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Title: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Brooke on October 29, 2008, 11:06:27 am
Pick your choice for President and VP!  The poll will run till the election and then close.

I didn't know all the VP picks for some of the independent picks, so if you know them, let me know and I will add on later.

Thanks!

Brooke


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Sword of Damascus on October 29, 2008, 09:52:49 pm
This "Joe the Plummer" business has to be the most asinine tagline I have ever seen for a campaign.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Sword of Damascus on October 29, 2008, 09:55:03 pm
"Proven mavericks," my ass.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Subversion of Liberty on October 29, 2008, 09:58:45 pm
You do know that Ron Paul is not officially still a candidate?


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Subversion of Liberty on October 29, 2008, 10:00:50 pm
Still, he's much better than  Baldwin, his replacement.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Trent on October 29, 2008, 10:11:11 pm
Obama actually is my Senator.  The guy is exactly as he seems to be, unlike some politicians that spend all their time showing you one face, while actually being somebody else.  If he wins, he'll be the first President from Illinois since Lincoln.   :)


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Sarah on October 29, 2008, 10:21:50 pm
At this time, I would like to offer my whole-hearted endorsement of Senator Barack Obama, whom I believe would be the best choice to restore America's economic prosperity, her image overseas, and also the best friend to Israel and the Jewish people.

Sarah


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Monique Faulkner on October 30, 2008, 11:06:06 am
I wouldn't get too complacent, Obama supporters.  Power does not give itself up easily!  And the Republicans are really good at stealing elections, the vote-flipping going on in West Virgina is a perfect example.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Roy McGiness on October 30, 2008, 02:09:51 pm
I just can't figger you young people.  Why aren't you votin' for John McCain..?  He's a good Republican with sound conservative values.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Norman Pounders on October 30, 2008, 09:54:26 pm
I know exactly what you mean, Roy.  I'm not exactly a McCain fan myself, I don't expect that you will find many true conservatives say they're too wild about him (unless they're lying).  However, most will agree that he's better than this Obama fellow.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Pagan on October 30, 2008, 10:09:00 pm
YOU SUCK, NORMAN!!!!


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Volitzer on October 30, 2008, 11:17:46 pm
Yeah when mass arrests happen under Obama and people are sent to the FEMA Camps it'll still be much better than mass arrests under McCain.   ::)

You liberals will be so happy when Obama and Biden betray you to the New World Order won't you.   >:(

...and you Republicans aint any better both parties are controlled ny the Bilderbergers I guess we'll habe to have a 2nd Civil War before necons and liberals wake up so be it !!!   :-X


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Beefcake on October 31, 2008, 12:11:45 am
McCain!!!!!

He's for average guys like me and Joe the Plummer!  We don't need no pinko Communist tax cut for the middle class!!! 


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Manimal on October 31, 2008, 12:21:41 am
That's true, brother, plus, that Sarah Palin is quite a dish, isn't she?


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Keith Ranville on October 31, 2008, 12:37:01 am
I guess Joe the Plummer was a no show today..the expession on John McCain's face looked as senile as SNL portraites him, as john McCain's senile imaginary friend Joe the plummer ?   :-[

Negative tensions are riding high, emotions are getting bitter, life is begining to suck for one political party?


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Kris Conover on October 31, 2008, 12:44:02 am
I'm with "Sword of Damascus," I don't think I have ever seen such a lame gimmick for a campaign as "Joe the Plummer."

And all those dumb people cheering McCain on when he mentions him!  You can't tell me they are all making over 250k.  So, I guess, in essence they are cheering the fact that they are voting against a tax cut for themselves while the rich keep getting one.

And don't give me this crap that the tax cut will go the unemployed and the poor!  You have to work to pay taxes, it's a totally idiotic argument!


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Qoais on October 31, 2008, 01:01:11 am
Being a Canadian, and looking at it from the outside - I cannot imagine why anyone would vote for what has been termed a "good Republican".
From what I've seen, a "good Republican" has taken the American country from being a top nation in the world into poverty  - possibly creating a time in hardship equal to the great depression.  A "good Republican" has taken the American country into wars that were ill thought out, and based on unreliable information.  A "good Republican" has doled out millions of dollars to the very people who have caused the economic collapse and who then thumbed their noses at the American people by turning right around and squandering the money on frivolities.  Only in America, eh?

The world stage is set to receive Barack Obama and it will not only be the American Democrats that would be disappointed and ill used if McCain wins.  McCain does not seem to have any knowledge of diplomatic negotiating, he has no knowledge of the suffering of the middle class people - he has never had to want for anything, and thinks people are poor if they make under $500,000.00 a year.  How could he possibly have a clue what is good for the American people when he isn't one of them?  So he signed up in the forces.  So what?  Was he the only one?  There were thousands of people in the forces, some more tortured and maimed that McCain.  Was he a hero?  I don't think so.  He did his duty - yes - but a hero?  No.  The men that were captured along with him have a different story.  He talks about being a fighter pilot, when the Cuban missile crises developed.  To hear him talk, you'd think he was the only pilot out there.  Truth be told, he was just that - a pilot waiting for instructions that never came.  There was no mission.  So how does sitting in a plane on the sidelines, make him "experienced" enough to be a president?  From the information I've studied, he was second last in a class of over 400 pilots, barely making it.  He only flew two missions, and crashed the plane both times.  He broke his arms when he jumped from his plane, not from being tortured.  All the men were tortured that were captured, but he was the only one who "broke" and made a video for the enemy, saying he was a terrorist of the United States.  THIS all makes him experienced as a president?  The other men who were tortured received more torture after McCain made that tape, and I'll bet they aren't thanking him for it.  I'll bet some of those men would be a better candidate for the Presidency than McCain, but because they didn't have a mommiewarbucks to facilitate an expensive life in politics, they didn't get a chance.

Barack Obama was raised in poverty.  He has first hand knowledge of what it takes to work hard, to develop character, and when he finished his education, he used it to help those who were in the same position he was before.  He didn't become an elitist, he didn't stick his nose in the air, he didn't take the easy way when he got to the top.  He's genuine.  THAT's what the world sees in Obama. He's educated, he's diplomatic, he's sincere, he's gracious, he's a gentleman,  he cares.  He's genuine.  His excellent upbringing comes through big time.  His wife is the same.  Michelle is truly a lady.  They are the type of people who set an example for others to follow.  People see the sincerity, see the dedication, and are motivated to be more like them.  They are both excellent role models.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Qoais on October 31, 2008, 01:12:45 am
I would like to mention the Free Trade Agreement as well.  You Americans are lucky that you have the type of politics you do.  Us Canadians, weren't even informed that our Prime Minister was going to ram the Free Trade Agreement through until it was pretty much a 'done deal".  We didn't want it.  Only the rich wanted it, so it was put trough very quickly.  We the people, did not have a chance to hold a referendum on it, or have a say in it.  If Barack Obama wants to re-negotiate the Free Trade Agreement with Canada, we'll welcome the negotiations.  However, I'm afraid it won't be "we the people" negotiating.  I just hope that when the time comes, we have a leader that will listen to the people, not the elite, when he's doing the negotiating.

In case you're not aware of your Northern Neighbor, that war in Iraq you've got going, is costing US big time.  We don't have an army like yours, we've been cutting down on it for years and years.  Our forces are poorly equipped.  We're a disgrace in that arena, but we had to send troops to back our friend and neighbor in the South, so we did.  We too, have lost a lot of "soldiers" in your war. 

By the way, our gas is still over $5.00 a gallon, not only do we pay income tax, we pay a provincial tax on everything we buy, we pay a GST (Goods and Services Tax) on everything we buy, and now here in British Columbia, we have to pay a "carbon" tax on all our fuels as well.

Oh yeah - about our health care?  My husband and I pay $96.00 a month (that's for the two of us, not each) for coverage.  My husband has just had a major operation - a complete shoulder replacement surgery and there will be months of physiotherapy.  ALL of it is covered by our health care.  I phoned a clinic that has connections with the USA to see what it would cost if we were to get the operation done in the States.  My husband was in agony and I thought if we could afford it, we'd go over the border and do it in Washington.  Just the operation alone was going to be $50,000.00.  Then anything he used in the hospital was extra, all medicines would have been extra, and that's to say nothing of the physio afterwards.  Also, if anything went wrong afterwards, we would have to go back to the surgeon who did the operation, as no surgeon will touch another doctor's surgery.  So, we'd have had to pay for that as well.  Between the two of us, in our married life, we have had a number of operations.  All covered by our health care program.  There ARE things that are not covered by our system any more, like breast implants, cosmetic surgery and things that are of a beauty enhancement nature.  However, to buy supplemental health insurance is not as expensive as it is in the USA.  My cousin has lived in the States for most of her life.  She told me her and her husband pay $800.00 a month of health insurance.  I was stunned, shocked and incredulous.  Surely with the millions of people in America, SOMEONE can come up with a plan that would be more beneficial and cost effective for everyone. 


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Keith Ranville on October 31, 2008, 01:28:57 am
I'm with "Sword of Damascus," I don't think I have ever seen such a lame gimmick for a campaign as "Joe the Plummer."


Joe the Plummer, isn't really a plummer? and he don't have a plumming licenes, I find that odd for someone to front themselves as a professional tradesman without creditentials. McCain more than likely paid off, and to campaign for him. I am quite sure Joe plummer isn't stumping out of the goodness of his heart. Joe plummer is on the McCain millionaire fat-cat money train slurpping the EXxon gravy bankroll.

I hope to Wanna work for NASA one day, but I dont go around publically fronting myself as a astronaut? 


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Qoais on October 31, 2008, 01:34:04 am
Not even his name is real.  Joe the Plumber's name is Sam or something.  He can't even tell the truth about his name and McCain thinks this is a bonus to his campaign?  Now he's got a publicist and I'll just bet that he demanded money to show up for McCain and when McCains people didn't pay up, he didn't show.  How can McCain possibly think that this bumbling idiot could be an asset to him?  Is he going to use him as a consultant if he's president? Poor you.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Volitzer on October 31, 2008, 04:03:35 am
I'm with "Sword of Damascus," I don't think I have ever seen such a lame gimmick for a campaign as "Joe the Plummer."

And all those dumb people cheering McCain on when he mentions him!  You can't tell me they are all making over 250k.  So, I guess, in essence they are cheering the fact that they are voting against a tax cut for themselves while the rich keep getting one.

And don't give me this crap that the tax cut will go the unemployed and the poor!  You have to work to pay taxes, it's a totally idiotic argument!

What's idiotic is the fact that the idiotic Americans never make the Bilderberg connection with the Republicans/Democrats/Federal-Reserve/CFR/Trialteral Commission/NWO.

By the way genius  ;) "plummer" is spelled PLUMBER

but I'm sure Obama will fix such problems in public education cuz he is the messiah !!!   ::)


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Volitzer on October 31, 2008, 04:08:12 am
I'm with "Sword of Damascus," I don't think I have ever seen such a lame gimmick for a campaign as "Joe the Plummer."


Joe the Plummer, isn't really a plummer? and he don't have a plumming licenes, I find that odd for someone to front themselves as a professional tradesman without creditentials. McCain more than likely paid off, and to campaign for him. I am quite sure Joe plummer isn't stumping out of the goodness of his heart. Joe plummer is on the McCain millionaire fat-cat money train slurpping the EXxon gravy bankroll.

I hope to Wanna work for NASA one day, but I dont go around publically fronting myself as a astronaut? 

PLUMBER /  CREDENTIALS

...and what will you do at NASA ?

 :-\


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Volitzer on October 31, 2008, 04:12:27 am
Being a Canadian, and looking at it from the outside - I cannot imagine why anyone would vote for what has been termed a "good Republican".
From what I've seen, a "good Republican" has taken the American country from being a top nation in the world into poverty  - possibly creating a time in hardship equal to the great depression.  A "good Republican" has taken the American country into wars that were ill thought out, and based on unreliable information.  A "good Republican" has doled out millions of dollars to the very people who have caused the economic collapse and who then thumbed their noses at the American people by turning right around and squandering the money on frivolities.  Only in America, eh?

The world stage is set to receive Barack Obama and it will not only be the American Democrats that would be disappointed and ill used if McCain wins.  McCain does not seem to have any knowledge of diplomatic negotiating, he has no knowledge of the suffering of the middle class people - he has never had to want for anything, and thinks people are poor if they make under $500,000.00 a year.  How could he possibly have a clue what is good for the American people when he isn't one of them?  So he signed up in the forces.  So what?  Was he the only one?  There were thousands of people in the forces, some more tortured and maimed that McCain.  Was he a hero?  I don't think so.  He did his duty - yes - but a hero?  No.  The men that were captured along with him have a different story.  He talks about being a fighter pilot, when the Cuban missile crises developed.  To hear him talk, you'd think he was the only pilot out there.  Truth be told, he was just that - a pilot waiting for instructions that never came.  There was no mission.  So how does sitting in a plane on the sidelines, make him "experienced" enough to be a president?  From the information I've studied, he was second last in a class of over 400 pilots, barely making it.  He only flew two missions, and crashed the plane both times.  He broke his arms when he jumped from his plane, not from being tortured.  All the men were tortured that were captured, but he was the only one who "broke" and made a video for the enemy, saying he was a terrorist of the United States.  THIS all makes him experienced as a president?  The other men who were tortured received more torture after McCain made that tape, and I'll bet they aren't thanking him for it.  I'll bet some of those men would be a better candidate for the Presidency than McCain, but because they didn't have a mommiewarbucks to facilitate an expensive life in politics, they didn't get a chance.

Barack Obama was raised in poverty.  He has first hand knowledge of what it takes to work hard, to develop character, and when he finished his education, he used it to help those who were in the same position he was before.  He didn't become an elitist, he didn't stick his nose in the air, he didn't take the easy way when he got to the top.  He's genuine.  THAT's what the world sees in Obama. He's educated, he's diplomatic, he's sincere, he's gracious, he's a gentleman,  he cares.  He's genuine.  His excellent upbringing comes through big time.  His wife is the same.  Michelle is truly a lady.  They are the type of people who set an example for others to follow.  People see the sincerity, see the dedication, and are motivated to be more like them.  They are both excellent role models.


He's a CFR front-man who will do the Bilderbergers' bidding.

You've seen Star Wars and how Jedi mind tricks worked on the simple minded.

What we are seeing is an Illuminati mind trick working on the idiot public.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Keith Ranville on October 31, 2008, 01:11:23 pm
Thats my point the odds for me too work for NASA is nil, a pipe dream?

Joey plumper, is how his name should be spelled? he is hypothetical anyways.. I know a few tradesmen pipe fitters with there own licensed pluming crews, restoring pluming in new and old buildings and they take home nowhere near 250.ooo bucks annually.   ;D


 


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: V.I.P. on October 31, 2008, 03:52:24 pm
What's wrong with all of you??

Anyone who doesn't vote for John McCain us unpatriotic in my opinion! Johnny Mac fought and bled for his country, now it's America's turn to start doing some bleeding for him.  Probably a lot of liberals here who think they're too good to get drafted and serve in Iraq.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Qoais on October 31, 2008, 05:19:51 pm
I was thinking this morning about that crack you made Volitzer, that maybe Obama is the Messiah.  

What if he is?  The jews didn't accept Jesus as the Messiah either.  So what would be so horrible about that?  Jesus wasn't exactly a white man you know.  He's always depicted as such, but look where he lived.  In the middle of Arab country.  

And V.I.P.?  I'll just bet you wouldn't think so highly of J. McCain if you had served in the same platoon as him.  Thanks to his singing like a canary, the others all got tortured even worse.  I'll also bet none of those guys are voting for him.  There were thousands of soldiers who were tortured and died before singing for the enemy.  How does McCain stand up to that level of heroism?  Here they are, sticking together to say nothing, taking what the enemy handed out and then they're shown this tape of McCain spilling his guts.  How undermining is that?  It only takes one person to demoralize the rest, and undermine them all, so don't sing John McCain's praises to people who know better.  Find some of those who were there.  Ask them.

I can't understand why people don't investigate more on their own.

I would suspect you are probably over 50 years old and aren't in touch with what is going on this world.  If you were to travel in Europe, as a Canadain, you would find the most sought after souvineer is a Canadian lapel button because all the young generation of the Americans, are embarrassed to admit they're Americans overseas - because of the wars in Iraq and Afganistan that Pres. Bush has invoked on the rest of the world.  My daughter went to Europe and was constantly accosted by young Americans to sell her Canadian pins to them.  

The Afgan war is legitimate as Al Queda did attack the US.  However, G.W was more interested in settling the score for his father in Iraq and let Bin Laden slip through his fingers.  The Canadians and other troops of the world have had to help carry the war in Afganistan so I suspect that you are just a blowhard and do not know what you're talking about.  You should investigate Mr. McCain's war records.  We in Canada have no trouble accessing them and I'm sure if you wanted to know the truth, you could find out.  It takes more than crashing two planes to be able to say you're "experienced" enough to be president.  Just because a man served in the forces does not make him a hero, nor does it make him suitable to be president.  Most soldiers would die before they'd talk or give up information, but McCain sang like the weasel he is.  He has major attitude and needs a severe attitude adjustment.  He rants and raves how he has been tested - eh?  Yes, he's proved that he's not capable of being Commander in Chief as he would crumble and give in, as the video proves.  I remember when that video was aired and most Canadian did NOT see him as a hero.  It was John McCain first, country second then, and he is still that way.  It's all about John McCain, not what's good for the country.  I can't believe anyone would vote for such an empty, shallow, slimey individual.

The "Surge" that is being touted by McCain is NOT working.  If you'd read the news, from the American Generals to the English Generals to the Canadian Generals, all are of the same opinion.  The Surge is not working and never will.  But you're trying to tell us that McCain knows better than all these Generals who ARE battle experienced and are out in the field.  You're telling us people should sign up just to get killed in a war that the INTELLIGENT people are advising will never end.  They might as well step out in front of a bus, and save the army the trouble and expense of training them. 



Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Morrison on October 31, 2008, 06:15:55 pm
I am in total agreement, Qoais, and I especially dislike the cavalier attitude that so many conservatives have towards the lives of our troops.  They seem to think they are a dispensable commodity there to protect the profits of the oil companies.

Equally, how is McCain supposed to have any cred when it comes to being supposedly a stronger Commander-in-Chief?  He supported Bush on everything and would like to even bomb more places than Bush.

He also doesn't understand the economy, has a hair trigger temper and has no respect for women's rights.  His pandering to the religious right is also cause for concern.  We don't need anymore zealots in the White House, Bush was bad enough.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: the Hawk on October 31, 2008, 09:05:25 pm
For a strong American foreign policy that realizes the value of OIL in today's economy, vote McCain in '08.  Just say no to the surrender monkeys.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Orion of Deep West Texas on October 31, 2008, 10:15:21 pm
What a liberal electorate, WAKE UP, AMERICA!!!


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Volitzer on October 31, 2008, 11:06:06 pm
I was thinking this morning about that crack you made Volitzer, that maybe Obama is the Messiah.  

What if he is?  The jews didn't accept Jesus as the Messiah either.  So what would be so horrible about that?  Jesus wasn't exactly a white man you know.  He's always depicted as such, but look where he lived.  In the middle of Arab country.  

And V.I.P.?  I'll just bet you wouldn't think so highly of J. McCain if you had served in the same platoon as him.  Thanks to his singing like a canary, the others all got tortured even worse.  I'll also bet none of those guys are voting for him.  There were thousands of soldiers who were tortured and died before singing for the enemy.  How does McCain stand up to that level of heroism?  Here they are, sticking together to say nothing, taking what the enemy handed out and then they're shown this tape of McCain spilling his guts.  How undermining is that?  It only takes one person to demoralize the rest, and undermine them all, so don't sing John McCain's praises to people who know better.  Find some of those who were there.  Ask them.

I can't understand why people don't investigate more on their own.

I would suspect you are probably over 50 years old and aren't in touch with what is going on this world.  If you were to travel in Europe, as a Canadain, you would find the most sought after souvineer is a Canadian lapel button because all the young generation of the Americans, are embarrassed to admit they're Americans overseas - because of the wars in Iraq and Afganistan that Pres. Bush has invoked on the rest of the world.  My daughter went to Europe and was constantly accosted by young Americans to sell her Canadian pins to them.  

The Afgan war is legitimate as Al Queda did attack the US.  However, G.W was more interested in settling the score for his father in Iraq and let Bin Laden slip through his fingers.  The Canadians and other troops of the world have had to help carry the war in Afganistan so I suspect that you are just a blowhard and do not know what you're talking about.  You should investigate Mr. McCain's war records.  We in Canada have no trouble accessing them and I'm sure if you wanted to know the truth, you could find out.  It takes more than crashing two planes to be able to say you're "experienced" enough to be president.  Just because a man served in the forces does not make him a hero, nor does it make him suitable to be president.  Most soldiers would die before they'd talk or give up information, but McCain sang like the weasel he is.  He has major attitude and needs a severe attitude adjustment.  He rants and raves how he has been tested - eh?  Yes, he's proved that he's not capable of being Commander in Chief as he would crumble and give in, as the video proves.  I remember when that video was aired and most Canadian did NOT see him as a hero.  It was John McCain first, country second then, and he is still that way.  It's all about John McCain, not what's good for the country.  I can't believe anyone would vote for such an empty, shallow, slimey individual.

The "Surge" that is being touted by McCain is NOT working.  If you'd read the news, from the American Generals to the English Generals to the Canadian Generals, all are of the same opinion.  The Surge is not working and never will.  But you're trying to tell us that McCain knows better than all these Generals who ARE battle experienced and are out in the field.  You're telling us people should sign up just to get killed in a war that the INTELLIGENT people are advising will never end.  They might as well step out in front of a bus, and save the army the trouble and expense of training them. 



If you had bothered to investigate anything Chuck baldwin had said you would realize that he plans on pulling all military personnel from all locations and avoid all future un-declared and un-Constitutional wars.

Obama to my knowledge has made no claims.

Save your speeches for those voting Republican.

I have investigated on my own and Obama, McCain, and Biden, are all CFR members.

CFR members do the bidding of the Bilderbergers.

Why is the only thing you guys regard as evil is the KKK but not the CFR.

KKK = evil = end of political career

CFR = evil = ignored by liberals and idiot Americans and elected and trusted to office.

 :o


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Qoais on November 01, 2008, 12:14:48 am
Volitzer - do you actually believe that those rich Arabs would allow themselves to be taken over and ruled by foreigners?  Look what just happened with the world economy when gas prices went up.  It broke a lot of countries, not just the USA.  Are you trying to say those rich Arab shieks are part of this One World Government plot?  Not likely, unless it's them that rules. 

The United States has been suckered into depleting it's economy, suckered into sending troops to fight a war that can never be won.  And WHO has suckered the States into doing all this?  Do you think everyone else in the world is stupid?  Don't you think that those Arabs have psychiatrists, and analysts monitoring the personalities of the people in power and know their weak spots?  They knew Bush better than most Americans know Bush.  They knew they could sucker him into a war in Iraq to finish up the business his father started.  They knew he'd go off track from chasing Bin Laden and enter into a war in Iraq.  They knew he's still have to fight in Afganistan to save face regarding Bin Laden.  Another major expenditure that the States can't afford. They read him like a book.  Then they hike the oil prices to help break the US economy, while all the while very aware of the great expenditures that were necessitated by the devasting storms in many parts of the country.  Was it a co-incidence that the oil prices went up after Katrina?  In Iraq?  Where Katrina had no effect?  The oil supply from New Orleans is such a small percentage of the gross product, that it hardly counts, but ask the oil companies why the price went up and what answer do you get?  Because of Katrina.  How convenient. 

Think for yourself for a change Volitzer.  Try to read something more intellectual than snippets posted on the internet.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Jennifer O'Dell on November 01, 2008, 12:33:02 am
Quote
I have investigated on my own and Obama, McCain, and Biden, are all CFR members.

CFR members do the bidding of the Bilderbergers.

Why is the only thing you guys regard as evil is the KKK but not the CFR.


Cause the CFR is just a Washington think tank that conspiracy theorists fantasize about while the KKK is a racist organization with an actual history of racism, lynchings and murders.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Jennifer O'Dell on November 01, 2008, 12:37:46 am
It's no use, Qoais, unless it comes from the Alex Jones website, Volitzer won't believe it.  He is totally lost in their anti-government propaganda.  Those guys are all going to end up survivalists, hawking their money, their guns and their food, waiting for the big one to come.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Jennie McGrath on November 01, 2008, 12:44:10 am
I'm hoping that if Barack becomes Prez, he releases all the UFO files!  Clinton said he would, but never did.  What is the hang-up anyway??


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Tempest on November 01, 2008, 12:48:22 am
I believe in some conspiracy stuff, we certainly have a sneeky, under-minded government capable of killing a lot of people.  However, I have yet to see any proof that the Council on Foreign Relations is anything more than one of many political groups they have in  Washington, no more or less powerful than anything else.  AIPAC has a lot more influence than they or any other group does, heck, at least we have proof of that! 


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Forms of Things Unknown on November 01, 2008, 04:01:04 pm
Well!  It's nice to see that the forum has some taste.  :)


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Wally Ashcroft on November 01, 2008, 09:45:05 pm
Bad taste!  What ya'll see in Barack Obama??


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Tom Hebert on November 02, 2008, 06:09:28 am
Obama is a quality man.  McCain is nothing but a demagogue.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Qoais on November 02, 2008, 11:44:27 am
Last night CNN had a special called McCain Revealed-Obama Revealed.  They did the life stories of both men, and the contrast is stark.

The story of McCain was one of frivolity and irresponsibility.  Always wanting everything his way, no matter the consequences.  Some of the consequences of his actions caused the deaths of others.  A spoiled brat with a respected name who used that name to get what he wanted, rather than proving himself worthy.

Obama on the other hand, spent his time helping people more unfortunate than himself.  He had the chance to be a high paid lawyer and turned it down to go back to Chicago and help improve the communities and teach people to work and help themselves.  What a great role model.



Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Tiffany Arsenault on November 02, 2008, 03:27:31 pm
After witnessing Obama's get out the vote effort, I am sure that the Republicans won't be making fun of the fact that he was a community organizer again.  I live in a rural area and the Obama people have been to my door four times, as opposed to one visit by Republicans, who prefer to attack with direct mail and robocalls.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Allison on November 03, 2008, 01:42:54 am
The ONLY hope this country has is to elect Barack Obama. Anybody else and they would not only be wasting their vote, they would be sending this country even further down into the dumps!!


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Lars Worthington III on November 03, 2008, 09:57:17 am
Nooooo!  These results are unacceptable to conservative America!
We need to get out the vote for John McCain! 

(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/writers/mike_fish/12/07/fish.1207/p1_mccain_all.jpg)

1.  John McCain will keep the Bush tax cuts intact.  You may think that you aren't affected by the Bush tax cuts (one of those underpriviliged people who never pays taxes, perhaps).  You would be wrong, the more money that we, the wealthy have, the more money we have to create jobs, if we so deem.  So, you see?  Everyone benefits.

2.  John McCain will start a war with Iran, this won't happen if we elect one of those pacifist Democrats. We'll teach that Ahmerdinijad person a thing or two, as well as insure the safety of our allies in the Miiddle East, Israel, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

3.  Occupying both Iraq and Iran will give us control of vast oil resources.  Massive American companies like Exxon and Shell Oil will reap tremendous oil reserves.  We'd be the biggest player in the Middle East, and our satellite countries (Iraq and Iran) would control all the oil.

4.  John McCain won't do a lot of tinkering with the economy, he'll allow the markets to right themselves all on their own, just as it should be.  He doesn't know a great deal about the economy and, like George Bush, isn't curious about it either so he won't be tempted to screw around with it too much.

5. John McCain will appoint strict constructionist judges to the supreme court, the types of judges that will overrule Roe vs. Wade and make abortion illegal again.

6. John McCain would be the most inclined to carry on the policies of George W. Bush when it comes to dealing with the War in Iraq and the War on Terror.  I forsee a perpetual occupation of Iraq (John has said that he would like us to even stay a hundred years), and I can just tell he is just chomping at the bit to get at those terrorist bastards.

So, vote for John McCain, he is a war hero, a maverick, the most experiences man running for President and he is damned worthy to get your vote.

(http://healthcare.zdnet.com/images/john-mccain.jpg)

(http://www.getreligion.org/wp-content/photos/mccain0508.jpg)

Hurry, fellow McCain supporters! 


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Lars Worthington III on November 03, 2008, 10:03:16 am
Senator John McCain will put an end to the runaway train that has become women's rights and make certain that women will not get equal pay, will not have unlimited right to abortion, and will not be screaming **** all the time (especially if VP Palin has anything to say about it).  This will have the cumulative effect of sending more of these "feminists" out of the work force and back into their homes again.  For every man that has had to warm over a TV dinner in place of a real meal, this will be more than good news.

Yet another reason to vote McCain/Palin in November, especially if you're an under-appreciated white male, like many of us are. A vote for John McCain = Man is King of his Castle Again.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Lars Worthington III on November 03, 2008, 10:05:38 am
(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/writers/mike_fish/12/07/fish.1207/p1_mccain_all.jpg)

Don't Accept Obama's "Middle Class" Tax Class Cut!!!

This money would be put to better use in the hands of big corporations and CEOs who know best how to spend it!
Anything else (like this money going to you) is socialism!!
Don't buy into it. A strong corporate America = a well off America.


(http://healthcare.zdnet.com/images/john-mccain.jpg)

(http://www.getreligion.org/wp-content/photos/mccain0508.jpg)


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Krista Davenport on November 03, 2008, 01:09:06 pm
Mailbag: Replacing Stolen Signs In New Mexico
The Huffington Post   |   November 3, 2008 01:12 PM


After Obama signs were taken down in Placitas, New Mexico, Gary Priester, a graphic designer, and a neighbor, went to work putting them back up.

People went down the main highway through Placitas, New Mexico where I live and removed the Obama signs. I had a neighbor who has a large format printer print some signs which I put in place of the missing signs that read OBAMA SIGN REMOVED BY REPUBLICANS - (OBAMA LOGO) YOU CAN STEAL OUR SIGNS - BUT YOU WON'T STEAL THE ELECTION.

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/46986/original.jpg)


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Volitzer on November 03, 2008, 01:55:08 pm
Allright when you guys are getting government agents visiting you and possibly taking you to FEMA Camps just remember that your Obamassiah ushered it all in.

 ::)


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Vernon Guilley on November 03, 2008, 02:18:44 pm
That's why y'all need to vote for Johnny-Mac, Volitzer.  Plus, his VP Sarah Palin is a moosehunter.  You can't go wrong by picking a gal who does that.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Lawrence Fragg on November 03, 2008, 03:24:52 pm
The voters will come back to is.  We Republicans are the ruling class.  Some are meant to lead and some are born followers.  As Republicans, it is our birthright to rule.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Keith Ranville on November 03, 2008, 03:46:41 pm
Mailbag: Replacing Stolen Signs In New Mexico
The Huffington Post   |   November 3, 2008 01:12 PM


After Obama signs were taken down in Placitas, New Mexico, Gary Priester, a graphic designer, and a neighbor, went to work putting them back up.

People went down the main highway through Placitas, New Mexico where I live and removed the Obama signs. I had a neighbor who has a large format printer print some signs which I put in place of the missing signs that read OBAMA SIGN REMOVED BY REPUBLICANS - (OBAMA LOGO) YOU CAN STEAL OUR SIGNS - BUT YOU WON'T STEAL THE ELECTION.

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/46986/original.jpg)


Obama Is sure to win, its funny how the rest of the world besides America' polls Obama to win in a land slide, and USA are in some kind of dead lock amongst themselves? The businesses that make over 250 K I think wont mind a 90's Clinton hike, if it will fill the pockets of the consumer. Businesses can't thrive without a booming economy instead we got a homeless economy that can't even afford a plumer because they can't even pay there mortgages?       


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Joanna on November 03, 2008, 04:26:49 pm
I don't think it's deadlocked here, Keith, but you never know, we have a corrupt election system and the Dems should have won back in 2000 and 2004. I think the turnout is going to be so huge this time that it will be impossible, then we can finally change things, for the better!


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Keith Ranville on November 03, 2008, 08:58:08 pm
I don't think it's deadlocked here, Keith, but you never know, we have a corrupt election system and the Dems should have won back in 2000 and 2004. I think the turnout is going to be so huge this time that it will be impossible, then we can finally change things, for the better!

Hi Joanna

I mean't more like America is somewhat semi divided do to this election? It is really sad to hear about Obama's Grandmother, I can almost feel what he is going through. It is admirable of Obama to continue stumpming and to keep on addressing this country, while him going through such a untimely tough time. Something that would be hard for anyone to do under his circumstances, he earned my respect!

 


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Volitzer on November 03, 2008, 11:52:59 pm
Yeah Obama is not a natural born citizen, once this gets full blown press McCain will be handed the election anyway.

So good luck Democrats and liberals.

 :P


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Power of One on November 04, 2008, 02:52:50 am
Of course he is a natural born citizen. You conspiracy fools can't even make up your minds which other country he was supposed to be born in other than America - sometimes it's Kenya, sometimes it's Malaysia. I suppose if one of the Obama haters said he was born on the moon, you morons would say he was born there next, too.

Go hide in the woods and go back to hording your guns and supplies, while you wait for the next war to begin, morons.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Anti-Imperialist on November 04, 2008, 03:08:04 am
I used to go to those conspiracy websites.  They are more interested in fabricating evemore lurid theories, as opposed to a search for the truth! Sure, the government sucks, but their rhetoric lies in complete fantasy.  A couple of weeks ago, the neo-nuts fabricated the idea that Obama was headed back to Hawaii to destroy his real birth certificate, even though he went back to visit his dying aunt. 

This disregards the fact that the birth certificate isn't even in Hawaii, it's in Chicago.  Also, the grandma he went to visit then died last night. Have the conspiracy theorists ever admitted they were wrong or apologized for it  Nope!  They just keep shovelling on the paranoia.  ::)


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Luke Hodiak on November 04, 2008, 11:34:54 am
Today, we are going to see if all the hard work, the phone calls and the get out the vote effort pays off.  We'll know in a few hours... :)


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Luke Hodiak on November 04, 2008, 11:35:52 am
One million people are supposed to be at the Obama rally tonight, by the way, the biggest crowd for a political event ever.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Keith Ranville on November 04, 2008, 03:56:57 pm
Of course he is a natural born citizen. You conspiracy fools can't even make up your minds which other country he was supposed to be born in other than America - sometimes it's Kenya, sometimes it's Malaysia. I suppose if one of the Obama haters said he was born on the moon, you morons would say he was born there next, too.

Go hide in the woods and go back to hording your guns and supplies, while you wait for the next war to begin, morons.

I think these "rain man" continuing robo post, or anti-democrats haters are part of a crowd that just don't get it!  I can't wait till the election is over so everyone can get a break from these conspiracy anti everything kooks? I think normal people have election fatigue by now, all this McCain constant finger pointing nonsense, propaganda; really takes a toll on anyone with common sense. :-\

I also think if McCain didn't childishly repetitively mention Obama's name every sentence, this election would be much more tighter? It seems like every other day John McCain/Palin was ranting about something' so, so-what' to the American people. Meanwhile the American economy is in such bad shape on top of everything, the McCain/Palin circus were (are) acting like there in some elementary school yard playing "I am the king of the castle"!   

Maybe John McCain can run for president of SNL! with his side kick Sarah Palin as VP, they are more comical than the SNL cast.  ;D 



     
 


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Penny on November 04, 2008, 04:33:16 pm
The first polls close in less than an hour! Looks good, don't pay attention to the exit polls, they are inaccurate and read wrong so blow them off when they get on TV.

States to watch among the first:

Indiana
Virgina
Florida
Ohio

If Obama wins any of these (which Bush won in 2004), it is almost game over for McCain. McCain can actually sweep all the toss-up states and still lose, he is that far behind in the blue states.  Even winning Pennsylvania would not do it for McCain (which he won't do).

We could be witnessing history tonight, so savor it. This is one time where the good guys actually might win one.  :)


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Aristotle on November 04, 2008, 10:29:06 pm
I hope that the Obama Administration is a successful one and that it restores America back to it's former greatness again.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Qoais on November 05, 2008, 12:12:56 am
Congratulations Barack Obama!!!!!


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Volitzer on November 05, 2008, 01:37:28 pm
 :(  Hello New World Order !!!


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Proteus on November 05, 2008, 05:10:39 pm
For the first time in eight years, the better man won.  And I'll bet all the trolls at AR are having quite a bit upset over there.  A more obnoxious group of conservative straphammers you will never find.

I remember how pissed we were at all Bush's many failures, knowing that Al Gore would never have made such mistakes.

Now the responsibilities of the world are not just his, but ours.    Unlike the conservatives, though, we will not fail.


Title: Re: Vote in Our Online Presidential Election
Post by: Psycho on November 05, 2008, 05:43:24 pm
Congratulations to President Barack Obama!!! 

Gee, what will we do without having a President who is the laughingstock of the world?  Guess we'll just have to manage.   ;)