income tax rely on legal interpretations so tortured only a tax resister could possibly believe them. But the Ohio thing has just enough plausibility to give even sane people pause.
It all started when Ohio was preparing to celebrate the 150th anniversary of its admission to the Union in 1953. Researchers looking for the original statehood documents discovered there'd been a little oversight. While Congress had approved Ohio's boundaries and constitution, it had never passed a resolution formally admitting the future land of the Buckeyes. Technically, therefore, Ohio was not a state.
Predictably, when this came to light it was the subject of much merriment. One senator joshingly suggested that his colleagues from Ohio were drawing federal paychecks under false pretenses.
But Ohio congressman George Bender thought it was no laughing matter. He introduced a bill in Congress to admit Ohio to the Union retroactive to March 1, 1803. At a special session at the old state capital in Chillicothe the Ohio state legislature approved a new petition for statehood that was delivered to Washington on horseback. Congress subsequently passed a joint resolution, and President Eisenhower, after a few more jokes, signed it on August 7, 1953.
But then the tax resisters got to work. They argued that since Ohio wasn't officially a state until 1953, its ratification of the 16th Amendment in 1911 was invalid, and thus Congress had no authority to enact an income tax.
Baloney, argued rational folk. A sufficient number of states voted for ratification even if you don't count Ohio.
OK, said the resisters, but the proposed amendment had been introduced to Congress by the administration of William H. Taft. Taft had been born in Cincinnati, Ohio, in 1857. The Constitution requires that presidents be natural-born citizens of the United States. Since Ohio was not a state in 1857, Taft was not a natural-born citizen, could not legally be president, and could not legally introduce the 16th Amendment. (Presumably one would also have problems with anything done by presidents Grant, Hayes, Garfield, B. Harrison, McKinley, and Harding, who were also born in Ohio.)
Get off it, the rationalists replied. The 1953 resolution retroactively admitted Ohio as of 1803, thereby rendering all subsequent events copacetic.
Uh-uh, said the resisters. The constitution says the Congress shall make no ex post facto law. That means no retroactive admissions to statehood.
Uh, we'll get back to you on that, said the rationalists.
A call to the IRS elicited the following official statement: "The courts have . . . rejected claims that the Sixteenth Amendment . . . was not properly ratified. . . . In Porth v. Brodrick, 214 F.2d 925 (10th Circuit 1954), the court dismissed an attack on the Sixteenth Amendment as being 'clearly unsubstantial and without merit,' as well as 'far fetched and frivolous.'"
Just one problem. The Porth decision didn't specifically address the Ohio argument. It just sort of spluttered that attacks on the 16th Amendment were stupid.
OK, they're stupid. But great matters have turned on seemingly sillier points of law. It's not like the Ohio argument couldn't have been defeated on the merits. One suspects that from a legal standpoint "ex post facto" doesn't mean exactly the same thing as "retroactive." And of course the weight of 150 years of history, during which time everyone thought Ohio had been properly admitted, ought to count for something.
I'm not defending the crackpots. But if you're a parent you recognize that "because I said so" isn't much of an argument. Guess it's different if you're a judge.


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Bianca on November 26, 2008, 07:56:46 am






                                              Obama rips U.S. Constitution



                          Faults Supreme Court for not mandating 'redistribution of wealth'





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Posted: October 27, 2008
1:46 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily

Seven years before Barack Obama's "spread the wealth" comment to Joe the Plumber became a GOP campaign theme, the Democratic presidential candidate said in a radio interview the U.S. has suffered from a



                                            fundamentally flawed Constitution



that does not mandate or allow for redistribution of wealth.

In a newly unearthed tape, Obama is heard telling Chicago's public station WBEZ-FM in 2001 that "redistributive change" is needed, pointing to what he regarded as a failure of the U.S. Supreme Court under Chief Justice Earl Warren in its rulings on civil rights issues in the 1960s.

The Warren court, he said, failed to "break free from the essential constraints" in the U.S. Constitution and launch a major redistribution of wealth. But Obama, then an Illinois state lawmaker, said the legislative branch of government, rather than the courts, probably was the ideal avenue for accomplishing that goal.


MORE:


http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=79225


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Adrienne on November 26, 2008, 03:13:07 pm
DUO TAKE OBAMA BIRTH CHALLENGE TO COURT

Posted: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:57 AM by Domenico Montanaro
Filed Under: Courts, 2008 Obama


From NBC’s Pete Williams
When the justices of the U.S. Supreme Court meet on Dec. 5th, in their regular private conference to decide which cases to hear, two lawsuits that have captivated a segment of the blogosphere will be up for discussion.

Both urge the court to consider claims that President-elect Obama is not qualified to be president, because he is not a natural-born American citizen.

Persistent concerns about the qualifications of both major party candidates rank among the oddest aspects of 2008's historic campaign.

Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution provides that "No person except a natural born citizen" is eligible to be president. John McCain's status was questioned because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone and various theories have been advanced to cast doubt on Obama's.

Lawsuits over the inclusion of their names on state general-election ballots popped up around the country and were quickly dispensed with by local courts. But two challengers have pursued their cases to the Supreme Court.

Pennsylvania lawyer Philip Berg claims that the circumstances of Obama's birth are vague and that he may have been born in Kenya. Obama's mother, Berg asserts, later flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

Leo Donofrio, a New Jersey lawyer, contends that election officials in his state failed to ensure that only legally qualified candidates were placed on the ballot. Obama may have been born in the United States, Donofrio argues, but "natural born" status depends on both parents being American citizens. Obama's father was Kenyan.

The justices are unlikely to take up these cases for a host of reasons, not the least of which is the invitation to overturn the results of an election in which more than 66 million Americans voted for Obama. An equally high hurdle is the issue of whether Berg or Donofrio have the legal right to sue claiming a violation of the Constitution.

In dismissing Berg's complaint, a federal judge in Pennsylvania found that he failed to meet the basic test required for sustaining a lawsuit, because he couldn't show how the inclusion of Obama's name on the ballot would cause him -- apart from others -- some particular harm. Berg's stake, the judge said, "is no greater and his status no more differentiated than that of millions of other voters."

Other courts presented with similar challenges have reached the same conclusion, ruling that there is no general legal right to sue over the Constitution's eligibility requirements. Federal courts typically reject claims of legal standing based simply on a litigant's status as a voter or taxpayer.

The Obama campaign had hoped to end the controversy last spring by releasing his actual Hawaii birth certificate. But that prompted further questions about its authenticity, which were compounded when state authorities in Hawaii said they could not vouch for it, because they were constrained by the privacy laws.

Then, on Oct. 31st, the director of Hawaii's Department of Health issued a statement, proclaiming that he had personally seen and verified that the state has "Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record," which shows that he was born there.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/11/26/1689515.aspx


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Adrienne on November 26, 2008, 03:18:58 pm
Of course, I wouldn't get too excited by this, Volitzer.  The hearing is not the case in itself being heard by the Supreme Court, but whether it should be heard by the Supreme Court.

On the one hand, this is a more conservative court than the one that gave Bush the presidency in 2000, though, so you have that on your side at least! 

On the other hand, if they do try and overturn it, with all the supporters that Obama has, and as bad as the economy is right now, it will proably be the end of the United States as we know it.


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Bianca on November 26, 2008, 03:40:11 pm



".......On the other hand, if they do try and overturn it, with all the supporters that Obama has,

and as bad as the economy is right now, it will proably be the end of the United States as we know it."


BLACKMAIL,

                             'ala "There will be blood on the streets - Donna Brazile'", again........?






IF THE



                                                     C O N S T I T U T I O N


IS NOT UPHELD, IT'S THE END OF THE UNITED STATES AS WE KNOW IT, ANYHOW.......


I GUESS ARNOLD SCHWARTZENEGGER IS GOING TO BE RUNNING FOR POTUS NEXT TERM.

I SUPPOSE THAT,THEN, I MIGHT, TOO......

WHY NOT?



                                                     W H A T   A   F A R C E ! ! !


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Adrienne on November 26, 2008, 03:49:18 pm
Bianca,

I have been following this lawsuit since Volitzer brought it up, looked into all the details of it, too, and there is no evidence that Obama was born in Kenya. There is even a clip from a Hawaii newspaper at the time he was born stating that he was born in Hawaii.

This was in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:
(http://texasdarlin.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/close-up.jpg?w=303&h=99&h=99)

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/obama-was-likely-born-in-hawaii/

The people claiming otherwise are simply taking witnesses out of context. 

As for the Constitution, Bush has been shredding it for the last eight years.  Do we even stil have one?  Democracy actually died in 2000, back when the Supreme Court picked Bush over Gore, in fact, who won by over 500,000 votes. This time, Obama won by nine million, I doubt very much that they would stick their nose in this, but you never know.


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Bianca on November 26, 2008, 03:58:20 pm





You are right, Adrienne,

This is going

                                                            NO WHERE


The  'messiah'  was chosen a long time ago, by 'the powers that be'

anybody who can't see that is indeed blind.


                                    He is the   THIRD (3) TERM OF GEORGE W. BUSH


Just for the record, though, his Kenyan step-grandmother keeps insisting that she witnessed
his birth in KENYA.

The current KENYAN ambassador has also stated, within the last week, that his BIRTHPLACE
has become a shrine.


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Volitzer on November 29, 2008, 11:46:54 pm
Produce the Dog Gone Birth Certificate


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJc6uczdhE0&

 8)

Okay now all of you who want to play the race card can just keep quiet.


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Volitzer on November 29, 2008, 11:57:30 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM8BwErMkAk&feature=related


 :o :o :o :o


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Juan Carlos Mendoza on November 30, 2008, 12:03:33 am
My friend, you must get over your hatred for non-white Americans.  Someday, America shall also be ruled by a Hispanic President, who shall open America's doors for all his brothers and sisters to the south and then where shall you be?  Best to put such prejudice aside now, I say.  :)


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Juan Carlos Mendoza on November 30, 2008, 12:45:18 am
America will learn to welcome it's arms to all illegal aliens in time, my friend!  Those that do not can move up north, perhaps to Canada.


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Volitzer on November 30, 2008, 12:56:53 am
My friend, you must get over your hatred for non-white Americans.  Someday, America shall also be ruled by a Hispanic President, who shall open America's doors for all his brothers and sisters to the south and then where shall you be?  Best to put such prejudice aside now, I say.  :)

It has nothing to do with hatred of non-white Americans.  >:(  My girlfriend is multi-racial.   Her father is half African and half Hispanic and her mother is an Irish-American white.  So goes your "race-card" argument.

I would have supported Alan Keyes if he were to have run on the Constitution Party.  The American Independent Party had fewer states than the Constitution Party did.

My contention is that both Obama, McCain and Barr had Bilderberg/NWO connections.  This whole Obama Presidency is no doubt a NWO plot to divide up America.


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Volitzer on November 30, 2008, 12:59:46 am
America will learn to welcome it's arms to all illegal aliens in time, my friend!  Those that do not can move up north, perhaps to Canada.

Look if Mexico wants to join the USA have them apply for statehood.  Then America will send surveyors down and mark our borders then get a resolution passed in Congress making Mexico a state.  Of course they will have to learn English but they already deal in dollars so it won't that hard of a transition.


Title: Mexico?
Post by: DDDnD3D on November 30, 2008, 01:59:35 am
Carlos what are you saying about c@n@d@h ? That illegal aliens are welcome in c@n@d@? Or Americans that dont accept illegal aliens can move to c@n@d@? It doesnt make sense what you are trying to say?  Please clarify.


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Volitzer on November 30, 2008, 02:07:41 am
We did meet on eHarmony and there's more to our relationship than just sex.

She is amazing, I didn't think it was possible for a woman to be smart, beautiful, practical and have a sense of humor that she has.  Most women can be smart or funny but both.

You're just mad that I don't fall into the typical bigot category.


Title: Re: Mexico?
Post by: Volitzer on November 30, 2008, 02:11:20 am
Carlos what are you saying about c@n@d@h ? That illegal aliens are welcome in c@n@d@? Or Americans that don't accept illegal aliens can move to c@n@d@? It doesnt make sense what you are trying to say?  Please clarify.

Of course it doesn't make sense.  If anti-illegal alien Americans move to Canada then they would be illegal aliens.   ::)

but that's the kind of intelligence that the NWO tries to manipulate as to divide up America and implode it from within.

Good job being useful idiots to the NWO.   :D


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Volitzer on December 02, 2008, 02:03:24 pm
Go to e-Harmony.com and avoid the 20s crowd and you'll find your soulmate just like I did.

Most women are dingy which is why the e-Harmony compatibility filtration process is the best in the business.


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Bianca on December 02, 2008, 04:05:05 pm




Juan Carlos Mendoza
New Member


My friend, you must get over your hatred for non-white Americans.  Someday, America shall also be ruled by a Hispanic President, who shall open America's doors for all his brothers and sisters to the south and then where shall you be?  Best to put such prejudice aside now, I say.   
 
 
America will learn to welcome it's arms to all illegal aliens in time, my friend!  Those that do not can move up north, perhaps to Canada.

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Tell me, Juan Carlos:

Why haven't you made things better for yourselves "South of the Border"?

It's not as though you have not got any natural resources.  Maybe you couldn't get organized to do it?

That certainly does not  speak well for a would-be Latin American President of the U.S.A.......


And, please, drop the 'prejudice' horse puckey, already!

It's been done to death this time around.....


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Juan Carlos Mendoza on December 05, 2008, 12:02:40 am
Quote
Tell me, Juan Carlos:

Why haven't you made things better for yourselves "South of the Border"?

It's not as though you have not got any natural resources.  Maybe you couldn't get organized to do it?

That certainly does not  speak well for a would-be Latin American President of the U.S.A.......


And, please, drop the 'prejudice' horse puckey, already!

Bianca, my friend, land does not belong to any individual country, it only belongs to God!  So things are better north of the border than they are south at the moment, we are all brothers and sisters and so we should welcome each other everywhere! You Americans are certainly welcome down south. And so, we should each observe no borders, and your land is our land!   :)


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Juan Carlos Mendoza on December 05, 2008, 12:06:57 am
Quote
Why haven't you made things better for yourselves "South of the Border"?

Mexico is very beautiful country and you are welcome anytime to visit us, I extend to you my invitation.  By this same spirit, I hope that you shall also welcome all my many brothers and sisters into your country, and we can all of us be one big happy  family under God.  Let us have no walls, no borders, and let us share equally in all of your jobs and economic prosperity.   :)


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Juan Carlos Mendoza on December 05, 2008, 12:14:48 am
Carlos what are you saying about c@n@d@h ? That illegal aliens are welcome in c@n@d@? Or Americans that dont accept illegal aliens can move to c@n@d@? It doesnt make sense what you are trying to say?  Please clarify.

My friend, it is my belief that Americans that don't accept us should move to Canada.  It would grieve me to see them go, but there are less of us in Canada than in good old U.S.A., and we are only coming here in greater numbers.  Hispanics are the fastest growing constituency in America and we are steadily influencing all of your elections.  Someday soon we shall even have a Hispanic President of the U.S.A. and then he shall throw all the borders and we shall all rush in like water.  That is, unless President Obama does not perform this act for us first.   :)


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Volitzer on December 05, 2008, 01:14:37 am
Look Hispanic Americans are against illegal-aliens too.  Are you going to consider them racist too.

Sorry but your La Raza/Reconquista mindset won't win you any sympathy here.  We know you guys are just useful idiots to the New World Order.


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Asumandez Soltero on December 05, 2008, 01:28:23 am
No Hispanic Americans are against Mexicans coming to U.S.  Mr. Juan Carlos Mendoza is right, Volitzer, and you are wrong.  The lands of Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas were once owned by beloved Mexico, this was once the great land of Atlan, and we shall feel free to come and settle on them as we please.  If Canada had stolen New York from you, would you still feel that you had the right to go there?  I believe so, yes.


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Volitzer on December 05, 2008, 01:40:32 am
No Hispanic Americans are against Mexicans coming to U.S.  Mr. Juan Carlos Mendoza is right, Volitzer, and you are wrong.  The lands of Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas were once owned by beloved Mexico, this was once the great land of Atlan, and we shall feel free to come and settle on them as we please.  If Canada had stolen New York from you, would you still feel that you had the right to go there?  I believe so, yes.

It's all Nazi/NWO propaganda to take down America.  The NWO knows most Mexicans are poor and easily manipulated.

The whole Aztlan area was too big for the people of Mexico to occupy, you simply never had the population to occupy it all.

The whole Aztlan lie is just NWO propaganda to get poor Mexicans distracted from their own problems and to blame Americans to why they are living so miserably.


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Asumandez Soltero on December 05, 2008, 01:51:29 am
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The whole Aztlan area was too big for the people of Mexico to occupy, you simply never had the population to occupy it all.

Yes, but we do now, my friend.  We have a population now as big as  that of the waves of the ocean, and we shall wash over the desert, filling it with the life of new Hispanics, each of us hoping to be Americans as well.  :)


Title: No Hot Bloods
Post by: DDDnD3D on December 05, 2008, 01:59:52 am
Canda is not the destination of any sensible Mexican. [or Italian? just ask Bianca !]


Title: Re: CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
Post by: Volitzer on December 05, 2008, 02:13:12 am
Obama may be in but any amnesty he'd grant will be un-Constitutional anyway.

Don't push your luck with the Constitution reading Americans.

Many Americans aint to thrilled about our un-Constitutional President-elect.

The NWO's plans are widespread and well known.  You're element of surprise has been lost.  Not everyone in America has taken the NWO sodium-fluoride.