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« on: July 28, 2009, 01:20:31 pm »

Hawaii Again Declares Obama Birth Certificate Real



HONOLULU State officials in Hawaii on Monday said they have once again checked and confirmed that President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen, and therefore meets a key constitutional requirement for being president.
They hoped to stem a recent surge in the number of inquiries about Obama's birthplace.
"I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."
So-called "birthers" who claim Obama is ineligible to be president because, they argue, he was actually born outside the United States have grown more vocal recently on blogs and television news shows.
Fukino issued a similar press release Oct. 31, but was prompted to speak out again because of the renewed attention on Obama's beginnings. Hawaii's Health Department has been flooded in recent weeks with questions from individuals and several national TV news networks asking for proof that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.
"They just keep asking over and over and over again," Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo said.
The Constitution states that a person must be a "natural-born citizen" to be eligible for the presidency. Birthers contend that Obama's birth certificate is a fake, and many say he was actually born in Kenya, his father's homeland. They've challenged his citizenship in court.
One widely circulated YouTube clip of a town hall meeting showed a Republican congressman getting booed for saying Obama is a citizen. Talk show host Rush Limbaugh and CNN's Lou Dobbs have also raised the issue, and 10 Republican members of Congress co-sponsored a bill that would require future presidential candidates to provide a copy of their original birth certificate.
However, it appears Congress has moved on and has accepted Obama's island birthplace. The U.S. House on Monday unanimously approved a resolution recognizing and celebrating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii becoming the 50th state. A clause was included that reads: "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961."
State law bars the release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.
However, Obama's birth certificate along with birth notices from the two Honolulu newspapers were brought forward even before he took office. But that's done nothing to shake the belief by many Obama critics that the president was born abroad.
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2009, 02:21:13 pm »

Andrew Malcolm writes "The Obama camp has proceeded normally as if there was no controversy." Yet Obama has a phalanx of lawyers suppressing access to his early records and has reported spent over $1M in doing so. Is this "proceeding normally?" As an historian it is clear that while Obama may have two creative autobiographies, he will never have an authoritative biography until he allows access to his records. And by the way that Certificate of Live Birth you post above is not authoritative and is not a vault "birth certificate." I have the latter and will gladly show Obama mine if I could see his. In fact I think concerned Americans should laminate theirs and have such a birth certificate rally in Layfayette Park in DC!

This certificate means nothing!!
I know how the public service in Hawaii works and with a couple dollars under the table you get anything you want.


Why is Obama spending so much on lawyers to fight the release of his LONG FORM CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH? ( This is the original hospital generated certificate that would have given his place of birth as well as the attendants and would have been signed and sealed in 1961)This document would prove conclusively that he is a NATURAL born citizen of the US ( as required to serve as President) and the matter would be closed. Instead he has only released a certification of birth which does not list the hospital or provide any names of attendants that can be verified. In fact the document he released proves nothing with regard to the NATURAL born citizen requirement since this type of document was also provided to those that were born outside of the US and thus are NOT NATURAL born citizens. This smells. He is obviously hiding something. What?

Also see this http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,20059.0/msg,161566.html

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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2009, 12:23:14 am »

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This certificate means nothing!!
I know how the public service in Hawaii works and with a couple dollars under the table you get anything you want.

Sorry, this is the official word from the Hawaii State Department of Health.  There is no controversy.  The issue probably would never have been raised at all if he weren't black.
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2009, 05:36:41 pm »

Ou, he is black, and that is the problem?

Not for me, I am brown and a Jew ( my mothers name was Sara Koen ).

But problem here is not from color, it is that he is lieing and hide something.

Original vault copy (long form) birth certificate – not released

Certificate of live birth (short form) – alleged forgery released
Dunham-Obama marriage license – not released
Dunham-Soetoro marriage license – not released
Soetoro adoption records – not released
Besuki School application – obtained
Punahou School records – not released
Selective Service Registration – alleged forgery released
Occidental College records – not released
Passport (Indonesian) – not released
Passport (U.S.) – not releasedColumbia University records – not released
Columbia University thesis – not released

Harvard Law School records – not released
Harvard Law Review articles – none released
Baptism certificate – none released

Medical records – not released (except for a one-page statement saying Obama is healthy)
Illinois State Senate records – not released
Illinois State Senate schedule – not released (alleged to have been lost)
Law practice client list and billing records – not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles –  none released (and none perhaps ever written)

Campaign donor analysis – not released

List of all campaign workers who are lobbyists – not released

List of trips outside the United States before 2008 – not released
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2009, 05:24:32 am »

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This certificate means nothing!!
I know how the public service in Hawaii works and with a couple dollars under the table you get anything you want.

Sorry, this is the official word from the Hawaii State Department of Health.  There is no controversy.  The issue probably would never have been raised at all if he weren't black.

Alan Keyes and Cynthia McKinney are black-Americans and didn't have any problems.

Sorry the race-card aint going to work here.

You not talking to publically educated liberals here.
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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2009, 10:32:01 am »

Completely paranoid. If Hawaii was covering up for him, whoever involved would be up on federal charges for fraud, and someone else in the Hawaii government would have said that a fraud was being perpetuated.

There is no evidence that Obama was born out of the country, in fact, there was a newspaper announcement in a Hawaiin paper at the time of his birth.  So, in order for your conspiracy to be in effect, someone would have to have had a time travel machine to make it happen.  Get real! 
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2009, 01:08:35 pm »

            Researcher Dr. Ron Polarik performed an exhaustive examination of the various Obama birth certificate images available on the Internet and states that the document is a fake. Polarik alleges that no original paper Certification of Live Birth (COLB) corresponding to the image on the Internet exists. He states that the online document was computer-generated and not a scanned image of any authentic Obama COLB. Polarik also points out that the 2007 seal shown on Obama’s alleged 2007 COLB looks nothing like the authentic 2007 Hawaiian seal on actual documents for that year.

            On August 13, 1961, nine days after his birth, an Obama birth notice appears in two Honolulu newspapers. The Sunday Advertiser and the Star Bulletin announcements read, “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug 4.” The address listed in the notices is purportedly that of Ann Dunham’s parents. The place of birth is not indicated. Many argue that the newspaper birth notices prove Obama was born in Hawaii, others argue that they prove only that Obama’s mother, father, or grandparents placed the notice in the newspapers. (One individual who is familiar with Linotype machines used by newspapers in the 1960s argues that the spacing of the lines in the Obama birth notice suggests it is a forgery.) Current long-time (since before 1961) residents of nearby 6075 Kalanianaole Highway state that the residents of 6085 in 1961 were neither Obama and Dunham nor Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, but Orland and Thelma Lefforge. Regardless of where Obama was born, in late August of 1961 his mother was living in a Seattle apartment (516 13th Avenue E), ready to begin classes at the University of Washington. (The telephone book entry is “Obama Anna Mrs EA3-3348”)
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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2009, 12:14:06 am »

Completely paranoid. If Hawaii was covering up for him, whoever involved would be up on federal charges for fraud, and someone else in the Hawaii government would have said that a fraud was being perpetuated.

There is no evidence that Obama was born out of the country, in fact, there was a newspaper announcement in a Hawaiin paper at the time of his birth.  So, in order for your conspiracy to be in effect, someone would have to have had a time travel machine to make it happen.  Get real! 

You know if you are going to scammed by a man in a suit, you're in for a rough future.

Why did Obama's grandmother admit that Obama was born in Kenya on tape if he wasn't

The COLB was a proven fraud.

Why do you young women here love being conned ??

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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2009, 03:00:56 am »

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Why did Obama's grandmother admit that Obama was born in Kenya on tape if he wasn't

Cause she was talking about his dad, not him, and the right wingers cut the tape off before she corrected herself, then posted it on Youtube.

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The COLB was a proven fraud.

In your dreams it was proven to be fake.  Evidence of it being real has been posted here many, many times, but, of course you keep ignoring it because it is more fun for you to suggest it is all a "conspiracy."

But, here we go again:

Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: November 1, 2008
The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary

In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2009, 03:01:34 am »

Analysis

Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the  registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.

    Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: "This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy." . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? "I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done."

Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

Since we first wrote about Obama's birth certificate on June 16, speculation on his citizenship has continued apace. Some claim that Obama posted a fake birth certificate to his Web page. That charge leaped from the blogosphere to the mainstream media earlier this week when Jerome Corsi, author of a book attacking Obama, repeated the claim in an Aug. 15 interview with Steve Doocy on Fox News.

    Corsi: Well, what would be really helpful is if Senator Obama would release primary documents like his birth certificate. The campaign has a false, fake birth certificate posted on their website. How is anybody supposed to really piece together his life?

    Doocy: What do you mean they have a "false birth certificate" on their Web site?

    Corsi: The original birth certificate of Obama has never been released, and the campaign refuses to release it.

    Doocy: Well, couldn't it just be a State of Hawaii-produced duplicate?

    Corsi: No, it's a -- there's been good analysis of it on the Internet, and it's been shown to have watermarks from Photoshop. It's a fake document that's on the Web site right now, and the original birth certificate the campaign refuses to produce.

Corsi isn't the only skeptic claiming that the document is a forgery. Among the most frequent objections we saw on forums, blogs and e-mails are:

    * The birth certificate doesn't have a raised seal.
    * It isn't signed.
    * No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version.
    * In the zoomed-in view, there's a strange halo around the letters.
    * The certificate number is blacked out.
    * The date bleeding through from the back seems to say "2007," but the document wasn't released until 2008.
    * The document is a "certification of birth," not a "certificate of birth."

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.
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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2009, 03:02:00 am »



The Obama birth certificate, held by FactCheck writer Joe Miller
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2009, 03:02:23 am »



Alvin T. Onaka's signature stamp
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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2009, 03:02:45 am »



The raised seal
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Blowup of text
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2009, 03:03:31 am »

You can click on the photos to get full-size versions, which haven't been edited in any way, except that some have been rotated 90 degrees for viewing purposes.

The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.

The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.

We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn't release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama's citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world." The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
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