THE SPHINX

[Bianca]

Well, Sungate, you pursue those theories.  I never heard of any bronze doors on
the Sphinx.  Nor about any hidden chamber of the 'rump section'.

Personally, I am going to find all I can about the TV specials where forensic experts
rebuilt the original face and head and disproved that it is the image of whatever
Pharaoh they used to say it's supposed to resemble.

But not right now, as I'll be heading back to the "Morocco and Eastern Atlantis"
thread - now that it has been 'liberated'......

I find that much more interesting.  I really started the Sphinx thread for you.  I really
don't like cats, in spite of the fact that I'm a Leo.  LOL......

[mdsungate]

   Okay "B" I'll look tomorrow.  But they're not MY theories. This is just stuff I've read.  In fact I know there's already been some of it posted here SOMEWHERE!  But I'll find it online in Google faster than searching through all theses posts, LOL.   

P.S  And yes, they call it the "ass room", LOL.  I'm not making this stuff up!  I promise.  If I found such a room, I certainly wouldn't dub it by that awful name, LOL.   

[Bianca]

R U M P - U S   ROOM  sounds a lot better!!!


You're really funny (ROTFLMAF.......)

[Horus]

Hi Bianca and Sungate,

There is a small tunnel opening near the rump, and, separately, Schor's team found a large room in that region as well.  I'll post the A.R.E. article in the new thread I am assembling right now. 

The documentary about the analysis of the Sphinx face is called The Mystery of the Sphinx.  It aired on NBC in the Fall of 1993, but an extended version is available on VHS and DVD.  Excecutive Producer was Boris Said, and it featured the work of many specialists including geologist Robert Schoch, and New York City detective named Frank Domingo.  He did the forensic analysis proving that the face of the Sphinx was not the pharaoh Khafre. 

Horus

[mdsungate]

   Yes, Horus.  I that was the documentary I saw.  I recognized the name of New York City detective named Frank Domingo, immediately. 

I googled this and found it again immediately, "B"

TAKEN FROM:

http://wolf.mind.net/osiris/index.html   








Ananda's exploration into the Sphinx's "ass" room on the December 21st Solstice (precisely on solstice). Pictures are of the "OS" series, and are copyright © 1999, by Ananda®

EXCERPT FROM SAME SITE:

The radar work of Dr.. Borris Said, doing deep underground tomography, showed there to be a tunnel from a the back of the Sphinx's "ass", to a room in the middle of the Chefren pyramid causeway, and from there onto the Middle Pyramid itself.
I had the opportunity of being within a shaft room within the Sphinx's ass, some 7 metres deep, which is 1.5 metres below the Nile water metre, on December 21st 1997 (solstice).

LOL, I told you I saw it called the "ass room", LOL.   

[mdsungate]

   I haven’t found the right quotes about the original “brass door” in front yet.  But here’s something on another door in the enigmatic Sphinx:

THE SIDE DOOR

TAKEN FROM:

http://www.sphinx-egypt.com/sphinx_story.htm

 While the Sphinx has always been a wonder, and certainly a mystery in modern times, its "mystical connections" probably began in the 1940's with the American psychic and prophet Edgar Cayce. In a trance he predicted that a chamber would be found under the front paws of the Sphinx which would contain a library of records originating with the survivors of the destruction of Atlantis. While this may sound far-fetched, intriguing bits of evidence have emerged.
Workers restoring the Sphinx located a doorway in its side. Old photographs show that this door was at least partially open at one time. The full extent of this opening have not been explored.
In 1995 workers renovating a parking lot near the Sphinx uncovered a series of tunnels and pathways, two of which dip further underground near the Sphinx. Bauval believes these are ancient and probably contemporaneous with the Sphinx itself.

Here's more on it,

TAKEN FROM:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_esfinge_2.htm


The UCLA trip occurred last August and Dr. Hawass held a news conference at the California Museum of Natural History in Los Angeles where he highlighted recent discoveries and new excavations. Dr. Hawass was interviewed by Linda Moulton Howe on the October 6,1996, Art Bell radio show.
When asked if he still plans to open the door at the north end of the Sphinx on November 1, 1996, Hawass replied (rest of interview follows):
Dr. Zahi Hawass (HAWASS): No, I am not going to open it now. We have other things really to do.
Linda M. Howe (HOWE): How are you going to... because it's so interesting. It sounds like it should be very interesting to see what's in there?
HAWASS: I know but that door was opened in 1922 before. We are going to re-open it again.
HOWE: What did they see in 1922?
HAWASS: They entered inside and they found nothing.
HOWE: What happened between the August news conference and now to change that opening up of that door in the Sphinx?
HAWASS: We are just going to open it when we will reach the restoration. We are restoring the Sphinx now and this is what we care about -- the restoration. And this will be opened. You know, those people should know that there is nothing in the door. There is nothing in the door, it has been opened before and it is not really a big deal to open it.
HOWE: And what you're going to do is wait until you've got the restoration completed before you open the door or...?
HAWASS: EXACTLY!
HOWE: When will the restoration be completed?
HAWASS: Um, we don't know. You know in archaeology, ma'am, we are very slow because the monuments are very precious. You do not -- we are not "Raiders of the Lost Ark," we are caring about the monument.
HOWE: Right

Apparently there are a bunch of doors, LOL.   

[Horus]

OK so here's the forensic facial analysis done by New York City Detective Sergeant Frank Domingo as presented in the documentary "Mystery of the Sphinx"

He started by taking detailed measurements of the Sphinx and of the diorite statue of Pharaoh Khafre in the Cairo museum, because orthodox Egyptologists believe that Khafre had the Sphinx carved in his own image around 4500 B.C. :



As we can see below, the angles for the slope of the facial structure do not match at all!

[Horus]

By overlaying side and front views of the two statues we can see that virtually none of the facial features line up at all:


Based on his thorough study of the face on the Sphinx, Sgt. Domingo sketched out the likeness of the individual it repesents:



As we can see the features are distinctively negroid and it was likely a Nubian Pharaoh from the southern kingdom of Kush who was the last to recarve the head of the Sphinx.  Why do we think it's been recarved?

[Horus]

Frank Domingo, independent Egyptologist John West, and geologist Robert Schoch believe that the head of the Sphinx has been recarved because it does not show the same, heavy erosion as the rest the body and:

If the Sphinx was supposed to be a lion, then its head and shoulders are terribly out of proportion with one.	Statues of other Sphinxes in the Cairo museum and elsewhere in Egypt are much more proportionate with a lion than the Sphinx is. This is because it's very likely that the heavily-eroded, original head was recarved -possibly more than once and thus has lost size from these alterations.	________________________________________

[mdsungate]

   Yes all that errosion, and probably several, (not just one), recarving of the face.  But Hawass still thinks it's only 5,000 years old.  There must have been a lot of unrecorded rain in Egypt, LOL.   

[rockessence]

Sungate,

RE: "But Hawass still thinks it's only 5,000 years old. "

Hawass SAYS so, but we do not know what he thinks....

[cleasterwood]

Ok, let me start from the beginning.  Bianca, you asked what we thought of Robert Scoch's theory on a 10,500 BC date for the Sphinx.  In my opinion, I think he's on to something.  The biggest reason being Schoch is a geologist and familiar with erosion patterns of all rocks.  If he isn't then why on God's earth is he a geologist? The reason his dating isn't accepted is because no one wants to re-write the history books, so it's dismissed as fallacy by mainstream Egyptologists like Hawass. 

I saw the Mysteries of the Sphinx and there is no way the Sphinx looks like Khafre.  Also Mdsungate, you talked earlier about a pharaoh having a dream of the Sphinx talking to him, that was Thutmoses and his Dream Stele is described in depth here.  It is the only king I know of associated with what you were speaking about.  Also the theory of there being two Sphinx was taken from the Thutmoses Dream Stele because it has the dual Sphinx depicted.  I believe other texts mention it briefly.

I believe there were two Sphinx monuments and I also believe there are other missing pyramids that have yet to be found.  If you look at the image of Orion's belt, which the Giza Plateau replicated the layout on earth, you can clearly see there is something missing on the ground.  Bauval and Gilbert agree!  See this link for pictures of supporting evidence.  http://doernenburg.alien.de/alternativ/orion/ori00_e.php 

Blessed be and happy researching,
Lynn

[mdsungate]

   Good point Rockessence.  How would we know?  Perhaps Hawass is just as big as an Atlantis enthausist as the rest of us, but he states the position he needs to in order to keep his job, LOL. 

Lynn, I posted something on the two Sphinxes in the  other thread, but I’ll repost it here as well.  Logically, if there are two Sphinxes, the other one would be completely buried in the sand, (because it’s closer to the sand storms), west of the middle pyramid.  As seen below:




That was a little photoshop edit on a Wikapedia map, (need to credit them, not me).

But I checked out that link, and I'm not sure what you mean by what is missing, Lynn. Please elaborate.  Should the Sphinx be part of that Orion comparison?  (I only had half a cup of coffee this morning, LOL). 

[Bianca]

                                   REDATING THE GREAT SPHINX OF GIZA



 

by Dr. Robert M. Schoch  ©  1992

http://www.robertschoch.net/Redating%20the%20Great%20Sphinx%20of%20Giza.htm

         

          Mainstream Egyptologists reacted with total disbelief when it was proposed that the famous Sphinx was much older than the 4th Dynasty. The Great Sphinx, carved out of limestones of the Eocene Mokattam Formation,[1] standing sixty-six feet (twenty meters) high and 240 feet (seventy-three meters) long, sits on the edge of the Giza Plateau (just west of Cairo, Egypt), east of the three great pyramids. Most Egyptologists currently attribute the carving of the Great Sphinx to King Chafre (Chephren) of the Old Kingdom's Fourth Dynasty, in approximately 2500 B.C. by various chronologies.[2] In addition the so-called Sphinx Temple (situated directly in front of the Great Sphinx) and Valley Temple (on the Sphinx's right side) are also generally attributed to Khafre.[3]

 

          As presently viewed, the Great Sphinx presents the image of a leonine body bearing a human head in a nemes head-dress. It does not sit on top of the Giza Plateau-only its head and the very top of its back project above the general elevation of the surrounding plateau-but rests in the center of what appears to be the remains of an ancient quarry. The Sphinx is carved from local bedrock and faces directly east. In order to carve the body of the Sphinx, the ancient Egyptians dug a ditch or moat around it, such that the figure now sits in a hollow or depression, commonly referred to by such names as the "Sphinx ditch", the "Sphinx enclosure" or the "Sphinx quarry." The blocks of limestone removed from the Sphinx enclosure (in order to create the form of the body) were used to construct the so-called Sphinx Temple sifting directly due east of the Sphinx itself (in front of the paws of the sculpture) and the so-called Valley Temple located immediately south of the Sphinx Temple. The floor of the Sphinx enclosure is approximately sixty-five feet (twenty meters) above present-day mean sea level; this is probably near, or only a few meters above, the typical level of Nile flooding during various periods in ancient times.[4] I have divided major geological and field evidence bearing on the age of the Great Sphinx into four main categories :

 

(1) Weathering Patterns, (2) Two-Stage Construction of the Sphinx and Valley Temples, (3) Ancient Repair Campaigns to the Body of the Sphinx and (4) Seismic Surveys of the Sphinx Area.

 

Weathering Patterns

 

          Modifications to rock surfaces-such as those resulting from weathering, erosion and paleos of development-have long been utilized as criteria in dating the relative ages when fresh rock surfaces were first exposed to the elements.[5] Such methodologies have been widely used to date Quaternary land surfaces in particular, but the same concepts can also be applied to other dating problems-such as the age of the initial carving of the Sphinx relative to other cultural features found on the Giza Plateau.

 

There appear to be four distinct forms or modes of weathering exhibited in this specific geologic area:

[Bianca]

(1) Precipitation-induced weathering is seen on the body of the Sphinx and in the ditch or hollow in which it is situated. This gives a rolling and undulating vertical profile to the weathered rocks and is very well-developed and prominent within the Sphinx enclosure. The rocks displaying this mode of weathering also often contain prominent vertical crevices and other solution features, as well as cross-cutting diffusion fronts.[6] Many of the vertical and inclined solution features follow joints and faults in the bedrock.

(2) Wind-induced weathering and erosional features are seen on structures that are attributed unambiguously to Old Kingdom times. In this mode of weathering, the original profiles of the carved faces of tombs and other structures are still clearly visible (sometimes containing easily legible hieroglyphic inscriptions); but the softer, less competent layers of rock have been "picked out" by wind and sand abrasion, with the consequent formation of deeply eroded "wind-tunnel" features.


          This wind-induced weathering is distinctly different in nature from the precipitation-induced weathering; it is well exemplified on various Old Kingdom tombs and structures south and west of the sphinx, which have been carved from the same sequence of limestones as the body of the great sculpture itself.

 

(3) Present on the body of the Sphinx, as well as on other Giza Plateau structures (and essentially forming an overlay on many precipitation-induced and wind-induced megascopic weathering features), are weathering features that are interpreted as resulting from relatively recent (within the last couple of centuries) efflorescing of dissolved and recrystallized minerals (such as halite) on the rock surfaces, which have subsequently flaked off and deteriorated the stone.[7]

(4) Weathering due to the dissolution and recrystallization of calcite and other minerals in the rocks is visible within various tombs and other chambers cut into the bedrock of the Giza Plateau. This may occur on a daily basis, as water condenses on the cool surfaces of these man-made caves, and subsequently evaporates once again as the temperature rises. This condensation and evaporation cycle gives the surface of the rock-and any carvings it may bear-almost the appearance of melted wax, at times covered with a very fine coating of mineral crystals. This is the most minor component of weathering observed on the Giza Plateau. It is preserved in only a limited number of artificial cave-like structures, such as tombs directly north of the Sphinx on the eastern edge of the Plateau.