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« on: September 19, 2007, 10:44:28 am »







                                      New Walls Encircle Pyramidal Complex at Giza





 

Since the beginning of 2002, Dr. J.J. Hurtak and a European team of investigators and explorers have been recording the construction of a massive system of walls being placed around the historic pyramidal sites and the larger unexcavated area of Giza, Egypt — in total, an area covering approximately eight square kilometers. Why build these massive walls at this time?  Certainly Giza is one of the finest archaeological zones of the world.  Are there new treasures of ancient Egypt yet to be uncovered that require sophisticated technology and surveillance platforms, to protect the ongoing research along the Giza plateau?  Has, perhaps, an area been discovered that shows tracings of rare earths and unique minerals?  Or is it simply, as some officials are claiming, a move to protect the plateau from terrorists and control the masses of tourists visiting the area? 

The standard argument for the creation of such a wall is "crowd control", but the details of this new construction suggest an initiative that is both multi-purpose and grand scale: the wall near Nazlat al Salman will be, at a minimum, 7 meters (22 feet) high.  Are such measures solely for crowd control?



The walls have been built in stages.  Images taken in February of 2002 reveal the walls extending far out into the desert where, for the most part, they have not been noticeable to the average visitor. Note the foundation and the massive re-bar supports. The walls have been carefully constructed on a deep and wide foundation (at least 2 meters below ground) with iron rod poles poised to support the concrete interfaces, with room for a special attachable cover. All in all this suggests a gargantuan wall.



This barrier would enclose all major archaeological activity but would do nothing to protect the archaeological site from the strong winds that blow across the plateau. So vast is this structure that some local village homes have been removed, suggesting that what is envisioned on the plateau is more than just a restricting device for visitors to the popular site. What we see is a larger, carefully thought-out design, encompassing neighboring findings and, perhaps, protecting underground graves, tunnels and passages.



Thus, not only are the aboveground structures contained in this "new zone," but also the vast underground structures yet to be uncovered.  The extent of the walls clearly shows the detailed consideration of civil engineers and hydrological experts. (I think of the likes of the ingenious Italian architect Paolo Soleri, who designed all the ingredients for an underground city to match his aboveground city in the deserts of Arizona.)



The psychological reality of guards stationed as sentries at intervals along the entire wall carries the intrigue of a major feature film set, designed for the few experts who are to find an underground sphinx or obelisk, or a connection between Osiris and the constellation of Orion, rather than an open-door feature for thousands of well-behaved international students of history and archaeology who have never needed to be extensively controlled. 

Indeed, are the chambers of the deep being closed in the 21st century to students of world culture history who follow in the footsteps of explorers like Charles Piazzi Smyth and R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz, who entertained a higher meaning to Egyptian architecture? Are these sites now being closed to technologically gifted explorers at a time when new proto-historic findings could serve to unite the various camps of thinkers and philosophers in the Near East on the basis of a grand history for all people?

We hope that newly discovered realities within the walls will not be limited to the few, and that there will be no concealment of important historical information that could bring a higher knowledge and unity to all humankind.

 Dr. J.J. Hurtak, Ph.D., Ph.D.
Specialist in remote sensing


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The Great Wall of Giza





 by Robert M. Schoch  © 2006

        A couple of readers asked about my take on the wall being built around the Giza Plateau.
To be honest, I have very mixed feelings about the subject. Personally I hate to see the Giza Plateau fenced in and become a walled tourist attraction (and maybe even part of the new museum complex that is being built). I feel this detracts from the setting and inherent magnificence of the monuments there, which of course includes the only surviving wonder of the ancient world - - the Great Pyramid. However, the Giza Plateau is a large area and difficult to police, and as a result, over the years there have been many problems with vandalism and damage to the structures, by souvenir hunters, tourists, camel drivers, Egyptians trying to make a living off of the tourists, and others.

        I am appalled at the graffiti and defacing that has occurred to the Great Pyramid, for instance, by modern tourists; in some cases I have thought to myself, as I admired the monuments there, that if I were dictator of the Giza Plateau I would simply cut off all access completely in order to save the monuments. Now, I would never really do that if I were in charge, but my point is that I can understand and be sympathetic to the predicament of the person who is in charge of the Giza Plateau, and whose responsibility it is to protect the monuments, namely Dr. Zahi Hawass. Despite all of the rumors that continue to fly, I honestly believe at first and foremost Dr. H awass is trying to do his job as best he can.

        I believe the building of the wall is part of the way he is attempting to protect the monuments of the Giza Plateau. We can debate the merits and appropriateness of walling in the plateau, and it may or may not be an effective strategy, but I personally do not think the wall is a way of hiding secret excavations or discoveries. Dr. Hawass has absolute control over the Giza Plateau and he does not need a wall to hide some new discovery. Work being periodically halted and then started up again on the wall is, as far as I am aware, simply a matter of available funding.

        Likewise, as part of his responsibility of caring for the Egyptian antiquities, Dr. Hawass has to be careful and judicious in what research projects he allows and when. I know from experience that there are often many practical, economic (for instance, interfering with tourism, which is an important part of the Egyptian economy), and political reasons that he has for either allowing or not allowing certain research projects to take place at certain times. Despite what people may think and say, and I have heard plenty of anecdotal stories and rumors that even involve my own research and whether or not I was allowed to do this and that, I do not have any evidence that Dr. Hawass is purposefully restraining research because he is afraid of the results or discoveries of such research.


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The Giza Wall

Whatever may be in store for Giza this October, it appears that Zahi Hawass and the Egyptian authorities have been preparing for something big. In 2002 construction began of a massive concrete security wall to surround the Giza plateau which, for reasons unknown, also extends into the empty desert to encompass a total area of about eight square kilometers. Egyptologist and mystic J.J. Hurtak comments on this wall saying that such a wall was never needed for tourists, but can only be in preparation for a major discovery [8]:

"The psychological reality of guards stationed as sentries at intervals along the entire wall carries the intrigue of a major feature film set, designed for the few experts who are to find an underground sphinx or obelisk, or a connection between Osiris and the constellation of Orion, rather than an open-door feature for thousands of well-behaved international students of history and archaeology who have never needed to be extensively controlled."

It is now 2005 and this wall must now be almost certainly complete. What kind of event could possibly be scheduled to demand such a high level of security and safety? What kind of discovery could possibly be expected?

It is interesting that Hurtak referred to the possibility of finding evidence connecting Osiris with Orion. This connection is something that is well-known to many researchers of the religion and history of ancient Egypt, but it is still unaccepted within the mainstream academic community of Egyptology. In the next article we will examine why this connection is important and we will argue that the Great Pyramid of Egypt, if it was indeed built as a tomb, is more likely to contain the mummy of Osiris, rather than that of Khufu the builder of the pyramid.
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2007, 12:30:59 pm »

 Shocked  Hey what happened?  When I went to look back at the post in the Hall of Records the stuff about the wall had disapeared!  At first I thought senility was setting in early, LOL!  I wanted to comment on part of this because I'm not sure what it means:

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The extent of the walls clearly shows the detailed consideration of civil engineers and hydrological experts. (I think of the likes of the ingenious Italian architect Paolo Soleri, who designed all the ingredients for an underground city to match his aboveground city in the deserts of Arizona.)
 

Are they perhaps trying to create a way of lowering the water table of the Giza Plateau? I've read years before that an expert in sonic imaging had detected a cavern below the Giza Plateau, but it was filled with water and mud, because the construction of the Aswan High Dam had raised the water table in the area.

Has anyone else heard about this?
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2007, 12:47:45 pm »




Sorry, Sungate.  I moved THE WALL here because it has nothing to do with the Hall of
Records or Osiris' Tomb.

I find this wall a very confusing subject and I certainly don't buy the "official reason"
that is claimed for its ****.

As to your question, I have no answer.
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2007, 01:30:57 pm »

 Smiley  Okay, "B" I'm sure none of us will really know for sure.  I don't want to side us into all that conspiracy stuff that KTC got into either. 

But have you, (or anyone here), heard of a sonic expert finding a cavern below that is filled with water and or mud?   It might well have been part of that FOX special when they went into the Osiris' Tomb.  My three sons and I watched it with great anticipation the night it aired.  Personally I just don't trust what Zahi Hawass,  (and the Egyptian authorities) are saying.  I'm not sure if it's just my instincts telling me that he's lying, or what.  I definately believe he has his own adjenda, even if it's based on protecting the Egyptian artifacts, or his own personal glory.  I can always sence when people are lying, and he's defiantely at least withholding part of the truth here. 

I've read so much, and worse still seen so many presentations on this subject, that it's hard to tell where I've read or heard about this person who used a type of sonic radar on the whole area, and found a cavern below.   Tongue  Again does anyone know what I'm talking about?
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2007, 01:34:54 pm »

 Smiley  Oh, it might also have been part of that special where they used the mechanical robot to go up the south shaft and found the brass door.  ... yeah BRASS, just like the ones that were supposed to have originally been on the Sphinx.   Cool
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2007, 01:41:39 pm »

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I find this wall a very confusing subject and I certainly don't buy the "official reason" that is claimed for its ****.

Well you are spot on, Bianca because one of the official reasons is supposedly to keep the camel drivers out!  Electrified chain link would suffice for that and be faar cheaper but people can see through it! The wall is a very high visibility barrier. The wall also encompasses Giza from the rear desert side.  Who would enter from that direction?  It's total overkill for the stated purposes and costed a fortune to build.  Egypt is a poor country so who paid for this?

I don't like conspiracy theories very much either, Sungate, but the activities at Giza have been overtly suspicious since 1992 -especially where Hawass is concerned.  I just can't and won't ignore all of that. 

The person you are probably referring to was Dr. Thomas Dobecki.  He measured the subsurface weathering of the Sphinx enclosure for the West team in '91 and that's when they detected the chamber under the left (not right) paw with a seismograph.  He was hired by Schor to continue research there in '96 (and in other parts of the Plateau) using ground penetrating radar which confirmed what was in front of the Sphinx and located an even larger room near the rump. 

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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2007, 03:06:15 pm »

These are so big that some clipping has occurred unless you use the scroll bar waaaay at the bottom, but you can see the originals here:
source: http://ambilac-uk.tripod.com/gizaplateau.html







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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2007, 03:53:46 pm »

 Huh  Will we be seeing walls around Stonehenge too?  Thanks Horus, for the tip on Dr. Thomas Dobecki. I'll google him and see if that's it. 

P.S. I think your avatar and mine are related, LOL.   Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2007, 04:33:15 pm »

Huh  Will we be seeing walls around Stonehenge too?  Thanks Horus, for the tip on Dr. Thomas Dobecki. I'll google him and see if that's it. 

P.S. I think your avatar and mine are related, LOL.   Tongue

Hermes=Horus?  Hermes=Thoth as far as I know!

Okay I think that what you are referring to is here:

http://www.towers-online.co.uk/pages/shafted9.htm

Read "Enter Boris And The ARE".  It's a garbled account by Boris Said (containing a couple of lies and distortions) but describes what you are talking about.  Dobecki did do GPR at the Tomb of Osiris wellshaft which was full of mud and water.Perhaps what you were remembering got mixed into this?

As for the chambers beneath the Sphinx, I have never read anywhere that they were full of mud and water.  If I remember correctly they are higher than the water table, but I could be mistaken. 

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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2007, 12:20:30 pm »

 Smiley  TAKEN FROM THE LINK "HORUS" PROVIDED:

http://www.towers-online.co.uk/pages/shafted9.htm


A pile of muddy debris extended from the eastern side of the room and tapered off at the sides into the water. Towards the centre the partially buried enclosure also full of water broke through the debris…

Dr. Hawass simply states that he decided to excavate the location because he found out that the water level had fallen…

The same report also mentions that the pool could well be the result of a rise in the water table rather than being an original feature.  Chris Ogilvie-Herald, co-author of "Giza: The Truth also doubts that the chamber intentionally contains water…

Dr. Mark Lehner visits the third level and throws a pebble into the water, saying that the point of impact marks the spot where two more shafts go deeper still.[22] Have the shafts finally been investigated? Maybe there is more to be told…



Yes, perhaps this is what I heard, and misunderstood, (being that I am always looking for verification of the traditional legends about the cavern and the subterranean lake.)  However they aren’t mentioning that the rise in the water table was due to the building of the Aswan High Dam.

I personally think that what we are all “really” interested in, (i.e. the “Hall of Records”), is “deeper still”.  The building of a dam in the vicinity would have undoubtedly raised the water table of the area.  But if the rest of the legends are correct, (i.e. the pyramid was built to preserve the ancient knowledge from the impending Flood of Noah), shouldn’t the original architects have compensated for any amount of “ground water”? 

I personally suspect that if the legends are true, (and I for one believe they are), then the Hall of Records should lie even further down and would be somehow “sealed” off from any easy entrance of man, or water. 

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Hermes=Horus?  Hermes=Thoth as far as I know!

Well not literally “related” as in a relative.  Although I would suppose that all the “gods” were relatives of some sort. 

TAKEN FROM:

http://www.egyptiandreams.co.uk/keywords/thoth/hermes%20thoth.php



Thoth was the god who overcame the curse of Ra, allowing Nut to give birth to her five children, with his skill at games. It was he who helped Isis work the ritual to bring Osiris back from the dead, and who drove the magical poison of Set from her son, Horus with the power of his magic.
Originally, Thoth was a god of creation, but was later thought to be the one who civilized men, teaching them civic and religious practices, writing, medicine, music and magic



So Thoth, (Hermes), and Horus had some sort of “relation” to each other.  That’s all what I was joking about.  A poor quip, sorry.  I like to add a little levity, (the “walls” in this thread being quite a sad state of affairs, indeed.)  Wink



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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2007, 04:58:40 pm »

So Thoth, (Hermes), and Horus had some sort of “relation” to each other.  That’s all what I was joking about.  A poor quip, sorry.  I like to add a little levity, (the “walls” in this thread being quite a sad state of affairs, indeed.)  Wink

Oh I know you were being light-hearted and there's no need to apologize anyway, Sungate!  Smiley

BTW- The Horus I identify with is not the son of Osiris and Isis, Horus the Avenger, but an older version known as "Horus the Elder" or Heru Ur in the ancient Egyptian. He was a sky god and a brother to Osiris.  He lost an eye in a battle with Set but Thoth magically restored it -so thank you!  I owe you one!

As for the water table, I think it actually lowered at sites like Giza after the Aswan Dam was built because that is waaay upstream by Abu Simbel, but I'm not a hydraulic engineer so can't say for sure.

As for the Hall of Records, if Cayce's clues are anything to go by, then we need to be looking beneath the village, not the necropolis.

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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2007, 12:46:13 pm »

 Smiley  Beneath the village you say?  Gee, I'm obviously not familiar with which Cayce reading described that.  I've read a book about his readings on Atlantis, (by his brother, I believe.. I'll check on which).  The "sleeping prophet" was so prolific that I have'nt had time to read them all, (not in this lifetime, anyway, LOL). 

Now when you say, "village" what exactly are you refering to?  I know there's a sort of cemetary with old ruined buildings that could be described as a "village" just south of the GP, (and theres some ruins just east of it as well. 

Then there's "Saraha City" a complex of nightclubs located just sou th of the Gizah Pyramids, (if it's even still there, my pictoral book of Ciaro is from 1980). 

And then there's a settlement of modern buildings directly east of the Sphinx.  (Actually I think I remember you posting something about the Hall of Records being to the east).  So perhaps this is what you are refering to when you say, "village".

But even if the "Hall of Records" does lie directly below any of these possible locations, the entrance to get down there should lie (originally anyway), through or below the Sphinx, (no?).  Is that not what the legends say?  Or do you think there is more than one way down there? 

Personally, I feel that, Hept Supt would have made it very difficult to reach such an important cache of knowledge.  I wouldn't suspect that local residents who ventured underground to go for a swim, would have just been able to stumble across it.

Cayce has in more than one reading called it the “Pyramid of Initiation ”.  (He’s also either implied or outright said, that Jesus Christ was initiated in the Great Pyramid, himself,)  This automatically implies that there is someone or some school that knew the way into the Great Pyramid, before 800 A.D. when the Moslem Prince seeking treasure, but only finding the lidless sarcophagus broke it into.   

Now if I were Hept Supt leaving behind such a valuable “treasure” of knowledge of human history, (and Atantean.), this is what I would do, (logically).  I wouldn’t just seal it off, like a time capsule, and wait until civilization had rebuilt itself, (after the Flood), and could reach it technologically. That would risk loosing it forever, should mankind loose memory of it, and stop looking for it. 

Instead I would entrust the secret of gaining entrance to it to a select few members of a (necessarily), secret brotherhood, whose members would guard the secret with their very lives.   I’m not referring to any of the ones we’ve heard so much about, i.e. the Masons, Rosicrucian’s, etc. because the very fact that we know the name of their brotherhood would defile the very idea of it.  Even the “Mystery schools” would not fit the bill here, because we know of them. 

So there must be a “secret” passage way inside the Great Pyramid.  Who ever guarded the way to gain entrance inside and find the way to the empty sarcophagus in the King’s Chamber for an initiation into some kind of high understanding, must have know about a hidden passage.  There obviously must be stonewalls that move aside, (unless part of initiation involved walking through solid stone walls, LOL.)  (Or very, very small initiates descended down those shafts to the Queen’s Chamber, LOL). 

I guess what I’m driving at is that if local residents have know about the tomb of Osiris,
and went swimming there in the water, then I rather doubt that this is what was built and designed by Hept Supt.  This is probably a later Egyptian construction.  Personally I even doubt that the Egyptian Pharoahs knew how to gain entrance to the “Hall of Records”.  If Caycee asserts that mankind is waiting for the time when it will be “evolved” enough for the cache of knowledge to be opened, then how is it that the Egyptians were in possession of it?  Certainly Pharaohs that waged wars of conquest and enslaved entire races were not any more worthy of such a treasure of knowledge than we are now.   
 
I would to the contrary suspect, that all throughout the Egyptian civilization, this “secret brotherhood” has guarded the secret of the “Hall of Records”.  The Great Pyramid and the Sphinx are much older than the other two inferior pyramids, which are obviously later constructions which imitate them.  The Sphinx was also obviously redone (by Kufu or Cheops).  Some forensic studies have established that the face is too small and was reshaped.  A Sphinx should have a woman’s face anyway.  So some Egyptian egotist has obviously reworked it to his own image, (which seems to happen a lot in Egyptian history).  I think the tunnels and passages that Hawass is finding are later Egyptian constructions.  The Egyptian civilization has probably been looking and digging up the whole area for millennia now.   

What do your own thoughts, (and Cayce’s readings) have to say that pertain to my opinions here?
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2007, 12:16:31 am »

Smiley  Beneath the village you say?  Gee, I'm obviously not familiar with which Cayce reading described that.  I've read a book about his readings on Atlantis, (by his brother, I believe.. I'll check on which).

Hi Sungate,

It was Edgar Cayce's second son, Edgar Evans Cayce who wrote two books on the Atlantis readings.

The "Pyramid of Initiation", "House Initiate", and even the generic-sounding "The Gizeh" are Cayce's pet names for the Great Pyramid of Khufu, but not for the significantly smaller "Pyramid of Records". 

I do still plan to open up another thread on this topic, but I am still gathering my various resources together and I promise to answer all of your other questions in graphic detail. 

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