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Title: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 07:35:37 am



by Murry Hope

                             C O L O N I E S,   M I S S I O N S   A N D   S A F E   H A V E N S

                              "I have come from the house of the Leonine One,
                               I left there for the house of Isis,
                               I saw her hidden mysteries in that she let me see the birth of the

                               Great God."   

                                                                   ANCIENT EGYPTIAN COFFIN TEXT

Prior to the disappearance of their island, the Atlanteans are believed to have established
colonies both east and west of the motherland and it is to the myths, legends and ancient
practices of these places that we must now turn for further information concerning the
"visitors from afar" who arrived on their shores.

However, care should be taken to distinguish between those major centres of Atlantean
religion, learning and commerce that were well established prior to the cataclysm and the
lesser known shores that provided a haven for Atlantean survivors fleeing the approaching

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 07:50:59 am


                                                                E G Y P T

Several places have been suggested by scholars as possible Atlantean colonies based
on similarities in myths and customs.

The best known of all of these colonies is believed to be Egypt, whose history can be
traced back many thousands of years.  There are, however, conflicting reports and
wide divergence of opinion regarding early civilization in pre-dynastic Egypt that need
to be aired and analysed.

According to Cyril Aldred, during late Palaeolithic times the retreating ice-cap affected
the climate of North Africa, causing it to become progressively drier.  In Egypt the early
pre-dynastic period, calculated from around 5000BC to 3600BC, encompasses the Neo-
lithic and Chalcolithic periods.

The Middle and Late pre-dynastic period is reckoned as 3600BC to 3200BC, after which
we enter the realms of history.

From archaeololgical finds, we know that during the Amratian period there was an influx
of broad-headed (brachycephalic) peoples, the indigenous population of Hamites belong-
ing to the long-headed (dolichocephalic) type.  All the evidence points to the fact that
this spread of foreign influence in the fourth millennium BC came from the north.

Spanuth agrees with this, asserting that in the Egypt of 8000-9000BC there was no
Egyptian state, no temples with inscriptions and no papyrus texts.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 07:58:48 am

EGYPT                                                                                                      continued

The Nile Valley was uninhabited (the first few remains in the area date from the
fifth to sixth millennia BC and were found on the nearby heights) while the
Libyans make their first appearance in the records of Merneptah around 1227BC.

In Greece there was no Athenian armies.  Nor had the Bronze Age made its
appearance in weaponry or artefacts.  And yet all these things are mentioned by
Plato, and confirmed by other sources, so what is the answer?

According to Herodotus, who received his information from the Egyptian priests,
their written history dated back 11,340 years before his era, or nearly 14,000
years prior to the present.  A degree of support for this can be found in Ignatius
Donnelly's quotation of other source.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 08:10:22 am

EGYPT                                                                                                 continued

"At the epoch of Menes," says Winchell, "the Egyptians were already
a civilized and numerous people.  Manetho tells us that Athotis, the
son of this first king, Menes, built the palace at Memphis; that he
was a physician, and left anatomical books.  All these statements
imply that even at this early period the Egyptians were in a high
state of civilization."  (Winchell's PREADAMITES, p.120.)  "In the time
of Menes the Egyptians had long been architects, sculptors, painters,
mythologists, and theologians."  Professor Richard Owen says:
"Egypt is recorded to have been a civilized and governed community
BEFORE the time of Menes.  The pastoral community of a group of
nomad families, as portrayed in the Pentateuch, may be admitted as
an early step in civilization.  But how far in advance of this stage is a
nation administered by a kingly government, consisting of grades of
society, with divisions of labor, of which one kind, assigned to the
priesthood, was to record or chronicle the names and dynasties of
the kings, the duration and chief events of their reigns!"  Ernest
Renan points out that "Egypt at the beginning appears mature, old,
and entirely without mythical and heroic ages, as if the country had
never known youth.  Its civilization has no infancy, and its art no
archaic period.  The civilization of the Old Monarchy did not appear
with infancy.  It was already mature."

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 11:36:25 am

The Alsatian philosopher R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz assembled a great deal
of Egyptian material over a period of ten years, following a sojourn of
fifteen years at Luxor (1936-51).

His stepdaughter, Lucie Lamy, made detailed measurements and drawings
of the stones and statuary of the great temple at Luxor that showed that
the ancient Egyptians possessed a hitherto unsuspected knowledge of
mathematics and cosmic form, which she later incorporated into her book

Schwaller de Lubicz himself was the author of several published works,
notably LE TEMPLE DE L'HOMME, which also deals with the more esoteric
aspects of early Egyptian culture.

The ancient Egyptians possessed a solar, lunar and Sothic calendar.
In fact, Sothis, the binary star we know as Sirius,featured strongly in their
earliest history. 

It is my fervent belief that the Egyptians derived this information from the
Atlantean priests, which goes to confirm the standard of knowledge that
the scientific community of the Old Country had attained.

Schwaller de Lubicz tells us:

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 11:50:01 am

EGYPT                                                                                          continued

"The Sothic cycle is established on the coincidence every 1460
years of the VAGUE YEAR of 365 days with the SOTHIC (OR SIRIAN) year of
3651/4 days.  All civil acts were dated according to the vague year,
composed of exactly 360 days plus the five epagomenal days
consecrated to the NETERS: Osiris, Isis, Seth, Nephthys and Horus.

The Sirian, or FIXED YEAR, was established according to the heliacal
rising of Sirius, yet the interval between two heliacal risings of
Sirius corresponds neither to the tropical year, which is shorter, nor


Calculations established by astronomers have demonstrated that
between 4231 and 2231 BC, the approximate duration of the reign
of the Bull, HAP, the Sirian year was almost identical to our Julian
year of 365 1/4 days.  This period would cover the entire Ancient
Empire, "and we cannot but admire the greatness of a science capable
of discovering such a coincidence because SIRIUS IS THE ONLY STAR AMONG
THE "FIXED STARS" WHICH ALLOWS THIS CYCLE.  It can, therefore, be supposed
that Sirius plays the role of a center for the circuit of our entire solar

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 12:00:50 pm

EGYPT                                                                                         continued

Enter another character in the DRAMATIS PERSONAE of the
Atlantis drama, and it is ancient Egypt we have to thank for
the preservation of this knowledge.  Sirius was known as the
GREAT PROVIDER and, as such, was constantly evoked in
pyramid texts:

"Isis comes to thee [Osiris], joyous in thy love;

Your seed rises in her, penetrating [spd.t]* like Sirius [spd.t]*.

The penetrating [spd] Horus comes forth from thee in his
         name of Horus-who-is-in-Sirius.

*[spd. and spd.t] represent the Egyptian hieroglyphics for Sothis
(Sirius), the 't' indicating the feminine gender.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Tom Hebert on May 09, 2007, 12:06:36 pm
On a number of occasions Cayce suggested that the Pyrenees were a place of refuge for the Atlanteans.  This makes sense to me, since the mountains would have offered the protection of a higher elevation close to the Atlantic.  Also there's the mystery of the Basque people.  Where did they come from?

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 12:13:34 pm

EGYPT                                                                                         continued

Although a history is claimed for Egypt that dates back to 36,620 BC,
the Pharaonic calendar is established as being introduced only in 4240BC.

The five epagomenal days are related to the birth of the five Neter and,
since the whole arrangement revolves around Sirius, the only star to
return periodically every 365 1/4 days, does this imply that whichever
energies were responsible for the loss of the Atlantean civilization
were orchestrated from Sirius?

Should this prove to be the case, it would be reasonable to inquire as
to whether the five Neters were, as Donnelly and others suggest,
Atlantean leaders, priests/priestesses or leading personalities on the
Atlantean political scene, or were they from somewhere else?

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 12:25:53 pm

EGYPT                                                                                         continued

When I wrote my epic poem THE STORY OF ISIS AND OSIRIS, I referred
to the Egyptian god Ra as relating to the Sothism system and not to our
own Sun, the latter being represented by Ra's legendary "eye".

It was not until I encountered the following statement and other aspects
of Schwaller de Lubicz's work, that many of my own "memories" began to
fall into place.

"It took our own discoveries in atomism and astronomy to suggest yet
another characteristic of Sirius which coincides with what we are be-
ginning to know about the atomic nucleus, made up of a positron ( a
giant star of very weak density) accompanying a neutron whose volume
is exceedingly small in relation to the atom, but where all its weight is
concentrated  (a dwarf star of incredible density)........

The double star of Sirius - which for Pharaonic Egypt played the role
of a central sun to our entire solar system - today suggests the ex-
istence of a cosmic system of atomic structure whose NUCLEUS is
this "Great Provider", the Sothis [spd.t] of the ancients.

There might well be a need to revise our cosmology in the
not-so-distant future."

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 12:43:47 pm

EGYPT                                                                                        continued

Details of my studies of Sirius, from an astronomical viewpoint, is to
be found in my books THE LION PEOPLE and ANCIENT EGYPT-THE

The fact that the whole historical period of Pharaonic Egypt the
heliacal rising of Sirius, which marked the New year's Day, always
took place when the Sun was in the constellation of Leo confirms
my suspicion that the arrival of the first colonists from Atlantis
would have been connected with both the constellation of the LION
and the binary system of the fixed star Sirius (longitude 13Deg.
34' of Cancer).

Schwaller de Lubicz also sees Sirius as having some bearing on the
climate of our planet and comments on the fact that climatological
variations, if only a few degrees, can affect all life on Earth.

A drop in temperature drives peoples towards other, less hostile
zones, while higher temperatures witness the birth of new plant and
animal life.

Some of the principal movements within our solar system are well
known, others not so and, since climatological modifications appear
to obey sidereal variations, he sees Sirius as being responsible for
both our climate and that of the entire solar system.

It may be deduced from a study of the Sothian calendar that the
Precession of Equinoxes, the discovery of which was hitherto attri-
buted to Hipparchus in 134BD, was known to the ancient Egyptians
(and Atlanteans), the heliacal rising of Sirius being associated with
the beginning of the Nile's flooding and the birth of Ra in the Zodiacal
sign of Leo. 

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 01:22:38 pm

EGYPT                                                                                              continued

Schwaller de Lubicz tells us:

"Yet it was always NUN, the primordial, indeterminate state (or
ocean) which receives the characteristic impulse of the celestial
influence, and this impulse varies according to the Precessional

Thus it is that Pharaonic prehistory was dominated by The Twins
SHU and TEFNUT, whose nature consists in separating Heaven from
Earth.  This has been interpreted as representing the two crowns of
the Empire, as yet dualized.  At that time there existed the kingdom
of the South with its double capital, NEKHEN and NEKHEB, and the
kingdom of the North with its dual capital, DEP and PE.  The
vestiges of this period show a pronounced double character and it is
certainly at this time that the Heliopolitan mystery of primordial
dualization was revealed.

At Memphis, under the Ancient Empire, there was the
domination of Hap, the Bull, who precipitated celestial fire into
terrestrial form.  The Bull, the great NETER of the historical period
extending from 4380 to 2200BC, commands the Cretan civilization
as well.

From the Middle Empire to the beginning of the Christian era,
we see the domination of Amon the Ram.  It is in Thebes, under the
predominance of Amon, that the generating fire is "extracted", so to
speak, from its terrestrial gangue-matrix, Khonsu, by the grace of
Djehuti (Thoth), master of Hermopolis.

NUN is invariable, while the receptive milieux, or environments,
are generative, and hence feminine.  They are successively: NUT in
Heliopolis, SEKHMET-HATHOR in Memphis and then MUT in Thebes.

What was elaborated at Heliopolis was Shu and Tefnut as
creation; in Memphis it becomes Nefertum, issue of the couple
Ptah-Sekhmet, while at Thebes, the product of Amon and Mut is

But succession means generation and not juxtaposition, although
the philosophical legend must situate the principles as if coexisting
personages were involved.

Finally, toward the year 60 BC, with the end of the political
empire of Egypt under Cleopatra, our Christian era of Pisces begins."

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 02:29:26 pm

EGYPT                                                                                                continued

The prevailing ethos colours the overshadowing influences, each respective
culture moulding the Neters, or gods and goddesses, accordint to its own
needs of image and likeness.

Schwaller de Lubicz's researchers coincide with, and give credence to, the
eighteenth-century scholar Bacstrom's estimate that the EMERALD TABLES
were written CIRCA 2500bc, falling somewhere between the Memphian and
Middle Empires.

Plato's bull cults also assume a new reality in the light of later datings, which
show how either Solon or the Egyptian priests mixed up their historical facts
somewhere along the line.

One is inclined to suspect Solon, as the works of Schwaller de Lubicz and
Lucie Lamy tend to confirm that the Egyptians had retained the earlier
knowledge with some degree of accuracy.

A deeper look at the contents of the EMERALD TABLES gives us an even
clearer picture of the profundity of early Egyptian knowledge, both
esoteric and exoteric:

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 02:42:22 pm

EGYPT                                                                                              continued

"True it is, without falsehood, certain, and very real:

What is below is as that which is above, and what is above is as that
which is below, in order to perform the Miracle of one thing only.

And just as all things have been and have come forth from One, so
all things have been born of this sole-singular thing, by adaptation.

The Sun is its Father, the Moon is its Mother and the Wind has
carried it in its belly; the Earth is its nurse.  The Father of the entire
Teleme of the whole world is here.  Its force of puissance is entire if
it be converted into Earth.

Thou shalt separate the Earth from the Fire, the Subtile from the
Dense, gently, with great ingenuity.  It rises from the Earth to Heaven,
and again descends into Earth, and it receives the strength of things
above and below.  By this means thou shalt have the glory of all the
World, and through it, all obscurity will flee from thee.

Theis is the strong Strength of all strength, for it will vanquish any
subtile thing and penetrate any solid thing.

Thus has the world been created.

From this there shall be and there will come forth marvellous
adaptations, the means of which is here.

Therefore, I have been called Hermes Trismegistus, possessing the
three parts of the Philosophy of the entire world.

What I have said concerning the operation of the Sun is
accomplished and perfected."

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 02:51:11 pm

EGYPT                                                                                        continued

These words have both scientific and metaphysical connotations,
such as the idea of the oneness of the universe and the unity of
all matter, the mirror-like similarity between the quantum and
subatomic worlds and the greater univese, the waves that gene-
rate all substances, the mastery of atomic power, and the cycle
of learning through which all living creatures progress - the re-
finer's fire of experience - which ultimately leads us back along
the road to the One.

The Greek philosopher and scientist Democritus (c.460-370 BC)
expounded a theory that the universe is made up of minute
particles (atoms), multifariously arranged to account for the
differing properties of matter.

Moschus the Phoenician is believed to have communicated this
ancient knowledge to Democritus.  Moschus' atomic theory, how-
ever, was nearer the truth, in that it also accommodated the
concept of the divisibility of the atom.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 03:00:36 pm

EGYPT                                                                                        continued

In view of the Sirius connection, it is little wonder that Plato, who was
schooled in the strict discipline of Greek logic, was unable to comprehend
or effect an accurate account of events that were simply the play-out of
some extraterrrestrial or cosmic drama with much greater implications than
the deeds of humankind on Earth.

What else can we learn from prehistoric Egypt that might help us to place
the arrival of the Atlantean colonists?  Egyptian chronological tables that
take the records back many thousands of years have been found in the
course of excavation, but unfortunately there are too many inconsistencies
among them and, therefore, no tangible evidence for their accuracy.

Ther various sources, however, postulate a long period during which Egypt
was ruled by the Neters, or gods, followed by an equally long time when
it came under the rulership of theShemsu Hor, the Companions of Horus,
also translated as the Followers of Horus.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 03:16:33 pm

EGYPT                                                                         continued

Schwaller de Lubicz asserts the most valuable document concerning
the prehistory of Egypt is the ROYAL PAPYRUS OF TURIN, which gave
complete list of kings who reigned over Upper and Lower Egypt from
Menes to the New Empire, including the duration of each reign.

The first columns of the papyrus, however, were devoted to the pre-
historic period, which preceded Menes, and consisted of a list of ten
Neters (gods), each name inscribed in a cartouche preceded by the
bulrush and bee - the royal symbols of Upper and Lower Egypt - and
followed by the number of years of each reign.

Unfortunately, most of these numbers are missing.  It was followed by
a list of kings who reigned before Menes and the duration of each reign,
while the remaining fragments establish that nine dynasties were men-
tioned, among which, Schwaller de Lubicz tells us, were:

".........the (venerables) of Memphis, the venerables of the North, and
finally the SHEMSU-HOR, usually translated as the "Companions of
Horus."  Fortunately, the last two lines have survived almost intact,
as have indications regarding the number of years:

"....venerables Shemsu-Hor, 13,420 years

"Reigns up to Shemsu-Hor 23,200 years (total 36,620)
King Menes".

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 03:33:20 pm

EGYPT                                                                               continued

It could be speculated, of course, that the Neters were the original
Atlantean colonists, and the Shemsu Hor were the descendants of
matings between them and the indigenous populations. 

But one cannot help feeling that there are some ends here that are
not quite neatly tied, and I, for one, would like to have some further
evidence from a source other than psychism to set the Egyptian pre-
dynastic books in order.

As regards the chronology, with so little to go on, the tendency has
been for researchers to adjust the figures that are available from
various sources (some of which are highly suspect) to accommodate
their theories, which has resulted in a series of suggested dates for
the beginning of civilization in Egypt and the arrival of the first Atlan-
tean colonists on those shores, which range from 30,000 BC to
15,000 BC.

According to Herodotus, who was thus informed by one of his Egyptian
guides, "the sun had risen twice where it now set, and twice set where
it now rises", a passage that is seen by subsequent scholars as relating
to the Precessional Cycles.

This would place the foundation of Egypt at about 36,000 BC, in keeping
with the ROYAL PAPYRUS OF TURIN, which is, no doubt, guaranteed to
strain the credulity of many an establishment of orthodox learning.

However, according to an article in the NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC entitled
"The Search for Modern Humans", a carved body of a man - the world's
earliest known anthropomorphic fugure, which pushes back in time evi-
dence of human ability to create symbols - has been excavated at the
32,000-year-old level in a cave in Hohlenstein, West Germany.

Years later, museum officials were presented with a beautifully carved
ivory lion muzzle that had been found in the same cave: it fitted the
statuette perfectly.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 03:47:35 pm

The presence of shell fossils from the sea around the base of the
Great Pyramid has been seen by some researchers as evidence that
the structure has experienced one or more major inundations, al-
though sceptics will no doubt counter with the suggestion that the
shells were probably there when the pyramid was built.

Schwaller de Lubicz maintains that the erosion of the Sphinx was
due to the action of water, not of wind and sand.  Were this to be
confirmed,  (it was, recently - Bianca) however, the accepted chro-
nological history of civilization would be overthrown. 

As John Anthony West, a researcher into ancient knowledge and a
disciple of Schwaller de Lubicz, succintly points out:

"  In principle, there can be no objection to the water erosion of the
Sphinx, since it is agreed that in the past Egypt has suffered
radical climatic changes and periodic inundations - by the sea and
(in the not so remote past) by tremendous Nile floods.  The latter
are thought to correspond to the melting of the ice from the last
ice age.  Nile floods are believed to have taken place subsequent to
this date.  The last of these floods is dated around 10,000 BC.

It follows, therefore, that if the great Sphinx has been eroded by
water, it must have been constructed prior to the flood or floods
responsible for the erosion."

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 04:25:32 pm

EGYPT                                                                                     continued

Of course, Schwaller de Lubicz is by no means the first to believe that
the Sphinx predated the Flood and was probably constructed by the
Atlanteans centuries earlier. 

When Napoleon arrived in Egypt in the late eighteenth century, the
Sphinx was buried up to the neck in sand, while the temple adjacent
to it was invisible.

Its body, anyway, had therefore been protected for thousands of years.

In 1819 it was excavated by Cavaglia and again in 1853 by Mariette.
The ever-moving sands buried it again for Maspero to clear in 1888 and,
in 1916, it was reported in a fashionable guidebook as once again being

Periods when it was covered can be assessed from lack of references to
its existence in various periods of Egyptian history.

the time of Pharaoh Chephren (c.2700BC) onwards Egypt underwent a
period of political stability that lasted some four centuries.  It then entered
a period of chaos, a pattern that was repeated over many centuries and
seems to bear out the Chaos theory of the perpetual pendulum.

It has been suggested that, because the sculptors of Egypt were past
masters at producing the faces of Pharaohs exactly in all mediums, the
original face of the Sphinx might well have been exchanged for the like-
ness of Chephren, a deception that has continued to play its role down the
pages of history.

It may be that, in spite of suggestions made by Atlantologists and others
as to the symbology of the human face and in the light of the importance
of the sign of Leo to the priests and scholars of the earliest dynasty, and
the information concerning Sirius, the original face might well have been

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Qoais on May 09, 2007, 05:46:45 pm

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 08:00:55 pm

Thank you, Q. 

I'll get to that part of the world in this entry, too.  Unfortunately,

it's in the very last part of this chapter.

Love and Peace,

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 09, 2007, 08:27:57 pm

FROM                                                                                                       continued

ATLANTIS - Myth or Reality

by Murry Hope

                         C O L O N I E S, M I S S I O N S   A N D   S A F E   H A V E N S

                                                             G R E E C E

Certain passages in the unabridged versions of the TIMAEUS and CRITIAS have
caused some concern to scholars, because of the discrepancy between the dates
given by Plato and the generally accepted historical picture of prehistoric Athens.

In order to comment on this, we need to see what was actually said.

"Once upon a time the gods divided up the Earth between them - not in
the course of a quarrel; for it would be quite wrong to think that the
gods do not know what is appropriate to them, or that, knowing it,
they would want to annex what properly belongs to others.  Each gladly
received his just allocation, and settled his territories; and having done
so they proceeded to look after us, their creatures and children, as
shepherds look after their flocks.  They did not use physical means of
control, like shepherds who direct their flock with blows, but brought
their influence to bear on the creature's most sensitive part, using
persuasion as a steersman uses the helm to direct the mind as they saw fit
and so guide the whole mortal creature.  The various gods, then,
administered the various regions which had been allotted to them.  But
Hephaestos and Athene, who shared as brother and sister a common
character, and pursued the same ends in their love of knowledge and
skill, were allotted this land of ours as their joint sphere and as a suitable
and natural home for excellence and wisdom.  They produced a native
race of good men and gave them suitable political arrangements.

Their names have been preserved but what they did has been forgotten
because of the destruction of their successors and the long lapse of
time.  For as we said before, the survivors of this destruction were an
unlettered mountain race who had just heard the names of the rulers of
the land but knew little of their achievements.  They were glad enough
to give their names of their own children, but they knew nothing of
the virtues and institutions of their predecessors, except for a few hazy
reports; for many generations they and their children were short of
bare necessities, and their minds and thoughts were occupied with
providing for them, to the neglect of earlier history and tradition.  For
an interest in the past and historical research come only when
communities have leisure and when men are already provided with
the necessities of life.  That is how the names but not the achievements
of these early generation come to be preserved.  My evidence is this,
that Cecrops, Erectheus, Erichthonios, Erusichthon and most of the
other names recorded before Theseus, occurred, according to Solon,
in the narrative of the priests about this war; and the same is true of the
women's names.  What is more, as men and women in those days both
took part in military exercises, so the figure and image of the goddess,
following the custom, was in full armour, as a sign that whenever
animals are grouped into male and female it is natural for each sex to
be able to practise its appropriate excellence in the community."

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 10, 2007, 07:38:46 am

GREECE                                                                                         continued

Plato then proceeds to describe the life-style of the Athens of those
times; the temples, the original Acropolis and the communal life-style
of the people.  Men and women enjoyed equal status, gold and silver
was never used, and most classes of citizen were concerned with
manufacture and agriculture.

Only the military lived apart, in quarters where they were provided with
what was necessary for their maintenance and training.  The climate
then, he tells us, was different, and rich soil covered the plains and
the mountain sides abounded with thick woods.  There was an ade-
quate rainfall, which was absorbed by the soil, any excesses flowing
down to the fertile valleys to form rivers and springs.

The destruction of the original city of Athens by the sea is an ack-
nowledged historical fact, and is related in the myths as a battle
between Athene and Poseidon for the possession of Attica (the land
versus the sea).  However, as discussed previously, Plato's statement
that Athens was founded 9,000 years earlier tends to suggest that he
does not take the historical status of his account too seriously.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 10, 2007, 07:51:34 am

GREECE                                                                                                 continued

Among the names mentioned by Plato in this passage, one stands out -
Cecrops.  According to the OERA LINDA BOOK, Athens was founded by the
Frisian warrior princess Min-erva* (Greek:Athene, in whose honour the
Acropolis was built.  Min-erva, like the other Frisian people, was fair-
haired and blue-eyed, the physical attributes normally accorded to the
goddess Athene, who, like many Frisian women, bore arms alongside her

After the death o Min-erva, the local people of the Hellenes established
her as a goddess, an act that did not meet with the approval of their
Frisian colonizers, who were monotheists.  This resulted in the people of
the newly founded Athenian state accusing the Frisians of envy, because
Min-erva had bestowed such affection upon them.

The altercation that ensued was, however, resolved in the following

"Then, lo and behold!  an Egyptian high priest, bright of eye, clear of
brain, and enlightened of mind, whose name was Cecrops, came to
give them advice."

*The Romans adopted a goddess of this name from the Etruscans,
whom some believed also had Atlantean ancestors.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 10, 2007, 08:05:23 am

GREECE                                                                                              continued

"........Min-erva founded Athens, shortly after the Mycenae sacked Troy
(probably c.1250BC) and before the Dorians invaded from the north and
founded what has come to be known as historical Greece.  Therefore,
the people from the sunken land beyond the Pillars of Hercules must
have been the Frisians who founded Athens.

No doubt Egyptians - a branch of Finda's people - did flee across the
Mediterranean to proto-Greece when the Nile delta was flooded.

But stories of (a) the deluge and (b) the tall race of Frya's people who
colonized Greece, undoubtedly became muddled over the centuries.  The
OERA LINDA BOOK goes on to relate later how Cecrops, the son of a
Frisian girl by an Egyptian priest, brought wild Finda soldiers and drove the
Frisians from Athens."

May we, therefore, assume that Plato's "Atlanteans" who waged war on
the Athenians and were defeated were none other than the Frisians?  The
facts would certainly seem to fit.

The character of Cecrops also appears to have mythic associations.  The
Spanish psychologist J.E. Cirlot, commenting on the cult of the "hero", re-
fers to Cecrops as being "half man and half serpent", a legend which was,
no doubt, based on someone's assessment of his character, serpents
being associated with both cunning and wisdom.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 10, 2007, 08:13:59 am

GREECE                                                                                                continued

Plato's reference to Hephaestus and Athene as being the founders of
the ancient Athenian state calls for analysis.

If the account rendered by the OERA LINDA BOOK is correct, many of
the gods of ancient Greece were, as Donnelly contends, real people -
conquerors or colonizers from another land, but not necessarily, it would
seem, Atlantis.

As the Greek god-forms lend themselves so easily to identification with
major Jungian archtypes, we may look at it in another way: Hephaestus
was essentially a god of craftsmen, or divine artificer, and Athene a
warrior goddess whose preference really lay in the execution of arts and
crafts, such as weaving. 

Could the myth, therefore, be telling us that ancient Athens was founded
by people who were skilled smiths, artisans, weavers, agriculturalists and
so forth, whose skills stood out against the stark simplicity of a people
who were shepherds, goatherds and country folk?

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 10, 2007, 08:22:01 am

GREECE                                                                                        continued

While one does not see all the ancient Egyptian gods as having been
Atlantean settlers, one is inclined to think that there is some connect-
ion between the twelve Greek Olympians and the latter-day kings of

The characters of the Classical Pantheon are all too human to be

What probably happened is that the original Atlantean visitors to
those parts did not settle the country districts, but implanted the story
of their native land, with its lofty peaks and twelve rulers, upon the
folk of the coastal areas and it later became fused with the architypal
gods and indigenous deities of the region.

The demi-gods and heroes who came later were probably the des-
scendants of the children they begat with native women, being
described in the myths as fathered by a god on a mortal woman.

The Frisians, who came later and with whom the early Athenians did
battle, no doubt resembed the Atlanteans in appearance and skills,
being a tall, fair people who worked in bronze.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 10, 2007, 08:29:37 am

GREECE                                                                                           continued

The various tales of the exploits of Poseidon should not, therefore,
be attributed to the deeds of a single deity, but rather to those
enigmatic "Sea Peoples", be they Atlanteans or Frisians, who impo-
sed themselves upon the natives of Corinth, Aegina, Naxos, Delphi
and other Mediterranean locations.

Working on this assumption, Poseidon's famous "sea monsters" would
have been nothing more than the large and unfamiliar ships, probably
sporting animal figureheads or gargoyle-like decorations,

Likewise, Poseidon's association with the horse probably arose from the
fact that the Atlanteans were among the earliest people to domesticate
that animal and, as we shall see, many of the peoples who claim Atlan-
tean ancestry count equine skills among their accomplisments.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 10, 2007, 09:07:31 am


ATLANTIS - Myth or Reality?

Murry Hope

                          C O LO N I E S,  M I S S I O N S   A N D  S A F E   H A V E N S

                                                S U M E R I A / C H A L D E A

The Mesopotamian area was, until recent times, thought of as being the  Cradle
of Civilization and home of the biblical Adam and Eve.  The Chaldeans feature pro-
minently among the peoples of those parts who claimed to have received their in-
structions in such subjects as astronomy, metaphysics and ethics from a strange,
foreign source.

Berossus, a Babylonian priest of the thirteenth century BC, rendered the following
account of the early history of those parts:

"At first they led a somewhat wretched existence and lived without rule, after
the manner of beasts.

But, in the first year, appeared a monster endowned with human reason,
named Oannes, who rose from out of the Erythaean sea, at the point where
it borders Babylonia.

He had the whole body of a fish, but above his fish's head he had another
head which was that of a man, and human feet emerged from beneath his
fish's tail; he had a human voice, and his image is preserved to this day.

He passed the day in the midst of men without taking food; he taught them
the use of letters, sciences and arts of all kinds, and rules for the founding
of cities, and the construction of temples, the principles of land and surveying;
he showed them how to sow and reap; he gave them all that contributes
to the comforts of life. 

Since that time, nothing excellent has been invented."

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 10, 2007, 09:43:57 am

SUMERIA/CHALDEA                                                                          continued

The reference to a monster arising from the sea has often been taken
to suggest that Oannes emerged from a submarine.

One is inclined to be of the opinion that this band of civilizers - for there
must have been more than one person to accomplish all these things -
were conveyed to their destination by a vessel, the like of which was
totally unfamiliar to the natives.

Maybe a hovercraft?  The clothing they wore would have been of a pro-
tective nature and probably made of some kind of waterproof material,
while the fish motif would inicate that they were either mariners or tra-
velling in the aquatic mode. 

The fact that Oannes refrained from sharing the food enjoyed by the
natives suggests that he and his band obviously followed a strict, and
probably priestly, diet, supplies of which they kept on board their ship.

The allusion to "a day" is also misleading, and suggests a people who had
no concept of time, as it is known and allocated in civilized society.

Somehow, it is difficult to conceive of Oannes and his band of followers as
being Frisians or "Sea People" from the north, and one is therefore inclined
to view them as Atlanteans. 

The Astronomy they taught the Chaldeans was certainly highly advanced,
as may be seen in the Chaldean knowledge of the solar system and the
ninth planet in particular (excluding the Sun and Moon), the existence of
which is only just receiving credence from the scientific establishment.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 10, 2007, 09:56:19 am

SUMERIA/CHALDEA                                                                    continued

Initially, the biblical version of the Flood was not taken seriously out-
side the bastions of Hebraic and Christian fundamentalism.

Numerous legends and other archaeological finds in Mesopotamia
change that.  In 1872 scholar and Assyriologist George Smith, while
studying the ancient cuneiform texts from the library of King
Assurbanipal IV, unearthed in the ruins of Nineveh, found what is
referred to as the GILGAMESH EPIC.

This story of Gilgamesh, the legendary hero of the Chaldeans, whose
exploits featured so prominently in the Sumero-Babylonian mythology,
relates the event of the Flood and subsequent changes to the world.

Archaeologists investigating the ruins of Nippur at a later date, disco-
vered a more ancient Sumerian version of the Creation and Flood
Myths, which adds credence to the Biblical Texts, although one strongly
suspects that the latter was borrowed from the former.

There are two versions of the Deluge story, unequally developed, but
exhibiting a remarkable agreement.

The shorter of these was extracted by Berossus from the Sacred
Books of Babylon, and later introduced into the history he wrote for
the Greeks.

Nine kings are mentioned as having ruled over Sumeria and Mesopotamia,
prior the the Flood, then:

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 10, 2007, 10:57:55 am

SUMERIA/CHALDEA                                                                      continued

"Obartes Elbaratutu being dead, his son Xisuthros (Khasisatra)
reigned eighteen sares (64,800 years).  It was under him that the
Great Deluge took place, the history of which is told in the Sacred
Documents as follows: Cronos (Ea) appeared to him in his sleep, and
announced that on the fifteenth of the month of Daisios (the
Assyrian month Sivan - a little before the summer solstice) all men
should perish by a flood.  He therefore commanded him to take the
beginning, the middle, and the end of whatever was consigned to
writing, and to bury it in the City of the Sun, at Sippara; then to
build a vessel and to enter it with his family and dearest friends; to
place in this vessel provisions to eat and drink, and to cause animals,
birds and quadrupeds to enter it; lastly, to prepare everything for
navigation.  And when Xisuthros inquired in what direction he
should steer his bark, he was answered "toward the gods," and
enjoined to pray that good might come of it for men.

Xisuthros obeyed, and constructed a vessel five stadia long and
five broad; he collected all that had been prescribed to him and
embarked his wife, his children, and his intimate friends.

The Deluge having come, and soon going down, Xisuthros
loosed some of the birds.  These, finding no food nor place to alight
on, returned to the ship.  A few days later Xisuthros again let them
free, but they returned again to the vessel, their feet full of mud.
Finally, loosed the third time, the birds came no more back.  Then
Xisuthros understood that the earth was bare.  He made an opening
in the roof of the ship, and saw that it had grounded on the top of a
mountain.  He then descended with his wife, his daughter, and his
pilot, who worshipped the earth, raised an altar, and there sacrificed
to the gods; at the same moment he vanished with those who
accompanied him.

Meanwhile those who had remained in the vessel, not seeing
Xisuthros return, descended too, and began to seek him, calling him
by his name.  They saw Xisuthros no more; but a voice from heaven
was heard commanding them piety toward the gods; that he, indeed,
was receiving the reward of his piety in being carried away to dwell
thenceforth in the midst of the gods, and that his wife, his daughter,
and the pilot of the ship shared the same honor.  The voice futher
said that they were to return to Babylon, and, conformably to the
degrees of fate, disinter the witings buried at Sippara in order to
transmit them to men.  It added that the country in which they
found themselves was Armenia.  These, then, having heard the voice,
sacrificed to the gods and returned on foot to Babylon.  Of the
vessel of Xisuthros, which had finally landed in Armenia, a portion
is still to be found in the Gordyan Mountains in Armenia, and
pilgrims bring thence asphalte that they have scraped from its
fragments.  It is used to keep off the influence of witchcraft.  As to
the companions of Xisuthros, they came to Babylon, disinterred the
writings left at Sippara, founded numerous cities, built temples, and
restored Babylon"

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 10, 2007, 11:07:44 am

SUMERIA/CHALDEA                                                                        continued

One is tempted to think that Xisuthros and his crew met with an
accident shortly after alighting.  With so much mud and debris
around, it would have been easy to slip down a concealed crevice
or into some newly formed quagmire.

Flood legends the world over seem to agree on one point - that the
inundation was visited upon humanity because of its transgression
against the gods (misuse of cosmic laws or possibly the laws of

We cannot include all of these for comparisons, but suffice it to say
that the Sumero-Babylonian version is standard and, taken in context
with other data relating to the early days of that culture, does suggest
both an Atlantean influence in the founding of civilization in those parts
and a confirmation of the events that precipitated the Atlantean conte-
nents's final sinking.


Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 10, 2007, 08:03:29 pm

FROM                                                                                                     continued

ATLANTIS - Myth or Reality?

Murry Hope

                         C O L O N I E S,  M I S S I O N S   A N D   S A F E   H A V E N S

                                                       N O R T H   A M E R I C A

Legends of several tribes of North American Indians complement and confirm
similar tales from European and African sources.  Whether the Atlanteans
actually established colonies in the North American continent, however, is
open to debate.  Many researcers suggest that a colonization took place
further south, with those tribes of Indians who had come under Atlantean
influence making their way north after the cataclysm.

In a letter dated August 1683 the Quaker colonist William Penn gave this
graphic description of the Indians of Pennsylvania:

"The natives....are generally tall, straight, well built, and of singular
proportion; they tread strong and clever, and mostly walk with a
lofty chin...Their eye is little and black, not unlike a straight-
looked Jew....I have seen among them as comely European-like
faces of both sexes as on your side of the sea; and truly an Italian
complexion hath not much more of the white, and the noses of
several of them have as much of the Roman....For their original,
I am ready to believe them to be of the Jewish race - I mean of the
stock of the ten tribes - and that for the following reasons:....I
find them to be of the like countenance, and their children of so
lively a resemblance that a man would think himself in Duke's
Place or Berry Street in London when he seeth them.  But this is not
all: they agree in rites, they reckon by moons, they offer their first-
fruits, they have a kind of feast of tabernacles, they are said to lay
their altars upon twelve stones, their mourning a year, customs of
women, with many other things that do not now occur."

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 10, 2007, 09:38:01 pm

NORTH AMERICA                                                                                    continued

 The Mandan Indians, of whose tribe there seem to be few, if any sur-
vivors, are considered by some authorities as being likely candidates
for Atlantean ancestry.  Not only did the history of this tribe contain
a detailed Flood legend but, until the last century, its peoples had also
preserved an image of an ark-like vessel, around which was performed
a religious ceremony that clearly referred to the destruction of Atlantis.

Many of the Mandans were white people with hazel, grey or blue eyes,
and hair varying from dark-brown to ash-blond.  The Mandans lived in
fortified towns and manufactured earthenware pots, which they used
for boiling water - a custom unique to their tribe.

Ignatius Donnelly quotes the following report of a Mandan ceremony,
written by George Catlin, who visited the Mandans in the mid-nine-
teenth century.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 10, 2007, 10:04:42 pm

NORTH AMERICA                                                                              continued

"In the centre of the village is an open space, or public square, 150
feet [46 metres] in diameter and circular in form, which is used for
all public games and festivals, shows and exhibitions.  The lodges
around this open space front in, with their doors towards the centre;
and in the middle of this stands an object of great religious
veneration, on account of the importance it has in connection with
the annual religious ceremonies.  This object is in the form of a large
hogshead, some eight or ten feet [2 1/2 or 3 metres] high, made of
planks and hoops, containing within it some of their choicest
mysteries or medicines.  They call it the Big Canoe.......

On the day set apart for the commencement of the ceremonies a
solitary figure is seen approaching the village.

During the deafening din and confusion within the pickets of the
village, the figure discovered on the prairie continued to approach
with a dignified step, and in a right line toward the village, all eyes
were upon him, and he at legth made his appearance within the
pickets, and proceeded toward the centre of the village where all
the chiefs and braves stood ready to receive him, which they did
in a cordial manner by shaking hands, recognizing him as an old
acquaintance, and pronouncing his name, Nu-mohk-muck-a-nah
(the first or only man).  The body of this strange personage, which
was chiefly naked, was painted with white clay, so as to resemble
at a distance a WHITE MAN.  He enters the medicine lodge, and
goes through certain mysterious ceremonies.

During the whole of this day Nu-mohk-muck-a-nah (the first or
only man) travelled through the village, stopping in front of each
man's lodge, and crying until the owner of the lodge came out and
asked who he was, and what was the matter?  To which he replied
MITY; that he landed his big canoe on a high mountain in the west,
where he now resides; that he has come to open the medicine lodge
which must needs receive a present of an edged tool from the owner
of every wigwam, that it may be sacrificed to the water; "For", he says,
"if this is not done, there will be another flood, and no one will be
saved, as it was with such tools that the big canoe was made"

Having visited every lodge in the village during the day, and having
received such a present from each as a hatchet, a knife, etc, he
places them in the medicine lodge; and, on the last day of the
ceremony, they are thrown into a deep place in the river -
"sacrificed to the Spirit of the Waters"

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 10, 2007, 10:15:21 pm

NORTH AMERICA                                                                       continued

Catlin then described how twelve men danced around the ark, having
arranged themselves according to the four cardinal points, and coloured
themselves black, red or white.  The dance they executed was called
Bel-lohck-na-pie, and the horned headdresses they wore reminded Cat-
lin of those used in Europe as symbolical of Bel, or Baal.

From the aforegoing, one might suppose that a single man or group of
men escaped the Flood and fled to those parts, but other Mandan tribal
legends related by Donnelly prompts one to think that the Mandans, and
several other tribes of Indians, originally lived along the eastern seaboard
of America on a series of islands that ultimately sank during the great
cataclysm, but were previously only a short journey by sea from the
Atlantean mainland.

Atlantean traders calling in those parts would account for the introduct-
ion of new blood groups and colourings.  What their ceremonies do pro-
vide us with, however, is verification of the Flood and the loss of a
large land to the east of the American continent where their ancestors
lived in "cities with inextinguishable lights" - Atlantis

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 11, 2007, 04:42:05 pm

NORTH AMERICA                                                                        continued

Several people maintain that Atlantis was at one time joined to the
American continent and, interestingly, confirmation for this is to be
found in the legends of the Okanagaus, which tell of a time when the
Sun was no biger than a star, and the land was ruled by a strong
medicinewoman (matriarchal system?).  Much to her chagrin, however,
her subjects fell out among themselves and created a noisy war, which
angered her so much that she broke off the piece of land upon which
they dwert and pushed it out to sea to drift whither it would.

It was later afflicted by some giant catastrophe from which only a man
and a woman escaped in a canoe and arrived on the mainland, and it is
from these two survivors that the whole Okanagaus tribe was descend-

In spite of the wealth of Flood legends that are to be found among
American Indians, it is hard to conceive of an actual Atlantean colony
in those parts.  Trade, perhaps, and a degree of intermarriage, but no-
thing on the scale of Egypt or even South and Central America.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 12, 2007, 03:06:29 pm

NORTH AMERICA                                                                                     continued

The discoveries in Bimini in the 1960s have caused quite a stir, especially
as they coincided with a time given for the finding of Atlantis by the
American seer Edgar Cayce. 

The entire area of the Bahama Banks is believed to have been above sea-
level during the last glaciation, but disappeared beneath the waters when
the sea-level rose, following the melting of the ice.

Dr. Manson Valentine, a palaeontologist, geologist and underwater archaeo-
logist of Miami, who had been studying the underwater Bahama Banks for
some twenty-five years, became convinced that this area held the clues
to a civilization that existed before the Flood.

Investigating the area between Orange Key and Bimini off the Florida coast,
he discovered a series of giant rectangles along the sea bottom connected
by straight lines.

In fact, the ocean bed in that area abounded with architectural patterns
that could not be attributed to nature.

It was in 1968 that Valentine first saw the enormous stones that were ob-
viously the remnants of a man-made causeway.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 12, 2007, 03:14:38 pm

NORTH AMERICA                                                                                  continued

In an inteview with Charles Berlitz, Valentine explained:

"Many of the stones are of flint-hard micrite, unlike soft beach rock.

The lines of closely fitted stones are straight, mutually parallel, and
terminate in cornerstones. 

The stone avenue does not follow the curving beach rock-line, which
follows the shape of the island, but is straight.

The long avenue contains enormous flat stones propped up at their
corners by pillar stones, like the dolmens of the coast of Western

Perfect rectangles, right angles, and rectilinear configurations are
unaccountable in a natural formation.  One end of the complex
swings into a beautifully curved corner before vanishing under the

No one has yet dug underneath it, so we don't know how far down
the stones go."

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 12, 2007, 04:22:23 pm

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Valentine believed the causeway was a ceremonial road leading to a
special site, and that further investigation might well uncover buildings,
but feared that more orthodox archaeologists might fight shy of such
research in case it upset their anticataclysmic opinions.

During the course of a later expedition, a grooved building block was
brought up, together with a stylized head believed to be that of a giant
feline and weighing between 200 and 300 pounds (90 and 136 Kilograms).

All in all, there seems little doubt that a prehistoric civilization specializ-
ing in monolithic building occupied those lands prior to their submergence,
but whether these people were Plato's Atlanteans, or pre-Atlantean
Lemurians/Muans, is still open to conjecture.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 12, 2007, 04:37:48 pm

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ATLANTIS - Myth or Reality?

Murry Hope

                                   C E N T R A L   A N D   S O U T H   A M E R I C A

The character of Atlas is to be found among the Chibchas of Bogota'.  Bochica,
their leading divinity in ancient times, spent many years elevating his subjects.

He dwelt in the Sun, while his wife occupied the Moon.  A lesser divinity in the
Chibchas pantheon named Chbchacum, in a fit of pique, brought a Deluge on the
people of the tableland, for which act he was severely punished by Bochica, who
obliged him to bear the burden of the Earth upon his back.

When he occasionally shifts the burden from one shoulder to the other for com-
fort, earthquakes are caused.

When answering the prayers of the people to quell the Deluge, Bochica appeared
seated on a rainbow.

According to Braghine, the last representatives of a strange white-skinned Indian
tribe are still to be found in Venezuela.

"They are called Paria, and some years ago inhabited a village called Atlan, in the
virgin forests between Apure and Orinoco, but are now almost extinct. 

They possessed traditions of a certain catastrophe which destroyed their father-
land, a large island in the ocean inhabited by a prosperous and "wonderful" race.

Their descendants lived for a long time among the Venezuelan Indians as a sepa-
rate tribe."         

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 12, 2007, 04:53:29 pm

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The Toltecs claimed to have originated in a land called Azlan or Atlan;
the original home of the Nahautlacas was Aztlan; the Aztecs also tell
of their ancestors from Aztlan.

According to the POPUL VUH, after their migration from Aztlan the three
sons of the king of the Quiches, upon the death of their father, "........
determined to go as their fathers had ordered to the East, on the shores
of the sea whence their fathers had come, to receive the royalty, "bid-
ding adieu to their brothers and friends and promising to return."

The information gleaned from blood samples taken from Inca mummies
tends to suggest that the royal families, anyway, hailed from the "Old
Country", and the lands over which they ruled could certainly be classed
as Atlantean colonies of the first order.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 12, 2007, 05:03:11 pm

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Donnelly saw the Atlantean colonies of Central and South America
as stretching from the shores of Mexico to the peninsula of Yuca-
tan, from Brazil to the heights of Bolivia and Peru, and from the Gulf
of Mexico to the headwaters of the Mississippi River. 

Perhaps he was right, but one is inclined to see some of the ancient
peoples of those parts as more Lemurian or Muan than Atlantean,
which would suggest that their coastal lands were inundated in earl-
ier times, when the Atlantean island originally separated from the
American mainland.

Lewis Spence conceived of Atlantis as originally being a much larger
land mass than Plato described, which split into two sections, the
second of which he named Antillia.

Assuming Wegener to be correct, this was possibly true and, as
Spence places Antillia closer to the American coastline than Plato's
location for Atlantis, it would accomodate many of the aforemention-
ed legends of the Americas, and the Mandan, Yucatan and Bimini

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 12, 2007, 05:14:12 pm

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Spence assumes Antillia to have encompassed the region of the West
Indies.  Regarding timing, he tells us:

"...........that these two island continents and the connecting chain of
islands persisted until late Pleistocene times, at which epoch (about
25,000 years ago, or the beginning of the post-glacial epoch) Atlantis
seems to have experienced further disintegration.  Final disaster appears
to have overtaken Atlantis about 10,000 BC.  Antillia, on the other hand,
seems to have survived until a much more recent period, and still per-
sists fragmentally in the Antillean group or West India Islands."

As may be gathered from earlier comments, not everyone agrees with
Spence on this issue.  One tends to see Plato's Atlantis as being the
later survivor and the Antillian fragments as relating to an earlier cata-
clysm that left a series of islands stretching into the Atlantic between
the American coastline and the Atlantean mainland.

American Indian and South and Central American legends tend to support
this theory.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 13, 2007, 02:41:09 pm

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ATLANTIS: Myth or Reality?

Murry Hope

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A possible Atlantean connection with the Berbers of North Africa has already
been shown in their myths.  Bob Quinn emphasizes that part of their home
territory is a range of mountains known as the Atlas, while Ouzzin, a modern
Berber scholar, discovered an old Sumerian legend of a drowned civilization
that contained names that were familiar to him and his own culture.

The legend told of a princess called Tangis, who gave her name to the city
of Tangier, who was overtaken by a storm at sea and drowned. 

Her grieving husband instituted a search for her, which involved attacking an
island called Atlantis by means of an underground cavern. 

So strong was his attack that it precipitated an earthquake which caused the
whole island to disappear. 

The husband later became a hermit and spent his time sitting on a rock looking
out to sea until the spirit of Tangis finally called him to join her.

Quinn was particularly intrigued by the name of the husband - Lugal - which is
ever-present in Celtic mythology. 

The Irish Sun-God-Hero was called Lugh, his Welsh equivalent being Llew.

He gave his name to the major Celtic feast of Lughnasa or Luguasad, which was
celebrated on 1 August.  The cities Leyde, Lyons (Lug-dunum), London and, in
London, Ludgate Circus are among the places reputedly named after him.

The Canary Islands are believed to form part of a land complex that was origi-
nally attached to the African continent, as it is still connected to Africa's con-
tinental shelf.

This led Spence and others to believe that Atlantis might have been considera-
bly closer to Africa than Plato suggested, but I am inclined to the view that,
although the western coast of Africa did, no doubt, extend much further into
the ocean and encopass many smaller islands, it was not connected to the
Atlantean mainland.

The evidence suggests that Atlantean culture and learning probably found its
way into central and even north-west Africa, via Egypt and the trade routes
from the north-eastern regions.

Where else could tribes such as the Dogon of Mali, the Bambara and the Bozo
have gained their detailed knowledge of the Sirius systen?

Mooney insists that there was little trace of occupation in Africa south of the
present Sahara, until less than 10,000 years  ago, which he sees as being the
period FOLLOWING the catastrophe.

However, this is hardly as compatible with the currently favoured "Black Eve"
hypothesis, which views Africa as the ancient motherland of HOMO SAPIENS,
nor with the legends and history of the Bushmen and other tribes of the south.

Either way, howevcer, the peoples of that continent, wherever they lived, do
not appear to have been exposed to the Atlantean influence until just prior to,
or immediately after, the catastrophe, and then indirectly, which might be what
Mooney is implying.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 13, 2007, 03:34:26 pm


                                                      I R E L A N D

Irish legends concerning the arrival of the Tuatha de Danaans are often
believed to relate Celtic landings in those parts.

But since references in question, which were originally orally transmitted
and later appeared in the mythological cycles, refer to physical and geo-
graphical changes in the contours of that country, the dating for the arri-
val of the earliest visitors still needs to be questioned.

When the legendary Partholan arrived on the shores of Ireland, there were
"but three lakes, nine rivers and one plain".

But during the reign of Partholan and his queen, Dealgnaid (pronounced Dalny),
the land changed contour and a new lake was formed, which was named after
Partholan's son, Rury, as it was said to have burst from the Earth during the
digging of Rury's grave.

The Partholanians were eventually wiped out by what the legends describe as
"pestilence", which could mean anything in those days, but may have been
caused by the release of bacteria during some seismic upheavel.

The indigenous population who faced these presumed Atlantean arrivals were
the Formorians, who were by all accounts not the most prepossessing of peo-
ple.  How they fared during those violent climatic and geological changes, how-
ever, we are not told.

Next came Nemed and his people, whom we are given to believe were also of
Atlantean stock, being in some way related to Partholan.

The Nemedians had sailed for Ireland in a fleet of thirty-two barks, each of which
contained thirty persons, but because of appalling weather conditions, only nine
survived the journey.  In time, they too died mysteriously.

The next person to arrive in Ireland was Semion, son of Stariat, from whom des-
cended the Firbolgs and two other tribes that persisted into historic times.

The most mysterious of all Irish visitors, however, were the Tuatha de Danaans,
or fairy people, "from whom all Irishmen of learning are sprung".

It would seem logical that Partholanians and Nemedians could have been ordinary
folk who escaped the shores of Atlantis, either just prior to the Flood, or during
that period of chaos that reigned directly after, when the Earth was in the pro-
cess of settling down to its new orbit.

The Tuatha de Danaans, on the othe hand, sound  like Atlantean priests and
artificers from one of the more advanced colonies, possibly Egypt, Spain or Gaul.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 13, 2007, 04:26:22 pm


                                                 W A L E S

The Reverend Edward Davies, whose book THE MYTHOLOGY and RITES of
the BRITISH DRUIDS first appeared in 1809, expressed his famous "Arkite"
theory, in which he states that Wales had its own Noah in the person of
Hu Gadarn.

According to Davies, Hu Gadarn appeared on the western shores of Wales
around the time of the final sinking of Atlantis and, with the help of a magic
rite involving a team of oxen, contained the Flood and saved the lives of
his people.

In fact, the Hu Gadarn legend would appear to complement Plato's story re-
garding Atlantean bull cults so, whether Hu's arrival on Welsh shores actual-
ly followed the Atlantean inundation or whether he was simply fleeing from
the aftermath of the Thera, or similarly dated seismic disturvances, is open
to speculation.

The similarity between Hu's name and that of the Sphinx, would seem to
suggest an Egyptian connection; since Davies was apparently of the opi-
nion that the Celts originally hailed from North Africa, this is hardly surprising.

Title: Re: Colonies, Missions and Safe Havens
Post by: Bianca on May 14, 2007, 08:05:26 am


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We will not go into this in depth here, as much of it is discussed in the OERA
LINDA and Spanuth's ATLANTIS OF THE NORTH, all that needs to be decided
at this juncture is whether the Atland described in these documents was an
Atlantean colony or a culture that had developed along enlightened lines with-
out external influence.

The descendants of the ancient Frisians would, no doubt, argue the latter, but
the blood groups concerned could be seen as too much of a coincidence on the
one hand, while the description of those "tall fair strangers" would appear to
fit the ancient Frisians perfectly.

No doubt, it could also be argued that there were no tall, fair Atlanteans - only
Frisians who were the colonizers and bringers of civilization and learning.  But,
much as the morals and ethics of the ancient Frisian matriarchal system are to
be admired, it is not clear that the culture is synonimous with that of Plato's

The religious and technological differences were too accentuated to start with,
while the disparity between the dates rendered in the OERA LINDA BOOK and the
latest geological findings off the Scandinavian coast in the North Sea must be
taken into account.

The Atlantean influence in those parts would seem to be obvious and probably
dates back to the Age of Virgo, when Atlantis supposedly was at its best.

So, "good on"  Frisians for preserving its pristine quality and ethics for so long!


ATLANTIS -Myth or Reality

Murry Hope